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xuinmd
02-26-2017, 06:03 PM
We will have goodin,scruggs, and marshal at the the guard position. Non of which are jump shooters.
X Factor
02-26-2017, 06:09 PM
We will have goodin,scruggs, and marshal at the the guard position. Non of which are jump shooters.
Exactly. If Tre leaves, we're going to be another bad three point shooting team, maybe worse.
And Gates hasn't improved like we all thought he would.
bleedXblue
02-26-2017, 06:29 PM
Becoming concerned more with the inability to guard than I am anything. Shooting comes and goes and yeah maybe we might not be a good 3 point shooting team, but if you cant guard you cant win consistently.
XfansinKy
02-26-2017, 06:43 PM
Need big guys too.
drudy23
02-26-2017, 06:45 PM
I know Mack likes the Villanova style of play, but we need some consistency in the paint. I'm not talking centers, but bruising power forwards that can defend and intimidate. I really like the bulk of the Butler big guys. So much harder to guard when you have bigs that are threats.
XfansinKy
02-26-2017, 06:47 PM
I know Mack likes the Villanova style of play, but we need some consistency in the paint. I'm not talking centers, but bruising power forwards that can defend and intimidate. I really like the bulk of the Butler big guys. So much harder to guard when you have bigs that are threats.
I like Tyrique.
drudy23
02-26-2017, 06:52 PM
Well...Tyrique can't defend me right now.
bleedXblue
02-26-2017, 06:55 PM
Well...Tyrique can't defend me right now.
Nor can JP, Tre or Malcom. All very average defensively.
bigdiggins
02-26-2017, 06:55 PM
Well...Tyrique can't defend me right now.
Especially if you were in a pick and roll. He would just around and point at you from 10 feet away.
markchal
02-26-2017, 08:22 PM
I've always thought it more likely that Tre comes back (although at the start of the year, I would've guessed both were gone), but does anyone think it's possible both return next year? This is probably just wishful thinking now, right?
bleedXblue
02-26-2017, 08:48 PM
I've always thought it more likely that Tre comes back (although at the start of the year, I would've guessed both were gone), but does anyone think it's possible both return next year? This is probably just wishful thinking now, right?
Tre is projected to be a late 2nd round pick at best. The question is, if he comes back can he improve his position? He just saw one of his best friends lose a chance at millions b/c of injury. I say there is about a 10% chance he stays and plays another year.
vee4xu
02-26-2017, 09:14 PM
Who knows. Last year, team wins first 12 games, kills it all season and Mack national coach of the year. This year, well, I don't have to type anything here about this year. It's like a fresh pile of manure on our front porches. Next year, who the heck knows!!!
xavierj
02-26-2017, 09:25 PM
Xavier is in such bad shape they should petition to go back to the A10. Besides our talent is so bad and our coach is so good he will be coaching at IU next year. We are doomed...
Tre is projected to be a late 2nd round pick at best. The question is, if he comes back can he improve his position? He just saw one of his best friends lose a chance at millions b/c of injury. I say there is about a 10% chance he stays and plays another year.
Correction: delayed or possibly impaired. Nothing is lost at this point. Fingers crossed for the best.
AviatorX
02-26-2017, 09:34 PM
Xavier isn't exactly in a position to sign the few (if any in a given recruiting class) big and athletic guards who can shoot it well and defend on the perimeter.
I like Mack's strategy to get the horses, surround them with role player shooters as much as possible, and try to grow them over the course of a few years. Can you imagine how frustrating it would be to watch undersized and under athletic guards try to matchup with the backcourts across the conference?
I know Xavier has had a ton of success in the last decade and a half or so, but recruiting against the likes of some of the schools Scruggs, Marshall, etc. could have chosen is seriously tough and impressive. Honestly, if you were a HS kid (without a previous connection to X) would you come play at Xavier over IU or Michigan State? It's an uphill battle that will hopefully even out over time.
X-band '01
02-26-2017, 09:39 PM
Xavier is in such bad shape they should petition to go back to the A10. Besides our talent is so bad and our coach is so good he will be coaching at IU next year. We are doomed...
Funny, you'd think that other blue-blood programs wouldn't want a Xavier coach on the hot seat.
Funny, you'd think that other blue-blood programs wouldn't want a Xavier coach on the hot seat.
Mack is on the hot seat? Am I missing the sarcasm typeface??
