2017-18 OOC schedule

[RyanblockXU]

I just saw that UC landed a home and home with UCLA, which is a huge Blue blood on the schedule. And it had me thinking about what our Non conference will look like next year and if we even have room to schedule any high majors next year.

I think we may need to game the RPI a little again if not with our buy games.

So far we have (please correct me if Im wrong):
1. Colorado (loses 3 starters) trending down
2. @utah (loses 1 starter but Kuzma could enter the draft and they would lose their star) Staying the same or trending down if they lose Kuzma
3. Baylor ( Loses 2 starters and may also lose Motley to the draft) Trending down even if they retain Motley IMO
4. @Northern Iowa (Loses 2 starters on a bad team already) Staying the same
5. Cincinnati ( loses 2 starters, but replaces with potentially better players and deeper bench) Trending up
6. Arizona State/Kansas State (TBD)
7. George Washington (TBD)


I would imagine we fill the Rest with High end buy games. And the way the schedule sits now, it will probably be top 40 but unless we have a surprise team like Baylor take off (or God forbid, UC takes off), it doesn't really pack much punch just mostly gaming the RPI.

Do you think we add any high level games?

[GoMuskies]

Northern Iowa is on the road, right?

[RyanblockXU]

Northern Iowa is on the road, right?

Yea I fixed


Speaking of which... it sucks to give a home and home to a bad team but we couldn't predict their success wasn't gonna last long

[nuts4xu]

Will UC play UCLA at BB&T?

[RyanblockXU]

Will UC play UCLA at BB&T?

No next year is at ucla and then ucla will come to the new fifth third

[xavierj]

No next year is at ucla and then ucla will come to the new fifth third

Supposedly Xavier will be adding another big game. But to be honest, they no longer have to play a gauntlet to pad the RPI. The big east is tough enough. UC on the other hand needs to toughen up the schedule. I am fine with how Xavier goes about the non conference. As for UCLA, the may be blue blood but they don't have a blue blood following. On top of that they have not gotten past the sweet 16 since 2008 and did not make tourney in 2016. With what they lose, they will be trending down.

[RyanblockXU]

Supposedly Xavier will be adding another big game. But to be honest, they no longer have to play a gauntlet to pad the RPI. The big east is tough enough. UC on the other hand needs to toughen up the schedule. I am fine with how Xavier goes about the non conference. As for UCLA, the may be blue blood but they don't have a blue blood following. On top of that they have not gotten past the sweet 16 since 2008 and did not make tourney in 2016. With what they lose, they will be trending down.

UCLA is fringe blue blood but they do bring in the #2 ranked recruiting class next season and add guys like Kris Wilkes. Also if that 7 foot white returns and holiday; they could be very good.

I think perception is also greater then reality. Ucla is s team who also just did a home and home with Kentucky.

UC maybe the only top 25 team we play next year so I'd like to add just 1 more

[EastCoastXman]

What's the word on the Big East Big 10 Challenge. On the road for year 1 and DNP last year. Should we be getting a home game in this event?

[Muskie]

What's the word on the Big East Big 10 Challenge. On the road for year 1 and DNP last year. Should we be getting a home game in this event?

I heard we do not get a Gavitt game again.


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[nuts4xu]

I heard we do not get a Gavitt game this coming season.


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Fixed it for you...

[atljar]

LOL. Gavitt is an 8 year deal, and we were guaranteed 6 games. So no more dodging allowed after this year. Pansies

[Olsingledigit]

LOL. Gavitt is an 8 year deal, and we were guaranteed 6 games. So no more dodging allowed after this year. Pansies

Can't believe we missed out on the Big Ten again. Correct we should get five straight games after this year.

[XU 23]

I just saw that UC landed a home and home with UCLA, which is a huge Blue blood on the schedule.

Gotta get that quality loss out of the way early.

[GIMMFD]

I'm okay with our schedule, have a good mix of games to help get the Freshman up to speed some, and help the team get into a rhythm, better than scheduling a bunch of Top 25 teams, and us losing a few and losing some confidence in ourselves throughout the season. The beginning is always to build the guys up, and get things sorted out. Would I love for a Blue Blood to come to Cintas?? Hell yes, but I don't really see who'd do it, UK & U of L doubtfully would, and with the Gavitt games going on, I don't see why Indiana would either, so it would be someone taking a small trek to come play us at home.. I wouldn't mind a home and home with someone, just don't know who'd value that yet. We're at this weird point where we're very good, but not nationally as respected, so it still comes off as a negative stigma losing to us, which I consider BS.

[Xavier]

I don't see that at all. (A negative stigma losing to us...especially at home). Still, it doesn't make sense for an Indiana/Uk/U of L to play at Cintas. We certainly could get some higher level teams, though. I am still hoping to see MSU in the Big10/Big East thing in the Cintas Center at some point.


Mid-High level Teams I think we could realistically get (and I'd like to see) to play at Cintas:
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
West Virginia
Virginia
Kansas
Florida.
ND

I am probably wrong on Kansas- but I think all those other schools would be open to home and home series. We won't see a team like Duke/UNC/Kentucky play at Cintas.

[AviatorX]

I don't see that at all. (A negative stigma losing to us...especially at home). Still, it doesn't make sense for an Indiana/Uk/U of L to play at Cintas. We certainly could get some higher level teams, though. I am still hoping to see MSU in the Big10/Big East thing in the Cintas Center at some point.


Mid-High level Teams I think we could realistically get (and I'd like to see) to play at Cintas:
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
West Virginia
Virginia
Kansas
Florida.
ND

I am probably wrong on Kansas- but I think all those other schools would be open to home and home series. We won't see a team like Duke/UNC/Kentucky play at Cintas.

Solid list. Gonzaga, Virginia, and Florida have all come to Cintas before.

I think most good high majors are just playing very very few true road games against other good high majors these days. Made for TV neutral events are the name of the game.

Xavier (thanks to Mario) is also the best school in the country at putting together schedules that don't look as sexy on paper, but always end up very strong. He always has great insights on his annual podcast with Rick that make it clear he has a lengthy list of factors to consider in each game scheduled. X is in good hands.

[94GRAD]

Can't believe we missed out on the Big Ten again. Correct we should get five straight games after this year.

With three of them at home

[GoMuskies]

With three of them at home

They'll probably give us Rutgers, Penn State and Nebraska. Oh boy!

[bleedXblue]

We ought to get some of the best programs as we are clearly one of the top 3 programs in the league.....

[MuskieXU]

I don't see that at all. (A negative stigma losing to us...especially at home). Still, it doesn't make sense for an Indiana/Uk/U of L to play at Cintas. We certainly could get some higher level teams, though. I am still hoping to see MSU in the Big10/Big East thing in the Cintas Center at some point.


Mid-High level Teams I think we could realistically get (and I'd like to see) to play at Cintas:
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
West Virginia
Virginia
Kansas
Florida.
ND

I am probably wrong on Kansas- but I think all those other schools would be open to home and home series. We won't see a team like Duke/UNC/Kentucky play at Cintas.

This is a really good list, I'd love to play any of the teams you mentioned in home and homes. I will mention that UNC actually agreed to a home and home in 2010/2011 but we decided to take one with Florida instead as we thought we had a better chance of winning at Florida (which we did.) With that said, I dont think itd be impossible to get teams like UNC/Louisville/Michigan St to play at the Cintas, but those opportunities are obviously few and far between.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville plays exactly zero of those types of games other than UK (and the ACC/Big Ten challenge). They played at Grand Canyon last year, but that was a 2 for 1 deal.

[bobbiemcgee]

Xavier (thanks to Mario) is also the best school in the country at putting together schedules that don't look as sexy on paper, but always end up very strong. He always has great insights on his annual podcast with Rick that make it clear he has a lengthy list of factors to consider in each game scheduled. X is in good hands.

Yes, I think he does a great job. Very Good OOC so far. Some other schools (espec. one to the Nprth) would kill for it. Cya in Vegas!

