Will the real Kaiser Gates please stand up

[bleedXblue]

Add Tyrique Jones as well. Need him and his energy back !!!!

[TUclutch]

Gates is key to our tournament success, when he is on, we become that much more difficult to stop.


There were fans gasping when he shot some 3's. I think that's ridiculous. He's in a huge slump, but he can be deathly from deep. I want him shooting every chance he gets.

This. Gates needs to shoot the ball every single time he is wide open and in the flow of the offense/has his feet set. The only way you get out of a slump is to keep shooting. And no, shooting in practice is not what it takes. He has to keep shooting in games. Just like anyone who would scream no when Goodin was shooting poorly was an idiot as well. Law of averages will even out. Goodin was never a 5% 3pt shooter. He was in a bad slump lacking confidence. Finally hit a couple and has turned the ship around. Gates can and will do the same, but he has to keep shooting to do so

[Xuperman]

There were fans gasping when he shot some 3's. I think that's ridiculous. He's in a huge slump, but he can be deathly from deep. I want him shooting every chance he gets.

That's the problem, he's not getting chances. Logged only EIGHT minutes Saturday! His lowest total since his FRESHMAN season. Actually his last 2 games were his lowest minutes played this year. Going in the wrong direction! This puts it in perspective.....Naj is now out scoring him on the year! And soon will pass him in minutes played. I worry that there may be a lack of confidence starting to fester with KG. Recently he seems to have just a fraction of a second hesitance pulling the trigger on his 3 ball.

[xuwin]

That's the problem, he's not getting chances. Logged only EIGHT minutes Saturday! His lowest total since his FRESHMAN season. Actually his last 2 games were his lowest minutes played this year. Going in the wrong direction! This puts it in perspective.....Naj is now out scoring him on the year! And soon will pass him in minutes played.

Kaiser is losing playing time not because of something he did wrong but because of all the things Naji contributes to the team. Naji may be getting close to the point that he is the best all around player on the team and deserves all the playing time that he can get.

[bleedXblue]

If Kaiser would simply defend and me a monster rebounder he would be a huge asset to this team. He just doesn't have the high motor all of the time. Not sure what he needs other than a foot up the a**.

[Cheesehead]

If Kaiser would simply defend and me a monster rebounder he would be a huge asset to this team. He just doesn't have the high motor all of the time. Not sure what he needs other than a foot up the a**.

He's in a vicious circle right now. Confidence is shaken and hasn't made shots when he has the good looks. He looks afraid out there right now. When he got his three pointer blocked in his face, he hung his head instead realizing he had a really good shot at the rebound and Mack promptly took him out.

We will need the full rotation to contribute if this team wants to make a run in March.

[drudy23]

Gates is key to our tournament success, when he is on, we become that much more difficult to stop.

I dont think he got another concussion on that horrible offensive foul called against him in the first half, but he certainly looked woozy. Slow to get up and slow to get to the bench. Thought that took him out of the game.

There were fans gasping when he shot some 3's. I think that's ridiculous. He's in a huge slump, but he can be deathly from deep. I want him shooting every chance he gets.

This again...honestly, I see this as the key to us making the Final Four. If he can get back what he had in the first month of the season, we are close to just as good as Villanova in offensive efficiency (not quite all the way there). That will more than make up for any deficiencies we have on defense.

Besides Tre, he's most important to a potential Final Four, and even NC, run. Not just because of his shooting ability, but how it opens up the game for others, and makes us so hard to guard at all positions.

[Snipe]

I miss Kaiser Gates. When he is on track he is the most exciting player on the team.

[stammina0721]

Gates is 6'9" and takes 82% of this shots from 3 pt range. That tells me he just camps out at the 3 pt line and waits. He needs to get his ass inside and bang the boards. He doesn't need to play inside fully but at 6'9" when 82% of your shots come from beyond the arc I think we can all agree that is a problem. That's why his minutes are going down. He cam be deadly if he plays inside out at all. However he refuses to play inside and using his God given tools

[Xavier]

Huh? You want Gates to pound it in the paint? We have three bigs who do that...Gates value is a stretch 4 that makes it tough to guard. He does need to grab more boards, find a way to be productive if shot isn't falling. But I don't want him camping out in the paint, that is ridiculous.

[xu82]

Gates is 6'9" and takes 82% of this shots from 3 pt range. That tells me he just camps out at the 3 pt line and waits. He needs to get his ass inside and bang the boards. He doesn't need to play inside fully but at 6'9" when 82% of your shots come from beyond the arc I think we can all agree that is a problem. That's why his minutes are going down. He cam be deadly if he plays inside out at all. However he refuses to play inside and using his God given tools

Thank you for that (I’m sure) reliable insight. I’m sure Mack tells him what to do, but Kaiser just flips him off from behind the arc.

I did enjoy when he attacked the rim earlier. He’s got the game to do it all. Losing his starting spot may have messed with his confidence, and so much of the game is between the ears. I just hope he gets his mojo back and helps us with our deep run in March!

[xu82]

Huh? You want Gates to pound it in the paint? We have three bigs who do that...Gates value is a stretch 4 that makes it tough to guard. He does need to grab more boards, find a way to be productive if shot isn't falling. But I don't want him camping out in the paint, that is ridiculous.

Amen!

[XUFan09]

Huh? You want Gates to pound it in the paint? We have three bigs who do that...Gates value is a stretch 4 that makes it tough to guard. He does need to grab more boards, find a way to be productive if shot isn't falling. But I don't want him camping out in the paint, that is ridiculous.But he said that he's sure we all agree! I'm confused.

But seriously, Gates' value on the offensive end centers around the three-point line. Even when he is just standing out at the three point line, he is stretching the defense, and he never stays in one place for more than a 5-10 seconds anyway. When he is making cuts to get open for threes, he is a deadly shooter on the season, just in a slump right now. Hanging out on the perimeter also give him a good position from which to crash the offensive glass, because defenders often neglect to box out perimeter players (I do like when he is more aggressive on this front). I love when he adds the dimension of cuts to the basket from defenders overplaying the perimeter and straight-line drives when defenders close out too aggressively. But, that's the extent of his game. It would be bad practice to have him post up defenders or to try to break his man down off the dribble, because he simply isn't that good at either. He can be really good at the other stuff.

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[stammina0721]

Sure cause what he is doing is so effective. The three bigs are not on the floor at the same time. Are you really suggesting that it wouldn't benefit Gates to post up every now and then? Are you really suggesting that 6'9" going from 4.8 boards a game to 6 or 7 would not greatly benefit this team?

I'm not saying get in the post non stop. I'm saying take more than 18% of your shots inside the arc.

Why does JP Macura, Q, Blueitt and pretty much everyone have more points inside than Gates? It is selfish of him to just stay on the 3 pt line. At his size and great shot he could easily be a college level Dirk Nowitzki. But Dirk played inside a bit and worked his way outside. Gates needs to go in every now and then to take his game to the next level

You asked if Gates is giving Mack the middle finger and not going inside. Maybe that is the case. His minutes are way down. Sounds like that very well could be happening. You don't know and neither do I but his drop in minutes indicates something may be up

[paulxu]

OK...just go ahead and nail me up there.

