Manchester

[Snipe]

A bomb went off in Manchester. At a concert. It killed and injured lots of little girls.

At the time, I predicted that it was a Muslim that did it.

Amazingly, I was correct.

It is not the first time.

Many incidents have happened, and when I predicted Muslims did it, it turned out to be true.

In fact I want to give some more predictions. Another bomb will go off, and it will be a Muslim. Another Truck will plow through some White People, and it will be a Muslim.

I thought you guys might not believe me when I predicted the Muslim in Manchester, but I seem to be right so many times! So I thought I would just start this tread as a placer so that when the next one happens I can have proof that I predicted it.

I am on some sort of crazy run with these predictions. You would think every now and then it would be a crazy Mormon, but yet again I keep going to the well and it keeps on giving.

The German Chancellor said she could not comprehend it. That is crazy talk. She can't understand what is happening. She isn't fit for office. Not only can I comprehend it, I can predict it. Watch me strut!

[STL_XUfan]

A bomb went off in Manchester. At a concert. It killed and injured lots of little girls.

At the time, I predicted that it was a Muslim that did it.

Amazingly, I was correct.

It is not the first time.

Many incidents have happened, and when I predicted Muslims did it, it turned out to be true.

In fact I want to give some more predictions. Another bomb will go off, and it will be a Muslim. Another Truck will plow through some White People, and it will be a Muslim.

I thought you guys might not believe me when I predicted the Muslim in Manchester, but I seem to be right so many times! So I thought I would just start this tread as a placer so that when the next one happens I can have proof that I predicted it.

I am on some sort of crazy run with these predictions. You would think every now and then it would be a crazy Mormon, but yet again I keep going to the well and it keeps on giving.

The German Chancellor said she could not comprehend it. That is crazy talk. She can't understand what is happening. She isn't fit for office. Not only can I comprehend it, I can predict it. Watch me strut!

I predict another school shooting will happen and it will be a white kid.

[ammtd34]

I predict another school shooting will happen and it will be a white kid.

Probably right. Why did you post that?

[Juice]

I predict another school shooting will happen and it will be a white kid.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/26/africa/egypt-shooting-coptic-christians/index.html?sr=twcnni052617egypt-shooting-coptic-christians1117AMStoryLink&linkId=38036312

Egypt: 26 dead as gunmen fire on bus carrying Coptic Christians

[muskiefan82]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/26/africa/egypt-shooting-coptic-christians/index.html?sr=twcnni052617egypt-shooting-coptic-christians1117AMStoryLink&linkId=38036312

Egypt: 26 dead as gunmen fire on bus carrying Coptic Christians

Hmmmm.....not a bomb or a school so I think neither was predicted by Snipe or STL_XUfan

[GetUp5]

Probably right. Why did you post that?

Because Snipe's post triggered him. He can't handle the truth serum that Snipe is dishing out.

[SemajParlor]

In fact I want to give some more predictions. Another bomb will go off, and it will be a Muslim.

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/867764820417949696

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Because Snipe's post triggered him. He can't handle the truth serum that Snipe is dishing out.

He is merely pointing out the ridiculousness of Snipe's post. If you blame all of Islam for terrorist attacks, you might as well blame all of Mormonism for child bride marriages. You can blame all people with guns for school shootings, etc.

The reality is that there are bad people in this world who do bad things.

[sirthought]

I predict Snipe will have another dumb post claiming he predicted something awful.

It's low risk / high reward to predict the worst things in life. It happens with stock market prognosticators everyday. When they are wrong life just keeps moving on with little follow up, but when they're right they look like geniuses.

[X-man]

He is merely pointing out the ridiculousness of Snipe's post. If you blame all of Islam for terrorist attacks, you might as well blame all of Mormonism for child bride marriages. You can blame all people with guns for school shootings, etc.

The reality is that there are bad people in this world who do bad things.

Your argument is way too subtle for Snipe to understand. He'll never ever get it.

[ammtd34]

Your argument is way too subtle for Snipe to understand. He'll never ever get it.

I don't think it's subtle enough.

Not all Mormons take child brides or multiple wives, but a group that does interprets Mormon teachings and texts in such a way that allows them to do so. While small, it is certainly an issue within Mormonism as a whole.

Fred Phelps is a piece of shit and is by no means a "good" Christian. But he interprets Christian teaching and texts in such a way that allows him to announce at funerals that God is punishing society for allowing gay people to marry. He says so and cites verses that he claims support his views. While an asshole, he is certainly an issue within Christianity as a whole.

Muslim terrorists interpret Islamic teachings and texts in such a way that it justifies taking lives at a concert. I know this because they explicitly say it. I don't see that Snipe has blamed all of Islam, and I agree that a small amount of Muslims support these acts. But some do. To pretend that Islam plays no role is naive.

[xavierdude]

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/867764820417949696

So are you quoting the headline or the actual story? Because it was still Muslim bombs that killed those civilians....

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I don't think it's subtle enough.

Not all Mormons take child brides or multiple wives, but a group that does interprets Mormon teachings and texts in such a way that allows them to do so. While small, it is certainly an issue within Mormonism as a whole.

Fred Phelps is a piece of shit and is by no means a "good" Christian. But he interprets Christian teaching and texts in such a way that allows him to announce at funerals that God is punishing society for allowing gay people to marry. He says so and cites verses that he claims support his views. While an asshole, he is certainly an issue within Christianity as a whole.

Muslim terrorists interpret Islamic teachings and texts in such a way that it justifies taking lives at a concert. I know this because they explicitly say it. I don't see that Snipe has blamed all of Islam, and I agree that a small amount of Muslims support these acts. But some do. To pretend that Islam plays no role is naive.

If you are going to call them as the post above states 'Muslim bombs' then just go ahead and use that same massive brush for all the other crap that people do in the name of religion. My point wasn't to shift blame away from the radicals, just that there are plenty of radicals to go around.

[SemajParlor]

So are you quoting the headline or the actual story? Because it was still Muslim bombs that killed those civilians....

Honestly this message board is so wonky I can't even tell if this is sarcasm.

[Pete Delkus]

Conservatives: I hate you liberals as much as I hate terrorists - You cause them by excusing them.
Liberals: I hate you Conservatives as much as I hate terrorists - You cause them by inflaming them.

Boom!

[Caf]

Conservatives: I hate you liberals as much as I hate terrorists - You cause them by excusing them.
Liberals: I hate you Conservatives as much as I hate terrorists - You cause them by inflaming them.

Boom!

This is not clever.

This should not be a politically dividing phenomenon. Retaliation will always come with any level of imperialism. This is not unique to today, and it is not unique of Islam. If you think it is you are either blind or have an elementary understanding of human history.

Terrorists and imperial powers can both be immoral at the same time. Resist the urge to look for a sole recipient of blame. Boom...?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is not clever.

