Rick Pitino Out at Louisville

[nuts4xu]

Press conference at 1 pm.

The dominoes are starting to fall!

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rick-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out

[Milhouse]

Honestly in terms of keeping Mack long term (next 5ish years) this couldn't have worked out any better.

OSU & IU get new coaches (Mack mentioned but never seriously so didn't take meeting or anything)
Lville we've always known is probably his top job. Pitino fired and throws multiple Grenades on his way out making the job extremely unattractive.

[paulxu]

I'd still watch out for the Brinks trucks.

[muskiefan82]

Wow. This is something else.

[nuts4xu]

Pitino fired and throws multiple Grenades on his way out making the job extremely unattractive.

I do not believe this will prevent Chris Mack from taking that job if he is interested. Sean Miller took over an Arizona team that was reeling, and had only a few scholarship players left from the fiasco that was the last 2 years of Lute Olson's career. He didn't face sanctions, but still had to rebuild. Thad Matta jumped for a decimated OSU program. Coaches see that stuff as a challenge, and if they can return those schools to prominence, they are deemed a hero.

Whenever I have started a new job or new role for a company, it was most preferable to follow someone that messed up, was terrible, or ignored his responsibilities. All I had to do was put in a solid effort, and the territory would bounce back. Customers loved me because I followed someone incompetent.

[Caf]

I do not believe this will prevent Chris Mack from taking that job if he is interested. Sean Miller took over an Arizona team that was reeling, and had only a few scholarship players left from the fiasco that was the last 2 years of Lute Olson's career. He didn't face sanctions, but still had to rebuild. Thad Matta jumped for a decimated OSU program. Coaches see that stuff as a challenge, and if they can return those schools to prominence, they are deemed a hero.

Agreed. Celebrating this as working in our favor is really premature. I don't think it's likely, but it's still possible.

[throwbackmuskie]

As I have said for years, Mack is not leaving. Now cue the you don't know and unless you are Mack you don't know comments. waiting for casual to blow his load with the thoughts of Mack leaving.

[xufan2434]

As I have said for years, Mack is not leaving. Now cue the you don't know and unless you are Mack you don't know comments. waiting for casual to blow his load with the thoughts of Mack leaving.

I just don't see how he chooses to leave everything that he's worked so hard and long to build -- for a school probably getting the death penalty. And yes Christi is from the Louisville area, so that could definitely be a factor. But that's one hell of a mess to inherit and that's not even knowing inside details

[chico]

How can the NCAA not give them the death penalty? You have an employee of the university on tape saying "we have to be extra careful because we're already on probation." It doesn't get more incriminating than that.

I understand the SMU argument and saw the 30 for 30 but basketball is completely different from football when it comes to building a program. You're talking 12 guys versus 90. The NCAA needs to grow a pair and do it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

How can the NCAA not give them the death penalty? You have an employee of the university on tape saying "we have to be extra careful because we're already on probation." It doesn't get more incriminating than that.

I understand the SMU argument and saw the 30 for 30 but basketball is completely different from football when it comes to building a program. You're talking 12 guys versus 90. The NCAA needs to grow a pair and do it.

If the NCAA were going to do it, this is the time. Couple that with the notion that the NCAA doesn't act until the feds get involved.

[Caf]

How can the NCAA not give them the death penalty? You have an employee of the university on tape saying "we have to be extra careful because we're already on probation." It doesn't get more incriminating than that.

I understand the SMU argument and saw the 30 for 30 but basketball is completely different from football when it comes to building a program. You're talking 12 guys versus 90. The NCAA needs to grow a pair and do it.

I think if there's any real reason they don't do it it's because Louisville makes them gobs of money.

[Lamont Sanford]

I think if there's any real reason they don't do it it's because Louisville makes them gobs of money.

Bingo. What he said. No way they drop the hammer on UofL. Makes too much sense and the NCAA has none.

[paulxu]

I think if there's any real reason they don't do it it's because Louisville makes them gobs of money.

aka the Roy Williams Rule

[kyxu]

I do not believe this will prevent Chris Mack from taking that job if he is interested. Sean Miller took over an Arizona team that was reeling, and had only a few scholarship players left from the fiasco that was the last 2 years of Lute Olson's career. He didn't face sanctions, but still had to rebuild. Thad Matta jumped for a decimated OSU program. Coaches see that stuff as a challenge, and if they can return those schools to prominence, they are deemed a hero.

Whenever I have started a new job or new role for a company, it was most preferable to follow someone that messed up, was terrible, or ignored his responsibilities. All I had to do was put in a solid effort, and the territory would bounce back. Customers loved me because I followed someone incompetent.

I don't think it makes for an appropriate analogy, comparing our upper middle-class office jobs to those of major college basketball coaches, so I'm not sure that is a like scenario. I also don't think the HC job at Louisville will be the only thing impacted. You are talking about an entire athletic department that is going to be placed under a microscope for the foreseeable future, not to mention whatever the NCAA decides to do. Mack would be walking in to a very uncomfortable and excessively scrutinized environment. I don't think this really compares to your new sales manager job or whatever it may be.

Second, we are six weeks from tip off of Xavier's first actual game. I know Mack has ambitions just like every other college coach, but he's established enough to not want to be that guy who bolted on his top 15 team six weeks before the season started to coach a team in turmoil.

But I could be very wrong.

[GoMuskies]

No one's leaving their current job to go to Louisville this year. They'll have an interim guy for sure.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

No one's leaving their current job to go to Louisville this year. They'll have an interim guy for sure.

I agree with this, it will be the open jobs at the end of this year that will be of interest.

[pimpinthebox]

No one's leaving their current job to go to Louisville this year. They'll have an interim guy for sure.

(My comments assume that Mack wants the UL job - which most of us who know anything about Mack believe is all but 100% certain.)

I agree with Go. They'll bring in someone to be the interim for this season. The roster they have in place has Final Four potential so I'll be rooting like hell for the new guy, because who knows, maybe they'll keep him (see Kevin Ollie). After the season, however, they'll back it up for someone like Mack and they'll take the job - "it" being the Brinks truck. I really don't think the sanctions will impact his decision all that much, but who knows. Starting with a clean slate with no pressure early-on is fairly attractive. Sure would be nice if he does end up taking the job, that he delivers us the Final Four we've all been waiting for before he goes. Anxious to hear the other names they'll be throwing out after they hire the "search firm". Would be great if someone jumps up and takes it out from under him. I mean, Mack can't be the ONLY guy they'd consider.

[murray87]

So "Mack to Louisville" is going to hang over us all season, wonderful.

[markchal]

I think it's gonna take a bit of time for this to all unfold. I can't see any coach taking that job before the sanctions/etc. are announced and I think it could be uglier than people are thinking. If he's facing years of not being in the tournament or whatever, I can't see him taking that job.