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[stammina0721]

That's the problem, he's not getting chances. Logged only EIGHT minutes Saturday! His lowest total since his FRESHMAN season. Actually his last 2 games were his lowest minutes played this year. Going in the wrong direction! This puts it in perspective.....Naj is now out scoring him on the year! And soon will pass him in minutes played. I worry that there may be a lack of confidence starting to fester with KG. Recently he seems to have just a fraction of a second hesitance pulling the trigger on his 3 ball.

One last point ill make on my view. If your three aint falling then going inside is a great way to fix it. Sometimes a shooter just needs to see a few shots drop. Going inside and getting a bunny or two may just be what the doctor ordered to get his shot back on track.

[XUFan09]

Sure cause what he is doing is so effective. The three bigs are not on the floor at the same time. Are you really suggesting that it wouldn't benefit Gates to post up every now and then? Are you really suggesting that 6'9" going from 4.8 boards a game to 6 or 7 would not greatly benefit this team?

I'm not saying get in the post non stop. I'm saying take more than 18% of your shots inside the arc.

Why does JP Macura, Q, Blueitt and pretty much everyone have more points inside than Gates? It is selfish of him to just stay on the 3 pt line. At his size and great shot he could easily be a college level Dirk Nowitzki. But Dirk played inside a bit and worked his way outside. Gates needs to go in every now and then to take his game to the next level

You asked if Gates is giving Mack the middle finger and not going inside. Maybe that is the case. His minutes are way down. Sounds like that very well could be happening. You don't know and neither do I but his drop in minutes indicates something may be up

Yes, I am really suggesting that Gates posting up with any regularity would be really dumb basketball, because it would be really bad use of his strengths. Essentially, it would be telling him to do something for which he is poorly equipped.

Also, here is the major reason that all the guys you mention have a greater proportion of attempts inside the perimeter: They are dynamic players that can handle the ball well. Gates, simply, is not. He's good enough for straight-line drives off bad closeouts, but he is not a great ball-handler. Bluiett and Macura can both do much more off the bounce than him because of their ability to handle the ball. Asking him to post up would be a highly inefficient scoring strategy and asking him to break opponents down off the bounce would stagnate the offense at best and lead to turnovers at worst.

Also, the mention of Goodin as someone who scores more inside the arc? Of course he does! You're either clueless about where his strengths are too (hint: dribble-drive) or you are just trying to name as many people as you can to contrast with Gates.

Finally, it's pretty weak to suggest that Gates recent loss in minutes might be due to Mack thinking his lack of interior play is "selfish" when that has been Gates' playstyle his entire career. So, suddenly Mack is unhappy with it after allowing it all this time? Foolish. Between that and the Goodin mention, there are only two reasonable possibilities to describe you:

1) You are one of those guys who is regularly clueless, leading you to seemingly think anything and everything supports your argument, or
2) You are knowingly disingenuous in weak attempts to win arguments.

Maybe it's a combination of the two. No matter what, it's not a good look for you.

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[xu82]

I’m generally a pacifist, but I get all the red dots.

[XUBison]

Yes, I am really suggesting that Gates posting up with any regularity would be really dumb basketball, because it would be really bad use of his strengths. Essentially, it would be telling him to do something for which he is poorly equipped.

Also, here is the major reason that all the guys you mention have a greater proportion of attempts inside the perimeter: They are dynamic players that can handle the ball well. Gates, simply, is not. He's good enough for straight-line drives off bad closeouts, but he is not a great ball-handler. Bluiett and Macura can both do much more off the bounce than him because of their ability to handle the ball. Asking him to post up would be a highly inefficient scoring strategy and asking him to break opponents down off the bounce would stagnate the offense at best and lead to turnovers at worst.

Also, the mention of Goodin as someone who scores more inside the arc? Of course he does! You're either clueless about where his strengths are too (hint: dribble-drive) or you are just trying to name as many people as you can to contrast with Gates.

Finally, it's pretty weak to suggest that Gates recent loss in minutes might be due to Mack thinking his lack of interior play is "selfish" when that has been Gates' playstyle his entire career. So, suddenly Mack is unhappy with it after allowing it all this time? Foolish. Between that and the Goodin mention, there are only two reasonable possibilities to describe you:

1) You are one of those guys who is regularly clueless, leading you to seemingly think anything and everything supports your argument, or
2) You are knowingly disingenuous in weak attempts to win arguments.

Maybe it's a combination of the two. No matter what, it's not a good look for you.

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So... Kaiser sucks almost as much as Stamina? Got it.

[xu82]

Kaiser is an awesome young man looking to find his stroke and maybe some confidence. Any comments beyond that are misguided and out of bounds. Peak in March!

[xu82]

So... Kaiser sucks almost as much as Stamina? Got it.

I won’t speak for ‘09, but what the hell does that even mean? Kaiser has my full support! Period.

[GenerationX]

Kaiser is an awesome young man looking to find his stroke and maybe some confidence. Any comments beyond that are misguided and out of bounds. Peak in March!

This!

[XUBison]

I won’t speak for ‘09, but what the hell does that even mean? Kaiser has my full support! Period.

Good for you. And it means some of you need to take a chill pill. I’ll never understand why those of you who are so easily offended come on to fan message boards. Is it simply because you need a platform to affirm each other as loudly as possible?

[xu koop scoop]

Naji seems as good as Gates on D at this point of the season. Naji is more explosive offensively. Gates has become more of a role player - meaning less minutes. It is a long season & the chips could turn again. Players go thru ups & downs in their mental games. We may, or may not, see more of Kaiser down the stretch.

[XUFan09]

Good for you. And it means some of you need to take a chill pill. I’ll never understand why those of you who are so easily offended come on to fan message boards. Is it simply because you need a platform to affirm each other as loudly as possible?If want to act high and mighty, maybe start with making posts that make sense.

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[Caf]

It seems like we have this discussion about some shooter every year. Dante, Redford, JMart etc.

Last year I said Kaiser should have tried to develop an inside game. Partly because a 2-dimensional game is usually better than one, but primarily because our depth in the post was not what it is this year. I would still contend that he could have been effective inside, but its a moot point now. We don't need a maybe-effective post player taking touches or minutes from Jones, O'Mara or Kanter.

[stammina0721]

It seems like we have this discussion about some shooter every year. Dante, Redford, JMart etc.

Last year I said Kaiser should have tried to develop an inside game. Partly because a 2-dimensional game is usually better than one, but primarily because our depth in the post was not what it is this year. I would still contend that he could have been effective inside, but its a moot point now. We don't need a maybe-effective post player taking touches or minutes from Jones, O'Mara or Kanter.

According to some on here... most of which have probably never scored a point in anything in their life... just having one aspect to your game is better than 2. Makes sense right??? Lol

Now back on point. XUFAN09 do me a favor. Find me even one other player who is 6'8" or taller who takes 82% of their shots from behind the arc. Just one. You find that player post his stats and I will stand corrected, drop the subject, publicly say your right and self ban myself the rest of this season.

