Bracketology 2018

[GIMMFD]

I think we're around a 90% lock for a 1 seed, Michigan State is out of the running, Duke is possible, they'd have to beat UNC and win the ACC Tournament however, Kansas may be in the running, but they also aren't showing well against Oklahoma State today which is possible. I have a good feeling we're going to be a 1 seed, even if we happened to lose to Georgetown/St. John's *knocks on wood* damn it feels good to be arguing about whether we're a one seed or two seed as opposed to getting in the tournament, huh?

[X Factor]

I think is pretty much a lock for a 1 seed. However, has there ever been a 1 seed NOT ranked inside KenPom's Top 10? Xavier sits at #15 overall due to their defensive efficiency ranking of #74.

That has me worried.

[AviatorX]

I think is pretty much a lock for a 1 seed. However, has there ever been a 1 seed NOT ranked inside KenPom's Top 10? Xavier sits at #15 overall due to their defensive efficiency ranking of #74.

That has me worried.

I mean...in this context, what difference does it make between a 1 or 2 seed?

[X Factor]

I mean...in this context, what difference does it make between a 1 or 2 seed?

Nothing really, but comparing Xavier to past 1 seeds, I don't think Xavier checks all the boxes besides winning, which is very important (duh).

Which ever bracket X is in, everyone is going to say that's the easiest bracket. Not that it matters.

[stammina0721]

Think what you want I just speak reality. MSU is done so they are now not a threat but Duke certainly is. Also that was a month ago and MSU had not lost since and would have picked up wins over Michigan and possibly Purdue still and would finish with only 3 losses so I said it was possible.

You know I have been doing this for a long time 20+ years and I have outscored everyone at the bracket matrix 2 out of the last 3 years and got all 68 teams right last year but what the hell do I know ?

And while your past experience is nice it has absolutely zero bearing on this year's committee. I say that because this is the first year of going to quadrants. The committee proved a month ago emphasizes the quadrant system and along with that the RPI over BPI Saragin, Ken Pom or any other system. Xavier checkmarks all of the boxes in that regard.

[kellernr]

Nothing really, but comparing Xavier to past 1 seeds, I don't think Xavier checks all the boxes besides winning, which is very important (duh).

Which ever bracket X is in, everyone is going to say that's the easiest bracket. Not that it matters.Only uc fans will say X has the easiest bracket . We could beat the top rated team from each seed line and bearkitten fans would say all those teams were overrated.

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[Snipe]

I mean...in this context, what difference does it make between a 1 or 2 seed?

We tend to lose to #1 seeds. If we are a #1 seed, we are in a bracket where we don't have to face a #1 seed, and the best other two seeds have to go through each other and two other teams just to face us.

#1 is by far the easiest path, but nothing is really easy come March.

Down with MSU!

Down with Kansas!

GO NOTRE DAME!!!

If we get the #1 of 1 seeds I want to be in the South, if it is up to us.

[X-band '01]

I think it would take a perfect-storm scenario for either Duke or Carolina to sneak into the 1 line, but it is certainly possible:

-X loses to Georgetown and gets a potential Tier 3 loss (St. John's would just be a Tier 2 loss)
-tonight's Duke-Carolina winner also wins Round 3 of their rivalry and beats Virginia in the ACC title game

[stammina0721]

Only uc fans will say X has the easiest bracket . We could beat the top rated team from each seed line and bearkitten fans would say all those teams were overrated.

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I would disagree here. Last year we were all thinking our bracket wad easier cause Gonzaga was the one seed. It was that reason that everyone had Arizona coming out of the West last year. It's X's first one seed ever and they just don't have the pedigree of the Dukes, Msu's and Kansas's of the world. Expect a one seed and expect to get disrespected next Sunday

[GIMMFD]

I would disagree here. Last year we were all thinking our bracket wad easier cause Gonzaga was the one seed. It was that reason that everyone had Arizona coming out of the West last year. It's X's first one seed ever and they just don't have the pedigree of the Dukes, Msu's and Kansas's of the world. Expect a one seed and expect to get disrespected next Sunday

True, there's still a big contingent of the casual college basketball fans that don't know much about Xavier, I'm okay with that. We have a team filled with scorers, and we have a team that can make some noise. Let's get this one seed, and try to secure the easiest path to San Antonio, hopefully we can pick up the tournament championship too, PS it was a good sign to see Tre having a good day away from Cintas, looks like he's going to key into March Trevon, which really elevates this team.

[AviatorX]

I think X is better than KU. That said, do I want to run up against them in the Elite 8 in Omaha in front of 90% KU fans? Not particularly.

[GIMMFD]

I think X is better than KU. That said, do I want to run up against them in the Elite 8 in Omaha in front of 90% KU fans? Not particularly.

I would take a match up with Kansas over Duke in Omaha though, I agree I think we're better than Kansas, and we match up better with them than Duke. I don't want a part of Duke in our region.

[AviatorX]

I would take a match up with Kansas over Duke in Omaha though, I agree I think we're better than Kansas, and we match up better with them than Duke. I don't want a part of Duke in our region.

I'm thinking Duke has a good shot of ending up paired with Nova in Boston. IMO Duke will be #5 on the s-curve and if we assume UVA is #1 in Atlanta they can't go there.

[X-band '01]

If Xavier goes Midwest, it's more likely they would have a path that goes through either Kansas or Duke/Carolina. Not both.

[X-band '01]

The Midwest would be much more preferable to potentially facing Gonzaga in the Sweet 16 in LA (although that could be a region of misfit seeds).

[STL_XUfan]

I think the committee will have their 4 number 1 seeds locked into their region before the ball tips on Wednesday. I think UVA is locked in Atlanta and Nova locked in the east. X and kU is the only real debate and the committee could value kU’s advantage in Q1 wins or ding them for multiple Q2 losses. Either way, I think our fate is sealed at this point regardless of BE tourney results.

[Juice]

I think is pretty much a lock for a 1 seed. However, has there ever been a 1 seed NOT ranked inside KenPom's Top 10? Xavier sits at #15 overall due to their defensive efficiency ranking of #74.

That has me worried.

Oregon was 12-13 a few years ago I think.

EDIT: Oregon was 12 in KenPom in 2016.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I may be numb from the outright Big East Championship win today. It may be the beer and bourbon...maybe the pen. But I’m pretty sure before the Duke/UNC game that Reece Davis and Greenberg said that as long as Nova isn’t in their bracket, they are picking X to the Final 4. Again...I’m not sure...but pretty sure that’s what those ESPN guys said.

And I agree with the concerns about X’s defense...but at this point, I say, suck it, Ken Pom. Hope X proves his analytics wrong too.

[RoseyMuskie]

If X had another loss or two, and was projected to be a two or three seed, would we be having the KenPom conversation? At this point, we know who X is, and I think it’s just a conversation for conversation sake. Nothing more.

[HenryMuto]

North Carolina is out of the picture just need Duke to not win the ACC tournament.

Remember I am saying all of this about other teams IF we don't win the BE tournament.

If we win the BE tournament there is a really good chance we end up #2 overall on the S-Curve now that Kansas went down and I assume we pass Nova if we win the BE tournament since they won't and will have lost another game.

[HenryMuto]

#8 seed Cleveland State shocks the nation and upsets #1 seed Northern Kentucky in the Horizon tournament.

[bobbiemcgee]

I may be numb from the outright Big East Championship win today. It may be the beer and bourbon...maybe the pen. But I’m pretty sure before the Duke/UNC game that Reece Davis and Greenberg said that as long as Nova isn’t in their bracket, they are picking X to the Final 4. Again...I’m not sure...but pretty sure that’s what those ESPN guys said.

