2017-2018

[stammina0721]

Well we had a very good end to a rollercoaster season. Let's start talking next year and what we have in store. Obviously we don't know what is happening with Trevon and Sumner yet, but let's start talking next year. Can we get back? Can we go further? I personally think Sumner returns and Trevon goes, but I also think Tevon can pull a Dunn and come back. Let's get the off-season train rolling!!!

[XUGRAD80]

I'd bet money that Edmond will be back and Tre will not, but I certainly would love to see me be wrong on the latter. Tre has shown that he has the heart of a lion and I wish him well no matter what his decision is. (But PLEASE come back!). With the experience that Goodwin got this year, and the way we have seen him grow, I think he will end up having an outstanding career. The freshmen coming in give us another reason to look forward to the future. Finally....a big thumbs up and a heartfelt Thank You to the seniors. You will always reamain a part of the Xavier family.

Time to take a break now....see you next season.

[kane79]

I have hope that this run showed Tre how much fun this experience can be and gives him a hunger to want to come back and do it again with these same guys, but i'm afraid it only put the spot light on Tre even more and paved his way into the NBA next season.

[X Factor]

With the experience that Goodwin got this year,

Goodin, Quentin Goodin.

[xavierdude]

Tre was extremely emotional after the game. Like a senior. Not like Wisconsin-disbelief emotional...like a last game in a Xavier uniform emotional. I can't blame the guy. Best player in the tourney before tonight. Get your money. But wouldn't be mad if you stayed.

[Lloyd Braun]

Best of luck to Tre in his future. Hope he makes a ton of dough playin ball, represent X!

[stammina0721]

Completely hypothetical here... if Jalen somehow stayed does he give us the inside presence to stop them today and allow us to play man and stop the three? I fully understand what implications that could have had on earlier rounds and the season as a whole, but I'm bored so I'm just asking as a hypothetical

[Xavier]

JR wasn't exactly known for his defense.

No clue ab next year. Tre will leave, and no one will blame him. He saw the potential risk first hand with sumner going down. Then he had a heck of a tournament, his stock will never be higher.

[BlueGuy]

Q. Does he start? Will Ed play off the ball?

[markchal]

If Ed can't get on the floor before December we shouldnt count on him for much until BE play.

[Caveat]

I'd be shocked if Ed is back before conference play. And even when he gets back, it could easily be a Myles situation where it's a struggle for him to work back in and find his form.

It could be a rough start year next year -- X is going to need to find scoring somewhere to complement JP.

[stammina0721]

I don't think so. I was in great shape but only a d3 athlete for MSJ playing football and golf. I tore my ACL in January and was playing football in August. Then I retore my ACL in late October and was playing golf in March. Sumner is 10 times the athlete I was I bet he is 110% for November

That was 11 years ago and docs are even way better now. He will be fine

[American X]

Biggest question will be if Tardy Turtle needs a liver transplant mid-season or can he get through the end of the year?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't think so. I was in great shape but only a d3 athlete for MSJ playing football and golf. I tore my ACL in January and was playing football in August. Then I retore my ACL in late October and was playing golf in March. Sumner is 10 times the athlete I was I bet he is 110% for November

That was 11 years ago and docs are even way better now. He will be fine

Problem is he apparently needs shoulder surgery too and cant have it until June.

[whopper]

It was an honor to be in a game on March 25 with the CBS March Madness intro music (very smooth). It will be about 9 months or so till we are back with the frenetic Fox Sports intro music but the CBS was fun while it lasted all the way to the quarter finals. Hope to hear it one more game(or more) next year. I have been whistling the CBS music at work all week

[stammina0721]

Problem is he apparently needs shoulder surgery too and cant have it until June.

Really? Why June

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really? Why June

That was just the rumor due to having to start the knee rehab. Hard to have to rehab both right away.

Again I have not heard that is a definite but that was the rumor when he went out with the ACL.

[Harryfe]

If he needs shoulder surgery he would have had it by now. No reason he can't rehab both just could be a slower rehab for both.

[XfansinKy]

I don't see any reason why we aren't rooting for X again this time next year with Scruggs and Marshall. Scruggs has a huge knee brace on but looks great and Marshall runs the court like a 6'6 deer with big muscles. Both top 50 recruits.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If he needs shoulder surgery he would have had it by now. No reason he can't rehab both just could be a slower rehab for both.

There are plenty of reasons.

[mistabeecee41]

if Tre leaves, i think Mack will be aggressive in the grad transfer market. i think 2 years has shown us Kaiser is a stretch 4, not a 3. Without Tre, we'll be relying on Naji/Ridder to fill that void.

