Rankings 2017-18

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is this one of those situations where Villanova is a bad matchup for X but X might be the better team?

I don't think this but I'm playing devils advocate.

It's definitely a matchup issue. X was able to win @ Creighton and Butler. X was able to beat St. John's at home. But with identical records and two ass whuppins'....be interesting to see what happens.

[X Factor]

Villanova plays their A game vs X almost every time.

They shot 30% from 3 against Providence and Creighton. They make 16 of 33 vs X.

I know X isn't a great defensive team, but they shoot lights out vs X.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Villanova plays their A game vs X almost every time.

They shot 30% from 3 against Providence and Creighton. They make 16 of 33 vs X.

I know X isn't a great defensive team, but they shoot lights out vs X.

Truer words could not be typed. I genuinely believe Nova would have beaten anyone in the country, on the other team’s home floor, the evening they played at X. All you could do was shake your head at their shooting performance.

[dethwing]

Fun fact, for whatever it's worth. Only two teams in the country have at least 6 Q1 wins and no losses outside of Q1. Xavier..... And Auburn.

[GIMMFD]

Fun fact, for whatever it's worth. Only two teams in the country have at least 6 Q1 wins and no losses outside of Q1. Xavier..... And Auburn.

Florida was Q1 yesterday??? That's a little surprising, thought they'd be Q2, but yeah the guys have been very impressive this season outside of the Villanova debacles. Definitely proud of what they've accomplished this season.

In other news, with 16mins left in the 2nd half (a lot of time, I know) Tulsa is up 5 on Cincinnati.

[XUFan09]

In other news, with 16mins left in the 2nd half (a lot of time, I know) Tulsa is up 5 on Cincinnati.

That's like 12 whole possessions!

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[usfldan]

Villanova plays their A game vs X almost every time.

They shot 30% from 3 against Providence and Creighton. They make 16 of 33 vs X.

I know X isn't a great defensive team, but they shoot lights out vs X.

I'm starting to wonder if Villanova put too much of its focus on the Xavier game, and it has cost them some of those other games.

[JTG]

I'm starting to wonder if Villanova put too much of its focus on the Xavier game, and it has cost them some of those other games.

A curious yet interesting thought. Why we can't beat them is baffling. Just as baffling that they have losses to 3 of the teams we have handled 2x each. I think Nova figures we are big talkers, which in a way we are. We talk about how great we are, but until we make a Final Four run, we are nothing but blowhards. Just finally get there this year so that all our talk is finally backed up. Yes we're a great program, but that elephant in the room (FF) keeps getting larger and larger with each passing year. Just do it.

[xudash]

A curious yet interesting thought. Why we can't beat them is baffling. Just as baffling that they have losses to 3 of the teams we have handled 2x each. I think Nova figures we are big talkers, which in a way we are. We talk about how great we are, but until we make a Final Four run, we are nothing but blowhards. Just finally get there this year so that all our talk is finally backed up. Yes we're a great program, but that elephant in the room (FF) keeps getting larger and larger with each passing year. Just do it.

Individual perceptions and opinions, I guess.

I don't see us as being blowhards. In fact, we fit in very well in the Big East and I see us as being well regarded while being respectful.

As for the F4 thing - absolutely, we all want that, but the Xavier Program is fine. I believe we'll get there, but I don't feel some heavy weight in the meantime. Too much success along the way to feel that way.

[GIMMFD]

Individual perceptions and opinions, I guess.

I don't see us as being blowhards. In fact, we fit in very well in the Big East and I see us as being well regarded while being respectful.

As for the F4 thing - absolutely, we all want that, but the Xavier Program is fine. I believe we'll get there, but I don't feel some heavy weight in the meantime. Too much success along the way to feel that way.

Agreed with this take, we're a step under Nova, but we're a major player in the Big East, and we've had numerous Sweet 16 and Elite 8 runs. I think we're well regarded, but I can also see how the elephant is still in the room, that separates you from being damn good, to being great. We need a Final Four banner to get over that, and we have a great chance in doing so this year, but at the same time, our past success is still being grown upon. It'd be different if we didn't transition into a major conference, or we weren't recruiting at a higher level, or more people didn't know who we are, we're a growing giant. So it's not like we're stagnant and not improving, the Final 4 will come. I'm hoping it's this year, but I know we'll get there.

[stammina0721]

Individual perceptions and opinions, I guess.

I don't see us as being blowhards. In fact, we fit in very well in the Big East and I see us as being well regarded while being respectful.