This should not be a politically dividing phenomenon. Retaliation will always come with any level of imperialism. This is not unique to today, and it is not unique of Islam. If you think it is you are either blind or have an elementary understanding of human history.

Terrorists and imperial powers can both be immoral at the same time. Resist the urge to look for a sole recipient of blame. Boom...?

This is absolutely a post of reason. Look no further than the US military bombing Syria and killing around 100 civilians the other day.

[STL_XUfan]

http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/2017/05/26/witnesses-man-on-northeast-portland-max-train-cut-the-throats-of-two-men-who-tried-to-stop-anti-muslim-bullying-of-women-passengers/

[X-man]

Another story involving Muslims and terror....https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-man-hurling-racial-slurs-kills-2-injures-1-on-train/2017/05/26/594e9326-4287-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_train-stabbing-1205am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5d65cd2704a5.

[Juice]

In the wake of the Manchester suicide bombing it emerged that British authorities were grappling with 500 investigations into 3,000 individuals.

On Friday security sources confirmed a further 20,000 individuals were said to have been considered “subjects of interest” in the past, although the period the figures cover is unclear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/security-mi5-23000-subjects-interest-counter-terrorism-manchester-abedi-police-a7758671.html

[Emp]

I predict a another disgruntled crazy white American will respond to this insane race baiting and stab random people on a train.

Oh wait.

[SemajParlor]

It's absurd that this thread is still open.

[Snipe]

It's absurd that this thread is still open.

Why?

Should this thread be closed down?

Are you one of the ones that have closed down the policital threads on this forum by complaining?

We can't have a thread about this?

When Manchester happened, did you also suspect it was a Muslim? Did you think it was someone else?

Should this not allowed to be talked about?

They target Western Women, and Western Men don't defend their own women, even when it is little girls. And you want this thread gone.

It is absurd that you even have to address the issue!

Wow.

When you can't defend your women you are no longer a nation and your culture is broken. I am talking about your mothers, your sisters and your daughters, if you can't defend them, or no longer offer a response, you are no longer a nation. I don't care about the depths where political correctness has taken you, but you are a small, pathetic man.

[Snipe]

I predict another school shooting will happen and it will be a white kid.

I will take the bet.

Last two school shootings with homicides were a Black and a Hispanic.

From Wikipedia: List of School Shootings in the United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#2010 s)


April 10, 2017 San Bernardino, California 3 1 North Park Elementary School shooting: Cedric Anderson, age 53, of Riverside, California, died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound after shooting and killing his estranged wife, Karen Elaine Smith, age 53, in a classroom. An eight-year-old student was also fatally shot, an a seven-year-old student was injured.[522]

May 4, 2017 Irving, Texas 2 0 North Lake College: Adrian Victor Torres killed a 20-year-old student, Janeera Nickol Gonzalez, whom he was stalking. He fatally shot her three times and the college went into lockdown before discovering that the suspect has died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.[523]

Whites are still 65% of the nation and dropping quickly, but Whites don't commit near the crimes of Blacks and Hispanics. They just don't. I have nothing to do with those statistics either. I didn't compile them.

Look at the last 2 homicides. Look at the last 10 school shooting homicides and see if they are majority White. Look at the last 20, 30, 50 or 100. Take a look at actual school shooting homicides and then get back to me.

Now what gets reported in the FAKE NEWS is another matter, so I can see why in your snowflake life you think it is just White kids.

Also, you made this a racial matter, and not me. The US Census considers Arabs as White, and always has. Lebonese? White. Israeli? White. Iranian? White. I agree with them. I think Syrians and Pushtun Afghans are White Peoples. I have said this before. My problem isn't that they are White peoples, my problem is that they are crazy ass White Peoples that nobody else would want.

You have 50 odd countries that are majority Muslim, and none of them want Syrian refugees. They might know them better than we do. They have more in common, they share a religion and a culture, and they don't want any of them.

So stop being such a racist blaming White People. It is culture, and the person that did this won't be the last, that is why it is so easy to predict.


Grow up and grow a pair, because real men defend their women.

[Snipe]

Probably right. Why did you post that?

Statistically, I think he is probably wrong. Check the wiki. White crimes get more media, but actual school shooting homicides are listed in the Wiki.

Still your question is valid, why did he post that?

[Snipe]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/26/africa/egypt-shooting-coptic-christians/index.html?sr=twcnni052617egypt-shooting-coptic-christians1117AMStoryLink&linkId=38036312

I could have predicted that too. It has been happening for awhile. Like last Easter Sunday for example. More to come to a theatre near you!

Egypt: 26 dead as gunmen fire on bus carrying Coptic Christians


Hmmmm.....not a bomb or a school so I think neither was predicted by Snipe or STL_XUfan

You are technically correct, but I still say I would have predicted that. Hard to miss when a mass shooting happens in Egypt killing Christians, it has always been and will be Muslims so far.


Because Snipe's post triggered him. He can't handle the truth serum that Snipe is dishing out.

It is the truth. That is what bothers me. I am not saying "What if I am Right"! I know that I am right.

[Snipe]

https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/867764820417949696

And from the twitter you quoted:

BREAKING: Pentagon investigation finds more than 100 civilians were killed after a U.S. bomb hit a building in Mosul, Iraq, in March

I think that is horrible. I denounce the killing of civilians. I would like to pull out of Mosul, and every Muslim country. I would also not like to take any more Muslim immigrants, be they refuges or asking for asylum or whatever. I feel that serves the national interest. That is my belief.

[Snipe]

He is merely pointing out the ridiculousness of Snipe's post. If you blame all of Islam for terrorist attacks, you might as well blame all of Mormonism for child bride marriages. You can blame all people with guns for school shootings, etc.

The reality is that there are bad people in this world who do bad things.

I do agree that there are bad people in this world who do bad things.

As for defaming the White Mormons, you should consider statistics for child bride marriages, 39,000 happen every day world wide.

The Mormon Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints gave up polygamy in 1890. They are not an integral part of child bride marriages, 39,000 of which happen every day, according to UNICEF.

United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund goes by the acronym UNICEF. It is a well known organization.



The Facts:
According to the UN, 37,000 girls under the age of 18 are married each day. We now have the greatest number of married girls and girls at-risk of child marriage than ever before 1 in 3 girls in the developing world are married before 18; 1 in 9 are married before the age of 15
If present trends continue, more than 140 million girls will be married before the age of 18 in the next decade.

Globally, almost 400 million women now aged 20-49 were married before the age of 18. Consequences of Child Marriage: Child marriage effectively ends a girl’s childhood, curtails her education, minimizes her economic opportunities, increases her risk of domestic violence, and puts her at risk for early, frequent, and very high-risk pregnancies.

Girls under 15 are five times more likely to die in childbirth than women in their 20s and face higher risk of pregnancy-related injuries, such as obstetric fistula.

Child brides are often unable to negotiate safer sexual practices and are therefore at a higher risk of HIV and other sexually transmitted infections.

