Q's SHOOTING

[UCGRAD4X]

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2017/12/14/16777632/whats-up-with-quentin-goodins-shooting-percentage-xavier-basketball-i-love-q

I know it is his ball handling and distribution that will mainly determine Goodin's effectiveness as our PG and with scorers elsewhere on the team his PPG is not as important....at least not this year....

The stats seem to point out that his shooting is not terrible and his 3-pt attempts come to less than 1 a game, but it is his 90% from the line is what makes his less than stellar shooting not as problematic as it might seem.

[XU 87]

Note to Banners on the Parkway- I wish you would post your articles on this board. Good stuff.

[GIMMFD]

I think it's evident that Q has been a major piece of this offense, look at how much smoother the offense runs with him in, he knows he don't need him to score millions of points, he makes great decisions with the ball, and has been finishing better as of late. But I agree, 90% at the line for someone with his style of play is a recipe for success.

[American X]

His 3 point shots are only a foot off. Patience.

[GoMuskies]

I'm against it.

[Masterofreality]

Honest question.

Anybody want to give back Q for Kobi Simmons? I don’t.

There was a lot of flotsam and jetsam on this board after we gave up on Kobi and signed Q. I wasn’t. We have a PROGRAM that is based upon chemistry and continuation. Q fits this perfectly.

Meanwhile Simmons played 1 year at Arizona, left and is now in the Memphis D league org.

#InChrisMackITrust

[MuskieXU]

Honest question.

Anybody want to give back Q for Kobi Simmons? I don’t.

There was a lot of flotsam and jetsam on this board after we gave up on Kobi and signed Q. I wasn’t. We have a PROGRAM that is based upon chemistry and continuation. Q fits this perfectly.

Meanwhile Simmons played 1 year at Arizona, left and is now in the Memphis D league org.

#InChrisMackITrust

I feel really strongly that recruiting one and dones is a waste of time for this program for this reason. If we had landed Kobi Simmons we probably don’t make the Elite last year and we’re probably starting Scruggs at PG.

[xu82]

While both are ideal, I’d prefer a great FT shooter over a decent 3 point shooter in my PG. (That’s especially true for someone who attacks the rim the way he does.) It just kills me when we are trying to close out a game and we struggle from the line!

[letskeepitreal]

In spite of possible lackluster shooting, Q is doing a tremendous job distributing the ball and is doing fine taking care of the ball. We are not where we are if he wasn't doing this thing well. I actually think next year we will see more of Q and Scruggs simultaneously and think Q will score more in that scenario.

[markchal]

He's the perfect PG for this team. Can break down his man, collapse a D and kick it to Kaiser/Tre/JP. Decent defender (I remember him getting back on a few plays last year with some monster rejections), good handle, very athletic. I'll worry about next season in April.

[Smooth]

He doesn't need to suddenly start hitting threes, he just need to be able expand his range past the Jamel McLean zone (conveniently marked on the court with an arc). Make some from 15 feet while the clock is running.

[DexterBailey84]

all I know is that if there's a Senior version of Quentin Goodin that we're lucky enough to get to watch, we'll be watching the most dominant PG in the nation....bar none.

if he's here for all 4 years (you just never know) , he's gonna go down as one of the all-time greats here at X....guaranteed.

kid is smooth as silk and calm, cool and collected w/ the ball in his hands....in a way he kinda reminds me of a more stout Kenny Anderson from back in the day.....weird, I know.

[UCGRAD4X]

all I know is that if there's a Senior version of Quentin Goodin that we're lucky enough to get to watch, we'll be watching the most dominant PG in the nation....bar none.

if he's here for all 4 years (you just never know) , he's gonna go down as one of the all-time greats here at X....guaranteed.

kid is smooth as silk and calm, cool and collected w/ the ball in his hands....in a way he kinda reminds me of a more stout Kenny Anderson from back in the day.....weird, I know.

You mean Kenny Anderson from tiny Augustana?

[DexterBailey84]

You mean Kenny Anderson from tiny Augustana?

Kenny Anderson by way of Georgia Tech..

[mid major]

You mean Kenny Anderson from tiny Augustana?



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[American X]

He doesn't need to suddenly start hitting threes, he just need to be able expand his range past the Jamel McLean zone (conveniently marked on the court with an arc). Make some from 15 feet while the clock is running.

I would sell Snipe to ISIS for a Drew Lavendar teardrop.

[XU-PA]

I would sell Snipe to ISIS for a Drew Lavendar teardrop.

we would all sell snipe to ISIS for one spoonful of dippin dots

[drudy23]

While it would be great if he was like Kenny Anderson, because Kenny Anderson was a baller, Q is nothing like Kenny Anderson. That's not saying he's not good however.

Kenny Anderson averaged like 25 a game as a senior and shot ALOT.

[DexterBailey84]

nm

[DexterBailey84]

While it would be great if he was like Kenny Anderson, because Kenny Anderson was a baller, Q is nothing like Kenny Anderson. That's not saying he's not good however.

Kenny Anderson averaged like 25 a game as a senior and shot ALOT.

Yeah, I take it back

Lol

[bleedXblue]

all I know is that if there's a Senior version of Quentin Goodin that we're lucky enough to get to watch, we'll be watching the most dominant PG in the nation....bar none.

if he's here for all 4 years (you just never know) , he's gonna go down as one of the all-time greats here at X....guaranteed.

kid is smooth as silk and calm, cool and collected w/ the ball in his hands....in a way he kinda reminds me of a more stout Kenny Anderson from back in the day.....weird, I know.

ugghh...no offense but they are completely different players. Anderson was a lefty wasnt he? Very fast and slender.