And I agree with the concerns about X’s defense...but at this point, I say, suck it, Ken Pom. Hope X proves his analytics wrong too.

X seems to pick up their defense when it counts. The last 4 minutes of games. Yes, a little frustrating.

[Irishjohn68]

Can X lose the BE tournament and still be a #1 seed next Sunday?

[X-band '01]

As long as they don't stumble to Georgetown and as long as Duke doesn't win the ACC Tournament, I say yes.

[Irishjohn68]

Yeah Duke winning the ACC would be bad for X being a #1 seed.

[waggy]

A good showing at MSG and X gets Omaha, and Duke goes west. A bad showing at MSG opens the door for X to go west. That's the way I see it.

[xcellentx]

If X wins their first game, I think they will most likely be a 1 seed. Lose the first one Georgetown or St Johns and it gets interesting. Not sure a loss to Creighton or Providence would really hurt us. But it does all depend on what other teams do. If X, Nova, UVA, or Kansas win their tourney's, they will be a 1 seed, with UVA probably being a 1 no matter what. If both Nova and X get to the championship game, I think we will both be 1's almost no matter what else happens. I agree with Waggy that a good showing gets us a good region, a bad one is likely to either get us out west or a 2 seed.

[xcellentx]

I think is pretty much a lock for a 1 seed. However, has there ever been a 1 seed NOT ranked inside KenPom's Top 10? Xavier sits at #15 overall due to their defensive efficiency ranking of #74.

That has me worried.


KenPom Era 1 Seeds outside top10
2004 Stanford was 12
2005 Washington was 14
2016 Oregon was 12

This is just from going through the years and looking at the seeds, it is right there on the free site. Don't know what these teams were ranked before the tourney and might have missed one or two. It is kind of funny because it seems like most of the time KenPom's top 8 have the 1 seeds. But there are also a lot of highly ranked teams that don't line up or don't make the tourney. Like last year Florida was 5 in KenPom but 4 seed, with WSU being 8 in KenPom but a 10 seed. 2014 Tennessee was an 11 seed but 10 in KenPom. There were other weird seedings baded on the quality of the team.

KenPom is just trying to project quality of team without really projecting quality of resume. We are a little further down because we have played lots of good offense's and had lots of close games. But seeds are given out based on specific wins and losses. I think our defense will improve in the tourney a bit just because these teams won't have seen us before.

[stammina0721]

If X wins their first game, I think they will most likely be a 1 seed. Lose the first one Georgetown or St Johns and it gets interesting. Not sure a loss to Creighton or Providence would really hurt us. But it does all depend on what other teams do. If X, Nova, UVA, or Kansas win their tourney's, they will be a 1 seed, with UVA probably being a 1 no matter what. If both Nova and X get to the championship game, I think we will both be 1's almost no matter what else happens. I agree with Waggy that a good showing gets us a good region, a bad one is likely to either get us out west or a 2 seed.

There is absolutely zero shot at a 2 seed. The only conversation is we could drop to the West one seed with a loss in the first round at MSG. Besides that the one seed is a wrap. Every single team lost this week who is competing for a one seed. Metrically Xavier is on par or better than these other teams except for one stat which is Ken Pom defense rating. Xavier has zero quad 2 or quad 3 losses while every other team has them that you guys say might jump up.

If anything the committee has a hard time picking the fourth one seed. Virginia, Nova, X are locked in though. The body of work is just too good and other resumes just don't stack up

[xuwin]

X seems to pick up their defense when it counts. The last 4 minutes of games. Yes, a little frustrating.

I think Xavier's use of their long bench disrupts the flow of their game at times but pays dividends in the end. Xavier is always the fresher team down the stretch and free of foul trouble.

[stammina0721]

KenPom Era 1 Seeds outside top10
2004 Stanford was 12
2005 Washington was 14
2016 Oregon was 12

This is just from going through the years and looking at the seeds, it is right there on the free site. Don't know what these teams were ranked before the tourney and might have missed one or two. It is kind of funny because it seems like most of the time KenPom's top 8 have the 1 seeds. But there are also a lot of highly ranked teams that don't line up or don't make the tourney. Like last year Florida was 5 in KenPom but 4 seed, with WSU being 8 in KenPom but a 10 seed. 2014 Tennessee was an 11 seed but 10 in KenPom. There were other weird seedings baded on the quality of the team.

KenPom is just trying to project quality of team without really projecting quality of resume. We are a little further down because we have played lots of good offense's and had lots of close games. But seeds are given out based on specific wins and losses. I think our defense will improve in the tourney a bit just because these teams won't have seen us before.

I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. I think the Big East may be one of if not the best offensive conferences in the country. Hell the best scoring duo in the country is on our conferences 7th place team. Once we get outside of Big East teams your really going to see this team shine

[stammina0721]

With Kansas, Duke, MSU losing dont rule out Purdue for the 4th one seed if they win today. They have the chance to leapfrog both of those teams today

[X-band '01]

If Kansas and Duke/Carolina win their respective conference tournaments, they'll have racked up a slew of nice wins in the process. I can't definitively say Xavier would pass them without a Big East tournament title.

[bleedXblue]

If Kansas and Duke/Carolina win their respective conference tournaments, they'll have racked up a slew of nice wins in the process. I can't definitively say Xavier would pass them without a Big East tournament title.

Carolina has 9 losses. NFW they get a 1 regardless of how the ACC tourney plays out

[X-band '01]

If Carolina wins the tournament, they could have wins against Duke and UVa under their belts. Couple that with wins against Arkansas, Michigan, Ohio State, Tennessee, Clemson and Duke - they have to at least be discussed. I agree that it's hard to justify a 9-loss team, but the quality of their wins is pretty high.

[STL_XUfan]

It feels like every year we fall into the trap of putting too much weight on the results of the conference tourney. Don’t forget that last year Duke beat UNC in the semis and then won the ACC, the selection committee left UNC at 1 and duke as a 2. Could things change, sure. Is it as likely as the media and every fan base believes it is, probably not.

[paulxu]

This means absolutely nothing.

But...Nova played 3 road games OOC this year. Two of them were in Philadelphia.

[usfldan]

If Kansas and Duke/Carolina win their respective conference tournaments, they'll have racked up a slew of nice wins in the process. I can't definitively say Xavier would pass them without a Big East tournament title.

The best path for Kansas to the Big 12 title is Oklahoma (42 Kenpom,/ 36 RPI), TCU (22/20), and Texas Tech (10/21).
For Duke, it is Virginia Tech (31 Kenpom/51 RPI), UNC (7/6), and Virginia (1/1)
For North Carolina, it is Syracuse (51 Kenpom/42 RPI), Miami (36/25), Duke (3/4), and Virginia (1/1) - UNC is the #6(!) seed. I think that alone will be pretty hard to get past in order to earn a #1 seed in the national tournament.

Xavier's is St.John's (72/91), Creighton (27/34), and Villanova (2/2).

[stammina0721]

It feels like every year we fall into the trap of putting too much weight on the results of the conference tourney. Don’t forget that last year Duke beat UNC in the semis and then won the ACC, the selection committee left UNC at 1 and duke as a 2. Could things change, sure. Is it as likely as the media and every fan base believes it is, probably not.

Yes...i can't like this comment enough. Look 3 of the 1 seeds are wrapped up. Nova, X, Virginia are locks. The only spot up for grabs is the last one between Kansas, Duke and Purdue. At this point the conference tournaments will NOT effect the top 3 except X may jump Nova if they beat them. Virginia is locked into number 1 overall being 17-1 in the ACC with a ton of quadrant one wins. UNC has no shot they are out of the running

[HenryMuto]

The only #1 seed that is locked up is Virginia. I already see Duke on some people's brackets as a #1 seed today so your telling me if Duke is #4 overall and X is #3 overall Duke can't pass X ? Umm ok.

