Kerem Kanter Commits

[mistabeecee41]

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/851854324661727232

another eligible big for next year

[FlagshipX10]

Nice addition!

[GoMuskies]

If Kanter was averaging 11.3 points and 6.3 boards in only 19.1 minutes, why was he only getting 19.1 minutes? Fouls? Conditioning?

[mistabeecee41]

If Kanter was averaging 11.3 points and 6.3 boards in only 19.1 minutes, why was he only getting 19.1 minutes? Fouls? Conditioning?

if he's anything like his brother - defense is atrocious. It's what keeps Enes from being a 30+ minute starter.

[casualfan]

If Kanter was averaging 11.3 points and 6.3 boards in only 19.1 minutes, why was he only getting 19.1 minutes? Fouls? Conditioning?

I've spent the last week or so trying to wrap my head around this and I have nothing.

I cannot for the life of me figure it out.

I do think this signals that they know something about Tre or KJ for next year. By my count if both those guys are here next year plus Kanter that makes 13 and I think we have more pressing needs than another big guy.

[Juice]

https://twitter.com/KeremKanter/status/851853682199203841

[xu82]

https://twitter.com/KeremKanter/status/851853682199203841

So, it's a maybe?

[bobbiemcgee]

Likey to be undrafted:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017-early-entry-draft-range-list

[X-ceptional]

I don't really follow the NBA at all, but a couple of quick looks and it seems like it is pretty much certain he will not be drafted this year, yes? I like this addition. I think we'll be ok with the ball handlers we have next year, and I love having a variety of talented bigs that you can rotate constantly.

Not to mention, I wouldn't gameplan for him to just pop 3s all the time, but he was 14-40 (35%) last year. At least enough that I wouldn't feel physically ill watching him put up an outside shot if the defense gives it to him. Adds a little something extra with that, compared to the 0 three point attempts combined between Gaston, O'Mara, and Jones last year (not that there should have been any... zero was the right number here).

[X-ceptional]

Not to mention, maybe we'll see this mustache posted up next to Bill Murray (yea, believe it or not, Bill's an X fan... I think his son may drive an Uber around Xavier or something?) in the stands.

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/6447.png&w=350&h=254

[XUMIOH12]

i like the addition. Should be a solid player for Xavier next year.

[bleedXblue]

So if you're O'Mara or Jones what are you thinking right now? Honestly not trying to pooh, pooh this. Looks like a solid addition....just don't know where he gets his minutes.

[kellernr]

I've spent the last week or so trying to wrap my head around this and I have nothing.

I cannot for the life of me figure it out.

I do think this signals that they know something about Tre or KJ for next year. By my count if both those guys are here next year plus Kanter that makes 13 and I think we have more pressing needs than another big guy.

What are the other pressing issues that you think they need to take care of?

PG:
Q
Scruggs
JP (if needed)
Marshall and Harden could bring the ball up the floor if they are desperate
G/Wing:
JP
Tre (if he stays)
Gates
Harden
Marshall
Ridder
C/Forward
T Jones
O'Mara
K Jones
Kanter
Ernst

That looks like a very solid Roster. Yes there are 5 freshman but these 3 of them can have a impact right away. I would like to see Mack run a lineup of Scruggs, Harden, Marshall, Ridder and Jones in one of the really early OOC games. If these guys are as good as everyone is saying Mack could go Calipari style and just do line changes instead of substitutions.

[Ohionite_X]

If Kanter was averaging 11.3 points and 6.3 boards in only 19.1 minutes, why was he only getting 19.1 minutes? Fouls? Conditioning?

I don't know but if he puts up those numbers in under 20 minutes a game next season he'll be my favorite player.

[Ohionite_X]

So if you're O'Mara or Jones what are you thinking right now? Honestly not trying to pooh, pooh this. Looks like a solid addition....just don't know where he gets his minutes.

I'm was wondering that too but if Tre does leave then we might see Kanter putting up some minutes at the 4.

[kellernr]

They could play a lot faster. With 3 or 4 bigs they could run up and down the court and just sub them out as they get winded. Plus Kanter is a threat all over the offensive end. 6'10, has good inside moves, a a nice mid range shot and can knock down the 3. The other 3 bigs are mainly back to the basket type guys.

[Caf]

So if you're O'Mara or Jones what are you thinking right now? Honestly not trying to pooh, pooh this. Looks like a solid addition....just don't know where he gets his minutes.

Sounds like one of them good problems.

[GIMMFD]

They could play a lot faster. With 3 or 4 bigs they could run up and down the court and just sub them out as they get winded. Plus Kanter is a threat all over the offensive end. 6'10, has good inside moves, a a nice mid range shot and can knock down the 3. The other 3 bigs are mainly back to the basket type guys.

Love an offensive addition, don't get me wrong, but hopefully his defense is more than adequate as well!!

[XMuskieFTW]

I'm was wondering that too but if Tre does leave then we might see Kanter putting up some minutes at the 4.

No chance. He's not quick at all. Would not be able to guard any team's 4.

[RyanblockXU]

He was used very little to start the season but was being played as much as 30 minutes a game in conference play.

He is really slow up and down the court and in the Horizon, he rarely had a guy who he could guard. There are just 5 guys in the Horizon who are his size or taller and most didn't log a ton of minutes.

Teams like NKU played small ball and a lot of the other teams in the league did as well. You can only really play him when you have a true big for him to guard, other wise he would be a defensive nightmare (like his brother).

Xavier now has 5 bigs (Jones, Ernest, Kanter, Omara, K. Jones). Thats a lot of bigs, maybe K.Jones ends up not coming to X because of the Academic issues.

[markchal]

Jones had some injury trouble this year, both he an O'Mara had some issues with fouls as well at times...this just seems like an insurance policy to me. Lets KJ take a redshirt year and gives us an extra big in the rotation.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned if I was Sean or Tyrique. If they play the way they did at the end of the year, Kanter would be the odd guy out.

[X-ceptional]

I don't think 5 bigs is all that many, especially when 2 of them only have one year of eligibility left. I also don't really take this as a sign that Big K is going to be ineligible or that he won't be coming to X. I mean maybe that happens, but K. Jones' playing time was going to be pretty limited behind O'Mara and T. Jones anyway, then figure it out with Ernst. So I'm not too sure that bringing in Kanter really changes things too much from that perspective.

Not to mention, he's got the nickname Big K for a reason--isn't he pushing 3 bills? Might not be bad for him to have a year of limited playing time, shed a few pounds and then be ready to go the following year. I don't know, just a though.

[markchal]

OK, forgot about Ernst. I'm back to not quite understanding this move. Especially when we're likely gonna need to replace the 3-shooting from Trevon and Malcolm, and we were a pretty bad 3 shooting team even with them, really could've used a SG.

[GoMuskies]

He was used very little to start the season but was being played as much as 30 minutes a game in conference play.

He is really slow up and down the court and in the Horizon, he rarely had a guy who he could guard. There are just 5 guys in the Horizon who are his size or taller and most didn't log a ton of minutes.

Teams like NKU played small ball and a lot of the other teams in the league did as well. You can only really play him when you have a true big for him to guard, other wise he would be a defensive nightmare (like his brother).

Xavier now has 5 bigs (Jones, Ernest, Kanter, Omara, K. Jones). Thats a lot of bigs, maybe K.Jones ends up not coming to X because of the Academic issues.

