Matta Thread (Mack Not Going, but needs help selling house)

[LA Muskie]

Could be a rich parent meeting their kid for dinner. I would imagine there are flights every day from both Covington and Indianapolis to Ohio State. It's one of the biggest universities in the world. They don't all have to do with the basketball coach.

Could be Mick.



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[Muskie]

Could be Mick.



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Didn't Mick report OSU for improper contact with a UC recruit (Gates maybe?). If that's true, I wouldn't think he would be considered.

[X-ceptional]

Didn't Mick report OSU for improper contact with a UC recruit (Gates maybe?). If that's true, I wouldn't think he would be considered.

Mick would get up there and make them all take off their athletic department polos. They don't deserve them.

[LA Muskie]

Didn't Mick report OSU for improper contact with a UC recruit (Gates maybe?). If that's true, I wouldn't think he would be considered.

I don't recall. But he has been on several talking head candidate lists.


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[LA Muskie]

I don't have access to Scout, but I've heard Snow is reporting Hoiberg is the leader and it may be announced within the next 24-36 hours.

If he is, he's doing so behind the Scout/tOSU pay wall. He has not reported it on Musketeer Report.

But I do believe he is a candidate.


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[casualfan]

If he is, he's doing so behind the Scout/tOSU pay wall. He has not reported it on Musketeer Report.

But I do believe he is a candidate.


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Makes sense. It was an OSU buddy who sent it to me.

[The Piper]

When the Mayor of Hamelin first employed my services, I was able to drown all but one of the thousands of rats. An admirable accomplishment, although the Mayor reneged on his promise and I was forced to use my music to endanger his town's children.

When a promise is broken, I am summoned to respond. When amends are neglected to be made, unrest will rain upon the whole town, not just the Mayor. I have held off serenading Mack into Columbus for now, because I believe in using my pipe for good now. But rules may not go disregarded -- broken; and warnings are effective only after promises of the consequences of scorning them are made to be true. Thus, a concise and final warning must be made.

The price for the casual evading is the same as the price for the blatantly combative refute. Do not mistake my charisma for pliability. It is time for payment. Many a fate depend on it, Musketeers.

[GuyFawkes38]

When the Mayor of Hamelin first employed my services, I was able to drown all but one of the thousands of rats. An admirable accomplishment, although the Mayor reneged on his promise and I was forced to use my music to endanger his town's children.

When a promise is broken, I am summoned to respond. When amends are neglected to be made, unrest will rain upon the whole town, not just the Mayor. I have held off serenading Mack into Columbus for now, because I believe in using my pipe for good now. But rules may not go disregarded -- broken; and warnings are effective only after promises of the consequences of scorning them are made to be true. Thus, a concise and final warning must be made.

The price for the casual evading is the same as the price for the blatantly combative refute. Do not mistake my charisma for pliability. It is time for payment. Many a fate depend on it, Musketeers.

This seems legit to me.

[X-ceptional]

When the Mayor of Hamelin first employed my services, I was able to drown all but one of the thousands of rats. An admirable accomplishment, although the Mayor reneged on his promise and I was forced to use my music to endanger his town's children.

When a promise is broken, I am summoned to respond. When amends are neglected to be made, unrest will rain upon the whole town, not just the Mayor. I have held off serenading Mack into Columbus for now, because I believe in using my pipe for good now. But rules may not go disregarded -- broken; and warnings are effective only after promises of the consequences of scorning them are made to be true. Thus, a concise and final warning must be made.

The price for the casual evading is the same as the price for the blatantly combative refute. Do not mistake my charisma for pliability. It is time for payment. Many a fate depend on it, Musketeers.

Gold... I am figuratively literally dying over here.

[MuskieXU]

I was kinda on casualfans side but after that post I think its time to pay The Piper.

[chico]

When the Mayor of Hamelin first employed my services, I was able to drown all but one of the thousands of rats. An admirable accomplishment, although the Mayor reneged on his promise and I was forced to use my music to endanger his town's children.

When a promise is broken, I am summoned to respond. When amends are neglected to be made, unrest will rain upon the whole town, not just the Mayor. I have held off serenading Mack into Columbus for now, because I believe in using my pipe for good now. But rules may not go disregarded -- broken; and warnings are effective only after promises of the consequences of scorning them are made to be true. Thus, a concise and final warning must be made.

The price for the casual evading is the same as the price for the blatantly combative refute. Do not mistake my charisma for pliability. It is time for payment. Many a fate depend on it, Musketeers.

Is it too late to change my vote on the "will he stay or will he go" thread?

[throwbackmuskie]

Permanent ban or public shaming, I am at least giving him options


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[GIMMFD]

When the Mayor of Hamelin first employed my services, I was able to drown all but one of the thousands of rats. An admirable accomplishment, although the Mayor reneged on his promise and I was forced to use my music to endanger his town's children.

When a promise is broken, I am summoned to respond. When amends are neglected to be made, unrest will rain upon the whole town, not just the Mayor. I have held off serenading Mack into Columbus for now, because I believe in using my pipe for good now. But rules may not go disregarded -- broken; and warnings are effective only after promises of the consequences of scorning them are made to be true. Thus, a concise and final warning must be made.

The price for the casual evading is the same as the price for the blatantly combative refute. Do not mistake my charisma for pliability. It is time for payment. Many a fate depend on it, Musketeers.

What. The. Fuck. :lmao::popcorn:

[X-band '01]

I gotta get some popcorn and reread this from square one.

[paulxu]

Well, 18 minutes ago Mack posted a picture of him and the kid from some place that doesn't look like Columbus.

Also, he's looking for one of you guys to buy his old house.

https://twitter.com/CoachChrisMack?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[94GRAD]

Well, 18 minutes ago Mack posted a picture of him and the kid from some place that doesn't look like Columbus.

Also, he's looking for one of you guys to buy his old house.

https://twitter.com/CoachChrisMack?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Es erp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Paul, we're assuming you're ponying up for this to be your "in season" house!

