2017 Coaching Carousel

[Muskie]

It's that time of year friends (though it seems early).

Akron: Keith Zambrot (Resign)
Alabama A&M: Willie Hayes (Resign)
Ark St: Grant McCasland (Resign)Mike Balado (In)
Austin Peay:
Bethune Cook:
Cal: Cuonzo Martin (Resign) Wyking Jones (In)
Cleveland State: Gary Waters (Out) Dennis Felton (In)
Chattanooga: Matt McCall (Resign) Lamont Paris (In)
Coppin St:
Dayton: Archie Miller (Out) Anthony Grant (In)
Duquesne: Jim Ferry (Out)Keith Zambrot (In)
Florida A&M:
Furman:
Georgetown: John Thompson,III (Out)
Grambling St:
Illinois: John Groce (Out) Brad Underwood (In)
Indiana: Tom Crean (Out) Archie Miller (In)
LIU-Brook:
LSU: Johnny Jones (Out) Will Wade (IN)
Miami (OH): John Cooper (Out) Jack Owens (In)
Missouri: Kim Anderson (Out) Cuonzo Martin (In)
NC State: Mark Gottfried (Out) Kevin Keatts (IN)
New Mexico: Craig Neal (Fired)
Oklahoma St: Brad Underwood (Resign) Mike Boynton (In)
Portland St:Quinnipiac: Tom Moore (Out) Baker Dunleavy (In)
Rice: Mike Rhoades (Resign) Scott Pera (In)
Seattle University:Cameron Dollar (Out) Jim Hayford (In)
UC-Santa B:UMASS: Derek Kellog (Out) Pat Kelsey (In) Pat Kelsey (Resign) Matt McCall (In)
UNC-W: Kevin Keatts (Resign)
UNT: Tony Benford (Out) Grant McCasland (IN)
USF: Antigua (Out)Brian Gregory (IN)
VCU:Will Wade (Resign)Mike Rhoades (IN)
Washington: Lorenzo Romar (OUT) Mike Hopkins (IN)
Winthrop: Pat Kelsey (Resign) Pat Kelsey (In)
YSU: Jerry Slocum (Retire)Jerrod Calhoun (In)

[STL_XUfan]

It's that time of year friends (though it seems early).


NC State: Gottfried (Out, once he finishes the season......)

FTFY to recognize the absurdity of that decision.

[xubrew]

I'm guessing that NC State already knows who they want, and is quite confident that they are going to get them. I can't see the logic in pulling a stunt like this unless you already know what you're going to do next and are rather certain that it will work.

Of course I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, which may be giving them too much credit. Maybe they're just completely nuts.

[paulxu]

Maybe they're just completely nuts.

There's a lot of that going around.

[Muskie]

I'm guessing that NC State already knows who they want, and is quite confident that they are going to get them. I can't see the logic in pulling a stunt like this unless you already know what you're going to do next and are rather certain that it will work.

Of course I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, which may be giving them too much credit. Maybe they're just completely nuts. One article I read mentioned Kelvin Sampson could be a good candidate. Let that sink in.

[xubrew]

One article I read mentioned Kelvin Sampson could be a good candidate. Let that sink in.

Oh please God!! Let it be Kelvin Sampson!!

Or Frank Haith!! I would start driving to Raleigh immediately just so I could get there and watch the city burn to the ground!

[X-band '01]

Tulsa hasn't regressed enough for Frank Haith to move on yet.

[GIMMFD]

I mean even if you know who you want to replace the guy, is it really fair to announce it during the season? Is that trying to spark some motivation for the players knowing their coach is leaving, so like?? Though how hilarious would it be that they announce his firing, NC State go on a magical run in the ACC Tournament, and end up getting entry to the NCAA Tournament, and making the Sweet 16 or something. Oh the back lash.

[bobbiemcgee]

Archie staying under the radar:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/article133861524.html

[casualfan]

I'm guessing that NC State already knows who they want, and is quite confident that they are going to get them. I can't see the logic in pulling a stunt like this unless you already know what you're going to do next and are rather certain that it will work.


Oh, they know who they want alright (Archie), they're just not going to get him I don't think.


Of course I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, which may be giving them too much credit. Maybe they're just completely nuts.

I mean, these are the same people that hired Gottfried in the first place haha.

In all seriousness it could be an epic year on the carousel. There are a bunch of good jobs that will likely open (NC State, Illinois, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou) and a couple elites that could as well (Indiana, OSU).

I gotta say i cringed a little bit listening to the most recent skinner podcast when Rick brought up his thoughts on Mack being heavily involved this offseason.

[AviatorX]

Oh, they know who they want alright (Archie), they're just not going to get him I don't think.



I mean, these are the same people that hired Gottfried in the first place haha.

In all seriousness it could be an epic year on the carousel. There are a bunch of good jobs that will likely open (NC State, Illinois, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou) and a couple elites that could as well (Indiana, OSU).

I gotta say i cringed a little bit listening to the most recent skinner podcast when Rick brought up his thoughts on Mack being heavily involved this offseason.

Yeah, no question that if IU/OSU open up Mack will be heavily in the mix for both. Obviously if Mack were to go to IU Steele might (likely to?) get the X job, but wow would those two kill it on the recruiting trail at IU.

[GoMuskies]

If IU gets rid of Crean, and their third call (after getting laughed at by Stevens and Donovan) isn't to Gregg Marshall, they're idiots.

[xubrew]

Oh, they know who they want alright (Archie), they're just not going to get him I don't think.



I mean, these are the same people that hired Gottfried in the first place haha.

In all seriousness it could be an epic year on the carousel. There are a bunch of good jobs that will likely open (NC State, Illinois, LSU, Arkansas, Mizzou) and a couple elites that could as well (Indiana, OSU).

I gotta say i cringed a little bit listening to the most recent skinner podcast when Rick brought up his thoughts on Mack being heavily involved this offseason.

I don't foresee Arkansas opening up. They're not great, but they will most likely make the tournament in a year that few were expecting them to even make the NIT.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mack. I don't think he'll leave, but if he leaves, he leaves. There will always be a lot of good coaches who are interested in an opening like Xavier. Everybody always freaks out, but if you're in a position to where you're turning good coaches away because you can only hire one of them then you're in a pretty damn good position, and that's the position we're in.

[xubrew]

If IU gets rid of Crean, and their third call (after getting laughed at by Stevens and Donovan) isn't to Gregg Marshall, they're idiots.

Glass came from the world of fundraising and development. He'll ask his donors who they want. That's how he'll come up with his list of candidates.

I'm only half kidding.

[AviatorX]

If IU gets rid of Crean, and their third call (after getting laughed at by Stevens and Donovan) isn't to Gregg Marshall, they're idiots.

I agree, but I really think what I said a few days ago about not wanting a guy from a hardass mold carries some weight with Glass and the boosters, especially post Kevin Wilson football era. Apparently Marshall is known for basically being a total asshole who has no interest in the public persona of the job. An asshole that can coach the hell out of a basketball team but I don't think the latter half of that sentence will fly at IU.

I don't have SOURCES but it is the kind of info that I can tell trickled down from people who might.

I would love Marshall. But I'm preparing for another year of Crean or worst case scenario Dane Fife. I just have a feeling the only way Crean is out at IU is if he feels the heat and decides to move on to a soft landing job.

[JTG]

I agree, but I really think what I said a few days ago about not wanting a guy from a hardass mold carries some weight with Glass and the boosters, especially post Kevin Wilson football era. Apparently Marshall is known for basically being a total asshole who has no interest in the public persona of the job. An asshole that can coach the hell out of a basketball team but I don't think the latter half of that sentence will fly at IU.

I don't have SOURCES but it is the kind of info that I can tell trickled down from people who might.
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Are you forgetting IU had the ultimate asshole coach (K night ) for 20+ years ?

[AviatorX]

Are you forgetting IU had the ultimate asshole coach (K night ) for 20+ years ?

Yeah, no question on that one. The irony is strong. That was a different era and administration though. Having to fire Knight the way they did probably didn't help.

[Emp]

I don't foresee Arkansas opening up. They're not great, but they will most likely make the tournament in a year that few were expecting them to even make the NIT.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mack. I don't think he'll leave, but if he leaves, he leaves. There will always be a lot of good coaches who are interested in an opening like Xavier. Everybody always freaks out, but if you're in a position to where you're turning good coaches away because you can only hire one of them then you're in a pretty damn good position, and that's the position we're in.

I am not being a smart ass in asking who are the good coaches Xavier has turned away in the the past? I don't recall any.

[AviatorX]

I don't foresee Arkansas opening up. They're not great, but they will most likely make the tournament in a year that few were expecting them to even make the NIT.

I wouldn't worry too much about Mack. I don't think he'll leave, but if he leaves, he leaves. There will always be a lot of good coaches who are interested in an opening like Xavier. Everybody always freaks out, but if you're in a position to where you're turning good coaches away because you can only hire one of them then you're in a pretty damn good position, and that's the position we're in.

