Cronin: Classless & please stay at uc forever

[xudash]

Anyone catch his post-game interview?

The YTG that keeps on giving.

He caught a case of JP.

LOVE IT. 😂

[Smails]

Oh do tell.....I missed it

[kane79]

Caught a few seconds on fs1 when I got home of Mack saying he wouldn’t comment on it but I’d love to hear what mick said

[GIMMFD]

Oh do tell.....I missed it

TL;DR: JP told Cronin to fuck off, Cronin gets upset and had to be separated and also said "do you want a fucking piece of me" as a 46 year old man.

EDIT: Apparently this is what happened: https://twitter.com/playorbplayd/status/937043347063046147

[UCGRAD4X]

TL;DR: JP told Cronin to fuck off, Cronin gets upset and had to be separated and also said "do you want a fucking piece of me" as a 46 year old man.

Classy Mick. Real classy.

[paulxu]

Classic little man syndrome.

[Smails]

TL;DR: JP told Cronin to fuck off, Cronin gets upset and had to be separated and also said "do you want a fucking piece of me" as a 46 year old man.

EDIT: Apparently this is what happened: https://twitter.com/playorbplayd/status/937043347063046147

WOW...and for better or worse Mick Cronin is the face of UC Athletics... I am so glad to not have to root for a guy like that.

[xavierj]

TL;DR: JP told Cronin to fuck off, Cronin gets upset and had to be separated and also said "do you want a fucking piece of me" as a 46 year old man.

It started when mick wouldn't shake JP's hand, told him to stop being a dick, then got offended when JP told him to fuck off. Then the elf wanted to fight him. Had to be restrained. Mick will come off in a positive light in the cincy media and JP will be admonished.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjmjtOnDyYs

[UCGRAD4X]

WOW...and for better or worse Mick Cronin is the face of UC Athletics... I am so glad to not have to root for a guy like that.

Sad thing is, most of the mouth breathers that do root for the team are all for this kind of behavior. Kind-of-an 'apple doesn't fall far from the tree' sort of thing.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/12/2/16728178/cincinnati-xavier-basketball-jp-macura-mick-cronin-chris-mack-eff-off

Mick gets the bum's rush

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

TL;DR: JP told Cronin to fuck off, Cronin gets upset and had to be separated and also said "do you want a fucking piece of me" as a 46 year old man.

EDIT: Apparently this is what happened: https://twitter.com/playorbplayd/status/937043347063046147

Mack also commented something on Cronin's technical. He said that a ref explained him why Cronin was given the T. It seems Cronin was yelling at Macura or the players. As I understood it, the matter was brewing as a result of Cronin's words during the game. Anyone that attended the game knows something about this?

[WCWIII]

It looked to me that this started when Cronin broke off from the handshake line with a dismissive hand gesture towards JP - gesture “I’m not shaking your hand”. Ok, JP probably responded ... But then to have YTG turn back and need to get into it.

[Juice]

The best part is that JP would have beaten the shit out of Mick. He has about 8 inches and 30 pounds on him? Little old Mick, always fighting battles he will never win.

[UCGRAD4X]

According to Broering:

"I'm told from a very good source that Mick Cronin said "You want a piece of me, mother fucker." And charged JP Macura in the handshake line."

Classless only begins to describe it.

Maybe psychotic, at least unstable.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I pity the UC players who have to put up with such a character as their coach.

[Juice]

https://twitter.com/musketeerreport/status/937039080134729728

C Weez on Mick: "He don't want no problems"

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

Here is a good summary of what is known so far.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/12/02/mick-cronin-tries-fight-j-p-macura-following-war-words/

[Juice]

Nick Van Exel making fun of Mick?


nick vanexel‏
@vanexel31
Put on ya big boy boots and stop crying. Man up. Smh

[Cheesehead]

JP should keep his mouth shut but a head coach who is close to 50 should also be able to handle himself with better restraint. 4-8, Micky

[XBR1]

JP should keep his mouth shut but a head coach who is close to 50 should also be able to handle himself with better restraint. 4-8, Micky

BS...mick was on him all game. I sat there and watched it from about ten feet away. He should be fired for pulling that bush league crap. When I watch mick I feel like I am watching my six year old. He is a terrible representative of the university.

[UCGRAD4X]

Nick Van Exel making fun of Mick?

Priceless! Tells you everything you need to know about YTG.

[Cheesehead]

True, but we all know JP is always running his mouth and we dismiss it as that's just JP being JP. I am honestly surprised no one hasn't taken his head off.

[drudy23]

Nick Van Exel making fun of Mick?

This is great.

[XBR1]

Players talk every game. Brooks was talking the whole time. There is no way a coach should get into it with a player. You are getting paid over $2m a year. Act like an adult and keep your mouth shut.

[xu82]

We handled the PR better this time. Replay on FS now.

[Straightshooter]

Is that 8 out of 11 over UC? Cronin is the gift that keeps on giving.

[xu82]

Is that 8 out of 11 over UC? Cronin is the gift that keeps on giving.

The W’s are great, but the entertainment value is priceless!

[Cheesehead]

Players talk every game. Brooks was talking the whole time. There is no way a coach should get into it with a player. You are getting paid over $2m a year. Act like an adult and keep your mouth shut.

Oh, I totally agree. My point was JP tends to stir things up. Having said that, Mack's response was perfect and he essentially called out Mick.

[MCXU]

Holy GD Shit. Chris Mack’s postgame. The way he stuck up for JP. I would follow that man into battle. That is how you lead young men. Point me to a wall so I can run through it. Full stop.

Edit: if they played this clip (Chris Mack sticking up for his men) before every game instead of the usual intro, we will never lose again. Ever. Seriously.

[xavierj]

True, but we all know JP is always running his mouth and we dismiss it as that's just JP being JP. I am honestly surprised no one hasn't taken his head off.

95% of basketball players run their mouths. 99% of coaches don't react to the college kid. Mick has to much little man syndrome in him that he lets it bother him. Can you imagine if every coach went after players who talk crap? This would happen all of the time. Grow up or move on.

[Grizzx12]

We handled the PR better this time. Replay on FS now.

Agree, I still see most sites are reporting the smurf's account before getting into the situation but I love how Mack handled it. Definitely handled better by Mack and X and that yellow toothed garden gnome can go pound sand.....or whatever they do.

[paulxu]

Mick has been there 11 years. Out of the first weekend 1 time.

Mack has 9 years, and 4S16's and an E8.

That's all you need to know.

[XUBison]

“But, but... He keeps calling me a midget!”

[GoMuskies]

Cronin is supposed to be an adult. Supposed to be.

[Xavier]

BS...mick was on him all game. I sat there and watched it from about ten feet away. He should be fired for pulling that bush league crap. When I watch mick I feel like I am watching my six year old. He is a terrible representative of the university.

Fired? Lol come on.

[GIMMFD]

Fired? Lol come on.

You're right, he should be fired for his god awful record.

[MauriceX]

I was telling my roommate (who went to UC) that normally there is some villain on UC's team that I don't like, and it is weird this year not having a player that I can't stand on their team. Then I realized that YTG is a big enough (note: not in stature) villain to make me despise that team for years.

[XBR1]

Fired? Lol come on.

Yes...going after a player on another team after a game deserves a pink slip. Any coach that picks a fight with an opposing player and calls him a dick should be fired.

[GoMuskies]

The dueling press conferences were awesome. Mick is such a prick.

[Juice]

The dueling press conferences were awesome. Mick is such a prick.

It's hilarious because I think he thought Mack was just going to let it all slide but Mack backed his guys and at the same made Mick look like a hypocrite, a liar, and a poor sport.?

Was it just me or did it look like Mick was about to cry during the press conference?

[bleedXblue]

This all looks really bad for little Mick. This is the same guy who was lauded for taking the high road after the fight. Yes, he was loved by local media and now........will the local media really step up and shame him for this the way they should?????

[OTRMUSKIE]

Players talk shit sure but players don’t need to,talk shit to an opposing coach. JP needs to STFU. Bic needs to be the bigger man for sure but if I am Mack I sit JP and tell him to never talk that way no matter what to another coach. I don’t give a fuck if Bic started it, be the bigger man. Instead we have two immature people acting like kids. I love JP, but he needs to get it under control. IMO with that said the much much much better school won again!!!

[XU 87]

My seats are behind the visitor bench. Cronin cries, whines and bitches about EVERYTHING from the start of the game until the end. He reminds of the crazy guy who sits behind you who has the mentality that every foul should be called against the other team, your own team should shoot 40 free throws per game, and the other team should shoot none.

I didn't see Macura say one word to Cronin. I suspect that Macura was talking some smack to some UC players, and vice versa, and Cronin, not being able to control himself, was pissed about that, and also pissed about losing by 20 all game, and inserted himself into the situation. And then he couldn't control himself when shaking hands at the end of the game.

I also think that to save his own hide after going after another team's player after the game, he had to make up this story about Macura f-bombing him during the game.

I think that this game is just too much for Cronin. He simply isn't mature enough to handle this intense of a game.

