Will the real Kaiser Gates please stand up

[Xuperman]

Ed goes down and someone needed to step up and replace his points. The guy to do just that was Kaiser but he did not rise to the challenge and we hit the skids. "Best shooter on the team"? Where is he? I figure, if healthy, he has roughly 70 games left in his career and the 1000 point club was certainly expected from him but he has to start putting up the numbers to get there now! We know what we are going to get out of the other 7 guys. Kaiser is the missing piece for any kind of run. I know you got one in you and you are way overdue.... Drop a 20 on the dawgs and don't look back!!

[kellernr]

Ed goes down and someone needed to step up and replace his points. The guy to do just that was Kaiser but he did not rise to the challenge and we hit the skids. "Best shooter on the team"? Where is he? I figure, if healthy, he has roughly 70 games left in his career and the 1000 point club was certainly expected from him but he has to start putting up the numbers to get there now! We know what we are going to get out of the other 7 guys. Kaiser is the missing piece for any kind of run. I know you got one in you and you are way overdue.... Drop a 20 on the dawgs and don't look back!!
I agree. He's not afraid to shoot but he he doesn't look confident in his shot at all. He will drain 1 then the next 3 are way off.

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[XMuskieFTW]

I mean since Sumner went down, Kaiser is averaging 7.1 and 5.4 shooting 36% from 3. He's been inconsistent at times, but I thought he played decently last night. If we can keep getting 7 and 5 from him off the bench I'll be happy.

[Masterofreality]

Quite frankly, we were watching in the Garden last night and the word "lazy" came up a few times. Besides the scoring issues, where is the rebounding from him? DePaul actually made us look like crap on the boards last night and out rebounded us while Gates got 3 rebounds in 20 minutes. The kid is a real disappointment to me. Hope he turns it around and finds fire.

[Michigan Muskie]

I'm no scout, but after watching decades of college basketball, I feel like I have a pretty good feel for the "eye test." This isn't meant to knock on Kaiser, but it looks like he still hasn't fully developed. The way he runs, the way he moves -- he doesn't have that silky-smooth glide about him that you see in the most prolific athletes. He looks downright awkward at times, like an adolescent still maturing into his adult years. On occasion he puts up a decent stat line because he's blessed with height, long arms and big hair. And yes, he has a decent shot, but the best shooter in practice is not always the best shooter when the lights come on.

My hope is that the finished product is still a work in progress, and that by next season we will see a much more polished basketball player -- stronger, more confident, and under control. With the incoming class, it could be an epic year if Kaiser transforms a la BJ Raymond. A guy can dream...

[Xuperman]

I mean since Sumner went down, Kaiser is averaging 7.1 and 5.4 shooting 36% from 3. He's been inconsistent at times, but I thought he played decently last night. If we can keep getting 7 and 5 from him off the bench I'll be happy.

That is precisely the problem. It is the post season now and that simply is not enough to make a difference.
The starters stats are pretty much consistent and you see where that gets us. We desperately need bench points to make any kind of run and sadly our bench consists of 3 guys. He needs to hit 3/4 threes plus some garbage in the paint and start notching some 14+ games.

[Xavier]

Quite frankly, we were watching in the Garden last night and the word "lazy" came up a few times. Besides the scoring issues, where is the rebounding from him? DePaul actually made us look like crap on the boards last night and out rebounded us while Gates got 3 rebounds in 20 minutes. The kid is a real disappointment to me. Hope he turns it around and finds fire.

The rebounding/defense is the biggest thing. I think we see flashes out of him that gives me confidence in his future. Ideally he would be able to put some pounds on and bang just a little in the paint. If he remains a primarily 3 shooter it would be disappointing.

But for this year, and any shot at a couple wins in the tournament, he needs to really focus on attacking the boards like crazy and contribute 8-10 points a game.

[GIMMFD]

The rebounding/defense is the biggest thing. I think we see flashes out of him that gives me confidence in his future. Ideally he would be able to put some pounds on and bang just a little in the paint. If he remains a primarily 3 shooter it would be disappointing.
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Ala James Farr?

[Harryfe]

As short of players as this roster is we need Kaiser to put up 12-15 points per game and he hasn't done it. Maybe next year but overall this year he has been the biggest disappointment of the active players.

[Xavier]

Wanting Gates to average 15 a game this year is wildly unrealistic. I can see big games where he puts up 15 but averaging that? Geez, man.

[Xuperman]

The way he runs, the way he moves -- he doesn't have that silky-smooth glide about him that you see in the most prolific athletes. He looks downright awkward at times, like an adolescent still maturing into his adult years.

In the off season everyone was raving how he was going to breakout this year BECAUSE he was so quick and athletic. Was going to be a match up nightmare on both ends. I still see that in his future........just hoping the future starts tonite!!!

[SemajParlor]

Wanting Gates to average 15 a game this year is wildly unrealistic. I can see big games where he puts up 15 but averaging that? Geez, man.

Yeah, this. If we're going to publicly criticize our own guy in the middle of a playoff push, let's try to at least be fair.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wanting Gates to average 15 a game this year is wildly unrealistic. I can see big games where he puts up 15 but averaging that? Geez, man.

Yeah crazy. JP doesnt even average that.

We have had 5 guys in the previous 10 seasons average 15 pts/game. Tre, Lyons, Tu, Crawford, Semaj.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

The issue for me is that last year I saw more than a few flashes of great footwork on defense that just haven't increased this year. He should be better than he is now for sure. Gates could be a smaller version of Farr in that Mack had to convince Farr to be more of an inside player.

[GoMuskies]

We need Gates to average 10 or more per game going forward. It may be unreasonable, but expecting this team to win again (today or next week) is probably unreasonable.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Only 6 additional guys averaged 12 or more in that same 10 year period. 7 if you give Travis Taylor it at 11.9.

[AviatorX]

He is definitely capable of pouring in 4 or 5 threes in the minutes he gets. If he could go ahead and do that tonight that would be great.

[XMuskieFTW]

I mean 7 and 5 is pretty solid as your 6th/7th guy. The problem is we don't have an 8th and 9th and our starters often have low scoring games. If Kaiser is playing 20-25 minutes we need to get like 8 and 6 out of him. The biggest thing we need is a third and fourth scoring option every game. It can change from game to game. Whether it's Q and Kaiser putting up 12 a piece or Gaston and Bernard doing the same, we just need 2 of our 3-7 guys to step up every game along with Tre and JP playing to their averages.

[ammtd34]

Thinking Kaiser has awkward feet as a 6'8" PF is crazy.

[SemajParlor]

Thinking Kaiser has awkward feet as a 6'8" PF is crazy.

Hey Kaiser, replace Ed's scoring load, make 4-5 3s a game, put on weight and rebound like James Farr, but don't lose your athleticness and quickness because we expected you to be that.

[Xavier]

I was hoping more Dolleman than Farr. Still like the pick and pop option and being a good 3 shooter. Just being able to occasionally have some low post play would add so much to Gates game. Or successfully being able to pump and drive to get better looks.

[XUFan09]

He is definitely capable of pouring in 4 or 5 threes in the minutes he gets. If he could go ahead and do that tonight that would be great.

That's either a lot of three-point attempts or an incredibly good outing from behind the line. He's only hit 4 threes twice this season, never hitting 5. Among other players, Malcolm has never hit 4+, J.P. only has three times, and Trevon only has five times. J.P. and Trevon are going to put up a lot more shots than Gates too.

Gates is a role player. Some had the hope that he would be more than that this year, probably because they saw an agile 6'8" guy who could shoot, but on his progression, being a significant contributor is probably a more reasonable hope for next year. Suggestions that he should be averaging 12 to 15 points per game are just ridiculous. Averaging 10 points per game isn't crazy, but still a bit much, especially because the team doesn't need him to average 10+ a game. What the team needs is a good flowing offense where Trevon and J.P are scoring at a high rate, Goodin is distributing, and everyone else is chipping in, with at least one of "everyone else" scoring in double digits. That has happened in the last few games, and the offense has actually been pretty efficient.

Gates has also been rebounding at a respectable rate this season and has even improved upon that rate in a notable way during the conference slate. The one criticism I really understand for him is that defensively he has not stepped up as much as was reasonably expected. He's been a pretty good defender but flawed (as any non-elite defender is), and great defense is still only coming in flashes.

[XMuskieFTW]

Kaiser isn't a superstar type player. He's a really solid 4 year guy who is taking some time to develop. He averaged 3.2 and 2.6 as a freshman and now 6.0 and 4.3 as a sophomore(and better as of late). I think next year we'll see a guy who averages about 9 and 6 and hopefully by his senior year he's around 12 and 7. I see a ton of upside in Kaiser offensively. Couple that with his defense and he's going to be excellent.

[Xuperman]

We will be the underdog in all of our remaining games. Do we play 3/4 more? I like our chances but we won't beat this level of competition with only our starting 5. Have to have bench production and Kaiser can be the guy. He is after all the only remaining scholarship player from an entire recruiting class and was the jewel of that class to boot. Now is the time. There most certainly are 10/11 shots for him in this offense.....he needs to step it up and shoot around 50% and get to the line a few times. 12 or more per game from here on out is not unreasonable. Actually, I am looking for him to pull a "Tre Campbell" and get north of 20!!

[IM4X]

I mean since Sumner went down, Kaiser is averaging 7.1 and 5.4 shooting 36% from 3. He's been inconsistent at times, but I thought he played decently last night. If we can keep getting 7 and 5 from him off the bench I'll be happy.

I expected more out of Kaiser last night. He had a few nice moments but was very passive at times. He has shown he can be so much better-and his teammates need him to be right now.

Expected some players to average a bit more this year:
Kaiser - 9 ppg
Gaston 9.5 ppg (though not too far off)
Sean 8.5 ppg

Goodin and Bernard's numbers seem about what was expected except that we were expecting them to play much less.

Tre and JP have been a bit streak at times players but have solid numbers.

The second half showed promise. This team might have a run in it. Every player (other than Tre and JP) is going to have to start scoring more than their average if they are to win tonight and keep winning.

[kellernr]

Yeah crazy. JP doesnt even average that.

We have had 5 guys in the previous 10 seasons average 15 pts/game. Tre, Lyons, Tu, Crawford, Semaj.