[throwbackmuskie]

Need a big money booster to buy the house for 3 or 4
Million, you know, pay the man. Come on MOR, pony up


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[xu82]

Paul, we're assuming you're ponying up for this to be your "in season" house!

It could be like a time share thing for us out-of towners. Paul can be the lead partner, adding to his real estate collection. I'll pay for a couch for 3 nights on my annual trip.

Great house! They seem like such a nice family I hope they love the new place even more! (And I'd love to see it!)

[muskienick]

https://theringer.com/thad-matta-ohio-state-buckeyes-basketball-760ee88f5b2

How about Holtmann to OSU and Matta to Butler?

Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!

[xu82]

How about Holtmann to OSU and Matta to Butler?

Wouldn't THAT be a hoot!

Even crazier, I wonder where he'd even be on Butler's list?

[paulxu]

Paul, we're assuming you're ponying up for this to be your "in season" house!

We'd be moving Dana's to that room by the pool.

[xu82]

We'd be moving Dana's to that room by the pool.

That would require life guards. I'll volunteer for free drinks. I checked ID's at McCarthy's for the same "fee". Bad plan, after enough drinks my math may have failed me. Funny, but that was before the whole concept of "if you weren't born after this date".

[BMoreX]

There's a surprise

Ohio State is meeting with Creighton's Greg McDermott tonight, source told ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

[xeus]

There's a surprise

Ohio State is meeting with Creighton's Greg McDermott tonight, source told ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…


Where'd you see that?

[BMoreX]

Where'd you see that?

Goodman tweet

[JTG]

What. The. Fuck. :lmao::popcorn:
This: double wtf

[GoMuskies]

There's a surprise

Ohio State is meeting with Creighton's Greg McDermott tonight, source told ESPN. espn.com/espn/now?nowId…

Good news for Creighton.

[Backyard Champ]

Really? Feel like McDermott has been pretty good.

[xeus]

That could be a great fit, although I'd prefer to keep McDermott in Omaha.

[xu82]

Good news for Creighton.

Disagree. Ive changed over the last few years on him. Who will they get who's better? Tough (but loyal) market.

[LA Muskie]

Disagree. Ive changed over the last few years on him. Who will they get who's better? Tough (but loyal) market.
I agree. He's show that he's more than McBuckets' dad.

Also, OSU obviously didn't have "their man" in the bag if they have moved on to interviewing Jents and McDermott...

[GoMuskies]

Disagree. Ive changed over the last few years on him. Who will they get who's better? Tough (but loyal) market.

I don't think doing better than McDermott will be a particularly tall order.

[bleedXblue]

WTF ?? McDermott?

Wow how the landscape has changed

[xu82]

I don't think doing better than McDermott will be a particularly tall order.

With their deep pockets I'm sure they have some options, but I'm praying they leave our BE coaches in place.

[BMoreX]

If I'm an OSU fan, I'd have to be mildly disappointed in hiring Greg McDermott. You'd think they (and their money) could pull someone better

[bobbiemcgee]

Goodman saying OSU has offered job to McDermott.

[GoMuskies]

They thought they were getting Billy Donovan and ended up with Greg fucking McDermott. Lol at Ohio State.

[XU 87]

Goodman saying OSU has offered job to McDermott.

I'm a little stunned.

[xubrew]

I cannot stop laughing!!!!

[waggy]

Would be great to get Matta in the BE.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Well... Gene Smith said he wanted a hire that would make a splash...

[GoMuskies]

Well... Gene Smith said he wanted a hire that would make a splash...

He didn't say it would be due to both Ohio State fans who actually care about basketball jumping off a bridge.

[BMoreX]

Give me Tom Crean to Creighton

[GoMuskies]

Give me Tom Crean to Creighton

Yeah, that would be interesting. I knew McDermott had his issues in March, but I didn't realize until tonight that he's never coached a Tournament win that Doug didn't play in. That's in 12 seasons without Doug.

[AviatorX]

Give me Tom Crean to Creighton

Would be a seamless transition to the "Let it Fly" playing style that never wins in March.

[GoMuskies]

Would be a seamless transition to the "Let it Fly" playing style that never wins in March.

Fun fact: in the 2002 NCAA Tournament, Tom Crean won more NCAA Tournament games than McDermott has in his entire 16 year career.

[Blue Blooded-05]

The confusion on OSU's board is glorious... "durr I don't understand why Billy Donovan doesn't want to coach here durr"

[AviatorX]

Fun fact: in the 2002 NCAA Tournament, Tom Crean won more NCAA Tournament games than McDermott has in his entire 16 year career.

Yeah in all seriousness (even as an IU fan) I think Crean would be relatively solid at Creighton. A definite upgrade over Doug's dad in my book.

[xubrew]

Fun fact: in the 2002 NCAA Tournament, Tom Crean won more NCAA Tournament games than McDermott has in his entire 16 year career.

That same year, Ernie Kent was as many as McDermott has in 16 years!!! Not more, though.

[Juice]

Fun fact: in the 2002 NCAA Tournament, Tom Crean won more NCAA Tournament games than McDermott has in his entire 16 year career.

Over the last four years, Thad Matta won more games than Greg McDermott did. Same number of Tourney appearances too.

[SM#24]

Over the last four years, Thad Matta won more games than Greg McDermott did. Same number of Tourney appearances too.
Maybe McDermott is getting points for doing it in a better league ;)

[MuskieXU]

I dont think McDermott is exactly a home run hire for OSU but I'm surprised at the public perception of his coaching abilities. He had a top 10 team and the best offense in the nation last year prior to Watson getting hurt. I think hes clearly a really good coach.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont think McDermott is exactly a home run hire for OSU but I'm surprised at the public perception of his coaching abilities. He had a top 10 team and the best offense in the nation last year prior to Watson getting hurt. I think hes clearly a really good coach.

Until March.

[Muskie]

I dont think McDermott is exactly a home run hire for OSU but I'm surprised at the public perception of his coaching abilities. He had a top 10 team and the best offense in the nation last year prior to Watson getting hurt. I think hes clearly a really good coach.