I don't know, I feel like if IU or OSU came calling Mack would be gone. Just my opinion.

[bobbiemcgee]

I think Archie is gone somewhere despite what the delusional fans to the North say. For one thing, he has 4 seniors graduating and really no prospects to replace them. Has one decent PG coming in that will have to run the team as a frosh. He'll decommit when Archie bolts.

[xu82]

I think Archie is gone somewhere despite what the delusional fans to the North say. For one thing, he has 4 seniors graduating and really no prospects to replace them. Has one decent PG coming in that will have to run the team as a frosh. He'll decommit when Archie bolts.


But, other than that......

[Juice]

I think Archie is gone somewhere despite what the delusional fans to the North say. For one thing, he has 4 seniors graduating and really no prospects to replace them. Has one decent PG coming in that will have to run the team as a frosh. He'll decommit when Archie bolts.

They also have Kostas Antetokounmpo redshirting though.

[Muskie]

Unless Mack goes to the Elite 8 or Final 4 this year, I doubt the IU faithful would accept him as coach. Indiana still considers itself a Blueblood program, I doubt many in their fanbase would "settle" for Chris Mack. The only reason Miller was in the mix last time was because of his Elite 8 trip. They still picked someone else.

[casualfan]

Unless Mack goes to the Elite 8 or Final 4 this year, I doubt the IU faithful would accept him as coach. Indiana still considers itself a Blueblood program, I doubt many in their fanbase would "settle" for Chris Mack. The only reason Miller was in the mix last time was because of his Elite 8 trip. They still picked someone else.

I mean, I'm not sure they will have much of a choice.

Who out there with a final four on their resume would be available?

[GoMuskies]

Who out there with a final four on their resume would be available?

Gregg Marshall

[casualfan]

Gregg Marshall

Right. He's the one guy, but he'd already been talked about in the thread so I didn't want to rehash why I don't think that will happen.

That's definitely the one guy with a final four that could potentially be had though.

[Muskie]

I mean, I'm not sure they will have much of a choice.

Who out there with a final four on their resume would be available? A part of me believes that Indiana would take Steve Alford, still.

[GoMuskies]

A part of me believes that Indiana would take Steve Alford, still.

It helps that even Indiana fans think Bob Knight is an asshole now.

[xubrew]

I am not being a smart ass in asking who are the good coaches Xavier has turned away in the the past? I don't recall any.

Completely fair point.

I admit that I'm being presumptuous. I'm fairly certain that coaches other than the one we hired did apply for the job, but rather than spread rumors as to who it may or may not have been, I'll just concede the point. I really don't know for certain who else was interested outside of who we ended up hiring, nor do I know for certain who would be interested if Chris Mack were to leave. I can guess that we'd be able to put together a fairly impressive pool of candidates, and because of that I tend not to worry, but to your point I really do not know for sure.

[casualfan]

A part of me believes that Indiana would take Steve Alford, still.

Did i miss the final four he coached in?

[LA Muskie]

2013 (as a 9 seed) taking down #1 Gonzaga and #2 Ohio State before falling to eventual champion #1 Louisville.


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[GoMuskies]

2013 (as a 9 seed) taking down #1 Gonzaga and #2 Ohio State before falling to eventual champion #1 Louisville.


Damn, Steve Alford's Final Four run sounds remarkably similar to Gregg Marshall's. :)

[LA Muskie]

Damn, Steve Alford's Final Four run sounds remarkably similar to Gregg Marshall's. :)

Sorry. Thought we were talking about Gregg Marshall. Did someone say Steve Alford has a Final Four under his belt?

EDIT: I now see how the inference can be drawn from Muskie's post, although I doubt that was his intent.

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[AviatorX]

A part of me believes that Indiana would take Steve Alford, still.

Meh, he has a huge two-way buyout in the neighborhood of 7 million and has an awesome class coming in. I also think reasonable IU fans see him as having a similar profile to Crean as far as roster construction. No thanks.

The reasonable IU contingent would definitely come around on hearing "no" from Stevens and Donovan and then grabbing either Archie or Mack. I think most of the IU fanbase is past the winning the press conference stage (especially after Crean, who had the "it's Indiana" amazing presser and look where things stand now). Like anywhere else, as long as who is next wins people will be happy.

It's not hard to build a winner in Bloomington. I think a guy like Mack or Archie would crush it.

[paulxu]

The reasonable IU contingent

= semi-boneless ham

[XU 87]

I am not being a smart ass in asking who are the good coaches Xavier has turned away in the the past? I don't recall any.

Interesting question.

Going back to Gillen, it was down to Gillen and a UNLV assistant. XU AD Jeff Fogelson wanted and had actually decided to hire the UNLV guy, but backed off after there was outrage from some X alums and others that X would be hiring Tarkanian's assistant.

Prosser- no one else in the running

Matta- he was the only real candidate, but I think X talked to McCaffery (now at Iowa) and a Kansas assistant (who went to another school (TCU?) and got fired.

Miller- no one else.

Mack- I think the former Western Kentucky and then South Carolina coach (Darren Horn, who has since been fired by USC) and the former Wright State coach, who is now at Clemson (Brad Brownell), were also in the running.

[bleedXblue]

Indiana will aim high initially and get the cold shoulder from big time names mostly b/c I don't think the job is today what it once was 20 years ago. Today there are 30-40 jobs that pay very, very well and have poisoned themselves really well. I would think guys like Archie and Mack would be front and center. If Miller and Matta could leave here and have success at two big programs why would Indiana not think a similar situation could play out?

[AviatorX]

= semi-boneless ham

XU's fanbase is creeping closer and closer to that level if you spend any time on here when Xavier is down by 5 or more points.

[X-band '01]

Interesting question.

Going back to Gillen, it was down to Gillen and a UNLV assistant. XU AD Jeff Fogelson wanted and had actually decided to hire the UNLV guy, but backed off after there was outrage from some X alums and others that X would be hiring Tarkanian's assistant.

Prosser- no one else in the running

Matta- he was the only real candidate, but I think X talked to McCaffery (now at Iowa) and a Kansas assistant (who went to another school (TCU?) and got fired.

Miller- no one else.

Mack- I think the former Western Kentucky and then South Carolina coach (Darren Horn, who has since been fired by USC) and the former Wright State coach, who is now at Clemson (Brad Brownell), were also in the running.

At that time, Fran McCaffery had just led UNC-Greensboro to the NCAA Tournament; he had also taken Lehigh (back when they were usually awful) to the NCAAs a decade earlier. He would go on to a successful Siena gig before moving to Iowa.

[XU 87]

I never knew he coached at Lehigh. He went from the head coach at Lehigh to an assistant at ND. Odd career move since he did well at Lehigh.

[Muskie]

Damn, Steve Alford's Final Four run sounds remarkably similar to Gregg Marshall's. :)

I meant to note that Steve Alford would be an exception. But he has something on his resume that IU fans value even more. He won a National Title as a beloved Player in his home state of Indiana.

[X-band '01]

He also won a gold medal with the 1984 Olympic team.

[RetireFiftyTu]

Doesn't pertain to 2017 necessarily, but a look ahead at the future of the coaching jobs at UNC, Duke, Louisville, and Syracuse. http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/02/20/duke-mike-krzyzewski-north-carolina-roy-williams-syracuse-jim-boeheim-louisville-rick-pitino-future?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

[GoMuskies]

Buzz Williams and Mick Cronin mentioned for Louisville?!? Gross.

[gladdenguy]

Brad Brownell and Clemson give up another 3 on defense to lose the game. That is frustrating.

[Masterofreality]

Buzz Williams and Mick Cronin mentioned for Louisville?!? Gross.

When is Kevin O'Nucklehead's name going to surface?

[X-band '01]

In a couple of years when Cal Baptist moves up to D-I.

[XU 87]

When is Kevin O'Nucklehead's name going to surface?

I think O'Neil, Lavin, and Lappas are all in the running for the NC State job.

[xubrew]

I think O'Neil, Lavin, and Lappas are all in the running for the NC State job.

If it's any one of those three I may not stop laughing for a week.

[pimpinthebox]

Interesting takes on this thread - one of the more intelligent threads I've read on the board in quite some time...thank God. Love how Go is pushing for Gregg Marshall . Great breakdown by 87 on the X coaching candidates. Brings back some memories during those trying times. Hope we don't have to go through that anytime soon. The only job I can see Mack leaving for is Louisville. IU and OSU would be tempting, but I honestly feel it's different with Louisville. Big-time program, big-time pay raise, his wife's hometown, and close to his own hometown. But despite all the antics (hookers for recruits, dirty restaurant sex with waitresses), I don't see Pitino getting pushed out anytime soon. And for most of those same reasons, I say the same for Archie. He and his wife both alums. Tough to turn that opportunity down. HE'S AT DAYTON, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE.