I dont think he meant for Gates to average 15ppg for the season. Pretty sure he meant since Ed went down. Either way that would still be unrealistic. i would like to see 9-10ppg and 7-8 rpg. With the way our team has been shooting he will have lots of oppurtunities for rebounds. His problem is that he plays to weak under the rim and gets pushed around.

[gladdenguy]

I really believe that knee scope just came at a horrible time for Kaiser this year. I'm hoping he is healthy with no setbacks and he will come in much more confident, stronger, and healthier next year.....which could be a major cause for him averaging double digits (lets say 10 a game)

[GIMMFD]

I really believe that knee scope just came at a horrible time for Kaiser this year. I'm hoping he is healthy with no setbacks and he will come in much more confident, stronger, and healthier next year.....which could be a major cause for him averaging double digits (lets say 10 a game)

Completely agree, I don't think we factored in the knee scope thing at all, I think he's getting stronger, but he's not quite there. He's shown flashes this season, and I honestly think he could easily be a 10ppg player next year. He'll develop, get in the weight room, and keep working on his game.

[markchal]

Completely agree, I don't think we factored in the knee scope thing at all, I think he's getting stronger, but he's not quite there. He's shown flashes this season, and I honestly think he could easily be a 10ppg player next year. He'll develop, get in the weight room, and keep working on his game.

Like Mack said, it was a scope, not an amputation. I understand it taking some time to get back into game shape, but I really expected more out of him. Some even thought he might start this year, given that he had the rep of being our best defender, and Mack's claims that he's our best shooter.

He definitely needs to be a little more aggressive, we can't have him disappear for huge stretches. There were a few games when he had like 13-9, or 12-8. He was rebounding well, driving occasionally, hitting his shots. We need THAT Kaiser to have any chance to get another W this season.

[xufan2434]

I want Kaiser to be more productive as much as the next guy, but I just don't think it's in the cards for this season. He's not to the point yet where he can create his own shot. It's awkward for him to but the ball on the deck and try to get to the rim. He tried to get real aggressive against Marquette and ended up turning the ball over 5 times in the first half. I think he needs to continue to get his spot up looks and crash the boards. He can actually finish if he gets an offensive board.

And yeah, others have mentioned the defense. IMO he definitely moved his feet better last year. Idk if the injury is still causing that or what, but I think all would be forgiven if he continues to rebound. That's where they really need him. It was a scary thought watching Depaul get offensive boards last night compared to what an actual tourney team would do

[GIMMFD]

Like Mack said, it was a scope, not an amputation. I understand it taking some time to get back into game shape, but I really expected more out of him. Some even thought he might start this year, given that he had the rep of being our best defender, and Mack's claims that he's our best shooter.

He definitely needs to be a little more aggressive, we can't have him disappear for huge stretches. There were a few games when he had like 13-9, or 12-8. He was rebounding well, driving occasionally, hitting his shots. We need THAT Kaiser to have any chance to get another W this season.

Though it was a scope and minimally evasive, they still removed part of the cartilage from his knee. It changes you no matter what, you get used to it eventually, and maybe the future physician in me is being a little skeptical of him not being able to adjust so soon, but I still think that it takes getting used to for a decent amount of time. I do agree with the stretches where he had some killer games, it could also be a mental thing. Maybe he's not confident in himself. At the end of the day, you just hope he gets it all sorted out and continues to progress. He has the tools, just needs to put them all together.

[gladdenguy]

Like Mack said, it was a scope, not an amputation. I understand it taking some time to get back into game shape, but I really expected more out of him.

We all did, but again I believe the timing of the procedure mentally screwed him up this season and he has not rebounded from it.

[ammtd34]

Though it was a scope and minimally evasive, they still removed part of the cartilage from his knee. It changes you no matter what, you get used to it eventually, and maybe the future physician in me is being a little skeptical of him not being able to adjust so soon, but I still think that it takes getting used to for a decent amount of time. I do agree with the stretches where he had some killer games, it could also be a mental thing. Maybe he's not confident in himself. At the end of the day, you just hope he gets it all sorted out and continues to progress. He has the tools, just needs to put them all together.

Additionally, it was at a time when conditioning was in full swing. It's nearly impossible to recover and get into proper shape during the season.

[bobbiemcgee]

He has the tools, just needs to put them all together.

Hopefully TODAY!

[drudy23]

he has not rebounded from it.

Figuratively and literally.

[XU 87]

Offensively, Kaiser is a perimeter player, but he really doesn't have much game taking the ball to the basket. Ball handling, taking the ball to the hoop, and hitting pull up jumpers. is something he really needs to work on.

[XUFan09]

Figuratively and literally.
Cute, but literally, he has had one of the better rebounding rates in the conference since January (and a solid rate overall).

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[xukeith]

I liked Kaiser as a frosh. I thought he had lots of potential. I am saddened he is similar to Josh Duncan's early X career as he simply stands outside the 3 point line and often launches 3's.

We need him to be a big man and a floater to the outside. Tougher D and not be scared to bang.

[XU 87]

If he has anything similar to Josh Duncan's career, he will have a very good career.

[Masterofreality]

If he has anything similar to Josh Duncan's career, he will have a very good career.

Ain't happening. His defense tonight sucks again, no rebounds and zero from the field.

Fed up.

[bleedXblue]

Kaiser has no mean streak or the true competitiveness and fire that great players have. Seems like he's just out there playing and nothing really bothers him. Not a bad way to go through life really.........high level D1 basketball...?

[Xuperman]

Well so much for Kaiser making an impact. He looks like basketball is way down the list of his priorities. I am thinking the ladies may be at the top......just sayin' he looks tired.....:drool:

[nasdadjr]

Kaiser Gates is unplayable. Worst 12 minute line I've ever seen. Back to hanging out behind the arc. I don't want to see him on the floor again this year.

[bleedXblue]

Kaiser Gates is unplayable. Worst 12 minute line I've ever seen. Back to hanging out behind the arc. I don't want to see him on the floor again this year.

we have 8 scholarship players. He's gonna play some

[Juice]

Kaiser Gates is unplayable. Worst 12 minute line I've ever seen. Back to hanging out behind the arc. I don't want to see him on the floor again this year.

Ok dude....

[GIMMFD]

Kaiser Gates is unplayable. Worst 12 minute line I've ever seen. Back to hanging out behind the arc. I don't want to see him on the floor again this year.

Well that escalated quickly.

[Xuperman]

Could only listen to the game so I found it strange that Lark was calling for Mack to get Gates off the bench and in for defense late? Cited foot speed.....What is he seeing from him that most of us don't?

[Juice]

Could only listen to the game so I found it strange that Lark was calling for Mack to get Gates off the bench and in for defense late? What is he seeing from him that most of us don't?

That he's a better defensive player than Trevon or JP. I'm guessing that's it.

[SkyWalker]

Invisible.

[Juice]

Invisible.

Classic jackass XU fans. We get a big win and you want to complain about a college kid. Jesus Christ, get a life.

[SkyWalker]

Classic jackass XU fans. We get a big win and you want to complain about a college kid. Jesus Christ, get a life.

Just waiting for him to step up. We need everyone contributing.

[mohr5150]

Classic jackass XU fans. We get a big win and you want to complain about a college kid. Jesus Christ, get a life.

Cereal + urine = your morning. Relax and enjoy the win. Let the Debbie Downers do their thing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

WGAF we won! Enjoy it everyone!

[IM4X]

While Kaiser really did struggle today. So did JP. Thought JP was the MVP the precious game. Maybe Kaiser will be the MVP tomorrow. I am not giving up on any of these kids- we we'll likely need something from them all if we are going to keep winning... and become the BE tournament champs this year.

[Harryfe]

While Kaiser really did struggle today. So did JP. Thought JP was the MVP the precious game. Maybe Kaiser will be the MVP tomorrow. I am not giving up on any of these kids- we we'll likely need something from them all if we are going to keep winning... and become the BE tournament champs this year.
I think CM gave up on Gates this eve. Hardly played 2nd half. You can call it Debbie Downer but several others played great. Without Tre this team is no where. Sean had a great game. Kaiser is proving to be very soft. 0 for 3 from 3 point. Took no 2 pointers. Got no rebounds and played "matador" defense.
I give CM a lot of credit for this win!!

[XMuskieFTW]

Kaiser got the W tonight. All that matters.

[X Factor]

Yeah I don't know what's going on with Kaiser. His defense was poor, he turned it over a couple of times, and he can't make three's now, his "strength".

I hope he turns the corner, but he looks like he's mentally soft. I'm not giving up on him, but he hasn't had the year I think we all thought he would.

[GIMMFD]

I'm not closing the page on Kaiser yet this season, I still think he needs one game of getting hot and getting his confidence back under him. I have full faith in each one of our players, and I hope tonight is the night he breaks through and says "I'm a grown ass man, and I can play ball." which will hopefully propel him to some good outings in our next few.

[XfansinKy]

His style of play is exactly like it was in high school. Cruise around as a tall swingman and make jumpers. He didn't have to rush his shot at all because he was 6'7. Its a lot different now that swingmen he's facing are 6'6-6'7 fast, can jump, and live in the gym/weight room. I could be wrong but I don't think Kaiser is spending extra hours in the gym/weight room because I believe his knee injury is more serious than anybody realizes. I doubt he's complaining and hoping time heals, which may be true. If the team wasn't so depleted, a red shirt year wouldn't have been the worst thing. It would be awesome if he got hot in the NCAA tourney and shot about 55% from 3.

[ammtd34]

Kaiser's struggling offensively, but he was good defensively last night. I'd need to see specific examples of him being bad on that end last night, because I saw him get switched onto Baldwin after ball screens on 3 straight possessions in the first half. He defended all 3 (one resulted in a challenged baseline fadeaway bucket). Butler must have thought he was defending it well because they stopped going to it.

[kyxu]

Kaiser had a solid game against Creighton a month ago. Maybe he resurfaces tonight in a big way.

[Harryfe]

Kaiser's struggling offensively, but he was good defensively last night. I'd need to see specific examples of him being bad on that end last night, because I saw him get switched onto Baldwin after ball screens on 3 straight possessions in the first half. He defended all 3 (one resulted in a challenged baseline fadeaway bucket). Butler must have thought he was defending it well because they stopped going to it.
If you have it dvr'. Look at the tape. They drove right around him. And no rebounds. The proof in the pudding is that Chris didn't play him for about the last 15 minutes even with a very short bench. Bad to say but could he just be lazy and not working in weight room. Haven't seen much hustle.