The negative consequences of child marriage reach beyond the girls themselves: children of child brides are 60 percent more likely to die in the first year of life than those born to mothers older than 19, and families of child brides are more likely to be poor and unhealthy.

Where Does Child Marriage Occur?

Child marriage occurs in every region of the world, and is practiced across cultures, religions, and ethnicities.

The highest rates of child marriage by country are observed in Sub-Saharan Africa, in countries such as Niger, the Central African Republic, and Chad. However, the largest number of child brides live in South Asia, where 46 percent of girls are married before the age of 18. Incidents of child marriage have been shown to increase as instability increases, making girls living in conflict or crisis settings particularly vulnerable to the practice.

I am so glad you are with me when it comes to stopping child marriage. I think you should join with me in opposing immigration from all countries that have high rates of child marriage. We should not desire those people or that culture. At least upon that we should agree! Please say it with me and sing it loud!

[Snipe]

I predict Snipe will have another dumb post claiming he predicted something awful.

It's low risk / high reward to predict the worst things in life. It happens with stock market prognosticators everyday. When they are wrong life just keeps moving on with little follow up, but when they're right they look like geniuses.

Are you saying you didn't think it was a Muslim that blew up Ariana Grande's concert? Didn't we all know that it would be? Are you saying you didn't suspect it?

Doesn't this stuff happen a lot? It happened and I was thinking, My God, they are going after our young women now. It was sobering. I knew who was doing it. And your reaction is: My God, this proves Snipe is some sort of misguided racist. I am not sure where you got from there to here, but I will give you credit, you are not the only one. Plenty of people think any questioning of Muslims or their culture after every single event is inherently racist.

I would ask when it would become pertinent to you and yours? At what point would Muslim bombings of little girls be a cause for concern? At what point would Muslim rapping of White Western women become a problem?

And much more important to me, as a man with children, is the existential question.

Where does this all end? Could you explain to me any scenario that has a pleasant ending? How is this all made nice in the end? All the hard work, all the suffering, all the deaths, how do you think the entanglement of Islam and Western Civilization will play out? Do you have an answer for that? Do you really? I would like to hear it, and I would like to hear it now.

I don't think importing millions of Muslims is in our National Interest. As a nation we get to choose who comes here. I vote no way.

You may think that is racist, even though I concede they are a White people.

But how does this end? I know how this particular argument usually ends, and that is with someone calling me a racist and a bigot. I am fine with that, I am used to it. It did used to bother me, I will admit. I just want to know on the sunny side if you got rid of bigots and racists like me how this all plays out in your world. How do you envision it? Do you still see Muslim terror bombings 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 years in the future? Because if you do, that might not be a great plan. I want to hear your plan. And if you see them subsiding because we all join twitter and do the hashtag #WESTANDWITHMANCHESTER, I want to hear that too. I really want to know if you think that is a viable solution.

[Snipe]

Your argument is way too subtle for Snipe to understand. He'll never ever get it.

You are a smart man, much smarter than I. So I would like you to explain how this all ends well.

Maybe that is all I need, a smart man like you explaining how it all ends well. Because personally, I am not feeling it, and I don't see that happening. So I need your insight right now.


Another story involving Muslims and terror....https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/police-man-hurling-racial-slurs-kills-2-injures-1-on-train/2017/05/26/594e9326-4287-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_train-stabbing-1205am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.5d65cd2704a5.

No Muslims died in that incident. Honestly I think since the turn of the century Muslims killing Christians vs Christians killing Muslims is wildly disproportionate in the United States. I wouldn't be surprised to see that it has been Muslims killing Christians at a 100-1 ratio. I am sure you can provide the stats.

It would be interesting to see.

[Snipe]

If you are going to call them as the post above states 'Muslim bombs' then just go ahead and use that same massive brush for all the other crap that people do in the name of religion. My point wasn't to shift blame away from the radicals, just that there are plenty of radicals to go around.

So Trump supporters are some radicals, and the people that kill young White women are radicals, but Hillary supporters are not radicals, mostly.

That is how I interpret your statement.

Do you view Trump supporters on par with the Muslims that keep killing and raping Western White Women?

[Snipe]

This is not clever.

This should not be a politically dividing phenomenon. Retaliation will always come with any level of imperialism. This is not unique to today, and it is not unique of Islam. If you think it is you are either blind or have an elementary understanding of human history.

Terrorists and imperial powers can both be immoral at the same time. Resist the urge to look for a sole recipient of blame. Boom...?

So I will ask the same question to you. How do you think this plays out? How do you think it should play out?

I guess you blame imperialism. We haven't had any colonies, but yet thousands dead since the turn of the century. How do you see this playing out? Do we deserve this in your opinion?

[Snipe]

This is absolutely a post of reason. Look no further than the US military bombing Syria and killing around 100 civilians the other day.

So if you agree with his post, do we deserve this? Over 100,000 people have already died in the Syrian Civil War. So you can cite one bombing with 100 civilians. I agree that sucks. I don't want to bomb any of them. The original Trump said he wouldn't get involved and that is one reason I backed him. I am sick of this crap. No more bombing Muslims is a good policy no matter who it is. But do we deserve the terror? You think it is justified to kill little girls?

[Snipe]

In the wake of the Manchester suicide bombing it emerged that British authorities were grappling with 500 investigations into 3,000 individuals.

On Friday security sources confirmed a further 20,000 individuals were said to have been considered “subjects of interest” in the past, although the period the figures cover is unclear.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/security-mi5-23000-subjects-interest-counter-terrorism-manchester-abedi-police-a7758671.html

I got an A in statistics at XU. Those are not good numbers in my estimation. I just don't see how the other side thinks this ends well. They tend to think this ends well when racists like me die off, but I don't see my death stopping their problem. They don't really have a plan or a vision.

[Snipe]

I predict a another disgruntled crazy white American will respond to this insane race baiting and stab random people on a train.

Oh wait.

Tell me when that happens again. I bet someone was stabbed on a train tonight, in fact I would bet good money on it. Would like to see how your prediction turns out now that we have eyes on the future and not the past.

[Snipe]

I honestly can't tell who is a woman and who is a man because this is the internet.

Most of the responses to my initial thread were attacks, but it doesn't appear that any woman did so.

It is my pet theory that women often ponder more than men, the existential questions, like how is this going to work out?

They also probably are more emotionally involved in the targeted bombing of little girls.

Anyone reading, man or woman is free to chime in by the way. I don't discriminate. How is this going to work out is a question we all must answer in one way or another. So leave your response here.

[Snipe]

It's absurd that this thread is still open.

HA!

I just wanted to do it again. It is funny that you would expect with your snowflake sensibilities that this thread should be closed.

Like if you close your eyes and say there is no place like home, and click those pretty little heels you will end up in Kansas.

You are such a pansy ass.

[Caf]

So I will ask the same question to you. How do you think this plays out? How do you think it should play out?