[JTG]

NC State is a no win situation. It is in the same area as Duke and UNC, but without any of the publicity. All three schools are within 15 miles of each other, but NCS is the ugly stepchild, and always will be.

[muskiefan82]

Indiana will aim high initially and get the cold shoulder from big time names mostly b/c I don't think the job is today what it once was 20 years ago. Today there are 30-40 jobs that pay very, very well and have poisoned themselves really well. I would think guys like Archie and Mack would be front and center. If Miller and Matta could leave here and have success at two big programs why would Indiana not think a similar situation could play out?

Yes. Yes they have poisoned themselves in some cases.

[pimpinthebox]

NC State is a no win situation. It is in the same area as Duke and UNC, but without any of the publicity. All three schools are within 15 miles of each other, but NCS is the ugly stepchild, and always will be.

So then I'll echo what bobbiemcgee said above, Archie has done a bang-up job at UD with what he can get there and has four seniors leaving the program at season's end. Liking his team going forward or not (and I'm sure he does), there's going to be a drop-off and schools are going to poach while you're looking good - not that it truly matters, but it sure helps with perception. Maybe I'm just hopeful and am making a case for it. Would be nice to see what happens to Dayton in the post-Archie era. God knows X has come out smelling like a rose in recent years/decades.

[X-band '01]

NC State is a no win situation. It is in the same area as Duke and UNC, but without any of the publicity. All three schools are within 15 miles of each other, but NCS is the ugly stepchild, and always will be.

Duke used to be the ugly stepchild until Mike Krzyzewski arrived.

[GoMuskies]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

[pimpinthebox]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

God, I hope the Dayton fans are reading this. Swampy Meadows would punch you right in the throat for that take.

[XU 87]

Duke used to be the ugly stepchild until Mike Krzyzewski arrived.

Duke, led by several future NBA players, went to the NCAA finals in 1978. Coach K got there in 1980.

[Juice]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

They've dealt with bad injury and player discipline issues which has resulted in a short bench in a lot of his seasons there.

[GoMuskies]

They've dealt with bad injury and player discipline issues which has resulted in a short bench in a lot of his seasons there.

And he's done a nice job. But certainly not anything otherworldly. He's got another nice little team this year, too.

[pimpinthebox]

And he's done a nice job. But certainly not anything otherworldly. He's got another nice little team this year, too.

Be real honest with ya. I don't rest easy until both the Bearcats and Flyers are out of the NCAA tournament. I wish them no luck and may God have mercy on their souls.

[AviatorX]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

Following Brian Gregory is a great career move. Just ask Josh Pastner. Maybe next we'll see Tom Crean replace Gregory in his role this year as waterboy/special advisor to Izzo and do a better job.

[paulxu]

I continue to think Archie might take the long look. Williams is 66, K is 70. Archie is 38.
Someday they'll go, and it would seem unlikely those jobs will open up to him. More importantly, after Wooden left, UCLA had one national championship in the next 40 years, and that was 20+ years ago.
It's possible that NC State could compete well with Duke and UNC in the future, and what a challenge.
Return to your alma mater, get big bucks, start to build for the future.

[AviatorX]

I continue to think Archie might take the long look. Williams is 66, K is 70. Archie is 38.
Someday they'll go, and it would seem unlikely those jobs will open up to him. More importantly, after Wooden left, UCLA had one national championship in the next 40 years, and that was 20+ years ago.
It's possible that NC State could compete well with Duke and UNC in the future, and what a challenge.
Return to your alma mater, get big bucks, start to build for the future.

Makes sense on paper, but it seems like everyone in the know is basically screaming Archie has no interest in ever going to NC St.

[pimpinthebox]

Makes sense on paper, but it seems like everyone in the know is basically screaming Archie has no interest in ever going to NC St.

But those same people "in the know" are certainly not claiming that Dayton, OH and the Atlantic 10 is Archie's final resting place. Of course, there are bigger jobs out there not vacant at this time, but at some point, you gotta' make the jump, right?

On a related note, does anyone have a photo of Morgan Miller running track at NC State?

[AviatorX]

But those same people "in the know" are certainly not claiming that Dayton, OH and the Atlantic 10 is Archie's final resting place. Of course, there are bigger jobs out there not vacant at this time, but at some point, you gotta' make the jump, right?

On a related note, does anyone have a photo of Morgan Miller running track at NC State?

Exactly, no one pretending Archie will be at UD for 30 years, but apparently no interest in NC State.

[xudash]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

VD hasn't been as dramatic and lucky as VCU has been, but I'm not sure "dominate" is the right word for what they're doing in the A10. They've had close games against crap A10 teams in what overall is a truly watered down A10 Conference.

Gonzaga owns the WCC. VD and VCU are bumbling their way through a weak A10 line-up.

Otherwise, I agree with your take on Archie. VD would get slaughtered in the Big East, and they certainly wouldn't be where they are in the A10 were Xavier and Temple and Butler still camped out there.

[AviatorX]

VD hasn't been as dramatic and lucky as VCU has been, but I'm not sure "dominate" is the right word for what they're doing in the A10. They've had close games against crap A10 teams in what overall is a truly watered down A10 Conference.

Gonzaga owns the WCC. VD and VCU are bumbling their way through a weak A10 line-up.

Otherwise, I agree with your take on Archie. VD would get slaughtered in the Big East, and they certainly wouldn't be where they are in the A10 were Xavier and Temple and Butler still camped out there.

Ehhhh idk about that one. Sure Xavier took them to the woodshed last year, but they did pick off Providence in the tournament fairly easily the year before that. I think Archie's version of UD would be a middle of the pack BE team similar to Providence has been so far.

[GoMuskies]

They'd probably be where Seton Hall is if they were in the Big East this year.

[AviatorX]

They'd probably be where Seton Hall is if they were in the Big East this year.

Yeah that's probably better. I was reluctant to use that comparison because SHU won at MSG last year but I guess Providence won the first year.

Rooting against Dayton is hilarious and I'm all for it, but they actually have a really solid core group of guys, good coaching, and a tough home court. Question is if Archie can roll over the roster and sustain the success.

[X-band '01]

Duke, led by several future NBA players, went to the NCAA finals in 1978. Coach K got there in 1980.

There were a few NCAA Tournament teams in the late 70s, but there were some pretty awful teams in the mid-70s (when NC State had an undefeated season) and early 80s.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah that's probably better. I was reluctant to use that comparison because SHU won at MSG last year but I guess Providence won the first year.


Yeah, they haven't had a team as good as last year's SH in a while, but this year Dayton and this year Seton Hall are comparable. Last year Dayton was probably more like last year Butler.

[xubrew]

I'm personally not feeling the same Archie love that others are. I think he's done a nice job at Dayton, but they've not really had a team reach a level higher than pretty good. Even the Elite Eight team (great run in March) was an 11 seed. He's been consistent, which Dayton has sorely lacked over the years, but I don't think he's significantly elevated the program. He's just managed to do what Dayton SHOULD do in the new A-10, and that's generally dominate middling to bad competition.

I agree with this.

I think Archie Miller is a good coach, but any decent coach should be able to win at Dayton. They don't even have to be good. Just decent. Oliver Purnell, who is decent but not great, had Dayton ranked in the top 25 and got a #4 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Their facilities and resources double most of the rest of the conference. Brian Gregory was a hilariously bad bench coach who was routinely outperformed by schools that had half of what UD had, yet they never made a change.

Archie Miller or Dave Paulsen?? Paulsen walked into a mess at Bucknell, and then finished in first place four times in five years and made two NCAA Tournaments. He then walked into an even bigger mess at George Mason, and in his second year is on the brink of winning twenty games and will most likely make the NIT.

Archie Miller or Earl Grant?? Things were a little out of sorts at College of Charleston. That's what happens when your coach sucks and then gets fired for abusing his players. Now they're a conference frontrunner.

Just imagine how god either one of those guys would be doing if they were suddenly given all of Dayton's money and resources and were competing against the rest of the A10 who barely has half if that (if that).

Archie Miller is a good coach, but he didn't really fix anything that was extremely broken or clean up a huge mess. He just took what was there and started using it appropriately. His predecessor didn't even qualify as a decent coach and wasn't even capable of doing that. Anybody that Dayton gets should be able to win there.

[X-band '01]

I agree with this.

I think Archie Miller is a good coach, but any decent coach should be able to win at Dayton. They don't even have to be good. Just decent. Oliver Purnell, who is decent but not great, had Dayton ranked in the top 25 and got a #4 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Their facilities and resources double most of the rest of the conference. Brian Gregory was a hilariously bad bench coach who was routinely outperformed by schools that had half of what UD had, yet they never made a change.

Archie Miller or Dave Paulsen?? Paulsen walked into a mess at Bucknell, and then finished in first place four times in five years and made two NCAA Tournaments. He then walked into an even bigger mess at George Mason, and in his second year is on the brink of winning twenty games and will most likely make the NIT.