As for the F4 thing - absolutely, we all want that, but the Xavier Program is fine. I believe we'll get there, but I don't feel some heavy weight in the meantime. Too much success along the way to feel that way.

I just dont agree with the last part of this quote. Xavier fans have been saying since the David West days that we will get to a final four eventually. 17 years later it has been close but still has not happened.

This year is awesome. We have one of the elite offenses in the country that can literally win with more styles than anyone in the country. On top of that, even with bad matchups with Nova and Duke there is no dominant team this year. Xavier is also so close to it's first one seed in program history.

So in a year we probably have the best offense in school history, can efficiently play any style of offense, about to get the first one seed in school history with 2 more wins and having no dominant teams; I am saying the time is now. While the season will always be celebrated, anything less would be a disappointment

[Muskeagle]

And there it is....NUMBER 3

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll/2018/17

[muskiefan82]

Still 4th in the Coaches Poll. Duke jumped X to #3 and Villanova dropped down to #5

[dethwing]

And the coaches put Virginia at #1, no more split with AP.

[AviatorX]

I just dont agree with the last part of this quote. Xavier fans have been saying since the David West days that we will get to a final four eventually. 17 years later it has been close but still has not happened.

This year is awesome. We have one of the elite offenses in the country that can literally win with more styles than anyone in the country. On top of that, even with bad matchups with Nova and Duke there is no dominant team this year. Xavier is also so close to it's first one seed in program history.

So in a year we probably have the best offense in school history, can efficiently play any style of offense, about to get the first one seed in school history with 2 more wins and having no dominant teams; I am saying the time is now. While the season will always be celebrated, anything less would be a disappointment

It is dumb for any program in any one season to consider anything less than a Final Four a disappointment. Let alone a program that has never been to one. We are still talking about a single elimination tournament here.

[94GRAD]

https://twitter.com/XUStatman/status/968214092916850688

[GetUp5]

I just dont agree with the last part of this quote. Xavier fans have been saying since the David West days that we will get to a final four eventually. 17 years later it has been close but still has not happened.

This year is awesome. We have one of the elite offenses in the country that can literally win with more styles than anyone in the country. On top of that, even with bad matchups with Nova and Duke there is no dominant team this year. Xavier is also so close to it's first one seed in program history.

So in a year we probably have the best offense in school history, can efficiently play any style of offense, about to get the first one seed in school history with 2 more wins and having no dominant teams; I am saying the time is now. While the season will always be celebrated, anything less would be a disappointment

It has only been 14-15 years since David West. Not a big deal, but hasn't been 17 years.

The tournament is simply too much of a crap shoot to say we NEED to do something. Hell, we almost broke through to the F4 last year with a team that was a huge let down for a majority of the season. I think what xudash is saying is that we're at a level of success that is continually producing tournament teams and there isn't an end in sight for that. We will inevitably break through to the F4 if we keep producing teams with high seeds in the tournament.

Would be amazing to do that this year, but if we don't, Xavier Basketball will have a team in 2018-2019 and maybe that team will be the one to do it.

[XUOHTX]

How many times have we been in the top 25 from preseason through the NCAA tourney without falling out?

[94GRAD]

https://twitter.com/XUStatman/status/968214092916850688


How many times have we been in the top 25 from preseason through the NCAA tourney without falling out?

This will answer that question

[XUOHTX]

Jeez, why didn't you post that earlier. Oh, you did. Ok, I'll eff off now.

[XUOHTX]

https://twitter.com/XUStatman/status/968214092916850688

So I guess this answers the other thread. Yes, this is the best Xavier team ever.

[stammina0721]

I dont mean dissapointed in terms of this is a team that failed; i mean disappointment in terms of the circumstances being perfect. Everything is falling into place for it to happen this year. If not this year I dont know when the stars will align this perfectly again.

[stammina0721]

And I was calculating on when West started which without looking I think was 01. I based years on when he started not when he left

[GIMMFD]

I dont mean dissapointed in terms of this is a team that failed; i mean disappointment in terms of the circumstances being perfect. Everything is falling into place for it to happen this year. If not this year I dont know when the stars will align this perfectly again.

Yeah, definitely seems everything is falling in place for us to have a major run, and that started with Trevon announcing he was returning, Kanter deciding to come back, and just playing an incredible season of basketball, not only did we not fall out of the top 25, we weren't even close to falling out, never got less than what? 15th? The stars are aligning, and it seems like this could be the season to get there, but you never know in March, you never know with match ups, and you never know how a game is going to go. Blessed this season so far, and I'm hoping great things continue.