[bleedXblue]

Macura scored 7 points and had 3 rebounds

Maybe Mick should have been more focused on Tre?

[Backyard Champ]

Players talk shit sure but players don’t need to,talk shit to an opposing coach. JP needs to STFU. Bic needs to be the bigger man for sure but if I am Mack I sit JP and tell him to never talk that way no matter what to another coach. I don’t give a fuck if Bic started it, be the bigger man. Instead we have two immature people acting like kids. I love JP, but he needs to get it under control. IMO with that said the much much much better school won again!!!

I hope he did talk to Mick. He was able to get in the opposing coaches head. We got two FT's and a reset of the shot clock off of it. It was a blowout game, but usually every possession counts, getting an extra one and free throws is huge.

Having said that, I've not once seen him talk to an opposing coach like Jay Wright. The reality is, JP finds the mentally weakest person on the opposing team and goes at him. Just so happens Mick is that person for UC

[XU 87]

Players talk shit sure but players don’t need to,talk shit to an opposing coach. JP needs to STFU. Bic needs to be the bigger man for sure but if I am Mack I sit JP and tell him to never talk that way no matter what to another coach. I don’t give a fuck if Bic started it, be the bigger man. Instead we have two immature people acting like kids. I love JP, but he needs to get it under control. IMO with that said the much much much better school won again!!!

You're assuming that JP said things to Cronin during the game. See my post above. I think Cronin made all this up to save his own hide.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Do you really believe Bic said all this just to cover his ass? I mean sure anything is possible, see trump, but we know how JP is. All players talk shit I get it but I don’t want any player on my team telling another coach to,suck my dick. That’s just juvenile shit right there. I hope your right though but I just don’t see it.

[Juice]

Do you really believe Bic said all this just to cover his ass? I mean sure anything is possible, see trump, but we know how JP is. All players talk shit I get it but I don’t want any player on my team telling another coach to,suck my dick. That’s just juvenile shit right there. I hope your right though but I just don’t see it.

I think they were both talking shit but Mick simply left out the parts where he was involved and made it seem like it was all JP.

[American X]

Players talk shit sure but players don’t need to,talk shit to an opposing coach. JP needs to STFU. Bic needs to be the bigger man for sure but if I am Mack I sit JP and tell him to never talk that way no matter what to another coach. I don’t give a fuck if Bic started it, be the bigger man. Instead we have two immature people acting like kids. I love JP, but he needs to get it under control. IMO with that said the much much much better school won again!!!

https://theuniversalspectator.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/lighten-up.gif?w=560

[XU 87]

Do you really believe Bic said all this just to cover his ass? I mean sure anything is possible, see trump, but we know how JP is. All players talk shit I get it but I don’t want any player on my team telling another coach to,suck my dick. That’s just juvenile shit right there. I hope your right though but I just don’t see it.

I'm telling you what I saw, or in this case didn't see. Do you have evidence to say otherwise?

[XBR1]

Players talk shit sure but players donÂ’t need to,talk shit to an opposing coach. JP needs to STFU. Bic needs to be the bigger man for sure but if I am Mack I sit JP and tell him to never talk that way no matter what to another coach. I donÂ’t give a fuck if Bic started it, be the bigger man. Instead we have two immature people acting like kids. I love JP, but he needs to get it under control. IMO with that said the much much much better school won again!!!

Wow. So jp should be disciplined for a 46 year old opposing coach going after him?

[XBR1]

Do you really believe Bic said all this just to cover his ass? I mean sure anything is possible, see trump, but we know how JP is. All players talk shit I get it but I don’t want any player on my team telling another coach to,suck my dick. That’s just juvenile shit right there. I hope your right though but I just don’t see it.

He told him to suck his dick after he refused to shake his hand and told him 'too quit being a dick'

[bleedXblue]

I never thought that I would ever dislike a coach more than Bob Huggins. Well, thats changed forever. Cronin is a cry baby little bitch.

[BandAid]

I think they were both talking shit but Mick simply left out the parts where he was involved and made it seem like it was all JP.

Mick accused J.P. of telling him to “eff off,” which implies Mick was engaging him.

[XU-PA]

The best part, Coach Mack referring to the dispute between JP and Cronin "he said, she said"

[Juice]

This blog post had me rolling


Chris Mack Has Zero Control Of His Team And That’s A Problem http://www.cincinnativseveryone.com/chris-mack-crosstown-shootout-zero-control-team-thats-problem/ …

[Muskie]

This blog post had me rolling

Mack pulled JP off the floor early to avoid such a Scenario. Mick chose to take it to him in the handshake line.


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[murray87]

Wow, so not only is Cronin a physical midget but he's also a mental midget. Well done bitch. UC admin, please extend him for life.

[xukeith]

I never thought that I would ever dislike a coach more than Bob Huggins. Well, thats changed forever. Cronin is a cry baby little bitch.

Agree 100%
I NEVER thought I would dislike any coach more than Huggins.
But Cronin whines and complains ALL the time. It is so pathetic.
I truly believe he makes things up and is delusional.

[XUBison]

We know Mick got a T during the game...
We Know Mick wouldn’t shake JP’s hand...
We know Mick charged after JP after the game...
We don’t actually know JP said or did anything...
Suck my dick Mick!

[Smooth]

it's hilarious because i think he thought mack was just going to let it all slide but mack backed his guys and at the same made mick look like a hypocrite, a liar, and a poor sport.?

Was it just me or did it look like mick was about to cry during the game?

fify

[bjf123]

We know Mick got a T during the game...
We Know Mick wouldn’t shake JP’s hand...
We know Mick charged after JP after the game...
We don’t actually know JP said or did anything...
Suck my dick Mick!

It’s probably a save bet JP said something, at some point, that Cronin didn’t like. The difference? JP’s a college kid. Cronin’s an adult who should know better and be able to take it.


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[X Factor]

https://twitter.com/Always_Joshin/status/937061753254539265

Mick yelling at his players in a huddle, "I don't take shi* from punk ass mother f@ckers!"

I'm not an expert lip reader, but that is clear as day on that clip. What a total embarrassment.

[Juice]

It’s probably a save bet JP said something, at some point, that Cronin didn’t like. The difference? JP’s a college kid. Cronin’s an adult who should know better and be able to take it.


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The other difference? JP never tried to make it physical. Mick did.

[STL_XUfan]

I don’t want any player on my team telling another coach to,suck my dick.
In this era of sexual assault, we should applaud JP for asking for affirmative consent.

[XUBison]

It’s probably a save bet JP said something, at some point, that Cronin didn’t like. The difference? JP’s a college kid. Cronin’s an adult who should know better and be able to take it.


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The other difference? JP never tried to make it physical. Mick did.

Agree with all of this. Whatever JP said is irrelevant, at least as it pertains to Mick. Mick’s behavior is reprehensible on so many levels. The more I let this simmer, the more I think Mick should be fired. I know that won’t happen, but he should be accountable for this.

[xdude]

In this era of sexual assault, we should applaud JP for asking for affirmative consent.

Now that's funny!

[drudy23]

https://twitter.com/Always_Joshin/status/937061753254539265

Mick yelling at his players in a huddle, "I don't take shi* from punk ass mother f@ckers!"

I'm not an expert lip reader, but that is clear as day on that clip. What a total embarrassment.

Good god...what a weasally little gnome. His players have to hate him too.

[Grizzx12]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Cronin_(basketball)

[X-band '01]

Michael Walter "Mick" Cronin (born July 17, 1971[2]) is the current Crybaby head coach of the Cincinnati Bearcats basketball team. He also threatens to fight opposing team's players and is well known for his short comings (pun intended).


In 2017, Cronin believed UC would have an outstanding year by combining some strong veterans with a top-10 recruiting class. On December 2nd, 11th ranked UC struggled and lost against a Xavier squad ranked 21st. After the game, Cronin proceeded to pick a fight with 22-year old JP Macura. Cronin explained later that JP had stolen his lucky charms.

Just a few quotables until Wikipedia does repairs.

[X-ceptional]

Just a few quotables until Wikipedia does repairs.

Short comings, eh? I guess he learned something from his time "under" Pitino.

[surfxu]

YTG is an absolute piece of shit! I'm so glad he is uc's coach. OMG sign him to a life time contract at that shity university! What a disputable represtative for an institution.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I know I am late to the party and this exact situation I am sure has been discussed but I havent read all the posts yet. I have been posting this all over FB and wanted to post here as well because I saw the whole thing play out and it keeps replaying in my head like slow motion.

I watched Mick going through the handshake line after the buzzer, he was shaking all the XU players hands. He then gets towards the end of the line where Scruggs is entering to get in line but facing the crowd point up to someone before fully turning around entering the line to shake hands. Cronin at that point decides he isnt waiting a millisecond and skips Scruggs and the remaining 3-4 other XU players at the end of the line which included JP. When he skips them and is walking towards the tunnel JP says something and Mick furiously turns around and aggressively moves towards and berates JP. He then has to be ESCORTED out like a child by two adults, one being one of the refs.