Archie Miller or Earl Grant?? Things were a little out of sorts at College of Charleston. That's what happens when your coach sucks and then gets fired for abusing his players. Now they're a conference frontrunner.

Just imagine how god either one of those guys would be doing if they were suddenly given all of Dayton's money and resources and were competing against the rest of the A10 who barely has half if that (if that).

Archie Miller is a good coach, but he didn't really fix anything that was extremely broken or clean up a huge mess. He just took what was there and started using it appropriately. His predecessor didn't even qualify as a decent coach and wasn't even capable of doing that. Anybody that Dayton gets should be able to win there.

Anybody not named Jim O'Brien, anyway.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=X

I miss Jim O'Brien and his recruits who came from Centerville High School and Kettering Alter.

[xubrew]

Ohio State needs to hire Chris Holtmann. Please get him out of Butler.

[SM#24]

Be real honest with ya. I don't rest easy until both the Bearcats and Flyers are out of the NCAA tournament. I wish them no luck and may God have mercy on their souls.
I don't even wish them God's mercy

[usfldan]

It's that time of year friends (though it seems early).


NC State: Gottfried (Out)
USF: Antigua (Out)

Add Kim Anderson at Missouri to the list:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/missouri-forces-kim-anderson-to-resign-after-three-straight-losing-seasons/

[X-band '01]

Tony Benford - North Texas would be the 4th addition.

[GoMuskies]

Add Kim Anderson at Missouri to the list:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/missouri-forces-kim-anderson-to-resign-after-three-straight-losing-seasons/

Gregg Marshall was asked about Mizzou in his post game presser today and didn't exactly shoot it down. I hope he doesn't end up there. Nothing against Mizzou, but I would find that a boring destination for him.

[Masterofreality]

Ehhhh idk about that one. Sure Xavier took them to the woodshed last year, but they did pick off Providence in the tournament fairly easily the year before that. I think Archie's version of UD would be a middle of the pack BE team similar to Providence has been so far.

Archie and VD were lucky that Jordan Sibert decided to transfer from Oh-ho-ho State. He basically saved that program for 2 years by standing on his head. This year the only guy saving them from oblivion in a abjectly terrible A10 is Scoochie Smith. He's gone after this year. If the Cryrers had an injury happen to their one main guy any of those years- ala Ed Sumner- they would have tanked big time in a league like the Big East because they have no backup like X does with Tre, for example.

Those red sweater wearing cretins can keep kidding themselves that they're relevant because of their First Four hosting and their attendance, but they are a blip on the radar. Please, never, anyone speak of letting them in the Big East club. Let them continue to wallow in the pig slop of the Awful 10.

[STL_XUfan]

Gregg Marshall was asked about Mizzou in his post game presser today and didn't exactly shoot it down. I hope he doesn't end up there. Nothing against Mizzou, but I would find that a boring destination for him.

Hates kansas: ✔️

His credentials check out.

[Muskie]

Gregg Marshall was asked about Mizzou in his post game presser today and didn't exactly shoot it down. I hope he doesn't end up there. Nothing against Mizzou, but I would find that a boring destination for him. Last time around Missouri was unable to lure the big names (hell even Matt Painter turned them down). I don't see them as a contender for Gregg Marshall. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Masterofreality]

Add Kim Anderson at Missouri to the list:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/missouri-forces-kim-anderson-to-resign-after-three-straight-losing-seasons/

And well deserved. Missouri should be a lot better than horrible.

[AviatorX]

Last time around Missouri was unable to lure the big names (hell even Matt Painter turned them down). I don't see them as a contender for Gregg Marshall. But maybe I'm wrong.

Tom Crean rumored to be heavily in the mix at Mizzou. Also saw Cuonzo Martin and Holtmann mentioned.

I think Mizzou is actually among the best in that tier of power conference jobs. Great facilities and within a few years no reason the right guy can't have them running consistently top 3 in a weak SEC.

[Masterofreality]

Tom Crean rumored to be heavily in the mix at Mizzou. Also saw Cuonzo Martin and Holtmann mentioned.

I think Mizzou is actually among the best in that tier of power conference jobs. Great facilities and within a few years no reason the right guy can't have them running consistently top 3 in a weak SEC.

This is funny, because you may be right Aviator. I would love to see another program get Creaned.

[AviatorX]

This is funny, because you may be right Aviator. I would love to see another program get Creaned.

It would be an ideal end to the saga at IU assuming Fred Glass doesn't screw up the hire (Alford). Crean could have Mizzou competitive again I think, it's the next step and consistency that seem to puzzle him. His teams are maddening to watch.

[bleedXblue]

It would be an ideal end to the saga at IU assuming Fred Glass doesn't screw up the hire (Alford). Crean could have Mizzou competitive again I think, it's the next step and consistency that seem to puzzle him. His teams are maddening to watch.

Alford would be CRAZY to leave UCLA for IU.

[AviatorX]

Alford would be CRAZY to leave UCLA for IU.

Eh, why do you think so? IMO the guy can't really coach and while he has a good class coming in (headlined by an Indy kid so ya never know if he jumped) he is basically gonna lose his entire team.

He is an offensive genius with Lonzo Ball at the helm, I'll give him that.

I've heard he would be interested. There are a lot of soft factors in the mix there, and IU is a really good job.

[Masterofreality]

Eh, why do you think so? IMO the guy can't really coach and while he has a good class coming in (headlined by an Indy kid so ya never know if he jumped) he is basically gonna lose his entire team.

He is an offensive genius with Lonzo Ball at the helm, I'll give him that.

I've heard he would be interested. There are a lot of soft factors in the mix there, and IU is a really good job.

Plus UCLA has a gaudy record against an incredibly weak schedule. Their OOC was 253rd ranked and the Pac 12 is not overly strong. Forget their poll ranking at 3. It's BS. If I'm Alford, I'm catching the next train out before the Grim Reaper appears next year.

[Juice]

Plus UCLA has a gaudy record against an incredibly weak schedule. Their OOC was 253rd ranked and the Pac 12 is not overly strong. Forget their poll ranking at 3. It's BS. If I'm Alford, I'm catching the next train out before the Grim Reaper appears next year.

Don't tell that to ESPN guys who only point to their UK non-conf win, which is a good win, but also a very narrow way to look at things.

[drudy23]

At the same time, they're more than capable of winning the title.

[bleedXblue]

Eh, why do you think so? IMO the guy can't really coach and while he has a good class coming in (headlined by an Indy kid so ya never know if he jumped) he is basically gonna lose his entire team.

He is an offensive genius with Lonzo Ball at the helm, I'll give him that.

I've heard he would be interested. There are a lot of soft factors in the mix there, and IU is a really good job.

Los Angeles or Bloomington for one?

IU, IMHO is a good job, but I think their fan base has ridiculously high expectations. Alford would be EXPECTED to return them to a place where I don't think the can consistently be anymore. The college game is so much different than where it was 20 years ago. They haven't won a title in 30 years.

[AviatorX]

Los Angeles or Bloomington for one?

IU, IMHO is a good job, but I think their fan base has ridiculously high expectations. Alford would be EXPECTED to return them to a place where I don't think the can consistently be anymore. The college game is so much different than where it was 20 years ago. They haven't won a title in 30 years.

Yeah, but you could write a pretty similar description for UCLA honestly. Also disagree that IU can't be at that place consistently, all it takes is the right hire and the talent will come. Even Crean, who is almost universally panned for his X's and O's, had IU at #1 for a while there. You're right that it's not going to happen with Bobby's motion offense and 5 Indiana Mr. Basketball's though, which won't be enough for some of the fanbase.

Alford is an Indiana guy, so I don't think it's crazy he might prefer it to LA.

I hope you are right though. Let him stay out there. I think the problem for Steve in this situation might be the interest on IU's end, to be honest.

[Xville]

It would be an ideal end to the saga at IU assuming Fred Glass doesn't screw up the hire (Alford). Crean could have Mizzou competitive again I think, it's the next step and consistency that seem to puzzle him. His teams are maddening to watch.

Missouri has been thru enough in the past 10 years. They don't deserve another awful coach. As a Mizzou fan, I'd basically take anyone but Crean. I doubt Marshall is realistic, but I think Martin is and he would be a great fit.

[AviatorX]

Missouri has been thru enough in the past 10 years. They don't deserve another awful coach. As a Mizzou fan, I'd basically take anyone but Crean. I doubt Marshall is realistic, but I think Martin is and he would be a great fit.

I hear you but I just don't see Crean as a horrible coach. He's not going to make IU great again but he did build some really good teams and recruited 3 guys who were top 10 picks and has another first rounder in OG. I don't understand the entire coaching industry's love affair with Cuanzo to be honest.

[Xville]

I hear you but I just don't see Crean as a horrible coach. He's not going to make IU great again but he did build some really good teams and recruited 3 guys who were top 10 picks and has another first rounder in OG. I don't understand the entire coaching industry's love affair with Cuanzo to be honest.

