Trevon and the Draft (STAYING AT X)

[casualfan]

Without an agent:

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 1m1 minute ago
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Xavier' Trevon bluiett is putting his name in the NBA Draft but not signing with an agent, source told ESPN. http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0639520926139945882-4 …

That seems to be really good news.

[xufan2434]

IMO I think that's the smart move for Tre. Ed's situation to me at least is completely different. But there's no point in limiting your options by immediately signing with an agent. Might as well test it out to see exactly where's standing despite all the mocks that really don't know

[Caveat]

Very good news, IMO -- this seems to indicate that his "Plan B" is coming back to Xavier for his senior season as opposed to going to Europe if he doesn't like the way his NBA prospects are looking.

[GoMuskies]

Very good news, IMO -- this seems to indicate that his "Plan B" is coming back to Xavier for his senior season as opposed to going to Europe if he doesn't like the way his NBA prospects are looking.

Xavier still well be plan C or D, but at least he doesn't want to take it completely off the table.

[Caveat]

Xavier still well be plan C or D, but at least he doesn't want to take it completely off the table.

Might be right -- I just can't think (off the top of my head) of any guys who have gone No Agent --> Bad draft feedback --> Sign w/ Agent & Go to Europe.

I'm sure it happens, but it seems like that would be an odd move.

[Muskie34]

Xavier still well be plan C or D, but at least he doesn't want to take it completely off the table.

If Tre decides to comeback, he's looking to be a Xavier legend. Probably would be 2nd all-time leading scorer. Took us to an Elite 8, and pending his senior year results. You're looking at his jersey #5 hanging in the cintas forever if he returns.

[gladdenguy]

If Tre decides to comeback, he's looking to be a Xavier legend. Probably would be 2nd all-time leading scorer. Took us to an Elite 8, and pending his senior year results. You're looking at his jersey #5 hanging in the cintas forever if he returns.

I hope that is enough to keep him one more year. That is a pretty big deal (I know I'm biased but I bet he is thinking the same).
His parents are not in dire need for money. I hope between that status at X, and one JP Macura, Tre will be in a Xavier uniform next year.

[xufan2434]

Might be right -- I just can't think (off the top of my head) of any guys who have gone No Agent --> Bad draft feedback --> Sign w/ Agent & Go to Europe.

I'm sure it happens, but it seems like that would be an odd move.

Yeah I agree. If you have Europe over coming back at this point then you hire an agent as early as you can to get the best possible deal. No point in waiting around without one and limiting yourself. I wasn't really counting on it, but there are some guys similar to Tre that waited till senior year and now projected to go over him. Jaron Blossomgate, Josh Hart, Sindarius Thornwell are all older and similar comps that are gonna go ahead of him

I think Tre is better than Blossomgate, but he's more athletic. Technically they all are. But another year of improving his body and efficiency and I think someone would add him as a reliable role player if he were to choose and come back. Plus they could pick up right where they left off and dominate haha

[xufan2434]

I hope that is enough to keep him one more year. That is a pretty big deal (I know I'm biased but I bet he is thinking the same).
His parents are not in dire need for money. I hope between that status at X, and one JP Macura, Tre will be in a Xavier uniform next year.

He's been one of my bigger hopes of being the salesmen to bring Tre back and finish what they started

[THRILLHOUSE]

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[SemajParlor]

I'm kind of stunned anyone's been surprised by any moves from Sumner or Blueitt so far. This seems to all be very predictable. People should probably be more reliant on their own heads than the sites created to make money.

[ammtd34]

I'm kind of stunned anyone's been surprised by any moves from Sumner or Blueitt so far. This seems to all be very predictable. People should probably be more reliant on their own heads than the sites created to make money.

Are there people surprised by Tre?

[mid major]

Not totally sure but coming back probably means 1) They'll have a bobblehead giveaway of Tre. 2) His shirt will hang from the rafters and his number will be retired. 3) He'll be a Xavier legend because he led us to the promised land.

[GoMuskies]

Are there people surprised by Tre?

I'm not sure surprised is the right word. More pleased that he's not signing with an agent.

[muskiefan82]

If he returns, this team can be sick. I mean finally unseat Villanova sick.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Honestly with the rules, I would expect JP to declare with no agent...workout for teams...get feedback....return for his senior. Getting that feedback for any kind of post college career would seem invaluable.

[GetUp5]

I'm kind of stunned anyone's been surprised by any moves from Sumner or Blueitt so far. This seems to all be very predictable. People should probably be more reliant on their own heads than the sites created to make money.

No one is surprised about Tre.

You weren't a LITTLE surprised about Ed? He said himself he'd have been back if the doctors told him he'd be ready a couple months sooner. Ed himself was probably a little surprised by the feedback from the doctor right before he announced. You weren't though.

[xufan2434]

Honestly with the rules, I would expect JP to declare with no agent...workout for teams...get feedback....return for his senior. Getting that feedback for any kind of post college career would seem invaluable.

He absolutely should. There's no harm in going against the best for a couple weeks.

[GetUp5]

Honestly with the rules, I would expect JP to declare with no agent...workout for teams...get feedback....return for his senior. Getting that feedback for any kind of post college career would seem invaluable.

100%. Why not?? There's no downside.

[Masterofreality]

No surprise.

Wake me when there's news.

[drudy23]

What I wrote in the Mock Draft thread:

I'm guessing Tre knows it's going to be a long shot to make the first round. Additionally, you don't gain elite level quickness and explosiveness (which is keeping him out of the first round) in one year (or sometimes ever). So, him finding his way into the first round next year is also likely a long shot.

So for him, does he like school enough and feel he has some unfinished business at X, or is he OK getting drafted in the 2nd round and developing those quickness and explosiveness things under the eye of an NBA team....or just go to Europe and start making money.

Tough choice, but not mine to make.

[94GRAD]

Check me if I'm wrong, but can't you only declare one time and withdraw your name?

[GetUp5]

Lol @ everyone saying "zzzz no surprise here"...

The kid has always had NBA aspirations and always been thought of as a guy who could leave early. He declared and came back last year, then blew up in the NCAA Tournament. I wouldn't have been surprised at all if he declared and signed with an agent.

[GoMuskies]

Check me if I'm wrong, but can't you only declare one time and withdraw your name?

You're wrong. I read it on another thread here the other day, and I'm going to act like I knew it all along.

[GetUp5]

Check me if I'm wrong, but can't you only declare one time and withdraw your name?

"The council also voted that players will be allowed to enter or remove their names from the NBA draft multiple times without jeopardizing their eligibility and also will be allowed to participate in the NBA draft combine and one NBA team tryout per year.

The current rule stated that players were only allowed to declare for the NBA draft once while maintaining their college eligibility.

NCAA spokesman David Worlock confirmed the changes to ESPN."

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14564613/date-nba-draft-commitment-pushed-may

[SemajParlor]

No one is surprised about Tre.

You weren't a LITTLE surprised about Ed?

No. I was not a little surprised by Ed.

Just like I'm not going to be a little surprised that Tre stays in the draft.

[Caf]

He absolutely should. There's no harm in going against the best for a couple weeks.

100%. Why not?? There's no downside.

You guys make it sound like all these players have to do is go to an open gym. This isn't the basketball equivalent of a career fair.

[Masterofreality]

All I care about is that Tre now follows me on Instagram. :pointandlaugh:

[xufan2434]

You guys make it sound like all these players have to do is go to an open gym. This isn't the basketball equivalent of a career fair.

Cal made the entire UK team do it last year, including the walk ons...

[ArizonaXUGrad]

No surprise.

Wake me when there's news.

Wake you? Figured you would be too busy instagramming for Trevon and the rest of your followers....

[94GRAD]

You're wrong. I read it on another thread here the other day, and I'm going to act like I knew it all along.


"The council also voted that players will be allowed to enter or remove their names from the NBA draft multiple times without jeopardizing their eligibility and also will be allowed to participate in the NBA draft combine and one NBA team tryout per year.

The current rule stated that players were only allowed to declare for the NBA draft once while maintaining their college eligibility.

NCAA spokesman David Worlock confirmed the changes to ESPN."

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14564613/date-nba-draft-commitment-pushed-may

Thanks guys

[AviatorX]

You guys make it sound like all these players have to do is go to an open gym. This isn't the basketball equivalent of a career fair.

No, but if you just went off on an awesome individual NCAA tournament run and want to play in the NBA, with the way the current rules are structured it would be impossible stupid not to do it.

[AviatorX]

Check me if I'm wrong, but can't you only declare one time and withdraw your name?


James Blackmon currently on his 3rd time. Maybe the first to hold that honor under the new rules.

[SemajParlor]

pssstt. whos going to let everyone know that Blueitt posted a farewell Instagram post just like Sumner did the night the game was over.

Good luck Tre

[AviatorX]

I'm kind of stunned anyone's been surprised by any moves from Sumner or Blueitt so far. This seems to all be very predictable. People should probably be more reliant on their own heads than the sites created to make money.

The pay sites have been more adamant than anyone since like September that both guys were expected to go pro.

[stammina0721]

This is not a smart move in his part... it is the ONLY move on his part. He has to do this. Get updated advice on his stock then make the best decision for him. I am glad that overseas does not seem to be in play here.

[Juice]

This is not a smart move in his part... it is the ONLY move on his part. He has to do this. Get updated advice on his stock then make the best decision for him. I am glad that overseas does not seem to be in play here.