[xufan2434]

Regardless of how he played last night (think everyone agrees it wasn't his best).. They need him big time the rest of the way. The roster simply doesn't have enough bodies to go around. Maybe the big win last night will be bittersweet since he probably doesn't feel like he contributed as much and wants in on the action. Think it's clear their best style with what they have is to grind it out and play tough. Really need his rebounding and defense tonight.

[bleedXblue]

I wonder how much more patience Mack has.

This has been a golden opportunity for him to contribute and become a much bigger part of the program.

It's really up to Kaiser. How badly does he want it?

[SemajParlor]

This thread is embarrassing.

[Juice]

This thread is embarrassing.

Amen

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wonder how much more patience Mack has.



I'm not really sure what this means. As in what he's not going to play him? Or he doesnt want him back?

I really wish we had easy access to threads about all sorts of other XU players people complained mercilessly about and wrote off.

Some have been really railing on a couple freshman and sophomores. How many examples of guys do we need developing in to great XU players their Jrs and Sr years before we just let guys develop?

People who literally have no idea are just casually throwing around that Kaiser probably doesnt like bball that much and isnt working hard enough with zero evidence to back that up.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This thread is embarrassing.


Amen

Completely agree.

[ammtd34]

If you have it dvr'. Look at the tape. They drove right around him. And no rebounds. The proof in the pudding is that Chris didn't play him for about the last 15 minutes even with a very short bench. Bad to say but could he just be lazy and not working in weight room. Haven't seen much hustle.

I gave an example of 3 specific plays he defended well to support the idea that he defended well. I was planning on watching the game again anyway. If it turns out that he sucked, so be it. But he didn't suck just because you feel like he did.

Butler scored about 30 fewer points than they averaged against X during the season. They had 2 guys in double figures, and one was a guard. It's not like anyone was getting torched last night.

[94GRAD]

I liked Kaiser as a frosh. I thought he had lots of potential. I am saddened he is similar to Josh Duncan's early X career as he simply stands outside the 3 point line and often launches 3's.

We need him to be a big man and a floater to the outside. Tougher D and not be scared to bang.

I'm sure Kaiser is playing the position EXACTLY the way the coaches are telling him to.

[birdman71]

Completely agree.

As do I.

[X Factor]

Why is this thread embarrassing? We're not allowed to critique anyone on the team? We all want Kaiser to step up and play to his potential, but so far this year, I don't think he has. Over the past 5 games, he's shooting 28% from 3! We need more from him. He's getting a huge opportunity this year to show what he can do and he hasn't really performed. His defense hasn't been as good as could be, and for everyone saying he's such a good shooter, he just hasn't shown it.

I really want him to succeed. I like him a lot. I'm sure Mack is frustrated with him too.

[Masterofreality]

Why is this thread embarrassing? We're not allowed to critique anyone on the team? We all want Kaiser to step up and play to his potential, but so far this year, I don't think he has. Over the past 5 games, he's shooting 28% from 3! We need more from him. He's getting a huge opportunity this year to show what he can do and he hasn't really performed. His defense hasn't been as good as could be, and for everyone saying he's such a good shooter, he just hasn't shown it.

I really want him to succeed. I like him a lot. I'm sure Mack is frustrated with him too.

This...and yes, we ARE allowed to critique. The difference in the team when Malcolm was in vs Kaiser was huge. Kaiser gave us nothing last night. No defense, rebounding or scoring. Having wide ass open 3's and missing them is not something you can get away with in this league.

[Masterofreality]

I'm sure Kaiser is playing the position EXACTLY the way the coaches are telling him to.

Does that mean missing every wide open shot that they set up for him to take?

[Pete Delkus]

I too have no problem critiquing a Xavier player, who clearly can play better. Whether this is due to system...or X&Os...or effort - I have no problem with this thread.

When a play breaks down, there are players who have a knack for the ball and make a basketball play. Rarely has Gates shown the ability to do "this". However, I believe the brief glimpses of light of providing offensive production, other than an unsteady shot behind the arc, have lead to somes criticism.
That's all.

[Juice]

Why is this thread embarrassing? We're not allowed to critique anyone on the team? We all want Kaiser to step up and play to his potential, but so far this year, I don't think he has. Over the past 5 games, he's shooting 28% from 3! We need more from him. He's getting a huge opportunity this year to show what he can do and he hasn't really performed. His defense hasn't been as good as could be, and for everyone saying he's such a good shooter, he just hasn't shown it.

I really want him to succeed. I like him a lot. I'm sure Mack is frustrated with him too.

1) He's a spot shooter. That enabled when players like Sumner can drive the lane and kick out and also keep the defense more compact to deny the drive. So he's hurt by that.
2) You have no idea whether he's been playing good defense or not. You're just saying that because you have a point to make and you think it supports it when in fact you have nothing to back it up. He's a versatile defender and is not the weak link. X allowed 57 points to the 17th most efficient offense in the country last night. The defense is fine.

[Masterofreality]

1)
2) You have no idea whether he's been playing good defense or not. You're just saying that because you have a point to make and you think it supports it when in fact you have nothing to back it up. He's a versatile defender and is not the weak link. X allowed 57 points to the 17th most efficient offense in the country last night. The defense is fine.

He's not defending well and the difference between him and Malcolm Bernard in that vein last night was evident.

Plus his rebounding is non existent despite him being 6:8. Does. Not. Fight. For. The. Ball.

[X Factor]

1) He's a spot shooter. That enabled when players like Sumner can drive the lane and kick out and also keep the defense more compact to deny the drive. So he's hurt by that.
2) You have no idea whether he's been playing good defense or not. You're just saying that because you have a point to make and you think it supports it when in fact you have nothing to back it up. He's a versatile defender and is not the weak link. X allowed 57 points to the 17th most efficient offense in the country last night. The defense is fine.

Why did Mack sit him for most of the second half last night? I saw Kelan Martin drive around him for an easy bucket like was stuck in cement last night. Yes, the team played really good defense. Kaiser only played 12 minutes.

And don't act like without Sumner he's not getting good looks. He had 3 really good looks last night and he missed them all.

To MOR's point, over the past 5 games, Kaiser is averaging 1 rebound a game.

Again, I like Kaiser and want him to succeed. If you think he's playing great, well good for you. Again, I doubt I'd be going out on a limb when I say Mack is probably frustrated with Kaiser too.

I hope tonight he goes off and scores 15 points.

[XU 87]

In the last 5 games, Kaiser has a total of 8 rebounds.

In the 8 games before that, he averaged 7.63 rebounds per game.

How do you go from 7.63 per game to 1.6 per game?

[SemajParlor]

No problem critiquing someone's play. People questioning his mindset or desire to play hard is what embarrasses me.

"It looks like basketball is way down the list of his priorities"

You have no idea what you're talking about.

[ammtd34]

2) You have no idea whether he's been playing good defense or not. You're just saying that because you have a point to make and you think it supports it when in fact you have nothing to back it up. He's a versatile defender and is not the weak link. X allowed 57 points to the 17th most efficient offense in the country last night. The defense is fine.

Yep.

[bleedXblue]

No problem critiquing someone's play. People questioning his mindset or desire to play hard is what embarrasses me.

"It looks like basketball is way down the list of his priorities"

You have no idea what you're talking about.

While I do agree with some of what you're saying, lets not get all righteous and holy for crying out loud. This is an internet message board.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No problem critiquing someone's play. People questioning his mindset or desire to play hard is what embarrasses me.

"It looks like basketball is way down the list of his priorities"

You have no idea what you're talking about.

My thoughts as well.

[XU 87]

While I do agree with some of what you're saying, lets not get all righteous and holy for crying out loud. This is an internet message board.

All the more reason we should watch what we write and say about the players- it's a public forum.

[SemajParlor]

All the more reason we should watch what we write and say about the players- it's a public forum.

Bingo.

[Olsingledigit]

As short of players as this roster is we need Kaiser to put up 12-15 points per game and he hasn't done it. Maybe next year but overall this year he has been the biggest disappointment of the active players.

15 per game would, I think, put Kaiser in the top ten in average in the BE. not happening

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I would love 6 pts/game and some great defense and boards. We got that from him last year. I am not sure where that Kaiser went. Could be anything, hopefully he gets in a great summer and comes back better.

[paulxu]

Well, it's a damn good thing Tre has never missed 3 in a row. Imagine the heat.

[ammtd34]

So I really did watch the tape. Here are Kaiser's defensive possessions. I used only facts and did not interject whether he was good or bad.


Gates Defensive Possessions

1st Half

- Guarding Martin. Switch. Martin Missed 3.
- Guardging Fowler on rotation. Slipped. Martin 2 pts.
- Miscommunication with Tre. Martin 3.

** Mack iterates to communicate switches. "Can't eat jumpers from Kelan Martin."

- Guarding Martin. Switched to Fowler on Screen and roll rotation. Matin 2 points on drive.
- Zone. Kaiser's man didn't touch the ball.
- Matched up with the Pollcok. Closed off post. Chrabs passed out.
- Matched up with Tyler Lewis in zone. Martin missed 3.
- Matched up with Martin. Martin doesn't touch ball.

OUT

In. 4:14 1st half.

- Zone. Ball didn't come to his side.
- Rotate to Wiedman. Prevented Baldwin drive. Kick to Wiedman for 17 foot jumper. Good. Gus: "Out of his range."
- Butler missed transition 3.
- Matched up with Fowler in Zone. Baldwin 3 from opposite corner.


2nd Half

15:51 IN

- Switch to Savage. Defended shot attempt. "Great defense" from Raft.
- Matched with Baldwin from the start of possession. Defended 1 on 1. Baldwin hit contested 18'.
- Matched up with Baldwin. Baldwin didn't touch ball.
- Lewis run out on JP TO.
- Matched with Martin out of bounds. Martin didn't touch ball.
- Fouled Martin on breakaway after JP TO.
- Baldwin/Fowler's side in zone. Baldwin missed 3.
- Matched up with Chrabs. He doesn't touch the ball.

OUT



A fact is that he was beaten 0 times off the dribble as the "matador defense" comments would have you believe.

[X Factor]

You missed something cause there was a play in the first half he came out with his hands up on Martin who was at the three point line. Martin drove right past him and finished on the left side of the hoop.

Again, I like Kaiser, but he hasn't been good lately. Defend him all you want, not sure what you're standards are for playing well.