I guess you blame imperialism. We haven't had any colonies, but yet thousands dead since the turn of the century. How do you see this playing out? Do we deserve this in your opinion?

First, imperialism does not necessitate colonies, see my comment on an elementary understanding of history. It is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

I see no end in sight to the bombings in the Middle East by Western powers, and vice versa. We've been trying and failing to stabilize the Middle East since the end of WWII. I do genuinely think you're stupid if you watch these terrorist attacks and pretend its just unprovoked evil. We attack them and they attack us. This is modern war.

How should it play out is the million dollar question. Now we're at a place where Iraq is probably a half century away from being stable, and Syria is a humanitarian crisis even if we rout out ISIS, and then you have Iran, the crisis in Yemen, and Israel-Palestine. I think we should focus on civilians. Bombing them and stonewalling refugees is morally bankrupt and I think it will come back to bite us. Leaving entirely probably wouldn't stop all terrorists attacks, but I do think it would significantly decrease them. In every attack claim, ISIS mentions the bombings against them.

[Juice]

First, imperialism does not necessitate colonies, see my comment on an elementary understanding of history. It is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

I see no end in sight to the bombings in the Middle East by Western powers, and vice versa. We've been trying and failing to stabilize the Middle East since the end of WWII. I do genuinely think you're stupid if you watch these terrorist attacks and pretend its just unprovoked evil. We attack them and they attack us. This is modern war.

How should it play out is the million dollar question. Now we're at a place where Iraq is probably a half century away from being stable, and Syria is a humanitarian crisis even if we rout out ISIS, and then you have Iran, the crisis in Yemen, and Israel-Palestine. I think we should focus on civilians. Bombing them and stonewalling refugees is morally bankrupt and I think it will come back to bite us. Leaving entirely probably wouldn't stop all terrorists attacks, but I do think it would significantly decrease them. In every attack claim, ISIS mentions the bombings against them.

ISIS states that their goal is to convert everyone to Islam. Now the bombings probably have a lot to do with it, but you can't reason with a group that wants to convert the world. We could cease all operations in and around every Muslim country and they would still be coming after the US and those in Europe.

[paulxu]

You have 50 odd countries that are majority Muslim, and none of them want Syrian refugees. They might know them better than we do. They have more in common, they share a religion and a culture, and they don't want any of them.

Snipe, this makes little or no sense. There are maybe 6 million Syrian refugees. The prime driver in that civil war was probably the long drought that drove people to the cities where they couldn't be handled.

Regardless, Turkey has registered 3 million of those people, and Turkey is 98% Muslim.
Lebanon (majority Muslim) has registered 2 million. Jordan a million. And so on.
The US about 17,000.
It's an enormous humanitarian crisis, and some assistance to it can be a good thing.

[Caf]

ISIS states that their goal is to convert everyone to Islam. Now the bombings probably have a lot to do with it, but you can't reason with a group that wants to convert the world. We could cease all operations in and around every Muslim country and they would still be coming after the US and those in Europe.

That's what I said:


Leaving entirely probably wouldn't stop all terrorists attacks, but I do think it would significantly decrease them. In every attack claim, ISIS mentions the bombings against them.

[Juice]

That's what I said:

You said it would decrease if we ceased all bombings. I said that even if we did cease all operations that they still would be coming after us. They're lunatics.

This sounds like it had a lot to do with teh bombings: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/28/in-ramadan-massacre-egyptian-christians-killed-for-refusing-to-renounce-their-faith-in-jesus/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You said it would decrease if we ceased all bombings. I said that even if we did cease all operations that they still would be coming after us. They're lunatics.

This sounds like it had a lot to do with teh bombings: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/28/in-ramadan-massacre-egyptian-christians-killed-for-refusing-to-renounce-their-faith-in-jesus/

Are you really relying on Breitbart for your news? Please say you are joking here. Don't rely on them, they are salacious trash.

[Juice]

Are you really relying on Breitbart for your news? Please say you are joking here. Don't rely on them, they are salacious trash.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/middleeast/egypt-coptic-christian-attack.html?_r=0


Claiming to be security officers, the gunmen ordered the passengers to get out. They separated the men from the women and children, and instructed them to surrender their mobile phones. They told the men to recite the shahada, the Islamic declaration of faith.

When the men refused, the gunmen opened fire.

Does the NYT work for you?

Oh, and there is more...


There have been regular spasms of anti-Christian violence in the area, often triggered by tensions over the building of churches and underpinned by deep-rooted prejudices on the part of Muslim officials and the police.

But Friday’s attack suggested something new: that Christians in Minya are now vulnerable to attack by organized militant groups using the vast western desert as a staging ground.

In its determination to kill Christians, whom it gleefully terms as its “favorite prey,” the Islamic State has underscored its intent to wage a war of sectarian bloodshed in Egypt akin to the one it inflicted on Syria and Iraq.

[Juice]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippines-warns-islamist-militants-surrender-die-115626920.html


Hapilon, the Maute and other militants had been planning a major attack on Marawi, one of the few Islamic cities in the mainly Catholic Philippines with a population of 200,000 people, armed forces chief General Eduardo Ano said.

He said they were planning to launch the assault to coincide with the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which began on the weekend, but the raid on Hapilon triggered them to attack earlier, according to Ano.

A Muslim separatist rebellion in the southern Philippines has claimed more than 120,000 lives since the 1970s.


Philippine authorities on Tuesday warned Islamist militants occupying parts of a southern city to surrender or die, as attack helicopters pounded the gunmen's strongholds where up to 2,000 residents were feared trapped.

More than 100 people have been confirmed killed in the conflict, which began last week when gunmen waving black flags of the Islamic State (IS) group rampaged through the mostly Muslim-populated city of Marawi.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

What is your end game here??? Do you want a holy war? I am pretty sure that is exactly what ISIS wants. Congrats, you want to give them exactly what they are looking for.

[GoMuskies]

I don't want a holy war...but it seems like one group is already fighting a holy war. Ignoring the issue certainly won't make it go away.

[Juice]

What is your end game here??? Do you want a holy war? I am pretty sure that is exactly what ISIS wants. Congrats, you want to give them exactly what they are looking for.

Yeah man, I want a Christian vs Muslim holy war. No my point is that you cannot reason with a group of people that is operating across the globe and will only accept two outcomes: convert or die.

[Juice]

Those crazy Mormons...always committing honor killings against their sisters for leading a "Western" lifestyle

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/turkey-germany-honor-killing.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

[xu82]

Those crazy Mormons...always committing honor killings against their sisters for leading a "Western" lifestyle

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/europe/turkey-germany-honor-killing.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

There's some crazy shit in this world. And I mean SHIT.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yeah man, I want a Christian vs Muslim holy war. No my point is that you cannot reason with a group of people that is operating across the globe and will only accept two outcomes: convert or die.

Answer the question, when will you be happy with the US response to stuff like this? What is your end-game?

Up in Colorado City Mormons marry kids, each religion has their wackos.