Why do you say that?

[GIMMFD]

Why do you say that?

Agreed, I feel like he's just weighing every single option possible. Means absolutely nothing that he's hiring an agent except for that we have a chance to get him back. That's it. He could very well still play overseas, or kill his workouts and get drafted in the first round.

[Juice]

Agreed, I feel like he's just weighing every single option possible. Means absolutely nothing that he's hiring an agent except for that we have a chance to get him back. That's it. He could very well still play overseas, or kill his workouts and get drafted in the first round.

I think there are two options with one option having an A and a B part.

Option 1) He comes back
Option 2a) He enters the draft, gets drafted and plays for that team or their D League affiliate or 2b) He doesn't get drafted and goes to Europe.

I don't think this is that confusing.

[stammina0721]

Why do you say that?

Cause why would a kid his age settle for Europe when he can still get the NBA with an offseason dedicated to footspeed and agility training? This isn't like Jalen last year. Jalen didn't come back cause he was going to be in his mid 20's. He had to start earning. Trevon can improve and move up at X and be seen by way more scouts here than in Europe. If he doesn't hire this year and withdrawals his name he will be back. Europe is a last resort. The only way he ends up there is if he hires an agent then goes undrafted. I don't think he takes that chance. For him it's NBA or X. He will only hire an agent if he is sure he will be picked. Just my opinion though.

[birdman71]

I am encouraged that he is not doing this with an agent. This may be a wise and mature approach without any real downside for him and some [slight] for us. If he sees his stock has risen and leaves for big bucks, I can't criticize him. Selfishly, I'd rather he stayed, but those of us who have been in the locker room know how we showcase X players who have made it to the NBA. The primary purpose of that is to lure recruits. If he comes back, he will be even better from his summer experience.

[Juice]

Cause why would a kid his age settle for Europe when he can still get the NBA with an offseason dedicated to footspeed and agility training? This isn't like Jalen last year. Jalen didn't come back cause he was going to be in his mid 20's. He had to start earning. Trevon can improve and move up at X and be seen by way more scouts here than in Europe. If he doesn't hire this year and withdrawals his name he will be back. Europe is a last resort. The only way he ends up there is if he hires an agent then goes undrafted. I don't think he takes that chance. For him it's NBA or X. He will only hire an agent if he is sure he will be picked. Just my opinion though.

Oh Jesus...

[Caf]

Cause why would a kid his age settle for Europe when he can still get the NBA with an offseason dedicated to footspeed and agility training? This isn't like Jalen last year. Jalen didn't come back cause he was going to be in his mid 20's. He had to start earning. Trevon can improve and move up at X and be seen by way more scouts here than in Europe. If he doesn't hire this year and withdrawals his name he will be back. Europe is a last resort. The only way he ends up there is if he hires an agent then goes undrafted. I don't think he takes that chance. For him it's NBA or X. He will only hire an agent if he is sure he will be picked. Just my opinion though.

Because he can make money now and gains in "footspeed and agility" are far from guaranteed. Tre is also only 1 year younger than Jalen was last year.

[stammina0721]

Because he can make money now and gains in "footspeed and agility" are far from guaranteed. Tre is also only 1 year younger than Jalen was last year.

That's fine I just don't agree. It is just my opinion that he would get more exposure and play against better competition in America as opposed to going overseas. Obviously some college players who go overseas to play come back and play in the NBA, however that number is very small. For the most part, guys who go there to play know they have no shot at the league. They will earn but have to accept they will not play on an NBA court (with some exceptions). I don't think Tre is willing to say that yet hence why I say it's not in play at this time

[stammina0721]

Because he can make money now and gains in "footspeed and agility" are far from guaranteed. Tre is also only 1 year younger than Jalen was last year.

Trust me the programs are out there. I know from personal experience and took me to levels of athleticism I didn't know even existed back in my younger years

[stammina0721]

But don't get me wrong. I think there is about a 70% chance he stays in the draft. If he feels another year at X won't improve his stock much then he will hire an agent and I would agree with him. Make that moo lah

[Juice]

Trust me the programs are out there. I know from personal experience and took me to levels of athleticism I didn't know even existed back in my younger years

He's been at XU for three years with top notch basketball coaches and strength and conditioning coaches. What the hell do you think he's been working on?

[Lloyd Braun]

Trust me the programs are out there. I know from personal experience and took me to levels of athleticism I didn't know even existed back in my younger years

I did one of these programs too and my vertical went from 28" to 44".

[stammina0721]

He's been at XU for three years with top notch basketball coaches and strength and conditioning coaches. What the hell do you think he's been working on?

Speed and agility is a different ball game. With the program I chose I saw a 110% increase in agility and foot speed and my 40 time went from a slow 5.2 to a 4.68 in one summer.

[stammina0721]

I'd say the past three years he dropped body fat which is documented. Now that he is lean he can take this summer to increase his agility

[Juice]

I'd say the past three years he dropped body fat which is documented. Now that he is lean he can take this summer to increase his agility

And why can't he do these things with a professional team? You are aware that people don't have to be in college to improve their game, speed, agility, etc.?

[XUFan09]

An underlying premise you're making is that he gets more exposure here than he gets in Europe. In recent years, NBA teams have invested a lot of money in scouting abroad, rendering that premise false. Also, Trevon may have lost weight, but considering the amount of work he's already put into his body working with professionals, he's not going to make big jumps in that regard in just one summer or one year. Any further development in this regard will be incremental and will take years to *maybe* become something significant. It is also development that, if possible, would occur faster if he's just focusing on basketball.

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[xu82]

An underlying premise you're making is that he gets more exposure here than he gets in Europe. In recent years, NBA teams have invested a lot of money in scouting abroad, rendering that premise false. Also, Trevon may have lost weight, but considering the amount of work he's already put into his body working with professionals, he's not going to make big jumps in that regard in just one summer or one year. Any further development in this regard will be incremental and will take years to *maybe* become something significant. It is also development that, if possible, would occur faster if he's just focusing on basketball.

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So, you don't think 3 more credit hours in Theology will help his lateral mobility? That borders on heresy!

[GIMMFD]

So, you don't think 3 more credit hours in Theology will help his lateral mobility? That borders on heresy!

Xavier Basketball Philosophy 300 Class: "I think I'm faster, therefore I am faster." - Rene Descartes

[bobbiemcgee]

So, you don't think 3 more credit hours in Theology will help his lateral mobility?

Hey 82, how's that lateral mobility in Atl nowadays lol

[xu82]

Hey 82, how's that lateral mobility in Atl nowadays lol

For some people.....there is NO mobility! Fortunately we are at 10-11:00 on the perimeter and far away from that mess. My son's apartment and his midtown job are separated by a significant OOPS! (Reporting tonight a guy smoking crack under a bridge set his chair on fire. Lovely!)

[bobbiemcgee]

Damn. I'll have to rent a chopper to visit the grandkids.

[xu82]

Damn. I'll have to rent a chopper to visit the grandkids.

Only for a few...... years.

They will get on this asap. There is an overpass near my house that has been under re-construction for almost 2 years. ALL resources were moved to get the roads ready around the Braves new stadium (about 3 miles in the OTHER direction from me) to avoid public outrage. The stadium deal happened fast and got all the attention. I'm told it's another 18 months to finish the re-construction because nobody ever works there more than a day a week. THIS fiasco will probably set us back another 6 months.

[Snipe]

If Trevon comes back he will get top billing on a Top 10 team. He will walk into the Xavier Hall of Fame. It could be an incredible year.

If he is going to be a first round pick with a guaranteed contract he should go, but I just don't see it.

I think he should come back and make the most of the Xavier experience. We have plenty of people that have gone pro, but I can't remember one who ever thought they stayed too long. That includes NCAA Player of the Year and NBA All Star David West. If Tre stays next year he will be a Naismith Candidate, just like he was this year. And he will be in the David West range.

I think it would be great for him to stay.

[Caf]

Speed and agility is a different ball game. With the program I chose I saw a 110% increase in agility and foot speed and my 40 time went from a slow 5.2 to a 4.68 in one summer.

Are you trying to sell me something?

[GIMMFD]

Are you trying to sell me something?

I got a half-used chapstick I'll sell you for $1. Burts Bee... that good good.

[stammina0721]

Are you trying to sell me something?

No that is why I didn't post the name. No free advertising from me lol

[stammina0721]

And why can't he do these things with a professional team? You are aware that people don't have to be in college to improve their game, speed, agility, etc.?

Yes I think he will get more exposure here. If he thinks he can get into the first round this year then go. If he thinks he can get into the first round next year then stay. Yes, the NBA has scouts and money overseas but there is still more exposure here. Here he plays on national tv every game and is just a quick car drive or quick flight away for any scout or GM plus he would play against other NBA caliber talent in college where that may not be the case in Europe. We all know the European game is different from the NBA. If Tre thinks he is an NBA talent then it would better prepare him to play here as opposed to there

[XUFan09]

The European game is a bit different from the NBA, but so is the college game. In addition, the competition is much better in Europe than in college.

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[waggy]

I think it's a huge stretch to say that Europe is the preferred route to the NBA. Just off the top, European teams aren't in the business of grooming NBA talent.