He's 6 games over 500 at Creighton without his son (though his record increases exponentially when you add in his other stops).

[throwbackmuskie]

This is a great move, cause X will still be top dog in Ohio


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[MuskieXU]

He's 6 games over 500 at Creighton without his son (though his record increases exponentially when you add in his other stops).

Northern Iowa finished dead last in the MVC prior to McDermott getting the job and he made the tournament in his 3rd year and got at large bids in his 4th and 5th years there. Anyone who can do that at UNI is a really good coach. He didnt make a splash at Iowa State, but he also didnt necessarily have enough time. And now at Creighton hes had 4 great teams and a few average teams. I dont think anyone is saying he's one of the best coaches in America but I think hes a good coach and is doing a really solid job at Creighton. I think it would be bad for the BE if he left.

[Caf]

I can't see anyway this is an upgrade for OSU. Maybe just because of Matta's health? McDermott is 3 years older than him! I have a feeling there will be another OSU vacancy in 5 years (I'm not willing to bet on it)

[GoMuskies]

Northern Iowa finished dead last in the MVC prior to McDermott getting the job and he made the tournament in his 3rd year and got at large bids in his 4th and 5th years there. Anyone who can do that at UNI is a really good coach. He didnt make a splash at Iowa State, but he also didnt necessarily have enough time. And now at Creighton hes had 4 great teams and a few average teams. I dont think anyone is saying he's one of the best coaches in America but I think hes a good coach and is doing a really solid job at Creighton. I think it would be bad for the BE if he left.

And he still has yet to win an NCAA Tournament game that his son didn't play in.

[GetUp5]

I dont think McDermott is exactly a home run hire for OSU but I'm surprised at the public perception of his coaching abilities. He had a top 10 team and the best offense in the nation last year prior to Watson getting hurt. I think hes clearly a really good coach.

Division 1 record without his son = 207-175
Conference record = 90-118
4 tourneys in 12 years = 0-4 record

[THRILLHOUSE]

I don't think he's a bad coach, but I don't think he's gonna make OSU a title contender again either. They might as well have made Jent an interim coach for this year, and then gone all out on a coaching search after the season. Either way, even going from thinking they were getting Hoiberg to settling for McDermott is probably a kick in the nuts for OSU fans. Which I'm totally cool with.

[AviatorX]

And he still has yet to win an NCAA Tournament game that his son didn't play in.

Yeah, I don't really get what people see in McDermott. He is decidedly average. Brew has the stat, but he's also terrible down the stretch every year.

He is immediately in the bottom tier of Big 10 coaches if you ask me. And this is an offseason where IU and Illinois made pretty great hires.

[xubrew]

Northern Iowa finished dead last in the MVC prior to McDermott getting the job and he made the tournament in his 3rd year and got at large bids in his 4th and 5th years there. Anyone who can do that at UNI is a really good coach. He didnt make a splash at Iowa State, but he also didnt necessarily have enough time. And now at Creighton hes had 4 great teams and a few average teams. I dont think anyone is saying he's one of the best coaches in America but I think hes a good coach and is doing a really solid job at Creighton. I think it would be bad for the BE if he left.

This isn't entirely unfair. Greg McDermott is not a complete and total bomb as a coach. He's just a long way from being a good coach. Perhaps he is decent.

You mentioned Northern Iowa. His last season there is the perfect microcosm of McDermott, and the reason I find him to be particularly frustrating. That Northern Iowa team started off 19-3, and had beaten a couple of Top 25 teams along the way. I don't remember how high they got in the rankings, but I think they were in there. They finished 21-10. Yeah, they still made the tournament, but that is a rather conspicuous collapses.

Now, I know Creighton had injuries this year, and that is also fair to point out. But over a 16 year career, McDermott is below .500 in the final ten games of the season. I mean...you can set your watch to it. In the last ten games of the season, his teams seem to fall apart. I don't think you can attribute ALL of that to his being unlucky with injuries.

If Greg McDermott were a miler, he'd be leading after the first three laps, and then he'd finish in the bottom half of the pack after the final lap. So, after years and years and years of this I just started to dismiss him. Yes, you'd see Creighton, or Iowa State, or even Northern Iowa win big games OOC, and make a lot of noise, and get into the rankings, but by the time mid-February rolled around they would start losing, and either fall out of the NCAA Tournament picture, or back into it and be out of it by the end of the first weekend. Again, and again, and again, and again.

That's it. That's my take on him. He's a great guy (and I'm not saying that facetiously). I don't like Ohio State, so I can't say that I want him to do well, but if he were someplace else I'd be pulling for him. But, the fact that he's a good guy doesn't mean he's a good coach at the end of the year.

[MuskieXU]

This is all fair criticism. The end of season stats are pretty interesting. Im interested to see how he does at Creighton now that their recruiting is on a BE level. I'm not ready to see him leave yet, but they could probably hire someone on a pretty comparable level.

[GetUp5]

This is all fair criticism. The end of season stats are pretty interesting. Im interested to see how he does at Creighton now that their recruiting is on a BE level. I'm not ready to see him leave yet, but they could probably hire someone on a pretty comparable level.

McDermott is a good coach. And nothing ground breaking here, but just surprised he's the guy for Ohio State. Optically, it seems like such a poorly timed, quick move by tOSU that could set the program back even further.

Imagine how low on their list they are with McDermott... And if Creighton ends up with Tom Crean? That's a W for the BE.

[muskiefan82]

McDermott is a good coach. And nothing ground breaking here, but just surprised he's the guy for Ohio State. Optically, it seems like such a poorly timed, quick move by tOSU that could set the program back even further.

Imagine how low on their list they are with McDermott... And if Creighton ends up with Tom Crean? That's a W for the BE.

Ohio State did this to themselves. If they intended to fire Matta, they should have done this way earlier. I, personally, find this hilarious and am enjoying every second of OSU not being able to get who they probably wanted.

[murray87]

All this wackiness that just started on Monday has me really scratching my head about the inner workings at OSU. Were they just snoozing the last three months and then suddenly woke up to realize they needed to fire Matta but with no apparent idea of his replacement? They really seem clueless, which is amusing given the arrogance that oozes from that place.