If you find that player I will be surprised. If that player even exists then it wont be more than 1. Do you know why those players with that height dont have a shot distribution that bad?

It's because no player is selfish enough to not develop any semblance of a post game at that height. He either has zero post game or refuses to do it. If your 6'9" you have some ability to play inside... or at least some desire to do so. He is a rare player. Superior height but allergic to the hardwood inside the arc. He does not need to make his bread and butter inside but it should at least be a threat every now and then. I dont know why that offends you so bad, but CAF is right... having 2 aspects to your game is better than 1. Kaiser needs something to go to if the three isnt falling. If you don't get that then your hopeless.

[markchal]

Now back on point. XUFAN09 do me a favor. Find me even one other player who is 6'8" or taller who takes 82% of their shots from behind the arc. Just one. You find that player post his stats and I will stand corrected, drop the subject, publicly say your right and self ban myself the rest of this season.

Please find that player.

[AviatorX]

According to some on here... most of which have probably never scored a point in anything in their life... just having one aspect to your game is better than 2. Makes sense right??? Lol

Now back on point. XUFAN09 do me a favor. Find me even one other player who is 6'8" or taller who takes 82% of their shots from behind the arc. Just one. You find that player post his stats and I will stand corrected, drop the subject, publicly say your right and self ban myself the rest of this season.

If you find that player I will be surprised. If that player even exists then it wont be more than 1. Do you know why those players with that height dont have a shot distribution that bad?

It's because no player is selfish enough to not develop any semblance of a post game at that height. He either has zero post game or refuses to do it. If your 6'9" you have some ability to play inside... or at least some desire to do so. He is a rare player. Superior height but allergic to the hardwood inside the arc. He does not need to make his bread and butter inside but it should at least be a threat every now and then. I dont know why that offends you so bad, but CAF is right... having 2 aspects to your game is better than 1. Kaiser needs something to go to if the three isnt falling. If you don't get that then your hopeless.

Ethan Wragge comes to mind. See you next season.

[94GRAD]

Hey stammina0721(aka nasdadjr who is banned), You realize that Kaiser is playing the EXACT role that Chris and the coaching staff want him to play!!!

[XUBison]

Hey stammina0721(aka nasdadjr who is banned), You realize that Kaiser is playing the EXACT role that Chris and the coaching staff want him to play!!!


Benchwarmer?

[XUFan09]

Hey stammina0721(aka nasdadjr who is banned), You realize that Kaiser is playing the EXACT role that Chris and the coaching staff want him to play!!!Yep. Like I said before, Gates' playstyle hasn't changed in his entire career, yet he keeps getting minutes. Why? Because Mack wants him to do what he's been doing. Shoot threes, attack bad closeouts, crash the offensive glass when not called upon to get back on defense. That's Gates' game. It's a strong skillset when he's playing well and actually his height helps him to easily shoot over guys. You combine that with good defense and you have a plus role player. But, right now he's a plus role player who's slumping, and he too easily allows poor shooting to affect other parts of his game.

Some people like stamina just can't get a clue. There's so blindly sure that they see things correctly that they miss obvious things that contradict their viewpoint.

And then we have him employing the strawman fallacy on my position. Apparently I think having one aspect to your game is better than two. That would be such an easy position to attack, if it weren't for the fact that I don't believe that at all.
Some people might find this crazy, but I don't really think a player should force the issue when he isn't good at an aspect of basketball, especially when what he is good at helps the team.

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[XUFan09]

Benchwarmer?Or 4th on the team in minutes played. Even with recent depth charts skewed by just 8 minutes played in the last game, he still comes in with over half the minutes available at the 4 spot. Before this past game, he was averaging 25 minutes per game in the last five games and 21 minutes per game in the five games before that.

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[XUBison]

Yep. Like I said before, Gates' playstyle hasn't changed in his entire career, yet he keeps getting minutes. Why? Because Mack wants him to do what he's been doing. Shoot threes, attack bad closeouts, crash the offensive glass when not called upon to get back on defense. That's Gates' game. It's a strong skillset when he's playing well and actually his height helps him to easily shoot over guys. You combine that with good defense and you have a plus role player. But, right now he's a plus role player who's slumping, and he too easily allows poor shooting to affect other parts of his game...

...Some people might find this crazy, but I don't really think a player should force the issue when he isn't good at an aspect of basketball, especially when what he is good at helps the team.

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I mostly agree. Gates is maybe my favorite player. We seem to play at a dominant level when he plays well, and he is fun to watch when that’s happening. I don’t think it’s outlandish, though, to be a bit disappointed he can’t stay on the floor if he isn’t shooting well. I get that this is in part due to our depth, which is an awesome thing, but I thought he would have developed his game enough by now for that not to be a problem for him. I have to think, at least on some level, Mack thought so as well. I would love to see him break out down the stretch. We need his defense!

[XUBison]

Or 4th on the team in minutes played. Even with recent depth charts skewed by just 8 minutes played in the last game, he still comes in with over half the minutes available at the 4 spot. Before this past game, he was averaging 25 minutes per game in the last five games and 21 minutes per game in the five games before that.

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It was a joke. God, take a Rolaid or something.

[XUFan09]

I mostly agree. Gates is maybe my favorite player. We seem to play at a dominant level when he plays well, and he is fun to watch when that’s happening. I don’t think it’s outlandish, though, to be a bit disappointed he can’t stay on the floor if he isn’t shooting well. I get that this is in part due to our depth, which is an awesome thing, but I thought he would have developed his game enough by now for that not to be a problem for him. I have to think, at least on some level, Mack thought so as well. I would love to see him break out down the stretch. We need his defense!I agree with this. I love the games where Gates is still making an impact despite not finding his shot and wish this was a more consistent part of his game. This energy generally is there when he's making shots but too often disappears when he is not. I wish he had developed his game a bit more in the off-season, when he had the opportunity to work on weaknesses, and maybe Mack does too. At the very least, I know Mack wants to see that energy every night, as he has said as much in interviews.

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[XUFan09]

It was a joke. God, take a Rolaid or something.I hope you realize that some people say ridiculous things like this seriously and that tone isn't conveyed very well via message board posts. I considered that it might be a joke, but if so, a pretty weak quip.

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[stammina0721]

Yep. Like I said before, Gates' playstyle hasn't changed in his entire career, yet he keeps getting minutes. Why? Because Mack wants him to do what he's been doing. Shoot threes, attack bad closeouts, crash the offensive glass when not called upon to get back on defense. That's Gates' game. It's a strong skillset when he's playing well and actually his height helps him to easily shoot over guys. You combine that with good defense and you have a plus role player. But, right now he's a plus role player who's slumping, and he too easily allows poor shooting to affect other parts of his game.

Some people like stamina just can't get a clue. There's so blindly sure that they see things correctly that they miss obvious things that contradict their viewpoint.

And then we have him employing the strawman fallacy on my position. Apparently I think having one aspect to your game is better than two. That would be such an easy position to attack, if it weren't for the fact that I don't believe that at all.
Some people might find this crazy, but I don't really think a player should force the issue when he isn't good at an aspect of basketball, especially when what he is good at helps the team.

