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XUFan09
03-28-2017, 12:51 PM
Well other than Mark Titus
That was a glorious Twitter development.
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LA Muskie
03-28-2017, 12:59 PM
Doesn't Kelsey still have the $1M buyout to UMass to deal with?
If that's the case, he must know someone else will be paying it for him... He's making 250k at Winthrop, he obviously can't pay a $1M buyout for a job he took for 12 hours.
I've heard they waived it. And even if they didn't, it would be very difficult to enforce that provision in court under the circumstances.
Ohionite_X
03-28-2017, 01:05 PM
That was a glorious Twitter development.
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There might be something behind his grad transfers only method of recruiting. Not something I'd be interested in as an invested fan but as an impartial viewer of what would become reality tv basketball I would watch.
xubrew
03-28-2017, 05:09 PM
Georgetown apparently pursued Mike Brey and Shaka Smart. If you read between the lines of this article, you'll realize that after both of them stopped laughing, they declined.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/georgetown-inquires-about-mike-brey-shaka-smart-but-will-land-neither-as-coach/
X-band '01
03-28-2017, 05:29 PM
My favorite comment was that they offered it to Fred Brown, but he passed. No word on who he would have passed it to.
GIMMFD
03-28-2017, 09:49 PM
I'm weirdly starting to think that Georgetown's best option here is Patrick Ewing, anybody else in that boat? I mean hell, even Chris Mullen got St. John's playing better this year, it's not outlandish to think Georgetown could offer it to him...
D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2017, 09:50 PM
I've read rumblings about them and Shaka. If that happens, it's a homerun. Every other name I've heard associated with them: potential disaster.
Patrick Ewing is a kind of intriguing choice. He's been coaching a long time, so he should know what he's doing. No idea if he can recruit, though.
Patrick Ewing is my favorite NBA player of all time and maybe I would feel differently as a Georgetown fan but I feel like they have to be able to get someone more qualified. Ewing has never been a coach in college and never been a head coach anywhere. Plus he has deep ties with Big John. I would imagine Georgetown doesnt want that again but maybe that is how they made this thing happen with Big John by telling him they would entertain someone he has close ties with? Who knows?
D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2017, 09:55 PM
Patrick Ewing is my favorite NBA player of all time and maybe I would feel differently as a Georgetown fan but I feel like they have to be able to get someone more qualified. Ewing has never been a coach in college and never been a head coach anywhere. Plus he has deep ties with Big John. I would imagine Georgetown doesnt want that again but maybe that is how they made this thing happen with Big John by telling him they would entertain someone he has close ties with? Who knows?
That being said he is probably way more qualified than Chris Mullin was when he was hired so there is that.
bleedXblue
03-29-2017, 05:30 AM
Gtown starting to feel the effects of allowing a coach to stay too long and allowing a former coach to stay way too involved in the program. They need to remove anything related to the Thompson's in order to allow someone to come in and own the program. Without this, you'll only be able to get mid level talent or someone very close to the program like Ewing. No one else wants to deal with the bullshit.
joe titan
03-29-2017, 04:52 PM
Jack Owens to Miami.
Muskie
03-30-2017, 11:31 AM
UD has hired Anthony Grant it appears.
GoMuskies
03-30-2017, 11:38 AM
Not a bad choice for the Flyers. Obviously had some success at VCU. Nothing sexy about the hire, but I think he'll do fine.
X-band '01
03-30-2017, 12:37 PM
Not a bad choice for the Flyers. Obviously had some success at VCU. Nothing sexy about the hire, but I think he'll do fine.
Which means it's a home run for us. They'll be good, but their ceiling isn't going to be very high if they have any delusions of moving to the Big East in the foreseeable future. VCU fans are also very happy with that hire, which may not be a good sign if you're a Dayton fan.
I wonder if Xavier and Dayton renew their series with Grant now running the show up there.
Masterofreality
03-30-2017, 12:59 PM
I wonder if Xavier and Dayton renew their series with Grant now running the show up there.
Nah. Nope. Negatory.
XUMIOH12
03-30-2017, 01:03 PM
Nah. Nope. Negatory.
yeah i'd be very surprised if that were to happen
LA Muskie
03-30-2017, 04:02 PM
UD has hired Anthony Grant it appears.
Not a bad hire at all. But it's horribly unexciting.
