Crean Out At IU

[Get Real]

May have some ramifications as Mack will likely be a target.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/indiana-fires-tom-crean-after-nine-seasons-on-heels-of-nit-exit/

[ChicagoX]

I bet they hire Archie Miller away from Dayton.

[xu82]

I bet they hire Archie Miller away from Dayton.

I hope so, leave us out of it!

[GoMuskies]

Gregg Marshall to Indiana. Pat Kelsey follows a familiar path to Shocker State.

[American X]

Fire Tom Crean (wherever he goes next)!

[Muskie1]

They'll be looking at Alford

[muskieindent]

They'll be looking at Alford

Let's hope so but does he need Bobby's blessing to do that? Or did he fall out with Knight too? I think Mack would take it if offered

[Muskie]

Mack is so far down the list right now. I've not heard him mentioned locally at all. Archie, Marshall, Stevens, and Alford are the talk of the town


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[mid major]

Mack is so far down the list right now. I've not heard him mentioned locally at all. Archie, Marshall, Stevens, and Alford are the talk of the town


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Let's keep it that way.

[bleedXblue]

Let's hope so but does he need Bobby's blessing to do that? Or did he fall out with Knight too? I think Mack would take it if offered

What?

[bleedXblue]

Mack is so far down the list right now. I've not heard him mentioned locally at all. Archie, Marshall, Stevens, and Alford are the talk of the town


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Stevens? You're kidding right?

[AviatorX]

Let's hope so but does he need Bobby's blessing to do that? Or did he fall out with Knight too? I think Mack would take it if offered

Alford is very obviously interested in the job. RMK's blessing or not. The more important question is how interested IU is in Alford.

And yeah, I think Mack would take IU in about 5 seconds.

[GoMuskies]

Stevens? You're kidding right?

Oh, they'll call Stevens and Donovan. They have to. Then they'll move on to real candidates.

[Woodburn]

Mack is so far down the list right now. I've not heard him mentioned locally at all. Archie, Marshall, Stevens, and Alford are the talk of the town


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Zach Osterman mentioned him in the same category as Archie Miller here: http://www.indystar.com/get-access/?return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indystar.com%2Fstory%2Fsp orts%2Fcollege%2Findiana%2F2017%2F03%2F16%2Flookin g-potential-iu-coaching-candidates%2F98978304%2F

[klark]

Just read an article that has Stevens, Mack, and Miller in that order as who Indiana should go after. The recommendation according to this source said they should choose Mack or Miller. The prediction is Alford. They also mention Travis Steele coming with Mack because of his strong recruiting.

[AviatorX]

Just read an article that has Stevens, Mack, and Miller in that order as who Indiana should go after. The recommendation according to this source said they should choose Mack or Miller. The prediction is Alford. They also mention Travis Steele coming with Mack because of his strong recruiting.

That's actually an interesting wrinkle to the potential Mack/IU situation. Steele would have to be the heavy favorite to get the X job. Does that make Mack less attractive to IU specifically? Hopefully we won't have to find out this year.

[Muskie]

Zach Osterman mentioned him in the same category as Archie Miller here: http://www.indystar.com/get-access/?return=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.indystar.com%2Fstory%2Fsp orts%2Fcollege%2Findiana%2F2017%2F03%2F16%2Flookin g-potential-iu-coaching-candidates%2F98978304%2F Thanks. Hadn't looked in the Star this morning.

[muskieindent]

Can't see Stevens leaving Boston since they might start contending. Marshall and Miller would be great choices.If you're Alford,do you leave UCLA ? He's got a good thing going there or is he a Midwestern guy who can't turn down the alma mater?

[muethibp]

Stevens isn't leaving. He's said as much and a coach would be insane to leave the Celtics now - they are on the doorstep of a lot of success.

It will come down to Mack or Miller, both of whom take the job if offered.

[Muskie1]

Alford is from new castle, IN. One of his assistant coaches is also from IN and played at IU. I could see this as a potential easy choice for him if it's offered

[AviatorX]

Alford is from new castle, IN. One of his assistant coaches is also from IN and played at IU. I could see this as a potential easy choice for him if it's offered

Yeah obviously Alford is an all time IU great as well. The assistant is Ed Schilling, former head coach at Park Tudor, the high school that produced Yogi Ferrell and Trevon Bluiett. They also have 5 star Indy native Kris Wilkes signed up for next season.

[muethibp]

Alford's UCLA buyout is almost $8 million. And they probably had to pay Crean $3 million to leave. Can you really justify spending $11 million to change from Crean to Alford?

[Muskie]

Alford's UCLA buyout is almost $8 million. And they probably had to pay Crean $3 million to leave. Can you really justify spending $11 million to change from Crean to Alford?I'm sure there are some alums that will gladly pick up the buy out on Crean if it means getting Alford.

[bleedXblue]

If you're Alford, do you hold any resentment for them not coming after you when he was at New Mexico and they hired Crean b/c he was the hot coach at the time?

[joe titan]

Notwithstanding any & all circumstances which led to Crean's ouster, any AD worth his salt would not possibly make such move at this time unless he had a very solid planned candidate in hand and whatever monies necessary to negotiate a severance package with Crean. AD Glass' statement that no search firm is being enlisted further suggests he is already finalizing his choice.

[scoscox]

Notwithstanding any & all circumstances which led to Crean's ouster, any AD worth his salt would not possibly make such move at this time unless he had a very solid planned candidate in hand and whatever monies necessary to negotiate a severance package with Crean. AD Glass' statement that no search firm is being enlisted further suggests he is already finalizing his choice.

Also, there was an article about Alford being very interested in the IU job earlier this week.

[paulxu]

Notwithstanding any & all circumstances which led to Crean's ouster, any AD worth his salt would not possibly make such move at this time unless he had a very solid planned candidate in hand and whatever monies necessary to negotiate a severance package with Crean. AD Glass' statement that no search firm is being enlisted further suggests he is already finalizing his choice.

So you think he already has his guy, and that guy has accepted, and we're just waiting for the tournament to be over?

[stammina0721]

At some point you have to consider what makes sense. Yes, Alford is an alum but while it is hard to imagine he is in a better place. UCLA is a better historic program and a bigger name than IU. IU is a step down from UCLA. Why would anyone take a step down especially when he is on the cusp of being special at UCLA with a top notch class coming in next year? It just makes zero sense to give that up cause you "went to the school."

[stammina0721]

On a side note, why is Mark Few never mentioned anymore? How is Gonzaga able to just keep him in that horrible conference? I rarely even hear his name considered for any opening

[GoMuskies]

On a side note, why is Mark Few never mentioned anymore? How is Gonzaga able to just keep him in that horrible conference? I rarely even hear his name considered for any opening

His name isn't mentioned because he's made it clear he doesn't want to leave. In the last 5 years, they've had two #1 seeds and a #2 seed. The WCC obviously isn't holding them back.

[AviatorX]

At some point you have to consider what makes sense. Yes, Alford is an alum but while it is hard to imagine he is in a better place. UCLA is a better historic program and a bigger name than IU. IU is a step down from UCLA. Why would anyone take a step down especially when he is on the cusp of being special at UCLA with a top notch class coming in next year? It just makes zero sense to give that up cause you "went to the school."

UCLA was very bad just one year ago and Alford had to give some money back to appease the boosters. Ball isn't coming back and he'll never enjoy the prodigal son status at UCLA he could have at IU. I don't think the national media is guessing with all these articles pimping Alford for the IU job. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he was at IU next season. As I've said, the bigger question is does Glass want him?

[joe titan]

So you think he already has his guy, and that guy has accepted, and we're just waiting for the tournament to be over?

The guy probably has been identified but I would believe the details need to be ironed out a bit; but I do not think they will wait until the tournament concludes b/c IU needs to protect recruits and roster. Remember when Bill Freider left TTUN to take ASU job & announced such immediately prior to NCAA tournament ? IDK how many ADs would have the fortitude to replace a sitting coach pronto ( and highly doubt UCLA AD is one such).

[stammina0721]

His name isn't mentioned because he's made it clear he doesn't want to leave. In the last 5 years, they've had two #1 seeds and a #2 seed. The WCC obviously isn't holding them back.

Shouldn't matter. Say what I think is impossible happens. Say Alford goes to IU. Your telling me Mark Few doesn't go to UCLA if the come calling?

[GoMuskies]

Shouldn't matter. Say what I think is impossible happens. Say Alford goes to IU. Your telling me Mark Few doesn't go to UCLA if the come calling?

If Few wanted to go to UCLA, he'd have gone to UCLA by now.

[stammina0721]

UCLA was very bad just one year ago and Alford had to give some money back to appease the boosters. Ball isn't coming back and he'll never enjoy the prodigal son status at UCLA he could have at IU. I don't think the national media is guessing with all these articles pimping Alford for the IU job. I wouldn't be shocked at all if he was at IU next season. As I've said, the bigger question is does Glass want him?

I just look at he is a National Title contender right now with a top 3 class coming in next year. In addition UCLA is a bigger name and program than IU. I know if it were me I'd have to fired from that position before ever considering leaving unless either U.K., Duke or UNC came calling. Those are the only 3 jobs that are better

[stammina0721]

If Few wanted to go to UCLA, he'd have gone to UCLA by now.

Not disagreeing with you. My question to the thread though is why has he not gone elsewhere? What is Gonzaga doing to keep their coach that other bigger programs can't?

[xu82]

Few can call his deal, and I kind of wish he would because I'd like to see how it turns out.

[GoMuskies]

Not disagreeing with you. My question to the thread though is why has he not gone elsewhere? What is Gonzaga doing to keep their coach that other bigger programs can't?