[BMoreX]

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Wow. Postel says he aims to name an interim HC and interim AD within 48 hours.

[chico]

I wouldn't be surprised if Louisville isn't the only major program looking for a coach by the end of the season.

[GoMuskies]

Matt Norlander‏Verified account @MattNorlander 2m2 minutes ago
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Wow. Postel says he aims to name an interim HC and interim AD within 48 hours.

It could be Crean. It could be Scotty Davenport at Bellarmine. It could be Gottfried. It could be David Padgett. It could be Pete Fucking Gillen. Who knows?

[pimpinthebox]

Along with Tom Crean's name, Fran Fraschilla also dropped Thad Matta and Dino Gaudio. Must be smoking rope.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Along with Tom Crean's name, Fran Fraschilla also dropped Thad Matta and Dino Gaudio. Must be smoking rope.

Dino Gaudio is a perfect choice. Guy isn't bad, runs a clean program, and is easy to fire.

[muethibp]

Dino Gaudio is a perfect choice. Guy isn't bad, runs a clean program, and is easy to fire.

I think they should find a caretaker for the position. Someone squeaky clean who hasn't been in coaching recently and who doesn't want the position long-term. To give them time to settle things down and see what happens with the NCAA. Gaudio isn't quite what I have in mind but someone like him.

[pimpinthebox]

I think they should find a caretaker for the position. Someone squeaky clean who hasn't been in coaching recently and who doesn't want the position long-term. To give them time to settle things down and see what happens with the NCAA. Gaudio isn't quite what I have in mind but someone like him.

I think they'll name David Padgett as interim. And then after that, just pray they don't offer the job to Mack...because he'll take it.

[GoMuskies]

ESPN Insider article says Louisville should go after Mack and predicts that Louisville will eventually hire Mack.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't think it makes for an appropriate analogy, comparing our upper middle-class office jobs to those of major college basketball coaches, so I'm not sure that is a like scenario. I also don't think the HC job at Louisville will be the only thing impacted. You are talking about an entire athletic department that is going to be placed under a microscope for the foreseeable future, not to mention whatever the NCAA decides to do. Mack would be walking in to a very uncomfortable and excessively scrutinized environment. I don't think this really compares to your new sales manager job or whatever it may be.

Second, we are six weeks from tip off of Xavier's first actual game. I know Mack has ambitions just like every other college coach, but he's established enough to not want to be that guy who bolted on his top 15 team six weeks before the season started to coach a team in turmoil.

But I could be very wrong.

It wouldnt be this year. They will have an interim coach for the coming season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No one's leaving their current job to go to Louisville this year. They'll have an interim guy for sure.

Sorry responded before I saw this.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Matt Norlander‏Verified account @MattNorlander 2m2 minutes ago
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Wow. Postel says he aims to name an interim HC and interim AD within 48 hours.

Interim guy has to be someone from outside the program right? Like an older retired coach who doesnt mind helping out for a year, then going back into retirement. One with a squeaky clean record.

[muethibp]

Interim guy has to be someone from outside the program right? Like an older retired coach who doesnt mind helping out for a year, then going back into retirement. One with a squeaky clean record.

That's what I was suggesting. That's the path that makes sense to me. You can't rely on internal interims because you don't know how far the story goes.

[Smails]

:laugh:Let's hope Mack gets into some minor trouble with the NCAA this season...just enough not to get fired but too much for Louisville to hire him. Xavier wins

[GoMuskies]

Interim guy has to be someone from outside the program right? Like an older retired coach who doesnt mind helping out for a year, then going back into retirement. One with a squeaky clean record.

Like....Pete Gillen!!!!!

[kyxu]

It wouldnt be this year. They will have an interim coach for the coming season.

Yeah, I agree with you and Go that it will be interim.

Depending on what long-term punishment is going to come UL's way, I would not be surprised (and am preparing myself) for Louisville to hire Mack after this coming season. So with perhaps Mack's most talented team at Xavier, I hope he makes hay before he heads south.

And who knows? Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that this recruiting class hasn't been great, as they would be bolting anyway after the 17-18 season under a potential coaching change.

[GoMuskies]

Mick Cronin is actually the betting favorite online to be Louisville's next coach. Mick Fucking Cronin.

[Smails]

Mick Cronin is actually the betting favorite online to be Louisville's next coach. Mick Fucking Cronin.

Please....god....yes

[chico]

Maybe hiring Cronin is UL's way of self-imposing penalties.

[paulxu]

ESPN Insider article says Louisville should go after Mack and predicts that Louisville will eventually hire Mack.


Mick Cronin is actually the betting favorite online to be Louisville's next coach. Mick Fucking Cronin.

One of these things is not like the other.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Like....Pete Gillen!!!!!

Yeah thats a good thought.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mick Cronin is actually the betting favorite online to be Louisville's next coach. Mick Fucking Cronin.

Hes too close to Pitino, I'm surprised by this on many fronts.

[Muskie]

Greg Christopher promoted. Overseeing HR , Marketing and remaining as AD.


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[markchal]

Isn't this the second major scandal at Louisville in the last few years? Couldn't they get decimated by this?

[Muskie]

Isn't this the second major scandal at Louisville in the last few years? Couldn't they get decimated by this?

If you were dealing with a real governing authority. Yes.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Isn't this the second major scandal at Louisville in the last few years? Couldn't they get decimated by this?

Second in the last few months. They just went on probation in June I think. The death penalty rule was made for just this but seems like most think the NCAA doesnt want to do that again after SMU.

[xu82]

Second in the last few months. They just went on probation in June I think. The death penalty rule was made for just this but seems like most think the NCAA doesnt want to do that again after SMU.

Other than post-season bans, what kind of punishment is available? In football it would cost you scholarships, but the rosters are so much bigger. What is reasonable to expect? I want them sufficiently crippled to make the job VERY unappealing, if you know what I mean....

[XMuskieFTW]

Other than post-season bans, what kind of punishment is available? In football it would cost you scholarships, but the rosters are so much bigger. What is reasonable to expect? I want them sufficiently crippled to make the job VERY unappealing, if you know what I mean....

My guess is two postseason bans(maybe just one) and 3-4 scholarships less for 4 years.

[XUhockey99]

In the UofL coaching search, my hope is that Louisville will want to steer clear of anyone who has coached directly with someone who's already been arrested... therefore eliminating Mack because he was on the Xavier staff with Richardson. Ha.

[XUGRAD80]

Recruits are already decommiting...two today

[xu82]

Recruits are already decommiting...two today

It's a nice start...

[Muskie]

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/09/27/who-will-louisville-hire-to-replace-rick-pitino-its-tougher-than-you-think-to-answer/

[smileyy]

My guess is two postseason bans(maybe just one) and 3-4 scholarships less for 4 years.

I'd rather see a looooong tournament ban -- I think that would impact their bottom line and drive recruits away more than a short tournament ban and reduction on scholarships would. They'll always have access to the top-tier guys even with reduced scholarships.