I'm looking at his game log, and it really varied up and down all year long. There's really no rhyme or reason to it based on part of the season. It must have been based on matchups. As to NKU, he played 29 minutes at NKU, scoring 23 points and grabbing 14 boards. I have no idea how his defense was, but NKU scored 69 points and won by 2. So that was a pretty good overall performance for UWGB.

[sirthought]

Honestly, I see this guy as someone good to have on the roster for practice. He may not be the level of competition Omara, Jones, or others might face on opposing Big East squads, but at least he's a big body that will compete in practice and hopefully make others better.

If we see someone winded or in foul trouble, I'm sure he can play a few minutes. And maybe his drive to reach the NBA will awaken something in him to really go for it, which could be a plus for X.


I've got more questions about what is this dude gonna study as a grad student? Is the university wondering if he's NBA bound or getting ready for the rigorous coursework he's stepping up for?

[XUGRAD80]

I think that Gonzaga had several players that were 6'10" or better, and that depth was a deciding factor in how they advanced through the tourney. I'm also not worried that much about his 1-1 defense, as X certainly played a lot of zone this past year and may well do the same next year. This certainly give X some experience in the center position that the other newcomers do not posses and that's valuable in a backup.

[stammina0721]

Honestly, I see this guy as someone good to have on the roster for practice. He may not be the level of competition Omara, Jones, or others might face on opposing Big East squads, but at least he's a big body that will compete in practice and hopefully make others better.

If we see someone winded or in foul trouble, I'm sure he can play a few minutes. And maybe his drive to reach the NBA will awaken something in him to really go for it, which could be a plus for X.


I've got more questions about what is this dude gonna study as a grad student? Is the university wondering if he's NBA bound or getting ready for the rigorous coursework he's stepping up for?

Horticulture with Tre.... oh too soon?

[sirthought]

Horticulture with Tre.... oh too soon?

public reps :lol:

[XUMIOH12]

Honestly, I see this guy as someone good to have on the roster for practice. He may not be the level of competition Omara, Jones, or others might face on opposing Big East squads, but at least he's a big body that will compete in practice and hopefully make others better.

If we see someone winded or in foul trouble, I'm sure he can play a few minutes. And maybe his drive to reach the NBA will awaken something in him to really go for it, which could be a plus for X.


I've got more questions about what is this dude gonna study as a grad student? Is the university wondering if he's NBA bound or getting ready for the rigorous coursework he's stepping up for?

What??? haha I'm sorry, but I find this post amusing

[X Factor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tcz8M5w7H8

[GoMuskies]

What??? haha I'm sorry, but I find this post amusing

Yeah. Rigorous coursework?!?

[Caf]

I'm looking at his game log, and it really varied up and down all year long. There's really no rhyme or reason to it based on part of the season. It must have been based on matchups. As to NKU, he played 29 minutes at NKU, scoring 23 points and grabbing 14 boards. I have no idea how his defense was, but NKU scored 69 points and won by 2. So that was a pretty good overall performance for UWGB.

Yeah this is a tough read. He looks like he does better against better competition oddly. Had a big game in Wisconsin. Based on this, his build, and the tools I've seen in highlights, I don't think this is someone Mack brought in to just help in practice.

[Ohionite_X]

OK, forgot about Ernst. I'm back to not quite understanding this move. Especially when we're likely gonna need to replace the 3-shooting from Trevon and Malcolm, and we were a pretty bad 3 shooting team even with them, really could've used a SG.

Three point shooters are nice but skilled big men are a rarity. Three point shooting may not be great next season but the staff obviously believes that the guards we have right now will get the job done. Also indicates to me that they think Scruggs and Marshall will be major contributors right away.

[LA Muskie]

I don't think 5 bigs is all that many, especially when 2 of them only have one year of eligibility left. I also don't really take this as a sign that Big K is going to be ineligible or that he won't be coming to X. I mean maybe that happens, but K. Jones' playing time was going to be pretty limited behind O'Mara and T. Jones anyway, then figure it out with Ernst. So I'm not too sure that bringing in Kanter really changes things too much from that perspective.

Not to mention, he's got the nickname Big K for a reason--isn't he pushing 3 bills? Might not be bad for him to have a year of limited playing time, shed a few pounds and then be ready to go the following year. I don't know, just a though.

5 bigs (38% of our current roster; 42% of our roster if Tre leaves) is a TON when you consider that they would all share the same position/minutes. That leaves 8 players for the other 4 spots on the floor. There is no way -- NONE -- that we will have 5 bigs on our active roster when our first game tips next year.

[MADXSTER]

5 bigs (38% of our current roster; 42% of our roster if Tre leaves)

Tre never played the 5

[GoMuskies]

Tre never played the 5

Right, that's why the percentage goes UP if Tre leaves.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Werent some other big programs considering this guy? I get we have a lot of depth down low but not sure why everyone is so down on the addition. Any chance we see a little more of 2 bigs at a time? Especially if Tre goes?

[xufan02]

Ernst tweeted out a few minutes ago that he is going in a different direction. He never signed a LOI.

I also don't see Kentravious making it academically. Xavier is still recruiting Ed Morrow.

[GoMuskies]

Ha, we always manage to find a bit of roster drama. Luckily, I generally forgot that Ernst even existed, so I'll have a hard time missing him.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Ha, we always manage to find a bit of roster drama. Luckily, I generally forgot that Ernst even existed, so I'll have a hard time missing him.

Never came to campus and got recruited over, brutal. Kanter isn't a big commitment. He would play just one year. Morrow has to sit and would play two.

[LA Muskie]

5 bigs (38% of our current roster; 42% of our roster if Tre leaves) is a TON when you consider that they would all share the same position/minutes. That leaves 8 players for the other 4 spots on the floor. There is no way -- NONE -- that we will have 5 bigs on our active roster when our first game tips next year.

OK so that happened faster than even I imagined! Incidentally, I also tend to doubt KJ ever suits up for us...

[xu82]

OK so that happened faster than even I imagined! Incidentally, I also tend to doubt KJ ever suits up for us...

I was hoping it was a one year KJ delay, but I have no idea. Mack will make the calls with ALL the info.

[GoMuskies]

According to Goodman, Kansas, Michigan State, Pittsburgh and Kansas State were interested in UW-GB's backup center as well. What a world.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Aw, does this mean we can no longer argue about whether or not Ernst can play outside of the basket?

[throwbackmuskie]

Ernest decommitted


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[XUGRAD80]

Ernest decommitted


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Just read this myself.....happened around 6pm according to the report I saw.

Maybe Mack knew this was likely to happen?

[xu82]

Ernest decommitted


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Ahh, all the things we do NOT know..... an endless list.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Ernest decommitted


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[GIMMFD]

I've never been so confused in the course of a day as to what the crap just happened...

[xu82]

I've never been so confused in the course of a day as to what the crap just happened...

You're young, wait until you have kids. This is nothing.....

[GIMMFD]

You're young, wait until you have kids. This is nothing.....

Please don't wish that evil upon me for at least another 5 years down the road.

[JTG]

I've never been so confused in the course of a day as to what the crap just happened...

Pretty much how I felt reading a coaching carousel post hijacked by someone talking about New Mexico and New Mexico State...what? who cares?

[XU 87]

Pretty much how I felt reading a coaching carousel post hijacked by someone talking about New Mexico and New Mexico State...what? who cares?