X-band '01
02-26-2017, 09:58 PM
Sarcasm has neither a font nor typeface.
Sarcasm has neither a font nor typeface.
Does it have a smell?
XMuskieFTW
02-26-2017, 11:35 PM
We will have goodin,scruggs, and marshal at the the guard position. Non of which are jump shooters.
All of which are high level defenders.
SemajParlor
02-26-2017, 11:51 PM
Can we at least wait until Musketeer Madness before we label our new guys?
X Factor
02-27-2017, 12:10 AM
All of which are high level defenders.
Great offense will beat great defense.
XfansinKy
02-27-2017, 06:22 AM
I've always thought it more likely that Tre comes back (although at the start of the year, I would've guessed both were gone), but does anyone think it's possible both return next year? This is probably just wishful thinking now, right?
If both come back, along with what's coming back and in, X is a legit top 25 team.
xukeith
02-27-2017, 06:49 AM
All of which are high level defenders.
That is funny!
xukeith
02-27-2017, 06:51 AM
Even if Ed did not get injured and Tre did not sprain his ankle(why is he playing at Seton Hall and vs. Butler?) do we think X would have been a top 25 team this year?
Our players are being exposed so it was all smoke and mirrors without Reynolds and Farr.
GIMMFD
02-27-2017, 08:11 AM
If both come back, along with what's coming back and in, X is a legit top 25 team.
If both come back and everybody develops some I would go out on a limb and say we could be a top 10 team to be honest. Granted a lot of variables have to occur for that, such as cutting down the stupid turnovers, etc. but it's definitely not out of the question.
Xavier
02-27-2017, 08:56 AM
Even if Ed did not get injured and Tre did not sprain his ankle(why is he playing at Seton Hall and vs. Butler?) do we think X would have been a top 25 team this year?
Our players are being exposed so it was all smoke and mirrors without Reynolds and Farr.
Absolutely.
XMuskieFTW
02-27-2017, 09:09 AM
That is funny!
Scruggs is the top defender in the class amongst guards, and Naji is a very good defender who can guard the 2-4. Am I missing something or are you just making useless comments?
kellernr
02-27-2017, 09:15 AM
If both came back wouldn't be 1 over the limit? Who gets the short straw?
XMuskieFTW
02-27-2017, 09:17 AM
If both came back wouldn't be 1 over the limit? Who gets the short straw?
Nope. We'd be at 13.
X Factor
02-27-2017, 09:27 AM
Scruggs is the top defender in the class amongst guards, and Naji is a very good defender who can guard the 2-4. Am I missing something or are you just making useless comments?
And JP was considered one of the Top 10 shooters in his class coming out.
Let's wait until these kids actually go against DI competition before proclaiming anything. I've learned my lesson because Ive done the same thing for years.
XMuskieFTW
02-27-2017, 09:31 AM
And JP was considered one of the Top 10 shooters in his class coming out.
Let's wait until these kids actually go against DI competition before proclaiming anything. I've learned my lesson because Ive done the same thing for years.
I mean yea. The whole basis of this thread is pretty pointless. Half our team will be frosh next year, so no reason to speculate anything.
kellernr
02-27-2017, 09:31 AM
Nope. We'd be at 13.
You are right. I thought we were using 11 scholarships this year. Only using 10
SkyWalker
02-27-2017, 10:02 AM
I think it's too soon to start looking at next year. A year ago this year's team included Myles Davis, Larry Austin Jr, Makinde London, Eddie Ekiyor, and possibly Jalen Reynolds. I believe we totalled 30 minutes and 2 points from this group. Gaston and Bernard weren't even on the radar a year ago. A lot can happen in the next 9 months.
markchal
02-27-2017, 10:29 AM
Obviously a lot can happen, but that's why it's fun for fans to speculate. Given that we're in our worst losing streak in decades and don't have an easy-W on the horizon, maybe it's okay to have one thread dedicated to talking about what might be next year.
Xavier
02-27-2017, 10:37 AM
Isn't DePaul just couple games away?
nuts4xu
02-27-2017, 11:05 AM
We will have goodin,scruggs, and marshal at the the guard position. Non of which are jump shooters.