Also Purdue has had only 1 loss (at Wisconsin) since they were announced 3 weeks ago as a #1 seed. If they win today they will have 1 loss and if X loses in the tournament will have 2 losses since that day so your saying it is 100% lock that Purdue can't pass X ? I am not saying they will but it is in the conversation there isn't anything that is a lock about it which is what your saying.

Kansas despite 7 losses if they win the Big 12 tournament could move back up to #1 seed (some people had them as the #2 overall before yesterday's loss)

So if Purdue, Duke and Kansas all win their conf tournaments along with Nova winning the BE and X losing I am sorry that doesn't make it a lock. Not saying X doesn't still get it but it's insane to say it's a lock.

[stammina0721]

The only #1 seed that is locked up is Virginia. I already see Duke on some people's brackets as a #1 seed today so your telling me if Duke is #4 overall and X is #3 overall Duke can't pass X ? Umm ok.

Also Purdue has had only 1 loss (at Wisconsin) since they were announced 3 weeks ago as a #1 seed. If they win today they will have 1 loss and if X loses in the tournament will have 2 losses since that day so your saying it is 100% lock that Purdue can't pass X ? I am not saying they will but it is in the conversation there isn't anything that is a lock about it which is what your saying.

Kansas despite 7 losses if they win the Big 12 tournament could move back up to #1 seed (some people had them as the #2 overall before yesterday's loss)

So if Purdue, Duke and Kansas all win their conf tournaments along with Nova winning the BE and X losing I am sorry that doesn't make it a lock. Not saying X doesn't still get it but it's insane to say it's a lock.

I hope it happens now so we can wager it. X is a LOCK. You're not making your comments with blinders on. You are associating school names with your comments. If Duke or Kansas had Xavier's resume you would say they were a lock.

And yes, I know Kansas has more quad 1 wins than X. My only point is that if one of those schools was sitting at 27-4 and just won the Big East with a top 2 RPI then you would say lock. On the flip side if X had the resume of Kansas but just took a horrible quad 2 loss on the road you would say no shot at a 1.

[X-Fan]

I think Xavier's use of their long bench disrupts the flow of their game at times but pays dividends in the end. Xavier is always the fresher team down the stretch and free of foul trouble.

I agree with this. I like our depth, but am curious to see if Mack trims the rotation a bit in the Tourney. Doubt he will but sometimes the flow is ruined due to some lineup combos.

[GIMMFD]

I agree with this. I like our depth, but am curious to see if Mack trims the rotation a bit in the Tourney. Doubt he will but sometimes the flow is ruined due to some lineup combos.

I don't think he's going to trim it much if he does, he's gotten a good rotation down that'll help keep our guys fresh. It's great that Scruggs has came on in the end of the season and looked like the high quality recruit we signed, if these guys can get a few stops it's definitely a Final 4 team.

[stammina0721]

The only wrinkle I see is if we get match up with a big team then I could see Tyrique getting some more time. Besides that, I dont see much change

[HenryMuto]

ESPN needs fixing... no way Michigan is a 2 seed with a win and a 3 seed with a loss today.

Seth Walder
ESPN Analytics

Projected NCAA tournament seed depending on result of today's Big Ten title game...

Purdue w/ win: 1.0
Purdue w/ loss: 1.7

Michigan w/ win: 2.0
Michigan w/ loss: 3.1

[THRILLHOUSE]

ESPN needs fixing... no way Michigan is a 2 seed with a win and a 3 seed with a loss today.

Seth Walder
ESPN Analytics

Projected NCAA tournament seed depending on result of today's Big Ten title game...

Purdue w/ win: 1.0
Purdue w/ loss: 1.7

Michigan w/ win: 2.0
Michigan w/ loss: 3.1

The ESPN analytics dude bases everything off of their BPI rankings, which is obviously dumb. I could maybe see Michigan being a 3 seed if they win today. Can't at all see a 2 seed unless absolute chaos breaks out during Championship Week.

[STL_XUfan]

The only #1 seed that is locked up is Virginia. I already see Duke on some people's brackets as a #1 seed today so your telling me if Duke is #4 overall and X is #3 overall Duke can't pass X ? Umm ok.


Every bracketology site has a vested interest in making you think that things will swing wildly over the next 7 days. The more things move, the more traffic they will drive to their site. However, the selection committee doesn't seem to apply the same recency bias that many of these sites use during championship week.

[stammina0721]

Every bracketology site has a vested interest in making you think that things will swing wildly over the next 7 days. The more things move, the more traffic they will drive to their site. However, the selection committee doesn't seem to apply the same recency bias that many of these sites use during championship week.

This!!!

[HenryMuto]

Apparently every other team is intent on making sure X is a #1 seed before X plays a single game in their conf tournament.

MSU and Purdue are now out of the running to pass X up for a #1 seed.

North Carolina is almost for sure out now with 9 losses.

Kansas and Duke helped out this week with a loss this week and now are likely the only 2 teams that could possibly pass up X.

Auburn could be a long shot if they won the SEC tournament they were #5 overall 3 weeks ago but they have suffered multiple losses since the show so I don't think they could pass up X.

Looks like 5 teams for 4 spots

Virginia
Villanova
Xavier
Kansas
Duke

[OTRMUSKIE]

X is a 1 seed no matter what happens. Kansas can keep on losing and stay one? and nova lost twice and remained 1? X is 100% a one no matter what happens. They will not penalize x for losing in a tournament that doesn’t mean shit. Buy up your Pittsburgh hotels Bois because we are going to shittzburgh!!!!

[stammina0721]

Apparently every other team is intent on making sure X is a #1 seed before X plays a single game in their conf tournament.

MSU and Purdue are now out of the running to pass X up for a #1 seed.

North Carolina is almost for sure out now with 9 losses.

Kansas and Duke helped out this week with a loss this week and now are likely the only 2 teams that could possibly pass up X.

Auburn could be a long shot if they won the SEC tournament they were #5 overall 3 weeks ago but they have suffered multiple losses since the show so I don't think they could pass up X.

Looks like 5 teams for 4 spots

Virginia
Villanova
Xavier
Kansas
Duke

Please don't hurt your credibility by saying UNC is almost out of the running. They have been out for a bit now. No one seed is ever going to have that many losses

Auburn has a better shot under the perfect scenario and they may still not have a shot. Kansas is the team sucking hind tit and they need an early Duke loss. Neither will pass the top 3 though.

[stammina0721]

I personally think the quad 2 loss drops Kansas off the one line despite what the experts say

[American X]

No thank you to Michigan as the #4 seed in Xavier's region.

Duke has turned back into Duke, so I would not mind seeing them get the last #1 seed rather than the #2 seed across from Xavier. Caveat - that does not result in #2 seed Kansas in Omaha.

[waggy]

..that does not result in #2 seed Kansas in Omaha.

Kansas as a 2 in the midwest would be just fine imo. Creighton fans would make it at least a neutral court in Omaha. And the way Kansas is playing they might not even make it there anyway.

[Emp]

No thank you to Michigan as the #4 seed in Xavier's region.

Duke has turned back into Duke, so I would not mind seeing them get the last #1 seed rather than the #2 seed across from Xavier. Caveat - that does not result in #2 seed Kansas in Omaha.

Agree..Michigan is playing incredible D right now. Wagner will be a nightmare for out three headed Gorgon at center. I'd rather play Michigan State.

[Lloyd Braun]

Kansas as a 2 in the midwest would be just fine imo. Creighton fans would make it at least a neutral court in Omaha. And the way Kansas is playing they might not even make it there anyway.

So you think there will more Creighton fans than Kansas fans at an Elite 8 game between X and Kansas?