Masterofreality
03-30-2017, 04:52 PM
Not a bad hire at all. But it's horribly unexciting.
Average coach recycling. Cut his teeth in a weak CAA and won. Went to Alabama and meh. Only one NCAA in 6 years at Bama. Dayton product (which is NOT a positive) and has never coached in the A10. He might just win because of inertia and the fact that there is NOBODY worth a crap in the league other than maybe Hurley, but I sure will bet on CMack winning an area recruiting battle vs Grant.
I see this as another Brian Gregory/Ollie Purnell settle. udump won't be getting a big spike of donations over this. Let them wallow and suffer.
LA Muskie
03-30-2017, 05:03 PM
Average coach recycling. Cut his teeth in a weak CAA and won. Went to Alabama and meh. Only one NCAA in 6 years at Bama. Dayton product (which is NOT a positive) and has never coached in the A10. He might just win because of inertia and the fact that there is NOBODY worth a crap in the league other than maybe Hurley, but I sure will bet on CMack winning an area recruiting battle vs Grant.
I see this as another Brian Gregory/Ollie Purnell settle. udump won't be getting a big spike of donations over this. Let them wallow and suffer.
I always got the sense Brian Gregory was a big "rising star" hire for Dayton at the time. He wasn't a household name, nor did he have head coaching experience, but he was a white, star, low-major PG who was coming off 5 years with Izzo at MSU with a national championship and 3 final fours under his belt.
It may not have turned out well, but I never got the sense he was a settle. Although admittedly I don't remember who (if anyone) they were after before they got to him.
X-band '01
03-30-2017, 05:04 PM
If he were coaching anywhere in the A-10 outside of Dayton or VCU, I could easily see him becoming Steve Lappas 2.0. I certainly don't see him dragging the program down, but as I alluded to earlier I certainly don't think they have a high ceiling at Dayton right now.
At the same time, what do you guys think of Keith Dambrot at Duquesne? He won consistently in the MAC, yet managed only 3 NCAA Tournament appearances and 0 victories in the Big Dance. I'm just not seeing the Dukes making any jump of significance with him.
GoMuskies
03-30-2017, 05:11 PM
I still can't believe Duquesne fired Ron Everhart. He's about as good as they're ever going to do.
xubrew
03-30-2017, 05:15 PM
I like Dambrot. It'll be interesting to see if he can get things going at Duquesne. It's a lot harder to win there than it is to win at Dayton.
I think Dayton will continue to be what they've been. A typical year will be them as an A10 frontrunner and in the NCAAs in that 7-10 seed range. Anthony Grant is certainly good enough to at least maintain that.
xubrew
03-30-2017, 05:15 PM
I still can't believe Duquesne fired Ron Everhart. He's about as good as they're ever going to do.
I think they've already done better, but by a rather ridiculous set of circumstances. Dambrot is pretty damn good.
ArizonaXUGrad
03-30-2017, 05:29 PM
McCall out of Charleston to UMass for $3.5M of 5 years.
GoMuskies
03-30-2017, 05:29 PM
McCall out of Charleston to UMass for $3.5M of 5 years.
I assume that's $3.5 million total.
Masterofreality
03-30-2017, 05:35 PM
I like Keith Dambrot. I think he'll do well and might get some pretty decent recruits out of Ohio that may have otherwise gone to Cleveland State or MAC schools like Kent State and Akron. He'll probably pull a few Cleveland kids.
The bar is so low in the A10 that he might get the Dukes to be something.
xubrew
03-30-2017, 05:37 PM
McCall out of Charleston to UMass for $3.5M of 5 years.
He's out of Chattanooga.
Earl Grant is the coach at Charleston, and in my opinion is the better of the two.
XU 87
03-30-2017, 05:53 PM
I still can't believe Duquesne fired Ron Everhart. He's about as good as they're ever going to do.
A bad move by our former assistant AD. Everhart at least got them to some respectability and competitiveness that they hadn't seen in about 30 years and haven't seen since.
How bad is the Duquesne job? This same former assistant AD left Duquesne for Quinnipiac.
GoMuskies
03-30-2017, 05:55 PM
How bad is the Duquesne job? This same former assistant AD left Duquesne for Quinnipiac.
He's going to be hunting for a new women's basketball coach this offseason, I suspect.
X-band '01
03-30-2017, 06:44 PM
Greg Amodio?
GoMuskies
03-30-2017, 06:47 PM
Greg Amodio?