[GIMMFD]

I don't see that at all. (A negative stigma losing to us...especially at home). Still, it doesn't make sense for an Indiana/Uk/U of L to play at Cintas. We certainly could get some higher level teams, though. I am still hoping to see MSU in the Big10/Big East thing in the Cintas Center at some point.


Mid-High level Teams I think we could realistically get (and I'd like to see) to play at Cintas:
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
West Virginia
Virginia
Kansas
Florida.
ND

I am probably wrong on Kansas- but I think all those other schools would be open to home and home series. We won't see a team like Duke/UNC/Kentucky play at Cintas.

I don't know, for some reason being outside of Cincinnati (it could just be the people I'm surrounded with, so take it with a grain of salt) it seems like many people don't either A. Know much about Xavier or B. Oh you went to Xavier, they're like decently good at basketball right? I still don't think we have brand recognition in the "casual watchers" circle, in the people that follow basketball yes, I think we 100% have a good reputation, I'm just not 100% convinced we're a household name yet, which I think is improving year by year.

On that list, I'd love to see us play home and home's with any of those teams, West Virginia would be pretty fun, but do you think Huggins would want to step foot in Cintas right now? My mind says no. They schedule a lot softer than us as well. It'd be fun though to see what we could do against the press in a game setting though, that's for sure.

[xufan2434]

I would love another home/home with Florida. Mike White is a really good young coach and they should be on the up and up in the coming years. Wouldn't mind having one with Notre Dame either, think that would be a good fit. Is the UVA/Nova series over? I would agree with that one as well.

Besides Baylor and Utah, when's the last H&H X has done out west? I wouldn't mind Oklahoma St or Iowa St out of the Big 12 either. We're not getting Kansas unless we agree to a 2&1 IMO. TCU actually wouldn't be bad either with Dixon running things now.

[GoMuskies]

I think we're still thought of as a perennial Cinderella by a lot of people, which is somewhat bolstered by the fact that none of the Chris Mack Sweet Sixteen teams were seeded to get that far (6, 7, 6, and 11 seeds). The one team we've had that could have changed that narrative crapped out in the second round.

And that is certainly not a complaint. Just an explanation of why the "casual" fan thinks of Xavier that way.

[MuskieXU]

I would love another home/home with Florida. Mike White is a really good young coach and they should be on the up and up in the coming years. Wouldn't mind having one with Notre Dame either, think that would be a good fit. Is the UVA/Nova series over? I would agree with that one as well.

Besides Baylor and Utah, when's the last H&H X has done out west? I wouldn't mind Oklahoma St or Iowa St out of the Big 12 either. We're not getting Kansas unless we agree to a 2&1 IMO. TCU actually wouldn't be bad either with Dixon running things now.

Gonzaga, and before that Arizona State. I agree with Iowa State, although OK State may drop off after losing Underwood. Illinois and Northwestern are two more teams on the up and up I'd be happy to play against.

[LA Muskie]

I don't know, for some reason being outside of Cincinnati (it could just be the people I'm surrounded with, so take it with a grain of salt) it seems like many people don't either A. Know much about Xavier or B. Oh you went to Xavier, they're like decently good at basketball right? I still don't think we have brand recognition in the "casual watchers" circle, in the people that follow basketball yes, I think we 100% have a good reputation, I'm just not 100% convinced we're a household name yet, which I think is improving year by year.
This is my left coast experience as well.


I think we're still thought of as a perennial Cinderella by a lot of people, which is somewhat bolstered by the fact that none of the Chris Mack Sweet Sixteen teams were seeded to get that far (6, 7, 6, and 11 seeds). The one team we've had that could have changed that narrative crapped out in the second round. And that is certainly not a complaint. Just an explanation of why the "casual" fan thinks of Xavier that way.
Agreed.

[GoMuskies]

We were actually a 10 and not a 7, now that I think about it. Forgot that ND was wearing white and not us.

[xu95]

There is a 0.0% chance we get a home and home with Kansas. These are the kind of games they love to play at the Sprint Center. If we actually had a decent neutral arena in Cincinnati, we could probably get a neutral/neutral game.

[GetUp5]

UCLA is fringe blue blood but they do bring in the #2 ranked recruiting class next season and add guys like Kris Wilkes. Also if that 7 foot white returns and holiday; they could be very good.

I think perception is also greater then reality. Ucla is s team who also just did a home and home with Kentucky.

UC maybe the only top 25 team we play next year so I'd like to add just 1 more

UCLA is not a fringe blue blood. They are a blue blood.

UC will not be the only top 25 team we play next season.

[GoMuskies]

UC will not be the only top 25 team we play next season.

I think he meant OOC. And they very well may be.

[X-band '01]

I would love another home/home with Florida. Mike White is a really good young coach and they should be on the up and up in the coming years. Wouldn't mind having one with Notre Dame either, think that would be a good fit. Is the UVA/Nova series over? I would agree with that one as well.

Besides Baylor and Utah, when's the last H&H X has done out west? I wouldn't mind Oklahoma St or Iowa St out of the Big 12 either. We're not getting Kansas unless we agree to a 2&1 IMO. TCU actually wouldn't be bad either with Dixon running things now.

Unfortunately, Notre Dame is one of several teams that loads up on cupcakes OOC - don't expect to see them paired up unless it's a made-for-TV matchup like the one they had against Villanova in Newark last season.

[RyanblockXU]

UCLA is not a fringe blue blood. They are a blue blood.

UC will not be the only top 25 team we play next season.

by History UCA is a blue blood no doubt, but I still think they are a tier below UK, Kansas, UNC and DUKE in the last 10 years or so.



As for UC, I was referring to OOC and I am almost 100% confident they will be the best team we play in the non conference all season. Baylor, Utah and Colorado will not be as good and as a person who tends to follow all college basketball, not just X, I think UC will be even better then they were this year.

UC brings back Evans, Clark, & Washington and then adds Cumberland as a full time starter. UC fans always say their offense is better but next year, they absolutely will be a very good offensive team with the entire lineup able to shoot from anywhere on the court.

Then add in their transfer PG , Cane Broome. Who averaged 23 Ppg at Sacred heart 2 years ago and is the exact opposite of Troy Slopain. he is a quick fast paced guard who will push the pace.

that all said, they can't win at Cintas even if we spotted them 20 points. So I think we beat them no matter what, but UC will be a top 10-15 team next year.

[GetUp5]

by History UCA is a blue blood no doubt, but I still think they are a tier below UK, Kansas, UNC and DUKE in the last 10 years or so.



As for UC, I was referring to OOC and I am almost 100% confident they will be the best team we play in the non conference all season. Baylor, Utah and Colorado will not be as good and as a person who tends to follow all college basketball, not just X, I think UC will be even better then they were this year.

UC brings back Evans, Clark, & Washington and then adds Cumberland as a full time starter. UC fans always say their offense is better but next year, they absolutely will be a very good offensive team with the entire lineup able to shoot from anywhere on the court.

Then add in their transfer PG , Cane Broome. Who averaged 23 Ppg at Sacred heart 2 years ago and is the exact opposite of Troy Slopain. he is a quick fast paced guard who will push the pace.

that all said, they can't win at Cintas even if we spotted them 20 points. So I think we beat them no matter what, but UC will be a top 10-15 team next year.

Not debating the quality of UC's team next year at all. They will be very good.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Not debating the quality of UC's team next year at all. They will be very good.

PG will be an issue for them. Broom is really an unknown, he could be good but he may not be good. Jennifer is not good at all. They do have a kid from Brooklyn coming in. That said, next year could be their best year. Clark and Washington are both legit, and Evans/Cumberland on the wings is fearsome. They will need one of the three PGs to be decent and they will have depth.

[JTG]

I don't see that at all. (A negative stigma losing to us...especially at home). Still, it doesn't make sense for an Indiana/Uk/U of L to play at Cintas. We certainly could get some higher level teams, though. I am still hoping to see MSU in the Big10/Big East thing in the Cintas Center at some point.


