Tre's Status for Next Year

[OTRMUSKIE]

Was that tears of sadness or tears of this was my last college game?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Was that tears of sadness or tears of this was my last college game?

Both?

[mistabeecee41]

A combo of this and Ed's instagram make me feel like they're both gone.

[American X]

Relax. He just realized when they get home Skyline will be closed.

[drudy23]

After his tournament run, his stock is as highest as it will ever be...from a realistic perspective, he's likely gone. Likely a second rounder at best.

Ed is likely in the same boat...but not as convinced with him due to his injury. His injury may force another year, but we shall see. Not sure how NBA teams will evaluate him at draft time with a jacked ACL.

[Muskie in dayton]

Was that tears of sadness or tears of this was my last college game?
No, no, it was nothing like that. The team was just watching "Titanic" after the game.

[SemajParlor]

Guys, get real. They're both gone.

[SemajParlor]

Trevon is a Xavier legend. It's tough to seem him cry like that. But those tears were a realization that his career playing basketball at Xavier University is over. Tough to see. Him and JP will have always have special places in my Xavier fans heart.

[AviatorX]

Guys, get real. They're both gone.

I don't think it's nearly as clear cut with Ed.

[XfansinKy]

If Tre has an NBA summer league like he played in the Big East and NCAA tournaments anything is possible. He made a believer out of me. I wonder where Ed gets the best possible doctors, rehab, and coverage...at Xavier as a D1 NCAA athlete, or as an NBA draft pick?

[X Factor]

I wonder where Ed gets the best possible doctors, rehab, and coverage...at Xavier as a D1 NCAA athlete, or as an NBA draft pick?

From a business stand point, if you were an NBA GM, would you draft a kid coming off a torn ACL and shoulder surgery who wasn't able to work out before the draft?

[XfansinKy]

From a business stand point, if you were an NBA GM, would you draft a kid coming off a torn ACL and shoulder surgery who wasn't able to work out before the draft?

I really don't know. I want Ed to come back but could a franchise sign him to a couple years and take care of those Dr bills while he gets stronger playing in the D-league for 25-30 grand a year? His vertical was well over 40" at the Chicago combine a couple years ago. That's when Jalen out jumped the vertical measuring device and all they could do was guess it was well over 44".

[XUOWNSUC]

Trevon has 1,585 career points after last night's game (good for 15th all-time in Xavier history). If he would stay for his senior year (which he won't) and assuming his average points per game would stay about the same as this year (18.5 per game), he would finish his career with roughly 2,200 points. That would be good for 2nd all-time in Xavier history (behind 1st place Larkin and ahead of third place West). Let that sink in. He's had a hell of a career at Xavier. I wish him the best next year!

SelfishIy, I wish he would pull a Josh Hart and come back for his senior year (again, I know it isn't going to happen).

[muethibp]

From a business stand point, if you were an NBA GM, would you draft a kid coming off a torn ACL and shoulder surgery who wasn't able to work out before the draft?

And the player in question can't shoot.

[Masterofreality]

Guys, get real. They're both gone.


I don't think it's nearly as clear cut with Ed.


And the player in question can't shoot.

Ed, unfortunately for him, is not getting drafted.....THIS year. There is no need for a team to waste a draft pick on a gamble..even more...a gamble with questions. There is also a draft NEXT year too.

The question that he and his advisors need to answer is whether it is better for him to go through a rehab at Xavier- then be able to eventually play a limited amount of games without the grind of a pro schedule in D League- or take the whole year off to strictly rehab....while, ostensibly, still being a college student. Unlike some of our other past players, Ed really LIKES school, so that is a viable possibility, or if the rehab goes well, he's back playing at X to shake the rust off.

Tre, I believe, is gone. He won't be a 1st rounder because there are still concerns about his speed and ability to physically play at a "League" level. He may get that feedback at NBA draft camps, may get a late 2nd Round pick, or may change and possibly still come back, but I doubt it. My opinion, based upon nothing but me, is that Tre is a superb College player and will make very nice money overseas, and may get a cup of coffee in the League, but not immediately. If Romain Sato never made the NBA, with his better physical attributes as well as his superior defensive ability, Tre won't make it either. Tre has the dream, as Tu Holloway has had, but that dream meets reality and the reality is what it is.

The world is littered with "Great College Players" going back to Byron Larkin, that couldn't make the league. Tre Bluiett is a guard in the NBA. can you imagine him trying to guard Kyrie Irving, or Iman Shumpert or JR Smith, or James Harden or Manu Ginobli or, or, or? On offense, he's crafty but NBA defenders will eat him alive. Yep. If he wants to go ahead and go overseas and make some money now, go ahead and Thanks, Tre. But the League ain't happening. One more year at Xavier won't help or hurt. It's just a decision that he and his family have to make.

[Xville]

Ed, unfortunately for him, is not getting drafted.....THIS year. There is no need for a team to waste a draft pick on a gamble..even more...a gamble with questions. There is also a draft NEXT year too.