[MuskieXU]

All this wackiness that just started on Monday has me really scratching my head about the inner workings at OSU. Were they just snoozing the last three months and then suddenly woke up to realize they needed to fire Matta but with no apparent idea of his replacement? They really seem clueless, which is amusing given the arrogance that oozes from that place.

I think they genuinely wanted to give Matta a chance to right the ship next year and that was their thought heading into the offseason. With recent transfers and decommits, however, it became pretty clear that the situation was beyond repair for Thad so they just pulled the trigger. I do think there was a bit off arrogance in them thinking they could land a top notch coach in June, but they did do just that last time around. This time it seems to be backfiring.

[muskiefan82]

Now that Matta is not there, does that increase the likelihood of an X/OSU Gavitt Games matchup?

[muethibp]

I think the criticism of McDermott here is weird. We've seen a lot of that team and they play hard, players (both his team and opponents) seem to like him a lot, and he's been able to recruit pretty well there (which, let's be honest, is a bit of a challenge since Omaha is not a hotbed of talent and he has to convince players to move to Nebraska). I think he'll be very successful at OSU, if he takes that position.

[X-ceptional]

I can't see anyway this is an upgrade for OSU. Maybe just because of Matta's health? McDermott is 3 years older than him! I have a feeling there will be another OSU vacancy in 5 years (I'm not willing to bet on it)

Oh come on, have a little fun!

[AviatorX]

I think the criticism of McDermott here is weird. We've seen a lot of that team and they play hard, players (both his team and opponents) seem to like him a lot, and he's been able to recruit pretty well there (which, let's be honest, is a bit of a challenge since Omaha is not a hotbed of talent and he has to convince players to move to Nebraska). I think he'll be very successful at OSU, if he takes that position.

In the world of high major college basketball, if you can't win in March, people will criticize. He has sucked down the stretch a lot. Not a bad coach, but he's definitely open to a fair amount of criticism for only having 2 career NCAA tournament wins (and not in the same year).

Creighton's expectations are (or should be) equal to or slightly below X's. That record wouldn't fly here. X was memorably 4-6 down the regular season stretch this season and this place was melting down (rightfully so).

Since joining the Big East, McDermott's teams have gone 5-5, 4-6, 4-6 (4-14 overall in league!), and 7-3 (best team in a loooooong time, and they lost by 30 points in the 2nd round).

I think the criticism makes more sense than the praise on here, to be honest. Creighton is probably one of the softest teams in the country, especially when as Jason Love put it, "it's winning time."

[MuskieXU]

In the world of high major college basketball, if you can't win in March, people will criticize. He has sucked down the stretch a lot. Not a bad coach, but he's definitely open to a fair amount of criticism for only having 2 career NCAA tournament wins (and not in the same year).

Creighton's expectations are (or should be) equal to or slightly below X's. That record wouldn't fly here. X was memorably 4-6 down the regular season stretch this season and this place was melting down (rightfully so).

Since joining the Big East, McDermott's teams have gone 5-5, 4-6, 4-6 (4-14 overall in league!), and 7-3 (best team in a loooooong time, and they lost by 30 points in the 2nd round).

I think the criticism makes more sense than the praise on here, to be honest. Creighton is probably one of the softest teams in the country, especially when as Jason Love put it, "it's winning time."

He's 3-7 in March. At Creighton he's 3-4 in March and would almost certainly be 4-4 or better had Watson not gotten hurt. There are definitely fair criticisms about McDermott, There are definitely coaches who are better. But hes been a consistently solid coach, I think people underestimate how hard that can be to find.

[GoMuskies]

But hes been a consistently solid coach

Folks in Ames beg to differ.

[AviatorX]

He's 3-7 in March. At Creighton he's 3-4 in March and would almost certainly be 4-4 or better had Watson not gotten hurt. There are definitely fair criticisms about McDermott, There are definitely coaches who are better. But hes been a consistently solid coach, I think people underestimate how hard that can be to find.

Yeah, I mean like I said, he's not a bad coach but it wouldn't surprise me at all if Creighton got a jump start if they have to find a new guy here.

Just ask Iowa State about how that can work.

[MuskieXU]

McDermott was 41 when he took over Iowa State, hes a totally different coach now than he was then. I also think its odd to talk about Creighton getting a "jump start" with a new coach, when the coach they have now led them to their highest ranking in school history last year and now has the best recruiting class in school history coming in.

[GoMuskies]

McDermott was 41 when he took over Iowa State, hes a totally different coach now than he was then.

He's won the same number of NCAA Tournament games without his kid in the lineup now as then.

[bleedXblue]

He's a solid coach....but no more than that.

I don't see it lasting long term.

[Chalmers0]

Now that Matta is not there, does that increase the likelihood of an X/OSU Gavitt Games matchup?

I don't think Matta had anything to do with it not happening.

IIRC Maryland and Georgetown didn't exactly want to play each other.

I believe the conferences and TV make all the match-up decisions.

[Chalmers0]

Also at this point I'm going to assume McDermott either did not actually get the offer and used Goodman as a puppet for a raise or has turned it down. With all the smoke around it last night something would have already happened by now if it was going to be him.

[AviatorX]

McDermott was 41 when he took over Iowa State, hes a totally different coach now than he was then. I also think its odd to talk about Creighton getting a "jump start" with a new coach, when the coach they have now led them to their highest ranking in school history last year and now has the best recruiting class in school history coming in.

I meant in regard to winning in March. For me, the test is easy: would I want McDermott coaching my favorite team? No.

Not sure I understand the McDermott love on this board. In the NBE era, he's gotten upset in the tournament twice and absolutely cratered one year. Basically the Leonard Hamlton of the conference. No need to go further back and forth on this though, at this point the timing is starting to get weird with the OSU job.

[MuskieXU]

I meant in regard to winning in March. For me, the test is easy: would I want McDermott coaching my favorite team? No.