We also have a commitment from Jared Ridder, small forward, who is the best shooter in our incoming class.
http://https://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/screen-shot-2015-08-18-at-1-20-26-pm-e1439918454853.png?w=640&h=496
http://https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/3303
muskienick
02-28-2017, 07:22 PM
I think it's too soon to start looking at next year. A year ago this year's team included Myles Davis, Larry Austin Jr, Makinde London, Eddie Ekiyor, and possibly Jalen Reynolds. I believe we totalled 30 minutes and 2 points from this group. Gaston and Bernard weren't even on the radar a year ago. A lot can happen in the next 9 months.
Actually, Gaston was in the program last year and practiced with the team the entire season. (He was definitely "on the radar" and was counted among our scholarship players at the time while serving his mandatory game-inactive transfer year.
XfansinKy
02-28-2017, 11:09 PM
6'5 SG Elias Harden is a jump shooter. He's got nice elevation on his jumper too. His HS backcourt is probably the best in the country.
Jared Ridder is a very goor shooter, and with good size. The future is bright people. Have you never been kicked in the jewels? You get over it. Life goes on.
XMuskieFTW
03-01-2017, 12:33 AM
6'5 SG Elias Harden is a jump shooter. He's got nice elevation on his jumper too. His HS backcourt is probably the best in the country.
Watched him on espnU about a month ago. Didn't shoot well, but you could tell he had a good shot and was good at getting open. His defense and rebounding were really really rough, but that's probably an easier fix. Really hoping Elias and Jared can give us something next year from outside. Would be a big boost.
XfansinKy
03-01-2017, 07:01 AM
I came across a nice article on Naji at Hoopseen.com titled X Marks the Spot for Naji Marshall. Looks like he's closer to 6'7.
http://www.hoopseen.com/news/player/201607/x-marks-spot-naji-marshall
Muskie
03-01-2017, 08:45 AM
Jared Ridder is a very goor shooter, and with good size. The future is bright people. Have you never been kicked in the jewels? You get over it. Life goes on.
In before someone goes to the inferior competition in High School card.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 09:41 AM
I have high hopes for the guys in this class, but I hope people remember they will only be freshman.
IMHO the fortunes of next year's team will be determined more by the improvements made by returning guys.
A few of those freshman will make an impact, but the bulk of the determination of how our season goes will come from how guys like JP, Kaiser, Tyrique, Q, and Sean improve.
As well as obviously Tre and/or Ed if either or both come back.
xavierj
03-01-2017, 11:01 AM
I have high hopes for the guys in this class, but I hope people remember they will only be freshman.
IMHO the fortunes of next year's team will be determined more by the improvements made by returning guys.
A few of those freshman will make an impact, but the bulk of the determination of how our season goes will come from how guys like JP, Kaiser, Tyrique, Q, and Sean improve.
As well as obviously Tre and/or Ed if either or both come back.
I agree with this. But next years class has a little of everything and if nothing else, all have the makeup to be scorers and good defenders, with the exception of Ridder who is more of a shooter from what I can tell. Elias Harden has a sweet stoke and has potential to be a very good college player. Scruggs has been banged up but is supposed to be very good and Naji Marshall has been dominating at Hargrove. Has had multiple 20 rebound games and puts up a ton of points against decent prep competition.
In before someone goes to the inferior competition in High School card.
....and that gigantic high school rim they are looking at!
bleedXblue
03-01-2017, 11:58 AM
I have high hopes for the guys in this class, but I hope people remember they will only be freshman.
IMHO the fortunes of next year's team will be determined more by the improvements made by returning guys.
A few of those freshman will make an impact, but the bulk of the determination of how our season goes will come from how guys like JP, Kaiser, Tyrique, Q, and Sean improve.
As well as obviously Tre and/or Ed if either or both come back.
I think we have to start getting out of this mode of "freshman" getting a pass. If we're going to be a consistent contender in the BE and remain relevant in the rankings consistently, we need these highly rated guys to contribute their freshman year.
We aren't recruiting the Reggie Butler's anymore. No disrespect to Reggie of course.
ArizonaXUGrad
03-01-2017, 12:09 PM
Right now I still think Tre is gone and Ed is coming back.
That said, my concern for Mack and Co. is his recruiting of big men. It is clear to me that he tries to find the diamonds in the rough. O'Mara was just outside the top 100 and Jones was just inside. O'Mara is probably as good as he will be, but Jones I feel is going to dramatically improve if he can stay healthy. The big IF on K.Jones coming, that kid is huge and very raw. He might be good in 2-3 years. Brady Ernst is an unknown for me. It's clear he is a banger type on the block, whether he has the talent is another issue. Big men are the problem right now.