The question that he and his advisors need to answer is whether it is better for him to go through a rehab at Xavier- then be able to eventually play a limited amount of games without the grind of a pro schedule in D League- or take the whole year off to strictly rehab....while, ostensibly, still being a college student. Unlike some of our other past players, Ed really LIKES school, so that is a viable possibility, or if the rehab goes well, he's back playing at X to shake the rust off.

Tre, I believe, is gone. He won't be a 1st rounder because there are still concerns about his speed and ability to physically play at a "League" level. He may get that feedback at NBA draft camps, may get a late 2nd Round pick, or may change and possibly still come back, but I doubt it. My opinion, based upon nothing but me, is that Tre is a superb College player and will make very nice money overseas, and may get a cup of coffee in the League, but not immediately. If Romain Sato never made the NBA, with his better physical attributes as well as his superior defensive ability, Tre won't make it either. Tre has the dream, as Tu Holloway has had, but that dream meets reality and the reality is what it is.

The world is littered with "Great College Players" going back to Byron Larkin, that couldn't make the league. Tre Bluiett is a guard in the NBA. can you imagine him trying to guard Kyrie Irving, or Iman Shumpert or JR Smith, or James Harden or Manu Ginobli or, or, or? On offense, he's crafty but NBA defenders will eat him alive. Yep. If he wants to go ahead and go overseas and make some money now, go ahead and Thanks, Tre. But the League ain't happening. One more year at Xavier won't help or hurt. It's just a decision that he and his family have to make.

Agreed with all of this. Ed has the potential to be a regular contributor on an NBA team but he may have to wait until next year to get drafted due to his injuries. Tre is likely gone. Unless he really wants to get to a final four, there really isn't a reason for him to stay...he isn't going to suddenly get more athletic. He's a great college player who is limited by his athleticism. He will make plenty of money overseas and I wish the best for him...can't fault him for being done with school.

[Xavier]

Agreed. If his goal is the NBA (obviously is) it would be extremely difficult to improve his stock. If he came back, we would be final four contenders. He would have a great shot at getting his number retired. Obviously no one is holding out hope of that. Would love to have the huge class coming in to have a year with Tre/Ed/JP as upperclassmen. The experience that would bring them would be huge for future success.

Oh well, Tre was a leader on the greatest regular season team ever and lead us to an elite 8 with one of the best wins in X history over Arizona. Great career at X.

[mistabeecee41]

I really don't know. I want Ed to come back but could a franchise sign him to a couple years and take care of those Dr bills while he gets stronger playing in the D-league for 25-30 grand a year? His vertical was well over 40" at the Chicago combine a couple years ago. That's when Jalen out jumped the vertical measuring device and all they could do was guess it was well over 44".

plenty of guys get drafted while injured, who can't do workouts or participate in the combine. obviously, they get drafted lower, but it happens. Ed was project to be late teens/early 20's. If a team in the late 1st/early 2nd liked Ed - they could consider the injury an opportunity to get him, when they previously didn't think they had a chance.

[Masterofreality]

plenty of guys get drafted while injured, who can't do workouts or participate in the combine. obviously, they get drafted lower, but it happens. Ed was project to be late teens/early 20's. If a team in the late 1st/early 2nd liked Ed - they could consider the injury an opportunity to get him, when they previously didn't think they had a chance.

Ed has ability questions. NBA teams will NOT waste picks on question marks. Ed is now off ALL NBA Mock draft boards. He will not get drafted this year.

I think he's back at Xavier. Whether he plays is another question. He can rehab while being a student. Probably better, however to play some to show off on a limited basis. Kyrie Irving was drafted while injured, but there were NO questions about his ability.

[XUFan09]

Ed has ability questions. NBA teams will NOT waste picks on question marks. Ed is now off ALL NBA Mock draft boards. He will not get drafted this year.

I think he's back at Xavier. Whether he plays is another question. He can rehab while being a student. Probably better, however to play some to show off on a limited basis. Kyrie Irving was drafted while injured, but there were NO questions about his ability.
A team could use a second-round pick on him, since there are no guarantees involved and they could just relegate him to the D-League while still holding his rights when he has finished rehabbing. Considering how often second-round picks don't make it anywhere, it's a pretty low-risk, low-cost move for a team.

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[AviatorX]

Ed has ability questions. NBA teams will NOT waste picks on question marks. Ed is now off ALL NBA Mock draft boards. He will not get drafted this year.

I think he's back at Xavier. Whether he plays is another question. He can rehab while being a student. Probably better, however to play some to show off on a limited basis. Kyrie Irving was drafted while injured, but there were NO questions about his ability.

OG Anunoby from IU is almost sure to be a first rounder and there are definitely questions with him. I think the reason Ed isn't on the boards is because those who make the board are assuming he won't enter the draft (he is listed as a first rounder in 2018 on a couple I quickly checked). If he decides that's what he wants to do, I bet that will change.