[X Factor]

ugghh...no offense but they are completely different players. Anderson was a lefty wasnt he? Very fast and slender.

Yeah, Kenny Anderson was an all-american and had a long NBA career. He could score from anywhere on the court.

[X Factor]

Quentin is now 1-18 from 3 this year. His understudy, Scruggs, is 2-17, making our PG's a combined 3-35 from 3. That's good for 8.5%. That has to be the worst in the nation for any 2 PG's.

Teams are now not even worried about Q shooting. They are playing 5-6 feet off him on the perimeter. DePaul was doubling our bigs immediately on a post catch. That would be a perfect time to kick out back quickly to an open shooter. Teams don't have to worry about that from our PG's.

[GoMuskies]

Q is planning to sneak up on people with his shooting.

[xu82]

It’s part of the bigger plan. They won’t see it coming!

I hope these guys can bump it up next year the way the team did with FT shooting this year. Stay positive!

[bleedXblue]

I think Q will start to knock some down. It looks like he's really being encouraged to shoot more. I just don't like when he tosses one up from 3 so early in the shot clock when we clearly have better options.

[xu koop scoop]

Q is shooting 50& on 2 PT FG & around 90% on FT. He needs to knock down a few 3's to gain confidence there. It will come

[xuwin]

Quentin is now 1-18 from 3 this year. His understudy, Scruggs, is 2-17, making our PG's a combined 3-35 from 3. That's good for 8.5%. That has to be the worst in the nation for any 2 PG's.

Teams are now not even worried about Q shooting. They are playing 5-6 feet off him on the perimeter. DePaul was doubling our bigs immediately on a post catch. That would be a perfect time to kick out back quickly to an open shooter. Teams don't have to worry about that from our PG's.

His improvement in free throw shooting form would lead me to not give up hope yet with his outside shot. I would love to watch a practice to see how he does then. At the end of the game X was actually using JP at the point with Quentin underneath to give them a threat at the top of the key.

[bleedXblue]

His improvement in free throw shooting form would lead me to not give up hope yet with his outside shot. I would love to watch a practice to see how he does then. At the end of the game X was actually using JP at the point with Quentin underneath to give them a threat at the top of the key.

He will never be a good 3 pt shooter, but with some confidence and knocking a few down, I think he can make 30% of them which is respectable

[American X]

Teams are now not even worried about Q shooting. They are playing 5-6 feet off him on the perimeter.


Q is planning to sneak up on people with his shooting.


It’s part of the bigger plan. They won’t see it coming!

Just as Stephen Curry revolutionized professional basketball, Quentin Goodin is going to revolutionize college basketball...............by shooting three-pointers underhand.

[XUGRAD80]

His improvement in free throw shooting form would lead me to not give up hope yet with his outside shot. I would love to watch a practice to see how he does then. At the end of the game X was actually using JP at the point with Quentin underneath to give them a threat at the top of the key.

I will agree with the first part of this. I have a feeling that when he is shooting threes he is probably drifting to one side of the other. When he is shooting free throws he is set and balanced. Haven’t seen him shoot enough 3 pointers to verify. The second part, about using JP at the point was addressed by Mack in the post game. He saw that DePaul was using the man guarding Goodin to double the post. By putting Goodin on the other side of the court from the Big it allowed them to get some easy buckets at the basket for him, when his man ran to double the post.

[drudy23]

If we didn't have alot of weapons, Q's shooting would be a problem.

His poor shooting isn't losing us games; however, if he had a shot, he'd be REALLY hard to guard, which would make us even tougher to defend overall.

[SemajParlor]

Yeah, Kenny Anderson was an all-american and had a long NBA career. He could score from anywhere on the court.

And was also the creator of one of the most famous moves in CBB history aka "The Move"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr-2SofYkcU

[UCGRAD4X]

And was also the creator of one of the most famous moves in CBB history aka "The Move"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr-2SofYkcU

All this while Hurley practically had him in a bear hug. Either an 'and one' or a foul and no shot. Maybe the refs couldn't blow their whistle with their jaws agape.

[DexterBailey84]

KA also couldn't shoot a lick from outside......great scorer, great slasher, great passer..couldn't shoot for shit though.

[X Factor]

KA also couldn't shoot a lick from outside......great scorer, great slasher, great passer..couldn't shoot for shit though.

Huh? He was a career 37% shooter from three at Ga Tech. He played two years, and was 113-302 from three. He shot over 50% from the field as a freshman and 41% from 3. His numbers dipped a bit as a sophmore, 44% from the field and 35% from 3.

[DexterBailey84]

Huh? He was a career 37% shooter from three at Ga Tech. He played two years, and was 113-302 from three. He shot over 50% from the field as a freshman and 41% from 3. His numbers dipped a bit as a sophmore, 44% from the field and 35% from 3.

those numbers surprise me....I was living down in Athens GA the same time Kenny was at GT so I got to see quite a bit of him and don't remember him being a good shooter at all.....whatever though lol, all good either way .....30 years is a long time..

[xukeith]

Quentin is now 1-18 from 3 this year. His understudy, Scruggs, is 2-17, making our PG's a combined 3-35 from 3. That's good for 8.5%. That has to be the worst in the nation for any 2 PG's.

Teams are now not even worried about Q shooting. They are playing 5-6 feet off him on the perimeter. DePaul was doubling our bigs immediately on a post catch. That would be a perfect time to kick out back quickly to an open shooter. Teams don't have to worry about that from our PG's.