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Less than 10 per game the last two games? Looks like he is losing minutes at the most vital time of the year. That does not happen to players that coaches have confidence in. Gates getting reduced minutes now is a direct correlation to his lack of production. When he is lacking a 20 ft shot it makes sense to maybe find a way to shoot a few 2 or 3 ft shots to get confidence back.

His slump is too long to not change something. You talk about how his skill set helps the team. It definitely is not, otherwise Mack wouldnt be sitting a junior who was averaging over 20 minutes a game at the most crucial time of the year.

Look at it like this... If Blueitt was marred in a slump would he only get 8 minutes in a game? Would JP? Of course not. So why would Gates? It is my opinion that his very limited skill set is becoming a detriment to this team and Mack is realizing that. Until he is willing to change something about his game then he will continue to lose minutes.

That being said I hope Gates goes off for 25 pts tomorrow and has a hell of a game. I think we are going to need it to win. I'm always cheering for not just him but every player on this team. It's my opinion that he should expand his game and not pigeon hole himself into a certain style. But that is what message boards are for. To give opinions right or wrong.

[stammina0721]

Ethan Wragge comes to mind. See you next season.

You gotta go back to a guy who graduated 3 or 4 years ago... I think my point is proven

[xu82]

You gotta go back to a guy who graduated 3 or 4 years ago... I think my point is proven

So, you think you know more about basketball and Kaiser Gates than Chris Mack. Yes, your point is proven. Proven all too well.

[Nigel Tufnel]

X has gone 9-1 while Gates has been slumping. I’ll take it and be cheering like crazy when he hits big 3’s in the tourney.

[xu82]

X had gone 9-1 while Gates has been slumping. I’ll take it and be cheering like crazy when he hits big 3’s in the tourney.

PEAK IN MARCH!

That makes you a hero!

[Xavier]

You gotta go back to a guy who graduated 3 or 4 years ago... I think my point is proven

What? I thought you didn't think there was another player like that? Now that there is you say "see, I told you"? What was your point then?

[XUFan09]

Less than 10 per game the last two games? Looks like he is losing minutes at the most vital time of the year. That does not happen to players that coaches have confidence in. Gates getting reduced minutes now is a direct correlation to his lack of production. When he is lacking a 20 ft shot it makes sense to maybe find a way to shoot a few 2 or 3 ft shots to get confidence back.

His slump is too long to not change something. You talk about how his skill set helps the team. It definitely is not, otherwise Mack wouldnt be sitting a junior who was averaging over 20 minutes a game at the most crucial time of the year.

Look at it like this... If Blueitt was marred in a slump would he only get 8 minutes in a game? Would JP? Of course not. So why would Gates? It is my opinion that his very limited skill set is becoming a detriment to this team and Mack is realizing that. Until he is willing to change something about his game then he will continue to lose minutes.

That being said I hope Gates goes off for 25 pts tomorrow and has a hell of a game. I think we are going to need it to win. I'm always cheering for not just him but every player on this team. It's my opinion that he should expand his game and not pigeon hole himself into a certain style. But that is what message boards are for. To give opinions right or wrong.

Guys like Bluiett and Macura can more easily get a GOOD shot inside than Gates can, so it makes sense within the offense for them to do so. Gates is limited to drives off bad closeouts and cuts to the basket off opponents overplaying him on the perimeter. There are simply more two-point opportunities for them than for him.

Also, of course the two stars of the team wouldn't play only 8 minutes in a game if they were slumping. Gates, in contrast, is a role player, and one easily replaced by Marshall when he isn't playing well. That might be the most foolish argument you have made so far.

Finally, you are emphasizing the 8 minutes he played in the most recent game, when it is literally the first time this season he's played single-digit minutes. There are only three other times when he even played less than 20 minutes, and one of those times was the first game of the season, a blowout where even Bluiett and Macura only played 22 minutes a piece. That's a lot of craziness off one data point.

In the end, I'm all for players expanding their games...in the off-season.

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[stammina0721]

What? I thought you didn't think there was another player like that? Now that there is you say "see, I told you"? What was your point then?

Maybe a guy who is actually playing right now. I also said give me the stats. Don't have those yet

[stammina0721]

So, you think you know more about basketball and Kaiser Gates than Chris Mack. Yes, your point is proven. Proven all too well.

I never said that. This is an opinion forum. I'm not trying to prove a point to a jury. I will give my opinion whether you like it or not just like you will give yours whether I like it or not. Last I checked that was allowed here. In my opinion Gates needs a greater presence inside to expand his game. If you disagree that is fine by me

[xu82]

I never said that. This is an opinion forum. I'm not trying to prove a point to a jury. I will give my opinion whether you like it or not just like you will give yours whether I like it or not. Last I checked that was allowed here. In my opinion Gates needs a greater presence inside to expand his game. If you disagree that is fine by me

Troll on.... You say Kaiser would be better used in a way that Mack chooses not to use him. Hence, you’re saying you know better than Mack. I’ll trust our coach. And common sense. But feel freee to continue to carry on with your red dot collecting.

I’ll agree with ‘09 that attacking the rim is a nice option on bad closeouts. But posting up? With out three headed monster in the middle? We have post up guys, let them post up.

[stammina0721]

Guys like Bluiett and Macura can more easily get a GOOD shot inside than Gates can, so it makes sense within the offense for them to do so. Gates is limited to drives off bad closeouts and cuts to the basket off opponents overplaying him on the perimeter. There are simply more two-point opportunities for them than for him.

Also, of course the two stars of the team wouldn't play only 8 minutes in a game if they were slumping. Gates, in contrast, is a role player, and one easily replaced by Marshall when he isn't playing well. That might be the most foolish argument you have made so far.

Finally, you are emphasizing the 8 minutes he played in the most recent game, when it is literally the first time this season he's played single-digit minutes. There are only three other times when he even played less than 20 minutes, and one of those times was the first game of the season, a blowout where even Bluiett and Macura only played 22 minutes a piece. That's a lot of craziness off one data point.

In the end, I'm all for players expanding their games...in the off-season.

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Guys like Bluiett and Macura can more easily get a GOOD shot inside than Gates can, so it makes sense within the offense for them to do so. Gates is limited to drives off bad closeouts and cuts to the basket off opponents overplaying him on the perimeter. There are simply more two-point opportunities for them than for him.

Also, of course the two stars of the team wouldn't play only 8 minutes in a game if they were slumping. Gates, in contrast, is a role player, and one easily replaced by Marshall when he isn't playing well. That might be the most foolish argument you have made so far.

Finally, you are emphasizing the 8 minutes he played in the most recent game, when it is literally the first time this season he's played single-digit minutes. There are only three other times when he even played less than 20 minutes, and one of those times was the first game of the season, a blowout where even Bluiett and Macura only played 22 minutes a piece. That's a lot of craziness off one data point.

In the end, I'm all for players expanding their games...in the off-season.

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Well would you agree or at least consider a few things then?