[xukeith]

Tre will try to play in workouts for draft analysis with an agent. He probably will go to Europe or D-League after not getting a first round section.

He is a good and solid COLLEGE player. I wish him the best. He is off to make some career like Sato and Doellman.

Ed? If I advised him, rehab and play when your knee is 100% (It might never be depending on genes and grace of God).
When able to play, start conditioning and get in game shape. I wuld say go to school, but don't play until you are 100% If that means not until January 2018, then sit out and hire an agent and do all the pre draft camps and conditioning between January and June.
He can shock people if he can look like fast and old Sumner without risking an injury.

Best scenario is he is ready to play in November. But we shall see. I hope he is 100% before December.

If not, beside Scruggs, will we have any guard depth next year?

[Masterofreality]

OG Anunoby from IU is almost sure to be a first rounder and there are definitely questions with him. I think the reason Ed isn't on the boards is because those who make the board are assuming he won't enter the draft (he is listed as a first rounder in 2018 on a couple I quickly checked). If he decides that's what he wants to do, I bet that will change.

There are no questions as to Anunoby's ability, just his injury. Ed still can't shoot and he still has to prove proper decision making.

[Xaveriana]

Was lucky enough to meet Tre's father at Dan Gardens a few weeks ago. Nice guy. Had a drink together. I asked him point blank if Tre is leaving. He said if they believe he will get 1st round then definitely. Said we are not a wealthy family and need to take advantage when opportunity is there. Hard to disagree. Question is will they know if 1st round is happening. We've seen XU players get bad advice/info before on this topic.

[XUMIOH12]

Trevon has 1,585 career points after last night's game (good for 15th all-time in Xavier history). If he would stay for his senior year (which he won't) and assuming his average points per game would stay about the same as this year (18.5 per game), he would finish his career with roughly 2,200 points. That would be good for 2nd all-time in Xavier history (behind 1st place Larkin and ahead of third place West). Let that sink in. He's had a hell of a career at Xavier. I wish him the best next year!

SelfishIy, I wish he would pull a Josh Hart and come back for his senior year (again, I know it isn't going to happen).

at the start of the 14-15 season i thought that Bluiett would be a 4 year player and score 2k+ points. It would be great if he stayed and truly became one of the Xavier all time greats.

[Caveat]

The other thing to remember about Ed is that he might not actually get back into game shape until conference play next year -- and then there's no gauarantee that he ever fully gets up to speed given the difficulties we saw with Myles in working a guy back while also facing the hardest part of the season.

He might look at that situation and think "It's highly unlikely I do anything that improves my pro stock, and entirely possible I hurt it by coming back and looking a step slow against guys who have been playing for 2-3 months already." Given that, his best move might be to just take whatever money / deals are available right now and run.

[Xville]

Was lucky enough to meet Tre's father at Dan Gardens a few weeks ago. Nice guy. Had a drink together. I asked him point blank if Tre is leaving. He said if they believe he will get 1st round then definitely. Said we are not a wealthy family and need to take advantage when opportunity is there. Hard to disagree. Question is will they know if 1st round is happening. We've seen XU players get bad advice/info before on this topic.

If that's the case, he will be back. Love tre but he's not a first round talent no one is picking him in the first round...not going to happen.

[Caveat]

If that's the case, he will be back. Love tre but he's not a first round talent no one is picking him in the first round...not going to happen.

Tre was told by NBA scouts to lose weight / add muscle in the hopes that it would improve his quickness -- and it really didn't. It improved his conditioning, it helped his release time a bit, but he's still pretty much the same guy in terms of latteral quickness and burst speed. He can't beat most people to the rack on offense (which is why he takes so many pull-up jump shots) and he is still just OK on defense in terms of staying on a man.

I think he's an elite scorer and could score points at any court on the planet (including the NBA), I just don't know that NBA coaches / GMs will ever overlook the things he doesn't do well. I hope I'm wrong.

[SemajParlor]

Viewing that the only logical choice to not getting drafted is returning to school is a belief that somehow has not been changed with time.

[Ohionite_X]

Personally, I would give anything to relive my senior year of college.. Of course I did not have the chance to leave early and make millions of dollars playing a sport somewhere. Tough decision no doubt. I don't know much about the NBA but if Josh Hart is seen as a mid-second round pick then Bluiett will be looking at late second round at best. Although, the money overseas is very nice and these guys only have a limited number of years to make money playing hoops. Think it comes down to whether or not he wants to cement himself in Xavier basketball lore.

[Xville]

Viewing that the only logical choice to not getting drafted is returning to school is a belief that somehow has not been changed with time.

Did anyone say that here? If I were him I'd leave because why not?..just saying if he or his family believes he is a 1st round talent or ever will be, they are kidding themselves.

[AviatorX]

There are no questions as to Anunoby's ability, just his injury. Ed still can't shoot and he still has to prove proper decision making.

Trust me, there are plenty of questions about OG's ability. He is less proven than Ed.

No question that if Ed puts his name in he will once again appear on draft boards.