Proof X needs a shooting guard next year badly. Hope a rock solid transfer or a 5 star recruit.

[X Factor]

Proof X needs a shooting guard next year badly. Hope a rock solid transfer or a 5 star recruit.

That's the thing that worries me the most about next year. Right now, Kaiser is going to be our only proven three point shooter. Naji has shown he can knock down an open three, but I don't know if he's going to be a guy who shoots that many.

Elias Harden will be a sophmore, but we won't know anything about him until next year, because he probably won't get off the bench the rest of the year unless we run into some injuries, God forbid.

Keonte Kennedy will be a freshman next year, and he's known to be an excellent shooter at the HS level. However, he was lightly recruited and Elias Harden was higher ranked as a senior. Keonte is really skinny and I don't know if he'll be ready to play at this level as a freshman.

The transfer from Dartmouth has decent range and can make an open three, but again, he is really stepping up in the level of competition he's going to facing night in and night out. He's not what you would call a "pure" shooter though.

We're going to really struggle from beyond the arc next year.

[Muskeagle]

Am I wrong....or do I remember that Kennedy has decided NOT to come here next year? I thought he decided to go prep school for year...or something like that and is no longer committed to Xavier.

[bleedXblue]

That's the thing that worries me the most about next year. Right now, Kaiser is going to be our only proven three point shooter. Naji has shown he can knock down an open three, but I don't know if he's going to be a guy who shoots that many.

Elias Harden will be a sophmore, but we won't know anything about him until next year, because he probably won't get off the bench the rest of the year unless we run into some injuries, God forbid.

Keonte Kennedy will be a freshman next year, and he's known to be an excellent shooter at the HS level. However, he was lightly recruited and Elias Harden was higher ranked as a senior. Keonte is really skinny and I don't know if he'll be ready to play at this level as a freshman.

The transfer from Dartmouth has decent range and can make an open three, but again, he is really stepping up in the level of competition he's going to facing night in and night out. He's not what you would call a "pure" shooter though.

We're going to really struggle from beyond the arc next year.

Well you have Scruggs and Q who can get better......but agree this team needs another shooter badly for next year. Looks like the best option will be 5th year player.

[bleedXblue]

Am I wrong....or do I remember that Kennedy has decided NOT to come here next year? I thought he decided to go prep school for year...or something like that and is no longer committed to Xavier.

I've not heard that at all

[XUFan09]

Am I wrong....or do I remember that Kennedy has decided NOT to come here next year? I thought he decided to go prep school for year...or something like that and is no longer committed to Xavier.You are thinking of K. Jones after he was ruled ineligible this year.

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[xukeith]

True. K Jones did not get required grades and was declared ineligible so he is in prep school. Mack says he cannot say where he can commit to any school or X.

[XUMIOH12]

Well you have Scruggs and Q who can get better......but agree this team needs another shooter badly for next year. Looks like the best option will be 5th year player.

mostly because they can't really get any worse haha

[Cheesehead]

No issues with Kennedy that I am aware of

[XUFan09]

No issues with Kennedy that I am aware ofThere are absolutely none right now. Muskeagle just accidentally mixed up two players. It's an easy mistake to make, but hopefully we can squash unintentional rumors right here.

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[sweet6teen]

Will be interesting to see how Butler guards Goodin and Scruggs tonight. Is our offense less efficient over the last 5 games because everyone is now using the same scouting report? Body-up on Tre and don't guard Q or Paul from the outside. Hard to be efficient when you're playing 4 on 5. Mack alluded to it after the DePaul game and did use JP at the point on a few possessions. If that is in fact the "book" on X then I guess we'll continue to see it until we start to do something to offset it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Q has the most wide open 3 shot of the night and airballed it. He needs to pay JP and Brad Redford for some lessons soon. But I love the kid.

[xavierj]

Q needs to hit some three’s but Xavier is still scoring the ball efficiently. They had 86 tonight while missing 13 free throws. I think Xavier needs to learn to get some stops more than Q hitting three’s. Marquette, DePaul and Butler all scored way too easy at times and as good as Xavier rebounds, they are giving up too many 2nd shots.

[X Factor]

Q needs to hit some three’s but Xavier is still scoring the ball efficiently. They had 86 tonight while missing 13 free throws. I think Xavier needs to learn to get some stops more than Q hitting three’s. Marquette, DePaul and Butler all scored way too easy at times and as good as Xavier rebounds, they are giving up too many 2nd shots.

All true. If X is going to make a FF, they're going to HAVE to get better on defense.

[Muskeagle]

There are absolutely none right now. Muskeagle just accidentally mixed up two players. It's an easy mistake to make, but hopefully we can squash unintentional rumors right here.

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Good deal. Glad to be wrong.

[XUFan09]

Good deal. Glad to be wrong.Thanks for being a good sport. I didn't want to seem like I was a picking on you, just really didn't want that rumor mill to start off an understandable accident lol.

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[Muskeagle]

Thanks for being a good sport. I didn't want to seem like I was a picking on you, just really didn't want that rumor mill to start off an understandable accident lol.

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No worries. I don't believe it was a Jones mix-up...because the timing was different....unless I'm mixing up a late announcement of Jones' plans (well after it was clear he wasn't coming to X). Regardless, I don't want to be mixed up with any Fake News....so glad to be corrected here.