[stammina0721]

And Duke just shit the bed again. If the stars are not aligning I dont know what to say.

[Nigel Tufnel]

X likely to be No. 2 ranked team in the country Monday. Who woulda thunk it?

[GIMMFD]

X likely to be No. 2 ranked team in the country Monday. Who woulda thunk it?

If you're not first, you're last, please let UVA falter too ;)

[HenryMuto]

If you're not first, you're last, please let UVA falter too ;)

Louisville screwed that up

[stammina0721]

Yeah... I've seen some crazy stuff but that may be the second biggest choke job I've seen in any sports event ever. How do you have the ball with less than a second and lose? Hell just bounce it off someone's head and by the time it hits the ground its game over. The only bigger choke job is still Reggie Miller vs the Knicks. Still my favorite

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Wonder how Louisville fans feel about that. That’s ridiculous!

[bleedXblue]

Should be #2 tomorrow Without divine intervention in the UL game, we would be #1.

[scoscox]

I think UVA probably would've stayed at #1 even if they lost that game.

[OTRMUSKIE]

We will def be 2 with a handful of first place votes. I think Virginia will be the first 1 seed out in the dance. I have a feeling it will be Butler that knocks them off in the second round.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Will they have a new poll the Monday before the dance? I would think X still has a shot of being number 1 if they can win the Beast

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think UVA probably would've stayed at #1 even if they lost that game.

Yeah I agree. Or at least that is what I am telling myself to not be upset about that Louisville choke job. Unreal.

[stammina0721]

Will they have a new poll the Monday before the dance? I would think X still has a shot of being number 1 if they can win the Beast

No... we have tomorrow's poll then the end of season one in April

[xu82]

Yeah I agree. Or at least that is what I am telling myself to not be upset about that Louisville choke job. Unreal.

Every day, we do what we must to get by......

[OTRMUSKIE]

Actually there is a poll tomorrow then one more before the dance then the final coaches poll.

[GIMMFD]

Actually there is a poll tomorrow then one more before the dance then the final coaches poll.

Doesn't really matter now, let's just win the entire damn thing and force them to make us #1 ;)

[xu82]

Actually there is a poll tomorrow then one more before the dance then the final coaches poll.

So when do we start dancing around that poll?

[XUOWNSUC]

Xavier is still #3 in the AP - Villanova jumped us (we are now 6 votes behind them) and Michigan State fell behind us (we are 164 votes ahead of them).

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

[kellernr]

Xavier is still #3 in the AP - Villanova jumped us (we are now 6 votes behind them) and Michigan State fell behind us (we are 164 votes ahead of them).

https://collegebasketball.ap.org/pollShould be 2 regardless if nova beat us twice. Why put us in front of them and then let them jump us the next week when both teams went 2-0 for the week.

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[XUFan09]

Villanova jumping Xavier defies the usual ranking trends. Maybe it's the end of the regular season, so writers are considering overall body of work more for once.

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[XUOWNSUC]

Jesse Newell (Kansas City Star) continues to hate us. He has Xavier as #10 in the country (uc is #4 on his ballot). If he changed his vote to Xavier at #3, would that have given us enough points to move us up to #2?

[Michigan Muskie]

#2 in the Coaches Poll

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/basketball-men/polls/coaches-poll/

[X-ceptional]

Jesse Newell (Kansas City Star) continues to hate us. He has Xavier as #10 in the country (uc is #4 on his ballot). If he changed his vote to Xavier at #3, would that have given us enough points to move us up to #2?

Yes, he had Nova at 2, so they would have stayed at 1516, and we would have ended up with1517.

[xu95]

The Kansas City Star is a dumpster fire of a newspaper.

[X-ceptional]

The rankings couldn't matter any less now that we're into March, but Newell's voting seriously makes no sense. I'll start off by noting he is actually respecting Creighton and Seton Hall with 24 and 25 place votes.

So looking at his own top 25, SucKS splits with (16) Wichita and (22) Houston, loses to (18) FL, and gets spanked by (10) X.

X beats (4) UC, sweeps (24) Creighton and (25) Seton Hall, and although we got swept by (2) Nova, we nonetheless won the outright regular season championship over Nova playing the same exact schedules courtesy of the double round robin.

Yet somehow he votes us no. 10? Hasn't voted us higher than 9 all season? Come on, guy.