The NMSU coach went NMU. That is the topic of the thread- coaches moving to new jobs.

[sirthought]

Man this change bums me out. It's not the end of the world, but I was looking forward to seeing what Ernst would do.

I hope Kanter is a reaction and not the reason for Ernst backing out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Man this change bums me out. It's not the end of the world, but I was looking forward to seeing what Ernst would do.

I hope Kanter is a reaction and not the reason for Ernst backing out.

I would be surprised if a guy with 3 years remaining backed out because of a a guy coming who had 1 left. And literally the same day.

I'd be willing to bet it is the reaction not the reason.

[XUFan09]

I would be surprised if a guy with 3 years remaining backed out because of a a guy coming who had 1 left. And literally the same day.

I'd be willing to bet it is the reaction not the reason.

When he committed, I believe Jones was still coming off the bench for a few minutes per game. Since then, Jones started a number of games and played more minutes in general. I imagine that the depth chart this next year had something to do with it too, though. Add Kanter and also consider O'Mara's improvement since the initial commitment, and you are looking at basically no playing time in year 1. There's only two more years of eligibility left after that, and those are up against an improved Jones too.

[XUGRAD80]

Don't know why Ernst de-committed, but IF he decided not to come because he was fearful of not getting any playing time then I say OK. If he is afraid to compete for playing time with his teammates, then why would he be expected to compete against BE competition? Let me repeat...I don't KNOW that this is the reason he decided to de-commit.

In any case.....welcome Mr. Kanter and good luck on whichever way your path leads.

[birdman71]

Yes. Welcome to XU.

[Caf]

https://twitter.com/NE_Playaz/status/848977593135230976

Make no mistake guys, this is a big get.

[Muskie]

Seems like a great get. Hedges against the possibility that Sean may regress a tad from his Post-Season Tourney run (though hopefully the "Jason Love" effect has occurred) and allows Jones minutes to continue to improve but avoids a situation if Fouls become a problem.

[blueblob06]

While I was curious to see how Ernst would do, having Kanter in his place is more of a "for sure" pickup for this season. And with how great the recruiting has been, now Mack has an open spot to put a new guy in 1 year from now instead of 3 years from now. With the caliber recruits X is bringing, that is very good news.

[Ohionite_X]

So if the staff doesn't pick up a non-grad transfer then we're looking at another 5 man freshman class in 2018. Is it possible we add another freshman to the 2017 class?

[nuts4xu]

So if the staff doesn't pick up a non-grad transfer then we're looking at another 5 man freshman class in 2018. Is it possible we add another freshman to the 2017 class?

Not likely. If they don't secure a commit from another grad transfer, they will likely just pocket the ship for next year.

[blueblob06]

And if Tre ends up going pro, we would have 2 open spots by my math:
1. JP Macura (4th)
2. Sean O'Mara (4th)
3. Trevon Bluiett (4th)
4. Kerem Kanter (4th)^
5. Kaiser Gates (3rd)
6. Tyrique Jones (2nd)
7. Quentin Goodin (2nd)
8. Jared Ridder (verbal commitment, April 2016)
9. Elias Harden (verbal commitment, July 2016)
10. Naji Marshall (verbal commitment, July 2016)
11. Kentrevious Jones (verbal commitment, July 2016)
12. Paul Scruggs (verbal commitment, October 2016)
13. (open)
http://www.xavierbasketball.com/info-on-your-muskies.php

That would leave only 11 scholarship players. Still able to have good scrimmages but injuries would put that in limbo.

Tre, just stay at X, it'll make everything easier! And side benefit, we can retire #5 after the Final Four run!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

And if Tre ends up going pro, we would have 2 open spots by my math:
1. JP Macura (4th)
2. Sean O'Mara (4th)
3. Trevon Bluiett (4th)
4. Kerem Kanter (4th)^
5. Kaiser Gates (3rd)
6. Tyrique Jones (2nd)
7. Quentin Goodin (2nd)
8. Jared Ridder (verbal commitment, April 2016)
9. Elias Harden (verbal commitment, July 2016)
10. Naji Marshall (verbal commitment, July 2016)
11. Kentrevious Jones (verbal commitment, July 2016)
12. Paul Scruggs (verbal commitment, October 2016)
13. (open)
http://www.xavierbasketball.com/info-on-your-muskies.php

That would leave only 11 scholarship players. Still able to have good scrimmages but injuries would put that in limbo.

Tre, just stay at X, it'll make everything easier! And side benefit, we can retire #5 after the Final Four run!

The freshmen signed LOIs.

[GoMuskies]

We could just as easily be at 9 if Bluiett goes, Jones doesn't make it, and Kanter stays in the draft. So the situation is....fluid.

[GIMMFD]

I get the whole it's great to have at least 10 scholarship players for competitive scrimmages but I think Mack does pretty well with figuring out a rotation, hell, we weren't what I would call deep this year and still made the Elite 8.. but I also looked it up for reference and it looked like UNC had 9 scholarship players in rotation with 14 minutes or more, so it's kind of tricky to figure out.

[xufan02]

Xavier has been reported to be tracking two more transfers; forward Ed Morrow Jr and guard Michael Weathers.

I venture to guess they are not certain Big Kent will be eligible so they will need another big with experience in the 18-19 season.

Weathers is very talented and despite Xavier not needing another point guard they have a visit lined up, and aggressively pursuing him.

I'm interested to see how all this shakes out especially with Trevon maybe considering a return more then before. It might come down to the staff giving Trevon a decision date if they have other players ready to commit.

[MADXSTER]

May 24th is a decision date since that is the NBA deadline. Xavier isn't going to make Trevon decide prior to that date. You don't pressure a guy who scored over 1500 points for your team.

[xu82]

I'd love another dead-eye shooter, but I trust our staff.

[Juice]

I'd love another dead-eye shooter, but I trust our staff.

I think that's completely dependent on whether Trevon comes back. If he does, then use the extra scholarship on a traditional transfer. If he doesn't then use it on a shooter. The good thing about Kanter compared to Ernst is that Kanter can shoot from the outside a little bit.

[xu82]

In my mind, I'll just be pleasantly (and selfishly) surprised if Trevon comes back.

[SemajParlor]

I'd love another dead-eye shooter, but I trust our staff.

I don't follow recruiting nearly as much as others, but everything I've read seems to suggest that Ridder is an exceptional shooter. Hopefully with Goodin more comfortable and now with Scruggs, JP will feel less pressure to handle the ball. I know his average dipped from his previous 2 years, but I like having him from behind the arc. Kid can shoot.

[xu82]

I don't follow recruiting nearly as much as others, but everything I've read seems to suggest that Ridder is an exceptional shooter. Hopefully with Goodin more comfortable and now with Scruggs, JP will feel less pressure to handle the ball. I know his average dipped from his previous 2 years, but I like having him from behind the arc. Kid can shoot.

Yes, Ridder is supposed to be an excellent shooter. I was thinking more of a transfer who will have some experience and be up to speed on playing D1 defense already. Someone ready to fully contribute next year for our Final Four run. :)

[GIMMFD]

Yes, Ridder is supposed to be an excellent shooter. I was thinking more of a transfer who will have some experience and be up to speed on playing D1 defense already. Someone ready to fully contribute next year for our Final Four run. :)

Agreed, and though JP Macura is a good shooter, he's very streaky. You never know with him to be honest. But yes, I'd take experience over relying on a true Freshman to be your shooter.