[XUFan09]

No worries. I don't believe it was a Jones mix-up...because the timing was different....unless I'm mixing up a late announcement of Jones' plans (well after it was clear he wasn't coming to X). Regardless, I don't want to be mixed up with any Fake News....so glad to be corrected here.It was weird but he actually did have a late announcement about opening up his recruitment again. It wasn't unexpected after he was found ineligible but still a bit disappointing.

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[stammina0721]

All true. If X is going to make a FF, they're going to HAVE to get better on defense.

The key in this regard is Kaiser Gates. Love his shot but the guy camps out at the 3 pt line way too much. He is 6'8". If he played lower more he could easily add 2 more defensive boards and one more offensive board a game. This could result in a total of 4 to 6 more pts a game which would make this team final four ready

[stammina0721]

mostly because they can't really get any worse haha

Hey our PG made three 3's this year. There is plenty of opportunity to get worse lol

[XMuskieFTW]

The key in this regard is Kaiser Gates. Love his shot but the guy camps out at the 3 pt line way too much. He is 6'8". If he played lower more he could easily add 2 more defensive boards and one more offensive board a game. This could result in a total of 4 to 6 more pts a game which would make this team final four ready

His biggest weapon is the 3 point shot. Why would you want to take him off the 3 point line when that's his expertise in this team? He picks his spots and drives on occasion, but I think people get too caught up in wanting him to add a dimension that really isn't necessary for this team. You put him under the basket and I could argue that you're taking 4 to 6 points away from him a game.

[XUFan09]

His biggest weapon is the 3 point shot. Why would you want to take him off the 3 point line when that's his expertise in this team? He picks his spots and drives on occasion, but I think people get too caught up in wanting him to add a dimension that really isn't necessary for this team. You put him under the basket and I could argue that you're taking 4 to 6 points away from him a game.Yup. The suggestion can be parsed down to, "Hey, why don't we clog up driving lanes in hopes of maybe one more offensive rebound per game?"

Also, I don't know how that change of offensive strategy would possibly affect defensive rebounds. Where Gates is on defense when a ball hits the rim is based on who he is guarding, and it's in Xavier's best interest for him to guard one of the best opposing players.

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[Xavier]

All true. If X is going to make a FF, they're going to HAVE to get better on defense.

Agreed. It is way easier to improve on D throughout the year than on offense and luckily at the moment the offense is so good it gives the D more time to improve while winning these games. But it has to get better.

[chico]

His biggest weapon is the 3 point shot. Why would you want to take him off the 3 point line when that's his expertise in this team? He picks his spots and drives on occasion, but I think people get too caught up in wanting him to add a dimension that really isn't necessary for this team. You put him under the basket and I could argue that you're taking 4 to 6 points away from him a game.

I agree. With him as a threat on the wing, it opens up the inside for Jones and O'Mara to do their thing. With another player posting up it clogs the lane. Having Gates on the wing also opens up more possibilities for Goodin and Scruggs to drive, which plays to their strength as well.

[Cheesehead]

Did everyone hear the collective groan when Q almost took a three last night? Poor guy but it did make me laugh out loud.

For the time being I can't say I disagree though. I hope he can add it to his game in the offseason but I also know Mack is not discouraging him from shooting it.

[bjf123]

Everyone around my seats was laughing about it too. I’m sure Q had to hear it.


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[UCGRAD4X]

The key in this regard is Kaiser Gates. Love his shot but the guy camps out at the 3 pt line way too much. He is 6'8". If he played lower more he could easily add 2 more defensive boards and one more offensive board a game. This could result in a total of 4 to 6 more pts a game which would make this team final four ready

And next year, with O'Mara and Kanter gone, we would probably like to have his presence inside (although we do have the transfer from Dartmouth coming in). The problem with that, however, is we will be losing a lot of outside shooting. Hopefully the inside game will work itself out so he can continue his outside shooting. We will need it more next year than this year. Even if they bring in another transfer (that can play right away) that is a shooter, it will still be more advantageous for him to keep working the three. It also might depend on if Q and/or Scruggs develop a dependable outside shot (a fan can hope can't he?). I think still, what he is doing is the best thing for the team, otherwise Mack would not have him doing it.

I guess you could say the same thing about Q's shooting. My guess is Mack thinks he will eventually come around to where he makes enough to draw some defender out.

Perhaps he wants him to shoot his way out of the slump (if it is really a slump - a year and a half slump.)

[XUFan09]

I think it's fair to say that Q is in a shooting slump relative to last year's shooting (and his high school days). He's not a good shooter, but he's definitely better than this season's performance.

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[Masterofreality]

And then there’s this- From Muskie Musings on Twitter:

Through 16 games as a Freshman:

Goodin: 15.8 minutes, 55.6% 2P%, 46.7% from the line, avg 1.9 assists, 1.4 TO, 1.4 Rbds, and 3.1 points per game

Scruggs: 16.2 minutes, 55.6% 2P%, 66.7% from the line, avg 1.8 assists, 1.6 TO, 1.9 Rbds, and 3.9 points per game

Nearly identical

Look. Q is shooting over 80% from the foul line now. Bad shooters don’t do that.
I remember CMack always saying before this year that Kaiser Gates was the best shooter on the team in practice. He didn’t show it in games though. Q will get it going soon from the field, and so will Paul.

When they do, the opposition had better look the hell out!

[American X]

His 3 point shots are only a foot off. Patience.


Q is planning to sneak up on people with his shooting.


It’s part of the bigger plan. They won’t see it coming!


Three Questions:

1) Who upgraded Quentin Goodin's software?