[XUOWNSUC]

Yes, he had Nova at 2, so they would have stayed at 1516, and we would have ended up with1517.

Sucks that one guy is keeping us from being #2. I want the rankings to be symmetrical dammit!

[THRILLHOUSE]

From what I can see there were 3 voters that swapped X/Nova this week:

Sheldon Mickles (Baton Rouge) and Thuc Nhi Nguyen (Los Angeles) both had X 3 Nova 4 last week, and went Nova 2 X 3 this week.

John McNamara (Annapolis) had X 3 Nova 6 last week and this week has Nova jumping up to #2 with X still at #3.

Edit - One more. Our old friend Graham Couch had X 3 Nova 4 last week. This week he has Nova 2 X 4.

[Lloyd Braun]

They were only 6 votes behind us going into the week so it was a razor thin margin, and still is. Had we thumped DePaul we would be 2. Style points count with human (and some computer) voters.

[XUWahoo]

Don't see how Villanova gets back to #2 in the AP Poll and X stays at #3 with bad Nova losses at Butler, Creighton, and St. John's. We share a common loss with Providence but Nova beat us twice as a highly ranked team (thus, not bad losses) and we lost to Arizona State while they were on their way up the polls and were, for a while, undefeated. Given the above and the fact that Xavier is the BE regular season champ, a case can be made that we should be at #2 this week.

[GetUp5]

This is why this poll is stupid. The difference between 1,516 points and 1,510 points is Jesse Newell, the KU beat writer ranking us 10th (because he votes based on KenPom). If he votes X 3rd, they're ranked #2 this week.

[American X]

I do not mind. Now Xavier players will burn with rage that they are 6 points behind Villanova in the AP Poll. Sneak Up On Them!

[TUclutch]

Don't see how Villanova gets back to #2 in the AP Poll and X stays at #3 with bad Nova losses at Butler, Creighton, and St. John's. We share a common loss with Providence but Nova beat us twice as a highly ranked team (thus, not bad losses) and we lost to Arizona State while they were on their way up the polls and were, for a while, undefeated. Given the above and the fact that Xavier is the BE regular season champ, a case can be made that we should be at #2 this week.

I get your point, but did we need a new thread? Just comment in the existing ones.

[GetUp5]

The rankings couldn't matter any less now that we're into March, but Newell's voting seriously makes no sense. I'll start off by noting he is actually respecting Creighton and Seton Hall with 24 and 25 place votes.

So looking at his own top 25, SucKS splits with (16) Wichita and (22) Houston, loses to (18) FL, and gets spanked by (10) X.

X beats (4) UC, sweeps (24) Creighton and (25) Seton Hall, and although we got swept by (2) Nova, we nonetheless won the outright regular season championship over Nova playing the same exact schedules courtesy of the double round robin.

Yet somehow he votes us no. 10? Hasn't voted us higher than 9 all season? Come on, guy.

He votes based on KenPom. He says so on his twitter account.

[XUWahoo]

I looked for this type of recent specific thread BEFORE creating a new one, but the others (Bracketology, BE Tourney, DePaul game, etc.) didn't seem to apply regarding the latest AP Poll which just came out today.

[X-band '01]

Based on KenPom and one other predictive metric.

Yank. His. Ballot.

[TUclutch]

I looked for this type of recent specific thread BEFORE creating a new one, but the others (Bracketology, BE Tourney, DePaul game, etc.) didn't seem to apply regarding the latest AP Poll which just came out today.

LOL there is literally a thread at the top of the page that says RANKINGS 2017-2018

[Tardy Turtle]

Now Xavier players will burn with rage

https://francisjogottlieb.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/anger.jpg

[XUWahoo]

LOL there is literally a thread at the top of the page that says RANKINGS 2017-2018

Sorry this new thread bothered you but you seem to be the only poster direly affected by it.

[XUWahoo]

If you're not first, you're last, please let UVA falter too ;)

Sorry to differ with you, but I have two horses in this race and the UVa Wahoos are my other horse (UVa Med 1975). Of course, I would be severely conflicted if they met in the Big Dance. When Xavier beat UVa in Charlottesville a few years ago, I wore a Xavier hat and a Virginia sweatshirt (or was it vice versa?) to the game though I really was leaning heavily toward X.

[TUclutch]

Sorry this new thread bothered you but you seem to be the only poster direly affected by it.

It won't affect my day too much. Its downtime at work. Just trying to help a new guy out some. Keeping relevant issues in the same thread allows for easier discussion.