[GoMuskies]

JP's numbers suffer from the absolutely awful 3s he takes....pretty much every game. It's usually just 1 a game, but about one possession a game it's pretty clear that he's hunting a shot and bound and determined to take one. Those rarely go in. If he could eliminate those shots from his game, his efficiency would certainly improve.

[SemajParlor]

JP's numbers suffer from the absolutely awful 3s he takes....pretty much every game. It's usually just 1 a game, but about one possession a game it's pretty clear that he's hunting a shot and bound and determined to take one. Those rarely go it. If he could eliminate those shots from his game, his efficiency would certainly improve.

I came to peace a while ago with JP being JP. There are days you want to turn the TV off and others where the talent is too overwhelming. Blueitt deservedly got much of the credit, but JP's March from the Creighton semis game on was brilliant. I think he's due for a huge senior year.

[Xavier]

I would love to add another 3 point threat if Tre isn't back. Still, I never cringe when JP or Gates shoot a wide open 3. I would love a Bernard (in March) player- that would be ideal.

[letskeepitreal]

I thought I read somewhere that the decision date was June 12, not May 24th. Re: Kanter, his highlight reel looks good but it is a heighlight reel. Can bang inside, shoot the three and drive. Hope he decides to stay in school.

[X-ceptional]

I thought I read somewhere that the decision date was June 12, not May 24th. Re: Kanter, his highlight reel looks good but it is a heighlight reel. Can bang inside, shoot the three and drive. Hope he decides to stay in school.

That's the general withdrawal date set by the NBA, but the NCAA rule to maintain eligibility is separate.

April 23: deadline to declare;
April 25: NBA teams can conduct or attend workouts with early-entry players;
April 28: combine invitations sent out;
May 9 - 14: combine
May 24: deadline to withdraw and maintain NCAA eligibility
June 12: deadline to withdraw for international and other non-NCAA players

[Juice]

Why does anyone on here actually think he's going to enter the draft?

[GoMuskies]

Why does anyone on here actually think he's going to enter the draft?

Because he declared for the draft.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Technically he is in the draft right now and getting evaluated just like Trevon is. Whether he returns to school is up in the air, however, draft boards have him nowhere to be seen so it is looking like he will play at X next year.

[scoscox]

In my mind, I'll just be pleasantly (and selfishly) surprised if Trevon comes back.

Likewise, although I think it's probaby the best move for him to improve his draft stock. If he comes back in even better shape and has a 20+ppg, 7rpg, 1st team AA type season, he's gonna be a lot harder to pass up on. Especially if he once again carries us to a deep run.

Also nobody has mentioned him, but Harden is supposed to be a very good shooter as well. I agree though it would be nice to have someone reliable

[scoscox]

Why does anyone on here actually think he's going to enter the draft?

He is technically in the draft, but yea I don't really see him being anywhere close to getting drafted.

[markchal]

We were one of the worst 3-pt shooting teams in the nation WITH Tre, so if he leaves, IMO we have to pick up a grad transfer who can shoot. Isn't Ridder a 4? If he's stuck behind Gates, I wouldn't expect him to help much. Same with Harden. The consensus seems to be that Scruggs and Naji are the most ready to contribute from day 1. This team will be pretty athletic, but we definitely could use some shooting.

[Juice]

Because he declared for the draft.

I understand that. But I know tons of guys who declare for the draft and not sign with an agent, have no draft buzz, but also announce a decision to transfer while that team cuts loose another commit that plays the same position...

[ArizonaXUGrad]

We were one of the worst 3-pt shooting teams in the nation WITH Tre, so if he leaves, IMO we have to pick up a grad transfer who can shoot. Isn't Ridder a 4? If he's stuck behind Gates, I wouldn't expect him to help much. Same with Harden. The consensus seems to be that Scruggs and Naji are the most ready to contribute from day 1. This team will be pretty athletic, but we definitely could use some shooting.

I don't think Mack is moving in a direction with specific roles on the team. I think he is moving towards the 'Nova approach with ball handlers/wings and one big. Don't be surprised to see Mack toss personnel out there that wouldn't fit a traditional system.

[xavierj]

We were one of the worst 3-pt shooting teams in the nation WITH Tre, so if he leaves, IMO we have to pick up a grad transfer who can shoot. Isn't Ridder a 4? If he's stuck behind Gates, I wouldn't expect him to help much. Same with Harden. The consensus seems to be that Scruggs and Naji are the most ready to contribute from day 1. This team will be pretty athletic, but we definitely could use some shooting.

They were not the worst but middle of the pack. They shot over 34% as a team and had two guys over 37%. They were good in March due to Q finally learning to pass to the wing and corners instead of going straight to basket with no plan. Xavier had good shooters but when your not getting good looks, your % will suffer. They will shoot better next year because Q and the incoming guards will be better passers and will draw a lot of attention driving to hoop. If Tre comes back, he and JP will be high 30's to 40% on threes because they will get great looks.

[xu82]

I don't think Mack is moving in a direction with specific roles on the team. I think he is moving towards the 'Nova approach with ball handlers/wings and one big. Don't be surprised to see Mack toss personnel out there that wouldn't fit a traditional system.

It seems that's exactly what he's doing, but the point is you need enough shooters in the mix, and from the outside it looks like we could use some help there (especially if Trevon is gone). But then, I'm pretty sure our staff knows more than I do.

[xavierj]

It seems that's exactly what he's doing, but the point is you need enough shooters in the mix, and from the outside it looks like we could use some help there (especially if Trevon is gone). But then, I'm pretty sure our staff knows more than I do.

Good three point shooters next year: JP, Ridder, kanter, Harden and Bluiett if he comes back. That's 5 guys. It's not as bad as poeple make it out to be. Again we struggled this year because Ed got hurt and Q took a while to learn how to set guys up. Xavier will not have a problem scoring next year. Besides how many 3's made per game do most teams average? North Carolina won the national championship going 4-27. Just put the ball in the basket, rebound and play defense.

[RealDeal]

I would think that if all 3 guys are earning starting playing time in practice then we would see more 2 big lineups. Assuming Tre leaves.

[xuwin]

It seems that's exactly what he's doing, but the point is you need enough shooters in the mix, and from the outside it looks like we could use some help there (especially if Trevon is gone). But then, I'm pretty sure our staff knows more than I do.

Aren't you selling yourself a little short by assuming that the staff knows more than you do?

[BandAid]

Good three point shooters next year: JP, Ridder, kanter, Harden and Bluiett if he comes back. That's 5 guys. It's not as bad as poeple make it out to be. Again we struggled this year because Ed got hurt and Q took a while to learn how to set guys up. Xavier will not have a problem scoring next year. Besides how many 3's made per game do most teams average? North Carolina won the national championship going 4-27. Just put the ball in the basket, rebound and play defense.

Plus Gates.

[GIMMFD]

Plus Gates.

Yes but Gates' also streaky, you never know with him either. Also we're counting Kanter as a good three point shooter when in his career he's shot 28%, 20%, and 35%, he also looks pretty streaky, plus he's only put up 40 in a season at roughly 20 minutes a game, Sophomore JP put up 104 in 22 minutes per game shooting 35%. I consider him someone you have to mark away from the basket, but not a GOOD shooter. Too many variables.