2) Why did it take so long?

3) Who had the Quentin Goodin hits three 3s prop bet?

[UCGRAD4X]

Three Questions:

1) Who upgraded Quentin Goodin's software?

2) Why did it take so long?

3) Who had the Quentin Goodin hits three 3s prop bet?

As to Q#3 - I don't know, but they got rich on a dollar bet...and they better be buying next time at Dana's.

[If they bet much more than a buck they could be buying Dana's - of course that's a whole nother kind of gamble :)]

[UCGRAD4X]

Oh yeah, more to the point of the thread. Cudos to Q and to the coaches for letting his shoot his way out of the slump. Not to be negative nancy here, but the truest question is, is he out of the slump for more than one game? The true test of a slump buster is yet to be told.

...not that he has to go 3/3 every game...

...4/4 or 5/5, even 6/6 might be nice...:perfect10:

[smileyy]

I wonder if someone fixed some mechanics in Q's jumper. I'm thinking there has to be more than luck to a guy who regularly misses the rim on 3's to hit 3/3 all of a sudden.

[muskiefan82]

It looked like the team worked the ball enough to set him up for solid, in the flow, set jump shots from 3. It worked. When he isn't trying to shake a guy to get a shot off or stopping and popping, he, apparently, can shoot pretty well.

[XMuskieFTW]

He shot 32% from 3 as a high school junior, 24% as a senior, and 25.5% as a freshman. He's never going to be a good 3 point shooter. At this point, I'd be happy with 30% from him.

[Olsingledigit]

He shot 32% from 3 as a high school junior, 24% as a senior, and 25.5% as a freshman. He's never going to be a good 3 point shooter. At this point, I'd be happy with 30% from him.

If he keeps getting shots as wide open as the ones last night his percentage might go up beyond 30%.

[xu82]

If he keeps getting shots as wide open as the ones last night his percentage might go up beyond 30%.

Yep, make them pay for leaving you unchallenged. Shoot in rhythm rather than “OH NO! I”M WIDE OPEN!” Don’t hesitate and panic. If he can bring them out, he can go right past them.

[GIMMFD]

Yep, make them pay for leaving you unchallenged. Shoot in rhythm rather than “OH NO! I”M WIDE OPEN!” Don’t hesitate and panic. If he can bring them out, he can go right past them.

Yup, if he can get his 3-pt percentage up to around 30% from the 20% that it is right now, there's no reason this team couldn't make it to San Antonio, it would bring a completely new dimension to our offense, and would honestly leave a lot of teams screwed in game planning.

[X Factor]

Loved seeing Q knock down some threes last night. That was huge.

[xuwin]

I wonder if someone fixed some mechanics in Q's jumper. I'm thinking there has to be more than luck to a guy who regularly misses the rim on 3's to hit 3/3 all of a sudden.

The thing that I noticed is that he took his time and didn't rush his shot.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Whatever Q did to cause the improvement, carry on man!

[XUFan09]

The thing that I noticed is that he took his time and didn't rush his shot.That was true before. Q has a methodical release off of catch-and-shoot threes. He just wasn't making them.

For the rest of the season, I bet Q shoots somewhere around 25% to 30%.

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[surfxu]

I asked coach this question last night at the coach's show... basically Q was able to get the fans out of their seats with his 3 3-pointers against Marquette and I believe made one against Seton Hall also... have you noticed anything different in his approach in practice or did something change mechanically" (or words to that effect). Coach said no... Q was really slowed down in the off season due to plantar fasciitis and really couldn't put up shots all summer. He was relegated to upper body training and that was about it. Coach is always happy to see a shot fall and especially for Q, but that being said, he doesn't want Q to become Brad Redford either. If teams are going to disrespect his shooting ability and he has an open shot that is "in rhythm" then that's fine, but if he can continue to make some open looks then it's really going to open up the middle for the bigs and make it that much more difficult to defend us.

[GIMMFD]

I asked coach this question last night at the coach's show... basically Q was able to get the fans out of their seats with his 3 3-pointers against Marquette and I believe made one against Seton Hall also... have you noticed anything different in his approach in practice or did something change mechanically" (or words to that effect). Coach said no... Q was really slowed down in the off season due to plantar fasciitis and really couldn't put up shots all summer. He was relegated to upper body training and that was about it. Coach is always happy to see a shot fall and especially for Q, but that being said, he doesn't want Q to become Brad Redford either. If teams are going to disrespect his shooting ability and he has an open shot that is "in rhythm" then that's fine, but if he can continue to make some open looks then it's really going to open up the middle for the bigs and make it that much more difficult to defend us.

I like Mack's response, I'm sure nobody here wants Q to be Redford, but hopefully this just sparks some confidence in his game and he can knock down at a little bit of a higher clip, getting to ~30% would be huge in terms for us going forward.

[xu82]

I asked coach this question last night at the coach's show... basically Q was able to get the fans out of their seats with his 3 3-pointers against Marquette and I believe made one against Seton Hall also... have you noticed anything different in his approach in practice or did something change mechanically" (or words to that effect). Coach said no... Q was really slowed down in the off season due to plantar fasciitis and really couldn't put up shots all summer. He was relegated to upper body training and that was about it. Coach is always happy to see a shot fall and especially for Q, but that being said, he doesn't want Q to become Brad Redford either. If teams are going to disrespect his shooting ability and he has an open shot that is "in rhythm" then that's fine, but if he can continue to make some open looks then it's really going to open up the middle for the bigs and make it that much more difficult to defend us.