They just got a guy who's happy to be where he is. He's already got a powerhouse program. There's no reason for him to leave unless he simply wants more money. If he's satisfied financially and is happy where he is, why complicate your life unnecessarily?

[GoMuskies]

If I were a top basketball coach with the choice between IU and UCLA, I'd take IU 100 times out of 100. And I hate IU. It's a basketball school. UCLA, despite its tradition, really is not.

[stammina0721]

Does anyone know his salary? I'd imagine a major program would be more than happy to double what he is making now

[stammina0721]

If I were a top basketball coach with the choice between IU and UCLA, I'd take IU 100 times out of 100. And I hate IU. It's a basketball school. UCLA, despite its tradition, really is not.

This is where we have to disagree. When I think UCLA I think basketball first and foremost. In addition, give me the weather and beach over snow and living anywhere in Indiana haha.

[AviatorX]

Does anyone know his salary? I'd imagine a major program would be more than happy to double what he is making now

Few loves the Pacific Northwest and relative low pressure of the Zags job.

Being the IU coach in Bloomington or the U.K. coach in Lexington is a special kind of pressure. A lot of really good coaches probably don't want that.

[sirthought]

Few is just happy at Gonzaga. I would agree that if he can recruit there, is happy with his bosses, and feels they have a chance to stay on the positive side of winning, there is no reason for him to go anywhere and screw that up. He's building his own legacy.

No chance in TODAY's world is IU a better job than UCLA. The conferences really equal out. The weather and region are much easier to recruit to at UCLA. The money isn't an issue. Pressure exists at UCLA, but there's nothing but pressure at IU and if you lose there you are sunk. Alford has already worked his way to the top.

Here's what CBS wrote:

Sources told CBS Sports that Indiana will pursue A-list candidates from a list that could include Wichita State’s Gregg Marshall, Dayton’s Archie Miller, Xavier’s Chris Mack, Butler’s Chris Holtmann, Virginia’s Tony Bennett, UCLA’s Steve Alford, Baylor’s Scott Drew and Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin. Among the names not expected to emerge: Brad Stevens.

[muethibp]

Few is just happy at Gonzaga. I would agree that if he can recruit there, is happy with his bosses, and feels they have a chance to stay on the positive side of winning, there is no reason for him to go anywhere and screw that up. He's building his own legacy.

No chance in TODAY's world is IU a better job than UCLA. The conferences really equal out. The weather and region are much easier to recruit to at UCLA. The money isn't an issue. Pressure exists at UCLA, but there's nothing but pressure at IU and if you lose there you are sunk. Alford has already worked his way to the top.

Here's what CBS wrote:

Not sure A-list means what they think it means.

[sirthought]

I think Mack and Cronin would take a strong look, but Miller, Holtman, and Drew would really be better to step up to it. I don't see Bennett moving.

[sirthought]

Not sure A-list means what they think it means.

Why? All of those coaches have been consistent winning coaches.

[Nigel Tufnel]

A lot of talk on the IU message boards that Billy Donovan is going to be the next head coach. I have no idea why he would leave Russell Westbrook for the mess in Bloomington, but there are a lot of posters there who are confident it's going to happen. Really confident.

[stammina0721]

A lot of talk on the IU message boards that Billy Donovan is going to be the next head coach. I have no idea why he would leave Russell Westbrook for the mess in Bloomington, but there are a lot of posters there who are confident it's going to happen. Really confident.

I'd say no chance for Billy. Whoever IU hires will be a current college coach. Who that is is anyone's guess

[AviatorX]

A lot of talk on the IU message boards that Billy Donovan is going to be the next head coach. I have no idea why he would leave Russell Westbrook for the mess in Bloomington, but there are a lot of posters there who are confident it's going to happen. Really confident.

For what it's worth, a lot of those same guys had the timing on the firing nailed and even scooped the Scout guys who last night/early this morning were saying it looked like Crean was staying. Still don't think Donovan will come, but I guess you never know.

[stammina0721]

I think IU fans thinking it's Billy are fans who overestimate the relevance of their program. Now don't read that wrong, that is not me saying Indiana is irrelevant. However, it is me saying that an NBA job coaching Russell Westbrook is better than any college job. Just my opinion though.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I think IU fans thinking it's Billy are fans who overestimate the relevance of their program. Now don't read that wrong, that is not me saying Indiana is irrelevant. However, it is me saying that an NBA job coaching Russell Westbrook is better than any college job. Just my opinion though.

Have you read their boards? Aviator is right. The dudes who are posting it's Donovan had inside info on the firing. He's right. They nailed it. The Donovan posters aren't fanboys...they appear to be well informed.

Whether it happens or not...no idea. But I didn't get the impression it was wishful thinking by a delirious fan.

[AviatorX]

I think IU fans thinking it's Billy are fans who overestimate the relevance of their program. Now don't read that wrong, that is not me saying Indiana is irrelevant. However, it is me saying that an NBA job coaching Russell Westbrook is better than any college job. Just my opinion though.

No question. For any NBA guy to come back to college willingly, it's making a choice that you prefer college coaching, not that it's a better job.

[AviatorX]

Have you read their boards? Aviator is right. The dudes who are posting it's Donovan had inside info on the firing. He's right. They nailed it. The Donovan posters aren't fanboys...they appear to be well informed.

Whether it happens or not...no idea. But I didn't get the impression it was wishful thinking by a delirious fan.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole in his presser today Glass said something like if our next guy is coaching in "the league" or the tournament we might have to wait a bit. I think it's a long shot but not an absolute no chance like most have it painted.

If somehow Donovan ended up on the sidelines in Bloomington, I think a lot of people questioning the program's relevance would be eating their words. He would have it rolling.

[Nigel Tufnel]

If you are IU and you are going to take that buy out hit, don't you already know who your coach is going to be? I think they already got their guy.

[stammina0721]

If you are IU and you are going to take that buy out hit, don't you already know who your coach is going to be? I think they already got their guy.

This makes a lot of sense. It's why I said it has to be a college guy. They just want to wait for that guys' season to end

[Masterofreality]

Timing is a problem with the Donovan speculation. Does anyone really think that IU will wait until May, after the Thunder are eliminated from the NBA playoffs? That is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG dead period, and no way the Hoosier minions will stand for that.

No way that it would be announced during the playoffs or now because the Thunder is competitive and they don't want guys quitting on their coach, knowing he's blowing out on them.

Hard for me to see it.

[stammina0721]

Have you read their boards? Aviator is right. The dudes who are posting it's Donovan had inside info on the firing. He's right. They nailed it. The Donovan posters aren't fanboys...they appear to be well informed.

Whether it happens or not...no idea. But I didn't get the impression it was wishful thinking by a delirious fan.

I have not read their board. I just know how some fans are and was just assuming. Even if they were right about the firing I don't think there is even a 1% chance Donovan ends up in Bloomington. To me all pro jobs are better than college jobs cause you don't have to worry about a regulating body like the NCAA, number of phone calls, emails, boosters etc....

[AviatorX]

Timing is a problem with the Donovan speculation. Does anyone really think that IU will wait until May, after the Thunder are eliminated from the NBA playoffs? That is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG dead period, and no way the Hoosier minions will stand for that.

No way that it would be announced during the playoffs or now because the Thunder is competitive and they don't want guys quitting on their coach, knowing he's blowing out on them.

Hard for me to see it.

Yeah, I don't think they would wait that long unless it was clear through back channels Billy was the guy. Although you can't be too sure with Billy until he is literally on your sidelines. Just ask the Magic.

[AviatorX]

I have not read their board. I just know how some fans are and was just assuming. Even if they were right about the firing I don't think there is even a 1% chance Donovan ends up in Bloomington. To me all pro jobs are better than college jobs cause you don't have to worry about a regulating body like the NCAA, number of phone calls, emails, boosters etc....


Definitely true. But to play devil's advocate, if Westbrook walks when his deal is up, you are now coach of a team in probably the least desirable market for free agents with little control of your roster makeup.

[drudy23]

IU is starving to be basketball royalty again. It's a great job for the person who thinks they can take them back there. Better than UCLA.

[stammina0721]

Definitely true. But to play devil's advocate, if Westbrook walks when his deal is up, you are now coach of a team in probably the least desirable market for free agents with little control of your roster makeup.

Still an NBA job and you don't have the hassles of the NCAA to deal with. I'm just in the camp of saying any pro job is better than a college job for that reason. Even in football I think the Cleveland Browns is a better job than Alabama.

[scoscox]

Still an NBA job and you don't have the hassles of the NCAA to deal with. I'm just in the camp of saying any pro job is better than a college job for that reason. Even in football I think the Cleveland Browns is a better job than Alabama.

Well, Saban disagrees. There are plenty of coaches who prefer coaching in college to the league in both sports just for the amount of control they are given over all aspects of the program and coaching college kids as opposed to pros. Job security is higher in college as well. Not to say you're wrong, but the opposing sentiment is certainly pretty popular among a lot of coaches.

Also, you'd think IU would have their man set up. I'd think the chances of Mack being offered are low. I hope so. And while it does seem a little ridiculous that Alford would leave UCLA for any job he has said he's interested strongly in the job, which I thought was an incredible statement to make.

[AviatorX]

Still an NBA job and you don't have the hassles of the NCAA to deal with. I'm just in the camp of saying any pro job is better than a college job for that reason. Even in football I think the Cleveland Browns is a better job than Alabama.

100%. Like I said, if Donovan makes the move it's because he's not in that camp. Not because IU is a better job than OKC.

[vee4xu]

The job at Archie's alma mater is open. I suspect they'll take a good run at him. Whether Archies wants it or not, is another story. But, they'll run hard at him. NC State is a tough job with UNC and Duke so close by. Also, to a lesser extent, Wake.