[XUFan09]

If he needs shoulder surgery he would have had it by now. No reason he can't rehab both just could be a slower rehab for both.
Sumner is on crutches right now, which means that his shoulders are getting a lot of work. Common sense says that he needs to be off crutches before he can do shoulder surgery.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

Sumner is on crutches right now, which means that his shoulders are getting a lot of work. Common sense says that he needs to be off crutches before he can do shoulder surgery.

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Bingo.

[ArcherXU]

Tre was extremely emotional after the game. Like a senior. Not like Wisconsin-disbelief emotional...like a last game in a Xavier uniform emotional. I can't blame the guy. Best player in the tourney before tonight. Get your money. But wouldn't be mad if you stayed.

I would bet my bottom dollar on Tre leaving, and wish him all the best. But the money will be Euro or D-league. Snow said on their podcast at scout that he was leaving after this year and he was probably going to be undrafted but with his tourney performance he might go as high as mid second now. I know the argument with Tre is he can't play himself into the first round with another year at X but I don't understand why. He is a great scorer but inconsistent at times. Have him put together a whole season of consistent play.... why isn't he first round material?

I also readily accept I sit on a couch and yell at refs through my tv screen so what do I know.

[ArcherXU]

Sumner is on crutches right now, which means that his shoulders are getting a lot of work. Common sense says that he needs to be off crutches before he can do shoulder surgery.

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Get the man a wheelchair then!!!.........

[AviatorX]

After the 1500+ points in 3 ultra successful (in many different fashions) seasons and scorching run to end this year, Tre could sign with a Siberian team tomorrow and I'd love the guy.

Let's not forget how important a signing he represented and how things looked at the time.

I have a feeling he will get some run in the league one day. For now, go get paid.

Personally, could not be more excited about Q's future with this experience under his belt. He is going to be a monster and with Scruggs and Naji waiting in the wings, X is going to have a downright tough and nasty defensive backcourt.

[XfansinKy]

Brady Ernst had a really good season and says he's 100%. I've seen him listed as big as 6'10 230. Elias Harden's high school team looked almost like a small college squad. He gets his shot off off the dribble whenever he wants. Obviously going to the elite 8 isn't a given, but I see no reason why they can't make another run next year with or without Ed or Tre. With makes it more of a probability imo. Tre is a lot better than I thought but Ed is a legit NBA starter if he's healthy for long.

[stammina0721]

If Ed comes back he needs to play the 2 Q at the point

[XfansinKy]

If Ed comes back he needs to play the 2 Q at the point

I don't say this about recruits often but Paul Scruggs may be a starter that needs big minutes by years end too. Where do you put him?

[stammina0721]

I would bet my bottom dollar on Tre leaving, and wish him all the best. But the money will be Euro or D-league. Snow said on their podcast at scout that he was leaving after this year and he was probably going to be undrafted but with his tourney performance he might go as high as mid second now. I know the argument with Tre is he can't play himself into the first round with another year at X but I don't understand why. He is a great scorer but inconsistent at times. Have him put together a whole season of consistent play.... why isn't he first round material?

I also readily accept I sit on a couch and yell at refs through my tv screen so what do I know.
The answer is his body. I know he ha worked hard at it but he still doesn't have the physical numbers to get there yet. Tre is a great player but at his size he just doesn't have the necessary foot speed to stay in front of fast wings and he will get posted up a lot by bigger guys

To me Tre is a player without a position in the NBA. I would compare him to a 255lb DE in the NFL draft like 10 years ago. Too small to play DE and to slow to play LB. Your typical "tweener" player who wouldn't get drafted high cause no one knew where to play the kid. That is what Tre is. He is a great talent with no real position in the NBA. He is a tweener and that is why he won't get drafted higher.

Please someone say something if you think I'm crazy with this comparison.

[XUFan09]

Tre is about average size for an NBA shooting guard, but you're right that he doesn't have the foot speed for that position. He would be undersized for an NBA small forward and frankly still would lack the foot speed to guard some of those players.

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[Masterofreality]

The answer is his body. I know he ha worked hard at it but he still doesn't have the physical numbers to get there yet. Tre is a great player but at his size he just doesn't have the necessary foot speed to stay in front of fast wings and he will get posted up a lot by bigger guys

To me Tre is a player without a position in the NBA. I would compare him to a 255lb DE in the NFL draft like 10 years ago. Too small to play DE and to slow to play LB. Your typical "tweener" player who wouldn't get drafted high cause no one knew where to play the kid. That is what Tre is. He is a great talent with no real position in the NBA. He is a tweener and that is why he won't get drafted higher.

Please someone say something if you think I'm crazy with this comparison.

This. Right on...and I see A LOT of NBA..with YOUR 2016 NBA World Champion Cleeeeeeeeeeeeeeveland Caaaaaaaaavaaaaaaalieeeeeeers!!!

[Tardy Turtle]

Biggest question will be if Tardy Turtle needs a liver transplant mid-season or can he get through the end of the year?