If Xavier players are on this board reading posts, that's a whole other issue. I didn't know we had to blow sunshine up everyone's butt all the time around here.

I hope Kaiser has a great game tonight...I'll be the first one to congratulate him.

[Harryfe]

How can #1 sub go 2 games without scoring??

[Olsingledigit]

How can #1 sub go 2 games without scoring??
Amen

[Masterofreality]

Another big ZERO from Kaiser Gates, oh, except for that 1 rebound...thereby making his average for the last 6 games.

Pathetic.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Fwiw how many points did any of you score? Get off the kids back. Until you can score one point in college basketballl STFU. Blame Mack, Blame what about bob but never blame a college kid.

[Xuperman]

Lighten up Frances, the criticism is directed at his performance not at him personally. I started this thread because I had a gut feeling that Kaiser was going to rise to the challange of the post season schedule......didn't happen. In fact he turned in the 2 worse games of his career.

[Snipe]

He had a great blocked shot. I am with the Kaiser!

He comes in and takes a few three point shots. If he hits them he is KING. If not then whatever.

He hasn't played his best, obviously. And I am sure he is aware of that and wants to do better.

[Xavier]

Fwiw how many points did any of you score? Get off the kids back. Until you can score one point in college basketballl STFU. Blame Mack, Blame what about bob but never blame a college kid.

Huh?

[muskiefan82]

This is all part of the " Gates sneaking up on people" NCAA tournament plan. Well played, Kaiser.

[Masterofreality]

I'm sorry, but you CAN critique a High Division 1 College Player's "Want To". (Effort)

Kaiser Gates just does NOT go after it. He is lackadaisical and just floats out there most of the time. For a guy who is 6:8 to only average 1 rebound, never create any havoc defensively and never score either inside or outside despite being the alleged "best shooter on the team" is disturbing.

Want a contrast? Malcolm Bernard is two inches shorter and he may not always make his shots, but his effort is undisputed. Malcolm rebounds, creates steals and, oh yeah, hits a shot or two. He gets after it.

There is a reason why Malcolm is in there for a lot more minutes and Kaiser is down to 12-13 mins per game. CMack sees it.

[Xuperman]

This is all part of the " Gates sneaking up on people" NCAA tournament plan. Well played, Kaiser.

Sh!t does happen! Let's take a walk down memory lane shall we.....It's a cold night at the 'Tas, 19 January 2016. JT3 and his band of ragtag G-men come to play and one Tre Campbell has fire in his eyes and intends to take it upon himself to slay the mighty Xavier Goliath. He scorches the nets out of gate and the mighty X-men are quickly dispatched in the wake of his 3 ball barrage. 21 pts on 7/11 shooting! I just looked up his career stats and game log. It is uncanny..... Kaiser IS Tre Campbell.

[xavierj]

I'm sorry, but you CAN critique a High Division 1 College Player's "Want To". (Effort)

Kaiser Gates just does NOT go after it. He is lackadaisical and just floats out there most of the time. For a guy who is 6:8 to only average 1 rebound, never create any havoc defensively and never score either inside or outside despite being the alleged "best shooter on the team" is disturbing.

Want a contrast? Malcolm Bernard is two inches shorter and he may not always make his shots, but his effort is undisputed. Malcolm rebounds, creates steals and, oh yeah, hits a shot or two. He gets after it.

There is a reason why Malcolm is in there for a lot more minutes and Kaiser is down to 12-13 mins per game. CMack sees it.

You are comparing a guy who is 23, at his third college, who has been in college since 2012, who at the same point in his career shot 21% from 3 and averaged 3 points a game in the big south to Kaiser, who is three years younger in his 2nd year of college. While Kaiser has definitely had a disappointing year, that may he a little unfair. Hopefully he can get it together soon, they could use another guy to knock down shots. Kaiser has the tools to be effective on offense and defense, but needs the mindset to get it done.

[Masterofreality]

You are comparing a guy who is 23, at his third college, who has been in college since 2012, who at the same point in his career shot 21% from 3 and averaged 3 points a game in the big south to Kaiser, who is three years younger in his 2nd year of college. While Kaiser has definitely had a disappointing year, that may he a little unfair. Hopefully he can get it together soon, they could use another guy to knock down shots. Kaiser has the tools to be effective on offense and defense, but needs the mindset to get it done.

I'm comparing, let me spell it for you......... E.F.F.O.R.T. NO age grouping needed for that. (See Tyrique Jones).

Nothing unfair about that.

[Drew's Crew]

I'm comparing, let me spell it for you......... E.F.F.O.R.T. NO age grouping needed for that. (See Tyrique Jones).

Nothing unfair about that.

This is most likely an unfair critique. A lot of times when players are stuck in a rut, they lose confidence and struggle to regain it. They overthink their role in plays and try so hard not to mess up. They become hesitant and frustrated. That's where Kaiser is now. It isn't lack of effort, it's lack of comfort. I don't think he will ever regain it this season but hopefully he does next season.

Knocking a guy's effort when you literally attend zero practices, weightlifting sessions and study tables is the definition of armchair coach. Xuperman likely got defensive bc you are a grown man impugning the athletic character of a kid w zero info outside of your own opinion based off of watching him play a few minutes on TV. For whatever reason, Kaiser has lost his confidence and is lost on the court. Maybe it's effort, , but he is really the only one who knows the truth.

If you didn't always approach discussions as a black and white, definitive reality and understood that there is nuance to players, coaches, chemistry, and relationships, then people wouldn't push back so hard sometimes.

[Xavier]

Its tough because I see both sides. Gates can be in a scoring rut, not have much confidence on D and is trying too hard to be in the right spot all the time (thinking instead of instincts). That makes it look like he isn't trying or giving effort.It looks like he is thinking too much which causes him to be a step behind. He can be in a rut on offense, think too much on defense and still cause havoc on the boards or get deflections, though. While it is tough to judge effort- it is even harder to judge if he is thinking too much....but thats what I see.

[Masterofreality]

This is most likely an unfair critique. A lot of times when players are stuck in a rut, they lose confidence and struggle to regain it. They overthink their role in plays and try so hard not to mess up. They become hesitant and frustrated. That's where Kaiser is now. It isn't lack of effort, it's lack of comfort. I don't think he will ever regain it this season but hopefully he does next season.

Knocking a guy's effort when you literally attend zero practices, weightlifting sessions and study tables is the definition of armchair coach. Xuperman likely got defensive bc you are a grown man impugning the athletic character of a kid w zero info outside of your own opinion based off of watching him play a few minutes on TV. For whatever reason, Kaiser has lost his confidence and is lost on the court. Maybe it's effort, , but he is really the only one who knows the truth.

If you didn't always approach discussions as a black and white, definitive reality and understood that there is nuance to players, coaches, chemistry, and relationships, then people wouldn't push back so hard sometimes.

Forget me. Look at the minutesThe Coach is doling out. Gates' minutes have dropped to where basically he's only in there to give productive players breaks. He is not producing, but more importantly efforting. Go talk to the Head Coach with your "unfair" critique.

And, by the way. I'm not watching on TV. I'm in the lower level of the Garden. And I'm not the only one with the same in person observations.

[Xuperman]

Huh,? Not seeing anything on my part as defensive. Prior to Thursdays game and looking at the 8 guys that X has to work with, I had a strong feeling that KG was DUE for a Breakout game. Unfortunately I was wrong. Actually having had his worse two games back to back, I could not have been more wrong.

[JEHARDI]

Clearly, a lost season for Gates, pure board speculation as to why. The competition for minutes over the next 2 years will increase, he will either get it and begin to fight like hell for his minutes or he will be added depth as the 9th or 10th man if he stays.
I hope he stays and puts it together, like so many other X bigs that took longer to develop. I am sure no one is more frustrated than him.

[Xuperman]

That pretty much sums it up. Definately a lost season as a whole for him but with more ball to play come more opportunity. Hate to see him flame out going forward or transfer.....that would constitute the loss of the entire 2015 recruiting class.

[Drew's Crew]

Forget me. Look at the minutesThe Coach is doling out. Gates' minutes have dropped to where basically he's only in there to give productive players breaks. He is not producing, but more importantly efforting. Go talk to the Head Coach with your "unfair" critique.

And, by the way. I'm not watching on TV. I'm in the lower level of the Garden. And I'm not the only one with the same in person observations.

Once again, you are now definitively stating that minutes is a direct result of effort not results. That's a bold statement.

[Harryfe]

Perhaps he is just putting in his time waiting for this year to get over so he can transfer out. You can criticize LACK OF EFFORT. We do need him to finish out the year just to have enough bodies to play out the game. I suspect he is history after this year either by his or Chris's choice.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kaiser has played 8 more mins than Jones and the same as Gaston over the last 2 games. He hasnt played well but Mack is STILL putting him out there for decent minutes. To say he isnt playing more because of effort is purely speculative. Fine if you want to have that opinion but at least call it what it is your opinion, dont state it as fact.

Something tells me Kaiser wouldnt be getting the minutes he is getting if Mack thought he wasnt showing any effort. Lets not take poor play and lack of stats and automatically attribute it as poor effort. Is Kaiser playing poorly? Absolutely. Is Mack and the team and all the fans probably frustrated by his poor play? Yeah.

[Xavier]

Perhaps he is just putting in his time waiting for this year to get over so he can transfer out. You can criticize LACK OF EFFORT. We do need him to finish out the year just to have enough bodies to play out the game. I suspect he is history after this year either by his or Chris's choice.

Ignorant.

[Harryfe]

Kaiser has played 8 more mins than Jones and the same as Gaston over the last 2 games. He hasnt played well but Mack is STILL putting him out there for decent minutes. To say he isnt playing more because of effort is purely speculative. Fine if you want to have that opinion but at least call it what it is your opinion, dont state it as fact.

Something tells me Kaiser wouldnt be getting the minutes he is getting if Mack thought he wasnt showing any effort. Lets not take poor play and lack of stats and automatically attribute it as poor effort. Is Kaiser playing poorly? Absolutely. Is Mack and the team and all the fans probably frustrated by his poor play? Yeah.
Do you really think he shows the effort of Q, JP, Tre, Malcolm, etc. As said before Chris recognizes it and therefore has played him reduced minutes even with a short bench. You can't compare hisminutes to Jones, Rashid and Sean. They all play the same position. Kaiser is the sub for all 4 other positions.