Understood. I like Cuonzo for Missouri since he is a St. Louis native that's basically what it comes down to for me. Missouri needs those relationships back terribly. Plus, he does have a respectable record of going to the tourney.

Crean I think is a decent recruiter but it's Indiana really how hard is it to recruit there with all the talent in indy? I can't stand his smugness and think he has gotten a ton of mileage of having Dwayne Wade at Marquette.

[bleedXblue]

Crean has had so many recruiting snafu's and guys the ended up transferring out of the program or leaving for various reasons. Hard to build anything with that much turnover.

[STL_XUfan]

Understood. I like Cuonzo for Missouri since he is a St. Louis native that's basically what it comes down to for me. Missouri needs those relationships back terribly. Plus, he does have a respectable record of going to the tourney.

Crean I think is a decent recruiter but it's Indiana really how hard is it to recruit there with all the talent in indy? I can't stand his smugness and think he has gotten a ton of mileage of having Dwayne Wade at Marquette.

Wasn't this the justification for hiring Anderson? Let's hire the best coach we can, Missouri ties be damned.

[Xville]

Wasn't this the justification for hiring Anderson? Let's hire the best coach we can, Missouri ties be damned.

Yes it was but unlike Anderson, Martin has d1 experience and knows the recruiting landscape. I think Anderson knew how to teach to a certain extent, but he had no freaking clue how to recruit on the d1 level. I don't see Martin as a homerun hire by any means, but I don't know who else is out there that Missouri can get. Id like for Missouri to reach high, but in the past, Missouri has tried to get by on the cheap which is a reason for the position they are in right now.

[xubrew]

I thought Kim Anderson was a good hire. I have always said that div2 is one of the great untapped/rarely tapped sources for good coaches. In this case I was wrong. I was very very very wrong.

[AviatorX]

I thought Kim Anderson was a good hire. I have always said that div2 is one of the great untapped/rarely tapped sources for good coaches. In this case I was wrong. I was very very very wrong.

What about NAIA Division II? Because unfortunately I am not joking that more than a few online IU fans have thrown Greg Tonagel of Indiana Wesleyan into the discussion.

http://www.iwuwildcats.com/coach/0/6.php

[JTG]

Crean I think is a decent recruiter but it's Indiana really how hard is it to recruit there with all the talent in indy? I can't stand his smugness and think he has gotten a ton of mileage of having Dwayne Wade at Marquette.[/QUOTE]

Evidently it's very hard for Crean to recruit in Indy, because the best players the last 4 years have opted for UK, UCLA, BUTLER, and X. None of the top Indy guys have gone to IU.

[gladdenguy]

Thad Matta sticking around at Ohio State.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/coaching-carousel-washington-to-retain-lorenzo-romar-thad-matta-to-return-at-ohio-state-032351523.html

[AviatorX]

Crean I think is a decent recruiter but it's Indiana really how hard is it to recruit there with all the talent in indy? I can't stand his smugness and think he has gotten a ton of mileage of having Dwayne Wade at Marquette.

Evidently it's very hard for Crean to recruit in Indy, because the best players the last 4 years have opted for UK, UCLA, BUTLER, and X. None of the top Indy guys have gone to IU.[/QUOTE]

True, but he did get Zeller, Yogi, James Blackmon and had Trey Lyles committed before Calipari came calling. Also has recruited well nationally specifically in the DMV and Missouri of late. Talent definitely isn't the problem.

[X-band '01]

Thad Matta sticking around at Ohio State.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/coaching-carousel-washington-to-retain-lorenzo-romar-thad-matta-to-return-at-ohio-state-032351523.html

Is anyone really going to be shocked if OSU loses their Big Ten opener to Rutgers?

[Muskie]

updated.

[outsideobserver11]

Brian Gregory to USF...

[Muskie]

Brian Gregory to USF... Championship Caliber move if I've ever seen one.

[X-band '01]

Shouldn't that be that an NCAA punishment to have to coach at South Florida?

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Shouldn't that be that an NCAA punishment to have to coach at South Florida?

Shouldn't it be an NCAA punishment to have Brian Gregory as your coach?

[X-band '01]

Considering that South Florida is under investigation for academic fraud, maybe the punishment is sufficient here?

[Juice]

Brian Gregory to USF...

This is awesome. Now UC will continue to have a 250+ team in their conference a few more years with BG at the helm.

[XU 87]

The rumor is that USF wanted Gregory because he has demonstrated through his recruitment of London Warren that he has extensive recruiting roots in Jacksonville. Apparently the school issued a statement that read, "Any coach who can steal a recruit from Jacksonville (the college not the NFL team), is a coach we want."

[joe titan]

One could see Pat Kelsey at Miami, even Duquesne or UMASS.

[GoMuskies]

Is Miami a better job than Winthrop anymore?

[Juice]

Is Miami a better job than Winthrop anymore?

No way. And I say this as a Miami grad.

[XU 87]

One could see Pat Kelsey at Miami, even Duquesne or UMASS.

Why would he even look at one of those lousy jobs?

Kelsey's next job is gong to be at high paying Big 6 school.

[GoMuskies]

I actually think UMass could be a pretty great gig. You can win there, and they'll pay. Plus, that area of Massachusetts beats the hell out of Rock Hill, SC.

[joe titan]

Well let's see if you're Miami AD/ Board & you need a younger coach who can re-build your program, can recruit in the region. Pay him $400 - $500 K. I'd say Kelsey jumps at chance to come back. He has kids from Turpin & Sycamore now. Overall Miami may not be better than Winthrop but may be better for Kelsey. Obviously, he will not last too long at Winthrop.

[xu82]

I actually think UMass could be a pretty great gig. You can win there, and they'll pay. Plus, that area of Massachusetts beats the hell out of Rock Hill, SC.


HEY!!! My wife is from Rock Hill! We go there all the time!


(You may be on to something, I remember it was a big deal when they got an O'Charlie's.)

[AviatorX]

I actually think UMass could be a pretty great gig. You can win there, and they'll pay. Plus, that area of Massachusetts beats the hell out of Rock Hill, SC.

Miami is a good job to take at this point if you want your head coaching career to be over in 4-5 years. Going to be even harder if NKU starts keeping that second/third tier of kids "local."

[muskiefan82]

I would much rather play at BB&T than Millett Hall.

[X-band '01]

Between basketball, football and hockey, folks at Miami seem to think they can only be good at one sport at a time.

[muskiefan82]

Football was AAC respectable after their first six games.

[Juice]

Between basketball, football and hockey, folks at Miami seem to think they can only be good at one sport at a time.

They went to a bowl game this year and still finished 6-7. The hockey team sucked and the basketball team was pathetic. At this point I'll take even one mediocre team. But honestly, the administration has their heads up theirs asses up there and it's not just sports.

[paulxu]

I actually think UMass could be a pretty great gig. You can win there, and they'll pay. Plus, that area of Massachusetts beats the hell out of Rock Hill, SC.

Says the guy living in Wichita....

[GoMuskies]

Says the guy living in Wichita....

What does living in Wichita have to do with my ability to compare Rock Hill, SC to Amherst, MA? Having lived in Charlotte and Boston, I've actually spent enough time in both of those places to make an educated comparison. Rock Hill, SC is okay. Western Mass is fantastic.

[paulxu]

Massachusetts

http://www.fistofblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/snowbank.jpg

South Carolina

https://0.s3.envato.com/files/104882586/Girl%20on%20Easy%20Chair%20on%20Beach%202%20previe w%20image.jpg

[GoMuskies]

Rock Hill, SC is a long ass way from the beach.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Massachusetts

http://www.fistofblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/snowbank.jpg

South Carolina

https://0.s3.envato.com/files/104882586/Girl%20on%20Easy%20Chair%20on%20Beach%202%20previe w%20image.jpg

I take no issue with that comparison, though it doesn't address the inherent differences in the people that live there.

[GoMuskies]

I take no issue with that comparison, though it doesn't address the inherent differences in the people that live there.

Fair point. People in South Carolina are, in general, much nicer than your average Masshole.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fair point. People in South Carolina are, in general, much nicer than your average Masshole.

Maybe bcuz they're all full of bourbon most of the time.

[waggy]

The UMass AD has made the job search a little too public imo. Though I got my info reading the old A10 board, so it could suspect.

[xu82]

Maybe bcuz they're all full of bourbon most of the time.

Define "full" and "most", please.

[paulxu]

Rock Hill, SC is a long ass way from the beach.

Good point; although they are a lot closer than Kansas.


Maybe bcuz they're all full of bourbon most of the time.

I'll drink to that. Just had a Makers at Dana's yesterday.

[xu82]

Does Dana's have a Spartanburg franchise now? I could frequent that more easily.