[Lloyd Braun]

X is a 1 seed no matter what happens. Kansas can keep on losing and stay one? and nova lost twice and remained 1? X is 100% a one no matter what happens. They will not penalize x for losing in a tournament that doesn’t mean shit. Buy up your Pittsburgh hotels Bois because we are going to shittzburgh!!!!

Is Pittsburgh really the most likely option?

[xu95]

Is Pittsburgh really the most likely option?

I think there is a better chance of us going to Detroit than Pittsburgh. All three sites are close, but in order of closeness to Cintas it is Detroit, Nashville, and Pittsburgh.

I actually booked hotel rooms in all three cities to be on the safe side. It is easy to do two cancellations on Sunday night.

I also already have my room booked in Omaha, so crossing fingers that we get the Midwest.

xu95

[THRILLHOUSE]

Agree..Michigan is playing incredible D right now. Wagner will be a nightmare for out three headed Gorgon at center. I'd rather play Michigan State.

Counterargument - Yeah Michigan looks really good right now, but they are a bad Free Throw shooting team, and heavily rely on 3 point shooting. So if they have an off night from distance, or continue to struggle at the line, an early exit wouldn't shock me.

[stammina0721]

Michigan and really just the Big 10 is garbage this year. Please give me as many Big 10 teams as possible. AAC UC and Wichita State have a better shot of going further than any garbage Big 10 team

[drudy23]

I think there is a better chance of us going to Detroit than Pittsburgh. All three sites are close, but in order of closeness to Cintas it is Detroit, Nashville, and Pittsburgh.

I actually booked hotel rooms in all three cities to be on the safe side. It is easy to do two cancellations on Sunday night.

I also already have my room booked in Omaha, so crossing fingers that we get the Midwest.

xu95

No one likes Detroit, and Pittsburgh is...Pittsburgh. I could live with Pittsburgh, but have no desire to spend a weekend in Detroit.

Hoping for Nashville.

[JTG]

So you think there will more Creighton fans than Kansas fans at an Elite 8 game between X and Kansas?

I thought I read somewhere the NCAA tics were part of Creighton season ticket pkg. Or at least they had access to presale.

[GoMuskies]

They'd certainly sell a lot to KU fans. But KU fans don't travel like Kentucky fans, either. Wouldn't be that bad.

[muethibp]

The one thing you have to be prepared for with respect to Nashville and Detroit is the possibility that the game is in the evening on Sunday. It used to be that the Sunday games were over by 7 at the latest and most by 5. Now the vast majority of games are 7 or after and you will my have an easy way back to Cincinnati after the game.

[Michigan Muskie]

Detroit works for me :)

[xu95]

I thought I read somewhere the NCAA tics were part of Creighton season ticket pkg. Or at least they had access to presale.

No way they were a part of Creighton's season ticket package. The NCAA gets the money for the tourney, not Creighton. As for a presale, anyone has access to a presale as long as they sign up on the NCAA's website. I got tickets when it was in KC last year because I put my name on a list with the NCAA. People in Omaha just like to watch basketball. It is very hard to even find tickets on stub hub for the Xavier game. That is why I have to sit in the nosebleeds each year.

I do not think they will be supporting Xavier. Those people hate us up there.

xu95

[xu95]

The one thing you have to be prepared for with respect to Nashville and Detroit is the possibility that the game is in the evening on Sunday. It used to be that the Sunday games were over by 7 at the latest and most by 5. Now the vast majority of games are 7 or after and you will my have an easy way back to Cincinnati after the game.


This is the only reason why Pittsburgh is appealing to me. I have secured Friday off from work and have told my boss that I will either need Thursday or Monday off. I would be able to let him know on Sunday.

xu95

[X-band '01]

The one thing you have to be prepared for with respect to Nashville and Detroit is the possibility that the game is in the evening on Sunday. It used to be that the Sunday games were over by 7 at the latest and most by 5. Now the vast majority of games are 7 or after and you will my have an easy way back to Cincinnati after the game.

I would say it's almost 100% certain to happen with Virginia and Duke (or North Carolina) more likely than not getting national TV coverage on CBS for Sunday afternoon in Charlotte.

[HenryMuto]

#8 seed Cleveland State 1 win away from the NCAA tournament!!!!!!!!!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont know about you guys but one of the worst draws we could get, imo, is a 1 seed out west with Arizona as the 4 seed. No thanks.

[AviatorX]

I dont know about you guys but one of the worst draws we could get, imo, is a 1 seed out west with Arizona as the 4 seed. No thanks.

You don't want the rubber match? I agree - would prefer to avoid Zona, Duke and MSU until the 8. Bring on anyone else.

[stammina0721]

You don't want the rubber match? I agree - would prefer to avoid Zona, Duke and MSU until the 8. Bring on anyone else.

Give me MSU all day. Most overrated team in the country

[paulxu]

Boston is only 40 miles further than Atlanta for Virginia.
Let's get the #2 1 seed, and convince them to go to Boston while we go to Atlanta.

(one can dream up crazy things under the influence of good bourbon)

[xu82]

Boston is only 40 miles further than Atlanta for Virginia.
Let's get the #2 1 seed, and convince them to go to Boston while we go to Atlanta.

(one can dream up crazy things under the influence of good bourbon)

That 40 miles ain’t nothin’! Give us Atlanta! Give them chowda!

(Bourbon can be good for the soul.)

[Juice]

Give me MSU all day. Most overrated team in the country

Possibly true but they have two lottery picks and a good PG with one of the highest ORatings in the country. They're an extremely balanced team with a top 10 offense and defense. Obviously X will have to play some good teams to make a Final 4 but I wouldn't exactly be looking for MSU.

[Musketeer15]

Pretty sure there is a rule where two teams from the same conference cannot be at the same location. If that is true Nova will be in Pittsburgh so knock that off the list as of now. Could be wrong though

[XUFan09]

Possibly true but they have two lottery picks and a good PG with one of the highest ORatings in the country. They're an extremely balanced team with a top 10 offense and defense. Obviously X will have to play some good teams to make a Final 4 but I wouldn't exactly be looking for MSU.Yep. Also, I think MSU is only overrated in the polls. In seed line, they will probably be placed appropriate to their resume. And then, they will probably be more talented than other teams on their seed line. I'd rather not face the most talented team on a seed line.

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[AviatorX]

Pretty sure there is a rule where two teams from the same conference cannot be at the same location. If that is true Nova will be in Pittsburgh so knock that off the list as of now. Could be wrong though

Definitely not a rule -- see UNC and Duke literally every year.

[usfldan]

Pretty sure there is a rule where two teams from the same conference cannot be at the same location. If that is true Nova will be in Pittsburgh so knock that off the list as of now. Could be wrong though

This used to be the case before they went to Pods- with the exception of the one time there were too many Big East teams to be able to do it and I think UC played UConn in the second round. Now, as long as they go to different sites for the Sweet 16, you can have two teams from the same conference at the same site.
Last year, Greenville had two ACC teams (Duke & UNC), two SEC teams (South Carolina and Arkansas), two Big East teams (Marquette and Seton Hall), and then two random teams (Troy and Texas Southern).

[GetUp5]

Give me MSU all day. Most overrated team in the country

You realize Mich State is 29-4 with the 4 losses being Duke, OSU, Mich x 2?

[paulxu]

Here's KPI's update through Sunday. I tend to trust him more than a lot of others, and hate to see Marquette just miss the cut line. Last one out.
Maybe that will be his one miss this year. I don't know if he'll update this after conference play or not.
Per his ranking us 4, that would mean LA I guess.
Creighton and Butler in the last 4 in, so could be susceptible to a bid thief.

http://www.kpisports.net/d-i_mbb/2018kpi-d1mbb/

[Xville]

You realize Mich State is 29-4 with the 4 losses being Duke, OSU, Mich x 2?