[American X]

Perhaps he is just putting in his time waiting for this year to get over so he can transfer out. You can criticize LACK OF EFFORT. We do need him to finish out the year just to have enough bodies to play out the game. I suspect he is history after this year either by his or Chris's choice.

Good Lord. Are you a Xavier fan? Your posts are usually slightly douchey, but you are an outright jerk here. Please think before you post.

Kaiser Gates is going to crush it as an upperclassman.

[Xavier]

Do you really think he shows the effort of Q, JP, Tre, Malcolm, etc. As said before Chris recognizes it and therefore has played him reduced minutes even with a short bench. You can't compare hisminutes to Jones, Rashid and Sean. They all play the same position. Kaiser is the sub for all 4 other positions.

Kaiser is a sub for PG?

[XUFan09]

Kaiser has played 8 more mins than Jones and the same as Gaston over the last 2 games. He hasnt played well but Mack is STILL putting him out there for decent minutes. To say he isnt playing more because of effort is purely speculative. Fine if you want to have that opinion but at least call it what it is your opinion, dont state it as fact.

Something tells me Kaiser wouldnt be getting the minutes he is getting if Mack thought he wasnt showing any effort. Lets not take poor play and lack of stats and automatically attribute it as poor effort. Is Kaiser playing poorly? Absolutely. Is Mack and the team and all the fans probably frustrated by his poor play? Yeah.
Yeah, saying the reason for the reduced minutes is due to lack of effort is just begging the question. Some of you have already decided on your conclusion, and now you're trying to provide "evidence," even if it doesn't necessarily lead to that conclusion.

Gates hasn't been playing well lately, and it's coincided with Bernard playing well, Trevon being Trevon, J.P. being J.P., and Goodin playing well. Even if he was doing okay, he would still be losing minutes, but the drop in minutes has been more notable because he isn't playing well.

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[Harryfe]

Kaiser is a sub for PG?
Yes. He is sub at pg. he comes in and JP moves to pg. Just a rotation of positions. We have only 5 people to play the the 1 thru 4 positions

[Backyard Champ]

Yes. He is sub at pg. he comes in and JP moves to pg. Just a rotation of positions. We have only 5 people to play the the 1 thru 4 positions

Wait.. so you think him coming in and JP moving to Point means he's a sub at point guard? Yikes.

[xavierj]

Perhaps he is just putting in his time waiting for this year to get over so he can transfer out. You can criticize LACK OF EFFORT. We do need him to finish out the year just to have enough bodies to play out the game. I suspect he is history after this year either by his or Chris's choice.

You get award for dumbest post of the year on this board. Thanks for coming out.

[scoscox]

The biggest thing with Kaiser is that he looks so unsure of himself on both defense and offense. He does and has rebounded well though, which is mostly effort

[xavierj]

Kaiser doubled his minutes this year to 20 mins a game from 10. He is struggling but the coaches think he can shoot and be a plus defender. They need height next year so doubt they would be playing him at all if he would leave. Guys leave when coaches give them no minutes and think they won't get minutes moving forward.

[xavierj]

Good Lord. Are you a Xavier fan? Your posts are usually slightly douchey, but you are an outright jerk here. Please think before you post.

Kaiser Gates is going to crush it as an upperclassman.

I would be shocked if he was a Xavier fan. Had zero to say during and after Butler game.

[xu82]

Good Lord. Are you a Xavier fan? Your posts are usually slightly douchey, but you are an outright jerk here. Please think before you post.

Kaiser Gates is going to crush it as an upperclassman.

Fan? Sounds more like an ignorant and uninformed critic. Life is too short for people who lean to the negative. I don't know how it turns out, but I'm optimistic.

[Harryfe]

You get award for dumbest post of the year on this board. Thanks for coming out.
And I guess I was wrong when I said how little help Myles Davis return would be?

[xavierj]

And I guess I was wrong when I said how little help Myles Davis return would be?

Nope but if he could have not been stupid, he probably would be helping now. He is to blame. But do you see anything good after all the adversity this team has faced? You love to bash, which is fine, but do you only look for problems? You can find that with any sports team.

[Harryfe]

Nope but if he could have not been stupid, he probably would be helping now. He is to blame. But do you see anything good after all the adversity this team has faced? You love to bash, which is fine, but do you only look for problems? You can find that with any sports team.
Ok. I think Tre is one of the best players X has ever had. Love JP. Sean and Q greatly improved through the season. Rashid and Malcolm good acquisitions. Tyrique should improve a great deal through the years. Very much looking forward to our 2017 class. I am a fan. Just very disappointed in Kaiser. Chris has done a great job this year with what he has had to work with.

[xu82]

Ok. I think Tre is one of the best players X has ever had. Love JP. Sean and Q greatly improved through the season. Rashid and Malcolm good acquisitions. Tyrique should improve a great deal through the years. Very much looking forward to our 2017 class. I am a fan. Just very disappointed in Kaiser. Chris has done a great job this year with what he has had to work with.

Do you want everything perfect at the same time? Do you understand ups and downs? Progress is not perfection. I loved seeing Gates put the ball on the floor and attack recently. The knee injury may have slowed the progress there. He's getting better in my mind. Sounds harsh to me for a sophomore.

[Harryfe]

Do you want everything perfect at the same time? Do you understand ups and downs? Progress is not perfection. I loved seeing Gates put the ball on the floor and attack recently. The knee injury may have slowed the progress there. He's getting better in my mind. Sounds harsh to me for a sophomore.
I thought it was funny when CM was asked about KG's knee months ago he said "he had a scope not an amputation". It seems to me CM is also disappointed in the play of Gates.

[xu82]

I thought it was funny when CM was asked about KG's knee months ago he said "he had a scope not an amputation". It seems to me CM is also disappointed in the play of Gates.

He wanted him to step up. What do you understand? It doesn't make Gates a failure (with or without surgery), but it WAS a set back in his development. And if you thought it was "funny", it exposes your twisted view of the world.

[Xavier]

Yes. He is sub at pg. he comes in and JP moves to pg. Just a rotation of positions. We have only 5 people to play the the 1 thru 4 positions

If jp Moves to PG then gates isn't a sub for pg..

[Juice]

If jp Moves to PG then gates isn't a sub for pg..

People shouldn't even be arguing with him on this.

[XfansinKy]

I was looking forward to him coming into his own this year as a big player who could move and handle the ball well enough to play 3-4 positions. Mack said he had an awesome Summer before the knee injury. I still think it's the knee. Sometimes I isolate on him because he's been one of my surprise favorites and he just doesn't look physically comfortable like last year. A bum knee can ruin a season.

[xavierj]

I thought it was funny when CM was asked about KG's knee months ago he said "he had a scope not an amputation". It seems to me CM is also disappointed in the play of Gates.

What happened. Did you get lost?

[AviatorX]

What happened. Did you get lost?

Haha. Literally no one to criticize after this weekend. Gaston did miss a layup at the end I guess.

[GIMMFD]

Haha. Literally no one to criticize after this weekend. Gaston did miss a layup at the end I guess.

Damn walk-ons, Tim Stainbrook should have hit a 3 at the end.

[Masterofreality]

I am very happy to say that Kaiser Gates is PRESENT AND ACCOUNTED FOR!!!

Outstanding performance!!

[Harryfe]

What happened. Did you get lost?

I'm here. Great 2 games by KG. And Tre, SOM, TJ. Good games by JP and Malcolm. And Q greatly improved as freshman pg. Now on to San Jose

[paulxu]

http://a4.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2017%2F0318%2Fr191654_1296x518_5% 2D2.jpg&w=1006&h=402&scale=crop&cquality=80&location=origin
Kaiser Gates came off the bench and hit 4-of-5 from 3-point range as Xavier rolled past Florida State and into the Sweet 16. Kim Klement/USA TODAY Sports

[D-West & PO-Z]

The King!

[X-ceptional]

Kaiser is The Hair KingTM. All others are just imitators... never duplicators.

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/kaiser-gates-of-the-xavier-musketeers-celebrates-a-3point-shot-in-the-picture-id654952498?s=594x594 > http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/terance-mann-of-the-florida-state-seminoles-reacts-in-the-second-half-picture-id654954984?s=594x594

[Grizzx12]

Kaiser scored 14 points tonight.....this thread is at 14 pages......maybe we need to somehow get it to like 30 pages by next week and keep this train chugging?

[X-ceptional]

Kaiser scored 14 points tonight.....this thread is at 14 pages......maybe we need to somehow get it to like 30 pages by next week and keep this train chugging?

Idk, but someone will inevitably comment about how you should change your settings to show 100000000000000 comments on one page...

:shield:

[Cincypunk.org]

The confidence is back!!!

[XfansinKy]

I thought it was his knee. Whatever it is, he played his best back to back games at X. He played a bunch of different positions on defense and harassed FSU's big guys on the boards. His big shots just took the will out of FSU.

[Xuperman]

That is precisely the problem. It is the post season now and that simply is not enough to make a difference.
The starters stats are pretty much consistent and you see where that gets us. We desperately need bench points to make any kind of run and sadly our bench consists of 3 guys. He needs to hit 3/4 threes plus some garbage in the paint and start notching some 14+ games.

Took the big stage and a transfusion of ice water!!!

[MauriceX]

Idk, but someone will inevitably comment about how you should change your settings to show 100000000000000 comments on one page...

:shield:

I mean... I am only on page 4. We've got a lot of work to do to get it to 30...

[paulxu]

On the Xavier Gameday twitter account there is a great GIF of Kaiser, which says "Open the Gates"

But I have no idea how to make it show up here on this site.

Xavier Gameday‏ @XavierGameday Mar 18

This boy @Kaisergates is out his mind!
1 reply 21 retweets 34 likes

[xu82]

I mean... I am only on page 4. We've got a lot of work to do to get it to 30...

Change your settings and we can win the whole thing! It's all on you now.

[X-ceptional]

On the Xavier Gameday twitter account there is a great GIF of Kaiser, which says "Open the Gates"

But I have no idea how to make it show up here on this site.

Xavier Gameday‏ @XavierGameday Mar 18

This boy @Kaisergates is out his mind!
1 reply 21 retweets 34 likes

Got you, paul.

http://i.imgur.com/C2gsxpr.gif

[paulxu]

Thanks!!!

(how the hell did you do that?)

[xu82]

Thanks!!!

(how the hell did you do that?)

He's a witch. Black computer magic!

(I have no idea, so that's the best I can do.)

[xu82]

OK, big FINISH by USC!!!!