Yeah, Quinnipiac's women were in the Sweet 16.
GIMMFD
03-30-2017, 07:58 PM
Which means it's a home run for us. They'll be good, but their ceiling isn't going to be very high if they have any delusions of moving to the Big East in the foreseeable future. VCU fans are also very happy with that hire, which may not be a good sign if you're a Dayton fan.
I wonder if Xavier and Dayton renew their series with Grant now running the show up there.
The best part is it seems a lot of the Dayton fans were content with Grant because "he's not going to use us as a stepping stone"... what would you rather have?? A team that could do some damage every now and then, or consistent, in the first round of the NCAA get knocked out, but you'll win your 20 games in a soft conference... Poor school, I would feel bad... but they are Dayton.
Muskie
03-31-2017, 09:50 AM
I believe we are updated again.
casualfan
03-31-2017, 03:35 PM
Georgetown tried to make a move on Chris:
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0639547904662443374-4
GoMuskies
03-31-2017, 03:44 PM
Georgetown tried to make a move on Chris:
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0639547904662443374-4
That would have been quite the kick to the gonads.
GetUp5
03-31-2017, 03:48 PM
Georgetown tried to make a move on Chris:
http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0639547904662443374-4
Man, that comes off as really pathetic and desperate from Georgetown. So for all those who said Chris would leave in a second if his pay was doubled.... Where ya at?
casualfan
03-31-2017, 03:48 PM
Man, that comes off as really pathetic and desperate from Georgetown.
Why?
GoMuskies
03-31-2017, 03:52 PM
It's only pathetic and desperate when you get turned down. So...kind of pathetic.
But very hilarious.
BMoreX
03-31-2017, 03:56 PM
Beautiful.
Would have been a nightmare if he accepted.
Also (IMO) kind of scummy to try and hire an in-conference head coach.
casualfan
03-31-2017, 03:57 PM
It's only pathetic and desperate when you get turned down. So...kind of pathetic.
But very hilarious.
I mean I guess. Most schools get turned down by their top choices in coaching searches so I guess I don't look at it that way.
There is some speculation out there that this is Chris or his agent angling for a raise from Xavier.
I'm not sure I buy that, but it is interesting it came from Goodman.
GoMuskies
03-31-2017, 03:59 PM
I mean I guess. Most schools get turned down by their top choices in coaching searches so I guess I don't look at it that way.
Sure, but you don't usually ask (and get turned down by) someone in your conference. It's like trying to steal your friend's girlfriend. You're going to look REALLY bad if you get rejected.
casualfan
03-31-2017, 04:03 PM
Sure, but you don't usually ask (and get turned down by) someone in your conference. It's like trying to steal your friend's girlfriend. You're going to look REALLY bad if you get rejected.
The more I hear about this the more I think this is a raise angle.
Nothing wrong with it, but there are some things not adding up and again, I don't think it's a coincidence it came from Chris' best media buddy.
xubrew
03-31-2017, 04:05 PM
I don't think Georgetown is doing a very good job of gauging the interest of the people they are pursuing.
ammtd34
03-31-2017, 04:05 PM
The more I hear about this the more I think this is a raise angle.
Nothing wrong with it, but there are some things not adding up and again, I don't think it's a coincidence it came from Chris' best media buddy.
Eh, I don't think he'd make that up.
casualfan
03-31-2017, 04:06 PM
Eh, I don't think he'd make that up.
You don't think who'd make what up?
GetUp5
03-31-2017, 04:16 PM
Why?
They throw $4M at a coach in their own conference who is making somewhere between $1.5M and $1.8M? And get turned down. Not to mention if you're going to go after someone like C Mack, you should probably throw some feelers out there before making a move like this.
Pathetic.
XU3232
03-31-2017, 04:19 PM
I mean I guess. Most schools get turned down by their top choices in coaching searches so I guess I don't look at it that way.
There is some speculation out there that this is Chris or his agent angling for a raise from Xavier.
I'm not sure I buy that, but it is interesting it came from Goodman.
Chris doesn't need a reason to ask for more money, I think everyone knows how valuable he is. Himself included. I'm sure they are working to improve his pay as well regardless.
ammtd34
03-31-2017, 04:20 PM
You don't think who'd make what up?
Your post insinuated that this was being floated as leverage for a raise. I don't think Mack or Goodman would simply say this unless it was true.