[Juice]

Yes I think he will get more exposure here. If he thinks he can get into the first round this year then go. If he thinks he can get into the first round next year then stay. Yes, the NBA has scouts and money overseas but there is still more exposure here. Here he plays on national tv every game and is just a quick car drive or quick flight away for any scout or GM plus he would play against other NBA caliber talent in college where that may not be the case in Europe. We all know the European game is different from the NBA. If Tre thinks he is an NBA talent then it would better prepare him to play here as opposed to there

Exposure? He's going to be a senior and has played in a few NCAA tournaments. Scouts/Teams know who the hell he is.

You think college players are better than pros in Europe?

[paulxu]

I don't get the discounting of European basketball as something of a "failure" because you don't make the NBA.

The NBA represents the tip of a giant pyramid of world-wide basketball talent. At least a 1/4, if not more, of the draft comes from outside the US now.
Thousands of kids play college ball. Only a tiny fraction of them will ever play in the NBA.
It's like saying every year there are thousands of MBA's who would like to work at Goldman Sachs, but only a handful will be hired.
Do the rest stay in school longer...or go to work for another bank/investment firm, etc.

Players who go to Europe get paid very well, often like some XU players they make millions.
And have the great benefit of experiencing new lands, cultures, peoples, etc.
It's a no-brainer to take that chance if you can get it. Good money, broadened horizons, doing things we put out big bucks for vacations to see and do.

[waggy]

"Often" they make millions? I guess that depends on your definition of often.

[fellahmuskie]

I think it's a huge stretch to say that Europe is the preferred route to the NBA. Just off the top, European teams aren't in the business of grooming NBA talent.

Not exactly grooming, but it looks good for a European club if former players get deals in the NBA. Makes it easier for them to sign fresh talent, kinda like colleges showing they have a track record of getting people to the NBA.

[waggy]

Bullshit. No one cares. It's all a meatgrinder. NO ONE goes to Europe to get in the NBA. Players in Europe don't OFTEN make millions. More bullshit. Internet jockeys living in make believe land. Sitting on their collective asses with a computer and internet..

[Juice]

Bullshit. No one cares. It's all a meatgrinder. NO ONE goes to Europe to get in the NBA. Players in Europe don't OFTEN make millions. More bullshit. Internet jockeys living in make believe land. Sitting on their collective asses with a computer and internet..

Derrick Brown and Justin Doellman are both making over a million dollars this year. Romain Sato was making over a million.

Brown = 1.7 million
Doellman = 1.8 million

[Xavier]

At the same time, I saw those were the two highest paid Americans in Europe bball. The best of the best (from America). Still, certainly have the ability to have a good enough career in Europe to retire after.

[AviatorX]

Bullshit. No one cares. It's all a meatgrinder. NO ONE goes to Europe to get in the NBA. Players in Europe don't OFTEN make millions. More bullshit. Internet jockeys living in make believe land. Sitting on their collective asses with a computer and internet..

You're really presenting a lot of compelling evidence here.

The underlying truth here is that nothing Trevon does his senior year is likely to improve his draft stock at all. There are intangibles to coming back and going out a true legend, but from a pure draft stock standpoint, there are very few examples of guys being where Trevon is, playing their senior year in college, and moving into the first round. Doesn't matter what definition of often you wanna use, that doesn't happen often. How many seniors are drafted in the first round period these days? 4 last year. I guess one could compare Trevon to Denzel Valentine or Buddy Hield.

It's not really a question of where is better for his NBA stock -- Europe or college. It's more "if I'm never gonna have "X" kind of stock, why wait to start getting paid?

[waggy]

At the same time, I saw those were the two highest paid Americans in Europe bball. The best of the best (from America). Still, certainly have the ability to have a good enough career in Europe to retire after.


All true. I just don't think players that are borderline should be pushed off to Europe because the geniuses on this board think it's the "smart" thing to do. If I were Trevon I wouldn't be in a big hurry to go to Europe.

[waggy]

It's not really a question of where is better for his NBA stock -- Europe or college. It's more "if I'm never gonna have "X" kind of stock, why wait to start getting paid?


I'm sure Trevon can live his life the way he wants, and make decisions for himself. I'm mean really, someone needs to take your computer away.

[AviatorX]

I'm sure Trevon can live his life the way he wants, and make decisions for himself. I'm mean really, someone needs to take your computer away.

No shit. Where in the world did I say I should be making decisions for Trevon?

You actually come way closer to doing that than I ever have when you posted (literally 10 mins ago) "If I were Trevon I wouldn't be in a big hurry to go to Europe."

I guess we should shut the message board down. I mean we have game threads where people suggest lineups, defensive switches, etc., but can't Chris Mack make his own decisions?

No one is pushing Trevon one way or the other on here. You are being willfully ignorant if you think that. People are simply speculating based on what it seems the decision on hand is here. I assumed we didn't need to start every post with that disclaimer.

Maybe you shouldn't read this thread if you're going to get this upset.

[waggy]

No shit. Where in the world did I say I should be making decisions for Trevon? I guess we should shut the message board down. I mean we have game threads where people suggest lineups, defensive switches, etc., but can't Chris Mack make his own decisions?

No one is pushing Trevon one way or the other on here. You are being willfully ignorant if you think that. People are simply speculating based on what it seems the decision on hand is here. I assumed we didn't need to start every post with that disclaimer.

Maybe you shouldn't read this thread if you're going to get this upset.


No everyone has to constantly read how Europe is the smart play. "It is what is" for every player. No one can improve their stock in college. That shit is posted ad nauseum on this board.

Well I believe if Trevon doesn't like his draft projection he should come back to X because I believe he has a real chance of improving his stock vs going to Europe. Too bad no one's allowed to post that around here.

[LA Muskie]

Bullshit. No one cares. It's all a meatgrinder. NO ONE goes to Europe to get in the NBA. Players in Europe don't OFTEN make millions. More bullshit. Internet jockeys living in make believe land. Sitting on their collective asses with a computer and internet..
Public reps because I can't privately rep you. 100% correct. Especially the emphasized portion.

[LA Muskie]

The underlying truth here is that nothing Trevon does his senior year is likely to improve his draft stock at all.
This is simply not true. The degree to which he can improve his stock arguably may be limited, and losing the year of gainful employment very well may not be worth the possibility of some incremental improvement. But the notion that he can't possibly improve his draft stock is false and preposterous.

[AviatorX]

No everyone has to constantly read how Europe is the smart play. "It is what is" for every player. No one can improve their stock in college. That shit is posted ad nauseum on this board.

Well I believe if Trevon doesn't like his draft projection he should come back to X because I believe he has a real chance of improving his stock vs going to Europe. Too bad no one's allowed to post that around here.

I think that's a perfectly valid opinion. It's right at the heart of the discussion and in my opinion will continue to be an interesting debate going forward as X hopefully keeps landing recruits just below the level of UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc. that are very highly ranked but because of one weakness or another, aren't locks for the NBA. I'm sure we're going to be having this same debate about Paul Scruggs in a few years, debating whether another year could improve his shot, etc.

I know I'm not going to convince you, but I think it's especially a tough call in Trevon's case because of the nature of his perceived weakness. To be clear, I don't think Trevon can go wrong here. I doubt he'd look back in 20 years and regret the senior season he could have at X, but I also don't think he'd feel like he missed out greatly if he got a jump on his pro career.

All I know for a fact is the dude scored over 1500 points in 3 years at X, dropped 40 on UC, hit some huge shots on an awesome post season run, and seems like a great guy from the small look we all get into the players' lives. Everyone on here supports him no matter what.

[LA Muskie]

It's not really a question of where is better for his NBA stock -- Europe or college. It's more "if I'm never gonna have "X" kind of stock, why wait to start getting paid?

Like Waggy said, almost no one STARTS in Europe because they think it's the best path to the NBA. In nearly every instance, Europe is the fall-back option. Both staying in school or suiting up in the D-League are both far better options for American players aspiring to play in the NBA.

[waggy]

The underlying truth here is that nothing Trevon does his senior year is likely to improve his draft stock at all.


Hahaha. There it is. Please just stop. What if you're wrong Mr. NBA exec? Am I supposed to just take what you post as gospel?

[paulxu]

So...someone plays in Europe because he crafted a talent over years of hard work and makes $500,000 for 5 years, and somehow he made a mistake? Bullshit.

[AviatorX]

This is simply not true. The degree to which he can improve his stock arguably may be limited, and losing the year of gainful employment very well may not be worth the possibility of some incremental improvement. But the notion that he can't possibly improve his draft stock is false and preposterous.

I mean...I didn't say it isn't possible. I said nothing he does is likely to improve his stock. Maybe "at all" was a bit extreme, but I think you understood the relatively non-controversial point I was making.

[waggy]

So...someone plays in Europe because he crafted a talent over years of hard work and makes $500,000 for 5 years, and somehow he made a mistake? Bullshit.

No one said any of this Paul. But Europe isn't the preferred destination. The NBA is the show.

[paulxu]

The tip of the pyramid is VERY small, and grows smaller every year with foreign players coming to it.

[LA Muskie]

I know I'm not going to convince you, but I think it's especially a tough call in Trevon's case because of the nature of his perceived weakness.
I think this is probably true. First impressions are often hard to break. Especially for those who, in the words of Chris Webber, have "old man game." Because the NBA isn't exactly an "old man's" league.

[AviatorX]

I think this is probably true. First impressions are often hard to break. Especially for those who, in the words of Chris Webber, have "old man game." Because the NBA isn't exactly an "old man's" league.