[D-West & PO-Z]

A team could use a second-round pick on him, since there are no guarantees involved and they could just relegate him to the D-League while still holding his rights when he has finished rehabbing. Considering how often second-round picks don't make it anywhere, it's a pretty low-risk, low-cost move for a team.

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Yeah NBA teams "waste" second round picks all the time. 2nd round picks (the actual picks themselves not players) are not highly valued at all.

I have no idea if Ed comes back or not but if goes I wont be surprised at all if he gets drafted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

OG Anunoby from IU is almost sure to be a first rounder and there are definitely questions with him. I think the reason Ed isn't on the boards is because those who make the board are assuming he won't enter the draft (he is listed as a first rounder in 2018 on a couple I quickly checked). If he decides that's what he wants to do, I bet that will change.

Yeah this is what I think as well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The other thing to remember about Ed is that he might not actually get back into game shape until conference play next year -- and then there's no gauarantee that he ever fully gets up to speed given the difficulties we saw with Myles in working a guy back while also facing the hardest part of the season.

He might look at that situation and think "It's highly unlikely I do anything that improves my pro stock, and entirely possible I hurt it by coming back and looking a step slow against guys who have been playing for 2-3 months already." Given that, his best move might be to just take whatever money / deals are available right now and run.

Yeah putting nothing more on tape would be better than putting something bad on tape.

Tough decision for him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Viewing that the only logical choice to not getting drafted is returning to school is a belief that somehow has not been changed with time.

Yeah or that if they didnt get drafted in first round they got "bad advice".

[SemajParlor]

Did anyone say that here? .

Yes.

[MHettel]

So I assume Tre would be on pace to graduate in another year, right? That HAS to come into play. Why leave one year short of a degree? To make money playing ball in Europe? That will be there next year too.

But if he leaves now, then he gets one more year playing ball and then he's gotta figure out what's next in his life when he's in his mid 30s with no degree.

And Ed. I could possibly see a team that has multiple 2nd round picks just taking a chance on Ed, but I hope he's not counting on that. That's a maybe situation.

It's often actually BETTER to not get drafted I the second round, so you can be a free agent and pick the nba situation that best suits your skills and you have a sense of their roster and therefore your chances of making the team.

I think Ed comes back

[Caf]

Yeah NBA teams "waste" second round picks all the time. 2nd round picks (the actual picks themselves not players) are not highly valued at all.

I have no idea if Ed comes back or not but if goes I wont be surprised at all if he gets drafted.

Agreed. I don't see how some are so convinced an ACL and shoulder recovery somehow make him unfit to be drafted. Maybe it's just an optimistic view. No team was going to draft Ed to contribute immediately anyway, so I think he still has draft stock.

[OTRMUSKIE]

A college degree gets you jack shit nowadays. He can always go back and finish his degree.

[Backyard Champ]

Exactly. Honestly I think it's in Tre's best interest to leave. If he doesn't get drafted, he will make a lot of money playing overseas. He saw one of his teammates go down and now that teammates future is in serious jeapardy. Why take that risk?

Instead: leave while you're hot. If it's overseas, it's an extra year that you'll get to play basketball for a good living. If getting a degree is all that important, he will have far more than enough money to pay for a year of college when he is done playing basketball professionally. Leave, make all the money you possibly can doing the thing you love, when you can't get paid to do it anymore, come back and finish your last year.

Of course, I'd love for him to stay. I just think it makes far more sense to leave.

[Caveat]

Unless he gets legitimate advice from NBA scouts that there's something he could do in college to make himself a 1st round lock next year (and I cannot fathom what that would be), he should leave. If someone is willing to pay you to play, you should go make your money.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I think the NCAA put in a program that allows former athletes to come back and get their degree for free?

[JTG]

Trust me, there are plenty of questions about OG's ability. He is less proven than Ed.

No question that if Ed puts his name in he will once again appear on draft boards.

Ed could come back, have a tourney run like Tre and be a mid 1st or lottery pick, that's big, guaranteed money.

[Caf]

Ed could come back, have a tourney run like Tre and be a mid 1st or lottery pick, that's big, guaranteed money.

So, he could maybe have a big run in the tourney, and maybe be a 1st or lottery pick, and maybe not get injured again and then he gets big, guaranteed money...

[XUFan09]

So, he could maybe have a big run in the tourney, and maybe be a 1st or lottery pick, and maybe not get injured again and then he gets big, guaranteed money...
Ha, yeah. Also, there is the possibility that Ed is never the same after this injury or he takes a long time to really be himself again. If so, coming back and revealing that to everyone hurts his stock, whether in the NBA or abroad.

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[ArcherXU]

So, he could maybe have a big run in the tourney, and maybe be a 1st or lottery pick, and maybe not get injured again and then he gets big, guaranteed money...

..... and maybe leaving now doesn't work out for him. Maybe's everywhere, maybe because nothing in life is certain but death and taxes.