[Juice]

Answer the question, when will you be happy with the US response to stuff like this? What is your end-game?

Up in Colorado City Mormons marry kids, each religion has their wackos.

Absolutely. But the difference is that most religions except one are declaring a holy war on the rest of the world for not having the same beliefs as them. There is no end game because they won't stop. I just don't like people tip toeing around what the common denominator is for a lot of this.

[paulxu]

This sounds like the crusades.

[Caf]

You said it would decrease if we ceased all bombings. I said that even if we did cease all operations that they still would be coming after us. They're lunatics.

This sounds like it had a lot to do with teh bombings: http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/05/28/in-ramadan-massacre-egyptian-christians-killed-for-refusing-to-renounce-their-faith-in-jesus/

My thinking is more long term. You may very well be right that ISIS attacks, at least in the U.S., would not go down substantially. By my count ISIS has carried out 5 here in the last 4 years, so any reduction would be hard to measure. I also don't question that we can stop ISIS, my question is what happens next? I'm concerned with the next ISIS created in a power vacuum, the next unstable government, the next crazed authoritarian. At this point, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, to the Gulf War, to the invasion of Iraq, to the war in Afghanistan, covert operations in Yemen, and now to the airstrikes in Syria, you'd have a hard time telling me we've done more good than harm.

So I ask you and Snipe the almighty Oracle of Cincinnati: how do you see another half century of US intervention in the Middle East playing out? Do you think continuous involvement will save or kill more Americans?

[Xville]

My thinking is more long term. You may very well be right that ISIS attacks, at least in the U.S., would not go down substantially. By my count ISIS has carried out 5 here in the last 4 years, so any reduction would be hard to measure. I also don't question that we can stop ISIS, my question is what happens next? I'm concerned with the next ISIS created in a power vacuum, the next unstable government, the next crazed authoritarian. At this point, since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, to the Gulf War, to the invasion of Iraq, to the war in Afghanistan, covert operations in Yemen, and now to the airstrikes in Syria, you'd have a hard time telling me we've done more good than harm.

So I ask you and Snipe the almighty Oracle of Cincinnati: how do you see another half century of US intervention in the Middle East playing out? Do you think continuous involvement will save or kill more Americans?

I'll chime in here. In my opinion, almost the entire Middle East is a lost cause. These people have been fighting since 1 A.D. and maybe even before then. They will continue to kill each other, and people in the West, with or without US involvement. From a humanitarian perspective though, it seems that we need to try to help somehow or some way for the innocent people that live there.

[Caf]

I'll chime in here. In my opinion, almost the entire Middle East is a lost cause. These people have been fighting since 1 A.D. and maybe even before then. They will continue to kill each other, and people in the West, with or without US involvement. From a humanitarian perspective though, it seems that we need to try to help somehow or some way for the innocent people that live there.

That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks bud!

[bobbiemcgee]

covfefe

[ArizonaXUGrad]

That's the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks bud!

Be careful when you paint with a wide brush, you just might paint yourself.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Shouldn't this thread be buried in the "Politics Thread"?

[BandAid]

The band "Oasis" is from Manchester. Their Canal Street gay village is supposed to be a cool place to visit (according to a gay guy). "Manchester by the Sea" is not the same place I don't think. That was everything I knew about Manchester up until recently.

[SemajParlor]

Shouldn't this thread be buried in the "Politics Thread"?

Be careful of appropriate suggestions. You may be labeled as a snowflake and triggered by the ever original and clever tough guys of real America.

[SemajParlor]

The band "Oasis" is from Manchester. Their Canal Street gay village is supposed to be a cool place to visit (according to a gay guy). "Manchester by the Sea" is not the same place I don't think. That was everything I knew about Manchester up until recently.

Don't forget there's a minor league baseball team named the Manchester Silk Worms.

[GoMuskies]

Shouldn't this thread be buried in the "Politics Thread"?

Hopefully the "temporary" ban on political topics is over by now.

[Juice]

Three different incidents in London today. Awesome.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/03/london-bridge-police-respond-to-reports-car-hitting-pedestrians.html

[Muskie in dayton]

Three different incidents in London today. Awesome.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/03/london-bridge-police-respond-to-reports-car-hitting-pedestrians.html

Let me guess... Muslims?

[Juice]

Let me guess... Muslims?

The fact that they yelled that they were doing it for Allah might indicate that but I don't want to jump to any conclusions.

[Lloyd Braun]

More Muslims? (https://www.yahoo.com/news/disgruntled-ex-employee-kills-5-self-orlando-workplace-shooting-sheriff-162038425.html)

[Muskie in dayton]

More Muslims? (https://www.yahoo.com/news/disgruntled-ex-employee-kills-5-self-orlando-workplace-shooting-sheriff-162038425.html)

Don't know but that wasn't terrorism. Did you read the story?

[Lloyd Braun]

Don't know but that wasn't terrorism. Did you read the story?

You may be missing the point.

Seven people die in London, five people die in Orlando. Why is Orlando not outrageous? Why does the media focus on ISIS and terrorism? Because it was a veteran that committed the crime in Orlando we view it differently? Because we are used to shootings and not bombings? What if this was a suicide bombing that killed five people instead of a disgruntled employee? It would be all over the news.

[waggy]

Terrorism is a covert ideologic war against soft targets, with an unknown number of threats. Though they both might be rage driven, a single disgruntled employee killing rampage is not the same thing.

[XU-PA]

Absolutely. But the difference is that most religions except one are declaring a holy war on the rest of the world for not having the same beliefs as them. There is no end game because they won't stop. I just don't like people tip toeing around what the common denominator is for a lot of this.

You think that a religion has declared "a holy war on the rest of the world"?

[Juice]

You think that a religion has declared "a holy war on the rest of the world"?

Excuuuuuse me, a portion of it (that more or less has members in every major country across the world) has stated that their objective is convert or die.

Yes, I realize that not all Muslims want us to die.

[Juice]

The Moroccan-Italian man who has been identified as the third London attacker told Italian authorities “I’m going to be a terrorist,” when he was stopped at Bologna Airport last year, an Italian security official told POLITICO.

http://www.politico.eu/article/third-london-attacker-was-known-to-uk-security-services/

[Lloyd Braun]

Terrorism is a covert ideologic war against soft targets, with an unknown number of threats. Though they both might be rage driven, a single disgruntled employee killing rampage is not the same thing.

Not sure what this means. Is it less important that the innocent people killed were killed by a white man? Less interesting? Why didn't our President address it, not ready to talk about gun violence yet?

I wasn't the only one (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5935854fe4b013c48169c043) to have this opinion and there is some interesting data in this article.

[Caf]

Not sure what this means. Is it less important that the innocent people killed were killed by a white man? Less interesting? Why didn't our President address it, not ready to talk about gun violence yet?

I wasn't the only one (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5935854fe4b013c48169c043) to have this opinion and there is some interesting data in this article.

