FBI has arrested several NCAA asst. basketball coaches in a corruption scheme.

[scoscox]

basketball is much more reliant on individual players than football. simple as that

[xubrew]

Yeah, Kansas has some splainin' to do....

[Muskie]

Pitino and Louisville also settled their disputes today. No money to Rick. But he does get to put resigned on his resume now, instead of fired. He'll be coaching again soon.

[GoMuskies]

Pitino and Louisville also settled their disputes today. No money to Rick. But he does get to put resigned on his resume now, instead of fired. He'll be coaching again soon.

This happened like a week ago. Pitino got every penny he deserved in my estimation. Changing his termination from fired to resigned should help as long as his intended next employer has spent the least five years under a rock and doesn't have access to the Internet.

[xubrew]

I was a crazy huge Louisville fan growing up. I'm not back to being a fan by any means, but now that Pitino and Petrino are gone I don't despise them nearly as much. Beating them in the NCAA Tournament, even though it was just a Round of 64 game and not a game in the later rounds, is probably still one of my two or three favorite Xavier wins of all time. It was great!!

[bobbiemcgee]

https://247sports.com/Article/Michael-Avenatti-trial-Nike-payments-to-players-Deandre-Ayton-Bol-Bol-Brandon-McCoy-143312966/

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://247sports.com/Article/Michael-Avenatti-trial-Nike-payments-to-players-Deandre-Ayton-Bol-Bol-Brandon-McCoy-143312966/

That can't be good for Sean Miller. Unless its possible he had nothing to do with it or knowledge of it but I would find that hard to believe.

[waggy]

Of course Sean knows, because everyone in the game knows. But payments from Nike isn't the same as payments from Arizona.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Of course Sean knows, because everyone in the game knows. But payments from Nike isn't the same as payments from Arizona.

Then why was Rick Pitino fired?

Payments regardless of who from matter if the coach knows.

[waggy]

I don't know why Pitino was fired.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't know why Pitino was fired.

Because he was aware Adidas was paying his recruits to go to Louisville.

[waggy]

So Louisville has higher standards than Arizona...

[D-West & PO-Z]

So Louisville has higher standards than Arizona...

I guess we'll see now.....

[Xville]

Because he was aware Adidas was paying his recruits to go to Louisville.

No. He was fired because he already had the karenbsypher

[Xville]

Because he was aware Adidas was paying his recruits to go to Louisville.

No. He was fired because he already had the karenbsypher thing, then the strippers, and then the adidas Brian Bowen thing. It was just too much, whether he knew or not didnt matter at that point.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No. He was fired because he already had the karenbsypher thing, then the strippers, and then the adidas Brian Bowen thing. It was just too much, whether he knew or not didnt matter at that point.

Yeah it was a culmination but the other two he survived, I guess maybe without those he would have survived that one thing? Was the AD fired because he wouldnt fire Pitino? I forget?

[xcellentx]

Yeah it was a culmination but the other two he survived, I guess maybe without those he would have survived that one thing? Was the AD fired because he wouldnt fire Pitino? I forget?

Almost any other coach would have been fired for either one of the things that happened under Pitino. With Pitino he either A: didn't know about these issues, which is damning because it shows he his hiring the wrong people and has no oversight, or B: knew about these issues and condoned them which means you can't possibly bring him back.

[Xville]

Yeah it was a culmination but the other two he survived, I guess maybe without those he would have survived that one thing? Was the AD fired because he wouldnt fire Pitino? I forget?

Yeah he absolutely would have been fine if this had been the only issue. There is no clear cut evidence that Pitino knew.

Rumor about jurich is that he was fired because he would not fire pitino but again I think it's just a culmination of all of the things. A lot of things have come out about jurich since he was fired, which is why hes not been hired anywhere else.

[Masterofreality]

So after all of this, is there any regret from anyone here that Xavier didn't rehire Sean Miller?