Then his BS postgame comments because of course he has to deflect and change the narrative from another L against XU to something else, what he is best at. The CBS article about this also references from a source that Mick was speaking profanely towards Macura throughout the game. Seems like this is what he got his T for, Mack seemed to suggest this as well.

YTG is the opposite of class, he is a terrible representation of his school on the sidelines. The ultimate little man tough guy routine. The faces, the whining, the cussing, the berating etc. For that guy to criticize any player or coach on another team is an absolute joke.

F Mick Cronin.

[nuts4xu]

I watched the incident at the end of the first half a couple times on TV, and the only person yelling was Cronin. JP fouled the UC player, but I didn’t see either players say anything. I’m assuming whatever the players said to get T’s was off camera. Still not sure what Cronin was upset about, maybe the fact his team was getting run out of the gym??

[STL_XUfan]

I watched the incident at the end of the first half a couple times on TV, and the only person yelling was Cronin. JP fouled the UC player, but I didn’t see either players say anything. I’m assuming whatever the players said to get T’s was off camera. Still not sure what Cronin was upset about, maybe the fact his team was getting run out of the gym??

It was also a terrible time to get a T. UC had just blocked the shot and we had 2 seconds on the shot clock. Mick's genius coaching turned a likely turnover into points for X.

[bjf123]

I’m waiting for someone in our avoid tough question local media, so it won’t happen, to ask Mick about the CBS Sports report that he was jawing at JP the whole game. If JP started it, Mick, as a head coach, should have ignored JP. Just my opinion, but coaches should never be talking to the other team’s players. The most a coach should do is point it out to the ref so the ref can tell the player to shut up.

If Mick started it, shame on him. You’re an adult who should know better.


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[paulxu]

Mick


You’re an adult who should know better.

One of these things is not like the other.

[GIMMFD]

In this era of sexual assault, we should applaud JP for asking for affirmative consent.

Amazing

[cutterX]

Everything D West & Po Z said in earlier post is exactly how I saw it happen. I was also at game behind X bench and watched Cronin practically sprint thru the handshake line and then ignore last few players. Then he sprinted back when someone obviously said something. He’s a whiny little bitch and an embarrassment to UC.

[bleedXblue]

I just watched the last 8 minutes of the game very closely. I saw no interaction at all b/w YTG and Macura. Someone help me here and point out to me where the trash talking occurred during the game. Of course some of this can happen off camera, but the more I think about this the more I think Cronin is really embellishing this whole thing to take the focus off the real story........X handily beating UC.

[xu82]

I think the little fella was just butt hurt and dealt with it like a child. Not much more to it.

[mid major]

I just watched the last 8 minutes of the game very closely. I saw no interaction at all b/w YTG and Macura. Someone help me here and point out to me where the trash talking occurred during the game. Of course some of this can happen off camera, but the more I think about this the more I think Cronin is really embellishing this whole thing to take the focus off the real story........X handily beating UC.

You need to look at the last couple of minutes of the first half when JP's shot was blocked with 2 seconds left on the clock. He is down on the floor and not saying anything and Cronin is going crazy and gets tee'd up. I think by then Cronin had already had enough and was blowing steam. The ref closest to the scorer's table is the one who tee'd him up and not the one who was closest to Cronin.

[pokin]

You need to look at the last couple of minutes of the first half when JP's shot was blocked with 2 seconds left on the clock. He is down on the floor and not saying anything and Cronin is going crazy and gets tee'd up. I think by then Cronin had already had enough and was blowing steam. The ref closest to the scorer's table is the one who tee'd him up and not the one who was closest to Cronin.

Yep. And even before that, with about 3:00 left in the first half, Tre misses a 3 pointer and JP is standing right next to Cronin. It doesn't look like JP does anything at all but right after Cronin goes to the ref but then gets distracted by us getting the rebound. The beautiful part is JP then hits a 3 seconds later and Cronin starts screaming at the ref and pointing at JP. I watched the first half today and saw absolutely nothing before that point that could have led to any of this.

[UCGRAD4X]

You need to look at the last couple of minutes of the first half when JP's shot was blocked with 2 seconds left on the clock. He is down on the floor and not saying anything and Cronin is going crazy and gets tee'd up. I think by then Cronin had already had enough and was blowing steam. The ref closest to the scorer's table is the one who tee'd him up and not the one who was closest to Cronin.

Does this sound perhaps as if lil' Mick was taunting? If so, he is more of a d-bag than ever....and that's a lot!

[XU 87]

I just watched the last 8 minutes of the game very closely. I saw no interaction at all b/w YTG and Macura. Someone help me here and point out to me where the trash talking occurred during the game. Of course some of this can happen off camera, but the more I think about this the more I think Cronin is really embellishing this whole thing to take the focus off the real story........X handily beating UC.

I think he had to "embellish" because he needed some excuse for what looked like him trying to fight an opposing player after the game.

[vee4xu]

Losing so much is a bitch, and apparently, so is Mick Cronin.

[Juice]

I think he had to "embellish" because he needed some excuse for what looked like him trying to fight an opposing player after the game.

My thoughts exactly. It's easy to blame JP because of his reputation so he know that some people (his stupid fan base and Paul Daugherty) would believe it.

[mohr5150]

If you see his interaction with the ref after the T, it seems as if he says JP said something when the previous time out was called. There was some interaction between JP and a IF player, but nothing major. The camera cut to Cronin yelling at his player but it didn't seem to be about JP. I just chalk it up to being one of the worst sore losers in the history of coaching.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think he had to "embellish" because he needed some excuse for what looked like him trying to fight an opposing player after the game.

Exactly.

Sad part is even if his explanation was true still doesnt warrant a head coach going after a player on the other team. Mick doesnt understand that apparently. I know a UC fan who swears to me Mick is a stand up guy and will apologize but I wont old my breath. Remember "where I (Mick) come from there's nothing to talk about."

What a joke.

[Masterofreality]

Sooo,the only bad thing about beating Cincinnati yesterday is that they aren’t even a Top 100 RPI Team now.(103 currently)It’s is one of Xavier’s worst RPI games that isn’t really helping the SOS. I hope UC actually beats somebody good, but X playing this game yearly is an anvil

[Masterofreality]

By the way..and this is significant..The refs in the Xavier/UC game yesterday were Shows, Ayers & Simpson. No rookies & Final 4 quality. Both Shows & Ayers have reffed National Championship games. KenPom rates Ayers as THE BEST ref. & still Cronin bitches & gets T-ed #Troll ⚔️

[D-West & PO-Z]

I can honestly say I have a hard time deciding who I dislike more, Thuggins or Mick.

[GoMuskies]

I can honestly say I have a hard time deciding who I dislike more, Thuggins or Mick.

I think it's pretty easy. I'd love to sit in a bar, feed Huggs liquor and see what stupid ass thing he'd say or do. On the other hand, I can't imagine wanting to spend 5 seconds with Mick.

[GoMuskies]

I hope UC actually beats somebody good, but X playing this game yearly is an anvil

That's solid trolling for some other board, but you're among friends here. Like you, we all know UC is going to end up with a high RPI and be one of our best wins of the season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think it's pretty easy. I'd love to sit in a bar, feed Huggs liquor and see what stupid ass thing he'd say or do. On the other hand, I can't imagine wanting to spend 5 seconds with Mick.

True. And as much as I despise Huggins at least he deserves some respect as purely a bball coach.

If Mick focused as much on winning in the NCAA tourney as he does creating new narratives after each Crosstown Shootout loss he might have more than one one appearance in the second weekend.

[bjf123]

And now Lance Stephenson has claimed that he never dropped N bombs at Mack. If I have to pick one to believe, Chris gets my vote.


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[Lloyd Braun]

And now Lance Stephenson has claimed that he never dropped N bombs at Mack. If I have to pick one to believe, Chris gets my vote.

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"You know, heat of the moment, having fun, I probably said a couple things. I’m the type of player who tries to get under guys’ (skin), tries to get everyone frustrated, so I might have said (something), I don’t know. But I don’t think I called him that. I probably said something else negative, but I definitely didn’t call him that."

He doesn’t think he called him that. Wait!... he definitely didn’t call him that. Yea Lance seems real convincing!

Story (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/12/03/lance-stephenson-denies-calling-xavier-coach-chris-mack-n-word-while-attending-cincinnati/917789001/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

[murray87]

Was this Little Mick's Woody Hayes moment?

[Juice]

And now Lance Stephenson has claimed that he never dropped N bombs at Mack. If I have to pick one to believe, Chris gets my vote.


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Mack > the guy with a sexual assault and domestic violence charges on his record

[Straightshooter]

Its a coaching mismatch and its quite obvious. Mick is acting out in what he feels is self defense in preservation of his lofty perception of his job and of himself. No doubt in my mind he would like to sabotage the rivalry. The yearly reminder of whose best has his blood boiling.

[drudy23]

And now Lance Stephenson has claimed that he never dropped N bombs at Mack. If I have to pick one to believe, Chris gets my vote.


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LOL...I can only imagine what comes out of the mouth of Lance Stephenson.