Villanova does well because all their guys play 100% on defense and they have 4 guys who can drill 3s between 39-41%. Two of those guys are gone, the question now for them is whether DeVincenzo and the other young guys they are can up their %. Brunson and Bridges both shoot well and are sophomores. Spellman will help them down low next year.
We took the hit this year because of really two big things. Myles was a knucklehead and Ed got hurt. Reynolds was not coming back at 24 years old and Mack knew it (Gaston was brought in). If Myles plays the year, we get his 40+% from 3 and 85+% from the line. Argue this all you want, it's a chat board but if Myles shoots like he can it might take pressure off of Ed to drive the lane like he did. Cards were against us from day one, the board's bullish thinkers just didn't see it.
XU 87
03-01-2017, 12:10 PM
I think we have to start getting out of this mode of "freshman" getting a pass. If we're going to be a consistent contender in the BE and remain relevant in the rankings consistently, we need these highly rated guys to contribute their freshman year.
I agree with the "contribute" part. It's the level of contribution that we should expect is where we have some disagreement. Gooden was expected to contribute. No one expected him to be playing 38 minutes per game and essentially handling all of the point guard duties. Gooden's expected role has dramatically changed.
If Ekiyor didn't leave the team, I think there was a reasonable chance that Jones would have red shirted this year. Instead he has been starting, albeit playing lesser minutes than Gaston.
bleedXblue
03-01-2017, 12:16 PM
Right now I still think Tre is gone and Ed is coming back.
That said, my concern for Mack and Co. is his recruiting of big men. It is clear to me that he tries to find the diamonds in the rough. O'Mara was just outside the top 100 and Jones was just inside. O'Mara is probably as good as he will be, but Jones I feel is going to dramatically improve if he can stay healthy. The big IF on K.Jones coming, that kid is huge and very raw. He might be good in 2-3 years. Brady Ernst is an unknown for me. It's clear he is a banger type on the block, whether he has the talent is another issue. Big men are the problem right now.
Villanova does well because all their guys play 100% on defense and they have 4 guys who can drill 3s between 39-41%. Two of those guys are gone, the question now for them is whether DeVincenzo and the other young guys they are can up their %. Brunson and Bridges both shoot well and are sophomores. Spellman will help them down low next year.
We took the hit this year because of really two big things. Myles was a knucklehead and Ed got hurt. Reynolds was not coming back at 24 years old and Mack knew it (Gaston was brought in). If Myles plays the year, we get his 40+% from 3 and 85+% from the line. Argue this all you want, it's a chat board but if Myles shoots like he can it might take pressure off of Ed to drive the lane like he did. Cards were against us from day one, the board's bullish thinkers just didn't see it.
I think Nova loses Brunson and/or Bridges. Both are project in some mock drafts in the second round.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 12:40 PM
Right now I still think Tre is gone and Ed is coming back.
That said, my concern for Mack and Co. is his recruiting of big men. It is clear to me that he tries to find the diamonds in the rough. O'Mara was just outside the top 100 and Jones was just inside. O'Mara is probably as good as he will be, but Jones I feel is going to dramatically improve if he can stay healthy. The big IF on K.Jones coming, that kid is huge and very raw. He might be good in 2-3 years. Brady Ernst is an unknown for me. It's clear he is a banger type on the block, whether he has the talent is another issue. Big men are the problem right now.
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My understanding about Jones is that the big if is if he qualifies. Maybe something has changed on that front, but I know earlier in the year they were concerned it would be really close whether he makes it or not.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 12:41 PM
I think we have to start getting out of this mode of "freshman" getting a pass. If we're going to be a consistent contender in the BE and remain relevant in the rankings consistently, we need these highly rated guys to contribute their freshman year.
We aren't recruiting the Reggie Butler's anymore. No disrespect to Reggie of course.
No one is giving them a pass.
I simply said that the improvement of the current players will be much more important to next year's success than anything you will get from the freshman.
Are you disagreeing with that?
markchal
03-01-2017, 01:00 PM
My understanding about Jones is that the big if is if he qualifies. Maybe something has changed on that front, but I know earlier in the year they were concerned it would be really close whether he makes it or not.
I'm pretty sure that he's a big project and kinda raw, even if he does qualify.