Note: Despite my years of rancor calling Sean the Desert Raccoon after his departure, the stand up way he congratulated Xavier after the Sweet 16 game two years ago and the stories of how he tried to dissuade Mack, I would have hired Sean back in a minute. I always liked him when he coached us. Was just upset that he went against his wife's desire to stay in Cincinnati and the Lexus/Buick comment. I have no remaining anti-Sean feelings, except that X HAS to get to the Final 4 before he or Mack do. I still have many bad feelings toward Beaknose however.

[Xville]

So after all of this, is there any regret from anyone here that Xavier didn't rehire Sean Miller?

Meh. Nothing will happen to him, and he is still the best coach x has ever had to this point. Maybe Steele will one day surpass him.

[Xavgrad08]

HBO has a documentary coming out this March about the Scandal. The documentary will not be good for Sean. https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/christian-dawkins-in-hbo-doc-you-can-t-separate-ua/article_6763d23c-68b3-11ea-8058-0b9ba81057f6.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

[XU 87]

HBO has a documentary coming out this March about the Scandal. The documentary will not be good for Sean. https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/christian-dawkins-in-hbo-doc-you-can-t-separate-ua/article_6763d23c-68b3-11ea-8058-0b9ba81057f6.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Can someone explain why Arizona and Louisville aren't on probation? How are Sean Miller and Pitino still coaching?

What a joke.

[drudy23]

Can someone explain why Arizona and Louisville aren't on probation? How are Sean Miller and Pitino still coaching?

What a joke.

Exactly - these weren't tiny infractions. These were major types of violations.

The shoe has to drop at some point, right?

[bleedXblue]

My theory and I think it's of high probability is that if the NCAA takes some of these guys down, they are going to talk and expose many, many more programs and coaches that are doing very similar things.

[JTG]

My theory and I think it's of high probability is that if the NCAA takes some of these guys down, they are going to talk and expose many, many more programs and coaches that are doing very similar things.

So, Too Big to Fail ? My contention is they should bounce these guys out of Bball. And unload Self and Ole Roy while they're at it. The vast majority of fans would still be invested in NCAA BBall, and the Tournament would go one with great success.

[XU 87]

Based on Pitino getting hired by Iona, it appears that Iona isn't too concerned that something is going to happen to Pitino, or at least anytime soon. Incredible.

[bleedXblue]

So, Too Big to Fail ? My contention is they should bounce these guys out of Bball. And unload Self and Ole Roy while they're at it. The vast majority of fans would still be invested in NCAA BBall, and the Tournament would go one with great success.

I mean EVERYONE is cheating to a certain degree or extent. Some more than others.........

[Xville]

I mean EVERYONE is cheating to a certain degree or extent. Some more than others.........

And it will continue to happen just as it has happened for decades and decades. There's never really any repercussions...I mean some stuff here and there but overall it pays to cheat and it pays handsomely. Not saying it's right, but it's the case. I'm sure schools are still cheating their asses off as we speak

[bleedXblue]

And it will continue to happen just as it has happened for decades and decades. There's never really any repercussions...I mean some stuff here and there but overall it pays to cheat and it pays handsomely. Not saying it's right, but it's the case. I'm sure schools are still cheating their asses off as we speak

Its really organized crime if you think about it and the NCAA is the Godfather.

[XU 87]

Maybe something is being done after all:

https://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/arizona-among-several-schools-still-waiting-to-hear-ncaa-s/article_dabee8b4-b6d3-52d5-87e5-87ab246c2609.html

[Masterofreality]

Welp.

Louisewer missed another NCAA Tournament. That's one less year of Mack's "7 year plan". He's 0-1 since going south.

[murray87]

Sean has to be squirming just a bit:

Another wiretap played in the documentary has Dawkins asking Miller about Naz Reid, a former UA recruiting target. Miller implies that Reid may be mentioning Arizona in an attempt to leverage a better offer somewhere else.

"He's going to LSU," Miller says. "We're not even bringing him in on a visit. That's all (expletive). I'm looking at our recruiting board and he's not even on it. I've never talked to the kid. All this (expletive) hype (expletive) on the phone, it's stupid. He is probably saying, 'You know what? (Expletive) you. I don't want 75. I want 120. I may go to Arizona.' That's all that was."