[bleedXblue]

I challenge anyone to find me anywhere in the televised replay of the game a situation where JP was mouthing off to Cronin. Especially the point where they T'd Mick up. JP was on the ground under the basket. I watched the last 8 minutes of the game as well, VERY CLOSELY and saw nothing that would have upset Cronin to make him charge at JP. Either JP is a ventriloquist and Cronin has bionic ears or he's simply just making this stuff up. Please someone prove me wrong.

[X-man]

And now Lance Stephenson has claimed that he never dropped N bombs at Mack. If I have to pick one to believe, Chris gets my vote.


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The local fishwrap's alleged Xavier beat-writer really pissed me off today by saying that Stephenson's denial of Mack's claims raised "red flags" for him. He finished his piece by saying he wanted to get to the bottom of the story to see who was telling the truth. Here is the direct quote:

"Red flags fluttered for me when Chris Mack alleged that former Bearcat Lance Stephenson said a racial slur at Mack. Stephenson has since disputed he called Mack the "n-word" in the 2009-10 edition of the Shootout, according to the Indy Star.

I'm sad for everyone involved in this aspect of Saturday's fallout, and about all the relevant aspects of it. I'm hopeful those involved will quickly seek to resolve the years-old matter. Like the big fight of years ago, none of this has any place in the Shootout, or sport anywhere for that matter."

What crap.

[bjf123]

The local fishwrap's alleged Xavier beat-writer really pissed me off today by saying that Stephenson's denial of Mack's claims raised "red flags" for him. He finished his piece by saying he wanted to get to the bottom of the story to see who was telling the truth. Here is the direct quote:

"Red flags fluttered for me when Chris Mack alleged that former Bearcat Lance Stephenson said a racial slur at Mack. Stephenson has since disputed he called Mack the "n-word" in the 2009-10 edition of the Shootout, according to the Indy Star.

I'm sad for everyone involved in this aspect of Saturday's fallout, and about all the relevant aspects of it. I'm hopeful those involved will quickly seek to resolve the years-old matter. Like the big fight of years ago, none of this has any place in the Shootout, or sport anywhere for that matter."

What crap.
Yep. You knew someone was going to contact Stephenson for a comment. What did you expect him to say? "I remember it well. I absolutely called Mack a N***** three times and told him to F*** off." Give me a break!

[MuskieXU]

A few things. JP did tell Mick to F Off. Mick was complaining to the refs about Macura talking the entire first half, and eventually Mick said something to JP and JP told him to F off.

As for Mick saying Macura wouldn’t play for him. Mick has had so many opportunities throughout his career to take a stance and has failed every single time. He recruited Lance who was convicted of sexual assault when no other program in the country would take him. A year later, Yancy sucker punched Frease and Mbodj stomped him when he was down and they were suspended 6 games, only one of which was meaningful. And then Ellis was kicked off the team for punching a bouncer until Mick realized he needed him and he was let back on. Mick has proven time and time again he puts winning above morals so that statement is absolutely outrageous.

[bleedXblue]

The local fishwrap's alleged Xavier beat-writer really pissed me off today by saying that Stephenson's denial of Mack's claims raised "red flags" for him. He finished his piece by saying he wanted to get to the bottom of the story to see who was telling the truth. Here is the direct quote:

"Red flags fluttered for me when Chris Mack alleged that former Bearcat Lance Stephenson said a racial slur at Mack. Stephenson has since disputed he called Mack the "n-word" in the 2009-10 edition of the Shootout, according to the Indy Star.

I'm sad for everyone involved in this aspect of Saturday's fallout, and about all the relevant aspects of it. I'm hopeful those involved will quickly seek to resolve the years-old matter. Like the big fight of years ago, none of this has any place in the Shootout, or sport anywhere for that matter."

What crap.

Agree that's its gotten pretty ridiculous. But what did you expect Mack to do after Cronin did what he did and then made comments in his press conference prior to Mack going on? I like the fact that Mack called bullshit.

If these guys are "friends", wouldn't the logical way to handle this would be after the game via a phone call?

You see when Mick charged at JP, he was already way too far in and had to "explain" why he did what he did.

I'm sorry, but if this is Mack and the situation is reversed, I'm embarrassed and ashamed for my coach. Completely unprofessional on Cronins part. And all of this b/c he claims he got told to "f" off? Please, this is almost funny it is so damn lame on his part.

[bleedXblue]

A few things. JP did tell Mick to F Off. Mick was complaining to the refs about Macura talking the entire first half, and eventually Mick said something to JP and JP told him to F off.

As for Mick saying Macura wouldn’t play for him. Mick has had so many opportunities throughout his career to take a stance and has failed every single time. He recruited Lance who was convicted of sexual assault when no other program in the country would take him. A year later, Yancy sucker punched Frease and Mbodj stomped him when he was down and they were suspended 6 games, only one of which was meaningful. And then Ellis was kicked off the team for punching a bouncer until Mick realized he needed him and he was let back on. Mick has proven time and time again he puts winning above morals so that statement is absolutely outrageous.

where and when did this happen in the game? Honestly, I really want to know.

[MuskieXU]

It happened maybe the possession or two before Mick got T’d up. I was sitting behind UCs bench and we all saw it but they didn’t catch it on tv. But if you watch the replay of Mick getting T’d up that’s exactly what he’s complaining about and it did happen.

[paulxu]

It probably would have been better if Mack had just said "in 2009 a UC player cursed at me numerous times during the game. Did I charge after him in the handshake line? No, I did what any good coach would do...I shook his hand."

Would have kept Stephenson out of the conversation and would have slammed Mick for being a bad coach.

That said, Mick's turning back to charge our players, being restrained by a ref and assistant coach, speaks for itself.
And it speaks about a coach that has no control...and no class.

[XU 87]

My last thought on this issue (I hope). Why do these things always seems to happen when XU wins? The fight happened in an XU win. Both handshake issues happened after an XU win. Cronin walked off the court two years ago without shaking hands with anyone other than Mack. Can't UC/Cronin just lose gracefully?

The answer I'm afraid is "No".

[bleedXblue]

It happened maybe the possession or two before Mick got T’d up. I was sitting behind UCs bench and we all saw it but they didn’t catch it on tv. But if you watch the replay of Mick getting T’d up that’s exactly what he’s complaining about and it did happen.

So to put this in proper context, JP "mouthed" this to Cronin? Was he standing right next to him? No ref saw or heard this?

[X-man]

My last thought on this issue (I hope). Why do these things always seems to happen when XU wins? The fight happened in an XU win. Both handshake issues happened after an XU win. Cronin walked off the court two years ago without shaking hands with anyone other than Mack. Can't UC/Cronin just lose gracefully?

The answer I'm afraid is "No".
And of course this pattern of issues coming up only after uc losses predates the YTG. Remember doesn't beat X very often, and it must kill him.

[XU 87]

And of course this pattern of issues coming up only after uc losses predates the YTG. Remember doesn't beat X very often, and it must kill him.

Yes, that's one of the two "handshake issues" I was referring to.

The media didn't make an issue of Cronin walking off the court two years ago without shaking hands with anyone other than Mack. Maybe I should have said "three handshake issues".

That all being said, X pretty much dominated a good UC team. End of story.

[Masterofreality]

That's solid trolling for some other board, but you're among friends here. Like you, we all know UC is going to end up with a high RPI and be one of our best wins of the season.

Oh, don’t worry. I put that ALL OVER Twitter. :laugh:

[UCGRAD4X]

The local fishwrap's alleged Xavier beat-writer really pissed me off today by saying that Stephenson's denial of Mack's claims raised "red flags" for him. He finished his piece by saying he wanted to get to the bottom of the story to see who was telling the truth. Here is the direct quote:

"Red flags fluttered for me when Chris Mack alleged that former Bearcat Lance Stephenson said a racial slur at Mack. Stephenson has since disputed he called Mack the "n-word" in the 2009-10 edition of the Shootout, according to the Indy Star.

I'm sad for everyone involved in this aspect of Saturday's fallout, and about all the relevant aspects of it. I'm hopeful those involved will quickly seek to resolve the years-old matter. Like the big fight of years ago, none of this has any place in the Shootout, or sport anywhere for that matter."

What crap.

And you notice, of course, Mick's credibility is not questioned here. The coach who went after a player because he said some bad words (stick and stones?), the coach who acted like a complete tool, a coach, who on several occasions allowed players with questionable character - who have done far worse - to remain on the team, THAT coach is beyond reproach here.

[STL_XUfan]

Yep. You knew someone was going to contact Stephenson for a comment. What did you expect him to say? "I remember it well. I absolutely called Mack a N***** three times and told him to F*** off." Give me a break!
Well here is one account that supports Mack's story:

https://twitter.com/RickBroering/status/937055723636379648


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As a follow up to Mack's story about Lance Stephenson, I was sitting on the floor taking pics for @BSnowScout (https://twitter.com/BSnowScout) that game. It absolutely happened and it was hysterical. When Mack told the official, the response was priceless.

[Muskie in dayton]

So to put this in proper context, JP "mouthed" this to Cronin? Was he standing right next to him? No ref saw or heard this?