[Masterofreality]

There are going to be A LOT of players decommitting and back on the market.
Maybe we can pick up a couple clean ones.

[xu82]

There are going to be A LOT of players decommitting and back on the market.
Maybe we can pick up a couple clean ones.

That's obviously my hope, but the question is how do you know who is clean and will remain eligible? That's the risky and hard part, we we could use a few breaks here!

[XUGRAD80]

Recruits are already decommiting...two today

By the way.....this leaves Louisvillesucks with NO 2018 commitments


Can't imagine any top players heading their way either. It's going to take them a long long time to recover from this.

And....don't think this might not effect the football team down there either. Losing the AD puts the football coach on the hot seat because nobody else seems to be a big supporter of his. I imagine that he is already planning his departure.

[bjf123]

If you were dealing with a real governing authority. Yes.


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Sadly, the NCAA has no balls. That and there’s too much money involved for them to ever again use the death penalty against a D1 program.


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[GIMMFD]

They'll do the Baylor route and pick up an interim hire like Jim Grobe as everyone mentioned to earlier, someone older, clean, and who won't be a bother before trying to make the right hire. Louisville will definitely have some type of probational period, which might have opened the door a bit to our season, hypothetically if all the teams involved get a post-season ban, that knocks out 2 pre-season top 5 teams (Zona & UofL). Next step would be seeing exactly what the sanctions are before they begin the hiring process, Mack is obviously an attractive option, especially since he's already established himself in the coaching world. It's going to be a long damn season watching this all unfold.

[Juice]

My fear is that Louisville goes with an interim this year, which is a foregone conclusion, and then goes after Mack after guys like Trevon, JP, Sean, and Kanter are gone leaving a team that isn't a final 4 sleeper and he leaves.

[xu82]

My fear is that Louisville goes with an interim this year, which is a foregone conclusion, and then goes after Mack after guys like Trevon, JP, Sean, and Kanter are gone leaving a team that isn't a final 4 sleeper and he leaves.

That scenario is very concerning, so I will pray they get slammed with many, many years of post-season bans. This is a pretty nasty track record for them recently, which is a relief in some ways.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/blk_tray/status/913162201489326080

[xu82]

https://twitter.com/blk_tray/status/913162201489326080


That is AWESOME!

[paulxu]

Sadly, the NCAA has no balls. That and there’s too much money involved for them to ever again use the death penalty against a D1 program.


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Isn't Greg Christopher the chair of the Infractions Committee, or something?

[xu82]

The NCAA does not have the financial resources or the subpoena and wire tap authority the FBI has, and I feel like they've always been quite pleased that was the case. Look at all the dirty laundry right behind the curtain...

[IM4X]

My fear is that Louisville goes with an interim this year, which is a foregone conclusion, and then goes after Mack after guys like Trevon, JP, Sean, and Kanter are gone leaving a team that isn't a final 4 sleeper and he leaves.

Yup... I was thinking the same thing when I first saw, "Interim coach."


It sure sets up one potentially interesting scenario:

First, Mack takes a loaded "team 96" to the final four or beyond.

Then, Mack sits back as the dark side of the college basketball force comes in and tries to woo him in their sneaky and sinister way by offering him millions of their tainted dollars too sell his very soul and join their corrupt and evil Louisville empire as the new Sith Lord of their basketball program.

Or Mack could do the right thing: Pass on any seductive advances from the dark side of college basketball.. and stay at home with the good guys.

[murray87]

If Louisville isn't exhibit 1A for "lack of institutional control" then the overlords at the NCAA should just admit defeat and let the criminals have full control. College hoops will be just fine without those cheaters in the post season for the next 5 to 7 years. No program is bigger than the sport.

[flatspat]

That is AWESOME!

For those that do not have twitter, can you translate?

[bleedXblue]

If Louisville isn't exhibit 1A for "lack of institutional control" then the overlords at the NCAA should just admit defeat and let the criminals have full control. College hoops will be just fine without those cheaters in the post season for the next 5 to 7 years. No program is bigger than the sport.

Winner winnner, chicken dinner

If the NCAAA does nothing or attempts to sweep this under the rug considering this school has paid for prostitutes and paid cash for recruits, then they have no shame and no ability to lead anything

[xukeith]

I wouldn't be surprised if Louisville isn't the only major program looking for a coach by the end of the season.

So true. The college basketball world is about to explode.

All schools with shoe contracts are very tempted and who knows how many coaches were given to the temptation.
Jason Williams(TV-Former Duke player) announced that his agency paid Kevin Love's AAU coach $250,000.

It will get ugly and I hope heads role after all this scum and immorality in this sport gets exposed. Another example are some students in high school are juniors, then switch schools and become a senior in 1 semester.

It is a selfish and lying back padding culture of corruption and it is years of programs and coaches bowing with mercy.
Heck, Alabama's guy just resigned and he was director of NCAA ethics/ investigations.

FBI is showing these colleges all over the USA about corruption and rules broken

[xu82]

For those that do not have twitter, can you translate?

I don't have twitter, just click on the link. A picture is worth 1,000 words.

[flatspat]

I don't have twitter, just click on the link. A picture is worth 1,000 words.

thanks

[markchal]

If Mack takes us to the Final Four, he can go wherever he wants. We'll be fine, just like always.

[drudy23]

Pitino identified as Coach 2 who funneled the money - I guess he's still "shocked" about the allegations.

Scum of the earth. He may be staring down the barrel of the feds as well.

[GoMuskies]

Pitino identified as Coach 2 who funneled the money - I guess he's still "shocked" about the allegations.

Scum of the earth. He may be staring down the barrel of the feds as well.

This will save the university a lot of money. For cause termination will be open and shut if these allegations are true.

[LA Muskie]

Greg Christopher promoted. Overseeing HR , Marketing and remaining as AD.


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This doesn't sound like a promotion. It sounds like adding two more jobs. Hope he tripled his salary!


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[LA Muskie]

I don't see Mack leaving for UL if they are under significant sanctions or at risk of them. And I don't see how they don't get hit hard. The NCAA's hands are pretty tied here -- if they don't, they will be skewered for being complicit. Their self interest will require an extremely harsh penalty.


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[X-band '01]

aka "Failure to Monitor" on the NCAA's part.

[Snipe]

Pitino was set to make 7.8 million dollars this year. They may have the best arena in the country. You could get back here to Lunken on a private jet in a half hour.

He wouldn't have to sell his home or miss his friends. Still go golfing with his buds whenever he wants.

If you are his financial advisor, and they offered a 10 year 50 million dollar contract?

Louisville was always my biggest fear. It is a perfect fit for Chris Mack. It doesn't matter if they get the death penalty. $50 million in my hypothetical. Private jets. Rock Star. How does anyone walk away from that? How could we possibly compete with that.