[Lamont Sanford]

Cuonzo Martin to Mizzou for $21M over 7 years and now it appears he is getting the #1 recruit in the country (Michael Porter Jr) to join him in Columbia. Doesn't hurt that he hired the kid's old man who was formerly an assistantt to recently fired Lorenzo Romar at University of Washington where Porter jr was committed.

[bleedXblue]

Cuonzo Martin to Mizzou for $21M over 7 years and now it appears he is getting the #1 recruit in the country (Michael Porter Jr) to join him in Columbia. Doesn't hurt that he hired the kid's old man who was formerly an assistantt to recently fired Lorenzo Romar at University of Washington where Porter jr was committed.

Just seems wrong to hire a family member to secure a recruit. I can't believe that the NCAA hasn't figured this one out.

[paulxu]

Just seems wrong to hire a family member to secure a recruit. I can't believe that the NCAA hasn't figured this one out.

Surely you jest.

[bleedXblue]

Surely you jest.

yeah LOL

[Lamont Sanford]

Just seems wrong to hire a family member to secure a recruit. I can't believe that the NCAA hasn't figured this one out.

See Harbaugh, Jim (Michigan football coach). He hired a recruit's mom to a made up position to get her son to sign.

This happens all the time in both football and especially basketball. How do you think Billy Garrett Jr. ended up at DePaul?!?

[MHettel]

Romar had to go at UW. His recruiting has been top notch, and he has had various one-and-done talent, including having Porter and his brother lined up for next year and beyond. but's he's horrendous at the X&O part of the game.

What about Cal being open again. What kind of interest could Cal or UW get?

And, is GTown going to keep JTIII for another year? I think GTown is a sleeping giant. I could see them landing a BIG name guy (Few?) and that train could be on the rails immediately.

[GoMuskies]

Why would Few go to Georgetown?

[Masterofreality]

Just seems wrong to hire a family member to secure a recruit. I can't believe that the NCAA hasn't figured this one out.

Yeah, kind like Oilver hiring Billy Garrett Sr. At DePuke. :rolleyes:

[BMoreX]

Crean out at IU.

[paulxu]

Crean out at IU.

Moral of this story...don't lose in the first round of the NIT.

[Masterofreality]

Crean out at IU.

Was just going to post that. Ha!! Good thing he got that 7 year initial contract.

Bye Bye Tommy. Have fun at Winthrop.

[Juice]

Was just going to post that. Ha!! Good thing he got that 7 year initial contract.

Bye Bye Tommy. Have fun at Winthrop.

I don't think he drops that far. I almost see a Bruce Weber like turnaround for him. I'm not a Crean apologist by any means but in his 7 years he did win the Big Ten twice and went to the Sweet 16 three times. That's obviously not good enough at IU but it's not terrible.

[KabeX]

Well that timing just sucks for Crean. I mean So. Fla just filled their open coaching position.

[AviatorX]

I don't think he drops that far. I almost see a Bruce Weber like turnaround for him. I'm not a Crean apologist by any means but in his 7 years he did win the Big Ten twice and went to the Sweet 16 three times. That's obviously not good enough at IU but it's not terrible.

Yeah, I get why people don't like Crean because of his personality, demeanor, weirdness, etc. But the guy would be a pretty solid to great hire for a large number of programs. He has an obvious knack for identifying and developing talent and is an offensive genius.

Edit: I think Mack will get some real traction on this one.

[xu82]

LEAVE US OUT OF IT!



Thank you.

[GoMuskies]

Crean to Washington, NC State. LSU or some other such shitty job (that will pay him $2 million a year - wish I could get a similarly shitty job!).

[X-band '01]

Moral of this story...don't lose in the first round of the NIT.

It was a bad sign when they moved their NIT opener to Georgia Tech. If that wasn't telling of how toxic the atmosphere was at IU, nothing else can.

[GoMuskies]

Kevin Keatts is about 24 minutes away from getting the NC State job.

[paulxu]

If UNC Wilmington upsets UVA, Keatts will be going somewhere.

Hmmm...Go beats me to the punch.

[KabeX]

Let's make this easy. Crean and Archie swap jobs. Done!

[MHettel]

Why would Few go to Georgetown?

Because it's a sleeping giant.

[GoMuskies]

Because it's a sleeping giant.

Ok, but he's already coaching a real, live fully awake giant.

[BMoreX]

Wow Brad Underwood to Illinois

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow Brad Underwood to Illinois

That was a quick stop in Stillwater. Good hire for Illinois.

[bigdiggins]

Coach in waiting Mike Hopkins got tired of waiting on Boeheim and takes the Washington job.

[X-band '01]

Syracuse fans have to be relieved that Washington took Hopkins off of their hands.

[X-band '01]

And now Will Wade is leaving VCU to take - LSU?

I get Shaka Smart leaving for Texas, but their fanbase cannot be happy if a bad LSU job is more desirable than their situation right now.

[GIMMFD]

And now Will Wade is leaving VCU to take - LSU?

I get Shaka Smart leaving for Texas, but their fanbase cannot be happy if a bad LSU job is more desirable than their situation right now.

Maybe money talks? Who knows the reasons for taking LSU, they've hit some good recruits, who knows maybe he can make them decent and tournament worthy?

[XUFan09]

It's good money, and it's in a major conference that is less competitive than some others. The potential to rise to the top of the conference is significant if a coach actually has some talent.

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[XUMIOH12]

huge loss for VCU, obviously. Curious to see who they get in there to replace Wade.

[Juice]

huge loss for VCU, obviously. Curious to see who they get in there to replace Wade.

One of the writers on twitter suggested Rice's coachMike Rhoades. I guess he was a candidate after Shaka left and he was an assistant at VCU for 5 years.

[ArcherXU]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18977048/doug-gottlieb-interview-oklahoma-state-cowboys-coaching-vacancy

Is there any way this happens? Gottlieb drives me crazy so this would be a win for me not having him on tv anymore,especially if he's moving over to fox!

[xudash]

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18977048/doug-gottlieb-interview-oklahoma-state-cowboys-coaching-vacancy

Is there any way this happens? Gottlieb drives me crazy so this would be a win for me not having him on tv anymore,especially if he's moving over to fox!

Yes, if they give him a "corporate" credit card.

[drudy23]

Syracuse fans have to be relieved that Washington took Hopkins off of their hands.

Why? That just means more Boeheim.

Is there anyone in the world who likes Boeheim...I'd think his act has gotten pretty annoying in Syracuse too.

[xu82]

Why? That just means more Boeheim.

Is there anyone in the world who likes Boeheim...I'd think his act has gotten pretty annoying in Syracuse too.

Do you want to do this one at a time? I don't like him at all!

[GoMuskies]

Why? That just means more Boeheim.

Is there anyone in the world who likes Boeheim...I'd think his act has gotten pretty annoying in Syracuse too.

I think Syracuse fans still like him plenty. They sucked out loud this year, but they were in the Final Four last year.

[X-band '01]

Why? That just means more Boeheim.

Is there anyone in the world who likes Boeheim...I'd think his act has gotten pretty annoying in Syracuse too.

You're forgetting just how mediocre Syracuse was when Hopkins was in charge for 9 games last year. Had Boeheim not been absent for those losses, there was a good chance Syracuse would have missed the NCAA Tournament last year as well.

[BMoreX]

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Unconfirmed reports that John Thompson III will NOT return as Georgetown's head coach next season. Working to verify...

[Muskie]

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Unconfirmed reports that John Thompson III will NOT return as Georgetown's head coach next season. Working to verify... Tom Crean to Georgetown. X and Marquette Fans will have field day with that guy in the sidelines. If it happens.

[Muskie]

Updated. Reminder that Blue represents coaching opportunities that are of special interest to X fans.

[XU 87]

Casual Hoya‏ @CasualHoya 33m33 minutes ago
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Unconfirmed reports that John Thompson III will NOT return as Georgetown's head coach next season. Working to verify...

It is now confirmed.

[GoMuskies]

The statement from Georgetown's president makes pretty clear that the decision came from over his head. Wow.

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/844972002058342400/photo/1

[X-band '01]

One of the writers on twitter suggested Rice's coachMike Rhoades. I guess he was a candidate after Shaka left and he was an assistant at VCU for 5 years.

Mike Rhoades did take the VCU job, so that can be added to the thread as well.

[Muskie]

Mike Rhoades did take the VCU job, so that can be added to the thread as well. Added. Sorry, I thought I put him up last night.

[xubrew]

The statement from Georgetown's president makes pretty clear that the decision came from over his head. Wow.

https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/844972002058342400/photo/1

Interesting.

[BMoreX]

UMass' press conference to introduce Pat Kelsey was cancelled due to "unforeseen circumstances."

Tin foil hat me says maybe Georgetown reached out to Kelsey?

[GoMuskies]

Kelsey changed his mind and went back to Winthrop? It's happened before. Marshall took the College of Charleston job before changing his mind and going back.

[BMoreX]

Official. Not coaching at UMASS. Already changed his twitter bio, photo, and header.