I don't want to put words in Waggy's mouth, but he seems to be saying the employee rampage is a random act and doesn't get the notoriety of terrorism, since that's a unified and highly purposeful threat. You can't expect people to be as interested in rage outbursts because there's little to nothing that can be done to stop them. They just happen. It's kind of like how people get more upset about police killing unarmed blacks than police getting shot. Right Waggy?

[Lloyd Braun]

I don't want to put words in Waggy's mouth, but he seems to be saying the employee rampage is a random act and doesn't get the notoriety of terrorism, since that's a unified and highly purposeful threat. You can't expect people to be as interested in rage outbursts because there's little to nothing that can be done to stop them. They just happen. It's kind of like how people get more upset about police killing unarmed blacks than police getting shot. Right Waggy?

Do you believe there is nothing that can be done about gun violence or workplace violence? Wow.

[Muskie in dayton]

You may be missing the point.

Seven people die in London, five people die in Orlando. Why is Orlando not outrageous? Why does the media focus on ISIS and terrorism? Because it was a veteran that committed the crime in Orlando we view it differently? Because we are used to shootings and not bombings? What if this was a suicide bombing that killed five people instead of a disgruntled employee? It would be all over the news.

This story (Orlando work place shooting) was the front page of the USA Today, while there was an article on page 3 about people getting desensitized to acts of terrorism. So I don't know your point is accurate.

But contrary to your point, Islamic terrorism is a movement that threatens everyone - in airplanes, at concerts, riding trains, or just walking down a street. The work place shooting was an isolated act. So yes, terrorism is more outrageous and should be covered by the media accordingly.

[bobbiemcgee]

The last bomb attack in Manchester was done by Catholics. 3300 pounds of explosives. They phoned it in 90 minutes before it went off. 75,000 evacuated in 90 minutes. No fatalities but 200 injured.

[ammtd34]

The last bomb attack in Manchester was done by Catholics. 3300 pounds of explosives. They phoned it in 90 minutes before it went off. 75,000 evacuated in 90 minutes. No fatalities but 200 injured.

Ok?

[GuyFawkes38]

The last bomb attack in Manchester was done by Catholics. 3300 pounds of explosives. They phoned it in 90 minutes before it went off. 75,000 evacuated in 90 minutes. No fatalities but 200 injured.

Yeah, the IRA was bad.

But, could you imagine IRA members surrounding a 10 year old girl and attacking her with knives, like on London Bridge? Or could you imagine them beheading the 10 year old girl, like in Iraq? Yes, children were killed in IRA attacks, but nothing so intimately heinous as what ISIS has done. ISIS and its supporters are in a whole different league of evil.

[waggy]

I know one thing. I like the right to be armed.

[LA Muskie]

Yeah, the IRA was bad.

But, could you imagine IRA members surrounding a 10 year old girl and attacking her with knives, like on London Bridge? Or could you imagine them beheading the 10 year old girl, like in Iraq? Yes, children were killed in IRA attacks, but nothing so intimately heinous as what ISIS has done. ISIS and its supporters are in a whole different league of evil.

I personally find the intentional killing of 10 yr old children heinous, no matter the method. I'm sure the parents of IRA victims take no solace in the more "humane" murder by bomb or gunshot.


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[LA Muskie]

I know one thing. I like the right to be armed.

The right to be armed is mostly tempered by the other guy's right to be armed. Knowing that the other guy probably has a gun, is better at shooting it, probably has far fewer qualms about doing so, and almost certainly has much less to lose, doesn't make me feel all that safe, if I'm being honest.


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[Lloyd Braun]

This story (Orlando work place shooting) was the front page of the USA Today, while there was an article on page 3 about people getting desensitized to acts of terrorism. So I don't know your point is accurate.

But contrary to your point, Islamic terrorism is a movement that threatens everyone - in airplanes, at concerts, riding trains, or just walking down a street. The work place shooting was an isolated act. So yes, terrorism is more outrageous and should be covered by the media accordingly.

Just curious who reads a newspaper anymore? And what was the headline for the USA Today today? It was "Travel Tweets May Haunt Trump". It's a moot point anyways.

You seem to be hung up on Muslims and clearly are Islamophobic. Would you agree or do you have "many Muslim friends"?

And again there are far more workplace homicides than there are terrorist killings in the US. Terrorism thrives on media coverage, and vice versa. It's sick.

[waggy]

You seem to be hung up on Muslims and clearly are Islamophobic. .

Oh man. Hahahaha.

[SemajParlor]

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Yes, I realize that not all Muslims want us to die.

Legitimate question, so what's the point of this thread? If someone were to provide a 1 sentence takeaway from this thread, what would it be? Because it all seems pretty straight forward if we can at least agree on this basic understanding.

[waggy]

Legitimate question, so what's the point of this thread? If someone were to provide a 1 sentence takeaway from this thread, what would it be? Because it all seems pretty straight forward if we can at least agree on this basic understanding.

I'm not sure there is any rule that threads need to have a point, but I'll play along without going back and reading the OP. My takeaway is that we are dealing with evil psychopaths, and we have a very serious problem. I also don't buy that it's our fault.

[ammtd34]

Just curious who reads a newspaper anymore? And what was the headline for the USA Today today? It was "Travel Tweets May Haunt Trump". It's a moot point anyways.

You seem to be hung up on Muslims and clearly are Islamophobic. Would you agree or do you have "many Muslim friends"?

And again there are far more workplace homicides than there are terrorist killings in the US. Terrorism thrives on media coverage, and vice versa. It's sick.

What do you mean by this? People blow themselves up to be on the news?

[Caf]

I see the main divide in this thread as those who think the ideology of Islam is to blame for this and those who don't.

[ammtd34]

I see the main divide in this thread as those who think the ideology of Islam is to blame for this and those who don't.


How do you reconcile that with a group of people who identify as Muslims explicitly telling us that their holy books require them to do this?

[Lloyd Braun]

What do you mean by this? People blow themselves up to be on the news?

No but when an event gets extensive coverage do you think terrorist groups aren't happy about that? Why do you think they choose some of the most visible places?

[ammtd34]

No but when an event gets extensive coverage do you think terrorist groups aren't happy about that? Why do you think they choose some of the most visible places?

I don't know if they're happy about that. If they weren't happy about it, would they stop? There hasn't been much coverage about the 150 killed in Kabul. I don't know if that will cause them to stop.

[Caf]

How do you reconcile that with a group of people who identify as Muslims explicitly telling us that their holy books require them to do this?

I think anyone could make religion mean anything. A lot of religious texts are wide open for interpretation and manipulation. I believe the followers and attackers do this because they are from poor countries with no power structures, no solid education, and are easily manipulated. Religion obviously plays a role, but I see Islam as a means to an ends for terror leadership and supporters.

You are being pretty lazy in your attempts to understand what's going on if you stop at Islam as the scapegoat. There are centuries of history and an incredibly complex web of power struggles and relationships in the Middle East that are at play here.