AviatorX
03-31-2017, 05:37 PM
Chris doesn't need a reason to ask for more money, I think everyone knows how valuable he is. Himself included. I'm sure they are working to improve his pay as well regardless.
Exactly. There is no posturing to be done. Xavier is already working on paying Mack as much as they realistically can, otherwise everyone should be fired.
AviatorX
03-31-2017, 05:38 PM
Sure, but you don't usually ask (and get turned down by) someone in your conference. It's like trying to steal your friend's girlfriend. You're going to look REALLY bad if you get rejected.
Yeah I mean intra-conference player transfers are looked down upon, trying to take someone else's coach...
Assuming Mack feels the same way at least a little bit because the whole point of putting out feelers to an agent is so it doesn't leak. Seems like kind of a code that you don't do that. So maybe Mack felt Georgetown stepped over the line first. Obviously that's just speculation and probably reading too much into it.
Hope Georgetown enjoys losing their entire recruiting class and the Tommy Amaker era. Cheers.
Your post insinuated that this was being floated as leverage for a raise. I don't think Mack or Goodman would simply say this unless it was true.
Yeah, making something like that up makes you look worse than GT with the in-conference swing-and-a-miss. (I like the best friend's girlfriend analogy.) However, if it's true, you use it! Nothing wrong with that. I'd worry about them if they didn't use it in some way.
paulxu
03-31-2017, 06:45 PM
I hope Georgetown gets a good coach, for the sake of our conference.
Guess I always thought Mack was (is) happy until Louisville opens up.
That said, and I understand the financial constraints we have, but the fact that Miller makes 3.5 at IU and Mack is under 2 is just nuts.
We have been very fortunate.
GIMMFD
03-31-2017, 09:31 PM
I hope Georgetown gets a good coach, for the sake of our conference.
Guess I always thought Mack was (is) happy until Louisville opens up.
That said, and I understand the financial constraints we have, but the fact that Miller makes 3.5 at IU and Mack is under 2 is just nuts.
We have been very fortunate.
I'm sure he'll make 2, maybe just a little north of 2 as they work to restructure his deal right now, what's the tournament incentives in his contract? I'm sure he picked up a pretty penny with this Elite 8 run.
LA Muskie
04-01-2017, 01:22 AM
Man, that comes off as really pathetic and desperate from Georgetown. So for all those who said Chris would leave in a second if his pay was doubled.... Where ya at?
There is NO WAY G'Town offered him $4mm.
Masterofreality
04-01-2017, 08:02 AM
There is NO WAY G'Town offered him $4mm.
Sounds like Goodman and CMack concocted an early April Fools joke. And it is pretty funny. $4 million is ReGawdDamnDiculous.
xubrew
04-03-2017, 03:50 PM
CB McGrath (from North Carolina) to UNC Wilmington.
Knowing Roy Williams, this means that North Carolina will be playing at UNCW some time within the next three years.
GoMuskies
04-03-2017, 03:53 PM
They couldn't wait until tomorrow?
xubrew
04-03-2017, 03:57 PM
They couldn't wait until tomorrow?
I know, really??
I know the convention was Friday, but damn. Just wait another day to go public with it.
xubrew
04-04-2017, 04:31 PM
Rumors are that John Groce will land at Akron.
xubrew
04-04-2017, 11:17 PM
UC Santa Barbara hires Joe Pasternack. He was the associate head coach at Arizona. I think this is good for both UCSB and Pasternack. They're bad now, but they have a pretty good program overall and he should be able to get them turned around rather quickly.
flatspat
04-05-2017, 12:26 PM
Rumors are that John Groce will land at Akron.
Confirmed via espn.com Groce 6 yr.deal at Akron
X-band '01
04-05-2017, 02:45 PM
Groce succeeded at Ohio and led them to a Sweet 16 - hopefully he can at least get Akron back to the NCAA Tournament and at least win a game or two (which is something Keith Dambrot could not do in 3 trips to the NCAA Tournament).
Juice
04-09-2017, 03:54 PM
Jeff GoodmanVerified account @GoodmanESPN 3m3 minutes ago
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Archie Miller's staff at Indiana will be Bruiser Flint, Tom Ostrom (Dayton) and Ed Schilling (UCLA), source told ESPN. Bill Comar as DOBO.