They are 3-4 against quad 1 teams...they beat purdue in conference once, that's it. They also have a win against unc back in November. Great overall record but the big 10 sucked this year, and they didn't do themselves any favors against the actual good teams. With all that said, they do have talent and can make a run...but this year's history doesn't seem to indicate that happening

[xu95]

Pretty sure there is a rule where two teams from the same conference cannot be at the same location. If that is true Nova will be in Pittsburgh so knock that off the list as of now. Could be wrong though

That rule is only for protected seeds being in the same region. They would have no problem putting both Xavier and Villanova in Shitsburgh because they wouldn't be playing each other.

xu95

[stammina0721]

You realize Mich State is 29-4 with the 4 losses being Duke, OSU, Mich x 2?

Yes I do but my eyes also dont lie to me. They have been struggling against inferior competition for a few weeks now. They just are not clicking for whatever reason. I would much rather play them than Duke, Arizona, or Gonzaga

[stammina0721]

Here's KPI's update through Sunday. I tend to trust him more than a lot of others, and hate to see Marquette just miss the cut line. Last one out.
Maybe that will be his one miss this year. I don't know if he'll update this after conference play or not.
Per his ranking us 4, that would mean LA I guess.
Creighton and Butler in the last 4 in, so could be susceptible to a bid thief.

http://www.kpisports.net/d-i_mbb/2018kpi-d1mbb/

Don't use that solely. I promise you right here and now Creighton and Butler are single digit seeds putting them comfortably in the field. A bad loss could drop Butler to a double digit seed but Creighton is fine.

[UCGRAD4X]

Yes I do but my eyes also dont lie to me. They have been struggling against inferior competition for a few weeks now. They just are not clicking for whatever reason. I would much rather play them than Duke, Arizona, or Gonzaga

I think this could also be said about Xavier for too many games this year. I suppose that would open us up to some legitimate criticism.

[muethibp]

Here's KPI's update through Sunday. I tend to trust him more than a lot of others, and hate to see Marquette just miss the cut line. Last one out.
Maybe that will be his one miss this year. I don't know if he'll update this after conference play or not.
Per his ranking us 4, that would mean LA I guess.
Creighton and Butler in the last 4 in, so could be susceptible to a bid thief.

http://www.kpisports.net/d-i_mbb/2018kpi-d1mbb/

Creighton and Butler aren't even near the bubble at this point. (Edit to say: Because they are both very safely in the field.)

[chico]

Bracket Matrix has Seton Hall as a 7, Creighton as an 8, Butler as a 9 and Providence as an 11.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com

[paulxu]

You know, I suspect maybe KPI will do another one before next Sunday.
And I admit he looks a lot off from the Matrix with his slotting of Butler and Creighton.

What I also know is that the committee will be using KPI as one of their guideline tools, and in the last few years he has been very, very accurate on who is in/out, and the best last year on coming closest to seed lines of the tools the committee will be using.

[DfinnsDog10]

Not sure if this is true, but doesn't the scheduling usually have the 1 seeds spread out to different areas with two playing on Thursday and the other two on Friday? (See last year) Unless Kansas lays an egg in the Big 12 tourney, we are almost guaranteed to play in Nashville and Kansas heads to Wichita. Nova in Yinzburg and Virginia in Charlotte have to be locks at this point. If Duke does squeeze in as the 4th one seed, it's hard to believe they get to play in Charlotte with Virginia there as well.

[GoMuskies]

UVA being in Charlotte has nothing to do with whether Dook could be there, too. Completely separate pods.

[paulxu]

OK then. Dance Card has us #2.
Go to Boston, Virginia...so we can go to Hotlanta!

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[xukeith]

OK then. Dance Card has us #2.
Go to Boston, Virginia...so we can go to Hotlanta!

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm
7 BE teams in too.

[xu82]

OK then. Dance Card has us #2.
Go to Boston, Virginia...so we can go to Hotlanta!

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

My dream outcome! If we can do the week before in Nashville, well.....maybe too much to ask for.... (But I’m a greedy gut in some ways.)

[Xville]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Newest is up for Lunardi...no thank you! Mizzou with a healthy Porter as the #8? UNC, Michigan State, UK as the #6, WVU as the #5. No no no.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Newest is up for Lunardi...no thank you! Mizzou with a healthy Porter as the #8? UNC, Michigan State, UK as the #6, WVU as the #5. No no no.

Yeah thats rough. At least UK, MSU, and UNC are all on opposite side so if we go through we'd ony have to meet one of them.

[letskeepitreal]

Yup this bracket sucks. I was complaining about seeing X in the West Regional in a Fox bracket but would take it over Lunardis latest bracket.

[SemajParlor]

What's the term I'm looking for? Oh yeah, NIGHTMARE bracket there.

[muskiefan82]

I want no part of Missouri from the 8/9 game. They are an unknown quantity with Porter back

[X-band '01]

If they win a couple of games in the SEC Tournament, they may well get a 7 or higher depending on who they beat.

[RoseyMuskie]

Nice movement on KenPom after that game: from 15 to 10.

[chico]

I'm really liking the CBS bracket.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

[dethwing]

That's what happens when you blow out a top 30 defense.

[GIMMFD]

I'm really liking the CBS bracket.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

That would be an amazing draw for us, I think we'd get out of that region for sure, I'd love for that to happen.

[HenryMuto]

#1 seeds don't seem locked up here

Bracketology updates: Duke, Kansas, Xavier vie for two No. 1 spots in NCAA Tournament

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/bracketology-updates-duke-kansas-xavier-vie-for-two-no-1-spots-in-ncaa-tournament/

[Grizzx12]

Anyone else think its absurd how far ASU has fallen since they were unbeatable early in the year? Seems like most lists have them out.

[letskeepitreal]

Anyone else think its absurd how far ASU has fallen since they were unbeatable early in the year? Seems like most lists have them out.

Same thing with Oklahoma.

[GIMMFD]

Same thing with Oklahoma.

Agreed, both of them just had melt downs. Poor ESPN, they can't circle jerk Trae Young in the tournament if he's not playing. Don't think either of them deserve a bid at this rate, insane to think they were both Top 10 in the country at some point. Just shows how much parity there truly is in college ball these days.

[Lloyd Braun]

If we lose in the BET and Kansas wins their tournament do they likely pass us? TIA

[Nigel Tufnel]

During halftime of Duke/ND...

Greenberg: I think Kansas and Duke are playing for a 1 seed. I don’t think Villanova and Xavier will both be 1 seeds...

Jay Williams: looks at Greenberg confused...”Why?”

[xu82]

I'm really liking the CBS bracket.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

Are you aware that Harvard calls themselves the Xavier of the east?

[xu82]

During halftime of Duke/ND...

Greenberg: I think Kansas and Duke are playing for a 1 seed. I don’t think Villanova and Xavier will both be 1 seeds...

Jay Williams: looks at Greenberg confused...”Why?”

Because Greenberg is incapable of actual thought? Just guessing....

[Olsingledigit]

I'm really liking the CBS bracket.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

Me not so much. Don’t like at all seeing Va Tech second up for us. They are a scary team with some great wins.

[GIMMFD]

During halftime of Duke/ND...

Greenberg: I think Kansas and Duke are playing for a 1 seed. I don’t think Villanova and Xavier will both be 1 seeds...

Jay Williams: looks at Greenberg confused...”Why?”

Greenberg is just an idiot, first Trevon isn't well known now this. Sheesh, the resume's speak for themselves. If we aren't a 1 seed winning the 2nd toughest conference in the country, I don't know what else we can do to ever to be a one seed. Let's just put it out of question and beat Providence tomorrow, and get round 3 with Nova. Sick of this crap.