Mid-High level Teams I think we could realistically get (and I'd like to see) to play at Cintas:
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
West Virginia
Virginia
Kansas
Florida.
ND

I am probably wrong on Kansas- but I think all those other schools would be open to home and home series. We won't see a team like Duke/UNC/Kentucky play at Cintas.
I don't care if we never ever see Wisconsin again, never, ever.period....

[XMuskieFTW]

Not debating the quality of UC's team next year at all. They will be very good.

UC just picked up a H/H with Mississippi State starting at NKU this season. Not a bad game for them.

[muskiefan82]

Do you think it's easier to get a game with a Miss. St. if the road team doesn't actually have to play the home team at their actual home?

[RyanblockXU]

PG will be an issue for them. Broom is really an unknown, he could be good but he may not be good. Jennifer is not good at all. They do have a kid from Brooklyn coming in. That said, next year could be their best year. Clark and Washington are both legit, and Evans/Cumberland on the wings is fearsome. They will need one of the three PGs to be decent and they will have depth.

Broome seems legit. He should give UC a point guard who wants to get to the rim. But really they don't need much production from the point, they have double digit scoring options from the other 4 spots.

Also they bring in 4 star Keith Williams who has been climbing the recruiting ranks.

That said, tomorrow night naji and Scruggs will play in the AI round ball classic and UC's Keith Williams is playing on the same team as naji. Makes me want to watch it tomorrow

[xubrew]

I'm not a fan of buy games, but NKU, College of Charleston, and Vermont would be gold standard buy games to schedule. If we must play them, then that's who we should play.

NKU has virtually everyone back and could even flirt with the bubble this year kinda like Valpo has done for the past two years.

College of Charleston may do more than just flirt with the bubble if they're able to put together a tough schedule. Chances are this will be Earl Grant's last year there. He walked into a shit hole (and that might be an understatement) and has completely turned it around.

Vermont is always solid. They blew through the America East and actually stayed with Purdue in the Round of 64. I think they've got four starters back as well.

[Xavier]

UC will be top 25. They won't ever be a threat to go far in the tournament with Mick at the helm, though. Works perfectly for X- continue to beat them most of the time and as they coast through conference play the win looks better.

[xufan2434]

Gonzaga, and before that Arizona State. I agree with Iowa State, although OK State may drop off after losing Underwood. Illinois and Northwestern are two more teams on the up and up I'd be happy to play against.

Yeah forgot about Underwood leaving. Illinois should be back to at least decent in 2 years with the class they have coming in and him coaching. I'd be all in for Northwestern once their arena is re-modeled (I live in Chicago). For some reason I cannot for the life of me remember that XU @ Zaga game back in 2010. Remember 2011 quite well. And now I'm realizing they've been kicking our ass the last couple meetings

I'm not the biggest Buzz Williams fan but Virginia Tech would be a sneaky good H&H for the coming years as well

[GoMuskies]

And now I'm realizing they've been kicking our ass the last couple meetings


Yes, in light of that, the constant complaining around here that we should get as much media love as Gonzaga because our programs are on equal footing has always baffled me. I certainly hope we step it up and reach their level soon.

[xubrew]

Yes, in light of that, the constant complaining around here that we should get as much media love as Gonzaga because our programs are on equal footing has always baffled me. I certainly hope we step it up and reach their level soon.

I have always thought that as well, but you actually said it.

[xubrew]

I'm not a fan of buy games, but NKU, College of Charleston, and Vermont would be gold standard buy games to schedule. If we must play them, then that's who we should play.

NKU has virtually everyone back and could even flirt with the bubble this year kinda like Valpo has done for the past two years.

College of Charleston may do more than just flirt with the bubble if they're able to put together a tough schedule. Chances are this will be Earl Grant's last year there. He walked into a shit hole (and that might be an understatement) and has completely turned it around.

Vermont is always solid. They blew through the America East and actually stayed with Purdue in the Round of 64. I think they've got four starters back as well.

With the class Western Kentucky has coming in, they'd be another good team to get on the schedule.

[GIMMFD]

Yeah forgot about Underwood leaving. Illinois should be back to at least decent in 2 years with the class they have coming in and him coaching. I'd be all in for Northwestern once their arena is re-modeled (I live in Chicago). For some reason I cannot for the life of me remember that XU @ Zaga game back in 2010. Remember 2011 quite well. And now I'm realizing they've been kicking our ass the last couple meetings

I'm not the biggest Buzz Williams fan but Virginia Tech would be a sneaky good H&H for the coming years as well

I rather drink cyanide than deal with Buzz Williams ever again. He rubs me the wrong way.

[GoMuskies]

With the class Western Kentucky has coming in, they'd be another good team to get on the schedule.

That would be a pretty fantastic buy game if we could get it. They might not do that without a return from Xavier, though. I'd say a Nashville game, but I'm not sure Western/Xavier could justify a game in Nashville.

[AviatorX]

That would be a pretty fantastic buy game if we could get it. They might not do that without a return from Xavier, though. I'd say a Nashville game, but I'm not sure Western/Xavier could justify a game in Nashville.

They were bought to come to Cintas in 15-16.

[X-band '01]

They were bought to come to Cintas in 15-16.

That was Ray Harper's WKU team - Rick Stansbury had a decent career at Mississippi State before coming to WKU.

[xubrew]

They were bought to come to Cintas in 15-16.

Yes, but that was before they had a top ten recruiting class.

[xubrew]

I hate buy games, and I know I complain endlessly about them, but if our four buy games are Western Kentucky, Vermont, NKU, and CofC, I promise to not complain. Not one word.

[AviatorX]

That was Ray Harper's WKU team - Rick Stansbury had a decent career at Mississippi State before coming to WKU.


Yes, but that was before they had a top ten recruiting class.

Understood on both fronts, but has the culture/financial situation of the program changed that drastically in such a short period of time? I imagine they still need to be on the recipient end of one or two buy games at this point.

[xubrew]

Understood on both fronts, but has the culture/financial situation of the program changed that drastically in such a short period of time? I imagine they still need to be on the recipient end of one or two buy games at this point.

I agree. I just hope they realize that because one way or another they need to get good teams to play them. Since they are in a conference with 13 other teams that will not be good, it's important to seek out those types of OOC games.

I would love it if Xavier played them. I know we won't do a H&H with them, but I wouldn't complain if we did.

EDIT: Middle Tennessee will not be good next year. I think their ceiling is the bubble of the NIT.

[XUFan09]

I rather drink cyanide than deal with Buzz Williams ever again. He rubs me the wrong way.
I laughed when he did a two-step to "Country Roads" after beating WVU.

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[GIMMFD]

I laughed when he did a two-step to "Country Roads" after beating WVU.

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I almost threw a sneaker through the damn television. HATE HIM SO MUCH. I was happy WVU rolled them by 25 this year.

[XUFan09]

I almost threw a sneaker through the damn television. HATE HIM SO MUCH. I was happy WVU rolled them by 25 this year.
Lol no sympathies, having lived around WVU fans for a year.

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[GIMMFD]

Lol no sympathies, having lived around WVU fans for a year.

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No argument here, I'm on the milder side of the spectrum and I can't even put up with some of our fan-base. Completely delusional. Regardless, I hate Buzz Williams and that's the take home point here.

[Muskie]

Here is the Enquirer's take (link (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/04/21/xaviers-opponents-announced-continental-tire-las-vegas-invitational/100751484/)).

Additional details weren't provided regarding which teams Xavier will likely host at Cintas Center for early-round games, and which it will play later in Las Vegas.
While still murky, the announcement of the Las Vegas Invitational field makes the Musketeers' 2017-18 schedule slightly clearer.
The schedule will include a home date with Baylor University, a game that will conclude a home-and-home series between the schools.
Xavier visited Baylor in December, losing what was then a meeting of top-10 ranked teams Dec. 3 at the Ferrell Center.

[Masterofreality]

I rather drink cyanide than deal with Buzz Williams ever again. He rubs me the wrong way.

Agree. 100%.