[Caf]

I don't know if they're happy about that. If they weren't happy about it, would they stop? There hasn't been much coverage about the 150 killed in Kabul. I don't know if that will cause them to stop.

I'd say the bigger risk of publication is the inspiration of copycats and homegrown threats.

[ammtd34]

I think anyone could make religion mean anything. A lot of religious texts are wide open for interpretation and manipulation. I believe the followers and attackers do this because they are from poor countries with no power structures, no solid education, and are easily manipulated. Religion obviously plays a role, but I see Islam as a means to an ends for terror leadership and supporters.

You are being pretty lazy in your attempts to understand what's going on if you stop at Islam as the scapegoat. There are centuries of history and an incredibly complex web of power struggles and relationships in the Middle East that are at play here.

I agree that would be lazy, and I do not do that. I would also like our military to leave the middle east and recognize the role we've played there. The point I've tried to make in this thread is that I think it is incredibly naive of the hundreds of thousands who take to twitter whenever there is a terrorist attack to try to be the first to say, "This has nothing to do with Islam."

[SemajParlor]

My takeaway is that we are dealing with evil psychopaths, and we have a very serious problem. I also don't buy that it's our fault.

Which is why i asked that question, because I agree with you 100 percent on what you said. I seem to be wondering what people are actually arguing or stating when I read people say "oh look another Muslim." Even in 2017, is it that ridiculous to say the religion has clearly had a nightmarish effect on people? Like people clearly are using Islam as justification to committing terror. With that said, applying those people to the rest of the group of over a billion is quite literally stupid. What's the debate here?

[Juice]

A federal prosecutor dropped a bombshell in court Wednesday, telling a federal judge that the government estimates that as many as 100 girls may have had their genitals cut at the hands of a local doctor and her cohorts.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/2017/06/07/female-genital-mutilation-doctors-michigan/378219001/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Masterofreality]

Which is why i asked that question, because I agree with you 100 percent on what you said. I seem to be wondering what people are actually arguing or stating when I read people say "oh look another Muslim." Even in 2017, is it that ridiculous to say the religion has clearly had a nightmarish effect on people? Like people clearly are using Islam as justification to committing terror. With that said, applying those people to the rest of the group of over a billion is quite literally stupid. What's the debate here?

Well, you can pretty much apply that almost all males "of a group of over a billion people" disrespect, demean and mistreat women.....and that the two main sects of said group hate the hell out of each other.

What a F-ed up religion.

[Snipe]

The right to be armed is mostly tempered by the other guy's right to be armed. Knowing that the other guy probably has a gun, is better at shooting it, probably has far fewer qualms about doing so, and almost certainly has much less to lose, doesn't make me feel all that safe, if I'm being honest.

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The "Wild West" where everyone supposedly wore a gun was a much tamer time for homicide than America today. Even at the time bigger cities in the East had higher homicide rates, much less today.

Kennesaw, Georgia passed a law where everyone had to own a gun and ammunition, and they saw their crime rate drop 90%. Kennesaw is less White than America in general (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia), and they have incredibly low crime rates.


As of the census[1] of 2010, there were 29,783 people, 11,413 households, and 7,375 families residing in the city. There were 12,328 housing units at an average density of 1,027.3 per square mile (396.6/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 58.9% White, 22.3% Black, 10.8% Hispanic or Latino of any race, 5.3% Asian, 0.4% Native American, 0.02% Pacific Islander (U.S. Census), 4.7% from other Race (U.S. Census), and 3.0% non-Hispanic mixed of two or more races

That is interesting. So you may be tempered by the other guy having a gun, but where are you, at the OK Corral? Lets assume most people are fine and decent people. If you are in a public place, having well armed fine and decent people could be a good thing. Or you could always read "More Guns, Less Crime (https://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660)" and educate yourself.

But this thread really wasn't about guns. I guess we move the playing field to where liberals want to vent no matter what the argument. I don't think any of the recent terrorist attacks involved guns. I will happily defend the 2nd amendment, but that really wasn't the point.

[Snipe]

Not sure what this means. Is it less important that the innocent people killed were killed by a white man? Less interesting? Why didn't our President address it, not ready to talk about gun violence yet?

I wasn't the only one (http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5935854fe4b013c48169c043) to have this opinion and there is some interesting data in this article.

This thread isn't about gun violence. You can start your own thread about gun violence. These killings didn't involve guns from what I can tell. I know you want to switch to a familiar rant where you memorized the proper foaming from the mouth.


Do you believe there is nothing that can be done about gun violence or workplace violence? Wow.

This thread is not about gun violence or workplace violence. It is about Muslim terrorism.

[Snipe]

No but when an event gets extensive coverage do you think terrorist groups aren't happy about that? Why do you think they choose some of the most visible places?

I think they are happy with getting coverage. They slaughtered young girls in Manchester. It made the news. I think they were delighted.

Do you think we can stop them by ignoring the slaughter of little girls? Is that the strategy?

Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal)

They ignored Muslim rape of White Women and little girls for years in Rotherham.


From January 2011 Andrew Norfolk of The Times pressed the issue, reporting in 2012 that the abuse in the town was widespread, and that the police and council had known about it for over ten years.


In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that at least 1,400 children, most of them white girls aged 11–15, had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by a network of British-Pakistani men

That is beyond disgusting.


The abuse included gang rape, forcing children to watch rape, dousing them with petrol and threatening to set them on fire, threatening to rape their mothers and younger sisters, and trafficking them to other towns. There were pregnancies—at least one at age 12—terminations, miscarriages, babies raised by their mothers, and babies removed, causing further trauma.

The failure to address the abuse was attributed to a combination of factors revolving around race, class and gender—contemptuous and sexist attitudes toward the mostly working-class victims; fear that the perpetrators' ethnicity would trigger allegations of racism and damage community relations; the Labour council's reluctance to challenge a Labour-voting ethnic minority; lack of a child-centred focus; a desire to protect the town's reputation; and lack of training and resources

So for political reasons they ignored it and guess what, it didn't stop. They were afraid they would be called racists, and an estimated number of "at least" 1400 children, mostly White working class 14 and under were raped.

I may be a reactionary extremist, but you don't have to be one to judge this one. If you can't protect your women, you are no longer a nation. A man has an obligation to protect his woman best he can, and a nation has the same. You let people come in and prey on you, and its over.

Just a sidebar.

[Snipe]

You may be missing the point.

Seven people die in London, five people die in Orlando. Why is Orlando not outrageous? Why does the media focus on ISIS and terrorism? Because it was a veteran that committed the crime in Orlando we view it differently? Because we are used to shootings and not bombings? What if this was a suicide bombing that killed five people instead of a disgruntled employee? It would be all over the news.

Orlando is outrageous, if you consider every instance of workplace violence where people snap and kill people outrageous. I tend to think that is outrageous. Why is Orlando not outrageous? Because of the competition it faces with people trying to kill innocent little girls at a concert.