Ed leaving truly is an interesting situation, but he can leave and take awhile to come back but because he's at someone's facility it'll look differently?? I thought when he went down it meant he had to come back to prove he can stay healthy after a major knee injury, but only tie will tell and only Ed will decide, either way I hope it works out for him, love the kid.

If there is a program in place for athletes to come back to school for free then my puzzlement over either Tre or Ed leaving disappears completely. I just haven't heard of such a program.

If there isn't one, then that's why Tre comes back. He can make millions overseas but far less guaranteed than the league, obviously. And you still risk getting injured. Really comes down to for me, if a player knows he won't make the nba but can play overseas so he leaves early.... aren't there a lot of those players in today's college ranks?.... so why don't they all start leaving early then, and where does it stop?

[OTRMUSKIE]

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2014/08/18/Opinion/From-the-Field-of-College-Sports.aspx?

[waggy]

Foreign league contracts start at what? $70K? Some even lower? Most guys are $100 to $150K? It beats a real job, but it's not the NBA and it's not the USA.

[OTRMUSKIE]

To make $70k a year to live in Europe doing what you love doing? I will take it!!! The median salary in America is like 55k and most grads don't make close to,that out of college. But Tre is obviously very intelligent guy and will do what's best for him. Love for him to come back but would we be over the limit if he does?

[waggy]

People throw the word millions around though...

[OTRMUSKIE]

So true!!! Bobby Brannon made a good living over seas and I want to say it's like 150k a year which is what you said.

[waggy]

And papa said if it's a 1st round projection, definitely. But...

[MHettel]

A college degree gets you jack shit nowadays. He can always go back and finish his degree.

Both things you said are just plain dumb.

[jhelmes37]

Foreign league contracts start at what? $70K? Some even lower? Most guys are $100 to $150K? It beats a real job, but it's not the NBA and it's not the USA.

You have to remember that most foreign contracts are after expenses. That's how they report them.

In contrast, when someone makes "5 million" in the NBA, that's BEFORE expenses. Because that's how WE report them.

So, 70k in foreign money is after all taxes, medical, living expenses, retirement, pension, etc is taken out. So 70k overseas is like 130-150k in "American money".

Just something to think about.

[vee4xu]

Trevon is an excellent, excellent DI basketball player. With all due respect, he doesn't have NBA level talent. His step back shot won't translate to the NBA game. His lateral movement on defense isn't the quickest and his hops are very limited. Not sure where any of this translates to an NBA game. He will be no worse off next year at this time than he is right now. That being, a potential second round NBA pick or solid overseas player. His only risk is serious injury and even with that, he is a known commodity by then. Oh, by the way, he can pick up his sheepskin too, which will be of great value to a very good basketball player who will make almost all of his lifetime earnings outside of basketball.

[Juice]

Both things you said are just plain dumb.

The value of a college degree has been dropping for awhile now.

And his 20s are the years where he has the potential to earn his highest wages of his entire life. He'd be losing one year of potential earnings by staying at Xavier.

Everyone on this board knows the positives and negatives of this decision for Tre. He just has to take the time and decide what's best for him. There isn't really much to discuss on this.

[mistabeecee41]

Foreign league contracts start at what? $70K? Some even lower? Most guys are $100 to $150K? It beats a real job, but it's not the NBA and it's not the USA.

Tre has a perfect game for Europe - he'll do much better than that financially. It might take a few years, but Europeague powerhouses play well. It's also tax free, and a lot of teams pay for your expenses.

[XUGRAD80]

50K a year will take you 20 years to earn your first million.....can possibly earn that, or even more, in a few years overseas; or in your rookie year in the NBA.

[Backyard Champ]

50K a year will take you 20 years to earn your first million.....can possibly earn that, or even more, in a few years overseas; or in your rookie year in the NBA.

Yeah but, he wouldn't have a degree to fall back on.

[xu82]

Yeah but, he wouldn't have a degree to fall back on.


Sorry, I came in late. Were you serious?

[Backyard Champ]

Sorry, I came in late. Were you serious?

Nope. Think smart decision is to leave. Selfishly want him to stay though.

[xu82]

Nope. Think smart decision is to leave. Selfishly want him to stay though.

Oh, I'd LOVE him back too. Big decision for him, but I'm not hopeful for X. I'm VERY hopeful for Trevon. He can make plenty of money to finish with a degree. What a well spoken/written young man. He was up smiling and taking pix with kids in Orlando post game and I learned to love him even more!

[sirthought]

The way pro seasons are set up, he could be taking classes online and in the off season. Lot's of opportunity to continue his pursuit of a degree.

I think he should stay and build his legacy, because how often can you cement that and become a local legend decades down the road. If he stayed we could seriously have a jacked team here at Xavier. I do think some players like Brown and Crawford missed something by leaving early.

But I wouldn't blame him one bit for leaving for overseas. I, too, think the NBA would be great, but kind of a hit or miss proposition, mostly because of his speed for his height.