Well if you take Webber at face value, 8/10 starters in XU-Zona had old man game haha.

[LA Muskie]

I mean...I didn't say it isn't possible. I said nothing he does is likely to improve his stock. Maybe "at all" was a bit extreme, but I think you understood the relatively non-controversial point I was making.

You know, I read it wrong the first time. I missed the "likely." I think he can build off his tournament performance, have a Josh Hart year, and possibly push himself into the first round. Is that "likely"? Honestly I have no clue...

[AviatorX]

Hahaha. There it is. Please just stop. What if you're wrong Mr. NBA exec? Am I supposed to just take what you post as gospel?

I think you're struggling with the word "likely." Not surprising considering the source. I think I've made my point pretty clear on this. Not gonna go back and forth with you.

[AviatorX]

You know, I read it wrong the first time. I missed the "likely." I think he can build off his tournament performance, have a Josh Hart year, and possibly push himself into the first round. Is that "likely"? Honestly I have no clue...

I'm in total agreement with you. It's such a tough call for Trevon because he doesn't have anything super concrete he can improve (as opposed to if he needed to put a good 3 pt shooting year on paper), but there are a lot of intangibles that can probably(?)/maybe(?) (I honestly don't know) add up.

Like you, I'm confident that if Tre comes back he will have an awesome year and be in the national spotlight. Is that enough of a difference maker? I can't say, because as Waggy so eloquently pointed out, I am not an NBA executive.

[waggy]

I think you're struggling with the word "likely." Not surprising considering the source. I think I've made my point pretty clear on this. Not gonna go back and forth with you.


So returning to X is a bad move for Trevon, right?

[AviatorX]

I know I'm not going to convince you, but I think it's especially a tough call in Trevon's case because of the nature of his perceived weakness. To be clear, I don't think Trevon can go wrong here. I doubt he'd look back in 20 years and regret the senior season he could have at X, but I also don't think he'd feel like he missed out greatly if he got a jump on his pro career.



So returning to X is a bad move for Trevon, right?

You tell me what I think based on the above. If you're going to try to pick my posts apart line by line, at least read them. You're the only poster I've seen characterize either choice as "good" or "bad."

Trevon is an elite basketball player and has an extremely lucrative future ahead of him either way. The guy can't lose.

[waggy]

You tell me what I think based on the above. If you're going to try to pick my posts apart line by line, at least read them. You're the only poster I've seen characterize either choice as "good" or "bad."

Trevon is an elite basketball player and has an extremely lucrative future ahead of him either way. The guy can't lose.


Fair enough. But if he goes to Europe he's going to have to sign a contract. It's a real commitment. Crossing back over isn't likely.

[AviatorX]

Fair enough. But if he goes to Europe he's going to have to sign a contract. It's a real commitment. Crossing back over isn't likely.

For what it's worth, I think overall you have a point in a way. Not sure if it is because I am more focused on XU or what, but based on other corners of the Internet when guys like Reynolds/Sumner (although his situation is unique)/Trevon declare, I think the X online fan base might be more accepting of the "might as well start getting paid" mindset because it is becoming more common in the program. Not sure if there's anything to that.

[waggy]

For what it's worth, I think overall you have a point in a way. Not sure if it is because I am more focused on XU or what, but based on other corners of the Internet when guys like Reynolds/Sumner (although his situation is unique)/Trevon declare, I think the X online fan base might be more accepting of the "might as well start getting paid" mindset because it is becoming more common in the program. Not sure if there's anything to that.

It sure is curious that all these other programs keep their NBA talent, but X's all have to be rushed out the door.

[Backyard Champ]

So returning to X is a bad move for Trevon, right?

I'm not sure if it's a bad move or not, I'm just not sure it's worth the risk.

[D-West & PO-Z]

have a Josh Hart year, and possibly push himself into the first round. Is that "likely"? Honestly I have no clue...

Not sure if you meant is the Josh Hart year likely or if having the Josh Hart year is likely to push him into the first round. I would say Trevon is able to have close to the Josh Hart type year (maybe minus the defense) but that even so it isnt likely to push him into the first round. For reference see Josh Hart himself who isnt likely to be a 1st round pick this year.

[Lloyd Braun]

So returning to X is a bad move for Trevon, right?

I will go on record saying that if he returns he is costing himself some money. He will be 23 years old this year. And 23 and a half years old at next years NBA draft. Same as Jalen. Same as Semaj... How many 23 year olds get drafted in the first round?

If he returns I will be surprised. This isn't a difficult decision IMO unless school records and accolades are high priority for him.

[Lloyd Braun]

It sure is curious that all these other programs keep their NBA talent, but X's all have to be rushed out the door.

Rushed out the door at the age of 22??

[D-West & PO-Z]

Unless he just loves playing at Duke that much Grayson Allen has to be kicking himself for not leaving earlier. Kid cost himself millions.

Not that that relates to Tre in anyway, just an unrelated statement.

[Ohionite_X]

Unless he just loves playing at Duke that much Grayson Allen has to be kicking himself for not leaving earlier. Kid cost himself millions.

Not that that relates to Tre in anyway, just an unrelated statement.

Same can be said about Melo Trimble..

[xu82]

Unless he just loves playing at Duke that much Grayson Allen has to be kicking himself for not leaving earlier. Kid cost himself millions.

Not that that relates to Tre in anyway, just an unrelated statement.

So, that seems fair. If he's going to kick and trip everyone else in sight, he deserves some himself!

What a dope. The trips and even more so the meltdowns make me wonder if he's all there.

[waggy]

I will go on record saying that if he returns he is costing himself some money. He will be 23 years old this year. And 23 and a half years old at next years NBA draft. Same as Jalen. Same as Semaj... How many 23 year olds get drafted in the first round?

If he returns I will be surprised. This isn't a difficult decision IMO unless school records and accolades are high priority for him.


Rushed out the door at the age of 22??


Players can and often do get better as they get older. But I guess in your world Trevon has already hit his ceiling.

[Lloyd Braun]

Players can and often do get better as they get older. But I guess in your world Trevon has already hit his ceiling.

He will get better. But he would get better faster if he is spending all his time playing basketball as opposed to attending classes, etc.

And again, NBA teams do not draft 23.5 year olds in the first round often at all. This is not my opinion this is fact.

[MADXSTER]

He will get better. But he would get better faster if he is spending all his time playing basketball as opposed to attending classes, etc.

But then wouldn't everyone.

It does however seem that the recent culture at Xavier is that if you stay for your senior year then you must be a failure. Not sure if that culture of thought is at other schools or not. Those who say leave and get paid seem to forget the opportunity cost of just enjoying life as a college student. These are the years you'll remember for the rest of your life and you'll never get them back. Kinda like spending time with your kids or working more crazy hours to make more money. You choose what's most important to you.

For me I would tell my kid to follow his heart. The NBA and Europe will still be there in another year. Once you go into the workforce you never go back. At least for 99% of us.

[paulxu]

For reference sake, last year the NBA drafted

15 seniors
29 underclassmen
16 foreign players

[waggy]

He will get better. But he would get better faster if he is spending all his time playing basketball as opposed to attending classes, etc.

And again, NBA teams do not draft 23.5 year olds in the first round often at all. This is not my opinion this is fact.

Playing in Europe is a commitment. They don't just hand you hundreds of thousands of dollars unless they get something in return.

Where do we find the age of players drafted?

[Lloyd Braun]

Playing in Europe is a commitment. They don't just hand you hundreds of thousands of dollars unless they get something in return.

Where do we find the age of players drafted?

I used this site (http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/search) to find how many 23 year olds are drafted in the first round. It's trending down for sure.

[waggy]

Regardless of age trends I think it would be in Trevons best interest to attempt to improve his draft stock at X versus going to Europe, if he's not projected to go 1st round this year.

[Xavier]

At least for me I don't think he could play his was to a first round pick next season. Its pretty simple, if Tre likes college and X then he should enjoy one more year then possibly get drafted 2nd round and hope to stick with a team or leave now and hope to get drafted in 2nd round and hope to stick with a team. Personally, I don't think he's an NBA player but will make enough in Europe he can retire from. After seeing Ed go down, it makes the decision that much more difficult.

[Backyard Champ]

Regardless of age trends I think it would be in Trevons best interest to attempt to improve his draft stock at X versus going to Europe, if he's not projected to go 1st round this year.

Why do you think that? I think that if he isn't going to get drafted in the first round this year, it will take a whole heck of a lot for him to get drafted next year in the first round. Perosnally, I think the NBA is a real long shot for Tre. If that's the information he's getting, he should go play in Europe now.

As a follow up, do you watch much NBA currently?

[muskienick]

Screw you all. I would love for Tre to return to the Muskies next year, lead them to the Final Four and maybe a slot in the national championship game, and gain the respect of NBA draft mavens enough to earn a spot among the first 30 drafted and a guaranteed contract. Tre will be far more "ready" than Semaj, and he has improved greatly over the span of his first 3 years at XU. Why would anyone doubt that he would not improve even more during a 4th year as a Muskie? He would earn his degree, impress those even more as a first-round draft worthy player, have a chance to take the Muskies to their highest level of success in its basketball history, and easily earn his way into the Xavier Hall of Fame.