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[SemajParlor]

There's always a need for a shooter.

[Xville]

I would bet my bottom dollar on Tre leaving, and wish him all the best. But the money will be Euro or D-league. Snow said on their podcast at scout that he was leaving after this year and he was probably going to be undrafted but with his tourney performance he might go as high as mid second now. I know the argument with Tre is he can't play himself into the first round with another year at X but I don't understand why. He is a great scorer but inconsistent at times. Have him put together a whole season of consistent play.... why isn't he first round material?

I also readily accept I sit on a couch and yell at refs through my tv screen so what do I know.

He's not first round because he is a tweener who by nba standards is below average athletically. He can't guard a 2 in the NBA and that is the position he would have to play based on his height. I don't understand how people can watch college basketball and not realize there are a lot of Tres out there. I love the kid as a xavier player but some people need to take the blue colored glasses off and realize that by nba standards, he's nothing special.

[Caveat]

He's not first round because he is a tweener who by nba standards is below average athletically. He can't guard a 2 in the NBA and that is the position he would have to play based on his height. I don't understand how people can watch college basketball and not realize there are a lot of Tres out there. I love the kid as a xavier player but some people need to take the blue colored glasses off and realize that by nba standards, he's nothing special.

People who don't watch the NBA, or who have this misguided notion of the NBA as a league where everyone just goes through the motions, don't understand how important defense is in the league. If you can't guard your position, it doesn't matter how elite your scoring skills are. It's why Jimmer Fredette is league MVP in China.

[Xavier]

I agree I don't think tre is NBA guy. But a ton of players in the league can't guard their position. (Harden, Korver off top of my head)

[Lloyd Braun]

If you can't guard your position in the NBA you must have an elite skill or talent, meaning top 5-10 in the league at something. Love Tre but it's an uphill battle to make it to the NBA and stay there.

[Caveat]

I agree I don't think tre is NBA guy. But a ton of players in the league can't guard their position. (Harden, Korver off top of my head)

The difference being that guys like Harden COULD guard their position (based on sheer athletic ability) but often choose not to -- Tre physically lacks the tools to guard at an NBA level.

[Xavier]

What about Korver? I'm not sure he can guard any small forward (his position)

[ArcherXU]

He's not first round because he is a tweener who by nba standards is below average athletically. He can't guard a 2 in the NBA and that is the position he would have to play based on his height. I don't understand how people can watch college basketball and not realize there are a lot of Tres out there. I love the kid as a xavier player but some people need to take the blue colored glasses off and realize that by nba standards, he's nothing special.

Define a lot of Tre's out there, because I disagree with that. His shooting ability wouldn't be that spectacular if there were. Just sayin.

I understand defense is his weakness, but I always thought with his size an NBA team would find him serviceable for a handful of quality minutes. Reason behind that being how important a clutch shooter can be. Just look at New Orleans, they had 0 offense so they trade for Cousins and now Crawford is getting a 6th chance due to his shooting ability. Can't only jump or run your way to a title.

I understand using Jimmer as a comparison but in my mind it's the wrong one for height and length alone, which is the only attribute of Tre's I thought he had going for him when it came to having a chance of life in the league, albeit a slim one. He doesn't have immense strength and isn't 6'8, but his 6'5 to 6'6 is good enough for limited minutes with hopes of a few quick buckets.

The NBA is all about athleticism nowadays though I do accept that.(Opposed to great shooting skill that is)

[stammina0721]

Define a lot of Tre's out there, because I disagree with that. His shooting ability wouldn't be that spectacular if there were. Just sayin.

I understand defense is his weakness, but I always thought with his size an NBA team would find him serviceable for a handful of quality minutes. Reason behind that being how important a clutch shooter can be. Just look at New Orleans, they had 0 offense so they trade for Cousins and now Crawford is getting a 6th chance due to his shooting ability. Can't only jump or run your way to a title.

I understand using Jimmer as a comparison but in my mind it's the wrong one for height and length alone, which is the only attribute of Tre's I thought he had going for him when it came to having a chance of life in the league, albeit a slim one. He doesn't have immense strength and isn't 6'8, but his 6'5 to 6'6 is good enough for limited minutes with hopes of a few quick buckets.

The NBA is all about athleticism nowadays though I do accept that.(Opposed to great shooting skill that is)

Go to some of the hustle games on the streets in NYC, LA, attend the And 1 tours and so on to see the other guys like Tre. There are a lot.

[stammina0721]

However, I'll say Tre could have a chance as a niche guy like a Kyle Korver has now. He would do well on a team like San Antonio, Cleveland cause he could do one job. He would horribly fail on a team like Boston or Indiana

[SemajParlor]

Go to some of the hustle games on the streets in NYC, LA, attend the And 1 tours and so on to see the other guys like Tre. There are a lot.

When's game 1 of the 2017-18 season?