[markchal]

Me not so much. Don’t like at all seeing Va Tech second up for us. They are a scary team with some great wins.

Va tech is one of the few teams outside the top 15 that scares me. Don't they shoot the 3 really well?

[Xavier07csm]

I actually think that if Kanas wins the Big 12 Tournament and Duke wins the ACC Tournament and Xavier fails to win the big east tournament, X could fall to the 2-seed line.

[X Factor]

I actually think that if Kanas wins the Big 12 Tournament and Duke wins the ACC Tournament and Xavier fails to win the big east tournament, X could fall to the 2-seed line.

They're coming out of the woodwork. Three posts in 8 years.

However, I think Xavier is locked in as a 1 seed.

[X-band '01]

They're coming out of the woodwork. Three posts in 8 years.

However, I think Xavier is locked in as a 1 seed.

I don't think that's an unfair assessment - as long as Xavier controls their own house, they'll be a #1. North Carolina could win the ACC but wouldn't have enough in the bank to overtake Xavier for a 1.

[HenryMuto]

Rooting for Virginia to win the ACC tournament. Rooting for North Carolina to beat Duke. Rooting for anyone to beat Kansas.

Got to beat Providence of course as well.

If Duke wins the ACC tournament they will almost for sure pass X up if X don't win the BE tournament.

So now your looking at a situation where it comes down to X vs Kansas for the final 1 seed.

Virginia, Nova, Duke would be your top 3 #1 seeds most likely in that situation.

So again those who think X is a lock for a 1 seed think again.

[JTG]

CBS has an interesting theory that losing to Providence is less harmful to a #1 seed, than beating them and losing to Villanova for a third time. Interesting dilemma.

[XUFan09]

If Duke wins the ACC tournament they will almost for sure pass X up if X don't win the BE tournament.



This is not nearly as likely as you make to out to be. It's far from impossible, but "almost for sure"? Come on.

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[OTRMUSKIE]

If nova loses to butler and x loses to padres nova will stay a one no matter what. But I can see x losing their top seed if duke wins out. Total BS but it’s DUKE and we are X. East coast BS.

[paulxu]

So...you're saying there's a chance Xavier could be in Atlanta?

[94GRAD]

So...you're saying there's a chance Xavier could be in Atlanta?

NO!

[muskiefan82]

Remember when Auburn was vying for a #1 seed? Me neither. Boatraced by Bama in the second half. Hope the Auburn guys don't storm the locker room.

[GIMMFD]

If nova loses to butler and x loses to padres nova will stay a one no matter what. But I can see x losing their top seed if duke wins out. Total BS but it’s DUKE and we are X. East coast BS.

Yeah but that also depends on Kansas winning the Big 12 tournament which isn't a guarantee either, especially with Azubike out for them. There's a couple factors, Duke winning the ACC, how our tournament shapes out, and Kansas winning the Big 12.

[muethibp]

NO!


Remember when Auburn was vying for a #1 seed? Me neither. Boatraced by Bama in the second half. Hope the Auburn guys don't storm the locker room.

I assume this result means the end of Auburn being a team the committee worries of protecting. Which opens a Nashville pod up. For X or UC, I suppose.

[TUclutch]

I would think Xavier is 99% a lock at a 1 seed even if they lose tonight

[X-band '01]

Remember when Auburn was vying for a #1 seed? Me neither. Boatraced by Bama in the second half. Hope the Auburn guys don't storm the locker room.

Bruce Pearl and one of the Alabama assistants did have words in the postgame handshake line.

[X Factor]

Bruce Pearl and one of the Alabama assistants did have words in the postgame handshake line.

It was the Alabama strength coach, lol

[SemajParlor]

If nova loses to butler and x loses to padres nova will stay a one no matter what. But I can see x losing their top seed if duke wins out. Total BS but it’s DUKE and we are X. East coast BS.

Lol Is Duke part of the "East Coast" bias? I never knew the reign of terror included them.

[xu82]

I assume this result means the end of Auburn being a team the committee worries of protecting. Which opens a Nashville pod up. For X or UC, I suppose.

Nashville > Atlanta is my Dream Scenario, and I don’t care about the people who’ve said this is not possible!

[Lamont Sanford]

How can Lunardi truly have Oklahoma as one of his last four in?!? They are awful and have been exposed in the second half of the year. My guess is that CBS wants to exploit Trae Young and milk him being the next Steph Curry (ala BESPN). Same goes for Mizzou and Michael Porter Jr. They suck too.

[dethwing]

Lunardi is not picking teams he thinks should be in. He is picking teams he predicts the committee will put in. This is based upon history and research, and the fact that the committee is pretty predictable over time.

[XUFan09]

How can Lunardi truly have Oklahoma as one of his last four in?!? They are awful and have been exposed in the second half of the year. My guess is that CBS wants to exploit Trae Young and milk him being the next Steph Curry (ala BESPN). Same goes for Mizzou and Michael Porter Jr. They suck too.

Full body of work, with no recency bias. It's that simple. Oklahoma has really dropped off but they're also the team with wins over USC and Wichita State in the non-conference slate and a good start to the conference schedule.

And I don't know how you could consider a team who went 10-8 in the SEC as sucking. You do know the SEC is actually good this year, right? They actually aren't far behind the Big East in terms of overall quality.

Not everything has to be a conspiracy theory, and I'm guessing you don't appreciate how flawed the last few teams are that make the tournament.

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[UCGRAD4X]

Full body of work, with no recency bias.

Not everything has to be a conspiracy theory

Only someone who is in on it would say such a thing.

[HenryMuto]

Not much solace in wake of the loss today but at least Duke went down. Now I have to believe X will be a #1 seed. I can't see a 9 loss North Carolina team taking it away. Would be nice for Kansas to lose as well just to make sure X doesn't have to go West.

[Snipe]

Joey brackets says that the 6th seed in the ACC could be a number one seed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Joey brackets says that the 6th seed in the ACC could be a number one seed.

Yeah I think hes out of his mind. They have a ton of great wins but losses have to matter too right? And a home loss to Wofford is a bad look.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jerry Palm has Marquette in for 7 BE teams in.

[Xuperman]

Lunardi's last bracket is out and he still has Arizona as a 4 on a collision course with X in the S16. Surely they warrant a 3, right? This sucks because it definitely looks like they will be in the West and so are we. Having to beat the Wildcats again with that FREAK is very disheartening. Zona is FINAL FOUR ready and my dark horse to win it all.

[paulxu]

Here's KPI as of this morning. Not such good news for BE. Will be interesting to see how he pans out:

Creighton in PIG
Marquette just out
Losing conference records but making it in: Oklahoma, Arizona State, Syracuse, Texas

One bid left to steal if Davidson beats Rhode Island today I guess.

Dance Card hasn't been updated since Friday, where we were a #2 seed (the first one)
He had MTSU, Creighton and Marquette all in. Don't know if he'll update before the show.
If not, pretty big disparity with him and KPI.

Whoa...as I typed the last sentence, I went back and checked Dance Card again, and he just updated through Saturday.
We're still a 2 seed; but Creighton and Marquette are in.
He's got Arizona State out...and KPI has them as a 10 seed.
This will be fun to compare these 2 guys.

http://www.kpisports.net/d-i_mbb/2018kpi-d1mbb/

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[D-West & PO-Z]

Here's KPI as of this morning. Not such good news for BE. Will be interesting to see how he pans out:

Creighton in PIG
Marquette just out
Losing conference records but making it in: Oklahoma, Arizona State, Syracuse, Texas

One bid left to steal if Davidson beats Rhode Island today I guess.