I hope JP did. In fact I wish he screamed it an inch from Mick's face, then turned around and mooned him. And not just a butt-out moon, I'm talking a cheeks spread far enough so Mick could see what he had at the pre-game breakfast moon.

In college basketball, just like the rest of the world, respect is earned, not given. Mick has earned zero respect. If Mick is going to go talking crap to the other team's players, he deserves to be told to F-off.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm sorry, but if this is Mack and the situation is reversed, I'm embarrassed and ashamed for my coach. Completely unprofessional on Cronins part. And all of this b/c he claims he got told to "f" off? Please, this is almost funny it is so damn lame on his part.

Unfortunately, and I know this from experience, far too many of the crosstown Darwin Award winners also support and encourage this kind of behavior from their coach. I'm sure they applaud and even feel a sense of pride in the YTG, and also use the incident as an excuse for the loss. Which, as has been mentioned, is why these sorts of exchanges (or non-exchanges as the case may be) only happen when UC gets their asses handed to them.

[paulxu]

When Mack told the official, the response was priceless.

What was the official's priceless response?

[xudash]

It probably would have been better if Mack had just said "in 2009 a UC player cursed at me numerous times during the game. Did I charge after him in the handshake line? No, I did what any good coach would do...I shook his hand."

Would have kept Stephenson out of the conversation and would have slammed Mick for being a bad coach.

That said, Mick's turning back to charge our players, being restrained by a ref and assistant coach, speaks for itself.
And it speaks about a coach that has no control...and no class.

That is exactly how it should have been handled.

The reality of it is that our coach is a fierce competitor who once again had to deal with a volatile city game and a complete idiot on the opposing bench.

I don't fault him at all for going all-in to make YTG look totally stupid.

Finally, I take great joy in two things as I sit here typing this:

1. The victory: we won this game yet again - and convincingly; and

2. YTG's disposition this morning: I doubt it has changed much since about 2PM on Saturday.

Go X!

[UCGRAD4X]

What was the official's priceless response?

I am curious about this as well, but my mental imagine (emphasis on the 'mental') of anyone calling Chris Mack, probably the whitest person in the house a ni***r, probably had the ref quite amused.

I once had a female neighbor of mine, in a rage, tell me, and I quote, "Suck my dick!" She turned out to be a dyke so maybe it was the strap-on kind.

[X-man]

Well here is one account that supports Mack's story:

https://twitter.com/RickBroering/status/937055723636379648


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As a follow up to Mack's story about Lance Stephenson, I was sitting on the floor taking pics for @BSnowScout (https://twitter.com/BSnowScout) that game. It absolutely happened and it was hysterical. When Mack told the official, the response was priceless.



Someone needs to get this to the Enquirer since the "Xavier beat-writer" is so concerned about getting to the bottom of the story. This should ease all that pain.

[xucub]

Mick Cronin is the poster child for uc athletics. I want to be big, i want to play with the big boys, i get paid like i was one of the big boys, i get an arena like one of the big boys - but i am simply not one of the big boys.

And where is the administration of uc in this? Is an apology not forthcoming? Probably not, even though it would be the right thing to do. To apologize would be to admit you have a problem. They simply want to sweep it under the rug.

Think i will again write my congressman, expressing my disgust that my tax dollars go to that institution.

[SM#24]

I think we should stop pleading for UC to do something about anything. One of the best things Xavier basketball has going for it right now is that Mick Cronin is the UC coach.

[drudy23]

I think we should stop pleading for UC to do something about anything. One of the best things Xavier basketball has going for it right now is that Mick Cronin is the UC coach.

Completely agree...this stuff is gold. Let him continue to bury himself. It also makes it so much more fun to hate them.

[UCGRAD4X]

Completely agree...this stuff is gold. Let him continue to bury himself. It also makes it so much more fun to hate them.

The problem is, these incidents never leaves a scratch on "wanna-be-a-big-boy-now" (picturing him in the Frisch's Big Boy overalls). Remember the 'brawl' aftermath where the Teflon imp came out smelling like a rose? I suspect this will be more of the same. We shall see as the narrative plays out.

[bpo]

The problem is, these incidents never leaves a scratch on "wanna-be-a-big-boy-now" (picturing him in the Frisch's Big Boy overalls). Remember the 'brawl' aftermath where the Teflon imp came out smelling like a rose? I suspect this will be more of the same. We shall see as the narrative plays out.

I think this one actually hangs with Cronin if he ever is to test the coaching waters outside of clifton again. Programs will put this under the spot light - its not a good look, especially with some national guys speaking out against it. Locally - it will get no run - it's the nature of the beast in the local sports coverage. Something we have to live with - even though it grates on our last nerve (or atleast mine).

[outsideobserver11]

As a UC fan that occasionally stops by here, my take on it is this:

- Whatever was said/not said is somewhat irrelevant to me because that stuff happens all the time and is being used as a cop out excuse.
- Not shaking someone's hand during a handshake line is ridiculous. Even if you hate the player and think he had a horrible game, just tell him "congrats on the win" or "good luck the rest of the season." (I'm sure as a kid Mick was the "good game, good game, you suck, good game kid")
- I'm sure JP probably said something in the line when Mick didn't shake is hand, and is he in the wrong here? Maybe, but it's very minor in comparison to Mick challenging a college student to a fight. UC just got dry-f*cked, again, and Mick was probably pissed and frustrated to the point that the slightest thing would set him off. It just so happened that JP asking for a beejer was that thing.

Definitely not making any excuses for Mick, he deserves to look like the bad guy out of all of this. To be honest, I think a large portion of UC fans would have bought JP a beer if he had laid out Mick after being challenged to a fight. Doesn't mean we don't like the guy because he's done a lot of good for our program, its just getting to the point where we appear to be accepting "good" instead of striving for "great." Cronin is way too emotionally immature to handle a game like this in my opinion because he gets caught up in the moment of a rivalry game.

[bpo]

Is there any portion of the UC fan base that feels like they are without a sports identity currently? From outside persepective, it seems like after the Kelly years the school started to pour money into Football at the detriment of the hoops program in the hopes of jumping to a Big 5 football conference. When that didn't pan out, they've been stuck in neutral on both fronts.

edit: I also feel like the void contributed to Mick being able to exist for as long as he has as a HC.

[bleedXblue]

As a UC fan that occasionally stops by here, my take on it is this:

- Whatever was said/not said is somewhat irrelevant to me because that stuff happens all the time and is being used as a cop out excuse.
- Not shaking someone's hand during a handshake line is ridiculous. Even if you hate the player and think he had a horrible game, just tell him "congrats on the win" or "good luck the rest of the season." (I'm sure as a kid Mick was the "good game, good game, you suck, good game kid")
- I'm sure JP probably said something in the line when Mick didn't shake is hand, and is he in the wrong here? Maybe, but it's very minor in comparison to Mick challenging a college student to a fight. UC just got dry-f*cked, again, and Mick was probably pissed and frustrated to the point that the slightest thing would set him off. It just so happened that JP asking for a beejer was that thing.

Definitely not making any excuses for Mick, he deserves to look like the bad guy out of all of this. To be honest, I think a large portion of UC fans would have bought JP a beer if he had laid out Mick after being challenged to a fight. Doesn't mean we don't like the guy because he's done a lot of good for our program, its just getting to the point where we appear to be accepting "good" instead of striving for "great." Cronin is way too emotionally immature to handle a game like this in my opinion because he gets caught up in the moment of a rivalry game.

thank you

[RetireFiftyTu]

As a UC fan that occasionally stops by here, my take on it is this:

- Whatever was said/not said is somewhat irrelevant to me because that stuff happens all the time and is being used as a cop out excuse.
- Not shaking someone's hand during a handshake line is ridiculous. Even if you hate the player and think he had a horrible game, just tell him "congrats on the win" or "good luck the rest of the season." (I'm sure as a kid Mick was the "good game, good game, you suck, good game kid")
- I'm sure JP probably said something in the line when Mick didn't shake is hand, and is he in the wrong here? Maybe, but it's very minor in comparison to Mick challenging a college student to a fight. UC just got dry-f*cked, again, and Mick was probably pissed and frustrated to the point that the slightest thing would set him off. It just so happened that JP asking for a beejer was that thing.

Definitely not making any excuses for Mick, he deserves to look like the bad guy out of all of this. To be honest, I think a large portion of UC fans would have bought JP a beer if he had laid out Mick after being challenged to a fight. Doesn't mean we don't like the guy because he's done a lot of good for our program, its just getting to the point where we appear to be accepting "good" instead of striving for "great." Cronin is way too emotionally immature to handle a game like this in my opinion because he gets caught up in the moment of a rivalry game.