As fans, we certainly have one year to show Chris Mack how much the Xavier family loves him. We need to do that. This is a special place, a very special place. Nobody knows that more than Chris Mack. We need to make it hard for him to leave.

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Also, I think that Sean Miller would be a perfect fit for Louisville. Lets try to start pumping up that argument. He needs a change of pace. He can come back closer to home. Get a pay raise. He has a higher coaching profile so he might meet the pedigree standards of the U of L fan base.

Sean gets some heat for not making a Final Four out there. He might be very welcome to changing the environment and resetting the clock. And it is a lot of money.

SEAN MILLER FOR U OF L!

[X-band '01]

You're making a big assumption that Sean Miller comes out of the Arizona mess unscathed.

[Snipe]

I know that, I am grasping at straws.

Sean Miller is perfect for U of L! Just keep saying it.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

A Louisville fan's reflections from The Wall Street Journal. (https://www.wsj.com/articles/rock-bottom-the-pain-and-shame-of-a-louisville-basketball-fan-1506606948)

(May be behind the paywall.)


Rock bottom: Sex and stripper parties (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ncaa-accuses-louisville-of-rules-violations-in-escorts-scandal-1476977148). Coach-orchestrated payouts of $100,000 to recruits. A soon-to-be revoked national championship. A money-losing, taxpayer-backed hoops arena. A school overrun by FBI agents and national media. A fired Hall of Famer in Rick Pitino. An entire city betrayed by a coach, a school and a system that profits from and exploits its loyalties.

It will be years, and perhaps a decade, before Louisville can rebuild itself. It even seems conceivable the program could suffer a “death penalty” that would shut down it for a few years. That sounds appropriate for what’s being alleged.

In that, today’s firings and humiliations feel unexpectedly relieving. For Louisville basketball there are no more expectations, nor more championship-grade dissembling. The rot of the basketball business will be pared away. And for a brief while, the game can just be a game.

Three years from now, there will be a new team with a new coach. It will probably be mediocre and success will be playing for an 11 tournament seed, not a 1. Will the program be what it once was? No. But in an odd way, hitting bottom may make the whole thing fun again.

Doesn't sound like the capstone of a career to me.

[Masterofreality]

Pitino was set to make 7.8 million dollars this year. They may have the best arena in the country. You could get back here to Lunken on a private jet in a half hour.

He wouldn't have to sell his home or miss his friends. Still go golfing with his buds whenever he wants.

If you are his financial advisor, and they offered a 10 year 50 million dollar contract?

Louisville was always my biggest fear. It is a perfect fit for Chris Mack. It doesn't matter if they get the death penalty. $50 million in my hypothetical. Private jets. Rock Star. How does anyone walk away from that? How could we possibly compete with that.

As fans, we certainly have one year to show Chris Mack how much the Xavier family loves him. We need to do that. This is a special place, a very special place. Nobody knows that more than Chris Mack. We need to make it hard for him!

That $7.8 doesn't count the $2.2 mil Pitino got paid directly from Addidas.

We've already made it hard for CMack to leave. He didn't even consider OSU and Indiana.

If he for whatever ungodly reason wants to take on a swamp at Louisville, we can't stop him.
I don't think money motivates him though. But time will tell.

[GoMuskies]

Money motivates everyone. But maybe a couple million is enough motivation for him. Who knows?

[D-West & PO-Z]

That $7.8 doesn't count the $2.2 mil Pitino got paid directly from Addidas.

We've already made it hard for CMack to leave. He didn't even consider OSU and Indiana.

If he for whatever ungodly reason wants to take on a swamp at Louisville, we can't stop him.
I don't think money motivates him though. But time will tell.

If he takes Louisville it wont be just because money. I think you are right money isnt his biggest motivation or he would be gone already. If he does take Louisville it will be for multiple factors not because all of a sudden money is his main motivation.

[sirthought]

It won't be just the money. If the school gets a heavy penalty there is still all of this:
- Mack gets paid extremely well to be in his wife's hometown, near his hometown. A town without pro teams to compete with.
- The expectations of winning will be curbed due to everything just to keep the ship afloat.
- Once the penalty is survived you still have a school with some of the best facilities in the country, in one of the best conferences, with one of the best media contracts, and some rich alums who will now make it their mission to bring back the pride of their alma mater.
- The history, although tainted now, will still be a selling point to recruits. They'll just know its a school where good players went, no matter their reasons.

Just coaching in the ACC, the school's resources, and the fact that there will be motivation to get things back on track would make any coach consider this.

[Snipe]

That $7.8 doesn't count the $2.2 mil Pitino got paid directly from Addidas.

We've already made it hard for CMack to leave. He didn't even consider OSU and Indiana.

If he for whatever ungodly reason wants to take on a swamp at Louisville, we can't stop him.
I don't think money motivates him though. But time will tell.


If he takes Louisville it wont be just because money. I think you are right money isnt his biggest motivation or he would be gone already. If he does take Louisville it will be for multiple factors not because all of a sudden money is his main motivation.

I love coach Mack and think he is a person with integrity who represents our University well.

I am not saying that money is his main motivation, or that all he cares about it money. It sounds so horrible when put that way. Truth is though, money is one of the best motivating factors there is. In fact if the pay was the same, I can't imagine Mack's name coming up at all right now. Louisville is in trouble. So in that sense, this entire conversation is about money.

Capitalism is a system where the price mechanism is used to allocate scarce goods and resources. In the system it is good to have a lot of capital resources. Everything you have was purchased with money. And if you want more stuff, you will need money to get it.

So Pitino was really making 10 million a year MOR. That is a lot of capital resources. It isn't just money. It is security for your family and extended family for generations.

Should college basketball coaches be making 10 million? I guess so. Boy that is a lot of coin. I can't imagine even trying to spend 10 million a year. I bet private jets are fun.

[smileyy]

A town without pro teams to compete with.

I'm confused as to how this doesn't apply to Cincinnati as well.

[Snipe]

It won't be just the money. If the school gets a heavy penalty there is still all of this:
- Mack gets paid extremely well to be in his wife's hometown, near his hometown. A town without pro teams to compete with.
- The expectations of winning will be curbed due to everything just to keep the ship afloat.
- Once the penalty is survived you still have a school with some of the best facilities in the country, in one of the best conferences, with one of the best media contracts, and some rich alums who will now make it their mission to bring back the pride of their alma mater.
- The history, although tainted now, will still be a selling point to recruits. They'll just know its a school where good players went, no matter their reasons.

Just coaching in the ACC, the school's resources, and the fact that there will be motivation to get things back on track would make any coach consider this.

No doubt no matter what happens it will be an attractive job.

That is why I want Sean Miller for it!

[muskiefan82]

I'm confused as to how this doesn't apply to Cincinnati as well.

Well played sir.

[Snipe]

I'm confused as to how this doesn't apply to Cincinnati as well.