SemajParlor
03-01-2017, 04:24 PM
What are the Vegas Odds of Tre and Ed BOTH returning?
bobbiemcgee
03-01-2017, 05:11 PM
I may be a polyanna, but we have a TERRIFIC recruiting class coming in and some good pieces coming back. Looking around the BE, I think we will compete just fine.
GreatWhiteNorth
03-01-2017, 05:19 PM
What are the Vegas Odds of Tre and Ed BOTH returning?
I have a feeling that at least one of them will return because I don't think they will make it to the NBA this year.
nasdadjr
03-01-2017, 05:29 PM
No one is giving them a pass.
I simply said that the improvement of the current players will be much more important to next year's success than anything you will get from the freshman.
Are you disagreeing with that?
Spot on here
bleedXblue
03-01-2017, 05:51 PM
No one is giving them a pass.
I simply said that the improvement of the current players will be much more important to next year's success than anything you will get from the freshman.
Are you disagreeing with that?
Nope early on in the year. Next year the freshman may be asked to do quite a bit depending of course on Ed and Tre. As we get further into the year their progress will determine a lot of things. Next year could be more of a rebuild than anything. Lots of stuff up in the air.
X Factor
03-01-2017, 05:57 PM
Scruggs and Marshall are both consensus Top 50 recruits. We SHOULD and I'm sure Mack is going to expect them to have a real impact on the court from the get go.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 06:04 PM
Scruggs and Marshall are both consensus Top 50 recruits. We SHOULD and I'm sure Mack is going to expect them to have a real impact on the court from the get go.
Again, no one has said anything to the contrary.
And not that it matters but Marshall is not a consensus top 50 guy.
SemajParlor
03-01-2017, 06:06 PM
Something to keep in mind - being deeper at guard and having guys that are hopefully in more defined roles is going to be enormous for us in 2017-2018. JP is a tremendous player and I believe that parts of his game (IMO way more that's been discussed) has been sacrificed due to our depleted back court. He's had to do soo much this year. He has been one of our primary ball handlers and plays every minute of every game. I am often very frustrated with how critical people have been with his play. I'm excited for his Sr year campaign- we're lucky to have him back.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 06:12 PM
Something to keep in mind - being deeper at guard and having guys that are hopefully in more defined roles is going to be enormous for us in 2017-2018. JP is a tremendous player and I believe that parts of his game (IMO way more that's been discussed) has been sacrificed due to our depleted back court. He's had to do soo much this year. He has been one of our primary ball handlers and plays every minute of every game. I am often very frustrated with how critical people have been with his play. I'm excited for his Sr year campaign- we're lucky to have him back.
The biggest benefit with regards to more guard depth and how it relates to JP will be the ability to sit him down when he gets turnover proned or refuses to defend.
Those are two really bad habits hes fallen into this year but unfortunately with the lack of depth Chris is forced to just take the bad w the good.
The biggest benefit with regards to more guard depth and how it relates to JP will be the ability to sit him down when he gets turnover proned or refuses to defend.
Those are two really bad habits hes fallen into this year but unfortunately with the lack of depth Chris is forced to just take the bad w the good.
The flip side of that (and a more reastic view) is that if he can sit once in a while, he won't become so turnover prone and too fatigued to defend. I guess I'm a glass half full kind of guy. These are not "really bad habits", these are the results of a depleted roster, for the most part.
casualfan
03-01-2017, 06:22 PM
The flip side of that (and a more reastic view) is that if he can sit once in a while, he won't become so turnover prone and too fatigued to defend. I guess I'm a glass half full kind of guy. These are not "really bad habits", these are the results of a depleted roster, for the most part.
Hes terrible defensively from the opening tip and has been for three years.
Its not like it gets worse as the game goes on.
I love JP, but hes just not a good defender.
I can buy that fatigue might be affecting his turnovers but I dont think it has a whole lot to do with his defense.
xukeith
03-01-2017, 06:24 PM
He is off to Europe like Reynolds except NO diploma
casualfan
03-01-2017, 06:27 PM
He is off to Europe like Reynolds except NO diploma
Who are you talking about?
AviatorX
03-01-2017, 06:48 PM
He is off to Europe like Reynolds except NO diploma
Would assume Trevon.
Why so bitter? Relax.
Hes terrible defensively from the opening tip and has been for three years.
Its not like it gets worse as the game goes on.
