Tyrique Unchained

[American X]

Mr. Zero announces Xavier presence with authority. He is literally perfect shooting the basketball this game.

The would-be Human Foul Machine successor has not committed an infraction over two games.

Potential becomes reality, fear overcomes the Big East.

All hail the Freshman!

[bobbiemcgee]

Man, I'm surprised cuz he played a physical game and was flinging around Bluejays all over the place. Hopefully, we are now going to be able to make our bunny layups!!

[Blue Blooded-05]

Ty played great, but how bout Mack going to him early vs Patton? Obviously saw something on film

[nuts4xu]

Awesome game for the big man, he will be fun to watch the next 3 seasons.

[xu82]

He's a big guy with some WOW! Can't wait to see what he can become over his years at X. Very fun to watch. Did he really go 2 whole games without a foul? Funny how you don't notice what's not there.

[MHettel]

You could see his potential in the very first minutes he played this year. He was clearly the next beast in a long line of beasts.

I see a lot of Jamel McLean in him. Tall, long, strong. Doesn't soar to the rim like brown, but goes straight up with authority.

Silver lining for a crap year.

[Harryfe]

Interesting that Sean had good game against SH and Jones had minimal minutes. Then Tyrique has great game today and Sean has minimal minutes. Not trying to be critical of either. Just an observation.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You could see his potential in the very first minutes he played this year. He was clearly the next beast in a long line of beasts.

I see a lot of Jamel McLean in him. Tall, long, strong. Doesn't soar to the rim like brown, but goes straight up with authority.

Silver lining for a crap year.

Funny how far we've come huh? We are probably a 6 seed as it stands and we are having a "crap" year.

[AviatorX]

Funny how far we've come huh? We are probably a 6 seed as it stands and we are having a "crap" year.

Seriously. I love it. Been a lot of bumps, but the team is probably having one of the most successful regular seasons in XU history. Certainly in the Mack era.

[scoscox]

I think he meant just as far as all the setbacks we've faced. Great game by Tyrique. He just made Patton his b****

[IM4X]

Three cheers for Mr. Jones.

Q can now start singing...
"Mr Jones and me...
We're gonna be big stars"

[JTG]

Interesting that Sean had good game against SH and Jones had minimal minutes. Then Tyrique has great game today and Sean has minimal minutes. Not trying to be critical of either. Just an observation.
That my friend is called coaching, knowing who has the hot hand.

[Snipe]

Mr. Zero announces Xavier presence with authority. He is literally perfect shooting the basketball this game.

The would-be Human Foul Machine successor has not committed an infraction over two games.

Potential becomes reality, fear overcomes the Big East.

All hail the Freshman!

May God Bless The Man Child that is Tyrique Jones, and May God Bless The United States of America!

[Snipe]

He is The Beast of the East!

[MHettel]

I think he meant just as far as all the setbacks we've faced. Great game by Tyrique. He just made Patton his b****
Pretty much.

[Muskie34]

Long time reader on this board and don't post often, but always enjoy some muskie conversation. With that being said, I know Jones starts, but why did he only play 18 minutes? He was completely dominant today against the best big in the BE and I'm so excited about this young man's career at X. Does he lack the stamina? Does he have some hurt knees?

[scoscox]

It seems like his knee issue is lingering. Even that little tap with a fan caused him significant pain.

[XUFan09]

Long time reader on this board and don't post often, but always enjoy some muskie conversation. With that being said, I know Jones starts, but why did he only play 18 minutes? He was completely dominant today against the best big in the BE and I'm so excited about this young man's career at X. Does he lack the stamina? Does he have some hurt knees?


It seems like his knee issue is lingering. Even that little tap with a fan caused him significant pain.
Think of it this way. If a guy only plays 6 minutes per game on average, while the guys above him play 19 minutes per game and 15 minutes per game, you aren't going to suddenly put him out there for 25+ because he's having a really good game. Gaston chipped in 19 minutes himself with 5 rebounds to complement 3-4 from the field and 2 blocks. O'Mara didn't really contribute much, but that wasn't really clear to see right away, so he still took 8 of the possible minutes at the 5.

I think people are having a hard time with how things have changed. From a historical perspective, a bench player having a good game usually leads to more minutes, but for bigs, there is now no flexibility to the 4. All possible minutes are at the 5.

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[Muskie34]

Think of it this way. If a guy only plays 6 minutes per game on average, while the guys above him play 19 minutes per game and 15 minutes per game, you aren't going to suddenly put him out there for 25+ because he's having a really good game. Gaston chipped in 19 minutes himself with 5 rebounds to complement 3-4 from the field and 2 blocks. O'Mara didn't really contribute much, but that wasn't really clear to see right away, so he still took 8 of the possible minutes at the 5.