[casualfan]

Here is the Enquirer's take (link (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/04/21/xaviers-opponents-announced-continental-tire-las-vegas-invitational/100751484/)).

Additional details weren't provided regarding which teams Xavier will likely host at Cintas Center for early-round games, and which it will play later in Las Vegas.
While still murky, the announcement of the Las Vegas Invitational field makes the Musketeers' 2017-18 schedule slightly clearer.
The schedule will include a home date with Baylor University, a game that will conclude a home-and-home series between the schools.
Xavier visited Baylor in December, losing what was then a meeting of top-10 ranked teams Dec. 3 at the Ferrell Center.

I was under the impression we had games scheduled with Northern Iowa and Utah in addition to Baylor?

[XUMIOH12]

I was under the impression we had games scheduled with Northern Iowa and Utah in addition to Baylor?

yes

[X-band '01]

Colorado at home as well.

[xu82]

Colorado at home as well.

Revenge time! As I watched the Elite 8 game in a Colorado bar, people around me kept asking "how did you guys lose to US???"

[XUFan09]

I was under the impression we had games scheduled with Northern Iowa and Utah in addition to Baylor?
Correct.

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[XUMIOH12]

yes


Correct.

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yes

[RyanblockXU]

Just read that UC is playing Florida in addition to UCLA, MISS State and us next season.

That shit hole conference, has them desperate enough to be a buy game I think.

[xubrew]

Just read that UC is playing Florida in addition to UCLA, MISS State and us next season.

That shit hole conference, has them desperate enough to be a buy game I think.

I'm glad they've realized that those are the kinds of games they need to be playing. I guess getting a #6 seed after a 30 win season clued them in.

[XMuskieFTW]

Just read that UC is playing Florida in addition to UCLA, MISS State and us next season.

That shit hole conference, has them desperate enough to be a buy game I think.

They'll actually have a solid schedule next year. I'm sure they'll discredit it as much as they can by adding a bunch of 300+ puff games, but they'll be able to replace two garbage AAAAAAAC games with wichita. Should be the best schedule they've had in a long time.

[AviatorX]

They'll actually have a solid schedule next year. I'm sure they'll discredit it as much as they can by adding a bunch of 300+ puff games, but they'll be able to replace two garbage AAAAAAAC games with wichita. Should be the best schedule they've had in a long time.

They had a pretty high level (if top heavy) non-conference this past season. X, Butler, @ Iowa St. essentially @ URI who ended up sucking until March, and were supposed to play Michigan as well. UC's (and many other schools) problem is they play the worst of the worst buy games for whatever reason. It is baffling to me. It's how IU (under Crean at least) could play Kansas, UNC, Butler, and Louisville and still end up with a poorly rated non-conference schedule.

Luckily X has more than figured this game out.

[MuskieXU]

They had a pretty high level (if top heavy) non-conference this past season. X, Butler, @ Iowa St. essentially @ URI who ended up sucking until March, and were supposed to play Michigan as well. UC's (and many other schools) problem is they play the worst of the worst buy games for whatever reason. It is baffling to me. It's how IU (under Crean at least) could play Kansas, UNC, Butler, and Louisville and still end up with a poorly rated non-conference schedule.

Luckily X has more than figured this game out.

Those are the buy games they can afford and are willing to pay for.

[casualfan]

Just read that UC is playing Florida in addition to UCLA, MISS State and us next season.

That shit hole conference, has them desperate enough to be a buy game I think.

I don't think it's a buy game.

I had heard rumors Florida was looking to get into a high profile neutral site game in the Northeast.

My guess is this is that.

Kind of a win win for us as Florida should be legit next year. Either UC wins and helps boost our OOC RPI or they lose.

[AviatorX]

Those are the buy games they can afford and are willing to pay for.

Yeah, that's the company line at least. In UC's case, it could definitely be true with the selling out of the Big12 situation but I don't believe it for a second for IU and the like. That's a huge budget constraint, borderline "are you really all in to win situation" for me.

[X-band '01]

They had a pretty high level (if top heavy) non-conference this past season. X, Butler, @ Iowa St. essentially @ URI who ended up sucking until March, and were supposed to play Michigan as well. UC's (and many other schools) problem is they play the worst of the worst buy games for whatever reason. It is baffling to me. It's how IU (under Crean at least) could play Kansas, UNC, Butler, and Louisville and still end up with a poorly rated non-conference schedule.

Luckily X has more than figured this game out.


Those are the buy games they can afford and are willing to pay for.

Translation: Xavier can pay more money to bring in teams like Lehigh and North Dakota State last year, for example. UC got a decent buy game in Texas Southern, but if you have to settle for the likes of Alabama A&M and Western Illinois for example, those are RPI anchors.

[RyanblockXU]

I don't think it's a buy game.

I had heard rumors Florida was looking to get into a high profile neutral site game in the Northeast.

My guess is this is that.

Kind of a win win for us as Florida should be legit next year. Either UC wins and helps boost our OOC RPI or they lose.

Yea I wasn't saying this was a buy game but rather, they are to the point that they will add more games and be a buy game if they have to.

And I totally understand it. They have find teams who are willing to play them.

[RyanblockXU]

Translation: Xavier can pay more money to bring in teams like Lehigh and North Dakota State last year, for example. UC got a decent buy game in Texas Southern, but if you have to settle for the likes of Alabama A&M and Western Illinois for example, those are RPI anchors.

UC did better last year. but still needed to do better. They lost Michigan and had to supplement it with Fairleigh Dickenson but they didn't get the worst of the worst like they normally do and its how they finished the season 12th in RPI in a shitty conference.

Brown and FDU were the worst teams they played.

I did see they are in this kinda crappy tournament in the Cayman Islands and while the high profile teams are bad, it does include Buffalo, Wyoming, & South Dakota St. That said the "top" teams in that tourney aren't very good (Iowa, Louisiana, Richmond, UAB)

Not sure if some of the games are played on campus or not.

[casualfan]

Yea I wasn't saying this was a buy game but rather, they are to the point that they will add more games and be a buy game if they have to.


Who are they a buy game for? I must have missed that part of the thread.

[RyanblockXU]

Kyle kuzma is hiring an agent.

Utah might not be very good next year

[XUMIOH12]

Kyle kuzma is hiring an agent.

Utah might not be very good next year

Devon Daniels and JoJo Zamora transferred out too.

They have really lost a lot from their team last season

[sirthought]

They aren't a buy game for anyone. SMH

And why complain about Iowa, Richmond, LSU, and UAB? There are only so many decent conferences. You can only have one team from any given conference. We all know there are certain tournaments that lock up the blue bloods every year no matter what. And the other tournaments don't get the same teams every year.

You play who they schedule in that case and go for it. As long as you're winning it's gonna be okay. UC is in the same boat as Xavier is. My guess is that because Xavier is Big East, there are more tournament promoters fighting for that spot, but it's really no different.

[RyanblockXU]

They aren't a buy game for anyone. SMH

And why complain about Iowa, Richmond, LSU, and UAB? There are only so many decent conferences. You can only have one team from any given conference. We all know there are certain tournaments that lock up the blue bloods every year no matter what. And the other tournaments don't get the same teams every year.

You play who they schedule in that case and go for it. As long as you're winning it's gonna be okay. UC is in the same boat as Xavier is. My guess is that because Xavier is Big East, there are more tournament promoters fighting for that spot, but it's really no different.


I was joking about the buy game thing and I heard Mick joke about it to on the radio. That the only way they could get teams to play them was to be a buy game.

Either way, I think the Cayman Islands tourney is good to go to no matter who is in it as it builds team chemistry. The players get to kind of relax in paradise and I think it can help build chemistry. Its also why some teams do those Euro tours

[Masterofreality]

Screw Mick and SucKS. I could care less who the hell they play unless it is us or another Big East team.
I hope they lose every f-ing game on their schedule. Period

[casualfan]

I was joking about the buy game thing and I heard Mick joke about it to on the radio. That the only way they could get teams to play them was to be a buy game.