1. Since Gates shoots 82% of his shots from 3 right now wouldnt he get more close outs allowing him to drive a little more with a pump fake? That wont work vs a zone but should work nice vs man to man which a lot a Big East teams run. If he did that even once a game wouldnt that back guys off just enough for him to get a little more space to shoot?

2. Gates is a 6'9" player with an amazing shot when on. If he went inside just a little bit wouldnt that make him one of the most dominate players in the NCAA? This would make him an indespensible starter who could demand minutes and go beyond a role player. I personally feel Gates shot can be NBA good if he would just expand his role to work inside a bit.

3. Your last point is very valid. You don't change things at this point in the year. However, there was a lot of buzz about this issue last year. Why did he not consider this in the past off-season? Like i said, I think at his height and shot he could be NBA good. But for that to happen he needs to expand his game even if it just a drive or two a game right now.

4. We all know at this time of year team benches get much shorter. 9 man benches become 8 or 7 players real quick in crunch time. He has a valuable skill set. Why would he not want to do something to make sure he isn't on the cutting block when the games truly matter?

[stammina0721]

Troll on.... You say Kaiser would be better used in a way that Mack chooses not to use him. Hence, you’re saying you know better than Mack. I’ll trust our coach. And common sense. But feel freee to continue to carry on with your red dot collecting.

I’ll agree with ‘09 that attacking the rim is a nice option on bad closeouts. But posting up? With out three headed monster in the middle? We have post up guys, let them post up.

You don't know that. But Mack has forgotten more about basketball than you or I will ever know. That is unquestionable.
Like i said it is an opinion forum. In my opinion Gates is seeing fewer minutes cause he probably is not doing exactly what Mack says. I can't come up with any other reason why a 6'9" junior sharpshooter is losing minutes to freshman who really is not a 4 at the most crucial time of year. It is my opinion. If yours differs that is fine but stating my opinion is not trolling.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well would you agree or at least consider a few things then?

1. Since Gates shoots 82% of his shots from 3 right now wouldnt he get more close outs allowing him to drive a little more with a pump fake? That wont work vs a zone but should work nice vs man to man which a lot a Big East teams run. If he did that even once a game wouldnt that back guys off just enough for him to get a little more space to shoot?

2. Gates is a 6'9" player with an amazing shot when on. If he went inside just a little bit wouldnt that make him one of the most dominate players in the NCAA? This would make him an indespensible starter who could demand minutes and go beyond a role player. I personally feel Gates shot can be NBA good if he would just expand his role to work inside a bit.

3. Your last point is very valid. You don't change things at this point in the year. However, there was a lot of buzz about this issue last year. Why did he not consider this in the past off-season? Like i said, I think at his height and shot he could be NBA good. But for that to happen he needs to expand his game even if it just a drive or two a game right now.

4. We all know at this time of year team benches get much shorter. 9 man benches become 8 or 7 players real quick in crunch time. He has a valuable skill set. Why would he not want to do something to make sure he isn't on the cutting block when the games truly matter?

Would you agree that X has gone 9-1 in their last 10? I'm not saying I necessarily disagree that I'd like to see more dimensions in Kaiser's game...but he's not the reason they lost their 1 game out of 10 in the Big East. He's gonna start hitting...and it's gonna be a thing of beauty. Plus...losing minutes to the best freshman ever at X (with possible exception of DMFW) isn't something horrible. I could make a valid argument that Naji is the best freshman to ever play at X. If he stays on his current trajectory, Naji is a pro. No shame in losing minutes to him.

[XUFan09]

Well would you agree or at least consider a few things then?

1. Since Gates shoots 82% of his shots from 3 right now wouldnt he get more close outs allowing him to drive a little more with a pump fake? That wont work vs a zone but should work nice vs man to man which a lot a Big East teams run. If he did that even once a game wouldnt that back guys off just enough for him to get a little more space to shoot?

2. Gates is a 6'9" player with an amazing shot when on. If he went inside just a little bit wouldnt that make him one of the most dominate players in the NCAA? This would make him an indespensible starter who could demand minutes and go beyond a role player. I personally feel Gates shot can be NBA good if he would just expand his role to work inside a bit.

3. Your last point is very valid. You don't change things at this point in the year. However, there was a lot of buzz about this issue last year. Why did he not consider this in the past off-season? Like i said, I think at his height and shot he could be NBA good. But for that to happen he needs to expand his game even if it just a drive or two a game right now.

4. We all know at this time of year team benches get much shorter. 9 man benches become 8 or 7 players real quick in crunch time. He has a valuable skill set. Why would he not want to do something to make sure he isn't on the cutting block when the games truly matter?

Some more pump fakes wouldn't hurt, but I think Gates already gets a decent number of bad closeouts that he doesn't take advantage of. More than anything, I think he needs to be more aggressive in the areas he's strong in, which includes straight-line drives after a defender sells out on the perimeter. That is part of the energy I want to see him bring on a more consistent basis.

Concerning him taking inside more, I really wish this was a strength of Gates. Not necessarily post-ups, which are inefficient for most players (not for guys like O'Mara and Kanter, of course), but dribble-drive action, as it dovetails nicely with perimeter shooting. However, he hasn't developed enough in this area, so he's more limited than we all would like. I bet be did work on this in off-season. Hell, I've seen him working on ball-handling drills since his freshman year. But, that leap in improvement doesn't always happen (though he did improve in other ways). He looks the part of a more dominant player, but asking him to be that is just going to end in disappointment.

I am not worried about Gates being on the cutting block and find it highly disingenuous to suggest that he's not doing anything to make sure that doesn't happen.

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[xu82]

Would you agree that X has gone 9-1 in their last 10? I'm not saying I necessarily disagree that I'd like to see more dimensions in Kaiser's game...but he's not the reason they lost their 1 game out of 10 in the Big East. He's gonna start hitting...and it's gonna be a thing of beauty. Plus...losing minutes to the best freshman ever at X (with possible exception of DMFW) isn't something horrible. I could make a valid argument that Naji is the best freshman to ever play at X. If he stays on his current trajectory, Naji is a pro. No shame in losing minutes to him.

I must say Naji has been a very pleasant surprise. He’ll learn to value the ball a bit more, but he makes plays! Kaiser needs a bit of confidence, and now is the time to put that all together. I pray they step up in the Dance and get to uncharted territory!

[stammina0721]

I really should adjust my statement of posting up more. I really meant just taking it inside more. No necessarily on a true post up but a few more drives and a pick and roll or two. Of course maybe a post up or two wouldnt hurt but I really should adjust my statement to that to eliminate confusion.

I'd like him to take it inside more however that happens. Only good things can come from it.

To your first point... yes... I'm not saying X cant win with Gates playing poorly. However, I do believe X will need Gates to play well to make a final four this year. If that is the goal I think Gates going inside a little more will make that goal a reality. To me he is that important but others may disagree.

[xu82]

Some more pump fakes wouldn't hurt, but I think Gates already gets a decent number of bad closeouts that he doesn't take advantage of. More than anything, I think he needs to be more aggressive in the areas he's strong in, which includes straight-line drives after a defender sells out on the perimeter. That is part of the energy I want to see him bring on a more consistent basis.