But while looking online these past few days at XU alum's reactions to this tournament run, I came across a blog put out by Kenny Frease's wife on their adventures in Europe while he's been playing there. They take quick trips around Germany whenever he has time off and they look like they are loving the experience. At their age, it's an enviable spot to be in. They are certainly not living large, but also not in any way poorly. And they're starting a family. It's pretty sweet.

[Muskeagle]

Just saw that according to NBA draft.net he is on the mock draft board as the 49th pick (of 60....so late second round) to the Atlanta Hawks.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

Also, following Justin Doellman on Twitter seems to show him as having a spectacular experience in Europe (that said, I also saw somewhere else, that he is one of the highest paid "imports" in all of the European leagues). He seems to be having the time of his life in Spain.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Yeah ask new college graduates how that degree is working for them? Most can't get jobs in their field. 50% of lawyers can't find a job in law. Tre went college to hopefully get a job in basketball. Looks like he will get that wish without a degree.

[Muskeagle]

Not in Draft Express's mock draft. Although Kobi Simmons is.....that surprises me.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

Tankathon.com has him at 56 to the Nets (Ugghhhh!)

https://www.landof10.com/big-ten/2017-nba-mock-draft-breaking-first-round-ncaa-tournament-action....has no Bluiett and Sumner #59.

Looking at the four mocks I just looked at, they are ALL over the place. Josh Hart ranges from 20th to 44th. However, the best anyone on these mock sites has Trevon is 49th. I don't know what it means to his Xavier future, but late second round seems to be the "early" ceiling. When they see him at camps and stuff he could rise (or fall), but I can't imagine him sneaking into the first round.

[xudash]

I get the point of this thread. I hate its title.

I hope he stays for his senior year, gets his degree, and takes us to a Final 4.

If he decides to leave now, then God bless him, and thank you Tre. You make us proud to be a part of Xavier.

What is left to chew on in this thread otherwise at this point?

[waggy]

What is left to chew on in this thread otherwise at this point?

Are you kidding me? "He should leave" needs to be repeated at least another 250 times.

[Muskeagle]

I get the point of this thread. I hate its title.

I hope he stays for his senior year, gets his degree, and takes us to a Final 4.

If he decides to leave now, then God bless him, and thank you Tre. You make us proud to be a part of Xavier.

What is left to chew on in this thread otherwise at this point?

I'm with you. I don't have any clue what Tre "should do." I don't know what he "will do." I LOVE the kid. Great heart. Great player. Great representative of our school. He's a fine young man. I'll congratulate him on any decision he makes. He's got good family. He's got a good head. Would LOVE to see him in an X uniform next year. I only looked up the mock drafts because I was curious what they would say. He's got to make the right decision for him and his family. I support whatever that decision is. TOUGH spot to be in. I hope he makes a choice he can live with. Good luck Tre. We love you.

[Ohionite_X]

Bluiett should stay. Not only should he stay, he should be player-coach. Coach Mack can take the year off after a job well done this season. When next season is over they should fight the NCAA for a fifth year of eligibility.

My guess is that none of that happens and he goes pro. Or does he? Wait, what did Derrick Brown and Jordan Crawford do?

Please come back.

[waggy]

He gets a stipend!!

[XUFan09]

Wait, what did Derrick Brown and Jordan Crawford do?

They put themselves in a position where they had plenty of time to secure a permanent spot in the NBA if they deserved it, and they have gone on to make a lot of money playing basketball?

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[OTRMUSKIE]

I would think a guarantee contract could be life changing. If they tell tre come back and you will be a first rounder then maybe you stay. That would be the only reason to come back. I am waiting to come on here in the next month for the WERE YOU THERE DID YOU HEAR thread.

[letskeepitreal]

Can we rename this thread? The man should be honored not denigrated. I know we don't intend to talk badly about Tre but the thread title is misleading.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Just keeping it real brother.

[stammina0721]

I have not read every post, but either choice he makes is fine. If he stays to play like Kris Dunn did then great. If not and he chooses to get paid then great. Either is fine I wish him the best either way

On another note, Sumner needs to do one thing. He needs to improve his jumper. That will save his knees, get him out of the lane as much and make him a lottery pick. His other physicals are NBA caliber his jumper is barely college caliber

[XfansinKy]

I sincerely hate seeing our favorite players crying like that. It's really easy for me to forget that although they're over 18, they are for the most part kids entering adulthood that are trying their best for themselves, their family, teammates n coaches, and maybe even us fans.

[Caf]

..... and maybe leaving now doesn't work out for him. Maybe's everywhere, maybe because nothing in life is certain but death and taxes.

Absolutely possible. I don't know Ed's priorities or his plans in life, but to pretend playing here for free versus being paid to play anywhere else will hurt his future value is plainly delusional.

[ammtd34]

The NBA criticism about Tre is the EXACT same criticism that was launched at Sean Kilpatrick a few years ago. The certainty that some posters have when discussing why Tre won't be an NBA player is puzzling. Why don't we just admit that we aren't sure if he'll be an NBA player and wish him luck?