Snap!

[kellernr]

Over on csnbbs the uc guys are saying X will show up on the FBIs list. They can't handle that X is just better than them

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[chico]

It won't be just the money. If the school gets a heavy penalty there is still all of this:
- Mack gets paid extremely well to be in his wife's hometown, near his hometown. A town without pro teams to compete with.
- The expectations of winning will be curbed due to everything just to keep the ship afloat.
- Once the penalty is survived you still have a school with some of the best facilities in the country, in one of the best conferences, with one of the best media contracts, and some rich alums who will now make it their mission to bring back the pride of their alma mater.
- The history, although tainted now, will still be a selling point to recruits. They'll just know its a school where good players went, no matter their reasons.

Just coaching in the ACC, the school's resources, and the fact that there will be motivation to get things back on track would make any coach consider this.

And more money from the shoe companies now that they aren't paying players anymore.

[Juice]

Over on csnbbs the uc guys are saying X will show up on the FBIs list. They can't handle that X is just better than them

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Because Nike officials are being investigated?

They think because they're UA now that they forget they were an Adidas school two years ago?

[Smails]

Over on csnbbs the uc guys are saying X will show up on the FBIs list. They can't handle that X is just better than them

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Can you provide a link? I've had a shit day at work and need a good laugh.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I hope Mack doesn't read this message board. You guys are making an awfully good argument for him taking the Louisville job. Geez.

Just kidding. I agree with what everyone is saying here...and I'll add that he would have low expectations for what 4-5 years...and if he cleaned up that program and turned it around (which I think he would), he would be considered a God in Kentucky.

I hope he stays...but for that kind of money? Not sure the circumstances at UL even matter.

[GoMuskies]

This is the second time Louisville has fired/forced out a basketball coach in 70 years.

[paulxu]

If Louisville isn't exhibit 1A for "lack of institutional control" then the overlords at the NCAA should just admit defeat and let the criminals have full control. College hoops will be just fine without those cheaters in the post season for the next 5 to 7 years. No program is bigger than the sport.

Louisville is exhibit 1B.
Exhibit 1A is UNC.

[JTG]

I hope Mack doesn't read this message board. You guys are making an awfully good argument for him taking the Louisville job. Geez.

Just kidding. I agree with what everyone is saying here...and I'll add that he would have low expectations for what 4-5 years...and if he cleaned up that program and turned it around (which I think he would), he would be considered a God in Kentucky.

I hope he stays...but for that kind of money? Not sure the circumstances at UL even matter.

He might be a God in Metro Louisville, only the UK coach is ever a God in KY.

[xudash]

The money might be too much to ignore, but a couple thoughts:

1. Getting home to be closer to Mom and Dad will always be trumped by what's best for your kids (school, friends, etc.).

2. Does he want to spend 5 prime coaching years in charge of a wounded duck that will be taking some beatings IF the penalties are real?

We shall see.

[Nigel Tufnel]

He might be a God in Metro Louisville, only the UK coach is ever a God in KY.

True...but if you've ever perused the UK boards, a lot of their fans point to Mack as Cal's successor. If Mack went to Ville and turned that program around...there will be a lot of UK fans saying they knew he would do it and lament him not being Cal's successor. Mack is highly thought of outside of Dayton and Clifton.

[Nigel Tufnel]

The money might be too much to ignore, but a couple thoughts:

1. Getting home to be closer to Mom and Dad will always be trumped by what's best for your kids (school, friends, etc.).

2. Does he want to spend 5 prime coaching years in charge of a wounded duck that will be taking some beatings IF the penalties are real?

We shall see.

If I could be guaranteed a raise at 3 times what I'm currently making and it results in my wife being close to home....no brainer.

Lame duck or lesser expectations than I have at X for 3 times the the yearly compensation.

All depends on what kind of cash Ville is willing to offer. I hate saying these things...but common sense dictates that if the money is there....

[Masterofreality]

I don't care anymore.

[xu82]

If I could be guaranteed a raise at 3 times what I'm currently making and it results in my wife being close to home....no brainer.

Lame duck or lesser expectations than I have at X for 3 times the the yearly compensation.

All depends on what kind of cash Ville is willing to offer. I hate saying these things...but common sense dictates that if the money is there....

I heard one knowledgeable person say he's so competitive he'd have a hard time accepting a position so crippled success would be hard to achieve. And I'd hope the post season ban is for many, many years. I'm clinging to all the positive thoughts I can find!

Oh, and we hate you too for saying them!

J/K

[GIMMFD]

I heard one knowledgeable person say he's so competitive he'd have a hard time accepting a position so crippled success would be hard to achieve. And I'd hope the post season ban is for many, many years. I'm clinging to all the positive thoughts I can find!

Oh, and we hate you too for saying them!

J/K

You can tell Mack is competitive, the man has passion and drive, but how much of that is because he's coaching at his alma-mater? Granted barring an awful season, Mack should eclipse the all time wins record at X this year, if he knocks down the door and gets us into the final four, he would become the most accomplished coach in X history. The story now changes to if he wants to be the one to get his alma mater a national championship or not, I think college basketball is more open than college football in that regards. It's possible for X to win a National Championship, however no matter how hard I try to slice it, it doesn't seem like WVU will win a National Championship in football. It's not like X isn't in a position to succeed.

Then you go to the Louisville argument with wife, family, and a prestigious program. The sanctions haven't been announced yet, but it's definitely an enticing job offer, Mack would make a minimum of $5-6mil there easily, that's doubling his X salary. Even without money being a major motivator, how many of us could turn down that offer? He's still close to Cincinnati as well. It's foggy to think about, I personally would love for Mack to stay here for the rest of his career, win us a couple natty's, and be enshrined as a God. However, there's just way too many factors at play currently to think this all through.

[Olsingledigit]

No doubt no matter what happens it will be an attractive job.

That is why I want Sean Miller for it!

SM is in the same soup. No chance they get anywhere close to him

[xu82]

You can tell Mack is competitive, the man has passion and drive, but how much of that is because he's coaching at his alma-mater? Granted barring an awful season, Mack should eclipse the all time wins record at X this year, if he knocks down the door and gets us into the final four, he would become the most accomplished coach in X history. The story now changes to if he wants to be the one to get his alma mater a national championship or not, I think college basketball is more open than college football in that regards. It's possible for X to win a National Championship, however no matter how hard I try to slice it, it doesn't seem like WVU will win a National Championship in football. It's not like X isn't in a position to succeed.

Then you go to the Louisville argument with wife, family, and a prestigious program. The sanctions haven't been announced yet, but it's definitely an enticing job offer, Mack would make a minimum of $5-6mil there easily, that's doubling his X salary. Even without money being a major motivator, how many of us could turn down that offer? He's still close to Cincinnati as well. It's foggy to think about, I personally would love for Mack to stay here for the rest of his career, win us a couple natty's, and be enshrined as a God. However, there's just way too many factors at play currently to think this all through.