Dance Card hasn't been updated since Friday, where we were a #2 seed (the first one)
He had MTSU, Creighton and Marquette all in. Don't know if he'll update before the show.
If not, pretty big disparity with him and KPI.

Whoa...as I typed the last sentence, I went back and checked Dance Card again, and he just updated through Saturday.
We're still a 2 seed; but Creighton and Marquette are in.
He's got Arizona State out...and KPI has them as a 10 seed.
This will be fun to compare these 2 guys.

http://www.kpisports.net/d-i_mbb/2018kpi-d1mbb/

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

Is dance card usually good at seeds or just the teams getting in?

They have MSU as a 5 seed.

And a 10 loss UNC team as a 1 seed? Not happening.

[Xuperman]

Lunardi also has Wichita St as another 4? Other than beating UC and Houston ONCE, their biggest win is S. DAK. ST.!! WTF? Is that what buys you a 4 these days? The AAC is brutally bad

[paulxu]

Is dance card usually good at seeds or just the teams getting in?

They have MSU as a 5 seed.

And a 10 loss UNC team as a 1 seed? Not happening.

Dance Card best at getting in/out, rather than seeds, I think.
But he's got some differences with in/out versus KPI, who last year got all but 1 right for in/out (sort of like Dance Card of past years).
Will be interesting. The losing conference records are problematic I think.
The BE has 7 teams with .500 or better in conference.
The Big 12 only has 5.
We're 1 and 2 in conference RPI (separated by 15/10,000th) and our OOC SOS is stronger.
Would hate to see some of our 7 left out while they get a few in who couldn't play .500 in conference.

[mistabeecee41]

Committee says all 4 #1 seeds are set. Looks like we’re the 4th #1 seed regardless of the UNC game

[chico]

Lunardi's last bracket is out and he still has Arizona as a 4 on a collision course with X in the S16. Surely they warrant a 3, right? This sucks because it definitely looks like they will be in the West and so are we. Having to beat the Wildcats again with that FREAK is very disheartening. Zona is FINAL FOUR ready and my dark horse to win it all.

Unfortunately most of the brackets I've seen have us as the 1 out west with Arizona as the 4.

[AviatorX]

Unfortunately most of the brackets I've seen have us as the 1 out west with Arizona as the 4.

Yeah I mean both Arizona and X are 100% going to be in the West. Only question is if Arizona is a 3 or 4.

Helps to be a team from the West in the 90% of years no one is on the top line out there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Man, an Arizona team that has 1 seed level talent (and was pre season #1), would be a 4 seed with us out west in the first time XU has ever got a 1 seed.

Really hoping they either jump to a 3 seed or are sent to another region due to another 4 seed having to be out west due to bracketing rules or something.

Question. Dont they sometimes bump teams up or down a seed due to bracketing rules? Maybe Clemson is a 4 seed and for whatever reason they need to be shipped out West so they bump Zona to a 3 seed? I dunno, just really dont want to see them in Sweet 16.

[Lloyd Braun]

Man, an Arizona team that has 1 seed level talent (and was pre season #1), would be a 4 seed with us out west in the first time XU has ever got a 1 seed.

Really hoping they either jump to a 3 seed or are sent to another region due to another 4 seed having to be out west due to bracketing rules or something.

Question. Dont they sometimes bump teams up or down a seed due to bracketing rules? Maybe Clemson is a 4 seed and for whatever reason they need to be shipped out West so they bump Zona to a 3 seed? I dunno, just really dont want to see them in Sweet 16.

Yes they will probably have to move someone up and down a seed line this year unless their s-curve is different than what most experts have (quite possible).

They want the top four teams in each bracket to add up to 34 or close to it.

[stammina0721]

Yeah it sucks Trevon missing that layup cost the Midwest. I only wanted to avoid 3 teams and those were Zona, Duke and Gonzaga. Looks like we will probably get 2 of those

[stammina0721]

Although I guess if you wanna be the best you gotta beat the best.

[stammina0721]

I think there is no shot of Arizona being a 4 though. 3 is where they will be

[paulxu]

Filed under "A Season is a Lifetime," just take a second and click back to the first post in this thread by Go.

[Xuperman]

1 seed dogs in the S16 are VERY RARE....but Vegas would favor the Cats v X

[stammina0721]

I like how we do the score predictor every game.... We all talk smack about picking teams so let's do it here. The biggest debate comes with the last 4 teams playing PIG. Also list top 2 teams out. That is what separates the good and bad bracketologists. So let's get out last 4 down and see who wins... I'll go first

1. Middle Tennessee State
2. USC
3. St. Marys
4. Texas

I think St. Bonny and Oklahoma are in.. the only question for me is if Oklahoma dropped to PIG. I'll keep St. Mary's for now

First 2 out
1. Arizona State
2. Syracuse

[AviatorX]

I have a feeling Kansas is going to be 2 on the s-curve and we'll realize the BET didn't matter at all for X.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Davidson just stole a bid.

[paulxu]

True. Hope it wasn't Marquette.

[D-West & PO-Z]

True. Hope it wasn't Marquette.

Was thinking the same thing.

[bjf123]

Jerry Palm says Davidson did take Marquette’s bid. Damn. Hope that’s not true.


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[xukeith]

Was thinking the same thing.

I know that one site has Marquette as a last team in but they report erroneously that Marquette's rpi is 44. It is 54. Not sure they know that.
I would be super hyped if Marquette made it in. More cash for BE conference helps everyone.
Looking at X's recruiting vs. Villanova, I hope Mack and assistants can get a 3-4 class in that has at least 2 NBA first rounders.

[AviatorX]

I know that one site has Marquette as a last team in but they report erroneously that Marquette's rpi is 44. It is 54. Not sure they know that.
I would be super hyped if Marquette made it in. More cash for BE conference helps everyone.
Looking at X's recruiting vs. Villanova, I hope Mack and assistants can get a 3-4 class in that has at least 2 NBA first rounders.

Lol! The ol 4 man class with 2 first rounders. Totally happens everywhere all the time.

[cinskyline]

Oklahoma is the one that ought to have their bid taken away. They've been awful for at least 2 months.

[JTG]

The NCAA chair in his interview last night, said everything was set, unless Davidson won, which would cause considerable shuffling. Only 1 team would change, but it would cause some locations to shift.

[xukeith]

Lol! The ol 4 man class with 2 first rounders. Totally happens everywhere all the time.

Nova, Duke, UNC, UK, etc.

[AviatorX]

Nova, Duke, UNC, UK, etc.

When was the last time Nova had two first round picks in the same class?

[xu82]

I turned on the UC game and watched them erase a 7 point deficit. I apologize and promise to stick to golf.

[xukeith]

I turned on the UC game and watched them erase a 7 point deficit. I apologize and promise to stick to golf.

Totally agree

[bjf123]

I turned on the UC game and watched them erase a 7 point deficit. I apologize and promise to stick to golf.

Me, too. $@#%!


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[Lloyd Braun]

Marquette out

[stammina0721]

I really don't like the message the committee sent this time. I am only dissapointed in one selection and that is Syracuse or Arizona State over middle Tennessee. Rest is fine in my book

[mid major]

I'm curious as to whose bid did Davidson steal?

[stammina0721]

Notre dame. Middle Tennessee was not even first four

[Lloyd Braun]

I like how we do the score predictor every game.... We all talk smack about picking teams so let's do it here. The biggest debate comes with the last 4 teams playing PIG. Also list top 2 teams out. That is what separates the good and bad bracketologists. So let's get out last 4 down and see who wins... I'll go first

1. Middle Tennessee State
2. USC
3. St. Marys
4. Texas

I think St. Bonny and Oklahoma are in.. the only question for me is if Oklahoma dropped to PIG. I'll keep St. Mary's for now

First 2 out
1. Arizona State
2. Syracuse

You won with a score of: 1

[paulxu]

Where can I find a simple breakdown of how many teams (and their names) from each conference listed?