[xu82]

Good three point shooters next year: JP, Ridder, kanter, Harden and Bluiett if he comes back. That's 5 guys. It's not as bad as poeple make it out to be. Again we struggled this year because Ed got hurt and Q took a while to learn how to set guys up. Xavier will not have a problem scoring next year. Besides how many 3's made per game do most teams average? North Carolina won the national championship going 4-27. Just put the ball in the basket, rebound and play defense.

Not to be negative (but here it comes), I'm afraid Trevon is gone, Ridder is a freshman and we don't know about his defense or learning curve, Kanter is 6'10" and did shoot 35% last year, but on only about 40 attempts, and I was not under the impression Harden was a great outside shooter, but I could be wrong (it's happened before!) and again is a freshman. Don't get me wrong, I trust our staff, but if we lose Trevon, we need a solid replacement from outside. So 5 guys drops to a much lower number of experienced players pretty quickly.

[xu82]

Aren't you selling yourself a little short by assuming that the staff knows more than you do?

You're right, I'm just trying to be modest. :)

[xavierj]

Not to be negative (but here it comes), I'm afraid Trevon is gone, Ridder is a freshman and we don't know about his defense or learning curve, Kanter is 6'10" and did shoot 35% last year, but on only about 40 attempts, and I was not under the impression Harden was a great outside shooter, but I could be wrong (it's happened before!) and again is a freshman. Don't get me wrong, I trust our staff, but if we lose Trevon, we need a solid replacement from outside. So 5 guys drops to a much lower number of experienced players pretty quickly.

Yes without Blueitt Xavier has Gates, JP, Harden, Ridder and Kanter as guys who can knock down 3's. Again if they get open looks they will be really good shooters. Q, Paul and Naji are just big bodied scorers who can pass, so good luck to our opponents

[XUGRAD80]

For all we know X could be talking to several good 3 point shooters right now. But even if they are, that doesn't mean they will get one to come to school. So if they don't sign another player, that doesn't mean they aren't trying or don't see the need for one. It might mean that they just didn't sign one. You can't make players choose to come, you can only offer. I trust the staff to understand what the needs are and to recruit to fill those needs. But I also trust the staff to have the best idea of what their true needs are, and to be able to a accurately identify players that can fill those needs. After all, THEY get paid to worry about such things, we don't.

[xu82]

For all we know X could be talking to several good 3 point shooters right now. But even if they are, that doesn't mean they will get one to come to school. So if they don't sign another player, that doesn't mean they aren't trying or don't see the need for one. It might mean that they just didn't sign one. You can't make players choose to come, you can only offer. I trust the staff to understand what the needs are and to recruit to fill those needs. But I also trust the staff to have the best idea of what their true needs are, and to be able to a accurately identify players that can fill those needs. After all, THEY get paid to worry about such things, we don't.

Absolutely!

[markchal]

Yes without Blueitt Xavier has Gates, JP, Harden, Ridder and Kanter as guys who can knock down 3's. Again if they get open looks they will be really good shooters. Q, Paul and Naji are just big bodied scorers who can pass, so good luck to our opponents

Without Tre, it's Gates and JP. I'd be very surprised if we're counting on Ridder or Harden for big minutes. Paul and Naji I expect to see much of. Kanter caaaan knock it down, but he really doesn't shoot many, and it's questionable how much PT he'll get, as O'mara and Tyrique will get the bulk of the minutes.

We're really lacking some shooting from the 1/2 spots. Someone mentioned Villanova, but part of why that works for them is because they usually have four guys on the floor who are terrific shooters.

I don't think it's gonna tank our season or anything, but we're definitely gonna be lacking in shooting bigtime.

[XU3232]

We are going to be an ELITE defensive team next year so the fact that we don't have a lot of great shooters is not going to matter AS much. Our defense alone will keep us in every game.

[DexterBailey84]

Not to be negative (but here it comes), I'm afraid Trevon is gone...

I really don't understand this sentiment......IMO, if Trevon TRULY wanted to go pro, including Europe, he would have just hired an agent and been done with it and would have concentrated solely on that.

to me, it's NBA or X.....if he gets 1st round feedback he'll bolt, if not, he'll be back.

Europe isn't even a consideration at this time IMO.

[Muskie in dayton]

I really don't understand this sentiment......IMO, if Trevon TRULY wanted to go pro, including Europe, he would have just hired an agent and been done with it and would have concentrated solely on that.

to me, it's NBA or X.....if he gets 1st round feedback he'll bolt, if not, he'll be back.

Europe isn't even a consideration at this time IMO.

Exactly. This is very sound logic.

Be careful of that here, and definitely don't take it to the other message board.

[xu82]

In my case, it's less about what you think will happen than what you fear will happen. Geez, relax.

[X-ceptional]

In my case, it's less about what you think will happen than what you fear will happen. Geez, relax.

x1000

I see the logic in Tre's return. However, I'm a sports fan from Cincinnati, so I just expect to be disappointed.

[X Factor]

Must be nice for MSU...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19152875/miles-bridges-returning-michigan-state-spartans-sophomore-season


Miles Bridges is returning to Michigan State for his sophomore season.

The 6-foot-7 forward, considered by many a lottery pick if he formally entered this year's NBA draft, announced Thursday that he would be back with the Spartans in 2017-18, putting them immediately in the picture as a national title contender.

Bridges got a roar from a huge crowd gathered at the school's Sparty statue on Thursday night when he made the announcement.

"I got some unfinished business here,'' he said. "I want to stay.''

In his latest mock draft before Bridges' decision, ESPN's Chad Ford had him slated to go No. 12 overall if he left school.

Bridges said he was told he would be drafted between Nos. 8-14 if he declared himself eligible. His mother made it clear she wanted him to go pro.

"I would go to the NBA,'' Cynthia Bridges acknowledged. "But I'm not the basketball player. Miles is.''

Even though Bridges could've left to work on his game while making millions in the NBA, he chose to try to improve in college while enjoying life on and off the court.

"I'd rather stay here and get better,'' he said.

Bridges said he's coming back to chase a national championship.

[Xavier]

I really don't understand this sentiment......IMO, if Trevon TRULY wanted to go pro, including Europe, he would have just hired an agent and been done with it and would have concentrated solely on that.

to me, it's NBA or X.....if he gets 1st round feedback he'll bolt, if not, he'll be back.

Europe isn't even a consideration at this time IMO.

One of the X reporters on Scout said to Lance on an interview that Tre would leave if a team drafting 35-45 guaranteed they'd pick him. He also went on to say he thinks Tre is leaning towards coming back. Regardless, he seems to think even an early second round pick guarantee and Tre would leave.

[paulxu]

Bridges said he was told he would be drafted between Nos. 8-14 if he declared himself eligible. His mother made it clear she wanted him to go pro.

"I would go to the NBA,'' Cynthia Bridges acknowledged. "But I'm not the basketball player. Miles is.''

Well, that's a little different.

[GIMMFD]

Well, that's a little different.

You know what, I gained a ton of respect for Bridges, he's looking to improve his stock, and come back and really make some damage happen at Michigan State. I can't blame him for wanting a National Championship, that's some heart, and drive. It's so damn easy to bolt and make millions, but man, that kid must be a freaking awesome teammate.

[bobbiemcgee]

In my case, it's less about what you think will happen than what you fear will happen.

Are you still flying United?

[smileyy]

if he gets 1st round feedback he'll bolt, if not, he'll be back.