This is the most reasonable take I've seen from any UC fan. Look, JP talks trash. He tries to get under people's skin. He targets the weakest person mentally. He's really good at getting under people's skin. Cronin was yapping at JP a lot too. I've got no problem with that. I'm good with players yapping at players, players yapping at coaches, coaches yapping at players. As long as they keep it strictly verbal and don't let it turn physical then there isn't anything wrong with it. When it comes to the handshake line, it really isn't a big deal that Mick blew by JP and a few other guys. I heard someone say that Scruggs or someone else was pointing to someone up in the crowd or something and Mick was just trying to get through as quick as possible. He started skipping Scruggs and everyone else because Scruggs wasn't ready to shake hands and JP just happened to be behind him in the line. JP didn't need to say anything but he did because he knew he could draw a reaction out of Mick. Mick gets made fun of a lot because he is really short but he actually is a mental midget. That's why JP targeted him and said something because he knew there was a good chance he could get a reaction and he did. The reason that Mack brought up Lance Stephenson calling him the n-word was to show that 99% of coaches don't let talk get in their heads. Also to call Mick out for being a giant hypocrite by saying that a vulgar player wouldn't play for him. Mack could've just said a former UC player said some vulgar language to him and he ignored it like most people and there was no incident. I don't really have a huge problem with him bringing up Stephenson. As for Stephenson denying it you can't really blame him and we all know he did say it so it doesn't really matter. Basically Mick got fed up over trash talk which happens in practically every college basketball game and because someone called him some bad words. Big deal. He comes out of this looking like a bigger idiot than he was.

[Lamont Sanford]

This is the most reasonable take I've seen from any UC fan.

+1

Too bad that 99.9% of UC fans are trying to make the narrative about JP. They gloss over the fact that lil Micky actually threatened to fight him.

[Boro Muskie]

He comes out of this looking like a bigger idiot than he was.

No small task... rim shot!

[GIMMFD]

Is there any portion of the UC fan base that feels like they are without a sports identity currently? From outside persepective, it seems like after the Kelly years the school started to pour money into Football at the detriment of the hoops program in the hopes of jumping to a Big 5 football conference. When that didn't pan out, they've been stuck in neutral on both fronts.

edit: I also feel like the void contributed to Mick being able to exist for as long as he has as a HC.

They were really holding out hope that the Big 12 invited them, but then the Big 12 decided not to expand. This next set of re-alignment is going to be make or break for UC.

[SemajParlor]

This UC rivalry is starting to feel like the old UD one.

[bpo]

Replying to GIMMFD:

being a one trick pony (basketball only) became wildly beneficial when the football cash grab started. Next couple of years will be big for them.

[bleedXblue]

This UC rivalry is starting to feel like the old UD one.

8 of the last 11 Ouch!

[bleedXblue]

being a one trick pony (basketball only) became wildly beneficial when the football cash grab started. Next couple of years will be big for them.

They have little to offer. They made a colossal mistake trying to make Nippert work. Seriously no one takes their football program and facilities seriously. They should join the MAC and just try to dominate the whole thing in all sports.

[SemajParlor]

8 of the last 11 Ouch!

At what point do the students start bringing in George W Bush face signs?

[Blue Blooded-05]

At what point do the students start bringing in George W Bush face signs?

Beat me to it. Public reps

[drudy23]

And another reason why Xavier should NEVER try football again.

[xudash]

They were really holding out hope that the Big 12 invited them, but then the Big 12 decided not to expand. This next set of re-alignment is going to be make or break for UC.

The next phase of realignment most likely will involve a new business model or at least a materially revised business model when it comes to media content and the value of that to those who own the rights to it and those who want to pay for those rights. We're talking bundled cable packages giving way to streaming.

In essence, heavy subsidies that come from consumers paying for content they don't want or view much are beginning to melt. That model was able to support a major CONFERENCE. A Wake Forest or BC presently benefit from this world. As things begin to slice and dice their way towards measuring content value more directly, it should become interesting to see how the haves and have nots reset.

I know we're a small school and that we don't have football, and I just implied that it may be more about PROGRAM than it is about CONFERENCE down the road - may be, but who knows - but I still like the uniqueness of the Big East as a hoops conference first and given the population centers our schools reside in.

On a related note, but different point, I will never - NEVER - understand why UC pumped $xx millions into Nippert while leaving its capacity at the mid-major water mark. That mistake also was made by St. Joe's when it shot its hoops capital expenditure budget by renovating its place into a glorified high school gym.

If losers typically come out of events like this, then I can't think of bigger losers than UC and UCONN.

[xukeith]

I'm over this.
Let' sfocus on Kent State. Hope there isn't a let down from the shootout win.

Huge revenge game after this home vs. Colorado.

Biggest game next s AT Northern Iowa who is no cupcake.

[Tardy Turtle]

JP asking for a beejer

I move that "beejer" be brought in to the everyday lexicon of all here.

[Tardy Turtle]

Also, ATTN: YTG

https://78.media.tumblr.com/2913f7535a681a2ced12f3b4ba073909/tumblr_ozbi5xC7Es1wqrtaco1_1280.jpg

[xeus]

I move that "beejer" be brought in to the everyday lexicon of all here.

Second.

[XU 87]

One thing I find kind of interesting about this whole thing- Macura got Cronin so pissed at him, that Cronin got a very untimely T as a result. Think about that- a player got into a coach's head and caused the coach to lose his composure and have a meltdown. You don't see that very often, if ever.

[kane79]

I just heard that after the game, Mick was so upset he ripped the tie and coat off himself in the locker room and vowed not to allow himself on the bench again until he proved he learned his lesson and earned his clipboard back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I saw something on twitter that LeBatard was ripping on Mick on his show today, I'll have to try t find the podcast for that one.

[xu82]

I'm over this.
Let' sfocus on Kent State. Hope there isn't a let down from the shootout win.

Huge revenge game after this home vs. Colorado.

Biggest game next s AT Northern Iowa who is no cupcake.


I happened to be in Vail last March watching X beat Arizona. The table next to us at the bar had a bunch of guys wearing Colorado gear. I spent two hours being asked “how the hell did you guys lose to us?” I didn’t have a great answer, but did the best I could...

[xu82]

One thing I find kind of interesting about this whole thing- Macura got Cronin so pissed at him, that Cronin got a very untimely T as a result. Think about that- a player got into a coach's head and caused the coach to lose his composure and have a meltdown. You don't see that very often, if ever.

Yeah, the guy who dropped his drawers in a bar not too long ago is more emotionally mature than the UC coach. Hmmmmm

I love me some JP! Haha

[xu82]

Also, ATTN: YTG

https://78.media.tumblr.com/2913f7535a681a2ced12f3b4ba073909/tumblr_ozbi5xC7Es1wqrtaco1_1280.jpg

He’s probably just a cat guy.

(That’s worse than anything JP might have said to him!)

[bleedXblue]

He’s probably just a cat guy.

(That’s worse than anything JP might have said to him!)

mutliple cats.....totally agree

[GIMMFD]

The next phase of realignment most likely will involve a new business model or at least a materially revised business model when it comes to media content and the value of that to those who own the rights to it and those who want to pay for those rights. We're talking bundled cable packages giving way to streaming.

In essence, heavy subsidies that come from consumers paying for content they don't want or view much are beginning to melt. That model was able to support a major CONFERENCE. A Wake Forest or BC presently benefit from this world. As things begin to slice and dice their way towards measuring content value more directly, it should become interesting to see how the haves and have nots reset.

I know we're a small school and that we don't have football, and I just implied that it may be more about PROGRAM than it is about CONFERENCE down the road - may be, but who knows - but I still like the uniqueness of the Big East as a hoops conference first and given the population centers our schools reside in.

On a related note, but different point, I will never - NEVER - understand why UC pumped $xx millions into Nippert while leaving its capacity at the mid-major water mark. That mistake also was made by St. Joe's when it shot its hoops capital expenditure budget by renovating its place into a glorified high school gym.

If losers typically come out of events like this, then I can't think of bigger losers than UC and UCONN.

I agree with your sentiments whole heartedly, and I believe the Xavier brand will grow even more as we continue to find success before the rights expire for all conferences in 2024, so I don't think our conference will get shaken up too bad especially with the high quality of basketball we put on the court. It's nice that the rest of the conference is purely basketball too, and I think streaming services like Netflix or something could potentially pick up let's sayyy, an ACC Network or something, you know? I just think as we continue to improve, and the rest of the conference does, we'll come out of this just fine.

[vee4xu]

My last thought on this issue (I hope). Why do these things always seems to happen when XU wins? The fight happened in an XU win. Both handshake issues happened after an XU win. Cronin walked off the court two years ago without shaking hands with anyone other than Mack. Can't UC/Cronin just lose gracefully?

The answer I'm afraid is "No".

This thought crossed my mind over the weekend.

[Juice]

I saw something on twitter that LeBatard was ripping on Mick on his show today, I'll have to try t find the podcast for that one.

It was hilarious.

http://pc-cdn.espnradio.com/audio/303/2117/25134/3433870/danlebatardshow_2017-12-04-112310-8006-0-1-0.64k.mp3?cdn_id=33&uuid=b0c945f24a54a952782c9b217c64be5f&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fm.espn.com%2Fgeneral%2Fcast%3 Fid%3D9941853%26src%3Ddesktop%26rand%3Dref%7E%257B %2522ref%2522%253A%2522https%253A%252F%252Ft.co%25 2FkmO8afVd3H%253Famp%253D1%2522%257D&wuuid=5a257ca498cf71579d3d26967520ef363b033022c94b ac80

Start at 21:00 and listen for about 7 or 8 minutes.