For those who don’t know, plantar fasciitis can be a serious bitch! My wife and a few friends have struggled with it. It’s certainly NOT conducive to jacking up thousands of shots.

[smileyy]

Been a while since we talked about it in this thread. I think Q is over 50% since he started his shooting "streak"? Selective endpointing and all, but if he can hit even 35% of his 3's that changes X's offense so much by not allowing Q's man to sag or double down. I could see him shooting an even higher % if all he's doing is catch-and-shoot 3's. I don't think he'll ever be Tu Holloway and shooting off the bounce, but hey, you never know.

[Michigan Muskie]

I remember another player who struggled from behind the arc early in his Xavier career. And then he got better. And then he did this (http://www.warpathonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/by-raymond-face-webready.jpg).

[GenerationX]

I remember another player who struggled from behind the arc early in his Xavier career. And then he got better. And then he did this: (http://http://www.warpathonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/by-raymond-face-webready.jpg)

Link doesn’t work for me, Michigan, but is it possibly BJ?
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[Michigan Muskie]

Link doesn’t work for me, Michigan, but is it possibly BJ?
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Oops. I mucked that up initially but I think it's fixed now. And yes, BJ!

[GIMMFD]

I remember another player who struggled from behind the arc early in his Xavier career. And then he got better. And then he did this (http://www.warpathonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/by-raymond-face-webready.jpg).

Confidence goes a long way, now that he's seeing them fall in at a higher clip, it's going to give him the confidence to shoot a few more of them. Hopefully that translates to him scoring more of them.

[Michigan Muskie]

Confidence goes a long way, now that he's seeing them fall in at a higher clip, it's going to give him the confidence to shoot a few more of them. Hopefully that translates to him scoring more of them.

Without a doubt. And if Q and Scruggs continue to drop threes at a respectable rate, then we're looking at a whole new dynamic to what is already a very balanced (and deep) offense. It's not just their shooting, but it's what else comes into play because of their shooting. I'm just waiting for that game when Q, Scruggs, JP, Tre, Kaiser, Kanter and Marshall are ALL feeling their strokes. I hope that game happens on Feb. 17 and then again on April 2.

[Masterofreality]

Honest question.

Anybody want to give back Q for Kobi Simmons? I don’t.

There was a lot of flotsam and jetsam on this board after we gave up on Kobi and signed Q. I wasn’t. We have a PROGRAM that is based upon chemistry and continuation. Q fits this perfectly.

Meanwhile Simmons played 1 year at Arizona, left and is now in the Memphis D league org.

#InChrisMackITrust

Anybody change their minds? No? I sure don't.


Q is planning to sneak up on people with his shooting.

And yes.......Yes he is. #Winner

[xudash]

Anybody change their minds? No? I sure don't.



And yes.......Yes he is. #Winner

We absolutely got the best of that deal.

[X Factor]

I was down on Q earlier for his shooting, but he has really started to knock down some three's in conference play. In BE games, he's shooting 11-25 from three!

So glad we got him for another couple of years.

[bobbiemcgee]

@LanceMcAlister

Goodin last 5 games
22 of 40 (.550)
9 of 14 3PT (.643)
61 points (12.2)
18 assists
#Xavier

[Grizzx12]

All the excitement and discussion about the call at the end but major props to Q for actually staying cool and knocking them down!! Was a 1-1 if I remember correctly and the place seemed hostile after the whistle so those were no gimmes. Just ask UVA!!

Also, in Mack I trust!! The criticism on Q's three point shooting was justified after starting the year 3/26 but since then he's gone 9/14 and I have to respect Mack for not pulling the plug on shooting what was there.

[xu82]

Your PG NEEDS to be able to hit FT’s at a reliable rate. My game recording ended with 4.6 seconds left (yes, there was some foul language), but thanks to our wonderful community I caught the end.....and that was clutch stuff!

[xavierj]

Q said in the postgame that he credits Kaiser for helping him with his shot in practice.

[xu82]

Q said in the postgame that he credits Kaiser for helping him with his shot in practice.

That makes me like Kaiser even more! I spent some time with his parents in Orlando last March and they are awesome people.

[Grizzx12]

Your PG NEEDS to be able to hit FT’s at a reliable rate. My game recording ended with 4.6 seconds left (yes, there was some foul language), but thanks to our wonderful community I caught the end.....and that was clutch stuff!

I agree 100% on needing to be able to hit FTs which for years seems to have been a struggle. Still have nightmares about the whole Oden/Cage thing (please dont ban me for mentioning it) but this team's ability to be consistent from the line and close out games is a huge advantage come tourney time I'm not used to seeing. Unless Tyrique is in for some reason there is nobody who I would not feel confident in!

[markchal]

So easy to forget Q is a SOPHOMORE. He's been such a steady hand at PG and if he continues to shoot like this, very few teams will be able to beat us.

[XU-PA]

MARKCHAL,,,, you are right, Sophomore.

I'd love for one of our numbers happy friends here to put together a comparison on what Q has accomplished in his 2 seasons, to our previous PG's.
Lets see how he stacks up vs, Dee, Lionel and others.

When Q made his debut last season, and was then tossed to the wolves after Ed's injury, I thought we were looking at the onset of what could be the best point in program history, to me so far this year he has done nothing but bolster that.
Speed, agility, attitude, strength, and now the knowledge of the game.

[xuwin]

That makes me like Kaiser even more! I spent some time with his parents in Orlando last March and they are awesome people.