So, you're saying he'll be back.

[DexterBailey84]

So, you're saying he'll be back.

Just my opinion of course... but yeah, I think so

[SemajParlor]

Finally got around to watching some of Kanter's highlights. Looks skilled with back to the basket. It was nice seeing him do well against Wisconsin. I'm excited to see where and how he'll fit in the rotation.

[XU 87]

We are going to be an ELITE defensive team next year so the fact that we don't have a lot of great shooters is not going to matter AS much. Our defense alone will keep us in every game.

While I like your optimism, what makes you think that?

I would not call Macura or O'Mara elite defenders, the same with Bluiett if he comes back. Gates has the potential to be a very good defender, but hasn't shown it yet on a consistent basis. We've got some athletic freshman coming in, but they're still freshman.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think elite is a stretch, but Scruggs and Marshall are elite at the HS level. They could certainly grow, FYI we were a good defensive team with Sumner.

[LA Muskie]

Three "plus" defenders on the court (if Scruggs and Marshall's defensive prowess translate readily to the college game) is pretty darn good. We probably would be "elite" defensively if they do, especially if Gates progresses and Tyrique learns how to avoid bad fouls. Those s a pretty big "if"s, but we should be pretty good defensively no matter what.

[bobbiemcgee]

I think Tryrique improved a lot on the bad PF's late in the season compared to early on. Check the stats since the UC game.

[XU3232]

While I like your optimism, what makes you think that?

I would not call Macura or O'Mara elite defenders, the same with Bluiett if he comes back. Gates has the potential to be a very good defender, but hasn't shown it yet on a consistent basis. We've got some athletic freshman coming in, but they're still freshman.

I'm pretty sure that Scruggs will be our best defender next year (I don't care that he is a freshman). He has the body, length, and toughness. When you add Q, Naji, and Kaiser along with the rest of the team I really believe they will be elite. Even though Macura and Tre aren't great on defense, they have definitely improved.

[MADXSTER]

IMO Kaiser is a very good defender against SF's and the like. He has great horizontal movement and even if he gets beat he has the length to create issues near the basket. HOWEVER, IMO he isn't the best against big men. He's 6'8 230lb and doesn't seen to like to bang down low. IF he could ever turn the corner on that end, he would become a major force.

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

Kaiser is a good player but too much of a " finesse" player for his size and my taste. He likes to shoot the 3 a bit too much. For me he is much better when he mixes the outside shooting with the driving. And when he drives he looks good. With his size, he should be able to be more intimidating. I guess that playing with passion/cojones is not in him. And Im not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is. When he is drilling those 3's, he looks awesome but many times when he is off the mark, he disappears because he does not look to drive that much. However, as I recall it, at the end of the year he did a much better job.

[XU 87]

I'm pretty sure that Scruggs will be our best defender next year (I don't care that he is a freshman). He has the body, length, and toughness.

Freshman at X tend to struggle defensively, no matter how much athleticism. But we'll see, and I hope you're correct.

[GIMMFD]

Freshman at X tend to struggle defensively, no matter how much athleticism. But we'll see, and I hope you're correct.

Freshman everywhere until they get their feet wet, and kind of develop throughout the course of the season, who knows by the end of the year Scruggs could very well be an elite defender.

[xufan2434]

Kaiser is a good player but too much of a " finesse" player for his size and my taste. He likes to shoot the 3 a bit too much. For me he is much better when he mixes the outside shooting with the driving. And when he drives he looks good. With his size, he should be able to be more intimidating. I guess that playing with passion/cojones is not in him. And Im not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is. When he is drilling those 3's, he looks awesome but many times when he is off the mark, he disappears because he does not look to drive that much. However, as I recall it, at the end of the year he did a much better job.

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't say when Kaiser drives he looks "good". Most of the year when he got healthy and was trying to contribute he looked very uncomfortable putting the ball on the floor. And I don't think that has anything to do with his character on the court, some guys just aren't that good of ball handlers. He was forced to do it a couple times during the losing streak and got called for multiple travels. I would expect that to be a big focus of his in the off season because he really does have a lot of potential if he can add that to his game. As long as he's rebounding though and hitting open looks, I'm good with him. With the incoming class and the other guys returning, there will be plenty of talent that can drive in the lane. He should have a lot of open 3's next year

[Juice]

Kaiser is a good player but too much of a " finesse" player for his size and my taste. He likes to shoot the 3 a bit too much. For me he is much better when he mixes the outside shooting with the driving. And when he drives he looks good. With his size, he should be able to be more intimidating. I guess that playing with passion/cojones is not in him. And Im not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is. When he is drilling those 3's, he looks awesome but many times when he is off the mark, he disappears because he does not look to drive that much. However, as I recall it, at the end of the year he did a much better job.

His style of play and whether you like it or not has nothing to do with passion or cojones. Why you equate one with the other is dumb. Do only tough guys bang low? Do people who don't care about basketball only play away from the hoop?

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

Sorry for being dumb man. When I grow up, I want to be just like you and own truthfulness, own the right to an opinion, own the right to judge other people's opinion and the right to impose my opinion over others. Oops, sorry. Not the last one. Imposing my own opinion over others would make me an A Hole and you are not that. Sorry again, Juicy Juice.

[xu82]

Well this is fun. :no:

[SemajParlor]

Yeesh. Some people just don't have the passion / cojones in them to handle someone disagreeing with them on a message board.

[GIMMFD]

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't say when Kaiser drives he looks "good". Most of the year when he got healthy and was trying to contribute he looked very uncomfortable putting the ball on the floor. And I don't think that has anything to do with his character on the court, some guys just aren't that good of ball handlers. He was forced to do it a couple times during the losing streak and got called for multiple travels. I would expect that to be a big focus of his in the off season because he really does have a lot of potential if he can add that to his game. As long as he's rebounding though and hitting open looks, I'm good with him. With the incoming class and the other guys returning, there will be plenty of talent that can drive in the lane. He should have a lot of open 3's next year

Really?? I thought tournament Kaiser when he drove looked pretty, good I remember him putting the ball on the floor a few times and going strong at the hoop during NCAA's, and was like "wait a damn second, is that Kaiser???" granted I was also boozed up to a unhealthy extent, but those are just logistics.

[xu82]

Really?? I thought tournament Kaiser when he drove looked pretty, good I remember him putting the ball on the floor a few times and going strong at the hoop during NCAA's, and was like "wait a damn second, is that Kaiser???" granted I was also boozed up to a unhealthy extent, but those are just logistics.

I did LOVE seeing him put the ball on the floor later in the season, and I thought it was great! Perfect? What is? But definitely something to build on. (And his parents are great!)

[Olsingledigit]

Freshman at X tend to struggle defensively, no matter how much athleticism. But we'll see, and I hope you're correct.

Q got a number of props from Mack for his D this past season - as a freshman.

[XUFan09]

Yeesh. Some people just don't have the passion / cojones in them to handle someone disagreeing with them on a message board.
Haha beat me to it. Some just lack toughness.

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[Juice]

Sorry for being dumb man. When I grow up, I want to be just like you and own truthfulness, own the right to an opinion, own the right to judge other people's opinion and the right to impose my opinion over others. Oops, sorry. Not the last one. Imposing my own opinion over others would make me an A Hole and you are not that. Sorry again, Juicy Juice.