[paulxu]

I sort of (just sort of) feel sorry for the UC players.
It would be tough to be listening to ESPN and have those guys just rip your coach for being a WATB.

[X-ceptional]

I sort of (just sort of) feel sorry for the UC players.

Seriously, the guy just seems pathetic. I always think about the difference between "commanding respect" or "demanding respect."

People who command respect don't always (or even often) do it by trying to be a hard-ass. Often times, that can come along with it, but you can't just be a boor. At the most basic level, people who "command" respect get it because they are "worthy" of it in some way.

Then think about Mick. He seems to be the type of person who demands respect. Look at this clip of him calling Washington over to berate him during a stoppage in play, just two minutes into the game.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefiniteSpiritedAmericanwirehair-size_restricted.gif

Again, he just looks pathetic. First of all, what a blatant piece of hypocritical garbage to be shouting across 94 feet of court "GET THE FUCK DOWN HERE...YOUUUUUU" the first time they show your ugly mug on camera during the game, and then to get behind the mic after the game with your sanctimonious bullshit about how you've NEVER been told to "F off three times" (oh my Lord, I've got the vapors!). Give me a break.

But back to my main point... how can anyone look at Mick's posturing like a wound up toddler in that clip and take him seriously? What a tool. I really do feel sorry for anyone that has to play for him.

[Masterofreality]

Not any elite guys do. His recruiting just like his bench coaching sucks yearly. It was almost comical watching CMack coach rings around that asshat Saturday. Even more comical watching YTG’s “offense” which was basically throw the ball to Gary Clark. Clark had no clue what to do vs Kaiser’s length and quickness.

That was a low grade CYO coach vs an Elite Eight Guy right there.

[bleedXblue]

Seriously, the guy just seems pathetic. I always think about the difference between "commanding respect" or "demanding respect."

People who command respect don't always (or even often) do it by trying to be a hard-ass. Often times, that can come along with it, but you can't just be a boor. At the most basic level, people who "command" respect get it because they are "worthy" of it in some way.

Then think about Mick. He seems to be the type of person who demands respect. Look at this clip of him calling Washington over to berate him during a stoppage in play, just two minutes into the game.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DefiniteSpiritedAmericanwirehair-size_restricted.gif

Again, he just looks pathetic. First of all, what a blatant piece of hypocritical garbage to be shouting across 94 feet of court "GET THE FUCK DOWN HERE...YOUUUUUU" the first time they show your ugly mug on camera during the game, and then to get behind the mic after the game with your sanctimonious bullshit about how you've NEVER been told to "F off three times" (oh my Lord, I've got the vapors!). Give me a break.

But back to my main point... how can anyone look at Mick's posturing like a wound up toddler in that clip and take him seriously? What a tool. I really do feel sorry for anyone that has to play for him.

his guys must just not like him You cant treat people the way that he does and have them respect you....no way, no how

[Juice]

his guys must just not like him You cant treat people the way that he does and have them respect you....no way, no how

Occasionally yelling at a guy may wake him up or give him a kick in the butt, but when your only way to get your message through to your players is to yell and cuss at them, you're probably not a very good coach.

[STL_XUfan]

If anyone listens to the Mark Titus One Shinning podcast, they did about 20 minutes today at the top of the pod on the Crosstown shootout, making fun of Mick, and their love of JP.

[XUGRAD80]

Occasionally yelling at a guy may wake him up or give him a kick in the butt, but when your only way to get your message through to your players is to yell and cuss at them, you're probably not a very good coach.

Always found that a pat on the back worked much better than a kick in the ass. But when it was time to give a kick in the ass, it was better to do it in private and not in front of 10,000+ people and a National TV audience.

[Murph85]

It was hilarious.

http://pc-cdn.espnradio.com/audio/303/2117/25134/3433870/danlebatardshow_2017-12-04-112310-8006-0-1-0.64k.mp3?cdn_id=33&uuid=b0c945f24a54a952782c9b217c64be5f&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fm.espn.com%2Fgeneral%2Fcast%3 Fid%3D9941853%26src%3Ddesktop%26rand%3Dref%7E%257B %2522ref%2522%253A%2522https%253A%252F%252Ft.co%25 2FkmO8afVd3H%253Famp%253D1%2522%257D&wuuid=5a257ca498cf71579d3d26967520ef363b033022c94b ac80

Start at 21:00 and listen for about 7 or 8 minutes.

Laughed my ass off. Wow, they were brutal.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Occasionally yelling at a guy may wake him up or give him a kick in the butt, but when your only way to get your message through to your players is to yell and cuss at them, you're probably not a very good coach.

Exactly. I can't stand the Brian Kelly style of coaching where you are just screaming at your players like a lunatic. He and Mick just look pathetic. Mick's phony tough guy shtick is grating.

[MuskieXU]

I don’t particularly care what style of motivation Mick uses, his players know what they signed up for and it’s not like you see a bunch transferring out. I do wonder if it hurts recruiting though. Between that, being an Under Armor school, being in the AAC, and being defense focused it’s no wonder he has so much trouble on the recruiting trail.

[Juice]

If anyone listens to the Mark Titus One Shinning podcast, they did about 20 minutes today at the top of the pod on the Crosstown shootout, making fun of Mick, and their love of JP.

https://art19.com/shows/one-shining-podcast-with-titus-and-tate/episodes/3d85c59a-9275-4151-a9a4-30d98527cbde

They start with the Crosstown Shootout

[drudy23]

Laughed my ass off. Wow, they were brutal.

Even though it was obvious that midwest hoops is the farthest thing from their mind. They may have never heard of Xavier before.

[Perma Fro]

Even though it was obvious that midwest hoops is the farthest thing from their mind. They may have never heard of Xavier before.

Oh, they know Xavier...https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/03/20/highly-questionable-doesnt-know-but-likes-xavier/99426768/

[outsideobserver11]

I've had several discussions with UC folks about Mack. If UC can have a top 15 team in the nation despite Mick's limitations (offense, in-game adjustments, height, etc), then would they be a top 3 team with Mack? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison because we coaches recruit players to fit their style, but it's interesting to think about anyway. We are well aware who the superior coach is.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I've had several discussions with UC folks about Mack. If UC can have a top 15 team in the nation despite Mick's limitations (offense, in-game adjustments, height, etc), then would they be a top 3 team with Mack? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison because we coaches recruit players to fit their style, but it's interesting to think about anyway. We are well aware who the superior coach is.

Yeah, you guys have plenty of talent this year. That starting 5 is really solid. I haven't bought into the "This UC team can make a deep NCAA run" hype solely because of Cronin. If they don't get past week 1 again, it's on him. But I'm sure he'll just blame it on a lack of toughness like he does for most of the losses he takes.

[XU 87]

I wonder what have happened if the tables were turned- if Macura went after Cronin and had to be restrained. How many games would he be suspended and how long would he have to attend anger management classes?

[xudash]

Yeah, you guys have plenty of talent this year. That starting 5 is really solid. I haven't bought into the "This UC team can make a deep NCAA run" hype solely because of Cronin. If they don't get past week 1 again, it's on him. But I'm sure he'll just blame it on a lack of toughness like he does for most of the losses he takes.

I see a lot of inferiority in the guy. He's just a sour, sour, angry little guy.

I have to wonder whether or not, sometime after 2:30 PM on Saturday he eventually went back to his office or went home and sat in a room by himself and allowed it sink in on how stupid he was for his behavior at the Cintas Center. Given how the national press has picked up on it, I doubt he's had much of an opportunity to put it behind him yet.

[xu82]

. I see a lot of inferiority in the guy. He's just a sour, sour, angry little guy.

I have to wonder whether or not, sometime after 2:30 PM on Saturday he eventually went back to his office or went home and sat in a room by himself and allowed it sink in on how stupid he was for his behavior at the Cintas Center. Given how the national press has picked up on it, I doubt he's had much of an opportunity to put it behind him yet.

But he’s consistent, so he’s got that going for him!

[paulxu]

I wonder what have happened if the tables were turned- if Macura went after Cronin and had to be restrained. How many games would he be suspended and how long would he have to attend anger management classes?

These are not good thoughts. You're asking for another reflection session.

[The Coz]

Laughed my ass off. Wow, they were brutal.

I got a good laugh when they said JP was favorite-ing every UC fan who posted his mug shot. "He leans in hard."

[THRILLHOUSE]

I see a lot of inferiority in the guy. He's just a sour, sour, angry little guy.

I have to wonder whether or not, sometime after 2:30 PM on Saturday he eventually went back to his office or went home and sat in a room by himself and allowed it sink in on how stupid he was for his behavior at the Cintas Center. Given how the national press has picked up on it, I doubt he's had much of an opportunity to put it behind him yet.

Cronin doesn't strike me as someone who pays much attention to the media, let alone podcasts from Le Batard or Titus. He's probably too busy staring into the mirror practicing his stupid faces and asking it who's the toughest guy of them all.