Ohionite_X
04-09-2017, 03:58 PM
I guess Ed Schilling is the "Indiana Guy" they were looking to add. Interesting staff, especially with Bruiser Flint being on there.
Muskie
04-09-2017, 04:36 PM
I guess Ed Schilling is the "Indiana Guy" they were looking to add. Interesting staff, especially with Bruiser Flint being on there.
Very surprised Miller didn't add someone like Calbert Cheaney.
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Very surprised Miller didn't add someone like Calbert Cheaney.
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Schilling was a long time coach with lots of connections in Indiana high schools, whereas Cheaney is just another Douchebag Bob former player.
Muskie
04-09-2017, 09:25 PM
Schilling was a long time coach with lots of connections in Indiana high schools, whereas Cheaney is just another Douchebag Bob former player.
Cheaney is one of the best players to ever play in the Big Ten and is an IU Alum. Just because he played for an A-hole doesn't make him one. Cheaney has been an assistant for the past three years at SLU. Although it appears he may have retired. Not sure why he gets the criticism from you.
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It's more than obvious the AD at IU wants a total, permanent break from the Knight era. Nothing against Cheaney, but Schilling a much better hire. Having coached Jr high bball and fball for 20 years I saw first hand what Knight wrought. Way too many coaches in Indiana were convinced the correct way to Coach was to berate your players, scream, and intimidate and abuse officials.
Muskie
04-09-2017, 10:39 PM
It's more than obvious the AD at IU wants a total, permanent break from the Knight era. Nothing against Cheaney, but Schilling a much better hire. Having coached Jr high bball and fball for 20 years I saw first hand what Knight wrought. Way too many coaches in Indiana were convinced the correct way to Coach was to berate your players, scream, and intimidate and abuse officials. I can't argue against Schilling. I'm just surprised he didn't find a way to get a former player involved that would potentially placate Knight holdovers (which thankfully they seem to be losing steam).
joe titan
04-10-2017, 11:08 AM
Golly; Schilling is obviously the safety net for IU in case Archie fails miserably. I even suspect when Alford discussed the job with IU he nominated Schilling to be IU's next coach. Pretty smart move by AD Glass IMO.
ammtd34
04-10-2017, 11:16 AM
I can't argue against Schilling. I'm just surprised he didn't find a way to get a former player involved that would potentially placate Knight holdovers (which thankfully they seem to be losing steam).
At the school, sure. But 3,500 people sold out a Bloomington high school to hear Knight speak 2 weeks ago.
Muskie
04-10-2017, 11:35 AM
At the school, sure. But 3,500 people sold out a Bloomington high school to hear Knight speak 2 weeks ago. That's a way smaller venue than he would have filled out five years ago.
ammtd34
04-10-2017, 02:05 PM
That's a way smaller venue than he would have filled out five years ago.
Other than Assembly Hall, are there many bigger venues in Bloomington? If he agreed to speak at Assembly Hall, I think he'd fill it.
Muskie
04-10-2017, 02:18 PM
Other than Assembly Hall, are there many bigger venues in Bloomington? If he agreed to speak at Assembly Hall, I think he'd fill it. That I couldn't say. I haven't been down there in years. My memory is that one of the H.S.'s has a higher capacity gym. I can't remember if it's Bloomington North or South.
ammtd34
04-10-2017, 02:33 PM
That I couldn't say. I haven't been down there in years. My memory is that one of the H.S.'s has a higher capacity gym. I can't remember if it's Bloomington North or South.
According to this site (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/gyms.htm), North and South both seat 3,000. He spoke at North for what that's worth.
Muskie
04-10-2017, 02:59 PM
According to this site (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/gyms.htm), North and South both seat 3,000. He spoke at North for what that's worth. You know it's a slow time of year when you are are discussing the relative seating capacities at Bloomington H.S. gyms. I just remembered one gym being much bigger. Oh well.
paulxu
04-10-2017, 03:47 PM
That's like Gola and Rose Hill.
xubrew
04-10-2017, 05:50 PM
Steve Fischer is retiring at San Diego State. I think his career ranks very much above average.
joe titan
04-10-2017, 07:04 PM
Subtract those initial 5 games, it becomes average.
Subtract those initial 5 games, it becomes average.
This....extremely average
xubrew
04-10-2017, 08:22 PM
Subtract those initial 5 games, it becomes average.