[GoMuskies]

Duke used to be a tough job because of NC State.

[jaxalum]

If you are IU and you are going to take that buy out hit, don't you already know who your coach is going to be? I think they already got their guy.

Nigel, I know his buyout fluctuates between 1-4 million. I'm asking because I'm hoping you are right and that they already have their man. I thought the buyout was cheaper the faster Crean was let go? Why do you think they already have their man? Much appreciated

[MADXSTER]

So who replaces Crean?

Bryce Drew
Mick Cronin
Chris Holtman
Bob Huggins
Sean Miller
Chris Mack
Billy Donovan
Fred Hoiberg
Steve Alford
Archie Miller
Brad Stephens

I'm going with Chris Holtman

[AviatorX]

So who replaces Crean?

Bryce Drew
Mick Cronin
Chris Holtman
Bob Huggins
Sean Miller
Chris Mack
Billy Donovan
Fred Hoiberg
Steve Alford
Archie Miller
Brad Stephens

I'm going with Chris Holtman

Billy D or Alford. Based on the presser yesterday, I think if IU has to go beyond their first tier they'll really prefer an IU guy and Alford seems to really want it. Can't imagine it trickling down to Holtman.

[gladdenguy]

Ha. Indiana fans would riot if it was Chris Holtman

[Masterofreality]

The job at Archie's alma mater is open. I suspect they'll take a good run at him. Whether Archies wants it or not, is another story. But, they'll run hard at him. NC State is a tough job with UNC and Duke so close by. Also, to a lesser extent, Wake.

Not any more. Kevin Keatts

[smileyy]

Not any more. Kevin Keatts

Pretty surprised by this.

[AviatorX]

FWIW (probably not much), a lot of the various IU message board guys with "sources" who pretty much nailed the timing of Crean being ousted (in the face of a lot of journalists who were reporting he'd be back) are still absolutely adamant it will be Donovan. Beats me.

[American X]

I know the perfect replacement for Tom Crean:


http://www.businessbee.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/24534/Dwight-Schrute-Business-Advice.jpg

[paulxu]

Not any more. Kevin Keatts

I'm surprised by this.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty surprised by this.


I'm surprised by this.

A LOT of people down there think that Keatts is a rising star and he knows the North Carolina recruiting trails. Not surprised.

[Masterofreality]

What I WILL Be surprised about is A) If Billy Donovan becomes coach at Indiana. B) If Brad Stevens becomes coach at Indiana. C) If Archie Miller or Steve Alford is NOT the Coach at Indiana.

To me the only way Miller stays in the vast dump wasteland is if he doesn't get a legitimate Big Time Offer. His star is going to fall at Cryerland because they have zero coming back. Xerius is not going to become Jordan Sibert reincarnated and the A10 is going to suck harder next year.

Time will tell, but I'm feeling Arch Miller in Bloomington.

[JTG]

Stevens at IU is a delusional IU fan pipe dream. I could see Miller at Illinois, and Alford at IU. Alford is worshipped in Indiana all most as much as Knight. I think the AD has been told by the IU high rollers to get an Indiana guy. An outside shot might be Dane Fife, former IU player and current assistant to Tom Izzo.

[bleedXblue]

IU wants a BIG name. They see themselves in the same circles as UL, UK, etc. No way is Dane Fife there. Archie...no. Mack...no. Donovan or Alford.....yes if they can attract them.

[gladdenguy]

Most of the IU fanbase DOES NOT want Alford as the next coach. They are extremely delusional.

Their short list includes Stevens, Donovan, and Marshall is plan C. Anything else and they will be pissed off.

Realistic candidates
Steve Alford - Some posters say he will be handed a blank check. His buyout at UCLA also something like 7.8 million

Bennett - not talked about much

Archie Miller - Fanbase not too high on him

Holtman - they laugh at him

I have not seen one fan mention Chris Mack. Only Sports Illustrated and other media outlets who just assume for article sake.

[paulxu]

Time will tell, but I'm feeling Arch Miller in Bloomington.

You may be right, but I just don't think he's built the track record he needs.
If he goes, it'll be like Shaka, before the bloom is off his catching magic for one week.

[LA Muskie]

This is where we have to disagree. When I think UCLA I think basketball first and foremost. In addition, give me the weather and beach over snow and living anywhere in Indiana haha.

UCLA is more a basketball school than a football school. That is true. But coaches have egos, and LA hasn't much cared about UCLA basketball since Wooden retired. Seriously, there is a (very) small subset of die-hard alums, but it's about as meaningful as a high school team to the rest of the city. It still has a great national reputation, obviously, but back at home I imagine a coach would be frustrated.


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[stammina0721]

I put up a thread last night and now it is gone. It was not moved. It was not edited. It was outright deleted. What is the deal? There was no curse words, name calling or anything offensive. The only thing it did was ask a question on whether this win moves Mack to the top of Indiana's list and it got censored. I hope that was a mistake and that level of censorship is not condoned on this site. I'd like an admin to get and explain why that thread was taken down

[waggy]

Uh, because no one wants to talk about it now.

[nuts4xu]

No one cares about your crappy thread. Pull up your big boy pants and move on with your life.

[vee4xu]

Agree, irrelevant at the moment. Bigger question is, whether IU is at the top of Mack's list, not other way around as you posited. My hunch is, notwithstanding where Mack is on IU's list, Mack can give a rats ass about IU.

[Muskie]

What was the thread?


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[XUFan09]

What an awful time to talk about something like that. I would get it later this week in the downtime between games, but on the night of a massive win? Have a little tact.

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[LA Muskie]

Meh. Wouldn't be the way I'd want to celebrate. But I don't see the harm in having the thread. We all know how to ignore things on the internet. I hope.


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[AviatorX]

Agree, irrelevant at the moment. Bigger question is, whether IU is at the top of Mack's list, not other way around as you posited. My hunch is, notwithstanding where Mack is on IU's list, Mack can give a rats ass about IU.

Let's be realistic, IU is a hard job to turn down for anyone.

[GoMuskies]

We all know how to ignore things on the internet.

Not me. I take my cues from our Dear Leader. ALL POSSIBLE AFFRONTS MUST BE ANSWERED. BIGLY!

[stammina0721]

Okay relevancy or whether you like it or not does not play a factor. Timing wasn't the best but that doesn't change the principle. If you don't like it then just ignore it and it drops from page 1 into the doldrums never to be seen again. It shouldn't be removed though.

And the only reason I posted it was I just thought it would be an interesting question to pose to the group. My buddy and I were having some celebratory drinks when he brought it up so I put the thought on here. No harm intended

Muskie the thread was titled, "The scariest part."

[waggy]

I would just ban your silly ass.

[stammina0721]

I would just ban your silly ass.

Lol if your going fishing your gonna need better bait

[waggy]

Yeah, it's Me that's trolling...

[markchal]

Meh. Wouldn't be the way I'd want to celebrate. But I don't see the harm in having the thread. We all know how to ignore things on the internet. I hope.


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totally agree with this. It's weird if that's what you want to talk about the moment after one of our biggest tourney wins in 5+ years, but who cares? When you have a level of success, you're always going to have teams that want your coach. That's the sign of a good program (at a school with less-than cash reserves). It's hard to deny anyone a higher prestige job where they can double their salary immediately, so if he's offered it and wants it, I wish him the best.

These things aren't worth worrying about until it's a done deal IMO.

[stammina0721]

totally agree with this. It's weird if that's what you want to talk about the moment after one of our biggest tourney wins in 5+ years, but who cares? When you have a level of success, you're always going to have teams that want your coach. That's the sign of a good program (at a school with less-than cash reserves). It's hard to deny anyone a higher prestige job where they can double their salary immediately, so if he's offered it and wants it, I wish him the best.

These things aren't worth worrying about until it's a done deal IMO.

Hey like I said I just posed it cause my buddy and I were out celebrating with a few drinks and he is an IU guy and brought it up. Just thought his idea was interesting to bring up. But like I said, no harm was intended

[GoMuskies]

Probably no harm was intended by deleting the thread either. So all is well.

[Emp]

Yeah, it's Me that's trolling...

If the shoe fits. Taking down the thread is chickshit.

Seriously, I had the same thought, along with my euphoria: more than one school is going to be coming after Mack. Hard. It is scary for Xavier fans. Reality tempers our gladitude.

I also had the thought of whether MOR is already coming up with a Beaknose/RacoonEyes sobriquet for Mack if he takes one of the heavily baited hooks, and leaves. I'm hoping we can be more gracious the next time we lose a coach.

On the merits, why would Mack leave the studs he has coming back and coming in -- even losing both Tre and Ed -- to rescue some Glory Days U? The timing isnt right.

[Irishjohn68]

Coach Mack as bigger things to worry about, like beating Arizona.

[X-band '01]

I'm sure IU fans are still pouting that boy wonder Brad Stevens wants nothing to do with that job right now.

What WOULD be interesting would be if they make a run at Sean Miller instead of Archie Miller. If he were to take that job, Xavier's pipeline into Indiana recruits would get thinner.

[vee4xu]

Let's be realistic, IU is a hard job to turn down for anyone.

Really, why would Mack go to IU? He already recruits better in Indiana than IU, has a better track record both in and post season. There are better jobs that may get Mack's attention, namely Louisville and UK. The only thing that is better about the IU job versus Xavier is money, and these days that isn't that big a delta these days. IU hasn't done squat for 30 years and have become a perennial shell of their Bob Knight selves.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Guys, Alford is going to be the number 1 choice. This is his best UCLA team and Ball is going pro this year. The timing is actually right for him to move over. Just like Harbaugh got a second shot at Michigan I see the same could happen here.?