Not sure I understand the McDermott love on this board. In the NBE era, he's gotten upset in the tournament twice and absolutely cratered one year. Basically the Leonard Hamlton of the conference. No need to go further back and forth on this though, at this point the timing is starting to get weird with the OSU job.

I dont love McDermott and I probably wouldnt want him coaching Xavier. But I think hes probably a Top 30 or 35 coach and Creighton is a Top 30 or 35 program so I think its a good fit.

[GoMuskies]

I dont love McDermott and I probably wouldnt want him coaching Xavier. But I think hes probably a Top 30 or 35 coach and Creighton is a Top 30 or 35 program so I think its a good fit.

I won't disagree with that. I don't think Creighton should have fired him or anything. Just not sure why anyone else (at least anyone like OSU) would want to hire him.

[BandAid]

I meant in regard to winning in March. For me, the test is easy: would I want McDermott coaching my favorite team? No.

Not sure I understand the McDermott love on this board. In the NBE era, he's gotten upset in the tournament twice and absolutely cratered one year. Basically the Leonard Hamlton of the conference. No need to go further back and forth on this though, at this point the timing is starting to get weird with the OSU job.

We were saying the same thing about Villanova not two years ago. Is Jay Wright a mediocre coach?

[GoMuskies]

We were saying the same thing about Villanova not two years ago. Is Jay Wright a mediocre coach?

Jay Wright had already been to the Final Four two years ago. Not the same. At all.

[Juice]

I dont love McDermott and I probably wouldnt want him coaching Xavier. But I think hes probably a Top 30 or 35 coach and Creighton is a Top 30 or 35 program so I think its a good fit.

Whaaaat? If OSU is a top 15-20 job, as stated by several national writers, you think Creighton is only 15-20 spots behind?

[BandAid]

Jay Wright had already been to the Final Four two years ago. Not the same. At all.

Really? Were we all not joking that Villanova would flame out in the tournament? I seem to remember that being a huge running gag.

[GoMuskies]

Really? Were we all not joking that Villanova would flame out in the tournament? I seem to remember that being a huge running gag.

But again, Wright had already been to a Final Four. Greg McDermott has never been able to attend a Sweet 16 without a ticket.

Wright was 14-10 in NCAA Tournament games at Villanova before they went on their title run in '16. (Now 21-11)

[MuskieXU]

Whaaaat? If OSU is a top 15-20 job, as stated by several national writers, you think Creighton is only 15-20 spots behind?

Sure. Once you get out of the T25 or so its pretty subjective, but I think 35ish is fair. They have a great arena and a great fanbase. Theres only about 70 Power conference teams and I think Creighton is in a better spot in basketball than about half of them.

[94GRAD]

I can't see anyway this is an upgrade for OSU. Maybe just because of Matta's health? McDermott is 3 years older than him! I have a feeling there will be another OSU vacancy in 5 years (I'm not willing to bet on it)

You should though, there're no repercussions if you lose!!!

[AviatorX]

We were saying the same thing about Villanova not two years ago. Is Jay Wright a mediocre coach?

We were not saying that at all.

[xubrew]

Really? Were we all not joking that Villanova would flame out in the tournament? I seem to remember that being a huge running gag.

Perhaps people were JOKING about it. But it was just that. A joke.

I'm not knocking McDermott for the sake of knocking him. I don't think anyone else is either. This is just my objective assessment. I do not like Ohio State, but other than that I have no reason to wish for him to fail. I wouldn't have hired him, nor would I have recommended him.

[THRILLHOUSE]

McDermott turned them down. L-O-L

"@cucoachmac I'm blessed and honored to be the coach at Creighton.....and am looking forward to many more great years in Omaha! #rolljays"

[AviatorX]

Perhaps people were JOKING about it. But it was just that. A joke.

I'm not knocking McDermott for the sake of knocking him. I don't think anyone else is either. This is just my objective assessment. I do not like Ohio State, but other than that I have no reason to wish for him to fail. I wouldn't have hired him, nor would I have recommended him.

Totally agree Brew. No ill will toward CU or McD at all, just don't think he's that great of a coach.

Looks like it won't be him at OSU anyway. Creighton fans better scoop up those pre-sale Omaha regional tickets because they probably won't be playing in the Sweet 16.

Things are getting weird in Cbus. Hope they don't circle back and bring a dump truck of money to NKY.

[muskiefan82]

McDermott turned them down. L-O-L

"@cucoachmac I'm blessed and honored to be the coach at Creighton.....and am looking forward to many more great years in Omaha! #rolljays"

This is turning out to be so much fun. When they end up having to give this to the assistant head coach I am sure he will feel wonderful about the opportunity.

[BandAid]

Gregg McDermott and the switch to Big East injected major life into the Creighton program (even if some of their dumbass fans still pine to be in the MVC). I have little doubt he would be able to bring about a resurgence at OSU like he has done at Creighton.

Will he ever win a title? Probably not. Odds are Chris Mack will never win a title either (that doesn't mean we shouldn't hope, aspire, or support). If the sole definition of a good coach is going deep in March, then there are very few active good coaches.

And where you do cut off the line? Oh, this coach hasn't been to a Sweet Sixteen, he's rubbish. Oh, this one hasn't been to the Elite Eight, he kinda sucks. Sean Miller has never made a Final Four, he should be fired. Then you have Kevin Ollie, who won a title and has been mediocre since.

But Gregg has at least put Creighton in the position to regularly compete in the tournament. What more could a program realistically ask for? (Unless you're UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, or North Carolina)

He's not a great coach, but he is a good coach. He's at least in the 80th percentile. And I think that's perfectly acceptable for a place like OSU. [EDIT: and Creighton]

[xubrew]

I do not always take joy when things go badly for others.

I do always take joy when things go badly for Ohio State!!!

THIS IS GREAT!!!

[chico]

Looks like OSU may have to go Jently into that good night after all.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[BMoreX]

And he turned them down.

Gene Smith gets an F- in this coaching search. I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

[xubrew]

I wonder if by coincidence Thad Matta is stunning the medical world and making a fast and unexpected recovery?? Will he be able to coach next year after all??