I just don't like posters claiming that college players lack cojones and don't have the passion. You aren't at practice and you know nothing about Kaiser. But sure way to question his character based on him shooting 3s too much. You may disagree with his shot selection and want him to go down low more, I'm sure a lot of us would, but why the hell would you question the passion of a 20 year old? My guess you'd be scared as shit to tell him to his face that he lacks "cojones".

[MuskieXU]

Ill admit that I have been a bit hot and cold on Kaiser but let me ask you this: how many big men since 2000 have been asked to do what Kaiser has been asked to do as a true sophomore? Off the top of my head, I have Doellman, Duncan, and DWest and all 3 of them played in the less physical A10. You can sit here and say Kaiser lacks toughness or he lacks this or that, but you're comparing his Freshman and Sophomore years to a traditional Xavier big man who doesn't see the floor until hes a Junior or even Senior. Kaiser undoubtedly still has a ways to go, but his playing time as an underclassman should be used as a testament to his potential not a comparison to the big men of past who didnt see the floor until they were grown ass men. I expect him to make a big jump his last 2 seasons as so many big men in the past have, and thats with better experience than 90% of Xavier big men have had their first 2 years.

[xufan2434]

Really?? I thought tournament Kaiser when he drove looked pretty, good I remember him putting the ball on the floor a few times and going strong at the hoop during NCAA's, and was like "wait a damn second, is that Kaiser???" granted I was also boozed up to a unhealthy extent, but those are just logistics.

He had a very nice And 1 drive against Arizona. But 16 of his 21 FG attempts were 3's throughout the tournament. He didn't do it as often as you think. I remember specifically the Nova game at home and the losing streak that followed, him struggling to put the ball on the deck. And that was mainly because Tre was out and this team was trying to create any kind of offense they could. So guys were trying things they normally don't do.

Believe me, I would love to see him do it more often and I think he will next year. But I only remember Creighton and a blowout at Marquette in which he actually drove and was successful. Lol, and you basically proved my point of him looking uncomfortable most of the season since you were so shocked he could do it and said "wait a damn second, is that Kaiser???"

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

I just don't like posters claiming that college players lack cojones and don't have the passion. You aren't at practice and you know nothing about Kaiser. But sure way to question his character based on him shooting 3s too much. You may disagree with his shot selection and want him to go down low more, I'm sure a lot of us would, but why the hell would you question the passion of a 20 year old? My guess you'd be scared as shit to tell him to his face that he lacks "cojones".

You might not like what I posted but that gives you no right to call me, or anyone in this board, dumb. You want to disagree with me, then disagree and stay at that pal. I'm fine with you disagreeing or posting to "defend" KG. Just don't cross the line. My post was not disrespectful to Kaiser and certainly did not questioned his work ethics. On the contrary, I did say he is a good player. Also, I did say that "I guess playing with passion/cojones is not in him.
And I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is". That has nothing to do with his work ethics, practice time or character. It referred to his playing style. Let me just say this, I'm sure that if I look at your posts I will find several posts criticizing how certain players play. So, are you the only one allowed?, do you dislike yourself for posting those posts like you dislike mine? or do you get yourself to believe that when you criticize a player you are not " questioning him" to feel that what you are doing is ok but somehow when others do it is not ok? What is it? Which one is it? I personally think that, perhaps, you read too much between the lines and infused something in my post that was simply not meant by me. BTW, if you are a christian, try not to make reference to "hell". Have a nice day.

[muskiefan82]

BTW, if you are a christian, try not to make reference to "hell".

This statement confuses me. Why would any Christian not make reference to hell?

[X-ceptional]

This statement confuses me. Why would any Christian not make reference to hell?

This is Offseason Hell.

[Juice]

You might not like what I posted but that gives you no right to call me, or anyone in this board, dumb. You want to disagree with me, then disagree and stay at that pal. I'm fine with you disagreeing or posting to "defend" KG. Just don't cross the line. My post was not disrespectful to Kaiser and certainly did not questioned his work ethics. On the contrary, I did say he is a good player. Also, I did say that "I guess playing with passion/cojones is not in him.
And I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is". That has nothing to do with his work ethics, practice time or character. It referred to his playing style. Let me just say this, I'm sure that if I look at your posts I will find several posts criticizing how certain players play. So, are you the only one allowed?, do you dislike yourself for posting those posts like you dislike mine? or do you get yourself to believe that when you criticize a player you are not " questioning him" to feel that what you are doing is ok but somehow when others do it is not ok? What is it? Which one is it? I personally think that, perhaps, you read too much between the lines and infused something in my post that was simply not meant by me. BTW, if you are a christian, try not to make reference to "hell". Have a nice day.

So you can say he lacks passion and cojones but me calling you dumb is what makes you mad? And you don't like my reference to hell?

Jesus, we're done.

Shit, did I just make a reference to Jesus in vain too?

[XMuskieFTW]

"And I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-Id_fuXFA

[GIMMFD]

He had a very nice And 1 drive against Arizona. But 16 of his 21 FG attempts were 3's throughout the tournament. He didn't do it as often as you think. I remember specifically the Nova game at home and the losing streak that followed, him struggling to put the ball on the deck. And that was mainly because Tre was out and this team was trying to create any kind of offense they could. So guys were trying things they normally don't do.

Believe me, I would love to see him do it more often and I think he will next year. But I only remember Creighton and a blowout at Marquette in which he actually drove and was successful. Lol, and you basically proved my point of him looking uncomfortable most of the season since you were so shocked he could do it and said "wait a damn second, is that Kaiser???"

Crazy how one play can stick out in your mind, I still think we shouldn't close the door on this option, he's got plenty of length, and I'm sure he'll develop in the off-season some more, with strength and what not. The prime case in development should be James Farr, went from outside to banging on the inside, hell even look at Q starting to finish around the rim better towards the end of the season, I fully trust our staff's ability to develop our talent. I like him shooting 3's as well, and I really hope he begins to show he's the best shooter on the team like Mack claims he is, but it would be nice to have guys on offense with multiple weapons in their arsenal.

[xufan2434]

Crazy how one play can stick out in your mind, I still think we shouldn't close the door on this option, he's got plenty of length, and I'm sure he'll develop in the off-season some more, with strength and what not. The prime case in development should be James Farr, went from outside to banging on the inside, hell even look at Q starting to finish around the rim better towards the end of the season, I fully trust our staff's ability to develop our talent. I like him shooting 3's as well, and I really hope he begins to show he's the best shooter on the team like Mack claims he is, but it would be nice to have guys on offense with multiple weapons in their arsenal.

Completely agree. And honestly sophomore year to junior year is where I think 4 year guys really start to make a turn. You're comfortable with the system, and fully adapted to the college game. Now time to add what you can bring skill wise. Farr made unbelievable strides. To Gates specifically and the type of game he has, reminds me personally of BJ with better potential down low cause of his size. If he could get comfortable driving off a pump and developing a mid range even, then really watch out. I agree it's all there and the staff has proven what improvements they can help with

[smileyy]

I suspect that Gates never 100% recovered from his knee surgery -- most likely mentally. It has to be kind of scary to hurt your knee, then jump back into action as soon as it is healed. I know he did rehab and all and I'm still wondering how much he was tentative b/c of his knee.