[Snipe]

Guys, Alford is going to be the number 1 choice. This is his best UCLA team and Ball is going pro this year. The timing is actually right for him to move over. Just like Harbaugh got a second shot at Michigan I see the same could happen here.?

Have to agree with AZ Grad.

My brother in law isn't a prominent donor in the millions, but he and his family have given enough to have lower level seats center court. All the buzz right now is about Alford, and they all believe that he will come home where he belongs.

Now nobody mentioned that perhaps Alford might be happy at UCLA, or that Alford might think it is a better job, because in Hoosier-land, the IU job is obviously what Alford wanted all along.

I have followed IU hoops my whole life. My parents were big IU fans. I was a big fan of Robert Montgomery Knight. I would like to see Alford come home too.

Alford is the only thing on their radar right now.

Should Mack be? Probably. And If IU calls, Chris Mack will pick up that phone. That is a phone call that even if you say no it is an honor to take. They consider themselves a Top 5 program and I think they are right. It is big time and big money, and their hoops are legendary.

I am afraid of schools like Louisville and Indiana. But the good thing is that we haven't made a Final Four, and the fans of those schools don't even have Mack on their radar. Think of how Mack recruits here, then think if he was at U of L. But they don't look at it that way. When there was talk of Pitino getting pushed out, Macks name never came up. Crean is a prick but he made the Final Four.

I never want to lose Mack, for the record. I fully support the coach.

[throwbackmuskie]

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[bobbiemcgee]

I think the XHoops policy (rightfully so imho) has been not to talk about coaching changes @ X unless there is actual news on the matter. i.e. Miller flying to AZ, etc. Players and Fans don't want to read speculative hype about their coach leaving in the middle of a Dance run.

[markchal]

I think the XHoops policy (rightfully so imho) has been not to talk about coaching changes @ X unless there is actual news on the matter. i.e. Miller flying to AZ, etc. Players and Fans don't want to read speculative hype about their coach leaving in the middle of a Dance run.

then...don't click the thread? I'm sure plenty of UCLA fans are talking about Alford's ties to the opening.

[AviatorX]

Really, why would Mack go to IU? He already recruits better in Indiana than IU, has a better track record both in and post season. There are better jobs that may get Mack's attention, namely Louisville and UK. The only thing that is better about the IU job versus Xavier is money, and these days that isn't that big a delta these days. IU hasn't done squat for 30 years and have become a perennial shell of their Bob Knight selves.

Well, you kinda glossed over the biggest reason, money. Mack could probably double or even triple his salary at IU. IU has better facilities, resources, recruiting base, prestige you name it. There are still a lot of recruits who would go to a place like IU but not X (See Kris Wilkes in 2017). Imagine how Mack would clean up in Indiana if he was coaching in Bloomington.

Not a knock on Xavier AT ALL, X is a fantastic job as well, but IU is a great job, on court success or lack thereof aside (although even in the Davis/Sampson/Crean era, IU went to the title game, IU was #1 in the country for a stretch and a 1 seed, things X has never matched). How many jobs out there are better? A handful at most. We all hate the Buick/Lexus comparison, but let's be honest, it is easier to consistently field a championship contending team at IU than it is at X. Again, not knocking X, but IU is one of the 10 or so places where I feel it's hard to even debate that point.

I don't think IU will offer the job to Mack this time around, but I really do think if it came to that, it wouldn't be too tough of a decision.

[American X]

I put up a thread last night and now it is gone. It was not moved. It was not edited. It was outright deleted. What is the deal? There was no curse words, name calling or anything offensive. The only thing it did was ask a question on whether this win moves Mack to the top of Indiana's list and it got censored. I hope that was a mistake and that level of censorship is not condoned on this site. I'd like an admin to get and explain why that thread was taken down

I do not recall deleting such a thread. If you wanted to talk about the IU job, you could have just posted a comment in the thread about the IU job. In fact, I am merging this thread with that thread now.

[AviatorX]

I think the XHoops policy (rightfully so imho) has been not to talk about coaching changes @ X unless there is actual news on the matter. i.e. Miller flying to AZ, etc. Players and Fans don't want to read speculative hype about their coach leaving in the middle of a Dance run.

I think you are describing how a reporter at the Enquirer would have to cover the coaching carousel. This is a fan message board.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You guys should venture over to the Georgetown board. You cant even hint at JT3 being fired without it being deleted. They have to talk about it in such a roundabout way for their threads not to get deleted.

[Juice]

You guys should venture over to the Georgetown board. You cant even hint at JT3 being fired without it being deleted. They have to talk about it in such a roundabout way for their threads not to get deleted.

Hahaha, what board is it?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Well, you kinda glossed over the biggest reason, money. Mack could probably double or even triple his salary at IU. IU has better facilities, resources, recruiting base, prestige you name it. There are still a lot of recruits who would go to a place like IU but not X (See Kris Wilkes in 2017). Imagine how Mack would clean up in Indiana if he was coaching in Bloomington.

Not a knock on Xavier AT ALL, X is a fantastic job as well, but IU is a great job, on court success or lack thereof aside (although even in the Davis/Sampson/Crean era, IU went to the title game, IU was #1 in the country for a stretch and a 1 seed, things X has never matched). How many jobs out there are better? A handful at most. We all hate the Buick/Lexus comparison, but let's be honest, it is easier to consistently field a championship contending team at IU than it is at X. Again, not knocking X, but IU is one of the 10 or so places where I feel it's hard to even debate that point.

I don't think IU will offer the job to Mack this time around, but I really do think if it came to that, it wouldn't be too tough of a decision.

Could not disagree more. IU a top job? Nope. Maybe 20 years ago.

[AviatorX]

Could not disagree more. IU a top job? Nope. Maybe 20 years ago.

I feel very confident that basically everyone in the coaching industry disagrees with you. How many jobs are better? People always have a hard time separating how good the team is from how good the job is. I think my position will prove true with the upcoming hire.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hahaha, what board is it?

http://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/

Not sure how many they have but it is the one above also linked at the bottom of our board.

[The Coz]

You guys should venture over to the Georgetown board. You cant even hint at JT3 being fired without it being deleted. They have to talk about it in such a roundabout way for their threads not to get deleted.

oh great, now I have to worry about Georgetown?

[bleedXblue]

Could not disagree more. IU a top job? Nope. Maybe 20 years ago.

IU is without any question a Top 20 job. Great tradition, big pay and rabid fan base. Add to that great facilities.

Now, is it the job it was 25 years ago? Maybe not, but its still a great job.

[American X]

IU is truly a sleeping giant. The right coach could quickly have it back to a top five program.

Calipari at Kentucky level of success might be a stretch, but could definitely approach Pitino reinvigorating Louisville.

[Section 200]

It's interesting how folks have widely different views on how good job Indiana is. I guess that means its in the second tier, below UNC, Duke, UK, Kansas, maybe others. If the Macks enjoy city life, then IU is less attractive since Bloomington is somewhat isolated. Big Ten and Big East are close to equal conferences, with much better road trips in the Big East.

Hopefully we get the cash up high enough that the other factors come into play.

[Muskie]

I've looked through the logs. I don't see that this other thread ever existed. Are you sure you actually hit submit? I mean we were all really "celebratory" last night. Maybe you never submitted it?


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[bleedXblue]

Mack should be one of the best paid coaches in college basketball. I hope with the Sedler money, he's making north of 2 MM a year.

[stammina0721]

I do not recall deleting such a thread. If you wanted to talk about the IU job, you could have just posted a comment in the thread about the IU job. In fact, I am merging this thread with that thread now.

And I am fine with this being moved. I rarely go beyond page one so did not not see this thread. I was just curious if I had somehow done something wrong. Wasn't trying to get on the bad side of people being a new poster and all

[stammina0721]

I've looked through the logs. I don't see that this other thread ever existed. Are you sure you actually hit submit? I mean we were all really "celebratory" last night. Maybe you never submitted it?


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I definitely did and another guy replied to it and I replied to him. Then I woke up and it was gone

[Muskie]

Hmm. I'll keep looking for it then.


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[stammina0721]

Hmm. I'll keep looking for it then.


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I'm sure you have other more important things to do today. My only goal was to make the issue known in case an admin. is stepping beyond their means. It is known now so I'm sure you and other admins are able to know the issue existed and will make sure it doesn't happen again. Besides that enjoy this great Sunday of college hoops!!!

[Muskie]

I'm sure you have other more important things to do today. My only goal was to make the issue known in case an admin. is stepping beyond their means. It is known now so I'm sure you and other admins are able to know the issue existed and will make sure it doesn't happen again. Besides that enjoy this great Sunday of college hoops!!!

There's only two people who can physically remove a thread without notation that it has been deleted (myself and AmX). So I need to figure out if something weird is going on.


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[JTG]

Hey like I said I just posed it cause my buddy and I were out celebrating with a few drinks and he is an IU guy and brought it up. Just thought his idea was interesting to bring up. But like I said, no harm was intended
You need to hang out with better people.

[JTG]

Well, you kinda glossed over the biggest reason, money. Mack could probably double or even triple his salary at IU. IU has better facilities, resources, recruiting base, prestige you name it. There are still a lot of recruits who would go to a place like IU but not X (See Kris Wilkes in 2017). Imagine how Mack would clean up in Indiana if he was coaching in Bloomington.

Not a knock on Xavier AT ALL, X is a fantastic job as well, but IU is a great job, on court success or lack thereof aside (although even in the Davis/Sampson/Crean era, IU went to the title game, IU was #1 in the country for a stretch and a 1 seed, things X has never matched). How many jobs out there are better? A handful at most. We all hate the Buick/Lexus comparison, but let's be honest, it is easier to consistently field a championship contending team at IU than it is at X. Again, not knocking X, but IU is one of the 10 or so places where I feel it's hard to even debate that point.