[X-ceptional]

Has OSU considered Thad Matta? I heard he recently became available... maybe throw an interview his way.

[X-ceptional]

Ah, Brew's joke was better and he beat me to it.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think someone (Muskie?) joked about this earlier:

"@WojVerticalNBA Another NBA coach on Ohio State's radar, sources tell @TheVertical: Golden State assistant Mike Brown. So far, no contact has been made."

[RealDeal]

Has OSU considered Thad Matta? I heard he recently became available... maybe throw an interview his way.

Nah, Thad has repeatedly said he's not a candidate for that job, so that would be a waste of time.

[JTG]

I meant in regard to winning in March. For me, the test is easy: would I want McDermott coaching my favorite team? No.

Not sure I understand the McDermott love on this board. In the NBE era, he's gotten upset in the tournament twice and absolutely cratered one year. Basically the Leonard Hamlton of the conference. No need to go further back and forth on this though, at this point the timing is starting to get weird with the OSU job.

I'm not sure why anyone on this board gives a shit about McDermott one way or the other. As long as Mack stays on Victory Pkwy, I'm happy. Off season, sheesh.....

[murray87]

Meanwhile in Arizona (clearly this new president doesn't know Miller that well):

But while Miller might be the dream candidate for Ohio State fans, the folks in Tucson won’t make it easy to lure him away. That isn’t just an opinion, but a fact, after new Arizona President Dr. Robert Robbins was asked about the possibility by The Arizona Republic this week.









Robbins didn’t mince any words:

“The Ohio State University is great university, but they are not going to get Coach Miller,” Robbins said during a wide-ranging interview with The Arizona Republic and azcentral.com. “They will have to come over me to get him, as the saying goes, over my dead body.”

Talk about endearing yourself to a fan base, huh? Robbins was just recently hired by the school (he started on June 1), but he clearly knows how important Arizona basketball – and by extension, Miller – is to the university.

The good thing for both Robbins and Wildcats fans everywhere is that it is hard to imagine Miller going anywhere, at least not right now. Arizona brings back a loaded club next year that ranks No. 1 in FOX Sports’ preseason poll, and it will likely open next season as favorite to win the national championship. Why leave for a major rebuild in Columbus when all the heavy lifting is done in Tucson?

[muskiefan82]

What are they saying on the the OSU boards? They have to be calling for Gene Smith's head at this point. (Please do not let Kathy Griffin know)

[bleedXblue]

This is somewhat comical if they really did offer him the job......

Enquirer reported that Mick/UC wasn't even contacted? Seriously? I don't like the guy, but he makes a hell of a lot more sense than McDermott.

[GoMuskies]

The story from Ohio State media will now be that McDermott was never actually offered the job.

[throwbackmuskie]

Brannen to osu Mack to nku, new house and all...


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[bobbiemcgee]

Meanwhile in Arizona (clearly this new president doesn't know Miller that well):

But while Miller might be the dream candidate for Ohio State fans, the folks in Tucson won’t make it easy to lure him away. That isn’t just an opinion, but a fact, after new Arizona President Dr. Robert Robbins was asked about the possibility by The Arizona Republic this week.









Robbins didn’t mince any words:

“The Ohio State University is great university, but they are not going to get Coach Miller,” Robbins said during a wide-ranging interview with The Arizona Republic and azcentral.com. “They will have to come over me to get him, as the saying goes, over my dead body.”

Talk about endearing yourself to a fan base, huh? Robbins was just recently hired by the school (he started on June 1), but he clearly knows how important Arizona basketball – and by extension, Miller – is to the university.

The good thing for both Robbins and Wildcats fans everywhere is that it is hard to imagine Miller going anywhere, at least not right now. Arizona brings back a loaded club next year that ranks No. 1 in FOX Sports’ preseason poll, and it will likely open next season as favorite to win the national championship. Why leave for a major rebuild in Columbus when all the heavy lifting is done in Tucson?

I like this statement a lot. Wish Fr. Graham and the Iceman would make a similar statement so we don't have to go thru this shit every year.

[The Piper]

Musketeer fans were almost officially off the hook as my trance over McDougsdad was as benumbing as it was harmonious. But at 10:21 this morning, the culprit, on whom the fate of the whole now rests, showed his cowardly face about parts wherein he's most unwelcome.

My patience wears ever so thin.

The indebted offender refuses to make his own amends. Thus I command his arrears be paid in the form of his sacrificing by the rest of his commonality. If these requirements are not met, the price that only he is obligated to pay, becomes the harrowing debt of the whole. I will not throw a twist into this coaching search another time. The next time is final. I request one victim to meet his fate at the tip of the Koppelburg. Should the rest of his community fail to see to it that he does, you will all find yourselves on that mount.

Expatriation for one, or calamity for all!

[paulxu]

Nah, Thad has repeatedly said he's not a candidate for that job, so that would be a waste of time.

I'm having flashbacks...

[xudash]

I'm not sure why anyone on this board gives a shit about McDermott one way or the other. As long as Mack stays on Victory Pkwy, I'm happy. Off season, sheesh.....

The reason that you would care, if you care to go this far, is because it does reflect to some degree at the conference level. The Big East has coaches that are sought, but who are refusing to leave the Big East. That creates a good perception for the Big East.

Imagine trying to pull that off from the A10.

[muskiefan82]

Imagine trying to pull that off from the A10.

I no longer imagine anything about the A-10

[xeus]

I'm not sure why anyone on this board gives a shit about McDermott one way or the other. As long as Mack stays on Victory Pkwy, I'm happy. Off season, sheesh.....

This thread is about Matta leaving. So, occasionally the discussion may wander off into who might replace him.

We have lots and lots of other threads if this one isn't your cup of tea. Or, just come back when the season starts.

[AviatorX]

I'm not sure why anyone on this board gives a shit about McDermott one way or the other. As long as Mack stays on Victory Pkwy, I'm happy. Off season, sheesh.....

Hmm. Not sure why posters would care about a coach Xavier plays at least twice a year. Can't imagine.