Concerning him taking inside more, I really wish this was a strength of Gates. Not necessarily post-ups, which are inefficient for most players (not for guys like O'Mara and Kanter, of course), but dribble-drive action, as it dovetails nicely with perimeter shooting. However, he hasn't developed enough in this area, so he's more limited than we all would like. I bet be did work on this in off-season. Hell, I've seen him working on ball-handling drills since his freshman year. But, that leap in improvement doesn't always happen (though he did improve in other ways). He looks the part of a more dominant player, but asking him to be that is just going to end in disappointment.

I am not worried about Gates being on the cutting block and find it highly disingenuous to suggest that he's not doing anything to make sure that doesn't happen.

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Was it last offseason, or the one before that he lost due to the knee injury. I think that was a year ago, but it was still time missed where he couldn’t see the same development.

[xu82]

I really should adjust my statement of posting up more. I really meant just taking it inside more. No necessarily on a true post up but a few more drives and a pick and roll or two. Of course maybe a post up or two wouldnt hurt but I really should adjust my statement to that to eliminate confusion.

I'd like him to take it inside more however that happens. Only good things can come from it.

Correct, he’s not a “post up” guy. Slash to the rim at times? More of that might be nice, whether he dish or shoot.

[XUBison]

It will be interesting to watch him next year. IMHO, we will go as he goes.

[xu82]

It will be interesting to watch him next year. IMHO, we will go as he goes.

He will certainly be a bigger factor without Trevon or JP. Interesting, indeed.

[xuwin]

Less than 10 per game the last two games? Looks like he is losing minutes at the most vital time of the year. That does not happen to players that coaches have confidence in. Gates getting reduced minutes now is a direct correlation to his lack of production. When he is lacking a 20 ft shot it makes sense to maybe find a way to shoot a few 2 or 3 ft shots to get confidence back.

His slump is too long to not change something. You talk about how his skill set helps the team. It definitely is not, otherwise Mack wouldnt be sitting a junior who was averaging over 20 minutes a game at the most crucial time of the year.

Look at it like this... If Blueitt was marred in a slump would he only get 8 minutes in a game? Would JP? Of course not. So why would Gates? It is my opinion that his very limited skill set is becoming a detriment to this team and Mack is realizing that. Until he is willing to change something about his game then he will continue to lose minutes.

That being said I hope Gates goes off for 25 pts tomorrow and has a hell of a game. I think we are going to need it to win. I'm always cheering for not just him but every player on this team. It's my opinion that he should expand his game and not pigeon hole himself into a certain style. But that is what message boards are for. To give opinions right or wrong.

I don't think Gates is losing minutes because of Mack's loss of confidence in him. I think it is because Naji is rapidly developing into a star and maybe Xavier's best all around player. He has earned more playing time.

[stammina0721]

I don't think Gates is losing minutes because of Mack's loss of confidence in him. I think it is because Naji is rapidly developing into a star and maybe Xavier's best all around player. He has earned more playing time.

That is a very real possibility. I think Naji is more of a three, but Naji obviously isn't taking any time from Trevon.

[Xuperman]

Enough already! There is another thread with over 250 posts that has already covered the Gates situation. The guy has a reduced role as of late for what ever reason. We all should be hoping that reduced role doesn't have too much of an effect between the ears because there will be multiple situations where he will need to embrace his role and start producing some numbers again.

[atljar]

Now back on point. XUFAN09 do me a favor. Find me even one other player who is 6'8" or taller who takes 82% of their shots from behind the arc. Just one. You find that player post his stats and I will stand corrected, drop the subject, publicly say your right and self ban myself the rest of this season.

If you find that player I will be surprised. If that player even exists then it wont be more than 1. Do you know why those players with that height dont have a shot distribution that bad?

It's because no player is selfish enough to not develop any semblance of a post game at that height. He either has zero post game or refuses to do it. If your 6'9" you have some ability to play inside... or at least some desire to do so. He is a rare player. Superior height but allergic to the hardwood inside the arc. He does not need to make his bread and butter inside but it should at least be a threat every now and then. I dont know why that offends you so bad, but CAF is right... having 2 aspects to your game is better than 1. Kaiser needs something to go to if the three isnt falling. If you don't get that then your hopeless.

For what its worth, there are a few 6'8 guys with higher 3pt shot % attempts, but no one 6'9 or taller in D1 this year.

Last year, Nick Duncan, Jack Purchase, Nick Smith

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2017&category=ADVANCED&group=2&sort=9&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

[Snipe]

Keep gunning Kaiser! It is going to be glorious!!

[XUFan09]

For what its worth, there are a few 6'8 guys with higher 3pt shot % attempts, but no one 6'9 or taller in D1 this year.

Last year, Nick Duncan, Jack Purchase, Nick Smith

https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/stats?season=2017&category=ADVANCED&group=2&sort=9&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0I didn't really address this before, because it was minor, but I don't know where the idea that Gates is 6'9" came from. Even Xavier doesn't list him as 6'9", and they are well-known for inflating players' heights from time to time. He's 6'8" at best and his true height could even be 6'7" if that's inflated.

It reminds me of when announcers are talking about Bluiett and he somehow gets taller and taller as they talk.

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[markchal]

remember when Tre was in a shooting slump and some of us thought he might need season-ending surgery until he'd ever be shooting well again? Those were fun times.

Kaiser will find his shot. I agree he needs to add more to his repertoire for next year, but if he gets back to scoring like he was earlier, he will be a very important key to a long run.

Also, Naji is playing well, but I don't think I'd go as far as to call him our best all-around player.

[Lloyd Braun]

IMO Gates is a 3 that should crash the boards. I think he is forced to play a bit out of position due to the depth at guard and lack of depth at the 4. Where do you find minutes at the 3 with Q (6’4”) Tre (6’5”), JP (6’5”), Naji (6’7”) all on the floor for most of the game.
You can tell whether he’s engaged or not by watching him on the offensive glass. My only concern with him crashing the glass is that he’s had a lot of blows to the head. One lineup that doesn’t get any run is Q, Tre, Naji, Kaiser, OMara. I would love to see him setting more ball screens.
Kaiser will bust out of the slump soon and I could see him winning us a game in the tournament.

[jhelmes37]

Kaiser made the front page of Yahoo today. (https://www.yahoo.com/)

[Lloyd Braun]

Kaiser made the front page of Yahoo today. (https://www.yahoo.com/)

Looks like he doesn’t like going in the paint after all...

[bobbiemcgee]

Shannon Russell
‏

.@Kaisergates is wearing the gold jersey at practice this week.


We need 'ya, man

[GIMMFD]

Shannon Russell
‏

.@Kaisergates is wearing the gold jersey at practice this week.


We need 'ya, man

Hope he has a huge game tomorrow and breaks out of his shooting slump, he was close last time out, when he hits his shot, this team gets even better considering his presence rebounding and playing defense. I have faith in Kaiser, he will be fine come tourney time, just looking for him to build up some confidence next two regular season games before it gets to the survive and advance mode.