[X-ceptional]

Thanks!!!

(how the hell did you do that?)


He's a witch. Black computer magic!

(I have no idea, so that's the best I can do.)

Short answer, 82 nailed it. If you want the long answer, the thing with Twitter is the gifs aren't actually stored as gifs on the website. They are still videos, so you can't just copy the gif address and paste it here with IMG tags. Anyway, imgur has a relatively new video to gif converter... http://imgur.com/vidgif. It sometimes doesn't always seem to play nicely with twitter, but for the most part it does the job!

[xu82]

Short answer, 82 nailed it. If you want the long answer, the thing with Twitter is the gifs aren't actually stored as gifs on the website. They are still videos, so you can't just copy the gif address and paste it here with IMG tags. Anyway, imgur has a relatively new video to gif converter... http://imgur.com/vidgif. It sometimes doesn't always seem to play nicely with twitter, but for the most part it does the job!

As I said, black magic!

[GIMMFD]

Bump.

[xufan2020]

The shot is looking great and what a defender he is! But damn he still doesn’t look that confident finishing around the rim. One time I’d just like to see him drive hard to the rim, elevate, and throw down a hard dunk. I know he can do it. Keep at it Kaiser!

[xu82]

Better, and better is good enough for me right now. And he just keeps getting better. LOVE it!

[Emp]

The shot is looking great and what a defender he is! But damn he still doesn’t look that confident finishing around the rim. One time I’d just like to see him drive hard to the rim, elevate, and throw down a hard dunk. I know he can do it. Keep at it Kaiser!

That dunk thing didn't work so well for Baylor at a critical moment last night. It's two points whether he finger rolls or dunks. I'd prefer he just play within his own comfort zone. 35 minutes and he just looks so composed out there.

[paulxu]

In game comment:


Jeff Borzello ESPN Staff Writer

NBA guys are intrigued by Xavier's Kaiser Gates. 6-foot-8, shoots it consistently from the perimeter, bouncy. Also really guards, versatile defender. Has 16 points, five boards tonight against Baylor.

[GIMMFD]

In game comment:

I saw that last night too, I have a feeling Kaiser will have a big season, but I have a better feeling he'll be back to lead us for his Senior season, I think with him having a bigger role next year, he could really be special. We're finally seeing what Mack was talking about with Kaiser being the rest shooter on this team, and I'm hoping he stays confident and uses this to propel himself into a monster year.

[SemajParlor]

Hey Kaiser, replace Ed's scoring load, make 4-5 3s a game, put on weight and rebound like James Farr, but don't lose your athleticness and quickness because we expected you to be that.

You're welcome.

[SemajParlor]

On a serious note - it's still obviously very early in the season. However I am pleasantly surprised to see that not only has Kaiser been serviceable in the rotation, but he's been a real asset for us on both ends. Maybe the most important thing about him - he will continue to get looks. Teams simply have no other choice other than to pick their poison this year. If he plays like he did last night, this year could be something special guys.

[UCGRAD4X]

Hoping he did today.

[American X]

What's cooler than being cool?

Kaiser Gates - Ice Cold (https://twitter.com/XavierGameday/status/937033667674750976)

[D-West & PO-Z]

He has been unreal. If he continues to rebound and defend like this he has legitimate NBA prospects. Always a spot for a 6'8 3 point shooter who can defend and rebound.

[Muskeagle]

He has been unreal. If he continues to rebound and defend like this he has legitimate NBA prospects. Always a spot for a 6'8 3 point shooter who can defend and rebound.

Absolutely...I actually think he has the most NBA upside of anyone on the roster.

[bleedXblue]

Last year you could still see some wavering and his confidence level was not where it needed to be all the time. This year, he has a different look and way that he is carrying himself and its translating into his play on the court. Yes, Kaiser has the body and skill set to play at the next level.

[Caveat]

His defense has a chance to become elite-level if he continues to work at it.

[American X]

Kaiser was a Swiss Army Knife for Christmas. Totally locked in on drilling 3s, defense and rebounding.

[whopper]

he plays like a poor man's shane battier

[paulxu]

50% from the field (60% from 3), perfect from the line, led the team in rebounds.

[JTG]

he plays like a poor man's shane battier

And, he doesn't have Battler's ugly head wrinkles.

[Xuperman]

The stats say that the Battier comparison is not a good one...he was a far more complete college player. A MUCH better comparison is Ethan Wragge of resent Bluejay fame because they are somewhat BE contemporaries. He like Kaiser have attempted over 70% of their shots from distance.......I find that very unusual for 6"7'/6"8' 225 lb forwards, but it is what it is. KG has attempted only 83 2 pointers in his entire career to date!....but that is starting to change FOR THE BETTER...:rtfm:

[AviatorX]

The stats say that the Battier comparison is not a good one...he was a far more complete college player. A MUCH better comparison is Ethan Wragge of resent Bluejay fame because they are somewhat BE contemporaries. He like Kaiser have attempted over 70% of their shots from distance.......I find that very unusual for 6"7'/6"8' 225 lb forwards, but it is what it is. KG has attempted only 83 2 pointers in his entire career to date!....but that is starting to change FOR THE BETTER...:rtfm:

Kaiser gates should be shooting layups/dunks and threes. No need for anything else too regularly.

[Juice]

Kaiser gates should be shooting layups/dunks and threes. No need for anything else too regularly.

Or really any basketball player

[stophorseabuse]

The stats say that the Battier comparison is not a good one...he was a far more complete college player. A MUCH better comparison is Ethan Wragge of resent Bluejay fame because they are somewhat BE contemporaries. He like Kaiser have attempted over 70% of their shots from distance.......I find that very unusual for 6"7'/6"8' 225 lb forwards, but it is what it is. KG has attempted only 83 2 pointers in his entire career to date!....but that is starting to change FOR THE BETTER...:rtfm:

I don’t remember Wragge doing Gates type of things on the defensive end. Gates is a plus defender. Not nearly as “plus” as Battier, but closer to a great man defender than an average defender. He also makes 3’s very well. There lies the poor mans Battier. I like the comparison.

[XUFan09]

I don’t remember Wragge doing Gates type of things on the defensive end. Gates is a plus defender. Not nearly as “plus” as Battier, but closer to a great man defender than an average defender. He also makes 3’s very well. There lies the poor mans Battier. I like the comparison.Yeah, Wragge was very one-dimensional. Gates can attack bad closeouts on offense and get putbacks from time to time. He already has 6 more two-point attempts than Wragge had his entire senior season.

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[Xuperman]

I don’t remember Wragge doing Gates type of things on the defensive end. Gates is a plus defender. Not nearly as “plus” as Battier, but closer to a great man defender than an average defender. He also makes 3’s very well. There lies the poor mans Battier. I like the comparison.

Touche'.....Definitely KG is a lock down defender!!!

[GIMMFD]

Not sure who I'd compare him to, just know that he's really made a leap this season so far. I'm glad he's showing that shot that Mack kept talking about in practice, good shooters eventually show that they're good. But yes, he defense is the biggest take away, he's long and athletic, and can be a match-up nightmare at times. I wonder if it's because of all of the other scoring options we have, but I guess we will find out next season how good he's really gotten.

[xuwin]

Not sure who I'd compare him to, just know that he's really made a leap this season so far. I'm glad he's showing that shot that Mack kept talking about in practice, good shooters eventually show that they're good. But yes, he defense is the biggest take away, he's long and athletic, and can be a match-up nightmare at times. I wonder if it's because of all of the other scoring options we have, but I guess we will find out next season how good he's really gotten.

Very few teams have a player his size that can defend the whole court. He's a special weapon on defense against teams that have a big that can step outside.

[X-ceptional]

I guess we will find out next season how good he's really gotten.

Was talking about this a little in the UNI live chat... I'm in no hurry to get through this season, but I'm excited for The Kaiser's senior campaign. I think he'll be more than capable to put the team on his back! For now, I'm ready to see him work through the BEast alongside Tre and JPMFMMFM this year... starting tonight!

[Xuperman]

I found myself not wanting KG to come out of the game against Butler, especially in the 2nd half. They seemed to go on mini runs with him on the bench. His defense is remarkable in that respect. He logged right at his average of 26 minutes and scored a little above normal, but he always leaves me wanting more offensively. I know it would take minutes away from Naj and even KK to some extent but it feels like he is about to take his scoring to another level. Anyone else think he should be getting 3-4 more looks? He averages less than 7.

[xuwin]

I found myself not wanting KG to come out of the game against Butler, especially in the 2nd half. They seemed to go on mini runs with him on the bench. His defense is remarkable in that respect. He logged right at his average of 26 minutes and scored a little above normal, but he always leaves me wanting more offensively. I know it would take minutes away from Naj and even KK to some extent but it feels like he is about to take his scoring to another level. Anyone else think he should be getting 3-4 more looks? He averages less than 7.

He was in foul trouble in the Butler game. They finally put him back in the game with about 5 minutes left with 4 fouls. He limited his playing time.

Xavier's offense is very efficient the way it is and we don't need him shooting more. Maybe next year he will have to take on a bigger offensive load.

[stophorseabuse]

I found myself not wanting KG to come out of the game against Butler, especially in the 2nd half. They seemed to go on mini runs with him on the bench. His defense is remarkable in that respect. He logged right at his average of 26 minutes and scored a little above normal, but he always leaves me wanting more offensively. I know it would take minutes away from Naj and even KK to some extent but it feels like he is about to take his scoring to another level. Anyone else think he should be getting 3-4 more looks? He averages less than 7.

I think he is right where he needs to be. Kaiser is not very hard to guard, and he is certainly not a dynamic player offensively, but the second you forget him, BANG. I don’t want him forcing thing by driving or pulling up mid range, or forcing 3’s. Just be a really good defender, above average rebounder, and a floor spreader and I will take it. I’m sure only playing 26 is making him a far better defender late in the game. I’m sure he is going to be way more involved next year, but he may really struggle in that role.

[stophorseabuse]

I have also been impressed with how hard he plays this year. He flys in transition to get to the arch. He works to get his looks for sure. Very little designed for him.

[xu koop scoop]

He still shoots 70% or more of his attempts from 3 pt land. Don't want the number of 3s to diminish, but half of his attempts or more should be 2 pt shots. He's much better at 3s than James Farr was, but needs to go inside A LOT MORE like Farr eventually did.