I don't think IU will offer the job to Mack this time around, but I really do think if it came to that, it wouldn't be too tough of a decision.

Get your facts straight. Assembly Hall is a dump compared to Cintas. Bigger yes, better, not even close. Yes, they have tons of money. I heard Friday, Adidas has agreed to pick up at least half of Alford's $7.5 mil. buyout to get, him to IU. UCLA is switching to Under Armour next year and Adidas would like to keep Alford.

[stammina0721]

You need to hang out with better people.

Agreed lol

[American X]

And I am fine with this being moved. I rarely go beyond page one so did not not see this thread.

I hope everyone knows to use the New Posts button at the top left of the page.

[markchal]

Could not disagree more. IU a top job? Nope. Maybe 20 years ago.

Huh? I think you're either being naive on this. They have a level of support and $ we can never dream of. Mack would more than double his salary there and also be able to pay his assistants way more. I don't know a single thing we have that they don't have more of. Maybe job security, but the type of egos that get into coaching aren't usually trying to find somewhere to be complacent, they are trying for the biggest and the best.

Like other posters have said, Xavier is a fantastic job, but let's not kid ourselves and call it better than IU. This isn't Cal or Tennessee.

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[vee4xu]

Well, you kinda glossed over the biggest reason, money. Mack could probably double or even triple his salary at IU. IU has better facilities, resources, recruiting base, prestige you name it. There are still a lot of recruits who would go to a place like IU but not X (See Kris Wilkes in 2017). Imagine how Mack would clean up in Indiana if he was coaching in Bloomington.

Not a knock on Xavier AT ALL, X is a fantastic job as well, but IU is a great job, on court success or lack thereof aside (although even in the Davis/Sampson/Crean era, IU went to the title game, IU was #1 in the country for a stretch and a 1 seed, things X has never matched). How many jobs out there are better? A handful at most. We all hate the Buick/Lexus comparison, but let's be honest, it is easier to consistently field a championship contending team at IU than it is at X. Again, not knocking X, but IU is one of the 10 or so places where I feel it's hard to even debate that point.

I don't think IU will offer the job to Mack this time around, but I really do think if it came to that, it wouldn't be too tough of a decision.

That's fine. You have your opinion about the situation and what factors have the biggest impact on it and I have mine. They differ and I respect your opinion and our right to differ. I'll leave it to you to decide if you feel likewise. In the event that you don't, well that's fine too. Because, after all, they are only opinions.

[Snipe]

Get your facts straight. Assembly Hall is a dump compared to Cintas. Bigger yes, better, not even close. Yes, they have tons of money. I heard Friday, Adidas has agreed to pick up at least half of Alford's $7.5 mil. buyout to get, him to IU. UCLA is switching to Under Armour next year and Adidas would like to keep Alford.

Have you been there? I have.

Ranking the Big Ten basketball Arenas
Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-ncaa-big-ten-arenas-spt-1114-20141113-story.html)


Indiana's Assembly Hall remains, in the words of broadcaster Gus Johnson, "the Carnegie Hall of basketball" despite Tom Crean's 27-27 record there in Big Ten games. Its legend is built on the sound of 17,000-plus people losing their lungs, with one Big Ten coach saying: "Their 80-year-olds are like students."

The last time I was there was to watch Robert Montgomery Knight. My brother in law offers me tickets all the time, because he has season tickets and doesn't live near Bloomington. I am only allowed to use them if I am going to root for Indiana.

I was amazed how polite everyone was when I attended. I was also impressed that everyone showed up on time to be in their seats and they all sang the national anthem loudly. Things could have changed for sure, but I was impressed. Then they said lets welcome our visitors (it was a non-conference game), and people gave a warm welcome to the visiting team. Seriously, they got up and applauded the visiting team and thanked them for coming. (I am sure this didn't happen for Michigan at the time!)

At the time they struck me as the classiest program in the country, and the irony wasn't lost on me that the foul mouthed Robert Montgomery Knight was the head of the program.

Back to the article, ranking the Big Ten basketball arenas:


1. Assembly Hall, Indiana: The court is so simple. Other than the outline of the state of Indiana with an interlocking IU logo, it's just hardwood and lines, like Jimmy Chitwood might have designed it. Basketball is a religion in Indiana, and this is where 17,472 come to congregate. There's minimal seating behind the baskets, but the rows of seats between the end lines seem to go to the moon.


Now this is 2014, so it is a little dated, but I didn't get the impression that the "the Carnegie Hall of basketball" is a dump compared to any arena, let alone the Cintas. I am not sure if you think Rupp Arena is a dump too. I have been there as well. Would like to make it to Phog Allen some day. These aren't just special places, they are sacred spaces.

[Muskie]

I've been to many games at Assembly Hall. It's a nice arena. There are some very bad seats in the upper balcony. But it's a good place to watch a basketball game.


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[Juice]

Have you been there? I have.

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The last time I was there was to watch Robert Montgomery Knight. My brother in law offers me tickets all the time, because he has season tickets and doesn't live near Bloomington. I am only allowed to use them if I am going to root for Indiana.

I was amazed how polite everyone was when I attended. I was also impressed that everyone showed up on time to be in their seats and they all sang the national anthem loudly. Things could have changed for sure, but I was impressed. Then they said lets welcome our visitors (it was a non-conference game), and people gave a warm welcome to the visiting team. Seriously, they got up and applauded the visiting team and thanked them for coming. (I am sure this didn't happen for Michigan at the time!)

At the time they struck me as the classiest program in the country, and the irony wasn't lost on me that the foul mouthed Robert Montgomery Knight was the head of the program.

Back to the article, ranking the Big Ten basketball arenas:



Now this is 2014, so it is a little dated, but I didn't get the impression that the "the Carnegie Hall of basketball" is a dump compared to any arena, let alone the Cintas. I am not sure if you think Rupp Arena is a dump too. I have been there as well. Would like to make it to Phog Allen some day. These aren't just special places, they are sacred spaces.

I've never attended a game at Assembly Hall but I've walked on the court and the place seemed cool as hell. My brother went to IU and he liked the arena too.

On the other hand, Rupp sucks. It's too big. It's bland and the video set up is crap. I guess it's kind of cool because it's UK and the place is huge but those are the only interesting things about it.

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Man that's a pretty amount of money, I honestly hope Alford takes it so we can stop worrying about Mack going anywhere

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Plus a buy-out paid for. I could see him taking it.



I expect him to take it. One reason is that it is Indiana. But I have 31 million other reasons too.

Indiana spends over $700,000 just in basketball recruiting. Think about that. You got a private jet wherever you want at all times. And football is less than that, because being basketball coach is the big dog and always will be in Bloomington.

[Snipe]

I've never attended a game at Assembly Hall but I've walked on the court and the place seemed cool as hell. My brother went to IU and he liked the arena too.

On the other hand, Rupp sucks. It's too big. It's bland and the video set up is crap. I guess it's kind of cool because it's UK and the place is huge but those are the only interesting things about it.

I have had bad seats at Rupp and still loved them. I grew up listening to Cawood Ledford on the Big One. So when I went and saw all the banners I got chills. Yes it is massive, but I was still impressed that if my seat was the 23,000 worst seat in the upper corner, it was still a pretty good seat for that and Rupp Arena can rock. The history and significance of a place give it meaning to me.

[MauriceX]

Mack should be one of the best paid coaches in college basketball. I hope with the Sedler money, he's making north of 2 MM a year.

Even if Mack is making $2M+, it looks like IU would still be doubling the salary if they offered to Mack, given the $31M over 7 years ($4M+ per year) reportedly offered to Alford.

[X Factor]

Even if Mack is making $2M+, it looks like IU would still be doubling the salary if they offered to Mack, given the $31M over 7 years ($4M+ per year) reportedly offered to Alford.

I doubt IU would offer Mack that kind of money though.

[stammina0721]

Hmm. I'll keep looking for it then.


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If it helps there were no quotation marks in the title. Also in my post history it isn't showing up there either, however, there are multiple people on here who saw it just so you know I am not pulling your leg here. Hope it helps you find any problem your looking for

[stammina0721]

I doubt IU would offer Mack that kind of money though.

Why not? Mack has made more sweet 16's this decade than almost anyone

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who would UCLA target?

[bleedXblue]

Even if Mack is making $2M+, it looks like IU would still be doubling the salary if they offered to Mack, given the $31M over 7 years ($4M+ per year) reportedly offered to Alford.

Yeah I know......but Mack wouldn't get offered anywhere close that contract #1 and $2 MM is a lot of $$ to walk away from being home. Add to that, you know Mack wants to make the kind of money that he feels he's worth. I know JT III and Wright are over 2 MM year.

[bleedXblue]

Why not? Mack has made more sweet 16's this decade than almost anyone

b/c they wouldn't have to?

[bleedXblue]

Who would UCLA target?

No idea

[JTG]

Have you been there? I have.

Ranking the Big Ten basketball Arenas
Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-ncaa-big-ten-arenas-spt-1114-20141113-story.html)



The last time I was there was to watch Robert Montgomery Knight. My brother in law offers me tickets all the time, because he has season tickets and doesn't live near Bloomington. I am only allowed to use them if I am going to root for Indiana.

I was amazed how polite everyone was when I attended. I was also impressed that everyone showed up on time to be in their seats and they all sang the national anthem loudly. Things could have changed for sure, but I was impressed. Then they said lets welcome our visitors (it was a non-conference game), and people gave a warm welcome to the visiting team. Seriously, they got up and applauded the visiting team and thanked them for coming. (I am sure this didn't happen for Michigan at the time!)