Now in his mentally maladjusted mind, the guy in Orlando was treated unjustly and those people had what was coming to them. And I will also agree that in the case of Muslim killing young White women he thought they had it coming to them as well. One of the big differences is that one of these has backing and a big support group. The freakout White veteran doesn't have a support group urging him on.

For you to compare the two, and fail to comprehend the difference is truly amazing.

Nobody was arrested in the Orlando shooting, because the guy killed himself. He went out with a bang. I am not a fan and I am against the killing of innocents, and I am not trying to discount his crimes.

To return to the topic of this post:


On 22 May 2017, a suicide bombing occurred at Manchester Arena in Manchester, England, following a concert by American singer Ariana Grande. Twenty-three adults and children were killed, including the attacker, and 119 were injured, 23 critically.

142 victims on May 22nd


On 3 June 2017 an attack took place in the Southwark district of London, England, when a van driven at high speed mounted the pavement of London Bridge and was driven into pedestrians. The van crashed, and the three male occupants ran to the nearby Borough Market pub and restaurant area, where they stabbed people with long knives. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd stated that the attackers were believed to be Islamist terrorists.
Eight people were killed and 48 were injured, including four unarmed police officers who attempted to stop the assailants.

56 victims on June 3rd, less than two weeks after the May 22nd concert. In less than two weeks, nearly 200 physical victims. Plenty more victims are around if you include mental victims (mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, best friends, and even friends with benefits).

One commenter on the British Telegraph newspaper said this:


It really is well beyond time to ruthlessly shut down these animals. We can't just lurch from incident to incident infinitum, like it's as normal as traffic accidents. That would be a massive lose, no matter what the politicians tell us from behind their security details!

I really feel his pain. We can't just keep going on as before.

So back to your point again Lloyd. Why don't we view the White guy in Orlando as bad as these incidents? Is that your point? Do you think I have answered it?

Lloyd, this isn't the Puffington Host comment section, and you are just a pseudo intellectual looking for social status points with regurgitated babble ("I am one of the good guys! Lets talk about this evil White guy instead!).

These two incidents don't actually conflate with one another, and your arguments are weak. This isn't a gun issue, those terrorists had vehicles, bombs and knives, but no guns.

[Snipe]

What is your end game here??? Do you want a holy war? I am pretty sure that is exactly what ISIS wants. Congrats, you want to give them exactly what they are looking for.

You didn't ask me, but I will tell you what I want. It isn't a holy war. I don't want Muslim immigration. I want to stop them from coming here and let them alone to kill each other, which they do at great rates. I liked Trump when he said these were stupid wars and wanted to rid us of these costly foreign entanglements. I hope that he keeps his word.

[Snipe]

First, imperialism does not necessitate colonies, see my comment on an elementary understanding of history. It is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

I see no end in sight to the bombings in the Middle East by Western powers, and vice versa. We've been trying and failing to stabilize the Middle East since the end of WWII. I do genuinely think you're stupid if you watch these terrorist attacks and pretend its just unprovoked evil. We attack them and they attack us. This is modern war.

How should it play out is the million dollar question. Now we're at a place where Iraq is probably a half century away from being stable, and Syria is a humanitarian crisis even if we rout out ISIS, and then you have Iran, the crisis in Yemen, and Israel-Palestine. I think we should focus on civilians. Bombing them and stonewalling refugees is morally bankrupt and I think it will come back to bite us. Leaving entirely probably wouldn't stop all terrorists attacks, but I do think it would significantly decrease them. In every attack claim, ISIS mentions the bombings against them.

I actually agree with you more than you think.

the Council on Foreign Relation’s Micah Zenko added up the defense department’s data on airstrikes and made a startling revelation: in 2016 alone, the Obama administration dropped at least 26,171 bombs. This means that every day last year, the US military blasted combatants or civilians overseas with 72 bombs; that’s three bombs every hour, 24 hours a day. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy)

Obama was really into the drone killings. It is a human-less machine creping over the landscape. A predator waiting to kill. For some people in the world, all they know of America is the machines that spray death from the sky. I can imagine the palpable fear these people have when they see one of those drones. And we say they hate us because of our transgendered freedom!

I think we should bomb Afghanistan not with bunker busters, but with transgender bathrooms.

I think that Muslims are inbred.

They are inbred because of their horrible culture, which I think is inferior to my Western culture. How could anyone think the two cultures are equal?

Muslim women cover their heads in public, and can only go in public in many Muslim countries with male relative escorts.

So the only girls you ever get to see are related to you, so you end up with a lot of inbreeding and cousin marriages.

Inbreeding isn't good for the genome in a general sense, though the Jews have done alright with it (Einstein married his 1st cousin). Cousin marriage in the Muslim world is rampant. It isn't good for the genes. Western Civ by and large is against incestuous relationships, and many incestuous relationships are formally banned by essentially Eugenic laws that we refuse to recognize as Eugenic, because Eugenics is BADD!. But they don't have those laws, customs or social mores, so they inbreed constantly.

That is one reason why Muslims in the Middle East have lower IQs, and also from my perspective, are not very attractive. Maybe their is a good reason after a few generations of inbreeding to keep that veil on!

Here is a list of World ranking of countries by their average IQ (https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country)

If you look at that list, one problem Muslim countries have is a dearth in human capital.

Egypt 81
Syria 83
Lebanon 82
Iran 84
Kuwait 86
Jordan 84
Iraq 87
Libya 83

You get the picture. That is what inbreeding does. You get millions of these dolts together, and it is no surprise that you can't create a polite society.

It also explains the realists in other Muslim nations that refuse to take Muslim refugees. Around 50 majority Muslim nations, and they aren't clamoring for more and more Syrian refugees. Only we do that, because those dim Syrians will surely end up voting Democrat.

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Shouldn't this thread be buried in the "Politics Thread"?


Killing a bunch of little White Women is just politics to Mrs. Garrett.

That made me laugh. Killing girls is just politics.

I remember the good old days when killing little girls wasn't political@!

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Be careful of appropriate suggestions. You may be labeled as a snowflake and triggered by the ever original and clever tough guys of real America.

Is the killing of little White women a political act? Do you think it appropriate to brush it all off as politics?

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In the end, we have a benefit concert with all the trappings. I am for the money going for the victims, but does anyone feel like this solved the problem? Will Manchester be OK from now on? Or will we need another benefit concert and another hashtag next time. It saddens me that social justice warriors can't really change the world with their #cleverhastags.

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In the end, we have a benefit concert with all the trappings. I am for the money going for the victims, but does anyone feel like this solved the problem? Will Manchester be OK from now on? Or will we need another benefit concert and another hashtag next time. It saddens me that social justice warriors can't really change the world with their #cleverhastags.

Probably not considering the British almost elected a new PM who is an anti-Semite and calls Hezbollah his "friends."

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