I'm swayed by my personal opinion that Louisville should not be allowed into the NCAA tournament for AT LEAST 5 years. This is some pretty deep shit they have piled up. Now, could he take an extra $3 mil/year and wait it out? Sure. I can't even say what I would do. Time will tell...

[Backyard Champ]

You can tell Mack is competitive, the man has passion and drive, but how much of that is because he's coaching at his alma-mater?

Great point. He probably wouldn't care about winning and being successful as much as if he wasn't at Xavier.

[Cheesehead]

Louisville is a very attractive job normally but obviously we are not dealing with normal circumstances. I think the fear of the unknown would be enough to scare Mack off. There will be other jobs out there: NC, Duke? I hope he stays.

[GIMMFD]

I'm swayed by my personal opinion that Louisville should not be allowed into the NCAA tournament for AT LEAST 5 years. This is some pretty deep shit they have piled up. Now, could he take an extra $3 mil/year and wait it out? Sure. I can't even say what I would do. Time will tell...

I'm with you on that, they were already on probation, and the NCAA has looked very soft in handling things so far. This is as good as time as any to pull the death penalty. And for the ones who argue that the NCAA value money more than being right, remember that the tournament has it's deal with CBS locked up until 2032, the NCAA is going to get theirs regardless of whether Louisville is in the tournament or not. I don't see how the ACC would let that happen though, can you imagine some 5'8 Louisville sophomore walk-on going up against Duke? Who the hell would tune into that, but that's a complete different argument.



Louisville is a very attractive job normally but obviously we are not dealing with normal circumstances. I think the fear of the unknown would be enough to scare Mack off. There will be other jobs out there: NC, Duke? I hope he stays.

Definitely hoping for this as well. Though I think Duke will most likely be someone from the Coach K tree (possibly Wojo, Tommy Amaker maybe??), and UNC also following a different route. They seem like they have too much of "Elitest" alumni and fan bases for them to hire Mack, which is stupid as hell, but a plausible scenario.

[Masterofreality]

Tweet re U of L:

"It’s David Padgett for the job. I can confirm UofL never called Scott Davenport. @Bellarminehoops confirmed it to me moments ago."

That was from Drew Deener- ESPN Radio- Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

So Louisville has obviously hired an interim guy that has no chance at the permanent gig. That's going to keep speculation rampant all season.

[drudy23]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Padgett?

[GoMuskies]

Pardon my ignorance, but who is Padgett?

Former Louisville player. He has been an assistant at Louisville for a few years. Apparently not the one who helped get $100k to Bowen.

[drudy23]

Oh, OK...with the inference to Bellarmine, I thought maybe they gave it to their coach.

[GoMuskies]

Scott Davenport is Bellarmine's head coach. He was a high school coach in Louisville for a long time and was an assistant under Pitino at Louisville before he became Bellarmine's coach. His name was in the rumor mill as a potential interim guy.

[IM4X]

So Louisville has obviously hired an interim guy that has no chance at the permanent gig. That's going to keep speculation rampant all season.

Indeed.

[muskiefan82]

I'm a little shocked they went with an internal hire here. Seems risky. Better to clean house if possible

[Muskie]

I'm a little shocked they went with an internal hire here. Seems risky. Better to clean house if possible

Agree... but then again, maybe they had no choice but to go in-house?

[GoMuskies]

Agree... but then again, maybe they had no choice but to go in-house?

Practice starts tomorrow or Sunday, right? It would have been all but impossible to hire anyone who wasn't in-house.

[Masterofreality]

Practice starts tomorrow or Sunday, right? It would have been all but impossible to hire anyone who wasn't in-house.

And it's interim. Davenport is a helluva Coach with a D2 National Championship, but U of L in their hubris would think it's a step down to hire a guy from the lesser school in town.....at least now.

Let's see where they are after all the fallout occurs. Scott may be a legit option. My cousins went to Bellarmine and one played there. That guy can coach.

[ammtd34]

And it's interim. Davenport is a helluva Coach with a D2 National Championship, but U of L in their hubris would think it's a step down to hire a guy from the lesser school in town.....at least now.

Let's see where they are after all the fallout occurs. Scott may be a legit option. My cousins went to Bellarmine and one played there. That guy can coach.

An interim situation is obviously different, but the D2 to D1 move would scare me, too. Linc Darner hasn't really set the world on fire at Green Bay.

[GoMuskies]

Sure, but Davenport spent as much time as an assistant to Pitino at Louisville as Padgett has.

[X-band '01]

He's not winning regular season titles in the Horizon, but he did get Green Bay to the NCAA Tournament in his first season. His predecessor (Brian Wardle) never made the NCAA Tournament.

[MauriceX]

I haven't seen this posted yet, but Jeff Goodman posted an article today (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20859328/why-coach-why-not-sign-the-next-head-basketball-coach-louisville-cardinals) featuring anonymous quotes from coaches he has talked to about the Louisville job. I'd find it hard to believe one of the coaches he talked to wasn't Chris Mack.

Soooo... which quotes do we think are Mack quotes?

[xu82]

I haven't seen this posted yet, but Jeff Goodman posted an article today (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20859328/why-coach-why-not-sign-the-next-head-basketball-coach-louisville-cardinals) featuring anonymous quotes from coaches he has talked to about the Louisville job. I'd find it hard to believe one of the coaches he talked to wasn't Chris Mack.

Soooo... which quotes do we think are Mack quotes?

Very interesting. I'm sure he doesn't think a Final Four is far fetched, and he's not in his mid 50's. Who said he could never sniff a job like that?

[LA Muskie]

I'm obviously in the minority here but I really don't see Mack touching the UL job in the state it will be. And in that regard this very well may be our best case scenario for Mack: UL won't be a desirable job for at least another 4-5 years, if it even opens up again in Mack's career, and he passed on other opportunities this offseason that he otherwise might have considered (IU and OSU) that likely won't open again for a long time.


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[drudy23]

I think after this season, the Louisville job becomes VERY interesting for Mack.

[LA Muskie]

I think after this season, the Louisville job becomes VERY interesting for Mack.

You think he wants to take over a team that will likely self-impose a multiple year post-season ban, scholarship reductions, and recruiting limits while still having worse sanctions -- including the death penalty -- hanging over his head? The NCAA is going to have no choice but to go nuclear on them. It may not be the death penalty, but the difference will be negligible. UL was the job he wanted. But what will be left is not.


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[xudash]

You think he wants to take over a team that will likely self-impose a multiple year post-season ban, scholarship reductions, and recruiting limits while still having worse sanctions -- including the death penalty -- hanging over his head? The NCAA is going to have no choice but to go nuclear on them. It may not be the death penalty, but the difference will be negligible. UL was the job he wanted. But what will be left is not.