[GIMMFD]

Screw you all. I would love for Tre to return to the Muskies next year, lead them to the Final Four and maybe a slot in the national championship game, and gain the respect of NBA draft mavens enough to earn a spot among the first 30 drafted and a guaranteed contract. Tre will be far more "ready" than Semaj, and he has improved greatly over the span of his first 3 years at XU. Why would anyone doubt that he would not improve even more during a 4th year as a Muskie? He would earn his degree, impress those even more as a first-round draft worthy player, have a chance to take the Muskies to their highest level of success in its basketball history, and easily earn his way into the Xavier Hall of Fame.

Well yeah, that's not really up for discussion, Tre would likely be 2nd on the all-time X scoring list, and have his jersey retired with the same production as he puts up this year. He's already cemented a great Xavier legacy, I have nothing but respect and love for him. However, it's what he finds is most important in his life. We can't be selfish, it's his and his family's decision, and what's best for them. I'm sure everyone on this board would take him back in a heartbeat.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why do you think that? I think that if he isn't going to get drafted in the first round this year, it will take a whole heck of a lot for him to get drafted next year in the first round. Perosnally, I think the NBA is a real long shot for Tre. If that's the information he's getting, he should go play in Europe now.

As a follow up, do you watch much NBA currently?

Yeah if the feedback he gets this year is that he isnt really an NBA player then going to Europe wouldnt be a bad thing. He is clearly interested in starting his career as a professional basketball player. That career is probably more than likely not in the NBA (as is the same for most players). So if he is interested in starting his basketball career and he gets feedback that his isnt an NBA player, then why would anyone look at it as a negative if he left this year and went to Europe? He wouldnt be going to try to get in the NBA, he would be going to start his career and start making six figures.

Now he might decide he only wants to leave early if he can start his career in the NBA and if he doesnt get good feedback he wants to come back to X and he is ok trying to see if he can do anything to improve his stock or he is just ok delaying his overseas career another year in order to try and do something really special at X.

If he enters the draft and doesnt get drafted and ends up overseas or does get drafted but doesnt make the team it doesnt mean it was a bad decision as long as he got all the info and knew the possibilities and was ok with them. If he wants to go start his career regardless of where it will be then he will go and that is ok and his decision.

Obviously, selfishly, I hope he decides to come back and obtain legend status at X.

[XfansinKy]

I miss the good ol' days when often a player could come back his senior year, have a great season, and improve his draft stock drastically. I remember when leaving early was called "hardship" or something like that. Will it ever be like that again?

[Juice]

I miss the good ol' days when often a player could come back his senior year, have a great season, and improve his draft stock drastically. I remember when leaving early was called "hardship" or something like that. Will it ever be like that again?

No and why are those the good old days?

[XUGRAD80]

I miss the good ol' days when often a player could come back his senior year, have a great season, and improve his draft stock drastically. I remember when leaving early was called "hardship" or something like that. Will it ever be like that again?


Nope. I don't see it either going back to the way it was, or changing to allow HS players to go directly to the NBA. A year of college exposure for a player only makes them more of a marketable commodity and helps to raise fan interest. The NBA in essence is using the college system to raise fan interest in its performers, but, by not restricting them from joining the circus until after their senior year, are able to get 3-4 more years use of them to pad their revenue stream.

[GIMMFD]

Nope. I don't see it either going back to the way it was, or changing to allow HS players to go directly to the NBA. A year of college exposure for a player only makes them more of a marketable commodity and helps to raise fan interest. The NBA in essence is using the college system to raise fan interest in its performers, but, by not restricting them from joining the circus until after their senior year, are able to get 3-4 more years use of them to pad their revenue stream.

Agreed, too much publicity comes, and god they cream over the thought of a one-and-done having a Kemba like tournament. It's just too easy a way for not only the NBA, but shoe companies, other sponsors, etc. to help a player grow. How many of us that don't really follow national recruiting knew that Markelle Fultz was Markelle Fultz, and now how many of us know that?

[X-band '01]

I miss the good ol' days when often a player could come back his senior year, have a great season, and improve his draft stock drastically. I remember when leaving early was called "hardship" or something like that. Will it ever be like that again?

Players weren't making nearly as much money in their rookie seasons back then as they are now.

[AviatorX]

Agreed, too much publicity comes, and god they cream over the thought of a one-and-done having a Kemba like tournament. It's just too easy a way for not only the NBA, but shoe companies, other sponsors, etc. to help a player grow. How many of us that don't really follow national recruiting knew that Markelle Fultz was Markelle Fultz, and now how many of us know that?

Lol, and you could argue he's not even a good example with his relative lack of exposure. No doubt it's a great setup for the NBA.

[bleedXblue]

At least for me I don't think he could play his was to a first round pick next season. Its pretty simple, if Tre likes college and X then he should enjoy one more year then possibly get drafted 2nd round and hope to stick with a team or leave now and hope to get drafted in 2nd round and hope to stick with a team. Personally, I don't think he's an NBA player but will make enough in Europe he can retire from. After seeing Ed go down, it makes the decision that much more difficult.

This is it EXACTLY. Tre isn't going to move up into a 1st round pick if he stays at X another year. It's whether or not he wants to be a college player for another year, compete for a Big East title and possibly be the leagues POY. Europe is going to be there this year or next year if the NBA thing doesn't pan out.

[xuwin]

You're really presenting a lot of compelling evidence here.

The underlying truth here is that nothing Trevon does his senior year is likely to improve his draft stock at all. There are intangibles to coming back and going out a true legend, but from a pure draft stock standpoint, there are very few examples of guys being where Trevon is, playing their senior year in college, and moving into the first round. Doesn't matter what definition of often you wanna use, that doesn't happen often. How many seniors are drafted in the first round period these days? 4 last year. I guess one could compare Trevon to Denzel Valentine or Buddy Hield.

It's not really a question of where is better for his NBA stock -- Europe or college. It's more "if I'm never gonna have "X" kind of stock, why wait to start getting paid?

I think there are a lot of similarities between Trevon and Buddy Hield in size and abilities. If Tre can come back and make the same strides that he did between his sophomore and junior years and prove himself as an adequate ball handler and a prolific scorer he can help his NBA stock.

[SemajParlor]

No knock, just my opinion. I don't see a Blueitt and Buddy Hield comparison at all.

[Lloyd Braun]

Didn't Buddy shoot over 50% from 3 his senior year?

Edit: I looked it up and it was 46%.

[SemajParlor]

Looks like 46%. Other than them both being great shooters, that's where the comparison end for me. They don't even really play the same position / style. Just think it's a strange comp. Blueitt reminds me of a Jared Dudley / less athletic Arron Afflalo player.

He's a world class shooter, but personally I feel he's underrated in how he uses his body to score. He's not nearly as talented, but his style of scoring is sometimes reminiscent of a Carmelo Anthony. For the record, I'm not suggesting they are close to the same level, but you can tell Tre has studied his game for years.

[markchal]

Why do you think that? I think that if he isn't going to get drafted in the first round this year, it will take a whole heck of a lot for him to get drafted next year in the first round. Perosnally, I think the NBA is a real long shot for Tre. If that's the information he's getting, he should go play in Europe now.

As a follow up, do you watch much NBA currently?

There's no way he watches any NBA. Either that, or he's clearly talking about what's in his favorite program's best interest, and not Trevon's best interest. I agree with the others that are saying if he wants to come back, it's because he wants to have another year at X and get his degree, not because it's the best plan for his professional career.

[LA Muskie]

No and why are those the good old days?
Well, probably because they were good for college basketball.

[LA Muskie]

This is it EXACTLY. Tre isn't going to move up into a 1st round pick if he stays at X another year. It's whether or not he wants to be a college player for another year, compete for a Big East title and possibly be the leagues POY. Europe is going to be there this year or next year if the NBA thing doesn't pan out.

I disagree that Tre can't play his way into the 1st round. I don't think it necessarily would be easy, but I absolutely think it's in the realm of possibilities.

[xu82]

How does this year's NBA draft class compare to next year? I know the NFL is deep in DB's this year and looks better at QB next year. I don't follow the NBA draft as closely. Any idea how the two classes compare? Or is that too difficult because there are more unknowns?

[Ohionite_X]

How does this year's NBA draft class compare to next year? I know the NFL is deep in DB's this year and looks better at QB next year. I don't follow the NBA draft as closely. Any idea how the two classes compare? Or is that too difficult because there are more unknowns?

This draft is stacked on guard talent, especially PG. The general consensus is that next season's freshman class lacks the depth and star power that we've seen from other recent freshman classes but hard to tell until the season starts.

[xufan2434]

How does this year's NBA draft class compare to next year? I know the NFL is deep in DB's this year and looks better at QB next year. I don't follow the NBA draft as closely. Any idea how the two classes compare? Or is that too difficult because there are more unknowns?

Next years class is loaded with big men. They have their share of guards for sure, but the big guys will be the headliners. It's also not nearly as deep of an overall class as the one now. Honestly with the projections they have for this year, a guy like Allonzo Trier is projected mid 2nd round this year, and could definitely be a 1st round pick next year.

I'm not an NBA Scout but IMO if Tre continues to find more ways to score and make up for his lack of quickness like he did in the Tournament, then he could improve his stock. Yes, teams like younger guys better. But as mentioned before, 4 year guys have improved and gotten drafted. Hell there's a couple of them projected over Tre this year right now. It just all depends on time and place.

[Drew]

I believe there were 13 international players drafted in the 1st round last year. Mainly because they don't have to be paid and can just be stashed away in Europe. NBPA needs to remove this loophole.