Either way, I think the Cayman Islands tourney is good to go to no matter who is in it as it builds team chemistry. The players get to kind of relax in paradise and I think it can help build chemistry. Its also why some teams do those Euro tours

The thing about the buy games is that unless you are 10-15 schools it's something teams have to explore from time to time.

I know for a fact we were offering to be bought as recently as last year.

[xubrew]

The thing about the buy games is that unless you are 10-15 schools it's something teams have to explore from time to time.

I know for a fact we were offering to be bought as recently as last year.

If this comment causes the thread to take off like I think it might, then I'm gonna need some popcorn!!

I see that, and raise it! Let's make things even more interesting!!

What about a home and home with Dayton??

[Nigel Tufnel]

I know for a fact we were offering to be bought as recently as last year.

I just never know who "we" is when you make that reference. Not hating...just being honest.

[casualfan]

I just never know who "we" is when you make that reference. Not hating...just being honest.

Gimme a break.

We, Xavier University, offered to be bough to at least Ohio State last year.

I have heard we offered to be bough by UK as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Gimme a break.

We, Xavier University, offered to be bough to at least Ohio State last year.

I have heard we offered to be bough by UK as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

Ok...whatever. But you don't deserve to be given a break. I guarantee you half the posters here think you are a troll. Please give proof of these buy games with OSU and UK. Why wouldn't "we" have accepted getting paid to whip OSU's ass on national tv? What were "we" thinking?

[casualfan]

Why wouldn't "we" have accepted getting paid to whip OSU's ass on national tv? What were "we" thinking?

Re-read my post.

We proposed it and they turned us down.

[AviatorX]

Gimme a break.

We, Xavier University, offered to be bough to at least Ohio State last year.

I have heard we offered to be bough by UK as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

XU was in a bit of a different circumstance last year because of having the home game against Wisconsin pulled out from under them at the last second. That was an extreme scenario.

Rick hinted at it on his podcast. The way he described it made it sound like UK though, which would make sense. Not sure what the value in playing OSU would have been.

[casualfan]

XU was in a bit of a different circumstance last year because of having the home game against Wisconsin pulled out from under them at the last second.

Absolutely. I'm not suggesting we should be offering to be bought by people every year.

I was just pointing out that we made ourselves available to be bought as recently as last year.

EDIT: Just saw the second part of your post which seems to confirm we offered this. I know we offered it to Ohio State and I had heard UK, but i didn't know that for sure so it doesn't surprise me to hear that was one offered as well.

In terms of what value would come from playing OSU the answer is not much on the scheduling metrics, but it never hurts to flex some muscle as the top program in the state.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, the unusual schedule circumstances led to offering to get bought.

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[Section 200]

Gimme a break.

We, Xavier University, offered to be bough to at least Ohio State last year.

I have heard we offered to be bough by UK as well, but I haven't been able to confirm that.

I hope this is true. It would be great to take money from OSU and then beat them in their home arena. I fully support this philosophy!! Hope UK buys a game from us too - there is no downside to playing UK.

[xubrew]

We really should play NKU. They are pretty much begging for anybody to play them. They're going to be good this year.

[xubrew]

Ohio State was one of the first teams, if not the first team, to complete and release their OOC schedule last year. It was done in May. It was actually probably finished before that, but they were just waiting on things like the Gavitt Games matchup to be finalized. When did we reach out to them about a buy game? In April? Was their reason for turning us down due to the fact that they'd already released their schedule?

Xavier's OOC schedule was released in June. While we weren't the first ones to put it out there, that's still not a late release. It's not like we were running around all crazy in September trying to complete it.

[Olsingledigit]

Don't see what we have to gain by going on a one off (I refuse to be "bought") to Oh State especially since we should get 5 straight Big 10 games in the Gavitt Games after this season.

[AviatorX]

Ohio State was one of the first teams, if not the first team, to complete and release their OOC schedule last year. It was done in May. It was actually probably finished before that, but they were just waiting on things like the Gavitt Games matchup to be finalized. When did we reach out to them about a buy game? In April? Was their reason for turning us down due to the fact that they'd already released their schedule?

Xavier's OOC schedule was released in June. While we weren't the first ones to put it out there, that's still not a late release. It's not like we were running around all crazy in September trying to complete it.

No idea if the OSU story is true. But Xavier did find out in April that they wouldn't be included in the Gavitt Games. Before that, all was good on the scheduling front.

[Olsingledigit]

No idea if the OSU story is true. But Xavier did find out in April that they wouldn't be included in the Gavitt Games. Before that, all was good on the scheduling front.
Actually X found out last season they would not get a game last year and this and the Utah series was the replacement for both years.

[AviatorX]

Actually X found out last season they would not get a game last year and this and the Utah series was the replacement for both years.

Yes, that's what ended up happening. Rumors floated around that X was really looking to go big with that spot seeing as expectations were high, etc.

[xubrew]

NKU is available! Not sure if I've mentioned that.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Rumor on a Wisconsin board that X will be playing a game there.

[X-band '01]

Hopefully this game won't be bad enough to be preempted by MJFrog commercials.

#GhostofStar64

[XMuskieFTW]

Rumor on a Wisconsin board that X will be playing a game there.

I'd be a bit surprised if this were true. Think it would be a very winnable game if it did happen though.

[casualfan]

Rumor on a Wisconsin board that X will be playing a game there.

I thought we weren't getting a gavitt game? Or is this separate from that?

[XMuskieFTW]

I thought we weren't getting a gavitt game? Or is this separate from that?

I believe it would be separate from that if it were to happen. We aren't supposed to have a Gavitt game, and if we somehow did, it should be at home.

[BMoreX]

Would be surprised about this considering the rumor is that they backed out of coming here for the Gavitt Games last season.

[GIMMFD]

Would be surprised about this considering the rumor is that they backed out of coming here for the Gavitt Games last season.

I have a deep hate for them after ruining our best team's chance at a Final 4, I think last year they knew we'd be pissed off, and it would be a very hard game for them to win. I'd be happy with this, a major program, and a team that usually is always solid. I don't know much about what they bring back, but I think it's definitely worth it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wisky has a buy game with Western Kentucky. Could be Big mistake.

[xubrew]

Would be surprised about this considering the rumor is that they backed out of coming here for the Gavitt Games last season.

If this was a rumor, then it is a rumor that I simply don't believe. Wisconsin went to Creighton. I can't imagine they were expecting that to be any easier. They're also one of the few major programs that genuinely isn't afraid of any type of game, including road games against good mid-majors. They've played at Xavier before, and it was before we were anywhere close to being as nationally relevant as we are now.

[AviatorX]

If this was a rumor, then it is a rumor that I simply don't believe. Wisconsin went to Creighton. I can't imagine they were expecting that to be any easier. They're also one of the few major programs that genuinely isn't afraid of any type of game, including road games against good mid-majors. They've played at Xavier before, and it was before we were anywhere close to being as nationally relevant as we are now.

It wasn't because they were afraid of X. It was a timing issue that it sounds like they may have wavered on because there was really only one day that made sense to play the game because of X being in an early exempt event. Xavier was definitely under the impression until the last possible second that the game was going to be played.

[XMuskieFTW]

I have a deep hate for them after ruining our best team's chance at a Final 4, I think last year they knew we'd be pissed off, and it would be a very hard game for them to win. I'd be happy with this, a major program, and a team that usually is always solid. I don't know much about what they bring back, but I think it's definitely worth it.

Wiscy loses 4 starters and 63% of their scoring. They have some nice pieces returning, but I'd say realistically they're an NIT to bubble team.

[GIMMFD]

Wiscy loses 4 starters and 63% of their scoring. They have some nice pieces returning, but I'd say realistically they're an NIT to bubble team.

I'm just glad I'll never have to see Koenig ever again, that guy still gives me PTSD.

[XMuskieFTW]

X at Wiscy confirmed. This wedding is horseshit. MSU not in it for third straight year. Only way I'm okay with the Wiscy game is if we get MSU at home next year as part of it.