I love JP, but hes just not a good defender.
I can buy that fatigue might be affecting his turnovers but I dont think it has a whole lot to do with his defense.
Defense is mostly effort and heart once you get past physical limitations. No way he can improve if he's gassed all the time. I'll grant you it's not a strength for him, but it hurts NO ONE to have fresh legs in basketball.
SemajParlor
03-01-2017, 09:11 PM
Defense is mostly effort and heart once you get past physical limitations. No way he can improve if he's gassed all the time. I'll grant you it's not a strength for him, but it hurts NO ONE to have fresh legs in basketball.
That narrative is also lazy and exaggerated. He's not nearly as bad on D as people make him. Wonder why?
xuinmd
03-01-2017, 10:00 PM
i hope Q is not our starter at the point next year.
muethibp
03-01-2017, 10:08 PM
I don't think people are open-minded enough to the absolute train wreck that next year could be.
xavierj
03-01-2017, 10:09 PM
i hope Q is not our starter at the point next year.
I hope he makes the big freshman to sophmoreb jump and he is the point guard. Goodin is not why they are down. Xavier has 9!turnovers and Goodin has zero with 4 assists and three points.
Harryfe
03-01-2017, 10:21 PM
I hope he makes the big freshman to sophmoreb jump and he is the point guard. Goodin is not why they are down. Xavier has 9!turnovers and Goodin has zero with 4 assists and three points.
Q is not the ONLY reason they are down but if he is #1 pg next year we will be bad again. I believe he must lead the country in missed dunks
markchal
03-01-2017, 10:24 PM
Our season next year could hinge on the knees of Tyrique, because I'm not confident in K Jones qualifying or Sean making any sort of meaningful contributions. Did we pick up a juco big for next year, or am I dreaming that?
xavierj
03-01-2017, 10:26 PM
Q is not the ONLY reason they are down but if he is #1 pg next year we will be bad again. I believe he must lead the country in missed dunks
So he cannot improve?
AviatorX
03-01-2017, 10:37 PM
So he cannot improve?
Nope. He is what he is apprently.
xuinmd
03-01-2017, 10:38 PM
So he cannot improve?
unlikely, he couldn't shoot in high school simply jumped over ky farm boys
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:40 PM
Markus Howard is so good for a freshman. Finishes in the lane with ease.
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:41 PM
Does Mack teach defense? I hate this switching bull crap.
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:42 PM
Now they're shooting 64%
AviatorX
03-01-2017, 10:42 PM
unlikely, he couldn't shoot in high school simply jumped over ky farm boys
And garnered several high major offers after playing the absolute highest level of competition in AAU ball.
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:43 PM
Who looks like an NCAA tourney team? It's not the home team.
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:45 PM
Ever since Mack switched his philosophy to recruit "big" guards, we've had big guards who absolutely can't shoot!!
X Factor
03-01-2017, 10:47 PM
Welp, this one is over. Marquette's made 10 straight buckets. Xavier's defense sucks so bad!! We have no shooters.
We don't deserve an at large bid.
D-West & PO-Z
03-01-2017, 11:55 PM
Nope. He is what he is apprently.
Yeah just like Tu, remember how bad he was as a soph jr and sr???
X Factor
03-01-2017, 11:57 PM
Yeah just like Tu, remember how bad he was as a soph jr and sr???
Tu is an all-time great. Don't use him as an example. Even as a freshman, Tu was clutch and made 80% of FT's. He could pull up in the lane and finish with a teardrop or floater. His game was so much more well rounded.
D-West & PO-Z
03-02-2017, 12:00 AM
Tu is an all-time great. Don't use him as an example. Even as a freshman, Tu was clutch and made 80% of FT's. He could pull up in the lane and finish with a teardrop or floater. His game was so much more well rounded.
Tu was completely mediocre as a freshman other than at the FT line. NO ONE was saying Terrell Holloway will be our next great Xavier player during or after his freshman year. Again revisionist history, an XU fan tradition.
XMuskieFTW
03-02-2017, 12:01 AM
Tu is an all-time great. Don't use him as an example. Even as a freshman, Tu was clutch and made 80% of FT's. He could pull up in the lane and finish with a teardrop or floater. His game was so much more well rounded.
Tu shot 35% from the floor his freshman year.