[LA Muskie]

I believe there were 13 international players drafted in the 1st round last year. Mainly because they don't have to be paid and can just be stashed away in Europe. NBPA needs to remove this loophole.

Why?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Does anyone think Trevon could be better than Josh Hart was this past year? Maybe pure scoring average but I dont think he could be defensively as good. And Hart shot a ridiculous %. Tre is a better long range shooter probably though not by % last year.

Hart is projected early to mid 2nd round. So maybe if the draft is less deep especially in the G/F position Tre could work his way into first round but otherwise I think even with better numbers it would be hard. Unless his shooting % goes way up too perhaps. Obviously not impossible just not likely imo. Doesn't mean I think he should go pro but I also dont think it would be a huge mistake if he decides he is ready to start his pro career.

[LA Muskie]

Does anyone think Trevon could be better than Josh Hart was this past year? Maybe pure scoring average but I dont think he could be defensively as good. And Hart shot a ridiculous %. Tre is a better long range shooter probably though not by % last year.

Hart is projected early to mid 2nd round. So maybe if the draft is less deep especially in the G/F position Tre could work his way into first round but otherwise I think even with better numbers it would be hard. Unless his shooting % goes way up too perhaps. Obviously not impossible just not likely imo. Doesn't mean I think he should go pro but I also dont think it would be a huge mistake if he decides he is ready to start his pro career.
I think this is right. Definitely a wobbler.

[Xavier]

I think Hart can land in the NBA. He reminds me of Danny Green. Similar size/body.

[Caveat]

I disagree that Tre can't play his way into the 1st round. I don't think it necessarily would be easy, but I absolutely think it's in the realm of possibilities.

The problem with this line of thought is that it assumes there is a weakness in Tre's game he's can correct with more time and reps. Every indication that was posted last season was that Tre's problem is that he lacks the athleticism required to play in the NBA. I don't know how more playing time is going to make him quicker or more agile.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Hart can land in the NBA. He reminds me of Danny Green. Similar size/body.

I think he can too but he isnt likely to go 1st round. That is after a POY type year too.

[X Factor]

Josh Hart will have a long career in the NBA; I don't care what round he's drafted in. That's almost a given. He can flat out play on both ends.

[casualfan]

Workouts with OKC and New Orleans.

[casualfan]

Despite being an alternate Tre did not get into the combine:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/05/05/sixty-seven-players-attend-nba-draft-combine/

[muskiefan82]

Despite being an alternate Tre did not get into the combine:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/05/05/sixty-seven-players-attend-nba-draft-combine/

Sumner is on the list. Can he do anything at the combine?

[GetUp5]

Kind of a weird feeling. You want our guys to do well and Tre should be among the top 67 guys, but at the same time, you have to think this helps the chances of him coming back...

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Shooters, plus defenders, and size guys all will get their shot in workouts. Tre will have his shot at the NBA either this year or next. He shoots and scores too well.

[xukeith]

Shooters, plus defenders, and size guys all will get their shot in workouts. Tre will have his shot at the NBA either this year or next. He shoots and scores too well.

If that is the criteria, a lot of college player would be in NBA. Tre is too slow and not as athletic. If he shot like Kyle Korver, maybe he'd be in NBA.

[Xavier]

If he shot like Kyle Korver he'd definitely be in the NBA..

[drudy23]

The problem with this line of thought is that it assumes there is a weakness in Tre's game he's can correct with more time and reps. Every indication that was posted last season was that Tre's problem is that he lacks the athleticism required to play in the NBA. I don't know how more playing time is going to make him quicker or more agile.

Exactly...his weakness is his athleticism. End of story. He's going to make alot of money playing basketball, but not in The League. This has been pretty obvious for some time.

[SemajParlor]

If he shot like Kyle Korver he'd definitely be in the NBA..

Korver is a very good athlete.

[GoMuskies]

Korver is a very good athlete.

And about the most accurate three point shooter in league history (holds the single season accuracy record).

[bleedXblue]

And about the most accurate three point shooter in league history (holds the single season accuracy record).

and he's 6'7 or 6'8

[ammtd34]

and he's 6'7 or 6'8

Yeah. Korver is kind of a 3 pt specialist in the NBA, but it's not like shooting is his only attribute. If that was the case, Brad Redford would have a bench role somewhere.

[kellernr]

Since Tre wasnt invited to the combine when do you think he will make an announcement on if he will return to school or hire an agent? I hope he doesnt drag it out until the deadline.

[xu82]

Agreed. When is the deadline?

[kellernr]

Agreed. When is the deadline?

I think players have until May 24th to withdraw their names

[XUMIOH12]

I think players have until May 24th to withdraw their names

yes, the 24th is the deadline for early entrants to withdraw. International early entrants have until June 12.

[Tardy Turtle]

the 24th is the deadline for early entrants to withdraw.

Man, I don't know. All the good seats will be long gone by then.

[XMuskieFTW]

I think he has workouts scheduled with OKC and New Orleans, so I wouldn't expect a decision until maybe next weekend?

[GIMMFD]

I think he has workouts scheduled with OKC and New Orleans, so I wouldn't expect a decision until maybe next weekend?

Semaj and Tre would be pretty cool if that happened, granted I would much rather him stay for his Senior year but I'm selfish.

[AviatorX]

No reason not to wait until the deadline to make the final decision if it's a tight one. Gives NBA teams every possible chance to make some kind of promise, invite him for workouts, etc.

[drudy23]

It's not all about draft potential...he could have indications that teams may simply want to sign him and see what happens. That may be enough to sway him too.

[Muskie]

It's not all about draft potential...he could have indications that teams may simply want to sign him and see what happens. That may be enough to sway him too. You're right. All it takes is one team saying "we're going to draft you" or we've got a contract with your name on it. That's what so nerve-wracking.

[casualfan]

Sounds like he has a workout lined up with the Lakers.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Shannon recently interviewed Mack, and he shared some thoughts about the process Tre is going through, along with other notes about the program:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/xavier-musketeers-head-coach-chris-mack-gives-a-look-at-how-the-offseason-is-going-for-the-program?sharedToken=4db7a6ea-69f4-47b9-ad4c-6b9fa949c82e&ref=t.co

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Still looking for another transfer.

[bobandtim]

Hope we land another BIG transfer with high potential!! If he practices with team next year, he will be ready to play big minutes up with Tyreque for the 2018 season....sound like a good plan??

[xu82]

Still looking for another transfer.

But NOT a grad transfer, someone to sit a year then play a year or two. Balance out the classes.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

But NOT a grad transfer, someone to sit a year then play a year or two. Balance out the classes.

Yep, interesting to read that. I wonder who he has in mind. I would like to see a big, but we know Mack was going after that twin from Miami.

[pimpinthebox]

Shannon recently interviewed Mack, and he shared some thoughts about the process Tre is going through, along with other notes about the program:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/xavier-musketeers-head-coach-chris-mack-gives-a-look-at-how-the-offseason-is-going-for-the-program?sharedToken=4db7a6ea-69f4-47b9-ad4c-6b9fa949c82e&ref=t.co

Damn Insider access...

[Masterofreality]

Damn Insider access...

Cheap to get in there, though, Pimp.

[kellernr]

Damn Insider access...
That whole article was free on Facebook over the weekend.

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[pimpinthebox]

Cheap to get in there, though, Pimp.

Agreed, just more of an inconvenience than anything else. I found a workaround.

[scoscox]

working out for the lakers thursday

[casualfan]

5 days until the deadline to withdraw.

Anybody heard any rumblings?

[ReturnOfTheMack]

5 days until the deadline to withdraw.

Anybody heard any rumblings?

Still no decision made. The process of gathering all possible information is pretty much over. Sounds like he's taking the weekend with his family to evaluate his options and announcement will be probably be made ON the 24th.

[Juice]

Is he trolling everyone?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUS951rFCCm/?taken-by=trevonbluiett&hl=en

[AviatorX]

Is he trolling everyone?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUS951rFCCm/?taken-by=trevonbluiett&hl=en

That Class of 2014 Spiece group definitely keeps things interesting. Assuming Jaquan Lyle is done at the college ranks, Tre is the last man standing. Seriously talented group obviously.

[XMuskieFTW]

Is he trolling everyone?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUS951rFCCm/?taken-by=trevonbluiett&hl=en

100% trolling us all right now.

[casualfan]

100% trolling us all right now.

I'm not so sure. Got a text shortly before this went up that has meaning toward staying. We shall see.

[xeus]

Maybe he's high, and just totally forgot to make an announcement.

[sirthought]

Looking at other posts of his on Instagram, he types the hashtag #STILL on several. So, sadly, that's not really convincing to me.

[XMuskieFTW]

I'm not so sure. Got a text shortly before this went up that has meaning toward staying. We shall see.

He and Ed both put up trolly posts like this a few days before Ed announced he was leaving, so I'm skeptical.

[GIMMFD]

I'm not so sure. Got a text shortly before this went up that has meaning toward staying. We shall see.

I'm getting antsy, I'm glad this is all over in a couple days and we can figure out what the hell the roster will look like next year

[drudy23]

Would be really nice to have him next year...but I'm guessing he doesn't really care what I think.

[muskiefan82]

Would be really nice to have him next year...but I'm guessing he doesn't really care what I think.

If he goes, he should at least send you a pair of his game shorts as consolation.