[X-ceptional]

We've got tail numbers, people! Apparently this is the plane to watch: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJM318

Last Weds in TX... Smart or Drew?
Monday in NJ... Willard?
Tuesday in VA... Buzz?
Last night in Omaha... McD.

Where to next???

[drudy23]

I just want to see pictures of the house...where's the listing?

[GoMuskies]

I just want to see pictures of the house...where's the listing?

https://www.sibcycline.com/listing/nky/505445/2483-legends-way-crestview-hills-ky-41017

It's only like page 12 of a 37 page thread. How could you possibly miss it?!? :)

[X-ceptional]

Also, I missed this from last night

Gary Parrish‏
@GaryParrishCBS

By the way, I’m told, Eddie Fogler is assisting Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith with this coaching search.

[xu82]

I skipped to the end, but I did see the old house. Is the new one in there somewhere. Do we know where they're going? Stalking is not involved, but if they are leaving that behind, I'd love to see what they like better!

Someone I worked with listed a house for a celebrity for $25 million. When asked where you go from a $25 million dollar house, he replied "a $100 million house, if he wants to". It later sold for $17.5 million, and he had $43 million into it. Easy come, easy go.... The people who bought it didn't even live in Atlanta, and had no plans of moving here. They just saw the video on line and fell in love. THAT is a world I will always look at from the outside.

[throwbackmuskie]

Also, I missed this from last night

Gary Parrish‏
@GaryParrishCBS

By the way, I’m told, Eddie Fogler is assisting Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith with this coaching search.

Could mean Frank Martin.

[X-ceptional]

Getting reports that a new candidate has emerged for the Buckeyes coaching vacancy. Never heard of this guy before, but Mad Thatta seems to be the new leader...

http://i.imgur.com/hmOhaAU.jpg

[bleedXblue]

Getting reports that a new candidate has emerged for the Buckeyes coaching vacancy. Never heard of this guy before, but Mad Thatta seems to be the new leader...

http://i.imgur.com/hmOhaAU.jpg

that's pretty good

[muskiefan82]

I wonder when the search for a new AD will begin in Columbus. This seems like a royal f-up

[Blue Blooded-05]

Reports coming out that it's going to be Holtmann.

I'm saddened... not by the result, but that this $#!+ show is coming to an end!

[muskiefan82]

That's going to cost a pretty penny

[GoMuskies]

I like Holtmann more than McDermott for sure. Now I wish McDermott had stuck, because he'd have been much easier to replace. Particularly since Creighton overall sucks much less than Butler.

[atljar]

Staying in NKY but nothing posted of the new crib.

The lady and I were talking about his house, and she was shocked that "just" a basketball coach could afford that much home. However, put into perspective, Mack makes about 20-30x what I do. And I live in a $225k home. 25 times 225k = 5.6 million. Which means he is really living well below his means. Just saying :)

[X-ceptional]

That's going to cost a pretty penny

Yea, from a couple things I've seen, Holtmann's first response was more of a "not for that amount." If new reports are true, OSU must have sweetened the pot. I think dude's about to get PAID.

Now, if this is true, how is Butler supposed to find a coach in June? McDermott to Butler?

[GoMuskies]

how is Butler supposed to find a coach in June? McDermott to Butler?

Brad Stevens. Duh.

[bleedXblue]

Brad Stevens. Duh.

LOL...of course

[Juice]

Guys, Mick says that he has no interest in the OSU job in case OSU or you were wondering.

[paulxu]

Is Mad Thatta related to Madxster?

[GIMMFD]

Yea, from a couple things I've seen, Holtmann's first response was more of a "not for that amount." If new reports are true, OSU must have sweetened the pot. I think dude's about to get PAID.

Now, if this is true, how is Butler supposed to find a coach in June? McDermott to Butler?

That would be interesting, who's on Butler's staff that could be considered an okay internal hire? At least even for interim.

[muskienick]

That would be interesting, who's on Butler's staff that could be considered an okay internal hire? At least even for interim.

http://butlersports.com/coaches.aspx?rc=613&path=mbball
Of the three main assistant coaches, Schrage seems to have the best D-1 background.

[X-ceptional]

Guys, Mick says that he has no interest in the OSU job in case OSU or you were wondering.

I thought you were joking, but...

https://twitter.com/TomGroeschen/status/872902122555281408

Just received text from #UC basketball coach Mick Cronin. Declined to be quoted, but indicated he has no interest in Ohio State job.


https://slm-assets0.secondlife.com/assets/11392465/view_large/61004993.jpg?1428411381

As someone in the same position as Mick, insofar as I also have not been asked to take the OSU job, I would like to go on record that I am not interested in coaching the Buckeyes. (But don't quote me, Groeschen!!!)

[MADXSTER]

Is Mad Thatta related to Madxster?

Public props since the man is holding me up

[X-band '01]

Guys, Mick says that he has no interest in the OSU job in case OSU or you were wondering.

OSU fans are saying "Who?"

[GoMuskies]

OSU fans are saying "Who?"

That's Sean Kilpatrick.

[X-ceptional]

Go, did you mean to type something? It just says "That's" and then just a blank space... nothing there at all...

[xu82]

Go, did you mean to type something? It just says "That's" and then just a blank space... nothing there at all...

It may have been nap time? Back in the game now.

[waggy]

Matta back at Butler would be awesome.

[Pete Delkus]

Should we start to wonder about a certain assistant coach with Indiana connections?

[AviatorX]

Butler is about to be in a TOUGH spot.

[X-ceptional]

Tail #EJM318 is headed back to Indy tomorrow morning, 10am.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/EJM318/history/20170609/1410Z/KCMH/KIND

[X-ceptional]

Should we start to wonder about a certain assistant coach with Indiana connections?

How dare you!

[AviatorX]

How dare you!

Butler has basically always hired from within. I think Steele would be an incredible hire, but I bet they'll want someone from the Butler family (yeah I know Steele went there but he's a Xavier guy at this point).

[D-West & PO-Z]

One Post from the Butler board:

"Is Travis Steele a possibility? Dude can recruit. And it's not like Mack is going anywhere soon."