So, winning a national title, being the national runner up twice, and then going to a school in San Diego State that had never made the NCAA Tournament and that had undergone fourteen straight losing seasons prior to his arrival and getting them to the point to where they were basically in the top 25 for five straight years is average??
Even if you forget everything he did at Michigan, he still had a damn good career. Other than Scott Drew at Baylor I can't think of another coach that took a program that sucked as bad as San Diego State and basically permanently turned them around. To go from fourteen straight losing seasons to twelve straight winning seasons and five straight NCAA Tournament/top 25 appearances as part of that stretch is WAAAYY above average.
xubrew
04-10-2017, 08:33 PM
Scott Sutton out at Oral Roberts. The school told his players and then announced it via twitter. At no point in that process did they bother meeting with Scott Sutton, or informing him in any way, shape, or form.
LA Muskie
04-10-2017, 08:50 PM
Golly; Schilling is obviously the safety net for IU in case Archie fails miserably. I even suspect when Alford discussed the job with IU he nominated Schilling to be IU's next coach. Pretty smart move by AD Glass IMO.
You think when Alford discussed the IU job he was pitching the 2-for-1 contingency of getting Schilling too? Methinks you've been spending too much time hanging with Tre...
XUMIOH12
04-10-2017, 11:09 PM
So, winning a national title, being the national runner up twice, and then going to a school in San Diego State that had never made the NCAA Tournament and that had undergone fourteen straight losing seasons prior to his arrival and getting them to the point to where they were basically in the top 25 for five straight years is average??
Even if you forget everything he did at Michigan, he still had a damn good career. Other than Scott Drew at Baylor I can't think of another coach that took a program that sucked as bad as San Diego State and basically permanently turned them around. To go from fourteen straight losing seasons to twelve straight winning seasons and five straight NCAA Tournament/top 25 appearances as part of that stretch is WAAAYY above average.
lol yeah the guy had a very good coaching career. It's tough to make an argument against that.
SM#24
04-11-2017, 09:10 AM
So, winning a national title, being the national runner up twice, and then going to a school in San Diego State that had never made the NCAA Tournament and that had undergone fourteen straight losing seasons prior to his arrival and getting them to the point to where they were basically in the top 25 for five straight years is average??
Even if you forget everything he did at Michigan, he still had a damn good career. Other than Scott Drew at Baylor I can't think of another coach that took a program that sucked as bad as San Diego State and basically permanently turned them around. To go from fourteen straight losing seasons to twelve straight winning seasons and five straight NCAA Tournament/top 25 appearances as part of that stretch is WAAAYY above average.
A little fact checking but I strongly agree with your position. SD St did go to the NCAAs 3 times previous (twice in the mid-70s and once in the mid-80s). And not quite 14 straight losing years, but 12 of 13 where they averaged 10 wins per year. His 18 years avg'd 21 wins per year including two 30+ seasons.
8 NCAAs and 5 NITs. His last 12 years avg'd 25 wins per year with 7 NCAAs (including 6 straight from 2010-2015) and 4 NITs.
SD St has lead Cali colleges in attendance the past 7 years.
I put this as a very good coaching career even without the Michigan results which you can count or discount due to what was going on there.
xubrew
04-11-2017, 09:53 AM
A little fact checking but I strongly agree with your position. SD St did go to the NCAAs 3 times previous (twice in the mid-70s and once in the mid-80s). And not quite 14 straight losing years, but 12 of 13 where they averaged 10 wins per year. His 18 years avg'd 21 wins per year including two 30+ seasons.
8 NCAAs and 5 NITs. His last 12 years avg'd 25 wins per year with 7 NCAAs (including 6 straight from 2010-2015) and 4 NITs.
SD St has lead Cali colleges in attendance the past 7 years.
I put this as a very good coaching career even without the Michigan results which you can count or discount due to what was going on there.
You are right.
I need to amend that to say 14 straight losing seasons AGAINST DIV1 TEAMS. Whenver I look through stuff I tend to forget that my go-to site only counts up div1 wins.
The tournaments I was completely wrong about. I was just under the impression they had never been before and didn't even look it up.
But, he still went to what amounted to Fordham or Duquesne, and turned them into a consistent top 25 program. That's pretty damn good even if my figures weren't spot on. They won just four games the year before he got there.
XU 87
04-11-2017, 10:10 AM
Subtract those initial 5 games, it becomes average.