[THRILLHOUSE]

He had a workout with the Pacers this morning.

https://twitter.com/KyleNeddenriep/status/866687106286051332

[casualfan]

He and Ed both put up trolly posts like this a few days before Ed announced he was leaving, so I'm skeptical.

Apples and Oranges if you know anything about what happened with Ed's decision.

[xeus]

He had a workout with the Pacers this morning.

https://twitter.com/KyleNeddenriep/status/866687106286051332

I'm glad he missed at least one.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Joe Danneman just tweeted this quote from Tre after today's workout:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAc5r0XW0AEWGnO.jpg

[XMuskieFTW]

Apples and Oranges if you know anything about what happened with Ed's decision.

I was just saying he and Ed both posted trolling pics. Not saying it has anything to do with a decision.

[casualfan]

I was just saying he and Ed both posted trolling pics. Not saying it has anything to do with a decision.

And what I'm saying is that those "trolling pics", particularly Ed's, were not intended to troll.

Ed was all set to stay until right before his announcement when the doctor's came back with an updated timeline for recovery that had him missing most of this year.

In other words, at the time he posted the "trolling pic" he fully intended to return.

[GIMMFD]

And what I'm saying is that those "trolling pics", particularly Ed's, were not intended to troll.

Ed was all set to stay until right before his announcement when the doctor's came back with an updated timeline for recovery that had him missing most of this year.

In other words, at the time he posted the "trolling pic" he fully intended to return.

I don't even consider them trolling to be honest, I think Ed has a real love for his team and time at X, he showed it with the way played and even his tweets and stuff during our tournament run. Sure it's superficial, and we don't really know what a guy is thinking, especially just from social media, but I fully don't think he had any intentions of giving us false hope, and rather just showing his love for X and it's fans.

[Jehoya]

https://youtu.be/62_WM-c8mgU

Im no expert, but if I had to guess based on his body language In this video he's gone.....

[XMuskieFTW]

https://youtu.be/62_WM-c8mgU

Im no expert, but if I had to guess based on his body language In this video he's gone.....

Agreed. The fact he has his mind made up and hasn't hired an agent yet gives me hope though.

[X Factor]

Lately, every one of Xavier's marginal NBA draft prospects has left. Trevon is not getting drafted.

[AviatorX]

Lately, every one of Xavier's marginal NBA draft prospects has left. Trevon is not getting drafted.

X has made a living (Trevon excluded) on prep school guys who are on the older side by the time they're deciding whether to go pro. That cuts in favor of leaving IMO.

Also if Tre stays in the draft I'd be very surprised if he wasn't picked in the second round.

[XMuskieFTW]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9poi-Fyhiw

Longer version of that video. Just don't see him returning. Would love to be wrong.

[MarvAlbert]

The video just reminds me of someone that turned the page on their word of the day calendar and got, "per se," And decided to use it as much as possible. In all seriousness, I hope Tre is happy with his decision and never looks back, one way or the other. He brought us many happy times, it's either more of the same or I am happy for him now.

[AviatorX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9poi-Fyhiw

Longer version of that video. Just don't see him returning. Would love to be wrong.

Tre sounds like someone who WANTS to go pro this year. But we already know that. That's why he declared for the draft. The real analysis is whether it makes sense this year all things considered. That's why Bluiett is (smartly) maximizing every workout until the last possible second with the Knicks bringing him in Wed afternoon. The Bluiett brain trust and the Xavier coaches are pretty clearly a strong decision making group -- either way, all parties will feel the best decision was made in 48 hours.

[bleedXblue]

Tre sounds like someone who WANTS to go pro this year. But we already know that. That's why he declared for the draft. The real analysis is whether it makes sense this year all things considered. That's why Bluiett is (smartly) maximizing every workout until the last possible second with the Knicks bringing him in Wed afternoon. The Bluiett brain trust and the Xavier coaches are pretty clearly a strong decision making group -- either way, all parties will feel the best decision was made in 48 hours.

I seriously wonder how much feedback teams really give these guys.

[GoMuskies]

Whatever the Knicks tell you, do the exact opposite. It's a pretty good philosophy on life that would have made one quite successful over the years.

[XUGRAD80]

A lot of the NBA teams have relationships with European league teams. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up playing in Europe with a team that has some type of relationship with one of the teams he worked out for. These "workouts" are kind of a tryout not just for the NBA teams, but for others as well.

[casualfan]

I don't belong to scout, but I heard Rick on the radio yesterday and he seems to think it is 50/50.

[THRILLHOUSE]

A lot of the NBA teams have relationships with European league teams. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up playing in Europe with a team that has some type of relationship with one of the teams he worked out for. These "workouts" are kind of a tryout not just for the NBA teams, but for others as well.

And the NBA does a better job of using the D-League (or the Gatorade League as it will be called next year) as a minor league system these days. So I could see Tre's first year or two being similar to Semaj where he spends some time in the D-League and Europe. Then if he does well he could get a chance in the league like Semaj has. Hopefully he'll get drafted (or get a training camp chance ) by a team with a competent front office.

[XMuskieFTW]

Tre says he's very confident he'll go second round if he stays in the draft, but I have my doubts. He will have worked out for OKC, New Orleans, Milwaukee, Indiana, and New York. Of those teams, New Orleans picks 40, Indiana 47, Milwaukee 48, and New York 44 and 58. Obviously he could do more workouts and have more interested teams if he stays in, but of the teams he will have worked out for by the deadline, New York at 58 seems like the only possibility. I can't see him going before pick 50. I just hope teams aren't telling him things that aren't true.

[X Factor]

I think Tre is a great college player, but what position does he think he's gonna play in the NBA? He's about 6'6 with below average athleticism. He's not guarding any SG's or SF's. He's not quick enough to create his own shot, besides his step back jumper. He's not an elite level shooter either.

Selfishly, I want Tre to come back. With him and JP as seniors, and the group we have returning, I think it could be a special year.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Tre is a great college player, but what position does he think he's gonna play in the NBA? He's about 6'6 with below average athleticism. He's not guarding any SG's or SF's. He's not quick enough to create his own shot, besides his step back jumper. He's not an elite level shooter either.



And staying at X for one more season isn't going to change any of this and suddenly make him have 1st round potential. If he feels ready to start his professional career, then good for him. Even if it isn't the NBA he'll be getting paid to play basketball somewhere.

[xeus]

I don't belong to scout, but I heard Rick on the radio yesterday and he seems to think it is 50/50.

Thanks Rick, appreciate the insight.

[GIMMFD]

And staying at X for one more season isn't going to change any of this and suddenly make him have 1st round potential. If he feels ready to start his professional career, then good for him. Even if it isn't the NBA he'll be getting paid to play basketball somewhere.

Yep, it's 100% his decision and what's best for him. We can be as selfish as we want, but these are the facts presented.

[LA Muskie]

A lot of the NBA teams have relationships with European league teams. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up playing in Europe with a team that has some type of relationship with one of the teams he worked out for. These "workouts" are kind of a tryout not just for the NBA teams, but for others as well.

Huh??? Which NBA teams have working "relationships" with European teams? The Euro leagues don't consider themselves NBA minor leagues. They consider themselves competitors.


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[JTG]

Top salary in d league is $25k. Better off in Europe.

[MuskieXU]

Top salary in d league is $25k. Better off in Europe.

They have new rules in place so that each team can pay two D League players $75,000 per year guaranteed. Whether or not TB would get one of these contracts is unknown.

[sirthought]

He'd still be better off in Europe. If he can't get on a NBA roster now, the chances of it happening later are slim to none. Work your way onto a foreign roster, hopefully play well and earn some good money while your body can still perform.

[casualfan]

Knicks workout cancelled.

Good news coming?

[SemajParlor]

Knicks workout cancelled.

Good news coming?

As a fan,

Knicks + Good News = Brain does not compute

[THRILLHOUSE]

Knicks workout cancelled.

Good news coming?

Hmmm. Interesting. One would think that maybe it means he actually is leaning towards coming back. Or maybe he is still on the fence and wants to take the next 24 hours to really think about it, and doesn't want to be distracted during a workout on the deadline date.

[xufan2434]

New York has two 2nd round picks. Including #58. Don't think he would cancel on a possible team that could be in line to take him unless he was pretty certain about coming back..

..Unless of course there's all sorts of other factors we couldn't possibly know about, which there probably are, and now I'm freaking out again

[LA Muskie]

The Knicks weren't drafting him, even at 50.


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[LA Muskie]

Top salary in d league is $25k. Better off in Europe.

For short term financial benefit, yes. If he truly believes he can make it to the NBA and wants to take his shot at it? No effing way.


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[smileyy]

I think Tre is a great college player, but what position does he think he's gonna play in the NBA?

Catch-and-shoot wing. His defense is underrated. Its not great, but it might be adequate, if he can shoot well enough.

[SemajParlor]

Catch-and-shoot wing. His defense is underrated. Its not great, but it might be adequate, if he can shoot well enough.

Jared Dudley

[AviatorX]

Tried not to read into anything during this process, but gotta say, it's weird to cancel a workout with a team that has multiple second round picks the day before the deadline if you're planning on leaving, no?

[GoMuskies]

Tried not to read into anything during this process, but gotta say, it's weird to cancel a workout with a team that has multiple second round picks the day before the deadline if you're planning on leaving, no?

Unless he got a promise from someone else, I suppose.

[D-West & PO-Z]

As a fan,

Knicks + Good News = Brain does not compute

Ugh same. I can only take this as the Knicks have done something yet again to screw me as a fan. So I am guessing they told Tre that no workout needed, they were guaranteeing they would take him with one of their 2 second round picks. Of course to screw me even further (as I would love an XU guy on the Knicks) the Knicks will renig that guarantee and Tre will go undrafted.

[casualfan]

nm

[casualfan]

Jared Dudley

Dudley is bigger (although not by a ton) and shot 44% from deep his last year in college. Tre shot 37% last year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Knicks workout cancelled.

Good news coming?

Do we know who cancelled it? Tre or Knicks?

[casualfan]

Do we know who cancelled it? Tre or Knicks?

I don't.

[Muskie]

If the Knicks (who haven't worked him out) cancelled the work-out, I doubt it means they are going to guarantee him a 2nd round pick.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If the Knicks (who haven't worked him out) cancelled the work-out, I doubt it means they are going to guarantee him a 2nd round pick.

Ha, I was kidding. But in all honesty that would be so far down the list of dumbest things the Knicks have/could/would do that it wouldnt be shocking at all.

[Muskie]

Ha, I was kidding. But in all honesty that would be so far down the list of dumbest things the Knicks have/could/would do that it wouldnt be shocking at all.

Sorry. I read a bunch of posts in a row and didn't catch the sarcasm.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And even if given a guarantee Tre would be wise to continue workouts with any and all teams. How many times have we heard athletes say Team A said if I was there I was their guy and it doesnt happen.

[GoMuskies]

I think the Knicks are doing him a favor by not giving him what would almost certainly be terrible advice.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think the Knicks are doing him a favor by not giving him what would almost certainly be terrible advice.

Yeah it is hard to imagine a franchise in sports I would want advice from management less than the Knicks. Maybe the Browns?

[SemajParlor]

Dudley is bigger (although not by a ton) and shot 44% from deep his last year in college. Tre shot 37% last year.

Dudley first 3 years in college were 32%, 33% and 35%. He only became a sharp shooter in the NBA once he had his role carved out in order to survive. Their college careers are actually fairly close and they have similar ways of scoring. I think if anything Tre was a much better shooter but Dudley was more aggressive on the glass (aka the Junkyard Dog). They are similar in the way they use their bodies to gain edges they lack from athleticism. You are correct that Dudley is slightly taller and is heavier, but their styles remind me of each other. If I were Tre I would look at his film.

[SemajParlor]

Ha, I was kidding. But in all honesty that would be so far down the list of dumbest things the Knicks have/could/would do that it wouldnt be shocking at all.

That would be so far down on the Knicks bad list it's probably on average closer to being a good decision.

[casualfan]

Dudley also actually shot 37% from 3 in college. He only became a sharp shooter in the NBA once he had his role carved out in order to survive.

Again, he shot 44% from 3 his last year in college. He was a sharpshooter before he got to the NBA.

Tre shot 37% from 3 last year. If last year was his last year in school he has a lot of work to do to get to where Dudley was from a shooting perspective coming into the league.

The other thing to keep in mind is that Dudley shot that percentage on a much smaller number of attempts than Tre took last year while averaging 19.0 ppg to Tre's 18.5. To me, that shows that at least to this point in their respective careers Dudley was a much more rounded offensive player. While he made 3's at a much higher clip than did Tre his game was also not nearly as reliant on the three to generate points.

And keep in mind we're not talking about a pretty good college player here. Dudley was an absolute stud as a senior at BC winning ACC player of the year.

Maybe Tre comes back and has a similar season next year, but in terms of how their games looked after Dudley's senior year and Tre's junior year there are more differences than similarities in my opinion.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah it is hard to imagine a franchise in sports I would want advice from management less than the Knicks. Maybe the Browns?

Washington Generals?

[smileyy]

Washington Generals?

At least they have a plan

[SemajParlor]

Again, he shot 44% from 3 his last year in college. He was a sharpshooter before he got to the NBA.

Tre shot 37% from 3 last year. If last year was his last year in school he has a lot of work to do to get to where Dudley was from a shooting perspective coming into the league.

True. I went back and edited to include Dudley's first 3 years, which were lower than Tre's. It's not Trevon's last year in school so that was kind of my point, however apologies if I didn't illustrate that. A little unfair to hold Tre's junior year to Dudley's senior year though.


The other thing to keep in mind is that Dudley shot that percentage on a much smaller number of attempts than Tre took last year while averaging 19.0 ppg to Tre's 18.5. To me, that shows that at least to this point in their respective careers Dudley was a much more rounded offensive player. While he made 3's at a much higher clip than did Tre his game was also not nearly as reliant on the three to generate points.

I'm not saying Tre and Dudley are clones, but if we're arguing 19 to 18.5 ppg it's splitting some hairs, no? Additionally, using % and saying that he shot less 3s seems to be counter intuitive when assuming he's a better shooter. I do agree Dudley was a much better well rounded player (ie the Junkyard Dog nickname he well deserved).



And keep in mind we're not talking about a pretty good college player here. Dudley was an absolute stud as a senior at BC winning ACC player of the year.

I know the ACC was probably more talented back then, but I would imagine Tre would be an adequate pick for Preseason BE player of the year. Who knows how the season plays out - wouldn't shock me if he won.

Similar numbers, similar bodies, both talents that led teams to Elite 8's. Dudley to me was the better player and what he's done to transform his game and be in the league for this long is something Tre can probably only dream about. But in terms of the original question of what role Tre can ever serve in the NBA I don't know, I kind of like the comparison.

[casualfan]

True. I went back and edited to include Dudley's first 3 years, which were lower than Tre's. It's not Trevon's last year in school so that was kind of my point, however apologies if I didn't illustrate that.



I'm not saying Tre and Dudley are clones, but if we're arguing 19 to 18.5 ppg it's splitting some hairs, no? Additionally, using % and saying that he shot less 3s seems to be counter intuitive when assuming he's a much better shooter. I do agree Dudley was a much better well rounded player (ie the Junkyard Dog nickname he well deserved).

And keep in mind we're not talking about a pretty good college player here. Dudley was an absolute stud as a senior at BC winning ACC player of the year.

I know the ACC was probably more talented back then, but I would imagine Tre would be an adequate pick for Preseason BE player of the year. Who knows how the season plays out - wouldn't shock me if he won.

Similar numbers, similar bodies, both talents that led teams to Elite 8's. Dudley to me was the better player and what he's done to transform his game and be in the league for this is something Tre can probably dream about. But in terms of the original question of what role Tre can ever serve in the NBA I don't know, I kind of like the comparison.

I was under the impression you were comparing Tre now to Dudley when he was coming out.

My point about their ppg wasn't to show that the .5 is a huge difference. I was pointing out that not only was Dudley a better shooter his senior year compared to Tre last year, he did not rely on it nearly as much as Tre did (88 attempts for Dudley to 244 for Tre). To me, that points to Dudley being a more well rounded scorer coming out as opposed to just a shooter.

I think a role similar to Dudley's is probably the ceiling for what Tre can hope for in his NBA career.

[SemajParlor]

I think a role similar to Dudley's is probably the ceiling for what Tre can hope for in his NBA career.


I agree with you 100% and especially about this part. I'm a big early to mid 2000 CBB junkie, so this was fun going down memory lane.

[casualfan]

Do we know who cancelled it? Tre or Knicks?

FWIW:

Xavier Scout‏ @musketeerreport 1h1 hour ago
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Can confirm that Trevon Bluiett will not work out for the Knicks on Wednesday. Still trying to find out what changed. May announce sooner?

Rick has an update he posted, but i am a cheapass so i don't know what it says.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

FWIW:

Xavier Scout‏ @musketeerreport 1h1 hour ago
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Can confirm that Trevon Bluiett will not work out for the Knicks on Wednesday. Still trying to find out what changed. May announce sooner?

Rick has an update he posted, but i am a cheapass so i don't know what it says.

Some disagree, but this tells me someone he worked out for gave him a guarantee to get picked.

[casualfan]

Some disagree, but this tells me someone he worked out for gave him a guarantee to get picked.

I think it means he is coming back, but time will tell.

I just can't see a scenario where he would cancel his workout with the Kicks then still come out.

I guess the Knicks could have cancelled it, but that'd be kind of odd.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I guess CasualFan hasn't checked out the latest in that "Good Article by Doc" thread...

[ammtd34]

Some disagree, but this tells me someone he worked out for gave him a guarantee to get picked.

That would strike me as naive on Tre's part. You may be right, but I would be surprised if that was the case.

[smileyy]

he did not rely on [the three] nearly as much as Tre did (88 attempts for Dudley to 244 for Tre)

Xavier runs an offense that primarily looks for two shots -- a shot at the rim, or a three-pointer (check out their shot charts sometime). I'd say its a very different style of play than the one Dudley played in, in a savage time before teams learned how inefficient of a shot the midrange jumper is.

[AviatorX]

Xavier runs an offense that primarily looks for two shots -- a shot at the rim, or a three-pointer (check out their shot charts sometime). I'd say its a very different style of play than the one Dudley played in, in a savage time before teams learned how inefficient of a shot the midrange jumper is.

It's honestly criminal that Dudley only shot 88 if he was shooting them at that clip in college.

[SemajParlor]

I've posted this here before (and naturally comes against the Knicks), but take a look.... I see a lot of Tre here. Maybe it's just me


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdwP_ifQo0I