[Xavier]

He still shoots 70% or more of his attempts from 3 pt land. Don't want the number of 3s to diminish, but half of his attempts or more should be 2 pt shots. He's much better at 3s than James Farr was, but needs to go inside A LOT MORE like Farr eventually did.

Thats just not what his game is right now and not really what we need IMO. I can see wanting a few more pump fakes and drives, but he isn't going to be back to the basket at all, especially this year.

[XMuskieFTW]

He still shoots 70% or more of his attempts from 3 pt land. Don't want the number of 3s to diminish, but half of his attempts or more should be 2 pt shots. He's much better at 3s than James Farr was, but needs to go inside A LOT MORE like Farr eventually did.

I don't understand this line of thinking at all. He's our best three point shooter and shoots a worse percentage from 2 than from 3. Why does he need to be something he is not. James Farr could bang down low, was an elite rebounder, and really wasn't very good from 3. Kaiser can't bang down low, is an above average rebounder, and is elite from 3. Their games aren't similar at all, thus they shouldn't play similar roles. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to satellite dishes.

[stophorseabuse]

I don't understand this line of thinking at all. He's our best three point shooter and shoots a worse percentage from 2 than from 3. Why does he need to be something he is not. James Farr could bang down low, was an elite rebounder, and really wasn't very good from 3. Kaiser can't bang down low, is an above average rebounder, and is elite from 3. Their games aren't similar at all, thus they shouldn't play similar roles. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to satellite dishes.

Very true, and with our point guard situation he HAS to be that 3rd guy spreading the floor so Q and Scruggs can get into the lane. We already have 2 true Centers, and 2 PGs that can’t shoot. They function perfectly with a stretch 4. Him posting up would simply destroy our spacing and make us much easier to guard.

[Xavier]

I am pretty sure Farr was brought in to be a stretch four that can shoot the 3. He really changed his game around during his time at X. It was a great transition. Gates doesn't need to do that right now.

[SemajParlor]

If anyone is comparable to Farr on this team it'd be Kanter. Even then their skill sets are pretty different. In opinion James Farr was one of the most underrated players in recent memory (especially his Senior year). There's a really strong argument to be made he was the MVP of that great 2015-16 team.

[Xuperman]

He logged right at his average of 26 minutes. Anyone else think he should be getting 3-4 more looks? He averages less than 7.

This offense can stretch the defense as well as any in the country. We have had NO PROBLEM getting open looks from distance. I guess I am having trouble understanding why Kaiser is not attempting more shots. After all, isn't there a concensus among players and staff that he is our best shooter? This offense can get him as many open looks CM wants him to get. Only attempting 6 per in the first 3 BE games.....what would be the downside of getting 9 or 10 from an elite shooter?

[markchal]

Gates is doing everything he needs to be. Solid enough on the glass, very good defender (especially against the quicker, smaller 4s, he's not much against a banger) and has a very quick trigger. That said, I agree with some that think he could be more assertive on offense. He's filling his role very well this year, but when JP or Tre is slumping, I'd like to see him be a bit more aggressive in trying to find his shot. I think he can be a lot more than just a 3-shooter, although it's gonna take time to grow into that role (time he won't really have next year).

[XUFan09]

I am pretty sure Farr was brought in to be a stretch four that can shoot the 3. He really changed his game around during his time at X. It was a great transition. Gates doesn't need to do that right now.He was. He had a good three-point shot as a sophomore, but he just could never get it going as a junior. Between that issue and his massive size, the transition to playing in the post made sense. The problem is now anyone who can't seem to accept a big that mostly shoots threes will use Farr as an example of what that big "should be." They are flat-out wrong but still annoying.

In terms of two-point shots, the only thing I want to see more from Gates in the near future is attacking bad closeouts. Otherwise, keep shooting the three.

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[GoMuskies]

If anyone is comparable to Farr on this team it'd be Kanter.

I think they're pretty different. Kanter can shoot. Farr forgot how to shoot, but wisely stopped shooting. I haven't looked at rebounding rates, but does Kanter rebound like Big Jimmy?

[waggy]

Kanter has a little Stainbrook (passing) in him.

[Xavier]

I think they're pretty different. Kanter can shoot. Farr forgot how to shoot, but wisely stopped shooting. I haven't looked at rebounding rates, but does Kanter rebound like Big Jimmy?

I'd be shocked. Farr was a machine at rebounding.

[XUFan09]

I think they're pretty different. Kanter can shoot. Farr forgot how to shoot, but wisely stopped shooting. I haven't looked at rebounding rates, but does Kanter rebound like Big Jimmy?Not quite that well, but his defensive rebounding rate is one of the best in the Big East (better than Tyrique's currently) and his offensive rebounding rate would put him at the back end of the top 10 in the Big East.

Overall, I'd say that Kanter is one of the better rebounders in the Big East, but Farr was one of the better rebounders in the country.

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[SemajParlor]

I think they're pretty different. Kanter can shoot. Farr forgot how to shoot, but wisely stopped shooting. I haven't looked at rebounding rates, but does Kanter rebound like Big Jimmy?

Yeah that comparison is not the strongest. It more of the big lefty who had the ability to step out. I actually didn't realize Farr only took 8 3p his senior year after attempting 45 his Junior year. Good call on that. A few takeaways from just briefly glancing.

Without stating the obvious factors. (We all know Farr was a better rebounder than Kanter) statistically they are actually not too far off. Again use the largest grain of salt you can find - as it's ridiculous to use stats at this point in the season as legitimate comparisons.


Kanter is really really good offensive player

[markchal]

Kanter may not be the rebounder Farr was, but he has an incredible handle, which is rare for someone that size and definitely helps when other teams are being more aggressive when we bring the ball up. Kanter has been such a pleasant surprise.

[SemajParlor]

Not quite that well, but his defensive rebounding rate is one of the best in the Big East (better than Tyrique's currently) and his offensive rebounding rate would put him at the back end of the top 10 in the Big East.

Overall, I'd say that Kanter is one of the better rebounders in the Big East, but Farr was one of the better rebounders in the country.

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You beat me too it. Agree with everything here.

[SemajParlor]

While we're on the topic of way too early advanced stats. Holy Sean O'Mara. He's been awesome this year.

[xuwin]

I think they're pretty different. Kanter can shoot. Farr forgot how to shoot, but wisely stopped shooting. I haven't looked at rebounding rates, but does Kanter rebound like Big Jimmy?

Farr was stronger around the basket but Kanter runs the floor and handles the ball much better in the open court.

[Xuperman]

Kaiser was a ghost out there and lost the game for X......please direct the Kanter/Farr/to who ever/ comparisions to the Kanter thread.....sorry I am upset

[Juice]

Kaiser was a ghost out there and lost the game for X......please direct the Kanter/Farr/to who ever/ comparisions to the Kanter thread.....sorry I am upset

He lost the game? He obviously played poorly but I can think of several other reasons/other players combined with his play on why they lost.

[Xuperman]

Don't even mention Paul Scruggs....if not #22 then who? CM? I continue to be very upset

[Joepalooka]

While we're on the topic of way too early advanced stats. Holy Sean O'Mara. He's been awesome this year.
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Sean has been a beast (possibly past the oft-stated 'lacking confidence' commentary). His production / minutes played is impressive.

[Joepalooka]

Farr was stronger around the basket but Kanter runs the floor and handles the ball much better in the open court.

Farr became a beast on the glass his Senior year. Kanter has an atypical forward game for 'Forward U' / Xavier but I love his versatility!

[XUFan09]

Farr became a beast on the glass his Senior year. Kanter has an atypical forward game for 'Forward U' / Xavier but I love his versatility!Farr was a beast on the glass the whole time be was at Xavier. It was his senior year when more people started to notice it. His career total rebounding rate ranks 1st in the Big East and 25th in the nation since 2009-2010, when Basketball Reference started tracking it.

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[bleedXblue]

You have to find more time for Kanter. The problem is, who do you sit? If I had to right now it's GAtes, but then he provides way more than Kanter on the defensive end.

[whopper]

You have to find more time for Kanter. The problem is, who do you sit? If I had to right now it's GAtes, but then he provides way more than Kanter on the defensive end.

The solution comes from within. With this depth there is no need to pace oneself..there is not need not to take risks on the boards, fronting the post, running the floor (even O'Mara). Then everyone would be so tired they would begging for rest. You would increase deflections, get some more fast break/trailing baskets, and get more 50/50 balls. What I see now is a little bit of complacency in that "I have my role and minutes defined" and we are not getting the majority of effort plays (maybe losing 55/45). Flip that and you have probably a swing of 4-6 mpg

[Cheesehead]

Kaiser hasn't been the same since the concussion. I hope he can pick it back up offensively. He can play defense against 3-4 positions. X will need contributions from everyone in order to make another great run in March.

[Xuperman]

Kaiser hasn't been the same since the concussion. I hope he can pick it back up offensively. He can play defense against 3-4 positions. X will need contributions from everyone in order to make another great run in March.

Cool, Maybe this thread can stay on topic. Why do you think/assume Saturday had anything to do with his concussion? He has always disappeared in stretches. but he was a ghost vs Pc. He has about 50 games left.......C'MON MAN!!

[Xuperman]

I am perplexed! Is he in C Mack's doghouse? That can't be the case, he continues to get the start. Can't be the concussion thing for the same reason......he hits a BIG deep water 3 to pull us within 7 and promptly disappears. 14 minutes? That is half his average. Maybe Naj is killing him in practice and Coach is giving him his minutes. He gets the start for being an upperclassman. I guess that would make sense of it, otherwise, isn't he our best defender?

[atljar]

I am perplexed! Is he in C Mack's doghouse? That can't be the case, he continues to get the start. Can't be the concussion thing for the same reason......he hits a BIG deep water 3 to pull us within 7 and promptly disappears. 14 minutes? That is half his average. Maybe Naj is killing him in practice and Coach is giving him his minutes. He gets the start for being an upperclassman. I guess that would make sense of it, otherwise, isn't he our best defender?

Ya I dont know what happened either. I asked myself over and over again where he was last night during the game.

[XUFan09]

He wasn't doing much on the offensive end or on the glass, so he didn't play a lot of minutes. That simple.

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[Xuperman]

He wasn't doing much on the offensive end or on the glass, so he didn't play a lot of minutes. That simple

Not that simple. Again the 3 was pure nylon AND he shot it with confidence. That makes him the hot hand until proven not but he was pulled.