[GoMuskies]

Back to Winthrop?

[LA Muskie]

Why? That just means more Boeheim.

Is there anyone in the world who likes Boeheim...I'd think his act has gotten pretty annoying in Syracuse too.

No. No one who knows Boeheim likes him. Even 'Cuse fans. He's been a necessary asshole for like 4 million years.


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[LA Muskie]

I think Syracuse fans still like him plenty. They sucked out loud this year, but they were in the Final Four last year.

Fans who have never met him are fine with him. No one who has ever met him likes him. No one.


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[LA Muskie]

Tom Crean to Georgetown. X and Marquette Fans will have field day with that guy in the sidelines. If it happens.

I would be very surprised if GTown hires Crean. He doesn't fit the culture at all.


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[bleedXblue]

I would be very surprised if GTown hires Crean. He doesn't fit the culture at all.


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me too Crean is a shill

[OTRMUSKIE]

Steve Alford just said he is 100% staying at UCLA. so it's coming down to miller and Mack

[OTRMUSKIE]

Just read on IU board that an announcement is coming tomorrow and that Archie Miller will be named head coach. Some think it will be Billy D.

[AviatorX]

Steve Alford just said he is 100% staying at UCLA. so it's coming down to miller and Mack

Haven't heard much about Miller/IU to be honest. Starting to seem pretty clear Mack is at the top of the list with Alford out.

Let's go get a god damn final four before we worry more about this shit.

[LA Muskie]

I sure as hell hope there's an announcement tomorrow. Because if there is, it ain't Mack.


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[OTRMUSKIE]

Archie is going to IU. Mack is too busy taking x to the final 4!!!!!!! I wish we could just fast forward the game and see the end. I can't handle this shit much longer, too intense.

[Masterofreality]

Anybody really believe Alford?

[OTRMUSKIE]

The guys lied everywhere he goes. Can you really trust a guy who,still feathers his hair?

[AviatorX]

Anybody really believe Alford?

Have it on pretty solid ground that Alford is 100% out. Not sure but my guess is IU told him that. Which is good because Alford is a scumbag and a poor coach.

A month ago, I was convinced Mack would take IU in a second, now I have no idea. I really think we can be playing for a god damn championship in 10 days.

[OTRMUSKIE]

We are def going to the NC no doubt about it. With that said Indiana coaching job will be announced today. Per IU board this morning it has been leaked that IU will make a choice sometime today. Archie has been seen in Bloomington but so has Billy D and some think it will be Tony Bennett. My gut says it's Archie. It will be over with today though

[JTG]

Have it on pretty solid ground that Alford is 100% out. Not sure but my guess is IU told him that. Which is good because Alford is a scumbag and a poor coach.

A month ago, I was convinced Mack would take IU in a second, now I have no idea. I really think we can be playing for a god damn championship in 10 days.

I dont care if Alford's a scumbag and goes to IU. Fuck IU. Leave Mack alone. If IU never went to the dance again it wouldn't bother me.

[AviatorX]

We are def going to the NC no doubt about it. With that said Indiana coaching job will be announced today. Per IU board this morning it has been leaked that IU will make a choice sometime today. Archie has been seen in Bloomington but so has Billy D and some think it will be Tony Bennett. My gut says it's Archie. It will be over with today though

Any announcement today is good news for X. Apparently today is now circulating on the IU Rivals board. The Scout guys are the most reliable, but they have gone dark, which can mean something is going down. They also got scooped on the Crean dismissal FWIW.

[AviatorX]

Woj bomb:

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/845671052055334916

[Musketeer_15]

Adrian Woj reporting that Archie Miller is in serious talks to become next IU coach. Someone go check the UD message boards! :popcorn:

[BMoreX]

Looking official now. Multiple people reporting.

[XU 87]

Looking official now. Multiple people reporting.

I keep reading "they are close but not finalized."

[paulxu]

Pulling a Shaka (which anyone would do in a heartbeat).
But I just don't get it. IU is one historic job/place. One of the Elites.
Archie may be a good coach; but has not put together any sort of sustained track record.
Road a transfer to a magical E8, but then is sliding back to one-and-done in the tournaments...just like Shaka.
Crazy pick if you ask me.

[zanesxu]

Just came through as official on bleacher report. Good on all fronts. Screw UD. And, another Miller Boy who leaves Ohio who we will beat to a final four...

[bobbiemcgee]

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/03/25/indiana-to-hire-dayton-head-coach-archie-miller/

[OTRMUSKIE]

Archie to a awful dayton program and got them to the elite 8. That says to me you're the greatest coach ever.

[OTRMUSKIE]

VD fans will be hating life even more after X wins tonight. They have to be in shock! How could a coach leave such a prestigious program with all the resources you need and the incredible fan base? BECAUSE YOURE DAYTON THATS WHY!!! Love it love it love it. Indiana just got one hell of a coach. Good luck Archie

[GoMuskies]

Pulling a Shaka (which anyone would do in a heartbeat).
But I just don't get it. IU is one historic job/place. One of the Elites.
Archie may be a good coach; but has not put together any sort of sustained track record.
Road a transfer to a magical E8, but then is sliding back to one-and-done in the tournaments...just like Shaka.
Crazy pick if you ask me.

Yeah, I find Archie to be kind of a blah pick. I'm sure he'll be fine. Almost as good as Crean. Almost.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Which ugggggh does that mean kelsey to VD? That would kill me

[bobbiemcgee]

UD top recruit:

McKinley Wright' Official Twitter:

"what could've been......what should've been.....lost for words"

And so it begins...

[BMoreX]

Great start to the day folks

[OTRMUSKIE]

I think Archie turns IU around. He has coaching in his blood and he isn't a dbag like crean.

[Masterofreality]

And there it is. Norlander is never wrong, verifying other reports: Arch to IU

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/reports-indiana-to-hire-daytons-archie-miller-to-replace-tom-crean/

[XU3232]

This is just phenomenal news. Hell of a day so far!

[bobbiemcgee]

I think Archie turns IU around. He has coaching in his blood and he isn't a dbag like crean.

I like the pick. If he can get back the recruits, he should be fine. I think Mack still kicks his butt with Indiana recruits.
UD is in a rough place. Lousy returnees and 78th recruiting class before this. Meltdown mode.

[Masterofreality]

Which ugggggh does that mean kelsey to VD? That would kill me

Get ready for it. It works.

Don't worry. We will NOT play them.

[GoMuskies]

Kels can't leave Winthrop again this offseason. Just can't.

[kmcrawfo]

Great way to start the day.... In a few hours it will be even better!!!

Go X!!!

[OTRMUSKIE]

I want Kelsey to succeed but I love when flyers lose. I really hope it's not Kelsey. Dayton fans seem to like him and it would be a great hire

[Masterofreality]

Kels can't leave Winthrop again this offseason. Just can't.

Ohhhhhh, yes he can. Not saying for sure, but you think that his UMess diss was just by accident?

The Xavier/Miller/Mack triangle is strong. I would be extremely surprised if there were'nt communications flying around over the past few days.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Would Dayton fans really embrace a Ex xavier player? Leave it to X to make other programs better, that's what we do. We share the wealth.

[SM#24]

Would UD consider Steele ?
If we would, why wouldn't they ?

[XU 87]

Would UD consider Steele ?
If we would, why wouldn't they ?

If they hired Steele, they are admitting they are the lesser program, which they don't want to do.

[Blue Blooded-05]

UD top recruit:

McKinley Wright' Official Twitter:

"what could've been......what should've been.....lost for words"

And so it begins...

I can hear it now... "Why drive a beat up Ford Pinto when you can drive a Lexus"

[SM#24]

If they hired Steele, they are admitting they are the lesser program, which they don't want to do.
I thought by hiring Archie, they were already admitting they were little brother.

[xubrew]

Keith Dambrot to Duquesne.

Okay, so Duquesne was turned down by John Becker, James Whitford, King Rice and Dane Fife, but Keith Dambrot took the job. Ummm, wouldn't pretty much everyone agree that Dambrot is perhaps the best out of that group? Why didn't they START with him?

Okay, I'd probably rank King Rice ahead of him, but Dambrot is CERTAINLY better than Whitford and Fife. I mean I know Whitford is doing better at Ball State, but Akron was a consistent frontrunner and was even flirting with the bubble on occasion.

If he was their fifth choice out of that group of five then Duquesne is dumb. They lucked in to what was perhaps the best candidate simply because the weaker candidates turned it down.

[STL_XUfan]

Keith Dambrot to Duquesne.

Okay, so Duquesne was turned down by John Becker, James Whitford, King Rice and Dane Fife, but Keith Dambrot took the job. Ummm, wouldn't pretty much everyone agree that Dambrot is perhaps the best out of that group? Why didn't they START with him?