[XMuskieFTW]

Pretty sure Semaj was making 200k+ in Italy right out of school. Tre isn't going to be an average player if he winds up in Europe. He'll be one of the best players on his team in a very good league in Europe. This 70k number that was thrown out there is much less that he's going to make. It's really a no brainer.

[ammtd34]

Pretty sure Semaj was making 200k+ in Italy right out of school. Tre isn't going to be an average player if he winds up in Europe. He'll be one of the best players on his team in a very good league in Europe. This 70k number that was thrown out there is much less that he's going to make. It's really a no brainer.

Yeah. My friend has played in Israel for about a decade. He was All-MAC in college, but not a big time player. He made 70k in the Israeli second division.

[bleedXblue]

Tre will make lots of dough here or abroad this year or next year or whenever.

It will all come down to how much he enjoys the college life, his teammates and coaches.

He would be preseason.....POY in the Big East. I think he would edge out Brunson if he returns.

He could score over 2K points and likely have his jersey handing in the rafters.

It all depends on what he really wants to do with the next year of his life.

[Caveat]

The NBA criticism about Tre is the EXACT same criticism that was launched at Sean Kilpatrick a few years ago. The certainty that some posters have when discussing why Tre won't be an NBA player is puzzling. Why don't we just admit that we aren't sure if he'll be an NBA player and wish him luck?

What round did Sean Kilpatrick get drafted in?

Tre's going to write his own future, professionally. Could he play in the NBA? Absolutely. He's a very smart kid with a lot of very good basketball tools, and there's nothing to say he couldn't improve his game to the point where a team is willing to give him a look and potentially let him catch on. What people are saying, though, is that right now -- as we stand -- he's missing the elite level of athleticism that most teams are looking for. This isn't a hot take on XavierHoops; the main feedback he got in NBA camps last year was to drop weight and improve his quickness, and the lack of of that quickness/athleticism is reflected in his stock on NBA draft boards posted around the internet.

[ammtd34]

What round did Sean Kilpatrick get drafted in?

Tre's going to write his own future, professionally. Could he play in the NBA? Absolutely. He's a very smart kid with a lot of very good basketball tools, and there's nothing to say he couldn't improve his game to the point where a team is willing to give him a look and potentially let him catch on. What people are saying, though, is that right now -- as we stand -- he's missing the elite level of athleticism that most teams are looking for. This isn't a hot take on XavierHoops; the main feedback he got in NBA camps last year was to drop weight and improve his quickness, and the lack of of that quickness/athleticism is reflected in his stock on NBA draft boards posted around the internet.

Sean Kilpatrick is averaging 13 points a game in the NBA. He's still missing elite level athleticism. That's my point. Nobody knows.

[markchal]

Tre has had an outstanding career at X and I'm glad he finally got it going in the tournament and got to write his own chapter in our program's legacy. I couldn't be happier for the guy, will alway remember his time here fondly, and wish him the absolute best going forward. I don't want to take part in picking out the flaws in his game that will affect his draft status, and will just reiterate what most are saying, the $$ is fantastic out there for someone like him overseas, and he can always finish his degree later.

[xukeith]

Long gone are the days where Xavier players stay all 4 years for a diploma.

I imagine over next 3-6 years, 2-3 X players leave to play professionally every year.

Just win. Basketball is the only thing that matters. We are fans of men's basketball. Not sociology class or theology class.

[XUFan09]

Sean Kilpatrick is averaging 13 points a game in the NBA. He's still missing elite level athleticism. That's my point. Nobody knows.
Yup. Anyone that is guaranteeing that Trevon won't play in the NBA doesn't know what they're talking about (though I'm guessing some of those are just guilty of hyperbole). His path there is tough, and if I were to guess, I think he'll end up in Europe, but still, his chances of making an NBA roster are greater than 0.

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[blueblob06]

Wishing Tre the best, whatever he chooses. Next year will be a great one for Tre and for Xavier basketball, either way.

Can we change the thread title? Maybe to "Tre's Status for next year"?

[Backyard Champ]

Long gone are the days where Xavier players stay all 4 years for a diploma.

I imagine over next 3-6 years, 2-3 X players leave to play professionally every year.

Just win. Basketball is the only thing that matters. We are fans of men's basketball. Not sociology class or theology class.

2-3 players leaving early to play professionally every year? That's ridiculous.

[xu82]

Wishing Tre the best, whatever he chooses. Next year will be a great one for Tre and for Xavier basketball, either way.

Can we change the thread title? Maybe to "Tre's Status for next year"?

That would be nice.

[Caveat]

Sean Kilpatrick is averaging 13 points a game in the NBA. He's still missing elite level athleticism. That's my point. Nobody knows.

I know it's not a Trevon v. SK debate, but SK was also a first team All-American.

You're right that nobody knows. The bottom line is that Trevon is going to be very successful playing professionally, and that's a good thing for him and for Xavier basketball in general. Where that success comes is anyone's guess. Personally, I wish him nothing but the best; he's given Xavier Basketball a fantastic run.