[XUFan09]

Not that simple. Again the 3 was pure nylon AND he shot it with confidence. That makes him the hot hand until proven not but he was pulled.Hot hand? He hit ONE three. He also only took two shots, which was the major problem. He has to get open to be useful. It he had been 1-5 from three so far instead of 1-2, he would have been more likely to stay in, because he was getting shots and long-term percentages would indicate that he'd start hitting. Instead, he was passive.

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[Xville]

It may be time to start Naji and move Tre to the four...we could use some athleticism and someone that doesn't just stand around the three point line in the starting lineup. I think by inserting Naji, it brings a little more balance to the lineup and I think he can handle it.

[GetUp5]

Not that simple. Again the 3 was pure nylon AND he shot it with confidence. That makes him the hot hand until proven not but he was pulled.

Most cringeworthy post of the day.

[Xuperman]

Not sure if ur taking a shot at me or in agreement but it certainly is obvious what has happened to him recently does make one cringe. How can an experienced "best pure shooter on the team" that shoots 43% from distance AND our top defender, end up getting benched after hitting a huge 3? 14 minutes and 2 looks are deeply concerning.

[XUFan09]

Not sure if ur taking a shot at me or in agreement but it certainly is obvious what has happened to him recently does make one cringe. How can an experienced "best pure shooter on the team" that shoots 43% from distance AND our top defender, end up getting benched after hitting a huge 3? 14 minutes and 2 looks are deeply concerning.It's already been said; he wasn't getting open for shots. Two shot attempts in fourteen minutes is simply bad when a player's offensive role is to shoot threes. And it's not like he was rebounding to make up for it in any way.

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[xukeith]

He never has been a good rebounder.

[Xuperman]

It's already been said; he wasn't getting open for shots. Two shot attempts in fourteen minutes is simply bad when a player's offensive role is to shoot threes. And it's not like he was rebounding to make up for it in any way.

It's only been said by you and for that matter a POOR OBSERVATION. Who was getting all those "open shots" you speak of? Defense alone gets him his normal 26 minutes, ESPECIALLY in that game when no one seemed to be playing any.....our best defender, right? 14 minutes total court time is roughly 7 minutes on the offensive end anyway and that is not enough to justify benching your "best shooter" unless your CM, and he is not saying.

[Lloyd Braun]

I actually think Kaiser’s rebounding has improved this year. He’s one of the few guys hustling for the ball. I don’t know if there are any advanced stats to show this or if it’s just perceived...

[XUFan09]

It's only been said by you and for that matter a POOR OBSERVATION. Who was getting all those "open shots" you speak of? Defense alone gets him his normal 26 minutes, ESPECIALLY in that game when no one seemed to be playing any.....our best defender, right? 14 minutes total court time is roughly 7 minutes on the offensive end anyway and that is not enough to justify benching your "best shooter" unless your CM, and he is not saying.Hardly a poor observation, but you go right ahead with your misguided views.

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[XUFan09]

He never has been a good rebounder.That's not really true. He's never been an elite rebounder but he generally is a good one. He is a bit inconsistent on the glass, though.

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[SemajParlor]

He never has been a good rebounder.

"He never had the makings of a varsity athlete." Anyone?

[vee4xu]

Maybe this thread name needs to read:

Will the Existing Kaiser Gates Please Be Seated (At Least for a Few Games)

[drudy23]

One of those games where Kaiser should have planted himself on the boards when he realized they were going to take away his strength. You still have to be able to impact the game if you can't get shots. Otherwise, just go sit down.

Also, it would have been interesting to see him guard Brunson, because no one else could.

[Cheesehead]

Mack stated at the coach show last night that Kaiser needs to rebound better and alluded a change in starting lineup is possible for Saturday.

[Lloyd Braun]

Mack stated at the coach show last night that Kaiser needs to rebound better and alluded a change in starting lineup is possible for Saturday.

Naji replaces Kaiser today in starting lineup. Kanter also starting for Tyrique to offset offense. Hopefully this works to jumpstart Kaiser, he is a key piece to this teams success.

[GIMMFD]

Naji replaces Kaiser today in starting lineup. Kanter also starting for Tyrique to offset offense. Hopefully this works to jumpstart Kaiser, he is a key piece to this teams success.

Bump.

[Lloyd Braun]

Guess it worked. Feels like this should be in the “Greatest Coach in America” thread.

[Xuperman]

He's a mystery wrapped in an enigma! Has yet to crack 500 points as he approaches his 100th game. Basically he has been reduced to a role player of sorts, never really a key piece in offensive schemes and more of a defensive specialist. Is 1000 career points even possible? No doubt he will still come up big at some point this year but there is no debate that there is no scoring consistency whatsoever. I know some will not like anything posted that can be deemed negative when everything is going so well, I just think the team is better when KG is more involved.

[XMuskieFTW]

He's a mystery wrapped in an enigma! Has yet to crack 500 points as he approaches his 100th game. Basically he has been reduced to a role player of sorts, never really a key piece in offensive schemes and more of a defensive specialist. Is 1000 career points even possible? No doubt he will still come up big at some point this year but there is no debate that there is no scoring consistency whatsoever. I know some will not like anything posted that can be deemed negative when everything is going so well, I just think the team is better when KG is more involved.

Ehh just a shooting slump. 3-20 from 3 the last 5 games. He'll be fine. Just keep shooting.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

What is crazy is that Naji has been a bit better of a defender lately.


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[94GRAD]

He's a mystery wrapped in an enigma! Has yet to crack 500 points as he approaches his 100th game. Basically he has been reduced to a role player of sorts, never really a key piece in offensive schemes and more of a defensive specialist. Is 1000 career points even possible? No doubt he will still come up big at some point this year but there is no debate that there is no scoring consistency whatsoever. I know some will not like anything posted that can be deemed negative when everything is going so well, I just think the team is better when KG is more involved.

Look at all the scores on the team/teams in front of him his first 3 years!!! His roll on the team is to be a secondary scorer and a plus defensive player. It's not rocket science as to why his career point total is where it is.

[muskiefan82]

I call him a dangerous weapon if you decide to focus on the other players. I've spent so many years thinking "wow, this team has so many weapons, how will the other team try to guard them?" and then the games start and you realize that the team really only has 2 maybe 3 viable offensive weapons. For the first time in a long time, EVERY one of the 9 consistent rotational players can get double digits. EVERY. ONE. And 3-4 of them are legit 20 point threats depending on the defense and the way the game is flowing. They also ALL rebound and pass well. This team is SPECIAL.

[webxu]

Once Kaiser consistently puts the ball on the deck and attacks the hoop, his 3 shot will open up immensely. He will also draw fouls where he is an excellent shooter as well. He is fully capable of doing this, but does take a backseat on the team we have now. I think next year you will see him avg 15ppg. Hopefully he channels March Kasier for us again!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Once Kaiser consistently puts the ball on the deck and attacks the hoop, his 3 shot will open up immensely. He will also draw fouls where he is an excellent shooter as well. He is fully capable of doing this, but does take a backseat on the team we have now. I think next year you will see him avg 15ppg. Hopefully he channels March Kasier for us again!

I'd be shocked if he averages 15 ppg next year. And that is nothing against Kaiser that speaks more to how difficult that is to do. Think about how good of a career JP has had and at his best year (last year) he was still almost a full point away from 15 ppg.

In the last 10 years we have only had 6 different players average at least 15 ppg. And they are the best of the best our program has seen in the last decade.

Tre
Tu
Lyons
Semaj
Crawford
Sumner

[bleedXblue]

I'd be shocked if he averages 15 ppg next year. And that is nothing against Kaiser that speaks more to how difficult that is to do. Think about how good of a career JP has had and at his best year (last year) he was still almost a full point away from 15 ppg.

In the last 10 years we have only had 6 different players average at least 15 ppg. And they are the best of the best our program has seen in the last decade.

Tre
Tu
Lyons
Semaj
Crawford
Sumner

Now I can agree with you on this....15 PPG...LOL

[SemajParlor]

For the first time in a long time, EVERY one of the 9 consistent rotational players can get double digits. EVERY. ONE. And 3-4 of them are legit 20 point threats depending on the defense and the way the game is flowing. They also ALL rebound and pass well. This team is SPECIAL.

Agreed here. O'Mara is near automatic on the block. Goodin has become a legit scoring option now too. JP is in a massive shooting slump. He will get out of it. This team can score.

[SkyWalker]

Everytime I read this thread I wonder if the real Kaiser Gates is already standing. Not to be negative but if he could just become a more coinsistent scorer and average say 8-12 points a game from here on out, I think he puts X over the top and a real final four contender. His defense and rebounding are much improved.

[xu koop scoop]

I hope Naji continues to start ahead of Gates. Either one makes a good "sixth man", but Naji is coming into his own & Kaiser has had some good games 1st off the bench & he seems to embrace that role very well.

[letskeepitreal]

With his defense and rebounding, if we get 2 3's and 2 2's out of Kaiser that is a big help. This team is really balanced.

[GIMMFD]

With his defense and rebounding, if we get 2 3's and 2 2's out of Kaiser that is a big help. This team is really balanced.

Eh we honestly don't even need that at times if Naji is going to consistently get 8-10, even 6-8 points from Kaiser is MASSIVE, considering our bigs and Trevon do a lot of heavy lifting, and Q is coming into his own. So many weapons that it's no longer a requirement for guys to score, but just go out there and play in the flow of the game.

[whopper]

I noticed as far back as 2 years ago he played 17 min against villanova in the big win, and had 5 its, 7 reb and 2 assists. He has always been Mr Intangible and was huge against G town 2 weeks ago with 10 rebounds (although poor shooting). At this time of year you have to play through a slump and Tre and JP have done it recently. Here's hoping he does too as I would have liked to see him take a turn on bridges or devincenzo yesterday but only played 8 min with 2 turnovers to show(one especially bad)

[xu82]

I fully believe in Kaiser. They ALL have ups and downs. I pray they are all in UP mode come March. THAT is when we peak!

[Backyard Champ]

Gates is key to our tournament success, when he is on, we become that much more difficult to stop.

I dont think he got another concussion on that horrible offensive foul called against him in the first half, but he certainly looked woozy. Slow to get up and slow to get to the bench. Thought that took him out of the game.

There were fans gasping when he shot some 3's. I think that's ridiculous. He's in a huge slump, but he can be deathly from deep. I want him shooting every chance he gets.