[THRILLHOUSE]

You might not like what I posted but that gives you no right to call me, or anyone in this board, dumb. You want to disagree with me, then disagree and stay at that pal. I'm fine with you disagreeing or posting to "defend" KG. Just don't cross the line. My post was not disrespectful to Kaiser and certainly did not questioned his work ethics. On the contrary, I did say he is a good player. Also, I did say that "I guess playing with passion/cojones is not in him.
And I'm not saying it in a disrespectful way. Its just that he is who he is". That has nothing to do with his work ethics, practice time or character. It referred to his playing style. Let me just say this, I'm sure that if I look at your posts I will find several posts criticizing how certain players play. So, are you the only one allowed?, do you dislike yourself for posting those posts like you dislike mine? or do you get yourself to believe that when you criticize a player you are not " questioning him" to feel that what you are doing is ok but somehow when others do it is not ok? What is it? Which one is it? I personally think that, perhaps, you read too much between the lines and infused something in my post that was simply not meant by me. BTW, if you are a christian, try not to make reference to "hell". Have a nice day.

https://media.tenor.co/images/ff2507da1e68b4ed7c34ed782a0fbead/tenor.gif

[xu82]

I suspect that Gates never 100% recovered from his knee surgery -- most likely mentally. It has to be kind of scary to hurt your knee, then jump back into action as soon as it is healed. I know he did rehab and all and I'm still wondering how much he was tentative b/c of his knee.

I'll never forget after my son's torn ACL and MCL when after months of therapy the guy took him into a back alley and told him to run suicides. My son was too polite to say it out loud, but his face was enough to clearly communicate "are you F%#@ing kidding me???" The knee may be physically and structurally sound, but it took a long time before he trusted it, then eventually just forgot about it.

[LA Muskie]

For those not following, Kerem's brother, Enes is stranded in Romania on a humanitarian tour for his new charitable foundation focused on shelter, food, education and resources for underprivileged youth around the world. Turkish dictator Erdogan revoked his passport, reportedly because Kanter is an outspoken critic.

According to the articles I've seen, Enes has been disowned by his parents and is estranged from his siblings. I wasn't aware of that. Sad.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like he's on his way to London now.

[mistabeecee41]

No surprise here, but withdrew his name from the draft per Twitter. We OFFICIALLY can welcome him to Xavier.

[GIMMFD]

No surprise here, but withdrew his name from the draft per Twitter. We OFFICIALLY can welcome him to Xavier.

Beautiful. We add another body, basically replaced Ernst with Kanter.

[nuts4xu]

According to the articles I've seen, Enes has been disowned by his parents and is estranged from his siblings. I wasn't aware of that. Sad.




Can you be disowned by your parents when the "kid" is a full grown adult man?

[Muskie]

Very excited about this.


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[xeus]

Can you be disowned by your parents when the "kid" is a full grown adult man?

That's between you and MOR.

[sirthought]

What are people's perceptions of these two guys? Not that it really matters now, but I was looking forward to seeing Ernst work his way into the lineup. Perhaps Kanter's recent college experience makes him a better bet???

[Juice]

What are people's perceptions of these two guys? Not that it really matters now, but I was looking forward to seeing Ernst work his way into the lineup. Perhaps Kanter's recent college experience makes him a better bet???

My understanding is that Kanter is a better player but we have him for one year while Ernst would have been here for 3.

[GoMuskies]

Kanter was averaging 22 and 12 per 40 minutes last year for UWGB, so I like that. The fact that he played less than 20 minutes means he can't guard a traffic cone, he's always in foul trouble and/or his conditioning is suspect.

Should be interesting!

Oh, I forgot the other option: perhaps his coach is/was a dolt.

[ammtd34]

Kanter was averaging 22 and 12 per 40 minutes last year for UWGB, so I like that. The fact that he played less than 20 minutes means he can't guard a traffic cone, he's always in foul trouble and/or his conditioning is suspect.

Should be interesting!

Oh, I forgot the other option: perhaps his coach is/was a dolt.

He averaged 12 mpg over the first 8 games, and 21 mpg over the remainder of the year.

[bobbiemcgee]

Kanter was averaging 22 and 12 per 40 minutes last year for UWGB, so I like that. The fact that he played less than 20 minutes means he can't guard a traffic cone, he's always in foul trouble and/or his conditioning is suspect.

Should be interesting!

Oh, I forgot the other option: perhaps his coach is/was a dolt.

Shades of Jimmie Binnie? Oh NO!

[GIMMFD]

He averaged 12 mpg over the first 8 games, and 21 mpg over the remainder of the year.

That's kind of interesting to see, I wonder how many minutes he'll get here with Tyrique and O'Mara, especially if those guys develop well over the off-season. Pretty decent problem to have. Wonder how much he can stretch the court, it says he's taken 40 three pointers last season, shooting at a 35% clip, but if he can hit like a 15 foot jumper and give Q and Scruggs some room to get to the rim it'll be a great pick up.

[XfansinKy]

I hear he's the family favorite. Not sure of why.

[GoMuskies]

I hear he's the family favorite. Not sure of why.

He's loyal to Erdogan.

[sirthought]

Maybe the 8 mpg were because he was in the coach's dog house.

Even after that, 21 mpg doesn't look so promising considering the obvious advantages his size might provide.

I guess the third man off the bench doesn't have to be a world beater. Looking forward to seeing what he adds to the team.

[XfansinKy]

Not sure why he considered the draft. I at first thought maybe his brother having NBA connections, told him his game was suited for the NBA, but apparently they don't communicate. I'm gonna trust coach Mack on this one because he's figured out how to get his guys to play their best in March or sit. Maybe better than any coach out there. What a tough situation for that entire family though. I read his dad is an intelligent man who had to retire as some type of engineer, and gets harassed going to the local market. I found it refreshing to hear his brother bragging about how beautiful the USA is when he made it back. If this post is too political I apologize. It seems to just be a strange and unfortunate situation.

[Juice]

Not sure why he considered the draft. I at first thought maybe his brother having NBA connections, told him his game was suited for the NBA, but apparently they don't communicate. I'm gonna trust coach Mack on this one because he's figured out how to get his guys to play their best in March or sit. Maybe better than any coach out there. What a tough situation for that entire family though. I read his dad is an intelligent man who had to retire as some type of engineer, and gets harassed going to the local market. I found it refreshing to hear his brother bragging about how beautiful the USA is when he made it back. If this post is too political I apologize. It seems to just be a strange and unfortunate situation.

Because he could and because it doesn't matter. Everyone knew he was coming back. But if you can get feedback from NBA teams that can help you play at the next level whether it be in the US or in Europe, why wouldn't you do that?

[xu82]

Because he could and because it doesn't matter. Everyone knew he was coming back. But if you can get feedback from NBA teams that can help you play at the next level whether it be in the US or in Europe, why wouldn't you do that?

Well, let's hope he listened and we benefit from what he heard.

[GIMMFD]

Because he could and because it doesn't matter. Everyone knew he was coming back. But if you can get feedback from NBA teams that can help you play at the next level whether it be in the US or in Europe, why wouldn't you do that?

An argument I've heard against this (though I don't agree with it at all, but posting just to stimulate off-season talk) is that some players start just focusing on that, so let's say you have a good slashing point guard and he needs to work on his 3 pointers, he'll end up taking a bunch of three's next year instead of doing what's made him successful so far, which can mess up team dynamic and chemistry.

[sirthought]

I believe that does happen, but hopefully the coach steps in when it's happening to the detriment of the team.