[American X]

When the bloodsport is over, I will merge the threads.

[XUFan09]

Sorry this new thread bothered you but you seem to be the only poster direly affected by it.He just took the time to actually inform you. Since many others would have just ignored your post, that seems like a kindness.

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[xu82]

He just took the time to actually inform you. Since many others would have just ignored your post, that seems like a kindness.

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That was too nice, this is bloodsport! Try to keep up!

[XUFan09]

That was too nice, this is bloodsport! Try to keep up!Dammit, I screwed it all up!

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[XU 23]

He votes based on KenPom. He says so on his twitter account.

That's really ridiculous. You can't just completely ignore a team's résumé.

[XUFan09]

That's really ridiculous. You can't just completely ignore a team's résumé.As an adherent of Kenpom, I think he's misusing it. The rankings are a measure of win probability, not a power ranking. If you want to rank teams, Kenpom is far better for measuring how difficult or easy opponents were than for measuring a team directly. And Xavier has notched a lot of victories against tough opponents.

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[Xuperman]

LOL there is literally a thread at the top of the page that says RANKINGS 2017-2018

ADHD is the 21st century version of the Black Plague....pray for our society.....the polls suck....:friends:

[Three Point Pete]

Don't see how Villanova gets back to #2 in the AP Poll and X stays at #3 with bad Nova losses at Butler, Creighton, and St. John's. We share a common loss with Providence but Nova beat us twice as a highly ranked team (thus, not bad losses) and we lost to Arizona State while they were on their way up the polls and were, for a while, undefeated. Given the above and the fact that Xavier is the BE regular season champ, a case can be made that we should be at #2 this week.I think X is a better team than Nova, over all. Go X!

VU can't be ranked below X, being as they have us 2-0. However, if we win round 3 then I can see X ranking higher.

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[XUWahoo]

He just took the time to actually inform you. Since many others would have just ignored your post, that seems like a kindness.

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And is much appreciated all the same!

[XUFan09]

And is much appreciated all the same!:)

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[XUWahoo]

I think X is a better team than Nova, over all. Go X!

VU can't be ranked below X, being as they have us 2-0. However, if we win round 3 then I can see X ranking higher.

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Wasn't Nova ranked below us last week? I guess my point is that what did Nova do since the last poll to allow them to play hopscotch over us? Neither they nor X lost any games since then, X took the BE regular season title, and the only other thing which transpired was that #2 Michigan State lost in the Big 10 semi's to Michigan.

[GoMuskies]

They won at Seton Hall and beat the holy hell out of Georgetown at home. Objectively, they had a far superior week to Xavier.

We just got to celebrate more!

[XU 23]

As an adherent of Kenpom, I think he's misusing it. The rankings are a measure of win probability, not a power ranking. If you want to rank teams, Kenpom is far better for measuring how difficult or easy opponents were than for measuring a team directly. And Xavier has notched a lot of victories against tough opponents.

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I agree, I still think you can still use KP effectively to rank teams and for seeding purposes. But it looks like this guy is just relying solely on advanced statistics and ignoring team’s actual résumés, specifically for Xavier and UC, which I really disagree with.

Here’s his ballot, for reference: https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll-voter/jesse-newell

[XUFan09]

They won at Seton Hall and beat the holy hell out of Georgetown at home. Objectively, they had a far superior week to Xavier.

We just got to celebrate more!

It was also a razor-thin margin in total points from the 65 people voting. Xavier was only up 6 points and is now only down 6 points. Really, it's a virtual tie for #2 in the rankings. It would be a literal tie if Jesse Newell had X at the minimum rank given by all other voters (4th) instead of his rank of 10th. Villanova had no such outliers.

Overall, Villanova has slightly more second-place votes (34 vs 27), but between Villanova and Xavier, all but four second-place votes are taken. Then, for 3rd place, Xavier got 32 votes while Villanova got 22 of the remaining 33.

[letskeepitreal]

Really doesn’t matter I think. What really matters at this point is tournament bracket seedlings and not playing out West. Whether we like to admit it or not, Nova owns us until we take them out in the Big East Tournament.

[XU 87]

He is essentially letting Pomeroy vote his ballot. He shouldn't be allowed to vote if that's what he's going to do.

[XUOWNSUC]

Previous high was #9 in 2016. Congrats to the team for another program high!

Xavier is now #4 in the Coaches Poll. The final one comes out after the tournament.