ETA: And yes -- it would be great to give this thread a title change.

[muskiefan82]

I know it's not a Trevon v. SK debate, but SK was also a first team All-American.

You're right that nobody knows. The bottom line is that Trevon is going to be very successful playing professionally, and that's a good thing for him and for Xavier basketball in general. Where that success comes is anyone's guess. Personally, I wish him nothing but the best; he's given Xavier Basketball a fantastic run.

ETA: And yes -- it would be great to give this thread a title change.

I hope we change the thread title one more time to "Were you there this time? Did you hear those same words again?"

[theleague]

https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

A lot of Euro players make more than Semaj does in the NBA....

[Mrs. Garrett]

https://www.talkbasket.net/salaries

A lot of Euro players make more than Semaj does in the NBA....

2 of them from X

Plus I believe your housing is also paid for by the team in Europe.

[RetireFiftyTu]

Sean Kilpatrick is averaging 13 points a game in the NBA. He's still missing elite level athleticism. That's my point. Nobody knows.

Who's Kilpatrick?

[RetireFiftyTu]

Bluiett should stay. Not only should he stay, he should be player-coach. Coach Mack can take the year off after a job well done this season. When next season is over they should fight the NCAA for a fifth year of eligibility.

My guess is that none of that happens and he goes pro. Or does he? Wait, what did Derrick Brown and Jordan Crawford do?

Please come back.

Crawford was a first round pick. Can't blame him for leaving. Brown shot 43% from three his junior season. He didn't think he could replicate that.

[X-ceptional]

So, any indication as to when a decision is likely to be announced?

[theleague]

2 of them from X

Plus I believe your housing is also paid for by the team in Europe.

And your taxes are paid for you as well I believe

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I would expect Tre to be gone. His ceiling isn't getting higher than it is now. He does, however, have two Marine parents. Who knows what is in their heads? They could require him to earn a degree now, they could let him pass on it and head over to Europe.

For Ed, I would say the likelihood is that he comes back to XU. He is actually a pretty smart kid. The extra year is a good opportunity to be the man and to showcase your new knee. If the knee doesn't work out for professional basketball, his degree is such that he can earn significant wages on that alone.

[Muskie]

So, any indication as to when a decision is likely to be announced? I think the cut-off is May 31.
*** its May 24.

[XMuskieFTW]

The cut off this year is May 24th.

[casualfan]

Not sure I understand the "what about getting your degree?" crowd.

Even if he ends up in Europe he'll make enough to put aside a year worth of tuition if getting that degree is really important to him.

You're basically asking "why would you pass up free tuition valued at $50k to go make way more than that per year?"

[D-West & PO-Z]

The NBA criticism about Tre is the EXACT same criticism that was launched at Sean Kilpatrick a few years ago. The certainty that some posters have when discussing why Tre won't be an NBA player is puzzling. Why don't we just admit that we aren't sure if he'll be an NBA player and wish him luck?

Well said.

We sort of seem to get a negative tone when a guy leaves with eligibility remaining and isnt a sure fire 1st round pick. Almost like jilted lovers trying to knock the guy down a peg. Whatever Trevon decides I wish him all the best!

[klark]

Was reading an article about draft stocks after this weekend, it said Tre made an impression on the scouts as a potential second round pick. The advice they said they would give him is to test the draft waters, but it would be in his best interest to return for his senior year.

I think as well spoken as he is I would love to see him do something media wise if that is his interest. I know I selfishly would like to see him come back for one more year, add a facet like Stanley Burrell did if that is possible for him, and see where it goes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I did read today that a player can only do what Tre did last year in declaring and then pull out once. But that article also mentioned 2 dates April 10th and 29th as declaring dates which didnt make sense so it may have been outdated.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19012364/chad-ford-nba-draft-2017-stock-watch-final-four-edition

Stock Level:

Trevon Bluiett, F, junior, Xavier

Blueitt continued his tear through the tournament against Arizona, with 25 points on Thursday. But he struggled mightily against Gonzaga on Saturday, scoring 10 points on 3-for-14 shooting.

He made an impression on NBA scouts as a potential second-round pick. He should test the draft waters, but it's probably in his best interest to return to Xavier for his senior season.

[XUMIOH12]

I did read today that a player can only do what Tre did last year in declaring and then pull out once. But that article also mentioned 2 dates April 10th and 29th as declaring dates which didnt make sense so it may have been outdated.

basketball players can now declare from the draft and withdraw as many times as they are able. They changed that some time early last year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

basketball players can now declare from the draft and withdraw as many times as they are able. They changed that some time early last year.

Ok thanks. I was clearly reading something old.

[drudy23]

Kilpatrick is much stronger. There are some comparisons on the offensive side, but Kilpatrick has an NBA body. Tre does not.

[ammtd34]

Kilpatrick is much stronger. There are some comparisons on the offensive side, but Kilpatrick has an NBA body. Tre does not.

Again, this doesn't have any real meaning.