Okay, I'd probably rank King Rice ahead of him, but Dambrot is CERTAINLY better than Whitford and Fife. I mean I know Whitford is doing better at Ball State, but Akron was a consistent frontrunner and was even flirting with the bubble on occasion.

If he was their fifth choice out of that group of five then Duquesne is dumb. They lucked in to what was perhaps the best candidate simply because the weaker candidates turned it down.

Well other than Mark Titus

[Masterofreality]

Keith Dambrot to Duquesne.

Okay, so Duquesne was turned down by John Becker, James Whitford, King Rice and Dane Fife, but Keith Dambrot took the job. Ummm, wouldn't pretty much everyone agree that Dambrot is perhaps the best out of that group? Why didn't they START with him?

Okay, I'd probably rank King Rice ahead of him, but Dambrot is CERTAINLY better than Whitford and Fife. I mean I know Whitford is doing better at Ball State, but Akron was a consistent frontrunner and was even flirting with the bubble on occasion.

If he was their fifth choice out of that group of five then Duquesne is dumb. They lucked in to what was perhaps the best candidate simply because the weaker candidates turned it down.

Wow. That is shocking to me. I've known of Dambrot since he was a High school coach at Akron SVSM. I always thought he would just stay at Akron because that's who he is- born and raised in Akron. He did have a short tenure at Cental Michigan, that did not go well as he was fired after some controversy, but that was his first D1 coaching job. Once he got a D1 job back, in his home town, I really never thought he'd leave again because of his comfort cocoon. I guess that Dookcane came up with a few bucks and it's a pretty short drive to Akron from Pittsburgh.

Just a surprising deal to me.

[drudy23]

Would only make sense Kelsey and Dayton have mutual interest right?

Or...Brannen to UD and Kelsey to NKU? Interesting thought...

I'd have to think he will eventually want to coach as close as he can to home.

[GoMuskies]

Seriously, Kelsey can't leave Winthrop again this offseason. He's already developing a reputation as a flake.

[xubrew]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Georgetown is completely botching this coaching search??

I don't know anything. I can't get a read on them. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have the feeling that they're really screwing this up.

[drudy23]

If Dayton calls, he would have to listen. Now if they call is another story.

I'm also a cynic when it comes to this stuff...part of me thinks alot of people know how this is going to unfold, and that him being taking back at Winthrop is a cover. I could also be 100% wrong. Can you imagine the various back room conversations with agents and administrators? I would be really interesting to be a fly on the wall.

[GoMuskies]

I've read rumblings about them and Shaka. If that happens, it's a homerun. Every other name I've heard associated with them: potential disaster.

Patrick Ewing is a kind of intriguing choice. He's been coaching a long time, so he should know what he's doing. No idea if he can recruit, though.

[GoMuskies]

I'm also a cynic when it comes to this stuff...part of me thinks alot of people know how this is going to unfold, and that him being taking back at Winthrop is a cover.

I can't imagine Winthrop took him back without him saying some things that are going to make him look like (no, actually be) a complete asshole if he leaves again this offseason.

[AviatorX]

Does anyone else get the feeling that Georgetown is completely botching this coaching search??

I don't know anything. I can't get a read on them. Maybe I'm wrong. I just have the feeling that they're really screwing this up.

Usually a safe bet with the Georgetown program at this point.

[GetUp5]

Seriously, Kelsey can't leave Winthrop again this offseason. He's already developing a reputation as a flake.

Doesn't Kelsey still have the $1M buyout to UMass to deal with?

If that's the case, he must know someone else will be paying it for him... He's making 250k at Winthrop, he obviously can't pay a $1M buyout for a job he took for 12 hours.

[xubrew]

I've read rumblings about them and Shaka. If that happens, it's a homerun. Every other name I've heard associated with them: potential disaster.

Patrick Ewing is a kind of intriguing choice. He's been coaching a long time, so he should know what he's doing. No idea if he can recruit, though.

With the class that Texas has coming in, and the resources that they have, I just can't see leaving there. He got $22 million dollars of guaranteed money over six years. That doesn't include bonuses and incentives. He could not win another game and he'd still walk away with $22 million even if they fired him (from what I understand). I know Georgetown has money, but that's a shitload of money when you talk about matching that and buying it out. The thing about Texas is that they support him. I know the team was bad this year, but they were bad after he kicked the best player off the team. They should be at least NCAA Tournament caliber again next year with what they have coming back and what they have coming in, especially if Tevin Mack is allowed to return. If anything the brass at Texas is feeling good about themselves because they get to say "See, we have principles!" and ACT LIKE they'd be equally supportive had something similar happened with football.

Now with all that being said, Georgetown will probably be announcing Shaka Smart as their head coach by the end of the day.

[xubrew]

Doesn't Kelsey still have the $1M buyout to UMass to deal with?

If that's the case, he must know someone else will be paying it for him... He's making 250k at Winthrop, he obviously can't pay a $1M buyout for a job he took for 12 hours.

I believe UMass opted to waive it. I think. If so then that was nice of them, but the real reason for waiving it is not wanting to have to deal with it as they continue to search for a coach.

[GoMuskies]

Doesn't Kelsey still have the $1M buyout to UMass to deal with?

If that's the case, he must know someone else will be paying it for him... He's making 250k at Winthrop, he obviously can't pay a $1M buyout for a job he took for 12 hours.

He only signed an MOU. Definitely not clear whether the MOU was binding or not. Generally they are not fully binding, but they may have some provisions that ARE binding. So unless it's been waived as 'brew suggests, it's probably a mess for the lawyers to hash out.

Or, it may be perfectly clear on it's face.

[drudy23]

I can't imagine Winthrop took him back without him saying some things that are going to make him look like (no, actually be) a complete asshole if he leaves again this offseason.

Probably true...but coaches do that stuff all the time.

[GoMuskies]

Probably true...but coaches do that stuff all the time.

I don't think a coach has ever left a job, come back and left again in the same offseason.

[GIMMFD]

With the class that Texas has coming in, and the resources that they have, I just can't see leaving there. He got $22 million dollars of guaranteed money over six years. That doesn't include bonuses and incentives. He could not win another game and he'd still walk away with $22 million even if they fired him (from what I understand). I know Georgetown has money, but that's a shitload of money when you talk about matching that and buying it out. The thing about Texas is that they support him. I know the team was bad this year, but they were bad after he kicked the best player off the team. They should be at least NCAA Tournament caliber again next year with what they have coming back and what they have coming in, especially if Tevin Mack is allowed to return. If anything the brass at Texas is feeling good about themselves because they get to say "See, we have principles!" and ACT LIKE they'd be equally supportive had something similar happened with football.

Now with all that being said, Georgetown will probably be announcing Shaka Smart as their head coach by the end of the day.

A similar thing did happen in football, Charlie Strong did the same things Shaka is doing in terms of kicking off bad apples, etc. He just happened to get the axe, which is debatable on whether it was a good move or not. I think when you lose to Kansas in football it's fair.

[xubrew]

A similar thing did happen in football, Charlie Strong did the same things Shaka is doing in terms of kicking off bad apples, etc. He just happened to get the axe, which is debatable on whether it was a good move or not. I think when you lose to Kansas in football it's fair.

Yes, a similar incident, but with a different reaction. Shaka was celebrated for putting his principles above winning (at least for one year). Charlie Strong did the same thing and was shown the door. My point was that Shaka is in a situation that allows them to more easily pretend to have principles. I don't think I explained that very well, and perhaps am still not explaining it well.

[GoMuskies]

If Shaka Smart had lost to Alabama A&M, he might also have been shown the door.

[GIMMFD]

Yes, a similar incident, but with a different reaction. Shaka was celebrated for putting his principles above winning (at least for one year). Charlie Strong did the same thing and was shown the door. My point was that Shaka is in a situation that allows them to more easily pretend to have principles. I don't think I explained that very well, and perhaps am still not explaining it well.

My counter is though what's Shaka doing different from Charlie? He still had loaded classes coming in, everybody thinking this is the year they break through, etc. still had a monster buy-out, the situation almost seemed the same. I think the only two differences was Charlie Strong was never really as loved by the boosters as the Shaka Smart hire was, and that football will always be king.

[GoMuskies]

Shaka has only been there two years, right? Strong was there three. If they suck against next year, Shaka might start to find himself in Strong-land.

[GIMMFD]

Shaka has only been there two years, right? Strong was there three. If they suck against next year, Shaka might start to find himself in Strong-land.

True, and he DID get them in the tournament in his first year, it's not like Texas basketball is supposed to be Texas football. Wonder if he's still in over his head though at a cut-throat type of place like UT.

[xubrew]

If Texas is bad again next year, especially if they're 20+ loss bad, then something is wrong. I agree that one of the things that made this easier to swallow is that Texas was good a year ago, and they're expected to be good again next year. So, this is looked at as an understandable anomaly due to circumstance. If they suck again next year, then things may start to heat up.

But I won't feel too sorry for him. He's getting $22 million no matter what he does.