I agree with Brew. Besides winning a national championship, he also went to two NCAA finals. At SDSU he turned a perennial loser into a very good program.
xubrew
04-11-2017, 10:13 AM
Tensions are rising in the Land of Enchantment!!!
Paul Weir had an amazing season at New Mexico State. He really did. Cross state rival New Mexico needs a coach. I know this doesn't resonate with people who don't live in the state of New Mexico, but these two schools genuinely don't like each other. The feud has been escalated by how bad New Mexico State's luck seems to have been since they joined the WAC, and the WAC pretty much disintegrated leaving them with no place else to land. Meanwhile, the Mountain West is not only healthy (at least relatively speaking) but has expanded multiple times and not invited the Aztecs. They've instead invited other WAC programs such as Nevada. So, not only has New Mexico State not been invited, but their conference rivals were invited and the league became even weaker. This isn't all New Mexico's fault, but NMSU seems to think that it is, which makes it more intriguing.
The other piece of the feud is that New Mexico State has an easier path to the NCAA Tournament, so they get to hold that over the heads of the Lobos, who haven't even played like a NIT team since Alford left for UCLA (at least, not often).
Now, it is rumored that New Mexico wants to hire Weir. New Mexico State fans are not taking it well. The following may not seem like anything other than just a regular fan ranting about how things aren't going the way he wants. But, I believe this is a former board of trustees members. Members of boards of trustees typically don't throw fits. At least not in public. So, with that in mind, it's a little more incredible. And amusing...
https://twitter.com/MWCConnection/status/851652450310279168
X-band '01
04-11-2017, 01:04 PM
Weir is officially New Mexico's head coach now (or WeirWolf as some Lobo fans are calling him).
BTW, New Mexico State would be the Aggies, not Aztecs.
xubrew
04-11-2017, 01:34 PM
Good catch.
I'm amused by the soap opera. It's fun to watch how much fun New Mexico has taking a crap on New Mexico State, and then to watch New Mexico State go into hysterics. I have no dog in the fight whatsoever. i'm merely intrigued by the fight.
muskiefan82
04-11-2017, 05:34 PM
Imagine Mack going to UC. Or Cronin coming to X. Can you imagine the ridiculousness? It would make NM/NMSt look like nothing.
GoMuskies
04-11-2017, 05:37 PM
Rick Pitino going to Louisville
xubrew
04-11-2017, 06:40 PM
Imagine Mack going to UC. Or Cronin coming to X. Can you imagine the ridiculousness? It would make NM/NMSt look like nothing.
I don't know. Perhaps nationally, you're right. X/UC is bigger in the sense that both programs are far more nationally relevant, but when it comes to simple hatred, I think those two hate each other more, especially when you throw in the storyline about how the WAC is falling apart, and the MWC keeps inviting WAC teams, but won't invite New Mexico State. Not only are they not helping, they're ultimately playing a role in making them even worse off. At least that's how NMSU sees it whether it's the reality or not. And now, they've stolen their coach. X and UC are definitely rivals, but they really aren't in each other's way the way those two are.
sirthought
04-12-2017, 12:00 AM
Tae Baker went from UC to XU. His XU program was not in the ballpark of the UC program, but this was in an era when coaching/college hoops wasn't the pressure cooker it is today.
GoMuskies
04-12-2017, 12:09 AM
Of course, Baker got fired at UC and took the XU job as a cush semi-retirement gig.
xubrew
04-12-2017, 02:20 PM
Alabama A&M, which was hands down the worst team in all of div1 last season, has hired Donnie Marsh. I don't know whether or not to feel happy for him, or feel sorry for him.
muskiefan82
04-12-2017, 02:26 PM
No place to go but up?
GoMuskies
04-12-2017, 02:30 PM
Marsh has actually had quite a career (I just learned from looking at his Wikipedia page). Not sure why a 61 year old journeyman wants to take on a hopeless situation like Alabama A&M, but I guess being a head coach in the SWAC pays marginally better than being an assistant coach in the SWAC.
xubrew
04-17-2017, 06:03 PM
Chris Jans to New Mexico State.
For those of you who are unaware as to why he left Bowling Green, google it, because it was rather spectacular.
In Las Crusas, there isn't much to do other than go to the bars. This may be a problem.
Chris Jans to New Mexico State.
For those of you who are unaware as to why he left Bowling Green, google it, because it was rather spectacular.