[paulxu]

Is this game considered part of the Gavitt deal?

[X-band '01]

It is indeed, Paul:

FanRagSports - 2017 Gavitt Games Matchups (https://www.fanragsports.com/news/matchups-set-2017-gavitt-games/)

11/13/17 - Minnesota at Providence
11/14/17 - Purdue at Marquette
11/15/17 - Butler at Maryland
11/15/17 - Creighton at Northwestern (will actually be played at AllState Arena - Northwestern will play there this season while Welsh-Ryan is renovated)
11/15/17 - Indiana at Seton Hall
11/16/17 - Xavier at Wisconsin
11/16/17 - Nebraska at St. John's
11/17/17 - DePaul at Illinois

[bobbiemcgee]

at Wisc
vs Baylor.
vs Colorado.
vs Cincinnati.
at Northern Iowa.
at Utah.
Las Vegas Invitational:
- vs 2 of Hampton, Rider, Northern Arizona, UC Irvine.
- 2 of Arizona State, K-State, George Washington.

so far....

[sgarcia]

X at Wiscy confirmed. This wedding is horseshit. MSU not in it for third straight year. Only way I'm okay with the Wiscy game is if we get MSU at home next year as part of it.

I'm pretty sure the B1G will have their flagship team(s) only play the minimum amount of times over the 10 years.

[xubrew]

Michigan State is playing Duke on November 14th. They are a part of the Champions Classic. I was upset last year that both us and Michigan State were left out because I thought it would have been the perfect top ten match-up. I'm now under the impression that Michigan State won't be a part of the Gavitt Games until after the Champions Classic games are done. I don't remember where I heard that or read that, but FWIW that is the impression that I'm under.

[xubrew]

at Wisc
vs Baylor.
vs Colorado.
vs Cincinnati.
at Northern Iowa.
at Utah.
Las Vegas Invitational:
- vs 2 of Hampton, Rider, Northern Arizona, UC Irvine.
- 2 of Arizona State, K-State, George Washington.

so far....

We've got room for three more!

NKU is looking for games. They'd be an outstanding buy game for us to play. Or, even a home and home.

Hopefully UC Irvine is one of the two games we play in the buy game portion of....I actually forget the name of the tournament we're in.

[GoMuskies]

My neighbor is a significant donor to Wichita State, so he was given tickets to a "luxury box" at a WSU baseball game that he generously shared with my boys and I. While we were at the game, the WSU AD appropriately came over to kiss my neighbor's ass. During the course of the conversation, I let him know I was a Xavier alum and put in my request for the Xavier/WSU home and home. He was polite about it, and said he thought Xavier would play that series. Also, there was free beer in this luxury box, so I'm assuming a home and home with WSU is about 50% LESS likely as a result of this conversation.

[xubrew]

I'd love a H&H with Wichita State. Probably not as much as Go, but pretty close.

[MuskieXU]

We've got room for three more!

NKU is looking for games. They'd be an outstanding buy game for us to play. Or, even a home and home.

Hopefully UC Irvine is one of the two games we play in the buy game portion of....I actually forget the name of the tournament we're in.

I think XU is out of the local home and home business after Miami in 07. That said, NKU would be a nice buy game.

[xubrew]

I think XU is out of the local home and home business after Miami in 07. That said, NKU would be a nice buy game.

I think that for this year (and maybe next year) that NKU will be what Valpo has been the last two years. Good enough to be a bubble team, and if things fall the right way they may be able to get in without the automatic bid. They need teams to play them, though, and to their credit they appear to be trying.

I would't want it to be a permanent series necessarily, but it would be fun for the next two years. Hell, why not??

[XMuskieFTW]

I'm pretty sure the B1G will have their flagship team(s) only play the minimum amount of times over the 10 years.

The Gavitt Games are an 8 year series. Every Big East team will play a minimum of 6 games and maximum of 7 in those 8 years. Every Big Ten team a minimum of 4 and maximum of 5. MSU has to play 4 of the final 5 years.

[sgarcia]

The Gavitt Games are an 8 year series. Every Big East team will play a minimum of 6 games and maximum of 7 in those 8 years. Every Big Ten team a minimum of 4 and maximum of 5. MSU has to play 4 of the final 5 years.

I had no idea there was a maximum. I just expected Rutgers and DePaul to play in this every year.

[XMuskieFTW]

We've got room for three more!

Hopefully UC Irvine is one of the two games we play in the buy game portion of....I actually forget the name of the tournament we're in.

I'm pretty sure we will get Rider and Hampton. There are two west teams and two east teams in the higher and lower brackets. Arizona State already announced their full schedule which included UC Irvine and Northern Arizona. I'm guessing Kansas State gets the same two and us and GW get Hampton and Rider.

[RyanblockXU]

Happy to be getting a slot in the gavitt games But man, hosting Wisconsin last year would have been so much better. It was basically the same team that beat us in the tourney and we could avenge them on our home floor.

But Wisconsin might suck ass next year. They lose Showalter, Koenig, Hayes and Vito Brown. And return Ethan Happ, and Iverson. Its a game that may not get us much credit if we beat them and could actually look bad if we lose to them.

Still will be fun though to beat them on their home floor


I've read that, not this season but next, UC is starting a 4 year series with NKU. Probably doing them a solid for letting them use their arena and it also works well for UC if NKU stays on this upward trend

[hoopsgalore]

But Wisconsin might suck ass next year. They lose Showalter, Koenig, Hayes and Vito Brown. And return Ethan Happ, and Iverson. Its a game that may not get us much credit if we beat them and could actually look bad if we lose to them.

Still will be fun though to beat them on their home floor


Can understand the skepticism, but Wisconsin reloads about as well as any program in the country. There is a reason they've been to 19 NCAA Tournaments in a row and Coach Greg Gard was instrumental in recruiting and on-floor coaching duties under Bo Ryan. The philosophy that has made Wisconsin so successful remains unchanged, though we've seen quite an uptick in recruiting (depending how you feel about player rankings) for 2017 and 2018.

The Badgers have appeared in the Sweet 16 six of the last seven years, including the last four, and have a couple Final Four appearances during that time. Xavier will get plenty of credit playing in the Kohl Center.

[XUFan09]

But Wisconsin might suck ass next year. They lose Showalter, Koenig, Hayes and Vito Brown. And return Ethan Happ, and Iverson. Its a game that may not get us much credit if we beat them and could actually look bad if we lose to them.

Not really. It's highly unlikely that they suck, and if they're only okay, that's still a good win or an understandable loss because it's on the road. The venue matters a lot.

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[Olsingledigit]

So what happened to Utah? Not mentioned in the most recent article on our schedule.

[xubrew]

So what happened to Utah? Not mentioned in the most recent article on our schedule.

???

Nothing happened to Utah that I've heard. We're still playing them. Is that not the case anymore??

[Muskie]

I have a feeling that The Gavitt game may require the rescheduling of one of the above opponents. We will see.


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[xufan2434]

Ethan Happ should be a 1st or 2nd team pre season All American. As long as they have him, they will not suck. Either way, Kohl Center is one the hardest places in the country to get W. Should be a great test for a young team (If Tre is gone)

[xubrew]

I have a feeling that The Gavitt game may require the rescheduling of one of the above opponents. We will see.


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Hmmm, when you say you "Have a feeling" I get the feeling that it is more than a feeling. I'll just leave it at that.

Can we replace one of the buy game opponents?? And...if NKU is a buy game opponent, preferably not them??