[xudash]

Sean has to be squirming just a bit:

Another wiretap played in the documentary has Dawkins asking Miller about Naz Reid, a former UA recruiting target. Miller implies that Reid may be mentioning Arizona in an attempt to leverage a better offer somewhere else.

"He's going to LSU," Miller says. "We're not even bringing him in on a visit. That's all (expletive). I'm looking at our recruiting board and he's not even on it. I've never talked to the kid. All this (expletive) hype (expletive) on the phone, it's stupid. He is probably saying, 'You know what? (Expletive) you. I don't want 75. I want 120. I may go to Arizona.' That's all that was."

Ouch.

[Lamont Sanford]

How are these guys still employed??? I guess Sean can thank the China Virus for keeping the NCAA folks distracted.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Wow I had no idea the mouth on Sean! Do they all talk like that? I also thought Christian Dawkins could have acted a little more professional during the interview but I guess I’m just getting old. Sean is a total dbag which has me wondering just how many other dbags we had? I got to believe Beak Nose was a dbag as well. After watching that documentary Miller should def have been fired but I guess the words money were never used and only numbers. Either way, he cheated which makes me believe Xavier cheats as well. That whole scandal seemed to be all a setup to get one man and that was the “Prince” Pay these players please!

[xubrew]

Its really organized crime if you think about it and the NCAA is the Godfather.

When it comes to college basketball, I think the apparel companies, agencies, and coaches are like the Corleone family, and the NCAA is like the local traffic cop that's tasked with keeping them in line.

[xubrew]

Wow I had no idea the mouth on Sean! Do they all talk like that? I also thought Christian Dawkins could have acted a little more professional during the interview but I guess I’m just getting old. Sean is a total dbag which has me wondering just how many other dbags we had? I got to believe Beak Nose was a dbag as well. After watching that documentary Miller should def have been fired but I guess the words money were never used and only numbers. Either way, he cheated which makes me believe Xavier cheats as well. That whole scandal seemed to be all a setup to get one man and that was the “Prince” Pay these players please!

Yeah, pretty much.

[paulxu]

I don't get HBO, so can I ask anyone who saw the show...was there any indication that Miller's illegal actions started while at Xavier?

[xubrew]

I don't get HBO, so can I ask anyone who saw the show...was there any indication that Miller's illegal actions started while at Xavier?

There was no indication either way. It was really just a personal narrative of Christian Dawkins and what his own experience was. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[paulxu]

Thanks.

[xavierj]

I don't get HBO, so can I ask anyone who saw the show...was there any indication that Miller's illegal actions started while at Xavier?

Seriously? He may have cut some corners but no one was lining up to give 3 star and borderline 4 stars money. The big money is played at the top 10-15 recruit level. I think it’s one reason Chris Mack is struggling to get involved with 5 star top 20 guys at Louisville and the fan base is just saying he is not a good recruiter. He is getting bashed for his recruiting results and a lot of their fans say he needs to be reminded this isn’t Xavier. What ever that means. If Chris was a cheater, he would be reeling in top 15 guys.

[chico]

When it comes to college basketball, I think the apparel companies, agencies, and coaches are like the Corleone family, and the NCAA is like the local traffic cop that's tasked with keeping them in line.

An all they can do is arrest Cleveland State for jaywalking.

[JTG]

Staak was king of the f bomb. Pretty much every othersentence.

[Xville]

Seriously? He may have cut some corners but no one was lining up to give 3 star and borderline 4 stars money. The big money is played at the top 10-15 recruit level. I think it’s one reason Chris Mack is struggling to get involved with 5 star top 20 guys at Louisville and the fan base is just saying he is not a good recruiter. He is getting bashed for his recruiting results and a lot of their fans say he needs to be reminded this isn’t Xavier. What ever that means. If Chris was a cheater, he would be reeling in top 15 guys.

Pitino wasnt getting those kinds of guys either.

[GIMMFD]

Boy, that documentary was something else having just finished it. It seemed like such a shit show on every single level to be honest, I also don't think Christian Dawkins is a bad guy, but that's probably because of the way the documentary was filmed, etc. It's strange.