[xupuck10]

Sounds like it's official. From Adam Jardy (OSU Beat Reporter): Exclusive: Ohio State will hold a press conference today to introduce Chris Holtmann as its new basketball coach

[Muskie]

Feel bad for Butler fans. We know what it's like to lose a coach in June. I don't think Steele will be a candidate. But I guess you never know.


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[X-ceptional]

What the he'll is going on here?


https://twitter.com/DavidWoods007/status/873153680614330368

Columbus Dispatch reports OSU has set news conference to announce Holtmann as coach today. Source tells IndyStar "zero chance" of that.


This whole thing is just ridiculous.

[murray87]

OSU to hold press conference for an empty podium. This cluster gets better by the moment.

[bleedXblue]

Holy shit what an embarrassment.

[Muskie]

What the he'll is going on here?


https://twitter.com/DavidWoods007/status/873153680614330368



This whole thing is just ridiculous.

The Star reporter is claiming there is 0% chance of a news Conference today. He's carefully clarified that he's not saying Holtman isn't going.

[Muskie]

Quite Frankly the only thing this whole search is missing at this point is whoever it is, changes their mind and returns to their prior school. Nationally it's known as doing the Altman, though people on this Board prefer the localized performance known as the Kelsey.

[GoMuskies]

Quite Frankly the only thing this whole search is missing at this point is whoever it is, changes their mind and returns to their prior school. Nationally it's known as doing the Altman, though people on this Board prefer the localized performance known as the Kelsey.

In the south it's the Donovan.

[Muskie]

In the south it's the Donovan.

I forgot about Donovan...

[GetUp5]

What's the big deal about the misinformation about the press conference? Indy Star clearly trying to flex their muscles as they lose their coach and the Dispatch is more worried about football to have accurate information about basketball.

Don't think the news outlets are any indication of the hiring process being a mess, although by all accounts it has been a mess.

[Muskie]

What's the big deal about the misinformation about the press conference? Indy Star clearly trying to flex their muscles as they lose their coach and the Dispatch is more worried about football to have accurate information about basketball.

Don't think the news outlets are any indication of the hiring process being a mess, although by all accounts it has been a mess.

Yeah... this has been interesting.

[paulxu]

In the south it's the Donovan.

Or the Cremins.

[GoMuskies]

Or the Cremins.

Or the Gregg Marshall

[GIMMFD]

Yeah... this has been interesting.

It's been a colossal screw up from OSU quite frankly, they're lucky to even get Holtmann.

[atljar]

Breaking news: Chris Mack to Butler.
























:)

[xudash]

Broken news: Cronin to Xavier.

[Woodburn]

I hate Butler as much as the next guy. But, I wanted to reply to this thread in the hope that some of the self proclaimed "X fans" posting on the Butler board see this: Please act like you have some semblance of class and quit talking shit to them on their board. It feeds a stereotype, is beneath what I think "our" program reflects and frankly is just lame.

[deepX]

That is very unfortunate if "X Fans" are posting crap on the Butler boards concerning this, or anything else for that matter.
Regretfully, every program seem to have it's own idiots and asses, and we are not immune.
I try to remember that when faced with a choice, I try to take the "high-road". It is usually a lot less crowded and the view is better in the long run.

deepX

[bleedXblue]

If you are an X fan posting on the Butler board and talking shit you are an idiot and an embarrassment.

[throwbackmuskie]

So now that that has been decided, back to the real topic at hand, CasualFan, perma ban or public humiliation

[atljar]

I vote for public execution. Take him to the gallows!

[TB5_Rafters]

Worst-case scenario, how big of a hit would the loss of Steele be to X? I know unlikely, but have to wonder he will get a shot at a HC job in the near future. From my understanding, he is pretty pivotal in recruiting.

[Muskie]

Worst-case scenario, how big of a hit would the loss of Steele be to X? I know unlikely, but have to wonder he will get a shot at a HC job in the near future. From my understanding, he is pretty pivotal in recruiting.

Recruiting wise it would be a hit. I don't know much of what he does from an X's and O's stand point. I'm sure someone else will chime in.

[JTG]

Never have understood posting on other school's boards. Read some yes, but keep your opinion to yourself. After all "It is better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

[GIMMFD]

Recruiting wise it would be a hit. I don't know much of what he does from an X's and O's stand point. I'm sure someone else will chime in.

Who would we promote to Steele's position if that were the case? Luke Murray?

[TB5_Rafters]

Who would we promote to Steele's position if that were the case? Luke Murray?

Would have to imagine Pegues would be next in line for that position, since he's been there since 2011. Seems like all of the assistant coaches excel at recruiting, I know Murray is currently recruiting his highest-rated prospect since he's been at X.

[bobbiemcgee]

Worst-case scenario, how big of a hit would the loss of Steele be to X? I know unlikely, but have to wonder he will get a shot at a HC job in the near future. From my understanding, he is pretty pivotal in recruiting.

Oddly, Steele not even being mentioned in IndyStar potential coaches articles. He would certainly be my #1.

[MackAttack]

Worst-case scenario, how big of a hit would the loss of Steele be to X? I know unlikely, but have to wonder he will get a shot at a HC job in the near future. From my understanding, he is pretty pivotal in recruiting.

While I think most of us understand it's likely only a matter of time before Steele gets a head coaching gig somewhere (if he wants one), I think he'd be the obvious choice to be the next HC here should Mack decide to leave in the near future. Granted, Mack leaving anytime soon all of a sudden doesn't look very likely with IU and OSU off the board for the foreseeable future.
My point being that if Steele interviews for, and gets the Butler job, there goes almost any chance of him coming back here as HC. If Steele were to leave for a HC position, I'd much rather it be in the MAC or Horizon League in order to leave open the possibility of a return to X down the road.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow, he's done immediately.

I'll be curious to see if they hire an interim for a year or try to replace him before this next season.


Again why are you here? you lost your bet you made

This whole thing was just a year late I guess huh?

Casulafan hasnt been on in a while did he take the ban after missing winning the bet by one year?