[Muskie]

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94


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[RetireFiftyTu]

https://twitter.com/retirefiftytu/status/868195202292436994
I couldn't figure out how to upload a picture so just click on the link to see what Xavier's non-conference schedule is like so far.
I'm making a few assumptions. First is that Xavier plays Hampton and Rider. Assuming this simply off of geography. Arizona State has released their full non-con schedule and they are playing UC Irvine and Northern Arizona. I assume Kansas State will play both of those teams while Xavier and GW will play Hampton and Rider. I'm think that the on-campus Vegas games have to be played between Friday 11/17 and Mon 11/20. Not entirely sure about that though. If that is the case Xavier will probably play them on Saturday 11/18 and Mon 11/20 because they play Wisconsin on 11/16. There is talk that the Utah game will be bumped because of Xavier being thrown in the Gavitt Games. No clue if there is any truth to that or not. Right now it appears that the only teams we don't know are three buy games. And the only dates we don't know for sure are Colorado, Utah, two buy games, and the Hampton and Rider games.

[THRILLHOUSE]

"@JonRothstein Xavier will host East Tennessee State as part of its 2017-18 non-conference schedule, per a source."

[xukeith]

"@JonRothstein Xavier will host East Tennessee State as part of its 2017-18 non-conference schedule, per a source."

Ended 2017:
56 RPI
East Tennessee State
Southern (14-4) 25-8 56 161 8-3 59 133 11-2 8-5 6-1 0-3 2-4 12-1 11-0

Good resume and rpi booster. Hope they have returning players from a good team(winning).

Went to NCAA and lost to Florida in 1st round.

[GIMMFD]

Ended 2017:
56 RPI
East Tennessee State
Southern (14-4) 25-8 56 161 8-3 59 133 11-2 8-5 6-1 0-3 2-4 12-1 11-0

Good resume and rpi booster. Hope they have returning players from a good team(winning).

Went to NCAA and lost to Florida in 1st round.

They were one of those teams everybody had as a big time sleeper right? They looked pretty decent, I'll take a good mid-major opponent any day of the week, helps to expose our team to quality opponents that fly under the radar.

[X-band '01]

Believe they tied with UNC-Greensboro for the regular season title, but actually beat them to win the SoCon tournament last season. As others said, I don't know how much of their team is returning.

[xubrew]

Believe they tied with UNC-Greensboro for the regular season title, but actually beat them to win the SoCon tournament last season. As others said, I don't know how much of their team is returning.

ETSU's two best players graduated. TJ Cromer was one of the best players in the conference last year as a senior. I guess it's still a decent game by buy game standards, but I don't foresee them finishing atop the SoCon. Furman is probably going to be the team to beat. They didn't return their coach, but they return pretty much everyone else.

Now NKU would be an OUTSTANDING buy game!

[Muskie]

Baylor/X will be on 11-28.

[XMuskieFTW]

Baylor/X will be on 11-28.

Not sure why Rothstein tweeted this as something new. We've known this date for over a year. http://goxavier.com/news/2016/5/26/mens-basketball-adds-home-and-home-series-with-baylor-northern-iowa-and-utah.aspx?path=mbball

[Muskie]

It was new to me. Mainly because I didn't pay attention one year ago.

[THRILLHOUSE]

And the rumor of Wisconsin replacing Utah appears to be true:

@RickBroering Xavier has canceled its return game with Utah this year. X is open to completing the series later or playing the Utes again in the future.

[Muskie]

Utah cancellation is official.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Crosstown Shootout is December 2nd. (a Saturday)

@JonRothstein
Xavier will host Cincinnati on December 2nd at the Cintas Center in the annual Crosstown Shootout, per a source.

[Muskie34]

Crosstown Shootout is December 2nd. (a Saturday)

@JonRothstein
Xavier will host Cincinnati on December 2nd at the Cintas Center in the annual Crosstown Shootout, per a source.

It is indeed a Saturday, but also Championship Saturday for football, which will take away viewership.

[drudy23]

It is indeed a Saturday, but also Championship Saturday for football, which will take away viewership.

Who cares...this game is for our city and we don't have a college football team.

[GoMuskies]

this game is for our city and we don't have a college football team.

Mt. St. Joe's is very angry with you.

[RyanblockXU]

Who cares...this game is for our city and we don't have a college football team.

Honestly though I think we probably get more national viewership when UC hosts on espn during rivalry week.

A lot of fans with good football and basketball, don't even worry about basketball until January.

I'd almost being will to bet that last years shootout will have better national ratings than this years. ESPN will be loaded with football games and very few people will be stumbling across th crosstown shootout on Saturday night on fox.

It will do fine locally regardless but I want as much national exposure as I can get and not being ESPN and being scheduled in the middle of championship week for football just seems like your limiting your options. I know we can't control the espn thing, but we do control the day the game is and I think it's a bad choice.

[AviatorX]

Honestly though I think we probably get more national viewership when UC hosts on espn during rivalry week.

A lot of fans with good football and basketball, don't even worry about basketball until January.

I'd almost being will to bet that last years shootout will have better national ratings than this years. ESPN will be loaded with football games and very few people will be stumbling across th crosstown shootout on Saturday night on fox.

It will do fine locally regardless but I want as much national exposure as I can get and not being ESPN and being scheduled in the middle of championship week for football just seems like your limiting your options. I know we can't control the espn thing, but we do control the day the game is and I think it's a bad choice.

If we're being honest, no regular season Xavier game gets much national viewership. The same can be said for most college basketball. I'm happy with X laying out their schedule for the team's success over trying to maximize national viewership, which is really kind of an unattainable goal.

[xubrew]

It is indeed a Saturday, but also Championship Saturday for football, which will take away viewership.

Not necessarily.

Fox has the Big Twelve and Big Ten Championship games that day. If we are on the flagship network and our game leads into that double header, our ratings will be huge. I'm pretty sure Shootout had over a million viewers in 15-16 when it was on the Fox flagship network. This could draw even more.

But, to your point, if they bury it on FS1 and play it during one of the two football games they're broadcasting, then we're screwed. But....I'm guessing?? (okay, maybe it's just hoping) that they won't do that. But when you think about it, why not have the shootout on the flagship network before the football games??

[xubrew]

Oh, and by the way, NKU is still available! We could schedule them!

As a long term fixture series, I'd rather play Dayton because I think the more venom you can create, the better. But, for this particular upcoming season, I'd rather play NKU because I think they're going to be a lot better than Dayton. Seriously, let's play NKU! It's a good team that's five minutes away. Why not?? Out of the 250 teams you can schedule for buy games, maybe four or five are particularly exceptional. They are one of the five teams this year. If for no other reason than that let's schedule them.

[muskiefan82]

Oh, and by the way, NKU is still available! We could schedule them!

As a long term fixture series, I'd rather play Dayton because I think the more venom you can create, the better. But, for this particular upcoming season, I'd rather play NKU because I think they're going to be a lot better than Dayton. Seriously, let's play NKU! It's a good team that's five minutes away. Why not?? Out of the 250 teams you can schedule for buy games, maybe four or five are particularly exceptional. They are one of the five teams this year. If for no other reason than that let's schedule them.

Also, make it a road game. Then, we will all get all of our home games AND we can easily make it to NKU to watch our Musketeers play an additional game.

[RyanblockXU]

Looks like the rest of the schedule has been released: http://www.goxavier.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball
MOREHEAD STATE #203 in KP, Appear to have lost 4 starting seniors.
RIDER #208 in KP, Lose 3 Sr Starters
@WISCONSIN #21 in KP, lose 4 of 5 starters. Bring in 2 4-Star players but really only can count on Ethan Happ
HAMPTON #310, by far the worst team play, we should destroy them
Continental Tire Invitational 2 games against 1 of these 3: Kstate, arizona st & GW
Baylor #13 in KP, They lose Motley to the draft which decreases the talent level by a lot, but they should still be decent
Cincinnati #23 in KP, return 3 starters plus Jarron Cumberland who had starter like minutes. Bring in a meh 4 man class. Best team we play in non con
Kent State #141 in KP, probably my 2nd favorite buy game, return 3 starters. However do lose their best player.
Colorado #73 in KP, Lose 4 starters on a pretty meh team,
East Tenneesee state #67 in KP, they lose 3 starters. Hard to gauge if they will repeat last years tourney appearance
Marshall #149 in KP, I actually love this game and should be fun to watch. They are a face paced run and gun offense. They might shoot 40 3's and they took UC to OT last year and broke a record on 3's made against UC all time last year. XU should win BUT it should be entertaining.
Northern Iowa #169 in KP, what a disappointment they were. Sucks we had to return the favor and go to their gym. They return 3 starters so they could improve. But this game is a landmine type game. You wont get credit if you beat them but will look bad if you drop one to them.



what do you guys think of the schedule?