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+1

[Masterofreality]

You think he wants to take over a team that will likely self-impose a multiple year post-season ban, scholarship reductions, and recruiting limits while still having worse sanctions -- including the death penalty -- hanging over his head? The NCAA is going to have no choice but to go nuclear on them. It may not be the death penalty, but the difference will be negligible. UL was the job he wanted. But what will be left is not.


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+1


Plus 100.

[xavierj]

A successful coach with a ton going well for him, would have to be out of his mind to follow 2 hall of fame coaches and take over that mess. Louisville fans expect championships now regardless of the situation. The next coach will be a lame duck and fired within 5 years. You don't want to be the next coach following Rick who followed Denny Crum. See Indiana, Crean took over a mess, won a little, in 3 of last 6 years Crean won 29, 27 and 27 games and was canned. Louisville will expect more.

[drudy23]

If Louisville goes after an established coach, that coach will be in the negotiation driver's set. They will be able to demand a long, guaranteed contract, a chance to put their mark on the program from scratch, and will be paid better than 99% of all programs in the country.

It will be a HUGE opportunity that most, if not all, coaches will pay attention to, regardless of what comes down at Louisville.

They can pretty much write their ticket....and you rarely run across that opportunity in your career. That is why it will be so attractive even in a situation where you'd think no one would want to deal with it.

[LA Muskie]

Most coaches will have no interest in a job where they are prohibited from succeeding, regardless of the money.

And UL will have no interest in paying a coach at the top of the scale when he will be prevented from succeeding.

People don't seem to realize what UL is looking at in terms of the next few years. The program will be crippled.


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[xudash]

Most coaches will have no interest in a job where they are prohibited from succeeding, regardless of the money.

And UL will have no interest in paying a coach at the top of the scale when he will be prevented from succeeding.

People don't seem to realize what UL is looking at in terms of the next few years. The program will be crippled.


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Again, for the life of me, I don't understand why that is so hard to understand.

This isn't about gobs of money, and leverage and writing one's own ticket for life.

On the one hand, anyone who truly cares about their existing successful career would never step into such a mess. On the other hand, UL is truly dealing with a brand/image crisis right now. This is going to get very ugly for UL, and that is as it should be.

[GoMuskies]

A successful coach with a ton going well for him, would have to be out of his mind to follow 2 hall of fame coaches and take over that mess. Louisville fans expect championships now regardless of the situation. The next coach will be a lame duck and fired within 5 years. You don't want to be the next coach following Rick who followed Denny Crum. See Indiana, Crean took over a mess, won a little, in 3 of last 6 years Crean won 29, 27 and 27 games and was canned. Louisville will expect more.

Louisville has only forced out two coaches in the lifetime of basically everyone on the planet. One had been at the school for 30 years. The other had been there 16 and was only fired after the THIRD embarrassing scandal. Louisville isn't exactly in the habit of firing basketball coaches.

[SlimKibbles]

I bet (hope) Mack said this:
"Why take a risk when you're happy with what you have? Why go through all that when you don't have to?"

[Xavier]

I wouldn't be shocked at a 5 year ban/reduced scholarships. I think it would be closer to 3 year ban simply bc its Louisville. Regardless, after the ban I don't think it's a hard program to rebuild.

[bleedXblue]

Worrying about this now is pointless. We'll see how this shakes out. Either way I find it hard to believe that Maclkwill want to associate himself with whatever sanctions get imposed. He's got a great gig and is happy from all accounts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I hope you guys are right and they get hit really hard. What that means though I think is up for debate. I cant imagine they get banned from post season play for 5 years. I would be shocked. Not that they dont deserve it. Even with significant penalties I think Louisville will attract a talented coach. Too hard to tell with so much up in the air though. Who knows how long it will even take to figure out the penalties.

[LA Muskie]

I understand the NCAA's history forces people to doubt they'll be hard on UL. But this will become about the NCAA's survival itself. Which means UL will become its sacrificial lamb.


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[Snipe]

What is the strongest penalty given out to any program since 2,000?

Schools usually fall on the sword and self impose things.

Louisville is going to clean house. New AD, New Coach. That is the best way to change the culture, and that counts for a lot. Say they agree to self impose a three year tourney ban and some scholarship reductions for up to five years that phase out.

Would it make Louisville less attractive? The new coach would get there next year, with only 2 years left on the ban. And his first recruits would be coming in the next year, with only 1 year left on the ban. Not to daunting for a frosh unless you wanna be 1 and done.

It seems like this kind of trouble necessitates a long contract. I would want 10 years. They will also be pressured to hire someone perceived as clean. They will likely be paying a substantial premium in compensation.

I don't see how any of those factors is good for us.

Should Louisville be punished more severely? I think so. But what is the precedent?

[Muskie]

What is the strongest penalty given out to any program since 2,000?

Schools usually fall on the sword and self impose things.

Louisville is going to clean house. New AD, New Coach. That is the best way to change the culture, and that counts for a lot. Say they agree to self impose a three year tourney ban and some scholarship reductions for up to five years that phase out.

Would it make Louisville less attractive? The new coach would get there next year, with only 2 years left on the ban. And his first recruits would be coming in the next year, with only 1 year left on the ban. Not to daunting for a frosh unless you wanna be 1 and done.

It seems like this king of trouble necessitates a long contract. I would want 10 years. They will also be pressured to hire someone perceived as clean. They will likely be paying a substantial premium in compensation.

I don't see how any of those factors is good for us.

Should Louisville be punished more severely? I think so. But what is the precedent?

The precedent is SMU paying players. There aren't any other more recent examples that I can think of that are comparable.

[X-band '01]

What is the strongest penalty given out to any program since 2,000?

Schools usually fall on the sword and self impose things.

Louisville is going to clean house. New AD, New Coach. That is the best way to change the culture, and that counts for a lot. Say they agree to self impose a three year tourney ban and some scholarship reductions for up to five years that phase out.

Would it make Louisville less attractive? The new coach would get there next year, with only 2 years left on the ban. And his first recruits would be coming in the next year, with only 1 year left on the ban. Not to daunting for a frosh unless you wanna be 1 and done.

It seems like this kind of trouble necessitates a long contract. I would want 10 years. They will also be pressured to hire someone perceived as clean. They will likely be paying a substantial premium in compensation.

I don't see how any of those factors is good for us.

Should Louisville be punished more severely? I think so. But what is the precedent?

2003 Baylor Basketball Scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_basketball_scandal)

As I alluded to earlier, Baylor had a shortened schedule in 2005-06 where they only played a conference schedule (no noncon games). They were allowed to participate in the Big 12 Tournament but lost their opener. Don't expect to see a "SMU death penalty" sentence because it would also penalize other schools if there are TV blackouts or holes in the conference schedule that are involved.

[X-band '01]

The precedent is SMU paying players. There aren't any other more recent examples that I can think of that are comparable.