At the time they struck me as the classiest program in the country, and the irony wasn't lost on me that the foul mouthed Robert Montgomery Knight was the head of the program.

Back to the article, ranking the Big Ten basketball arenas:



Now this is 2014, so it is a little dated, but I didn't get the impression that the "the Carnegie Hall of basketball" is a dump compared to any arena, let alone the Cintas. I am not sure if you think Rupp Arena is a dump too. I have been there as well. Would like to make it to Phog Allen some day. These aren't just special places, they are sacred spaces.
By today's standards Assembly Hall is a dump, as is Rupp. Yes they're both revered and historic, and yes I have been to both. Hinkle is also considered historic, and until they finally spent some money on it, it was a real dump. IU has a gazillion dollars in BIG tv money, and instead of building something new, they spent a few million sprucing the place up a little. You don't live in Indy with all their mouth breather fans that have never set foot in Bloomington and talk about the ancient history that is IU basketball. They're just like UK fans, except UK is still a blue blood program.

[AviatorX]

Get your facts straight. Assembly Hall is a dump compared to Cintas. Bigger yes, better, not even close. Yes, they have tons of money. I heard Friday, Adidas has agreed to pick up at least half of Alford's $7.5 mil. buyout to get, him to IU. UCLA is switching to Under Armour next year and Adidas would like to keep Alford.

Speaking of getting your facts straight, I'm assuming you haven't been to Assembly Hall since last offseasons major renovations. IU also has a practice facility dedicated entirely to basketball that cost more than Cintas. No need to get so angry. It's not crazy to think IU is a better job than X or that IU has better facilities.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/watch-take-a-tour-of-indianas-assembly-hall-after-renovations-give-it-a-new-look/amp/

http://iuhoosiers.com/sports/2015/4/7/GEN_0407150400.aspx?path=mbball

Adidas paying the buyout? Cmon. What is Alford's value to Adidas? The shoe stuff is so overblown. Adidas "had" Crean yet Zeller and Oladipo both signed with Jordan Brand.

[GoMuskies]

If IU targets Alford over Marshall they deserve what's coming to them (more relative mediocrity).

[AviatorX]

If IU targets Alford over Marshall they deserve what's coming to them (more relative mediocrity).

Very true. The juxtaposition of rooting for X and IU is amazing. X never gets in its own way (save for maybe a few weeks after the brawl) and IU seemingly does everything possible to avoid being good again.

Starting to be too much smoke to the Alford fire for it to be ignored.

[throwbackmuskie]

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[principal]

If it helps there were no quotation marks in the title. Also in my post history it isn't showing up there either, however, there are multiple people on here who saw it just so you know I am not pulling your leg here. Hope it helps you find any problem your looking for

FWIW, I saw the post and I was not drinking. Thought it was poorly timed, but it was definitely here.

[Juice]

If IU targets Alford over Marshall they deserve what's coming to them (more relative mediocrity).

I wonder what happens with the younger Ball brothers. Is their allegiance to UCLA or Alford?

[Masterofreality]

once again mack isn't leaving


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#truth

[xu82]

I wonder what happens with the younger Ball brothers. Is their allegiance to UCLA or Alford?

I have no idea, but the dad sounds more LA than Indiana, though a BILLION dollars can get you a pretty decent house in either location. I don't want to hate the kids because of the dad, but it's tough....

[GoMuskies]

That dad ain't going to Bloomington fucking Indiana. Andy Enfield can probably take care of the other two bros.

[bleedXblue]

That dad ain't going to Bloomington fucking Indiana. Andy Enfield can probably take care of the other two bros.

exactly

[xu82]

That dad ain't going to Bloomington fucking Indiana. Andy Enfield can probably take care of the other two bros.

He sounds like the kind of guy who might find it beneath him to attend a road game there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Once again Mack isn't leaving


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Well yeah I mean he cant leave for something he isnt offered. Are you just referring to IU or to every job for all time?

I love Mack and have always been a fan and defended him even at times when others have been very critical so I certainly want him to be here a very long time. There are definitely certain jobs though that if offered I could see Mack leaving for. I think anyone expecting Mack to be at X forever is just setting themselves up for disappointment. IT might happen but isnt necessarily likely.

I saw the same thing on this board about Sean Miller in regards to him not leaving.

Circumstances are certainly different with Mack though so I hope he stays for a long long time.

[throwbackmuskie]

Any job period. He will be here for the long haul, mark it down.


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[xu82]

Any job period. He will be here for the long haul, mark it down.


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I wish I could just take that to the bank, but those are always the last words you hear before the goodbye. Not saying that's happening by any means, but.....it's part of the pattern.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Any job period. He will be here for the long haul, mark it down.


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I hope so that would be great.

Until he he is offered and turns down one of the blue bloods though I wont be naive enough to think Mack will be forever at XU.

I will say though that if anyone would be a lifer at X, might as well be Mack, there are a lot of positive factors in play.

$$$$$ is usually the biggest factor though.

[xu82]

I hope so that would be great.

Until he he is offered and turns down one of the blue bloods though I wont be naive enough to think Mack will be forever at XU.

I will say though that if anyone would be a lifer at X, might as well be Mack, there are a lot of positive factors in play.

$$$$$ is usually the biggest factor though.

It's always easy to argue that you can get by just fine on a million or two per year in Cincinnati, but if it's YOUR million or two you're leaving on the table....... ehhh? Tough one. Love the guy and hope he's here for a long, long time.

[bleedXblue]

I hope so that would be great.

Until he he is offered and turns down one of the blue bloods though I wont be naive enough to think Mack will be forever at XU.

I will say though that if anyone would be a lifer at X, might as well be Mack, there are a lot of positive factors in play.

$$$$$ is usually the biggest factor though.

yep and I said it earlier......he better be making north of 2 MM a year

if he's not, shame on X

[xubrew]

I'm sure IU fans are still pouting that boy wonder Brad Stevens wants nothing to do with that job right now.

What WOULD be interesting would be if they make a run at Sean Miller instead of Archie Miller. If he were to take that job, Xavier's pipeline into Indiana recruits would get thinner.

I think that coukd happen. And yes, it would definitely be interesting if it did.

[LA Muskie]

yep and I said it earlier......he better be making north of 2 MM a year

if he's not, shame on X

He's not making $2mm/yr.


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[Muskie]

yep and I said it earlier......he better be making north of 2 MM a year

if he's not, shame on X

Where do you expect all this money to come from? We have one of the lowest endowments in the Big East and only one revenue sport. There's only so much cash to go around. X is doing what it can to raise funds (fundraising and tickets), but there is a limit of what they can pay anyone.


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[bleedXblue]

He's not making $2mm/yr.


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So with his Xavier salary (reported to be around 1.5 total) , benefits and the Sedler foundation $$ he has to be close???

[GIMMFD]

Where do you expect all this money to come from? We have one of the lowest endowments in the Big East and only one revenue sport. There's only so much cash to go around. X is doing what it can to raise funds (fundraising and tickets), but there is a limit of what they can pay anyone.


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Brilliant idea guys, let's tweet out Coach Mack's Venmo, and everybody who retweets it has to send him a penny, and eventually we'll get to at least $3-4k.

[American X]

Where do you expect all this money to come from?

The bookstore sold out of Running Man logo warm-ups last week. All twenty of them.

[LA Muskie]

So with his Xavier salary (reported to be around 1.5 total) , benefits and the Sedler foundation $$ he has to be close???

He was closer to $1.5mm than $2mm. That includes all his comp and benefits. But he'll get a bonus for our tourney performance.

As for "paying the man"...what Muskie said.


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[JEHARDI]

I wonder what happens with the younger Ball brothers. Is their allegiance to UCLA or Alford?

Evidently, neither one is as close to as good as the older brother and not having to deal with the dad would be another reason why Alford would leave.

[Muskie]

He was closer to $1.5mm than $2mm. That includes all his comp and benefits. But he'll get a bonus for our tourney performance.

As for "paying the man"...what Muskie said.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is where the whole situation get's frustrating. I for one don't ever want to tell people how to spend their money. Everyone's life situation and priorities are different. But X faces a daunting task every year when it comes to fundraising. In order to help keep this team a perennially elite program, more and more money will have to go into it. That means seat redistribution, further updates to Cintas, further opportunities that require higher and higher musketeer point totals, and higher coaching salaries just to name a few. The money must come from somewhere.

What frightens me most are the sleeping giants in this League (Georgetown is one). If they ever pull their act together in the Athletic Department, Georgetown will be able to pay for the best facilities and best Coaches. Georgetown's Endowment is 1.4 Billion. Xavier's endowment is 156 million.

So complain all we want about the rising cost of seat licenses and tickets and chant "pay the man" all you want, but unless our alumni base begins opening their wallets even more we are reaching a point of max capacity in athletics (assuming X doesn't find a giant new revenue source).

Keep in mind that this plan assumes you don't make any other improvements to campus.

[GoMuskies]

I love to spend other people's money, but I just can't see opening up my OWN wallet to make a donation to make sure a guy who already makes a LOT more money than I do gets a substantial raise. Maybe once the mortgate is zero, the kids' college funds are fully funded, and the retirement account is fully funded. But that day's not today.

[Muskie]

I love to spend other people's money, but I just can't see opening up my OWN wallet to make a donation to make sure a guy who already makes a LOT more money than I do gets a substantial raise. Maybe once the mortgate is zero, the kids' college funds are fully funded, and the retirement account is fully funded. But that day's not today. And I totally appreciate and respect that proposition Go.

[murray87]

Could someone refresh my memory on that Home City Ice endowment that "funds" his salary?