[bjf123]

I still think the best comment from Mick was his reference to where he’s from, trying to make it sound like he’s a tough guy from the hood. Dude, you went to LaSalle HS, so you’re from white bread suburbia. As a fellow Lancer alum, I apologize for his association with the school.


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[bleedXblue]

I still think the best comment from Mick was his reference to where he’s from, trying to make it sound like he’s a tough guy from the hood. Dude, you went to LaSalle HS, so you’re from white bread suburbia. As a fellow Lancer alum, I apologize for his association with the school.


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He lives in his own little Napoleanic "world". Seriously the dude is a tool.

[fellahmuskie]

I still think the best comment from Mick was his reference to where he’s from, trying to make it sound like he’s a tough guy from the hood. Dude, you went to LaSalle HS, so you’re from white bread suburbia. As a fellow Lancer alum, I apologize for his association with the school.


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It's also the same line Lyons used in the post-brawl press conference, and got absolutely pillaged for by local media.

[Xavier]

I've had several discussions with UC folks about Mack. If UC can have a top 15 team in the nation despite Mick's limitations (offense, in-game adjustments, height, etc), then would they be a top 3 team with Mack?

No way. Top 3 is mostly great talent with good coaching. Mack is a great coach, one of best at setting plays with different options for how you defend it. Very good at attacking your weakness and drawing plays to get ball in his best players hands.

[Juice]

I still think the best comment from Mick was his reference to where he’s from, trying to make it sound like he’s a tough guy from the hood. Dude, you went to LaSalle HS, so you’re from white bread suburbia. As a fellow Lancer alum, I apologize for his association with the school.


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And he currently lives in Anderson Twp. down the street from Coldstream Country Club. That dude is from the streets.

[gladdenguy]

I've had several discussions with UC folks about Mack. If UC can have a top 15 team in the nation despite Mick's limitations (offense, in-game adjustments, height, etc), then would they be a top 3 team with Mack? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison because we coaches recruit players to fit their style, but it's interesting to think about anyway. We are well aware who the superior coach is.

#1) Mick's players are still better athletes than shooters. You need shooters in the NCAA Tourney or bye bye
#2) the ranking of Mick's teams are deceiving because they climb polls due to the fact they have so many wins because they don't play anybody. The committee realizes this at the end of the year by rewarding a 30 win team with a 6 seed. Polls though do not work like that.

[Muskeagle]

I'm SOOOOO done with the narrative that "gangsters" and "body bag" and "zip 'em up" have no room in sports. It is such a racist/ageist/pollyanna reaction to the same type of language that has pervaded sports lexicon for a LONG time and which no one seems to have a problem with. "Dagger"? What are we supposing that dagger is intended to be doing....that's right stabbing someone. "Warrior" "Assassin" "Sharpshooter" "Killing" "Annihilate" There are ton of other terms, but ALL of these terms have one thing in common: they are about hurting/killing your opponent. The terms Tu/Lyons used are NO different, it's just the white/older/urbane seem to have an issue with them because they are new...or black....or whatever. Get over it folks (not necessarily you guys). Sorry of the rant, i work with a ton of Dayton fans who often throw that out there like it is some huge insult or disparaging comment. I'm seeing the same crap from UC fans now. It is stupid. It's OK to be a "Sniper" but not a "gangster"? It's ok to destroy your opponent, "kill" and "annihilate" them, but put 'em in body bags is somehow immoral. They're the same f*%king metaphors!

Anyway...again...sorry for the rant. Just had to get that off my chest somewhere. :)

[MuskieXU]

I've had several discussions with UC folks about Mack. If UC can have a top 15 team in the nation despite Mick's limitations (offense, in-game adjustments, height, etc), then would they be a top 3 team with Mack? Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison because we coaches recruit players to fit their style, but it's interesting to think about anyway. We are well aware who the superior coach is.

A couple things here. First, Mick has never had a top 15 team (or top 20) per Kenpom. Hes had 3 top 30 teams in 11 years, but never cracked the top 20. Second, I dont think Mack is a significantly better regular season coach than Mick. Both have been pretty similar if you compare the numbers. The difference between the two comes from a couple things. First is Mack gets better recruits, which gives his teams higher upside. Its easier to get better as the season goes on when you have better players. It gives you more options for adjustments. Second, is Mack is an offensive coach and Mick is defensive. Defensive teams are consistent and tend to do well in the regular season but struggle in the postseason. Offensive teams can ratchet up their defense in the postseason via greater intensity and game planning. Defensive teams have a harder time becoming good offensively when they need to be.

Mick is a really good coach he just hasnt succeeded at the highest level due to some limitations. Other defensive coached have has simmilar issues. Bennett and Huggins come to mind.

[STL_XUfan]

I still think the best comment from Mick was his reference to where he’s from, trying to make it sound like he’s a tough guy from the hood. Dude, you went to LaSalle HS, so you’re from white bread suburbia. As a fellow Lancer alum, I apologize for his association with the school.


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Mark Titus rips him apart for this comment. He is a coach from Cincinnati, coaching a team in Cincinnati, doing a post game press conference for an opponent also located in Cincinnati, to a game played in Cincinnati, covered by sports writers largely from Cincinnati....

[bpo]

I'm SOOOOO done with the narrative that "gangsters" and "body bag" and "zip 'em up" have no room in sports. It is such a racist/ageist/pollyanna reaction to the same type of language that has pervaded sports lexicon for a LONG time and which no one seems to have a problem with. "Dagger"? What are we supposing that dagger is intended to be doing....that's right stabbing someone. "Warrior" "Assassin" "Sharpshooter" "Killing" "Annihilate" There are ton of other terms, but ALL of these terms have one thing in common: they are about hurting/killing your opponent. The terms Tu/Lyons used are NO different, it's just the white/older/urbane seem to have an issue with them because they are new...or black....or whatever. Get over it folks (not necessarily you guys). Sorry of the rant, i work with a ton of Dayton fans who often throw that out there like it is some huge insult or disparaging comment. I'm seeing the same crap from UC fans now. It is stupid. It's OK to be a "Sniper" but not a "gangster"? It's ok to destroy your opponent, "kill" and "annihilate" them, but put 'em in body bags is somehow immoral. They're the same f*%king metaphors!

Anyway...again...sorry for the rant. Just had to get that off my chest somewhere. :)

You must have read this gem of an exchange from kittycattalk.com this morning:

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This board sounds like a bunch of wimpy kids after the bully stole our lunch money. I hate X as much as anyone but who cares if they talk trash and have swagger. We embraced that role in the 90's. Did anyone hear the LeBatard Show today- Mick getting made fun of on national radio, not a good look.
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Response:
This has really nothing to do with the game, but what I hate is that X fans don't really embrace it. Or, the "narrative" is that X is the plucky little underdog still. They run out teams full of punks and cons and everyone talks about them like they're the second coming of Ward Cleaver.

The narratives never cease to amaze me from their end....

[Masterofreality]

Mick is a really good coach he just hasnt succeeded at the highest level due to some limitations. Other defensive coached have has simmilar issues. Bennett and Huggins come to mind.

Mick abjectly SucKS as a coach- especially on the offensive side of the ball. Didn’t you watch that game Saturday? Mickey Mouses whole offense was throw the ball to Gary Clark and when Kaiser shut his ass down, it was back to the “chuck and rebound plus get steals off turnover” offense. XU ruled the boards and handled the press so The Jaundiced Leprechaun had no other answers. His late/postseason record is what it is because he can’t schedule Tournament cupcakes and his teams are easily defended. Mick is a mediocre to poor coach who fattens up on cream puffs and a crap conference.

School was in Session on Saturday with CMack the Professor and Mickey Mouse an F student. Period

[Muskeagle]

You must have read this gem of an exchange from kittycattalk.com this morning:

Quote:
Originally Posted by IDC View Post
This board sounds like a bunch of wimpy kids after the bully stole our lunch money. I hate X as much as anyone but who cares if they talk trash and have swagger. We embraced that role in the 90's. Did anyone hear the LeBatard Show today- Mick getting made fun of on national radio, not a good look.
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Response:
This has really nothing to do with the game, but what I hate is that X fans don't really embrace it. Or, the "narrative" is that X is the plucky little underdog still. They run out teams full of punks and cons and everyone talks about them like they're the second coming of Ward Cleaver.

The narratives never cease to amaze me from their end....

Hadn't seen this one...but I saw and heard others. Been hearing it from my UD freinds again. Tired of it all.

[Masterofreality]

Hadn't seen this one...but I saw and heard others. Been hearing it from my UD freinds again. Tired of it all.

Ya, know. Maybe all these BoreCat fans were set off immediately by Tyrique's flex after the first baskets. How quickly they forget KMart's more evident flex in front of the camera in the 1999 Shootout- which SucKS of course also lost when they were Number 1.

They have a lot of short memories over there because they have limited brain power anyway. #Cretins

[Masterofreality]

And I've said it before and I'll say it again after watching this game numerous times. Kaiser Gates defense against Gary Clark set the tone on that game from jump. Mickey Mouse had no answers and neither did Clark.

Kaiser is becoming a star before our eyes, and he's gonna open up some NBA scouts eyes too.