Now I'd like to see Kaiser get his shot back. He is sliding into obscurity.

[markchal]

Now I'd like to see Kaiser get his shot back. He is sliding into obscurity.

I think Kaiser is our X factor. When he's scoring, we are an extremely difficult team to beat. His shot will come back. Also seems to be losing some minutes to Marshall for defense, but hard to deny what he brings to the table.

[X-Fan]

It was clear to me early in the season and especially after the ASU loss that this team will go as far as their guards/young guns can take them. Q providing offense, Paul gaining confidence, and Naji emerging on both ends is HUGE for this team! No longer can teams sag on these guys, and their D has been phenomenal. Also, Q seems to really like playing in Omaha. lol

Keep it up Q! Go X!!!!

[Muskeagle]

I LOVE me some Q. I've defended him since last year that he'd be OK. I love the way the offense runs when he is on the floor. I'm happy to see his shot falling lately. He's going to be great here at X for 2+ more years. I really like the kid. Moreover, love the way he represents the school. Just check out the interview. Love this kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkP-wdvpLUA

[American X]

I am tired of this scrub in the #5 jersey taking shots away from the best shooter on the team.

[BandDad]

Here is a comparison of all the point guards in the last 20 years at XU (excluding Drew Lavender, who played his first two years Sooner rather than later). Q stacks up pretty well. Not scoring quite as much but I don't think most of the other teams had the scoring firepower that this year's team has had. He does have the highest assist to turnover ratio of any of the guards. And all of Q's numbers will likely improve between now and the end of the year.

Games Minutes Points Assists Turnovers A/TO Rebounds Steals FG% FT 3.0%
Lumpkin 57 27.2 13.0 3.7 1.9 1.9 2.8 1.0 42.6% 79.5% 40.2%
Chalmers 61 30.0 10.7 3.2 2.9 1.1 2.9 1.4 39.5% 69.7% 33.0%
Finn 69 31.4 8.1 3.9 2.1 1.9 2.1 1.4 41.3% 68.4% 40.4%
Holloway 68 26.9 9.0 3.1 2.0 1.6 2.2 1.0 38.0% 81.7% 32.4%
Lyons 64 28.6 10.8 2.7 2.3 1.2 2.8 1.0 40.2% 70.5% 33.9%
Davis, D. 64 19.5 5.5 2.1 1.6 1.3 1.4 0.7 37.6% 69.8% 34.4%
Christon 64 34.8 16.1 4.4 3.1 1.4 2.8 1.4 46.1% 67.0% 32.1%
Sumner 37 22.6 9.9 3.1 1.8 1.7 2.9 1.0 37.6% 71.5% 26.9%
Goodin 64 26.3 6.4 4.1 2.1 2.0 2.5 0.9 39.0% 68.9% 27.5%

[usfldan]

This may be easier to read:


Player Gms Mins Pts Asts TOs A/TO Rebs Sts FG% FT 3.0%
Lumpkin 57 27.2 13.0 3.7 1.9 1.9 2.8 1.0 42.6% 79.5% 40.2%
Chalmers 61 30.0 10.7 3.2 2.9 1.1 2.9 1.4 39.5% 69.7% 33.0%
Finn 69 31.4 8.1 3.9 2.1 1.9 2.1 1.4 41.3% 68.4% 40.4%
Holloway 68 26.9 9.0 3.1 2.0 1.6 2.2 1.0 38.0% 81.7% 32.4%
Lyons 64 28.6 10.8 2.7 2.3 1.2 2.8 1.0 40.2% 70.5% 33.9%
Davis, D.64 19.5 5.5 2.1 1.6 1.3 1.4 0.7 37.6% 69.8% 34.4%
Christon 64 34.8 16.1 4.4 3.1 1.4 2.8 1.4 46.1% 67.0% 32.1%
Sumner 37 22.6 9.9 3.1 1.8 1.7 2.9 1.0 37.6% 71.5% 26.9%
Goodin 64 26.3 6.4 4.1 2.1 2.0 2.5 0.9 39.0% 68.9% 27.5%

[GIMMFD]

Q said in the postgame that he credits Kaiser for helping him with his shot in practice.

What a guy, I could see them both being at Cintas late in the night in the aux gym getting shots up to be honest, they both have a good work horse mentality, and just put in effort to improve. Q has been incredible, by leaps and bounds the last few weeks, hopefully this continues to stay the course. Really impressed by his improvement in FT shooting too, just looks so comfortable at the line, and he's finishing better at the rim. Love it.

[slysyl]

I watch Q in pregame warm ups. He has improved through thru the year. He now has a big smile on his face while shooting threes.

[American X]

I am rather enjoying watching both of our point guards who cannot shoot a lick.

[Michigan Muskie]

Simply adding that extra scoring dimension to a team that was already deep and balanced offensively makes Xavier damn near impossible to defend. Opponents can only hope for a night when our jump shooters are misfiring. X legitimately has 9 guys who can score with regularity on any given night.

Nine guys?

Nine guys.

[IM4X]

Q is really feeling it- not just shooting it better from behind the arch, but he's finishing like a man at the rim. What a stud.

He and Naji and Scruggs have really taken their game to the next level and are gaining more and more confidence each game. They are playing with some serious swagger. A beautiful-beautiful thing to see as they are the future. We're gonna have some great leaders over the next couple of years.

It's even more special seeing them play the way they are at this point of the season... with the BE regular season title on the line and the BE and NCAA tournament coming up.

I love this team!!!!