[OTRMUSKIE]

Mack is a great coach but as history shows us Xavier does just fine with new coaches. Of Mack leaves and I don't think it will happen soon then our next coach will get the job done just as well if not better. I am not worried about the program in the foreseeable future. Alford is going IU, miller to UCLA. I think that will happen

[JEHARDI]

Mack is a great coach but as history shows us Xavier does just fine with new coaches. Of Mack leaves and I don't think it will happen soon then our next coach will get the job done just as well if not better. I am not worried about the program in the foreseeable future. Alford is going IU, miller to UCLA. I think that will happen

We have been extremely lucky that the program has continued to improve/thrive with every change going back to the hiring of Bob Staack. Hopefully, that luck is not tested again for some time.
The history X has experienced in hiring new coaches over a 30+ year period is atypical. Hope we have Mack until he is ready to hang it up, his staying is our best chance at FF.

[paulxu]

I'm fascinated by how we vacillate back and forth on this board about Mack.
One year (month/week/day) he's unable to coach, doesn't call good TO's, etc.etc.etc.
The next year (month/week/day) he's the best thing for us and he should stay forever.

Fascinating.

As to the Running Man shirt, I was having a Makers with BJ at Dana's last week, and he showed me the notice.
I should have gone down the street, bought about 20 of them, and then had my own auction to fund a trip to San Jose.

[bleedXblue]

I love to spend other people's money, but I just can't see opening up my OWN wallet to make a donation to make sure a guy who already makes a LOT more money than I do gets a substantial raise. Maybe once the mortgate is zero, the kids' college funds are fully funded, and the retirement account is fully funded. But that day's not today.

Yeah but if every Xavier grad kicked in a couple hundred bucks a year, that's a lot of dough that could be generated. I don't honestly think that's a lot to ask of most people who have a college degree and are working full time. Particularly those that enjoy the basketball program and are fans.

I do see though how spoiled we are as fans when we have season ticket holders threatening to cancel seats if they get moved a few rows. It's pretty damn concerning to say the least.

Open up you wallets and chip in a few hundred bucks towards the AFO for crying out loud.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah but if every Xavier grad kicked in a couple hundred bucks a year, that's a lot of dough that could be generated. I don't honestly think that's a lot to ask of most people who have a college degree and are working full time. Particularly those that enjoy the basketball program and are fans.

I do see though how spoiled we are as fans when we have season ticket holders threatening to cancel seats if they get moved a few rows. It's pretty damn concerning to say the least.

Open up you wallets and chip in a few hundred bucks towards the AFO for crying out loud.

Any money I give is going to the university general fund. If they want to use some of it to pay the head basketball coach, so be it. But I'm not giving 5 bucks for the sole purpose of making a man far wealthier than me even more wealthy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Could someone refresh my memory on that Home City Ice endowment that "funds" his salary?


Any money I give is going to the university general fund. If they want to use some of it to pay the head basketball coach, so be it. But I'm not giving 5 bucks for the sole purpose of making a man far wealthier than me even more wealthy.

Maybe just buy a bag of ice:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/01/20/xavier-basketball-gets-huge-donation-from-home.html

[bleedXblue]

Any money I give is going to the university general fund. If they want to use some of it to pay the head basketball coach, so be it. But I'm not giving 5 bucks for the sole purpose of making a man far wealthier than me even more wealthy.

Then we risk losing him and no one knows what the next guy up can/will do. I feel pretty damn good that CM is doing the right things and has the program headed on a great trajectory. For a couple hundred bucks a year, that's worth it to me.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe just buy a bag of ice:

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/01/20/xavier-basketball-gets-huge-donation-from-home.html

I'll buy some ice, and I always rent uniforms from Cintas! Every time I rent uniforms, that is (which is never).

[AviatorX]

Then we risk losing him and no one knows what the next guy up can/will do. I feel pretty damn good that CM is doing the right things and has the program headed on a great trajectory. For a couple hundred bucks a year, that's worth it to me.

Honestly, if the type of program Mack would leave for (very small group) comes calling at this point and he wants to go, there's going to be nothing Xavier can do to match the money.

[bobbiemcgee]

"The Iceman cometh" Problem solved. lol

[drudy23]

Honestly, if the type of program Mack would leave for (very small group) comes calling at this point and he wants to go, there's going to be nothing Xavier can do to match the money.

This...if he leaves for the payday, can you blame him? But at the same time, I'm sure he's living very comfortably here in Cincy. I don't think Mack leaves SOLELY for the money. There may come a time where he feels stale at Xavier and needs a change. Right now doesn't seem to be that time. He's not going to go JUST because they can pay him more.

[bleedXblue]

Honestly, if the type of program Mack would leave for (very small group) comes calling at this point and he wants to go, there's going to be nothing Xavier can do to match the money.

No one is trying to match what a larger school with more $$ could pay him. It's all about making sure Mack feels as though he's being paid what he's worth. Get somewhere near 2 MM a year which would put him in the Top 20 of his profession...which is what he deserves.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

[GetUp5]

I'm in the camp that is growing more and more naive and believing Coach Mack will be here forever. He really is different than the guys who came before him. He's from Cincinnati, went to St. X, went to Xavier, etc.. There's definitely something to that. No one can really theorize about what they would or wouldn't do if they were in Coach Mack's shoes unless they're actually in his shoes, but wow, coaching at Xavier and making close to $2M vs. going somewhere completely foreign to you, packing up your family and starting over at a new school? I really do think he'll stay. But, obviously you can't blame him for making the jump if it means setting his family up for the rest of their lives, and the lives of his grand kids, etc..

I will point out that Coach Mack leaving after this season would set us back a good 3-4 years if the recruiting class were to fall apart. That would be completely detrimental. Coach Steele moving into the HC role could help salvage some of that, but heyooo we don't need him bolting after this season especially.

[AviatorX]

This...if he leaves for the payday, can you blame him? But at the same time, I'm sure he's living very comfortably here in Cincy. I don't think Mack leaves SOLELY for the money. There may come a time where he feels stale at Xavier and needs a change. Right now doesn't seem to be that time. He's not going to go JUST because they can pay him more.

Agree with you here entirely. It would have to be a combo of a massive pay day and a unique career opportunity (which in my book is coaching a storied program). He definitely isn't going to go to Oklahoma State, LSU or the like just for a huge pay check.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

My 2 cents, Mack is definitely a smart guy. I am sure after the tourney is over he is going to look really hard at what is going on with former opposing coaches who moved on from smaller schools. I have to wonder if Shaka Smart would head to Texas over staying at VCU now if he had it to do over again. That guy was a king at VCU and was getting pretty good money. Then there is Mark Few. Guy is getting paid, it wasn't always that way.

[Snipe]

I think that Mark Few has a great job. I want Mack to be our Mark Few. Few gets paid a little more, but not much.

I said it before, the jobs that really scare me are Indiana and Louisville. Mack could keep his house and make 4 million or more a year. And the private jet means he won't ever miss any event he wants to get too.

He recruits this area well too, and it would hurt us to have him at one of those schools. I think Matta and Miller made some pretty smart choices by going not just for money but well established programs. I am sure it is a fun life. I bet Miller's life is a blast. Those guys can get anything they want. But honestly, if we can get Mack closer to 2 million a year, he can pretty much have anything he wants too. And he could coach here a long time.

He has young girls, Xavier is doing well, he is raising his family in his home town and still making a boat load of money. With a stellar group of recruits coming in and the wind at his back after another masterful tournament run, I don't see this as a time where he gets antsy. But if Indiana calls, you at least pick up that phone. The thought of LSU makes me laugh. They could double his salary and I can't see him going to LSU.

At some point we are going to have to come closer to what other Big East programs are paying their coaches. Buzz at Marquette was one of the highest paid coaches in D-1 before he left. Still curious about that. After buzz left it was Thompson being the highest paid in the Big East, around 3 million. I don't know the latest numbers, but I am guessing Jay Wright may have surpassed him by now.

This is a great job for coach Mack.

[bleedXblue]

I think that Mark Few has a great job. I want Mack to be our Mark Few. Few gets paid a little more, but not much.

I said it before, the jobs that really scare me are Indiana and Louisville. Mack could keep his house and make 4 million or more a year. And the private jet means he won't ever miss any event he wants to get too.

He recruits this area well too, and it would hurt us to have him at one of those schools. I think Matta and Miller made some pretty smart choices by going not just for money but well established programs. I am sure it is a fun life. I bet Miller's life is a blast. Those guys can get anything they want. But honestly, if we can get Mack closer to 2 million a year, he can pretty much have anything he wants too. And he could coach here a long time.

He has young girls, Xavier is doing well, he is raising his family in his home town and still making a boat load of money. With a stellar group of recruits coming in and the wind at his back after another masterful tournament run, I don't see this as a time where he gets antsy. But if Indiana calls, you at least pick up that phone. The thought of LSU makes me laugh. They could double his salary and I can't see him going to LSU.

At some point we are going to have to come closer to what other Big East programs are paying their coaches. Buzz at Marquette was one of the highest paid coaches in D-1 before he left. Still curious about that. After buzz left it was Thompson being the highest paid in the Big East, around 3 million. I don't know the latest numbers, but I am guessing Jay Wright may have surpassed him by now.

This is a great job for coach Mack.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

[GIMMFD]

I'm in the camp that is growing more and more naive and believing Coach Mack will be here forever. He really is different than the guys who came before him. He's from Cincinnati, went to St. X, went to Xavier, etc.. There's definitely something to that. No one can really theorize about what they would or wouldn't do if they were in Coach Mack's shoes unless they're actually in his shoes, but wow, coaching at Xavier and making close to $2M vs. going somewhere completely foreign to you, packing up your family and starting over at a new school? I really do think he'll stay. But, obviously you can't blame him for making the jump if it means setting his family up for the rest of their lives, and the lives of his grand kids, etc..