[Xuperman]

Well hello Mr. March! Nice to see you made it to the party! Compliments on your GRAND ENTRANCE.....nearly flawless! :popcorn:

[Cheesehead]

Welcome back, Kaiser! You can provide this team a huge lift with a solid March.

[GIMMFD]

Interesting tid bit

https://twitter.com/BannersParkway/status/971958365990551552

[MHettel]

One of these 2 players is Kaiser Gates this year. The other was a different former XU player as a senior in the “recent” era.

Min, ppg, rpg, apg, bpg, spg, fpg, TOpg, fg%
24.1, 7.6, 4.6, 0.9, 0.4, 0.3, 2.4, 0.6, 42.4%
24.2, 6.8, 4.8, 0.4, 0.4, 0.6, 2.3, 1.2, 46.8%

Do you know which one is Kaiser? Do you know the other?

[X Factor]

I don't know, but neither are that impressive.

[mistabeecee41]

My initial guess (I cheated and googled his stats to confirm I was correct) was mr jeff robinson

[AviatorX]

Other than excluding stats that are usage based (for example, Kaiser's ORTG is extremely good) and 3PT shooting (Kaiser's biggest strength), this is a good comparison. Jeez.

[GIMMFD]

I'm not sure what the point here is for this.. not being an asshole or anything, just curious.

[X Factor]

Jeff Robinson 2.0

Kaiser should be way better than Jeff Robinson...

[MHettel]

My initial guess (I cheated and googled his stats to confirm I was correct) was mr jeff robinson

Yeah. Kaiser gates is Jeff Robinson.

Not to be inflammatory, but I view Robinson as the “least good” player that played a significant role over the last 20 years. Keith Jackson gets some votes, as does Justin Martin.

Gates does very little for this team and sidesteps all criticism somehow.

Little emotion, and doesn’t seem to rise to the occasion. Hopefully he doesn’t intentionally foul an opponent in a tied game anytime soon.

Someone please wake up Kaiser before the tourney starts

[AviatorX]

Jeff Robinson 2.0

Kaiser should be way better than Jeff Robinson...

He is way better...

What do you think Kaiser's numbers would have looked like on the Jeff Robinson Senior year team. Comparing PPG between the two on a team with so many scorers is blindly stupid.

Kaiser's ORTG this year is 124 and he is shooting 39% from three on 139 attempts. Robinson's senior ORTG was 102 and he shot under 20% from deep. They aren't comparable players.

[MHettel]

He is way better...

What do you think Kaiser's numbers would have looked like on the Jeff Robinson Senior year team. Comparing PPG between the two on a team with so many scorers is blindly stupid.

Kaiser's ORTG this year is 124 and he is shooting 39% from three on 139 attempts. Robinson's senior ORTG was 102 and he shot under 20% from deep. They aren't comparable players.

Kaiser has scored 0 points in 3 of the last 6 games. And has score 2 or less in 5 of the last 8. One double digit scoring performance since January.

Go ahead and defend that. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say

[AviatorX]

Kaiser has scored 0 points in 3 of the last 6 games. And has score 2 or less in 5 of the last 8. One double digit scoring performance since January.

Go ahead and defend that. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say

I'm not trying to defend that. I'm saying your comparison is stupid. And it is for the reasons I highlighted above. Obviously Kaiser is a big X factor for this team and needs to step up.

Can you explain to me why you excluded 3P% for a 3 and D guy?

Not that surprising considering the source.

[xavierj]

Kaiser has scored 0 points in 3 of the last 6 games. And has score 2 or less in 5 of the last 8. One double digit scoring performance since January.

Go ahead and defend that. Can’t wait to hear what you have to say

Kaiser needs to play better and Xavier is better when he does. Relax.

[MHettel]

I'm not trying to defend that. I'm saying your comparison is stupid. And it is for the reasons I highlighted above. Obviously Kaiser is a big X factor for this team and needs to step up.

Can you explain to me why you excluded 3P% for a 3 and D guy?

Not that surprising considering the source.

You sound like a real jackoff.

I’m tired of gates getting a free pass all year long. Why does he? He’s not an underclassman. He’s a three year contributor that lost his starting job and has faded into obscurity.

Jp and tre take all the flak from tonight, but at least they freaking DID something. Jp should have dropped off that pass to Goodin, but at he was taking the ball to the rack trying to win the damn game.

Kaiser was invisible. And he’s been invisible more and more lately.

And I’m gonna say it. And I don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

That dude needs to show up.

[AviatorX]

You sound like a real jackoff.

I’m tired of gates getting a free pass all year long. Why does he? He’s not an underclassman. He’s a three year contributor that lost his starting job and has faded into obscurity.

Jp and tre take all the flak from tonight, but at least they freaking DID something. Jp should have dropped off that pass to Goodin, but at he was taking the ball to the rack trying to win the damn game.

Kaiser was invisible. And he’s been invisible more and more lately.

And I’m gonna say it. And I don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

That dude needs to show up.

You are arguing against yourself. Where did I say Gates gets a free pass? Where did I say he hasn't been disappointing the last several weeks?

Can you answer my one question, though? Why did you decide not to post the three point percentage splits? Surely even you must agree that Kaiser's primary value is as a 3 and D guy.

[MHettel]

You are arguing against yourself. Where did I say Gates gets a free pass? Where did I say he hasn't been disappointing the last several weeks?

Can you answer my one question, though? Why did you decide not to post the three point percentage splits? Surely even you must agree that Kaiser's primary value is as a 3 and D guy.

Ok. I’ll bite.

I didn’t post his 3 point% because it would clearly identify him vs Jeff Robinson who shot something like 11.9%. It would be pretty easy to know that’s not kaiser don’t you think? My original premise (I guess I gotta spell it out for you) is that kaiser is as unproductive and invisible as Robinson was.

Kaiser has taken 139 of 699 3 pt attempts for the team this year. That’s 20% of all the 3s. Not exactly jacking up a ton of shots. He averaging 4.3 attempts per game, and making 1.6. His 39% rate is good. Not great, but better than average. If he shot more, it might be little more noteworthy.

He taken 34 2 point attempts this year. He’s taken 48 free throws.

Kaiser gates is exclusively a 3 point shooter who can’t create his own shot, doesn’t take lot of 3’s, and shoots at a slightly above average rate.

Although considered a defensive player, he doesn’t log steals or blocks with any frequency

Is there an injury or something we don’t know about? Is he sulking cause Naji is actually good at several things and has relegated him to the bench?

3 scoreless games out of the last 6. Read that twice.

[MHettel]

Double post...

[AviatorX]

Yeah, I don't know what I expected going back and forth with you. Moment of weakness after a loss I guess. You lost me even further when you valued defense with blocks and steals.

Anyone with a brain can see that Kaiser has a clearly defined role (on much more loaded teams) and is very valuable when he plays it well (he needs to step up, which I have agreed with in every single post in this thread). Robinson just kinda sucked and didn't really do anything well.

I'm bowing out.