In Las Crusas, there isn't much to do other than go to the bars. This may be a problem.
Sounds like some video would be fun.
X-band '01
04-17-2017, 09:13 PM
Chris Jans to New Mexico State.
For those of you who are unaware as to why he left Bowling Green, google it, because it was rather spectacular.
In Las Crusas, there isn't much to do other than go to the bars. This may be a problem.
Sounds like some video would be fun.
This is what was recorded on a cell phone that triggered his firing from Bowling Green:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WbcCDgIbAw
X-band '01
04-17-2017, 09:15 PM
Brew can also appreciate how fun the New Mexico State/UTEP rivalry will be with Jans and Tim Floyd on opposing sidelines. A match made in hell.
XUMIOH12
04-17-2017, 09:19 PM
Chris Jans to New Mexico State.
For those of you who are unaware as to why he left Bowling Green, google it, because it was rather spectacular.
In Las Crusas, there isn't much to do other than go to the bars. This may be a problem.
Las Cruces. Sorry, spelling errors are a big pet peeve of mine haha.
GoMuskies
04-18-2017, 01:16 PM
Creighton offered Jans an assistant coaching position last week. Interesting.
See 3:00 in to this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnR_Rzpjwgo&feature=youtu.be
xubrew
04-18-2017, 02:41 PM
This is a good opportunity for Jans. I think that New Mexico State might be the easiest place in the entire nation to win over twenty games a year. He'll go there. He'll do well. He'll move on.
paulxu
04-18-2017, 05:16 PM
This is a good opportunity for Jans. I think that New Mexico State might be the easiest place in the entire nation to win over twenty games a year. He'll go there. He'll do well. He'll move on.
He might work for free!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2017/04/17/new-mexico-gov-martinez-vetoes-higher-education-funding-all-of-it/?utm_term=.b6b255ebd58c
Muskie
04-24-2017, 10:18 AM
Juan Dixon to Coppin State.
GIMMFD
04-24-2017, 03:03 PM
Juan Dixon to Coppin State.
Wait like old Maryland Juan Dixon??? I didn't know he was in coaching, hmm. Interesting.
GoMuskies
04-24-2017, 03:04 PM
I always liked Fang Mitchell.
GoMuskies
04-24-2017, 03:08 PM
Wait like old Maryland Juan Dixon??? I didn't know he was in coaching, hmm. Interesting.
Wow, according to Wikipedia, his coaching career has been....interesting. Good luck Coppin.
On November 27, 2013, Dixon joined the Maryland Terrapin coaching staff as a special assistant under head coach Mark Turgeon.[20] In July 2016, Dixon was relieved of his duties.[21]
On October 14, 2016. Dixon was hired as head coach of the women's basketball team at the University of the District of Columbia (UDC).[22] After a 3–25 season, he was hired as head men's coach at Coppin State.
Wow, according to Wikipedia, his coaching career has been....interesting. Good luck Coppin.
On November 27, 2013, Dixon joined the Maryland Terrapin coaching staff as a special assistant under head coach Mark Turgeon.[20] In July 2016, Dixon was relieved of his duties.[21]
On October 14, 2016. Dixon was hired as head coach of the women's basketball team at the University of the District of Columbia (UDC).[22] After a 3–25 season, he was hired as head men's coach at Coppin State.
Their fans must be pretty pumped up over this hire!
GoMuskies
04-24-2017, 03:44 PM
Their fans must be pretty pumped up over this hire!
By way of contrast, when Coppin hired Fang Mitchell, he had a 227-46 record in 8 years of coaching JUCO ball.
GIMMFD
04-24-2017, 07:45 PM
Wow, according to Wikipedia, his coaching career has been....interesting. Good luck Coppin.
On November 27, 2013, Dixon joined the Maryland Terrapin coaching staff as a special assistant under head coach Mark Turgeon.[20] In July 2016, Dixon was relieved of his duties.[21]
On October 14, 2016. Dixon was hired as head coach of the women's basketball team at the University of the District of Columbia (UDC).[22] After a 3–25 season, he was hired as head men's coach at Coppin State.
Jeeze 3-25 can get you a job?? Name recognition must be a big thing these days.
xubrew
04-25-2017, 01:57 PM
Earl Grant just signed a five year extension at College of Charleston. This is a good move because it means the school will get a much bigger buyout when he leaves there after this upcoming season.
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