Not just paying players, but they had previous major infractions and a coverup that involved their athletic department, the University President and Board of Trustees.

[Snipe]

Kentucky's Basketball Program And 2 Players Heavily Penalized (http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/20/sports/kentucky-s-basketball-program-and-2-players-heavily-penalized.html?mcubz=3)
By WILLIAM C. RHODEN, Special to The New York Times
Published: May 20, 1989


LEXINGTON, Ky., May 19— The National Collegiate Athletic Association today placed the University of Kentucky's basketball program on probation for three years for recruiting and academic violations, and took the unusual step of banning one Kentucky player, Eric Manuel, from further N.C.A.A. competition. Another player, Chris Mills, was barred from playing at Kentucky.

The ruling bars Kentucky from post-season competition in 1990 and 1991 and from playing in televised games next season. In addition, Kentucky will be limited to three basketball scholarships in each of the next two years.

Kentucky was paying players. Cash fell out of an envelope. I think lots of players have been getting paid in the NCAA.

It appears that Louisville could self impose harsher sanctions than that and still work out fine.

And the guy who was brought in to right the ship at UK? Rick Pitino.

Looks like we came full circle.

[Snipe]

2003 Baylor Basketball Scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_basketball_scandal)

As I alluded to earlier, Baylor had a shortened schedule in 2005-06 where they only played a conference schedule (no noncon games). They were allowed to participate in the Big 12 Tournament but lost their opener. Don't expect to see a "SMU death penalty" sentence because it would also penalize other schools if there are TV blackouts or holes in the conference schedule that are involved.

Thanks for the reply. I read the link but still a little confused as to how many seasons they were banned from the tournament. Is it two or three?

It does appear that it hurt Baylor, but Baylor is doing alright today. And Baylor is not Louisville. Just like when Kentucky got probation, there is very little question that Louisville will be a major player when all of this is over. It is hard to imagine it any other way.

[muskiefan82]

I may have to get this shirt2203

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214638566377570&set=p.10214638566377570&type=3&theater

[Muskie]

Pitino says he will be vindicated (Link (http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/02/suspended-louisville-coach-rick-pitino-ill-be-vindicated/)).

[GoMuskies]

Pitino says he will be vindicated (Link (http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/02/suspended-louisville-coach-rick-pitino-ill-be-vindicated/)).

Shit's going to get U-G-L-Y down there. They ain't got not alibi.

[X-ceptional]

What a dope. Even if he "had nothing to do with it" (I almost hurt myself rolling my eyes so hard just by typing that), how would he be vindicated? Not being involved isn't enough when you are the head of an organization. Not being involved isn't an excuse if you are in charge and are unable to control (or otherwise simply refuse to maintain accountability) of those working under you. Again, I don't believe he had nothing to do with it, but his continued protests that he was in the dark on this (and on prior happenings), as if that matters, show how out of touch he is. He expects people to believe this line of bull?

[Snipe]

Didn't take him long to put the house for sale and leave Kentucky.

Feels like a rat leaving a sinking ship. He has extricated himself from the crime scene. An excellent choice for a man with means I guess.

[X-band '01]

Thanks for the reply. I read the link but still a little confused as to how many seasons they were banned from the tournament. Is it two or three?

It does appear that it hurt Baylor, but Baylor is doing alright today. And Baylor is not Louisville. Just like when Kentucky got probation, there is very little question that Louisville will be a major player when all of this is over. It is hard to imagine it any other way.

Penalties Self-Imposed by Baylor (in 2 phases):

Ban on 2003-04 Postseason Play
Initial 2-Year Probation from 2003-04 to 2004-05
Additional 1-Year Probation up to 2005-06
Reduced Scholarships and Recruiting Visits from 2004-05 to 2005-06
Eliminated 1 Exhibition Game for 2004-05 Season

Penalties Imposed by the NCAA in 2005:

Extension of Probation to the 2009-10 Season
2005-06 Season reduced to conference games (which meant they conceivably could win the Big 12 but not play any further games beyond that point)
Reduction to 9 Paid Recruiting Visits for the 2006-07 season

In short, they had postseason bans for 2 seasons, although only 1 was explicitly outlined.

[xu82]

Pitino says he will be vindicated (Link (http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/02/suspended-louisville-coach-rick-pitino-ill-be-vindicated/)).

...and OJ is going to find the killer!

[GoMuskies]

Pitino's lawyers have notified Louisville of a breach of contract claim today (unclear whether it is just a notice letter or an actual complaint).

Att he same time, the Louisville Athletics Association voted unanimously to terminate Pitino for cause (recall that he's currently on leave). There's a 10 day process before any of this can become official.

[GoMuskies]

This shit gets more and more strange. One of David Padgett's assistants at Louisville might end up being...Denny Crum. Mind. Blown.

[Masterofreality]

Pitino's lawyers have notified Louisville of a breach of contract claim today (unclear whether it is just a notice letter or an actual complaint).

Att he same time, the Louisville Athletics Association voted unanimously to terminate Pitino for cause (recall that he's currently on leave). There's a 10 day process before any of this can become official.

Louisville says it owes Pitino $11,000. Pitino says he's owed $44 million.

Glad they're so close.

[xu82]

Louisville says it owes Pitino $11,000. Pitino says he's owed $44 million.

Glad they're so close.


I got this.... Split the difference, give me 10% and call it a day!

[bleedXblue]

This shit gets more and more strange. One of David Padgett's assistants at Louisville might end up being...Denny Crum. Mind. Blown.

that is not possible. nothing says we don't trust this guy more than bringing back an 80 year old ex coach

[GoMuskies]

that is not possible. nothing says we don't trust this guy more than bringing back an 80 year old ex coach

Would really be no different than what Keady did at St. Johns. Plus, Padgett is going to be short at least one assistant, and there aren't really assistants available at this point. If he's physically able, Crum would make a ton of sense.

[GIMMFD]

Welp..

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/915017809775726592

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/915026419431956480

[paulxu]

Not being involved isn't enough when you are the head of an organization. Not being involved isn't an excuse if you are in charge and are unable to control (or otherwise simply refuse to maintain accountability) of those working under you.

It's working out OK for Roy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Louisville down to one coach. One wonders how they decided he wasn't dirty.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville down to one coach. One wonders how they decided he wasn't dirty.

They asked him. He pinkie swore.

[Muskie]

Pintino was getting 98% of the Addidas money that flowed into Louisville. (Link (http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/10/05/university-louisville-college-basketball-adidas-tom-jurich-rick-pitinio-money/730771001/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter))

In 2015-16, Pitino received $1.5 million from adidas from his personal services agreement while only $25,000 went to the athletic department, according to the Courier-Journal, which obtained the contract under a public records request. In 2014-15, Pitino again received $1.5 million, but the school pocketed just $10,000.