[GIMMFD]

Kaiser is definitely a key part of our team. He does play good defense, it doesn't have to be the steals and blocks, he's long and has quick enough feet to keep his man in front of him and alter shots. It's not about how much he fills up the box score. I don't think he deserves a pass, because he does need to hit a couple shots a game to keep defenses honest, and to really transform X to another level. Sure he didn't have a good night tonight, but we see flashes like the night before where he went off against St. John's. I'm sure he doesn't take this lightly, I'm sure it bothers him having a slump. If he can produce anything like he did last March in the tournament, we will be fine. He was a big part of an Elite 8 run, and that speaks volumes itself. It's there somewhere, and hopefully he can channel it when it matters most. Let's see how things unfold before calling him Jeff Robinson.

[Xavier]

Can you answer my one question, though? Why did you decide not to post the three point percentage splits? Surely even you must agree that Kaiser's primary value is as a 3 and D guy.

Gates strength on this team is hitting his 3 point shots. Lets take away his strength so the comparison looks better, i guess?

[Xuperman]

Hey MHETTEL, your JR comparison is cute but there are already TWO OTHER Kaiser threads with hundreds of posts. Read some of those and TRY to add something FRESH.....all has already been said.

[TUclutch]

I'm not trying to defend that. I'm saying your comparison is stupid. And it is for the reasons I highlighted above. Obviously Kaiser is a big X factor for this team and needs to step up.

Can you explain to me why you excluded 3P% for a 3 and D guy?

Not that surprising considering the source.

Because it wouldn't fit his narrative lol.

This thread is f***ing stupid

[TUclutch]

You sound like a real jackoff.

I’m tired of gates getting a free pass all year long. Why does he? He’s not an underclassman. He’s a three year contributor that lost his starting job and has faded into obscurity.

Jp and tre take all the flak from tonight, but at least they freaking DID something. Jp should have dropped off that pass to Goodin, but at he was taking the ball to the rack trying to win the damn game.

Kaiser was invisible. And he’s been invisible more and more lately.

And I’m gonna say it. And I don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

That dude needs to show up.

Um WTF did tre do? Tre didn't show up to play at all and then when he had a chance to win the game, he not only made a STUPID decision to go for a layup, but then he missed the layup. Scruggs and Kanter were really the only bright spot yesterday

[Xuperman]

Well hello Mr. March! Nice to see you made it to the party!:

Apparently he stepped outside for a smoke

[AviatorX]

Because it wouldn't fit his narrative lol.

This thread is f***ing stupid

Trevon Bluiett has a similar turnovers per game and blocks per game rate as Adrion Graves. I didn't post points per game because it would be obvious which one was Trevon.

[TUclutch]

Trevon Bluiett has a similar turnovers per game and blocks per game rate as Adrion Graves. I didn't post points per game because it would be obvious which one was Trevon.

Im dead. :lol: :lol:

[stammina0721]

And these...... Are The Days Of Our Lives!!!

[drudy23]

Interesting tid bit

https://twitter.com/BannersParkway/status/971958365990551552

It is interesting, but let's stop with the "elite" defender status (I know you didn't write it) for Gates. He's far from an elite defender.

[stammina0721]

I now feel dumber having read this thread

[D-West & PO-Z]

You sound like a real jackoff.

I’m tired of gates getting a free pass all year long. Why does he? He’s not an underclassman. He’s a three year contributor that lost his starting job and has faded into obscurity.

Jp and tre take all the flak from tonight, but at least they freaking DID something. Jp should have dropped off that pass to Goodin, but at he was taking the ball to the rack trying to win the damn game.

Kaiser was invisible. And he’s been invisible more and more lately.

And I’m gonna say it. And I don’t care if it hurts your feelings.

That dude needs to show up.

Yeah I'm tired of the free pass too! We should really take him to the woodshed! Everyone on here should be talking shit about him making dumb player comparisons! Mack should talk shit about him in the media, and the media should talk shit about him on TV and in print! How is Kaiser ever going to realize he needs to play better if he keeps getting these free passes from the fans, Mack, and the media? If only everyone would do their part talking shit and stop handing out free passes then this team can finally take it to the next level!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ok. I’ll bite.

I didn’t post his 3 point% because it would clearly identify him vs Jeff Robinson who shot something like 11.9%. It would be pretty easy to know that’s not kaiser don’t you think?

Which makes it a dumb comparison.

And the team dynamics are nothing similar compared between the two teams.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Because it wouldn't fit his narrative lol.

This thread is f***ing stupid

Amen

[D-West & PO-Z]

Trevon Bluiett has a similar turnovers per game and blocks per game rate as Adrion Graves. I didn't post points per game because it would be obvious which one was Trevon.

Ha, I like it.

[TUclutch]

It is interesting, but let's stop with the "elite" defender status (I know you didn't write it) for Gates. He's far from an elite defender.

This just isnt true. Blocks/Steals dont mke someone an elite defender. He rarely gets beat. He can guard 4 positions. Watch some film for me one time

[stammina0721]

Trevon Bluiett has a similar turnovers per game and blocks per game rate as Adrion Graves. I didn't post points per game because it would be obvious which one was Trevon.

So exactly how much time do you have? Do you ever go outside, get laid, have a friend or anything? Who in the Hell has time to actually look up Adrian Graves stats to compare to Trevon? On that note who the Hell has time to look up Jeff Robinson's stats? I need your kind of money to have time like that

[AviatorX]

So exactly how much time do you have? Do you ever go outside, get laid, have a friend or anything? Who in the Hell has time to actually look up Adrian Graves stats to compare to Trevon? On that note who the Hell has time to look up Jeff Robinson's stats? I need your kind of money to have time like that

It took me about 5 seconds to type that totally made up sentence.

[GIMMFD]

it took me about 5 seconds to type that totally made up sentence.

lmaooooooo incredible. Need a sarcasm font sometimes huh?

[MADXSTER]

I'll take Kaiser's defense any day of the week over Robinson's.

[stammina0721]

It took me about 5 seconds to type that totally made up sentence.

Okay good glad that was the case. Such a beautiful day to waste looking up Graves stats haha

[KFX]

Gates is xavier’s Best defender. Mack has been saying it for two years and I’ve watched the guy. Clutch is right. He keeps his player in front of him and is usually in the game when we need a stop. When he was benched it was because of rebounding not defense.

[XUFan09]

There are three appropriate ways to talk about field goal percentage: splits, effective field goal percentage, and true shooting percentage. Really, all three together is preferable just to give more information. Any use of raw field goal percentage is really dumb.

And MHettel can spout all this nonsense about not wanting to make obvious who was who, but really, it was because then his equivocation would have been exposed. Then, comparing Gates to Robinson would look really dumb, as one would see that Gates' effective field goal percentage and true shooting percentage are both almost 10% better than Robinson's.

I also love the false dichotomy established. Apparently finding this player comparison to be bullshit and unfair to Gates means people are also giving Gates a free pass.

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[Muskie in dayton]

Holy shit I thought I inadvertently clicked on Musketeer Madness. You all need some Xanax.

[American X]

Enough. Merging with other Gates thread.