I will point out that Coach Mack leaving after this season would set us back a good 3-4 years if the recruiting class were to fall apart. That would be completely detrimental. Coach Steele moving into the HC role could help salvage some of that, but heyooo we don't need him bolting after this season especially.

Like everyone else said about the moving thing it's Louisville or Indiana, both very close to Cincinnati, both will double/triple his salary, both are great storied programs. His wife is from Louisville, so that transition will be seamless. I don't want him to leave, I want him to get to 200 wins as an X coach first, and a couple Final 4's... and MAYBE, just MAYBE a National Championship... landmark steps.

[X-band '01]

I think that Mark Few has a great job. I want Mack to be our Mark Few. Few gets paid a little more, but not much.

I said it before, the jobs that really scare me are Indiana and Louisville. Mack could keep his house and make 4 million or more a year. And the private jet means he won't ever miss any event he wants to get too.

He recruits this area well too, and it would hurt us to have him at one of those schools. I think Matta and Miller made some pretty smart choices by going not just for money but well established programs. I am sure it is a fun life. I bet Miller's life is a blast. Those guys can get anything they want. But honestly, if we can get Mack closer to 2 million a year, he can pretty much have anything he wants too. And he could coach here a long time.

He has young girls, Xavier is doing well, he is raising his family in his home town and still making a boat load of money. With a stellar group of recruits coming in and the wind at his back after another masterful tournament run, I don't see this as a time where he gets antsy. But if Indiana calls, you at least pick up that phone. The thought of LSU makes me laugh. They could double his salary and I can't see him going to LSU.

At some point we are going to have to come closer to what other Big East programs are paying their coaches. Buzz at Marquette was one of the highest paid coaches in D-1 before he left. Still curious about that. After buzz left it was Thompson being the highest paid in the Big East, around 3 million. I don't know the latest numbers, but I am guessing Jay Wright may have surpassed him by now.

This is a great job for coach Mack.

Apparently there was some head-butting between Buzz Williams and the Marquette brass about some of the recruits he wanted to bring into the program. Duane Wilson was the last Buzz recruit and he will be a graduate transfer once he gets his degree from Marquette this spring.

[ArcherXU]

*double post*

[bobbiemcgee]

IU losing 2of 3 recruits. Other one says he'll wait to see who is hired.

[xubrew]

This woman is totally nuts. She has been doing this since the Winthrop days. IU needs to hire Gregg Marshall!!

http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/gregg-marshalls-wife-kicked-out-of-wichita-state-game-for-being-too-out-of-control-in-the-stands-ncaa-tries-to-make-kentucky-reporter-delete-his-videos-and-tweets-about-it/

[GoMuskies]

The headline is wrong. She didn't get kicked out. And IU should DEFINITELY hire Gregg Marshall. But that assumes winning is important to them.

[ChicagoX]

It would be a shame if Mack took the IU job because we would lose our highest-rated recruiting class in program history.

[xubrew]

It would be a shame if Mack took the IU job because we would lose our highest-rated recruiting class in program history.

You can only take this for what you think it's worth, but I don't think it's Chris Mack. I think they're down to one or two people and will finalize/announce it as soon as it is practical to do so, but I don't think he's among the one or two people.

But, I could be wrong. I have been before, particularly rather often throughout this season.

[xudash]

Paul Daugherty:

Is it a better job?

Mack has everything a coach needs to win at X. A private plane on call, a wholly enthusiastic president and administration, a track record of big success, a good league, a national name. What can IU do for him that XU can’t?

Remember: None of the guys except Sean Miller who left Xavier for supposedly bluer skies have been breakout winners. Not Gillen (Providence, UVA), not Prosser (Wake), not even Matta, who has not sustained early success and if basketball at OSU were football, would be walking on eggs right now.

On the flip, IU is basketball-centric and it’s only three hours or so from home for Mack.

Indiana wouldn’t be the first school to woo Mack and it wouldn’t be the last. Quite possibly he’ll say yes to someone, eventually. Bank on it that Xavier will have its next guy (Pat Kelsey, John Groce, whom Illinois just fired, Travis Steele, someone) ready to go.

He's also close enough to understand the nature of that fanbase. And that fanbase's nature is less than good.

[AviatorX]

Please don't quote Paul Daugherty again, especially if he is suggesting John Groce may be XU's next coach if Mack leaves.

[GoMuskies]

I think John Groce would look great on Xavier's sideline. As Travis Steele's assistant.

[GetUp5]

Please don't quote Paul Daugherty again, especially if he is suggesting John Groce may be XU's next coach if Mack leaves.

This.

[ArcherXU]

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/chris-mack-xavier-sean-miller-skip-prosser-coaching-ncaa-tournament/19usg3xkvigwo1sg0xcdombjz4

This is a year old but Coach Mack comments how the 1.1 listed is off, so we can assume the 1.3 is off as well, probably in the 1.5 range like LA has said. Hopefully we can get coach up to the 2 range sooner rather than later.

Coach Mack will stay for as long as it makes sense so no need to worry until that situation presents itself. Indiana could be that situation, but from everything people are saying, Mack would be well down on the list, so I believe he'll be here next year with an amazingly talented squad.

[ammtd34]

That same article also said this:


Those frustrated that Xavier outdoes UC at tourney time should remember that the Musketeers don’t have the football anchor. Basketball is it, and they decided a long time ago that basketball was a most valuable marketing tool. Think of yourselves as fans of the University of Washington, which competes with little Gonzaga. Or even IU v. Butler. Same situation.

I have no idea what point he's trying to make. Basketball doesn't succeed at those schools because of football?

[xubrew]

That same article also said this:

hose frustrated that Xavier outdoes UC at tourney time should remember that the Musketeers don’t have the football anchor. Basketball is it, and they decided a long time ago that basketball was a most valuable marketing tool. Think of yourselves as fans of the University of Washington, which competes with little Gonzaga. Or even IU v. Butler. Same situation.

I have no idea what point he's trying to make. Basketball doesn't succeed at those schools because of football?

This man is an idiot!! Anyone that attributes a lack of success in basketball to the existence of football, or attributes a successful basketball program to the absence of football, is too stupid to have a conversation with.

Villanova won the national title last year and was the first school to do so who didn't play football at the FBS/1A level since UConn did it in 1999. UConn transitioned up to 1A, and after doing so won three more national titles.

The last team to do it before that was Villanova in 1985.

The last team to win a national title who didn't play football of any kind was Marquette in 1977.

So in the last 40 years only three schools have won a national title that didn't play FBS football, and no one has won it that didn't play football at any level. Yet, football is the reason UC isn't succeeding.

Tell that man to have his house checked for lead!!

[paulxu]

They've got an anchor alright. But it ain't football.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mick-cronin-cincinnati.jpg

[paulxu]

Also, these coaching hires often leave me scratching my head.
As I certainly don't know Mack's long term goals (and they could change as the years go by), no one would be surprised if he took a higher profile job.
What would surprise me would be if Indiana chose Miller over Mack (assuming they don't ask Mack and he turns them down).
Mack's consistent track record/recruiting is clearly better.

[Section 200]

The headline is wrong. She didn't get kicked out. And IU should DEFINITELY hire Gregg Marshall. But that assumes winning is important to them.

IU cannot hire him unless he gets divorced. I guess we know why Marshall is stuck in Wichita, KS now and not in the big leagues.

[GoMuskies]

I guess we know why Marshall is stuck in Wichita, KS now and not in the big leagues.

Because he likes it here, is paid an assload of money and has turned down a bunch of "better" jobs.

If IU is going to let this silliness get in their way, they'll deserve the disappointment that will inevitably be not far behind.

[Irishjohn68]

Indiana needs to hirer Steve Alford or Brad Stevens and stay the hell away from Chris Mack.

[LA Muskie]

Indiana needs to hirer Steve Alford or Brad Stevens and stay the hell away from Chris Mack.

It ain't gonna be Stevens.


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[xu2002]

It ain't gonna be Stevens.


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And if it's Alford, then you can just immediately start the rumors of Mack to UCLA!

[bleedXblue]

And if it's Alford, then you can just immediately start the rumors of Mack to UCLA!

Yep.......but a move there is much less likely b/c of it being 3,000 miles away. He doesn't recruit in that area today. His family is from the Midwest......

Long shot IMHO

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Couple that with the fact Mack has been a Nike guy for a while now at XU and UCLA is moving to Under Armour. I am most afraid of this IU job and the future Louisville job opening. If he doesn't go to IU and Alford takes it, Louisville would be stupid not to make a run at Mack.

[bobbiemcgee]

And if it's Alford, then you can just immediately start the rumors of Mack to UCLA!

Nope. Can you imagine Mack vs. Lavar Ball?

[LA Muskie]

Yep.......but a move there is much less likely b/c of it being 3,000 miles away. He doesn't recruit in that area today. His family is from the Midwest......

Long shot IMHO

Long shot, yes. Also I think they will either want a HUGE name with LA recruiting ties (Miller; maybe Shaka) or someone from the family (Earl Watson).

But Chris seriously considered Cal so I don't think geography would be a sole disqualifying factor.


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[bleedXblue]

Couple that with the fact Mack has been a Nike guy for a while now at XU and UCLA is moving to Under Armour. I am most afraid of this IU job and the future Louisville job opening. If he doesn't go to IU and Alford takes it, Louisville would be stupid not to make a run at Mack.

As far as we know, Pitino isn't close to retiring. Of course, that could change tomorrow.....