[Porkopolis]

Making me watch a game between Xavier and Marshall is cruel and unusual punishment. My wife (and fellow Marshall grad) asked what I would do, so I said "cry." I have degrees from both schools and love them both equally, so I suppose I will just sit back and take that one in.

[GoMuskies]

That's an okay OOC schedule. Would really blow if that was our OOC schedule in the A-10. Still matters, but obviously a lot less now.

[bobbiemcgee]

don't see Morehead -

[AviatorX]

Never doubt Mario.

Does kinda suck that X's exempt event dictated two of the buy games though, that's where X is so good at making up ground on what otherwise look like pedestrian OOC's.

[xubrew]

Nothing on there has me holding my nose minus maybe Hampton, and even they may turn out to be okay in the MEAC. Having said that, nothing really has me all that excited either.

[xubrew]

don't see Morehead -

Yeah, I mean if we were going to play a game against a team from Kentucky, why not play......

Oh, just forget it!

[RyanblockXU]

don't see Morehead -

Weird. They edited it and removed it. It's maybe not confirmed yet. But it was on the site earlier

[Cannonball]

Same for Baylor?

[blueblob06]

We will be allowed to schedule a 31st game, because of the early-season tourney we are in, correct?

We are sitting at 30 games total by my count:
Monday, Nov 13th: vs Rider

Thursday, Nov 16th: @ Wisconsin

Monday, Nov 20th: vs Hampton

Thursday, Nov 23rd: Las Vegas Invitational vs George Washington/Arizona State/Kansas State

Friday, Nov 24th: Las Vegas Invitational vs George Washington/Arizona State/Kansas State

Tuesday, Nov 28th: vs Baylor

Saturday, Dec 2nd: vs UC

Wednesday, Dec 6th: vs Kent State

Saturday, Dec 9th: vs Colorado

Saturday, Dec 16th: vs East Tennessee State

Tuesday, Dec 19th: vs Marshall

Friday, Dec 22nd: @Northern Iowa

Dates TBD: 9 home games vs Big East Conference

Dates TBD: 9 away games vs Big East Conference

@Utah - CANCELED due to Wisconsin game scheduled by Big Ten/Big East

[XMuskieFTW]

Think it's safe to assume that 31st game will be played opening night.

[xubrew]

We will be allowed to schedule a 31st game, because of the early-season tourney we are in, correct?

That is MOSTLY correct. The rule is that if you're in an exempt tournament that you're allowed 27 games in addition to that tournament. The tournament itself can be up to 4 games. Right now, there are only 3 on the schedule that I can tell. So, the 31st game would have to technically be part of the tournament.

[xubrew]

Think it's safe to assume that 31st game will be played opening night.

I'm not sure that it can be. I think the rule is that all exempt tournament games need to be played within a twelve day span. The last tournament game is Nov. 24th.

Having said that, they may have changed it to where it's 14 days. I really don't remember. If that's the case then it can be opening night, but it also has to technically be part of the exempt event, and against a team that is technically also part of the event.

[blueblob06]

The Rider and Hampton home games are both part of the Vegas tournament. So we should qualify for a 31st game then.

[xubrew]

The Rider and Hampton home games are both part of the Vegas tournament. So we should qualify for a 31st game then.

Oh, okay. Nevermind then.

[Muskie]

Final Schedule is up for Non-Con:

Saturday, Nov. 4 Findlay (exhibition) at 4 p.m.
Friday, Nov. 10 Morehead State (OPENING NIGHT)
Monday, Nov. 13 Rider
Thursday, Nov. 16 at Wisconsin (Gavitt Games)
Monday, Nov. 20 Hampton
Thursday, Nov. 23 Las Vegas Invitational
(George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Friday, Nov. 24 Las Vegas Invitational
(George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Tuesday, Nov. 28 Baylor

Saturday, Dec. 2 Cincinnati
Wednesday, Dec. 6 Kent State
Saturday, Dec. 9 Colorado
Friday, Nov. 22 at Northern Iowa

Home games are in bold!

[bleedXblue]

Final Schedule is up for Non-Con:

Saturday, Nov. 4 Findlay (exhibition) at 4 p.m.
Friday, Nov. 10 Morehead State (OPENING NIGHT)
Monday, Nov. 13 Rider
Thursday, Nov. 16 at Wisconsin (Gavitt Games)
Monday, Nov. 20 Hampton
Thursday, Nov. 23 Las Vegas Invitational
(George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Friday, Nov. 24 Las Vegas Invitational
(George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Tuesday, Nov. 28 Baylor

Saturday, Dec. 2 Cincinnati
Wednesday, Dec. 6 Kent State
Saturday, Dec. 9 Colorado
Friday, Nov. 22 at Northern Iowa

Home games are in bold!

Nice mix of games with mid to high level competition with a few cup cakes as well.

Love Baylor at home......

[muskiefan82]

Only 29 total games next year. Odd.

[BMoreX]

Pretty long break between Dec 9 and 22. I know it's exam week there but still.

Wonder what happened to the ETSU/Marshall games.

EDIT: Sounds like it was just a mistake in the press release. Xavier's posting a new, corrected one soon.

[Muskie]

Pretty long break between Dec 9 and 22. I know it's exam week there but still.

Wonder what happened to the ETSU/Marshall games.


Goxavier.com still has ETSU and Marshall listed when you click on the basketball schedule. So I'm not quite sure what's going on.

[X-ceptional]

The press release appears to have been updated now: http://goxavier.com/news/2017/6/27/xavier-announces-complete-2017-18-mens-basketball-non-conference-schedule.aspx

Date................................Opponent

Friday, Nov. 10.................Morehead State (OPENING NIGHT)
Monday, Nov. 13...............Rider
Thursday, Nov. 16...............at Wisconsin (Gavitt Games)
Monday, Nov. 20...............Hampton
Thursday, Nov. 23...............Las Vegas Invitational (George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Friday, Nov. 24...................Las Vegas Invitational (George Washington, Arizona State or Kansas State)
Tuesday, Nov. 28..............Baylor

Saturday, Dec. 2...............Cincinnati
Wednesday, Dec. 6............Kent State
Saturday, Dec. 9...............Colorado
Saturday, Dec. 16.............East Tennessee State
Tuesday, Dec. 19..............Marshall
Friday, Dec. 22..................at Northern Iowa

Home games are in BOLD


So, 13 non-con + 18 BEast = 31 games. Here we go!

[GIMMFD]

I can't wait to see the point spread against Marshall and bet on it against all my buddies in Huntington, I see them every couple of months and you could not say how thrilled I am about this.

[AviatorX]

I can't wait to see the point spread against Marshall and bet on it against all my buddies in Huntington, I see them every couple of months and you could not say how thrilled I am about this.

That one could be interesting assuming D'Antoni is still their coach. They were in a crazy game @ UC last year and played at an insane tempo (3rd on KP).

[GIMMFD]

That one could be interesting assuming D'Antoni is still their coach. They were in a crazy game @ UC last year and played at an insane tempo (3rd on KP).

Yup he sure is, and they run and gun the hell out of the ball, just jack up an insane amount of threes. Have a couple local guys that can stroke it (Jon Elmore, I remember watching my old high school play them in the regional tournament and he went off for like 35 while being double teamed). They will definitely be fun to watch, they had an article on the statistics and thought process from D'Antoni in Feb, pretty interesting read actually:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-dantoni-basketball-revolution-goes-to-college/

[X-ceptional]

Three months...

[muskiefan82]

Three months...

Yes. Seems like forever.....

[Muskie]

I can't believe we have to wait another month for the Big East Schedule. Hopefully that's not the case.