AviatorX
03-02-2017, 12:01 AM
Tu was completely mediocre as a freshman other than at the FT line. NO ONE was saying Terrell Holloway will be our next great Xavier player during or after his freshman year. Again revisionist history, an XU fan tradition.
Not to mention if Q is 60% as good as Tu he will be a really really solid PG.
xavierj
03-02-2017, 12:02 AM
unlikely, he couldn't shoot in high school simply jumped over ky farm boys
There is more to the game then shooting. Ever heard of Rajon Rondo, John wall or even Russell Westbrook? Those guys were terrible shooters as freshman. Rajon Rondo shot 57% from the line and 28% from 3. Westbrook as a freshman averaged 3 pts and less than an assist a game and shot 54% from the line.
D-West & PO-Z
03-02-2017, 12:04 AM
Not to mention if Q is 60% as good as Tu he will be a really really solid PG.
Exactly.
xavierj
03-02-2017, 12:05 AM
Q had 5 points, 5 assists and only 1 turnover tonight on a charge which was also a bad decision on his part. I think next year he will be 10 point 6 assist guy. With his athleticism and strength along with a full season under his belt and an off season program, he will be hard to keep out of the lane. Not worried about his shooting because he will score in transition and off the drive.
AviatorX
03-02-2017, 12:06 AM
Exactly.
I am starting to find some significant humor in being labeled the positive wing of this board just because we think Goodin will improve and there's a chance Xavier makes the tournament this year.
X Factor
03-02-2017, 12:19 AM
Q had 5 points, 5 assists and only 1 turnover tonight on a charge which was also a bad decision on his part. I think next year he will be 10 point 6 assist guy. With his athleticism and strength along with a full season under his belt and an off season program, he will be hard to keep out of the lane. Not worried about his shooting because he will score in transition and off the drive.
He will? He has no pull up jumper, no floater, and no tear drop. It's all the way to the hoop or nothing. He shooting less than 60% from the FT line and 20% from three. Even Byron said on the post game show he HAS to give this team more than what he's giving them on offense.
D-West & PO-Z
03-02-2017, 12:23 AM
I am starting to find some significant humor in being labeled the positive wing of this board just because we think Goodin will improve and there's a chance Xavier makes the tournament this year.
Yeah it is very strange. I;m not sure how expecting out fresh PG who has been thrown to the wolves and, has averaged about 6 assists/game since taking over, to be better next year is overly optimistic.
I also think there will be some genuinely pissed off "fans" if X makes the tourney.
AviatorX
03-02-2017, 12:25 AM
Yeah it is very strange. I;m not sure how expecting out fresh PG who has been thrown to the wolves and, has averaged about 6 assists/game since taking over, to be better next year is overly optimistic.
I also think there will be some genuinely pissed off "fans" if X makes the tourney.
This season has taught me that X might not be an elite program yet, but we already have the craziness level in the fan base of an IU, UK, etc. Gotta love it.
xavierj
03-02-2017, 12:28 AM
He will? He has no pull up jumper, no floater, and no tear drop. It's all the way to the hoop or nothing. He shooting less than 60% from the FT line and 20% from three. Even Byron said on the post game show he HAS to give this team more than what he's giving them on offense.
I agree and he is a freshman. He has areas to improve and he will. He is a smart kid with a good work ethic. He will be fine.
TUclutch
03-03-2017, 01:53 PM
He will? He has no pull up jumper, no floater, and no tear drop. It's all the way to the hoop or nothing. He shooting less than 60% from the FT line and 20% from three. Even Byron said on the post game show he HAS to give this team more than what he's giving them on offense.
You should retire
TUclutch
03-03-2017, 01:54 PM
Can anyone confirm if Brady Ernst is eligible next season?
casualfan
03-03-2017, 01:57 PM
Can anyone confirm if Brady Ernst is eligible next season?
Why would he not be?
TUclutch
03-03-2017, 02:24 PM
Why would he not be?
He's a transfer is he not? Not familiar with his "transferring" or where hes coming from. Havent read up on him. Was easier to post here and check back later than to look through stories while Im busy
XMuskieFTW
03-03-2017, 02:25 PM
Can anyone confirm if Brady Ernst is eligible next season?
He is eligible next year.
casualfan
03-03-2017, 02:27 PM
He's a transfer is he not? Not familiar with his "transferring" or where hes coming from. Havent read up on him. Was easier to post here and check back later than to look through stories while Im busy
juco transfer.
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