Thanks

[D-West & PO-Z]

Where can I find a simple breakdown of how many teams (and their names) from each conference listed?

Thanks

I tried to find a simple list and cant find one! Can't believe it isnt easier to find one on google.

Sorry.

[stammina0721]

I still can't believe MTSU. Number 10 OOC schedule cant get in... St Mary's gets wins but can't get in cause OOC was weak. So schedule tough and miss or schedule noone and miss. If that is the way it is why don't we just cut off 200 teams from D1 and be done with it

[D-West & PO-Z]

I still can't believe MTSU. Number 10 OOC schedule cant get in... St Mary's gets wins but can't get in cause OOC was weak. So schedule tough and miss or schedule noone and miss. If that is the way it is why don't we just cut off 200 teams from D1 and be done with it

They did beat Murray State (in tourney) and Ole Miss and Vandy (not in tournament) but lost to the 3 best teams all in close games in Auburn, Miami, and USC. They beat one of those 3 and they are probably in. I' not saying they shouldnt be in but I think what the committee is saying is schedule tough out of conference but also win some of those games.

[X-band '01]

I still can't believe MTSU. Number 10 OOC schedule cant get in... St Mary's gets wins but can't get in cause OOC was weak. So schedule tough and miss or schedule noone and miss. If that is the way it is why don't we just cut off 200 teams from D1 and be done with it

MTSU also got swept by Marshall in the regular season and lost to a very bad Southern Miss team in the C-USA quarterfinals. Had they swept Marshall in the regular season and lost to either Western KY or Old Dominion in the conference championship, they would have had a better argument for an at-large. Keep in mind Marshall would not have been in the discussion without the auto-bid.

[xubrew]

Middle Tennessee played their way into a fantastic situation. They had a non tournament team (or at least a team that was outside the bubble) at home, and a virtual non-div1 team to play in their first CUSA game. They just had to win one of them. They won neither of them.

I'm almost certain that Saint Mary's had the chance to play Creighton, Nevada, and Rhode Island. They were approached by those schools. They said no to all of them. No one can hand pick their schedule, and it's a lot harder for some teams than others to schedule the way they need to to make a good case for themselves. But SMC simply chose not to. Again. I don't feel sorry for them.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I'm almost certain that Saint Mary's had the chance to play Creighton, Nevada, and Rhode Island. They were approached by those schools. They said no to all of them. No one can hand pick their schedule, and it's a lot harder for some teams than others to schedule the way they need to to make a good case for themselves. But SMC simply chose not to. Again. I don't feel sorry for them.

Yep. And considering the committee head is the AD at Creighton, not agreeing to a Home-and-Home with them was really bad decision by St. Mary's.

[XU 87]

I'm almost certain that Saint Mary's had the chance to play Creighton, Nevada, and Rhode Island. They were approached by those schools. They said no to all of them. No one can hand pick their schedule, and it's a lot harder for some teams than others to schedule the way they need to to make a good case for themselves. But SMC simply chose not to. Again. I don't feel sorry for them.

If your conference sucks, you'd better play some decent OOC games if you want an at large bid.

[dethwing]

Or not lose to garbage teams like San Francisco.

[SemajParlor]

Afterthought is understating it this week, but the NIT is actually really really good this year.

[muskiefan82]

Afterthought is understating it this week, but the NIT is actually really really good this year.

I did find it a little funny that NKU played UK in their first ever NCAA trip and now gets UL in their first ever NIT trip.

[X-band '01]

Or not lose to garbage teams like San Francisco.

They nearly lost to an atrocious Pepperdine team in the WCC tournament. They weren't the same after that USF loss.

[XUFan09]

I' not saying they shouldnt be in but I think what the committee is saying is schedule tough out of conference but also win some of those games.

Yup, that's exactly what Rasmussen said. He said that they scheduled well and had opportunities, but they needed to capitalize on those opportunities. That's fair. If simply scheduling a tough non-conference was enough, then there are some low-majors who schedule a lot of tough buy games who would deserve a place.

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[paulxu]

Off season thought: KPI still seems the best at something.

Also, we should have gone a little further as a #1 seed. Crap.

http://www.kpisports.net/2018/03/13/comparing-advanced-metrics-to-ncaa-1-68-seed-list-2018-edition/

[xukeith]

Off season thought: KPI still seems the best at something.

Also, we should have gone a little further as a #1 seed. Crap.

http://www.kpisports.net/2018/03/13/comparing-advanced-metrics-to-ncaa-1-68-seed-list-2018-edition/

If you believe in numbers and analytics, X shows it was definitely the weakest 1 seeed.
Interesting what next year metrics will show. SOS will be great. Defense can't be worse than last year. Offense will dip.

[GoMuskies]

Here's an early Bracketology that I bet paul would love.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

[paulxu]

I'm missing it. What should I love?

Also, screw Wisky and Rocky Top.

I do like the bottom part where all the teams have a L1 streak going, except Nova with a W11.

NM, I see now. They're playing down in Cockville, just 90 miles away.

[sirthought]

Here's an early Bracketology that I bet paul would love.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/

Maybe someone can give me a clue about game sites with this page.

If you scroll down to the section called NCAA Tournament Schedule is says the first and second rounds will be played in Pittsburgh, Wichita, Dallas, Boise, Charolette, Detroit, Nashville, and San Diego.

But scrolling up to the actual bracket it shows XU as a #9 seed playing in Columbia, SC. In fact, none of the cities in the bracket match those in the schedule section.

[usfldan]

Maybe someone can give me a clue about game sites with this page.

If you scroll down to the section called NCAA Tournament Schedule is says the first and second rounds will be played in Pittsburgh, Wichita, Dallas, Boise, Charolette, Detroit, Nashville, and San Diego.

But scrolling up to the actual bracket it shows XU as a #9 seed playing in Columbia, SC. In fact, none of the cities in the bracket match those in the schedule section.

The NCAA Tournament Schedule section still lists the 2018 sites that were just used (Nashville, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Wichita, etc. to the Final Four in San Antonio). The bracket that has Xavier as a #9 seed uses the 2019 sites that will be used next season.

[sirthought]

That explains it. Thanks

[xu95]

Just take a few seconds and make your bracket valid instead of just throwing shit against the wall.

You can't play a first round game (and maybe 2nd round, not sure) against a team that you played in the regular season.

xu95

[dethwing]

I do like the bottom part where all the teams have a L1 streak going, except Nova with a W11.



Here's the full list of all teams with a win streak going into the 2018 season: http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/stats-current-win-streaks

Before clicking, try to see how many you can guess.

[xubrew]

Just take a few seconds and make your bracket valid instead of just throwing shit against the wall.

You can't play a first round game (and maybe 2nd round, not sure) against a team that you played in the regular season.

xu95

That was more of a point of emphasis than a hard rule. And, it's less of a point of emphasis starting next year. You can even face a conference opponent as early as the second round if you only played them once during the season. They now seem more concerned about travel and about not moving teams up and down a seed line than they were before. If that means a rematch, then so be it.

[Lloyd Braun]

Here's the full list of all teams with a win streak going into the 2018 season: http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2018/stats-current-win-streaks

Before clicking, try to see how many you can guess.

I got 1

[UCGRAD4X]

I got 1

Me too. Villanova, obviously. And teams that either did not make any tourney (but won some games at the end of the season) or won the minor tournament (and, perhaps the last game or two from the season). Who the hell remembers, or pays much attention to, any of these behemoths?