[Grizzx12]

Q is really feeling it- not just shooting it better from behind the arch but he is finishing like a man at the rim. What a stud. He has really taken his game to the next level and (Naji and Scruggs) are gaining more and more confidence each game. They are playing with some serious swagger. A beautiful- beautiful thing to see as they are the future.

These guys are goong to be some great leaders over the next couple of years... and it is even more special seeing them feeling it at this point of the season... with the BE regular season title on the line and the BE and NCAA tournament coming up.

I love this team!!!!

You notice that once SHU pulled within 10 points under three minutes to go I know we had Naji and Scruggs in and I think Q as well all at the same time?

[IM4X]

I believe Goodin and Naji were in at that point but not Scruggs.

One thing for sure is that those three played very well yesterday and they make X much quicker on offense and defense.

[Masterofreality]

Simply adding that extra scoring dimension to a team that was already deep and balanced offensively makes Xavier damn near impossible to defend. Opponents can only hope for a night when our jump shooters are misfiring. X legitimately has 9 guys who can score with regularity on any given night.

Nine guys?

Nine guys.

The superb thing is that CMack is putting the 2 frosh on the floor for our best defensive team. The offense/defense subs at the end of games has been a secret reason why we've won the close ones. Not often that Freshman buy in to your defensive Philosphy so quickly.

Also, will we ever play a 1-3-1 again? (Thread hijack in process)

[GIMMFD]

The superb thing is that CMack is putting the 2 frosh on the floor for our best defensive team. The offense/defense subs at the end of games has been a secret reason why we've won the close ones. Not often that Freshman buy in to your defensive Philosphy so quickly.

Also, will we ever play a 1-3-1 again? (Thread hijack in process)

Naji and Scruggs get it done on the defensive end, and with those two playing like grown men, ala exactly what we expected pre-season out of them, Mack feels comfortable with them, and honestly, I feel comfortable with them too, we're winning close ones because everybody knows their role and how to contribute. I'm very pleased at the progression of these guys throughout the season.

As for the 1-3-1, who knows, maybe throw it in as a wrinkle in the tournament, but we haven't really needed it much. Seems like we get the stops when it matters without it.

[Lloyd Braun]

Quentin is now 1-18 from 3 this year.


Q is planning to sneak up on people with his shooting.

Imagine if he didn’t start 1-18. His shooting % might be worse!

[xu82]

Imagine if he didn’t start 1-18. His shooting % might be worse!

HUH??? Worse?

If Kaiser really helped him learn to shoot, that could be his biggest contribution of the year. And I LOVE Kaiser! You just can’t back all the way of Q anymore with impunity.

[American X]

Quentin Goodin is an emerged force. Go ahead and gameplan to shut down Bluiett and Macura.

[Xuperman]

Time to dust off this thread as it most certainly be a hot topic going forward. I get the feel that Q and Paul will eventually assume the traditional PG/SG dynamic. Paul has quietly impressed from distance at nearly 40%. KK has also shown some success in that area, so he makes a nice backup SG. Goodins 8 dimes last night is what we need from him. He is a sneaky good scorer if he concentrates on facilitating instead of forcing all those deep 3's. I fully expect him to settle in to running the show and notching a string of 7-10 assist games heading into BEast play. Guy is a stud!!

[bleedXblue]

Time to dust off this thread as it most certainly be a hot topic going forward. I get the feel that Q and Paul will eventually assume the traditional PG/SG dynamic. Paul has quietly impressed from distance at nearly 40%. KK has also shown some success in that area, so he makes a nice backup SG. Goodins 8 dimes last night is what we need from him. He is a sneaky good scorer if he concentrates on facilitating instead of forcing all those deep 3's. I fully expect him to settle in to running the show and notching a string of 7-10 assist games heading into BEast play. Guy is a stud!!

1-2 attempts a game from 3 is quite ok, particularly if they come in the flow of the offense or are needed at the end of the shot clock.

Q chucking them up early (in the first 5-10 second of the shot clock) is NOT what this team needs from him

[Xuperman]

Yeah, and I am sure no one has to tell him it's not helpful. He must be unconscious in practice or something because he is noticeably brimming with confidence from out there. He needs to start mixing in a little head fake and then drive the lane.......good things will happen!

[Xavier_Musketeers]

Anytime he drives he either scores, gets fouled, or kicks it out for an easy bucket. He needs to start doing that all of the time instead of trying to shoot threes when he has someone in his face

[Muskie]

Anytime he drives he either scores, gets fouled, or kicks it out for an easy bucket. He needs to start doing that all of the time instead of trying to shoot threes when he has someone in his face

Our offense runs so much better when the PG drives the lane dishes the ball out to the wing or to a wide open post player. It also tends to create foul trouble for the other team. I can't understand why they get away from it.

[GenerationX]

In my opinion, he won’t get those driving lanes if he doesn’t hit some occasional 3s. I think he does need to shoot them more in the flow of the offense, though.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He will get driving lanes as long as we have guys that are hitting threes. His ability to hit a three forces his defender to play tighter which makes it easier for him to use his speed to get around.

[noteggs]

He will get driving lanes as long as we have guys that are hitting threes. His ability to hit a three forces his defender to play tighter which makes it easier for him to use his speed to get around.

Nice post

[GenerationX]

... His ability to hit a three forces his defender to play tighter which makes it easier for him to use his speed to get around.

Which was my point.

[Xuperman]

I guess that 1-10 effort on Saturday made him sick.....Q missed practice Monday due to illness....:sick: