NBA Mock Drafts

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thought it might be good to have a thread speicifcially for mock drafts if anyone is interested where Ed and Tre are being projected. I know some have already been posted on various threads.

BR has Ed at 26, saw one with him at 36 and one towards end of second round.

I have see Tre as high as mid 40's, number 56 and undrafted.

Ed #22 here

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-am-nba-mock-draft-33017/

[XUMIOH12]

nbadraft.net has Bluiett at 49 overall and Ed undrafted.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

[XUMIOH12]

Draft Express does not have Bluiett or Sumner being drafted

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

[XUOWNSUC]

nbadraft.net has Bluiett at 49 overall and Ed undrafted.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

Check again, Sumner is #32 in that one.

[XfansinKy]

Hope Ed goes in the 1st round somehow and doesn't even consider playing next year.

[xu82]

Check again, Sumner is #32 in that one.

And Trevon is now 56, has it been updated?

[SemajParlor]

The only player that's more of a wildcard on where he'll land is Alonzo Trier. I've seen him completely undrafted, 45th, and 10th overall.

[GoMuskies]

I see Aleksander Vezenkov at #57 at Draft Express. I think we probably could have found a spot for that guy in the rotation. Dammit.

[Ohionite_X]

Draft Express does not have Bluiett or Sumner being drafted

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

This also hasn't been updated since Ed made his decision. I guarantee he'll be on here when it's updated.

Also, good for Ed. Clearly he's going to be drafted and may even go late first round. Would be pumped for him if he gets picked first round.

[drudy23]

I'm guessing Tre knows it's going to be a long shot to make the first round. Additionally, you don't gain elite level quickness and explosiveness (which is keeping him out of the first round) in one year (or sometimes ever). So, him finding his way into the first round next year is also likely a long shot.

So for him, does he like school enough and feel he has some unfinished business at X, or is he OK getting drafted in the 2nd round and developing those quickness and explosiveness things under the eye of an NBA team....or just go to Europe and start making money.

Tough choice, but not mine to make.

[drudy23]

I think Ed gets drafted, but I don't think anyone is going to spend first round guaranteed money for someone who hasn't proven to be OK after injury. Second round for him.

[XUMIOH12]

nbadraft.net has Bluiett at 49 overall and Ed undrafted.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft


Check again, Sumner is #32 in that one.


And Trevon is now 56, has it been updated?

Yes it was just updated last night. Most draft boards seem to get updated about once per week

[D-West & PO-Z]

This also hasn't been updated since Ed made his decision. I guarantee he'll be on here when it's updated.

Also, good for Ed. Clearly he's going to be drafted and may even go late first round. Would be pumped for him if he gets picked first round.

Yeah It is important to look at the dates of these mocks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ed #37 and Tre #55 here:

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

[SemajParlor]

Ed #37 and Tre #55 here:

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Seems to be the most realistic numbers in my opinion.

[xukeith]

Hope Ed goes in the 1st round somehow and doesn't even consider playing next year.

I hope that would come true. A miracle but any thing is possible!

Pray Trevon comes back next year.

[XfansinKy]

Seems to be the most realistic numbers in my opinion.

The power forwards/centers in the second round are mostly Tyrique's size. The power forwards in the first round are huge. Irrelevant right now, but with his strength, bulk, and athleticism, I'm holding out hope that Tyrique is a draft pick after four years. So many fun players to watch get better and develop on this team.

[BandAid]

Ed #37 and Tre #55 here:

http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Only 9 international players listed on that board. Are mocks good at estimating international players?

Every time I watch watch/pay attention to the draft (aka the years Xavier players are in it) it seems like the number of actual international picks far surpass the mocks.

[Xavier]

A lot of teams like to get international players, especially in the second round, because they can keep them playing over there and have rights to them for 3 years or something. It's a way to possibly get future value without having to pay for it now. At least that's how I understand it

[SemajParlor]

A lot of teams like to get international players, especially in the second round, because they can keep them playing over there and have rights to them for 3 years or something. It's a way to possibly get future value without having to pay for it now. At least that's how I understand it

Yep exactly. In a weird way, that's what Ed is banking on with regards to his rehab.

[XfansinKy]

I remember coach Mack saying he would rather any of his guys trying to make an NBA roster be a free agent rather than a late 2nd round pick. I guess his thinking is a free agent can try out for multiple teams compared to a late 2nd rounder being in a position to make the team that drafted him or play D-league. Unless another franchise could be very interested in him and offer a sweet trade. I still say Tre's lack of athleticism could prevent him from playing in the NBA but if he comes back and has a handful of games like he did in the Big East and NCAA tournament, someone could take him in the 1st round and make a shorter, less athletic, version of Kyle Korver out of him. Their is always room for a 6'6 great 3pt shooter in the NBA. I say shoot thousands of threes this summer Tre and come back as a 42-45% 3pt shooter, 85% plus Ft shooter, and whatever optimistic points you can score, and get 23-25 ppg and get drafted 1st round. IMO that kind of season with improvement in the strength conditioning program would make him Big East POY, 1st team All-American, and hopefully a final 4 run. To me, that's a 1st round pick and a good reason to return.

[Backyard Champ]

the Kyle Korver comparison is... awful. Korver is actually a phenomenal passer as well. Also, Korver isn't necessarily a great athlete, compared to other NBA guys, so being a smaller, less athletic Korver is simply not going to make NBA rosters.

[GoMuskies]

Also, Trevon isn't as good a shooter as Korver. That's not really a criticism since Korver is one of the most accurate shooters in NBA history. But it's another strike against Trevon carving out a Korver-esque role.

[XfansinKy]

My bad for a wrong comparison. I really dont know who to compare him to. I thought Aguire of the Pistons but that's probably not close either. I'm maybe over optimistic. The way he played in both tournaments proved me way wrong and the only thing I know for sure is I don't know near as much as I thought. I just feel if he comes back and plays most of his senior season like he did in those two end of season tournaments, surely he can make a roster. I also thought, along with people who know a lot more than me, that Jimmer was a lock to have a long NBA career too.

[drudy23]

He's never going to be a first rounder. He's not athletic or explosive enough. Not. Going. To. Happen.

This year or next year....please stop.

What me and many others have said about his desire to be at Xavier will be the deciding factor. Regardless, he will make plenty of money playing basketball.

[LA Muskie]

He's never going to be a first rounder. He's not athletic or explosive enough. Not. Going. To. Happen.

This year or next year....please stop.

What me and many others have said about his desire to be at Xavier will be the deciding factor. Regardless, he will make plenty of money playing basketball.
I think legacy will likely be the deciding factor. But it's my understanding that many within and outside the program feel like he can boost his draft stock if he stays and does well next year. Now could he boost it enough to get into the 1st round? That's an entirely different (and far less likely) proposition.

[bleedXblue]

I think legacy will likely be the deciding factor. But it's my understanding that many within and outside the program feel like he can boost his draft stock if he stays and does well next year. Now could he boost it enough to get into the 1st round? That's an entirely different (and far less likely) proposition.

In another thread you said its entirely possible he improves and moves up to the 1st round next year. So which is it?

[waggy]

He's never going to be a first rounder. He's not athletic or explosive enough. Not. Going. To. Happen.

This year or next year....please stop.

What me and many others have said about his desire to be at Xavier will be the deciding factor. Regardless, he will make plenty of money playing basketball.

You. Suck. Always. And. Forever.

Don't. Bother. Trying. To. Stop.

[Xville]

I love tre..but it's clear that quite a few of you know absolutely nothing about the NBA. Drudy is correct when he said that tre will never be a first round pick. It won't happen...hes not going to suddenly grow 3 inches or become athletically explosiv3 so just stop. He may be able to.makr a roster one day, and regardless he is going to make plenty of money playing a game. However he will never be a 1st round pick

[waggy]

Well hopefully we get a chance to review this a year from now. I know I'll be looking forward to it.

[XUMIOH12]

why do i even bother paying attention to NBA draft stuff when everyone on here clearly knows it all

[LA Muskie]

In another thread you said its entirely possible he improves and moves up to the 1st round next year. So which is it?

Possible and not particularly likely are not mutually exclusive.


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[LA Muskie]

I love tre..but it's clear that quite a few of you know absolutely nothing about the NBA. Drudy is correct when he said that tre will never be a first round pick. It won't happen...hes not going to suddenly grow 3 inches or become athletically explosiv3 so just stop. He may be able to.makr a roster one day, and regardless he is going to make plenty of money playing a game. However he will never be a 1st round pick

I have season tix to the Clippers. So I'd say I see the occasional game.

1st round is unlikely but not out of the realm of possibility.

Improving draft stock within the 2nd round (which itself can make a huge difference) is definitely possible.


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[MarvAlbert]

I've always thought of him as someone one of the top teams (Warriors, Spurs, Cavs) would take at the end of the 2nd rd after all the bad teams wasted their 2nd rd picks. Tre goes on to be a solid 2nd teamer and half the international guys taken above him in the 2nd rd never even make it to the NBA. Sort of a Draymond Green of his position, but not that successful (although nobody saw Draymond doing as well as he is).

[bleedXblue]

Possible and not particularly likely are not mutually exclusive.


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yeah ok

[Xavier]

Yeah, I think saying its possible but not likely he moves up is the same line of thinking. Semantics.

[drudy23]

You. Suck. Always. And. Forever.

Don't. Bother. Trying. To. Stop.

Because I say something that's pretty obvious?

I like Tre too...doesn't mean I think he will be a first rounder.

[AviatorX]

Because I say something that's pretty obvious?

I like Tre too...doesn't mean I think he will be a first rounder.

Waggy is way off the rails with the NBA debate for XU players. Not sure why it isn't possible in some posters minds to both support everyone who wears the X while also acknowledging they may not be first round draft picks.

[SemajParlor]

You. Suck. Always. And. Forever.

Don't. Bother. Trying. To. Stop.

There's a happy medium in between understanding that it may be beneficial for him to leave this year and him not sucking.

[SemajParlor]

Woah, how about those hats those UNC players got last night! Who would ever leave school to pursue a career!?

[GoMuskies]

Woah, how about those hats those UNC players got last night! Who would ever leave school to pursue a career!?

UNC has a population of very attractive coeds that I suspect provide a high level of "compensation" to the players.

[SemajParlor]

UNC has a population of very attractive coeds that I suspect provide a high level of "compensation" to the players.

No that's Louisville.

[GoMuskies]

No that's Louisville.

Uh, no. No one is paying for these ladies' services.

[SM#24]

I love tre..but it's clear that quite a few of you know absolutely nothing about the NBA. Drudy is correct when he said that tre will never be a first round pick. It won't happen...hes not going to suddenly grow 3 inches or become athletically explosiv3 so just stop. He may be able to.makr a roster one day, and regardless he is going to make plenty of money playing a game. However he will never be a 1st round pick
What if he does that program the one poster said reduced his 40 time from 6 seconds to 4.3 ?

[XUMIOH12]

What if he does that program the one poster said reduced his 40 time from 6 seconds to 4.3 ?

lol why doesn't everyone do that program

[SemajParlor]

Uh, no. No one is paying for these ladies' services.

Their head coach paid for something.

[LA Muskie]

A lot of teams like to get international players, especially in the second round, because they can keep them playing over there and have rights to them for 3 years or something. It's a way to possibly get future value without having to pay for it now. At least that's how I understand it

They retain international players' NBA rights for a year following the expiration of their non-NBA contract (or, for amateurs, their first international contract) unless the player secures an earlier release.

NBA teams can also stash US players in the D League now as well. It mostly applies only to 2nd round players unless there is a tacit agreement (by NBA rule it could not be overt -- or enforceable) by a 1st round pick to NOT sign the required rookie scale tender. (See, e.g., John Huestis).


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[LA Muskie]

yeah ok

It's called degrees of probability. Do you really not understand the distinction?


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Some new Mock Drafts since the lottey is set:

Ed #43 here, no Tre. Others of note: Patton #19, Josh Hart #45.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Ed #48 here, no Tre. Others: Patton #18, Hart #35.
https://www.seccountry.com/sec/2017-nba-mock-draft-first-second-round-projections-2017-nba-draft

Ed #33 here, no Tre. Others: Patton #17, Hart #42.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

Ed #38 here, no Tre. Others: Patton #16, Hart #26.
http://www.tankathon.com/mock_draft

Ed #43 here, no Tre.
http://walterfootball.com/nbadraft2017mock_2.php

Only mocks I found that had 2nd rounds as well. Ed's ADP in these is 41.

[X Factor]

Also of note, mock draft for 2018:

JP is #44 in this one, no Tre.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

[xavierdude]

Also of note, mock draft for 2018:

JP is #44 in this one, no Tre.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

Seriously? That would be awesome....

[casualfan]

Seriously? That would be awesome....

I love JP, but the odds of him getting drafted next year are extremely low.

[xavierj]

I love JP, but the odds of him getting drafted next year are extremely low.

Unless he shoots like 40% from 3 next year.

[MuskieXU]

I love JP, but the odds of him getting drafted next year are extremely low.

Agreed. Its not impossible, but its definitely improbable. That said, that mock demonstrates the biggest reason why Bluiett might return. The draft next year is much weaker than this year. Bluiett might not even get drafted this year but could be a mid second rounder next just due to there being less talent.

[muskiefan82]

Also of note, mock draft for 2018:

JP is #44 in this one, no Tre.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

That would mean this coming season was epically ridiculous for JP. I will take that.

[GoMuskies]

JP needs to at least shoot a lot better. He's got a lot of offensive game, but if he's not shooting great from the outside, he's got no chance of being useful to an NBA team.

[casualfan]

Agreed. Its not impossible, but its definitely improbable. That said, that mock demonstrates the biggest reason why Bluiett might return. The draft next year is much weaker than this year. Bluiett might not even get drafted this year but could be a mid second rounder next just due to there being less talent.

People say this crap at this time every year and it is beyond silly.

Next year's draft may turn out to be weaker, but you have no way of knowing that this far out.

Just look at where this draft was projected to be 12 months ago when people were saying the same about it:

Harry Giles was projected to go #1 overall. He is now projected to barely be a first rounder.

Donovan Mitchell was not on anyone's first round board. He's now likely a lottery pick.

Hell Hamidou Diallo was coming back to Kentucky according to everyone as recently as a month ago. Now he's a likely first round pick.

[casualfan]

JP needs to at least shoot a lot better. He's got a lot of offensive game, but if he's not shooting great from the outside, he's got no chance of being useful to an NBA team.

If JP was going to make it in the league it would be as a 3 and D player.

Unfortunately for him he doesn't do either one of those things particularly well.

Tre's experience to this point should tell us all we need to know about how hard it is to make it in the league, particularly for a guy who lacks the traditional athletic attributes of an NBA player.

[MuskieXU]

People say this crap at this time every year and it is beyond silly.

Next year's draft may turn out to be weaker, but you have no way of knowing that this far out.

Just look at where this draft was projected to be 12 months ago when people were saying the same about it:

Harry Giles was projected to go #1 overall. He is now projected to barely be a first rounder.

Donovan Mitchell was not on anyone's first round board. He's now likely a lottery pick.

Hell Hamidou Diallo was coming back to Kentucky according to everyone as recently as a month ago. Now he's a likely first round pick.

I get what you're saying, but this is also an incredibly strong freshman class coming out and people have known that for awhile. We should see 17 or 18 Freshman get drafted in the first round, which would be the most ever my a wide margin. For comparison there were 10 in 2016. Its impossible to tell exactly how strong or weak the class will be next year, but anyone who analyzes such things agrees that it will definitely be weaker than this years.

[sirthought]

JP is not athletic enough to keep up with NBA guys consistently. He'd have to improve in so many ways, namely decision making. Here's hoping for the best.

I have wondered several times if Trevon was athletic enough or solid enough on defense, but due to the performances he's had over the years I'm surprised more prognosticators aren't giving him the respect.

Then again, it's absolutely shocking to me that more respect hasn't been given to Josh Hart. I could see him doing really well in the NBA. He'll probably go late second round to San Antonio and then become a superstar.

[SemajParlor]

Is he coachable, though?

But in all seriousness, it's good to see a legit source (or just a 3rd pary one outside of the crazed X fan base) recognizing how good Macura is. I sometimes can't believe what I read and hear when fans criticize JP. One of the more versatile and skilled guys X has had.

[SemajParlor]

Unless he shoots like 40% from 3 next year.

I don't think NBA scouts put in as much stock to stats and percentages as we do. Macura is a very good to great 3 point shooter. Saying his role last year to this team was strenuous would be an incredible understatement.

[GoMuskies]

Macura is a very good to great 3 point shooter.

I'd like to believe this. JP, please prove this with your play in actual games next year.

JP is absolutely a great to fantastic passer.

[SemajParlor]

I'd like to believe this. JP, please prove this with your play in actual games next year.

JP is absolutely a great to fantastic passer.

I was at the BE Tourney games vs Creighton, I feel comfortable saying he can shoot. I do agree he should be more consistent. I think Quentin and other actual ball handlers will allow him to have more catch and shoot opportunities.

[GoMuskies]

He's clearly capable of making some outside shots. It's not that helpful when he doesn't, though. He definitely needs to shoot better this year for us and for him.

[sirthought]

Yeah, JP was hitting from distance much better when he wasn't as responsible for manning up on defense the way he did last year. A learning experience for him, I'm sure. But the guy was winded enough that his shot wasn't as accurate as he's capable of.

[SemajParlor]

Yeah, JP was hitting from distance much better when he wasn't as responsible for manning up on defense the way he did last year. A learning experience for him, I'm sure. But the guy was winded enough that his shot wasn't as accurate as he's capable of.

True, and also that he played every minute of every game at full energy, was a primary ball handler, all while being targeted as one of the 2 (and for a few games 1) only scoring threats. He was asked to do a lot last year.

[smileyy]

I sometimes can't believe what I read and hear when fans criticize JP. One of the more versatile and skilled guys X has had.

I feel like Banners on the Parkway had a good take on him in their end-of-season review: http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2017/5/19/15656316/xavier-season-in-review-jp-macura-my-niece-has-a-crush-on-him-oh-no

He brings things to the table, like chaos in the ever-changing zone, and offensive creativity. He also takes things off the table.

Every player has assets and drawbacks. Its unfair to focus solely on drawbacks, without recognizing what the team would lose without him.

[sirthought]

I'd argue that his poor passing decisions in several games hurt much more than any positive play he offered. just a momentum killer too many times. That has to change.

[paulxu]

Some of those happened when he was acting as a PG. Hopefully those days are over.

[sirthought]

Some of those happened when he was acting as a PG. Hopefully those days are over.

I don't care what position he was taking on, they were brutal and showed a lack of vision.

[GoMuskies]

Lack of vision?!? Macura?!? You must be kidding. He may have tried to do too much some times, but he's the best passer on the team.

[JTG]

I'm gonna miss JP a lot when he's gone. Every team wants a guy that other teams hate, and JP fits that.

[sirthought]

Oh no, YOU must be joking. Seriously?

And I really like JP on the team. His passing and mental mistakes were just serious road bumps.

[bobbiemcgee]

Heart and soul of this team:

http://www.startribune.com/former-lakeville-north-star-j-p-macura-stars-in-xavier-s-sweet-16-upset-victory/417022654/

[XU 87]

I don't care what position he was taking on, they were brutal and showed a lack of vision.

When a player has to play out of position, they tend to make more mistakes, particularly when you take a shooting guard/perimeter forward and ask him to play point guard.

[XU 87]

I feel like Banners on the Parkway had a good take on him in their end-of-season review: http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2017/5/19/15656316/xavier-season-in-review-jp-macura-my-niece-has-a-crush-on-him-oh-no

He brings things to the table, like chaos in the ever-changing zone, and offensive creativity. He also takes things off the table.

Every player has assets and drawbacks. Its unfair to focus solely on drawbacks, without recognizing what the team would lose without him.

Yep, guys who are creative and who take the ball to the basket can and will be the same guys who will make some glaring mistakes.

I do agree with the Banners article that on some occasions his shot selection could have been better. And his man defense isn't so good at times, but he is great at the 1 on the 1-3-1.

[XU 87]

I don't think NBA scouts put in as much stock to stats and percentages as we do. Macura is a very good to great 3 point shooter. Saying his role last year to this team was strenuous would be an incredible understatement.

I've read that one reason Derrick Brown went pro after his junior year is because he shot over 40% from the three that year, didn't think he would do that again, and felt as a result his stock was as high as it could go.

[paulxu]

Each of these guys played 33+ minutes a game last year.
Macura, Sumner and Bluiett.

One had 2.8 TO's per game
One had 2.2 TO's per game
One had 2.0 TO's per game

Which one was Macura?

[sirthought]

It wasn't just the turnovers in and of themselves. Poor shot selection. Not making a pass for a better shot. Etc.

I'd say Sumner had a way to go as far as game management too, but those guys each had positive intangibles too.

[GoMuskies]

Which one was Macura?

The one that was the best passer.

[XUFan09]

The one that was the besthe passer.
The correct answer.

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[STL_XUfan]

The correct answer.

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You clearly don't have stats to back that up

[MauriceX]

Each of these guys played 33+ minutes a game last year.
Macura, Sumner and Bluiett.

One had 2.8 TO's per game
One had 2.2 TO's per game
One had 2.0 TO's per game

Which one was Macura?

To Macura's credit - his per 40 numbers are even more impressive since he played slightly fewer minutes than Sumner and Bluiett.

That said, I would distinctly remember Macura's turnovers at the end of each game for being particularly bad. It always seemed like they were careless passes, and they would always seem to compound on each other (i.e. he'd have two or three quick turnovers in a row). Sure, he is very good now, but I think the frustration with him is that we can see that he has the potential to be amazing, he just needs to fix those small lapses.

[XUFan09]

You clearly don't have stats to back that up

Nope!

[smileyy]

https://sethsdrafthouse.com/finch-returns-to-dish-on-nba-prospects-fa57b7c494ef

Scouting report that talks about Sumner (near the end of the article). Not real high on him. Hopefully someone in the NBA can fix his outside shot so that he winds up a lot better than a rich man's Semaj Christon.

[waggy]

https://sethsdrafthouse.com/finch-returns-to-dish-on-nba-prospects-fa57b7c494ef



That whole thing is crap. And I know crap.

[X Factor]

https://sethsdrafthouse.com/finch-returns-to-dish-on-nba-prospects-fa57b7c494ef

Scouting report that talks about Sumner (near the end of the article). Not real high on him. Hopefully someone in the NBA can fix his outside shot so that he winds up a lot better than a rich man's Semaj Christon.

What's up with Xavier PG's not being able to shoot the past few years? Hopefully Goodin can shoot a respectable percentage and be a legitimate threat from three next year. Scruggs isn't considered a shooter either.

[XUFan09]

What's up with Xavier PG's not being able to shoot the past few years? Hopefully Goodin can shoot a respectable percentage and be a legitimate threat from three next year. Scruggs isn't considered a shooter either.
I mean, if you want a guy with good point guard skills, athleticism, and size who defends well, has a great first step to drive to the basket, and shoots threes with accuracy, then you are talking about a five star who everyone in the country wants.

Dee Davis could shoot at a respectable level and he fulfilled some of these traits but he lacked the size and the elite first step for drives to the basket.

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[smileyy]

I mean, if you want a guy with good point guard skills, athleticism, and size who defends well, has a great first step to drive to the basket, and shoots threes with accuracy, then you are talking about a five star who everyone in the country wants.


Hell, not even Lonzo Ball checks all those boxes, and he's going with one of the top three picks in the NBA draft.

[ammtd34]

On Sumner:


I don’t know if he’s a special athlete.

:: Crumbles up paper. Throws in trash. ::

[XUFan09]

On Sumner:



:: Crumbles up paper. Throws in trash. ::
Jesus, even by NBA standards he is.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

Ed #40 to NO here:

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

[D-West & PO-Z]

#43 to the Rockets here:

http://www.mynbadraft.com/2017-draft/mock-draft-round-2/

[GIMMFD]

Jesus, even by NBA standards he is.

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Definitely written by someone who has never watched him play, and going purely off statistics. Idiots.

[bobbiemcgee]

bump

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think Ed goes sometime in the next 8 picks here.

Hart and Patton both went first round.

[bobbiemcgee]

Derrick White who harassed us in CO went 29th. Great story, was in CC a year ago.

[Lloyd Braun]

Houston, Denver, Atlanta, and Boston all have two 2nd round picks. You'd think taking a guy who will sit for a year would make sense for those with too many picks.

[JTG]

Tough for me to fathom taking a guy with a bad shoulder and a bad knee. Knee OR shoulder, I get, but both. That's why I don't understand NBA logic. I guess kind of like buying a stock you hope takes off in a couple years.

[bobbiemcgee]

Magic blow another pick with Florida State Isaac @ 6th. Scored 8 pts. against us.

[Juice]

Magic blow another pick with Florida State Isaac @ 6th. Scored 8 pts. against us.

And Dwayne Bacon went 40th

[xukeith]

Tough for me to fathom taking a guy with a bad shoulder and a bad knee. Knee OR shoulder, I get, but both. That's why I don't understand NBA logic. I guess kind of like buying a stock you hope takes off in a couple years.

In 2nd round its better to not get drafted.

[Juice]

Sumner at 52 to the Pelicans and then to the Pacers

[D-West & PO-Z]

There it is. #52 to NO Pelicans. He is in attendance as well. Congrats Ed!

[Juice]

Tu Holloway‏ @SFFiveTu 47s48 seconds ago
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Kids want to go to colleges that produce NBA players.. Congrats Ed Sumner.. Thank you for continuing that trill thing we got at Xavier..

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ed traded to Pacers.

[bobbiemcgee]

Glad we didn't waste time on Kobi Simmons

[LA Muskie]

In 2nd round its better to not get drafted.
Maybe for a couple guys a year. But mostly this is really, really wrong.


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[AviatorX]

Congrats Ed.

I know Xavier has been good for a long time and many greats have worn the uniform, but Ed was a big part of the team that IMO really opened the floodgates on the climb to the "next level." Watching him play was a thrill and he seems like a pretty cool guy. He even suited up for the Shootout with a torn labrum and his draft stock potentially on the line.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I'm so happy for Ed and wish him a speedy recovery.

[xufan2434]

Really really happy for Ed.. Was gonna be crushed if someone didn't take him on his potential after all the crap he's gone through

Obviously always cheering for X guys to succeed post X, but really wanna see it work out for Ed. He'll always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in X history had he not gotten hurt. Selfishly I'm not ready to stop watching him yet haha. Glad he's going to Indy, they'll have the patience there for him and he'll get great treatment

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe for a couple guys a year. But mostly this is really, really wrong.


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Here is a good article on why he is probably right actually, at least for the middle to back half of the 2nd round selections:

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/ezevwz/the-second-round-of-the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair

Right now, it makes far more sense for a player to go undrafted than to be selected in the back half of the NBA draft's second round—what some agents have started calling the "dead zone."

Money-wise, going undrafted is also a better deal. In 2015, 26 undrafted rookies received guaranteed money to go to camp with a team, at an average of $96,730 per player. If you take out Duje Dukan and Maurice Ndour, both of whom signed a fully guaranteed deal for one year, the average is still $61,042 per undrafted rookie to get a camp invite. Thanks to the NBA's rising cap, those numbers have only gone up this offseason, with borderline prospects like Stefan Jankovic and Bryn Forbes already getting six-figure guarantees.


Interesting perspective from Fred VanVleet:

"There were some offers, and teams called on draft night," the former Wichita State point guard Fred VanVleet said about deciding against this option while at Summer League with the Raptors. "I had a good sense before the draft of where I was going to be or what was going to happen. Pretty much, though, the second half of the draft, most of those guys are draft-and-stash guys, and they tell you, 'We're going to put you in the D-League for three to four years' or 'We're going to put you overseas.' Getting my name called was important, but it wasn't important enough for someone to own me with no chance of making the team and no chance of having options."

[Juice]

Here is a good article on why he is probably right actually, at least for the middle to back half of the 2nd round selections:

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/ezevwz/the-second-round-of-the-nba-draft-is-broken-but-not-beyond-repair

Right now, it makes far more sense for a player to go undrafted than to be selected in the back half of the NBA draft's second round—what some agents have started calling the "dead zone."

Money-wise, going undrafted is also a better deal. In 2015, 26 undrafted rookies received guaranteed money to go to camp with a team, at an average of $96,730 per player. If you take out Duje Dukan and Maurice Ndour, both of whom signed a fully guaranteed deal for one year, the average is still $61,042 per undrafted rookie to get a camp invite. Thanks to the NBA's rising cap, those numbers have only gone up this offseason, with borderline prospects like Stefan Jankovic and Bryn Forbes already getting six-figure guarantees.


Interesting perspective from Fred VanVleet:

"There were some offers, and teams called on draft night," the former Wichita State point guard Fred VanVleet said about deciding against this option while at Summer League with the Raptors. "I had a good sense before the draft of where I was going to be or what was going to happen. Pretty much, though, the second half of the draft, most of those guys are draft-and-stash guys, and they tell you, 'We're going to put you in the D-League for three to four years' or 'We're going to put you overseas.' Getting my name called was important, but it wasn't important enough for someone to own me with no chance of making the team and no chance of having options."

I'm with everything they're saying here but for Ed's specific case I think it's better he got drafted. Now he's with an organization and can rehab under their facilities and oversight. If he went undrafted, I could see (but in no way know) most of the league just telling him, "We'll call you when you're healthy." And the Pacers are also rebuilding, and will be even more so after this season when PG is gone and Ed is healthier, and should give Ed a better chance to make the roster.

If I'm way off on this, someone please correct me, but those are my semi-educated thoughts.

Oh, and f*ck the Pacers.

[Muskie]

I'm with everything they're saying here but for Ed's specific case I think it's better he got drafted. Now he's with an organization and can rehab under their facilities and oversight. If he went undrafted, I could see (but in no way know) most of the league just telling him, "We'll call you when you're healthy." And the Pacers are also rebuilding, and will be even more so after this season when PG is gone and Ed is healthier, and should give Ed a better chance to make the roster.

If I'm way off on this, someone please correct me, but those are my semi-educated thoughts.

Oh, and f*ck the Pacers.

I agree. I think it was crucial for Ed to get with a team and rehab on their dime (versus the chance he goes undrafted and has to rehab on his own).

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm with everything they're saying here but for Ed's specific case I think it's better he got drafted. Now he's with an organization and can rehab under their facilities and oversight. If he went undrafted, I could see (but in no way know) most of the league just telling him, "We'll call you when you're healthy." And the Pacers are also rebuilding, and will be even more so after this season when PG is gone and Ed is healthier, and should give Ed a better chance to make the roster.

If I'm way off on this, someone please correct me, but those are my semi-educated thoughts.

Oh, and f*ck the Pacers.

Yeah I agree completely with Ed's situation being inured.

[D-West & PO-Z]

From Chad Ford's draft grades (Pacers got a B):

Sumner was a potential first-round pick before he tore his ACL this season. When healthy, he was a very good athlete and a dynamic scorer. He was a great value pick for the Pacers here.

[whopper]

with his injury very risky to be undrafted and he is such a good guy.. I like that he cried after the Wisconsin game because college kids SHOULD cry because they should care. I loved Fred Van Fleet at Wichita State and thought he was very similar to a young Mark Jackson. Glad to see him catch on and get some time on Toronto

[GuyFawkes38]

I agree. I think it was crucial for Ed to get with a team and rehab on their dime (versus the chance he goes undrafted and has to rehab on his own).

That is interesting. So if he would have stayed at X, would the school have provided him rehab resources? I honestly don't know exactly how that all works. It would have been awful if he wasn't picked in the 2nd round and he gave up his opportunity to rehab at X.

Thrilled for him. Sounds like a solid situation. Rebuild status in Indy should give him opportunities in the future. And close to X and home in Detroit. Hopefully he'll make it to the some X games next year.

[Muskie]

That is interesting. So if he would have stayed at X, would the school have provided him rehab resources? I honestly don't know exactly how that all works. It would have been awful if he wasn't picked in the 2nd round and he gave up his opportunity to rehab at X.

Thrilled for him. Sounds like a solid situation. Rebuild status in Indy should give him opportunities in the future. And close to X and home in Detroit. Hopefully he'll make it to the some X games next year.

Yes he could have rehabbed at X.


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[ammtd34]

Yes he could have rehabbed at X.


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He could have, but the risk was too high for him.

[stammina0721]

Yes he could have rehabbed at X.


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Call me an idiot but I'm pretty sure the Indiana Pacers probably have better rehab facilities, doctors and athletic trainers than X

[Muskie]

Call me an idiot but I'm pretty sure the Indiana Pacers probably have better rehab facilities, doctors and athletic trainers than X
Without a doubt. I didn't mean he should have rehabbed with X. I was just responding to someone's question.