I think people are having a hard time with how things have changed. From a historical perspective, a bench player having a good game usually leads to more minutes, but for bigs, there is now no flexibility to the 4. All possible minutes are at the 5.

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I agree with the points of how many minutes he averages along with Gaston and Omara as to why he played less. Do you think we gradually keep increasing his minutes to where he can eventually play 20+ minutes/game? Really like what I see out of Jones. The up and under he pulled out today was a thing of beauty.

[XUFan09]

I agree with the points of how many minutes he averages along with Gaston and Omara as to why he played less. Do you think we gradually keep increasing his minutes to where he can eventually play 20+ minutes/game? Really like what I see out of Jones. The up and under he pulled out today was a thing of beauty.
A lot of this depends on Gaston and O'Mara. Matchups play into it too.

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[Muskie34]

A lot of this depends on Gaston and O'Mara. Matchups play into it too.

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Jones should play more minutes than Omara that's for sure.

[Backyard Champ]

Honestly, I'm not sure he CAN play more minutes then Omara. His knees have bothered him all year, a few of the games the warmups bothered his knees enough to where he couldn't play. I do feel like he's shown flashes of greatness and has loads of potential, but that knee issue has me concerned.

Simply put, he played great today, and has had moments of greatness, but because of his knee issues, we can't really rely, or expect much from him game to game. He's an added bonus, but until the knee issues go away, whatever they are, we can't expect much from him.

[XUFan09]

Jones should play more minutes than Omara that's for sure.
When "Good O'Mara" shows up, definitely not. Also, Jones has missed quite a few defensive assignments this season, something that O'Mara is generally not guilty of.

Jones clearly has the greater upside, but that's different from right now, where it varies game to game.

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[GoMuskies]

Good Sean has never been as good as today's Tyrique. But we've also never seen today's Tyrique before.

[XUFan09]

Good Sean has never been as good as today's Tyrique. But we've also never seen today's Tyrique before.
And we probably won't see Tyrique with that level of efficiency for the rest of the season. His offensive rating was 201, which is just absurd, especially when you consider some of the attempts. Even on a really good day, some of those roll off.

For perspective on that offensive rating, Gates has been in that neighborhood two times with a low usage rate and O'Mara and Bernard have each been in that neighborhood once with a low usage rate. Sumner is the only one besides Jones to have a game that efficient at a reasonable usage rate.

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[Fireball]

And for the second straight game, our freshman point guard has helped put our big guys in a position to succeed. As impressed as I am by Q so far, that might be what impresses me the most.

Who would have thought we'd beat Creighton on the road with two freshman in the starting lineup?

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[X-Fan]

Can someone elaborate on Tyrique's knee issues? I wasn't aware he had an issue. Is it a growth thing like Ed?

[American X]

Free Tyrique had one foul in 21 minutes against DePaul. That is one foul over 3 games. Mathematicians would call that a positive trend.

I think he also dribbled the ball off his leg out of bounds.

[GoMuskies]

Tyrique definitely seemed a bit more chained yesterday.

[Cincypunk.org]

Tyrique seemed to be bothered by his hamstrings yesterday. He has a good game, but he just seemed off and holding back on hustle and running the floor, etc. I also saw him stretching a lot on the sidelines.

[Xavier]

Can someone elaborate on Tyrique's knee issues? I wasn't aware he had an issue. Is it a growth thing like Ed?

Yeah, I thought he has been held back a lot because of his knee issues. Not sure what they are though.

[BandAid]

The last couple of posts are making me worried that we have a glass cannon on our hands...please tell it's not so.

[bobbiemcgee]

Seems pretty obvious to me. He was averaging 8-9 minutes a game and now he is double that.

[XfansinKy]

He's another strong young man at X.

[xu82]

Seems pretty obvious to me. He was averaging 8-9 minutes a game and now he is double that.

I hate to even comment lest I jinx things, but he seems to have learned how to reduce his fouling to a very manageable level. Hope that holds up!

[XfansinKy]

My question: As a junior, who will be the better post player, Jones or Reynolds? I believe Tyrique will have to stay 4 years, improving every season to possibly be a 2nd round draft pick, get an NBA tryout.

[scoscox]

My question: As a junior, who will be the better post player, Jones or Reynolds? I believe Tyrique will have to stay 4 years, improving every season to possibly be a 2nd round draft pick, get an NBA tryout.

Who knows, they're very similar. It looks like Tyrique has more touch around the basket than Jalen did, but it's only been a few games.

[XMuskieFTW]

My question: As a junior, who will be the better post player, Jones or Reynolds? I believe Tyrique will have to stay 4 years, improving every season to possibly be a 2nd round draft pick, get an NBA tryout.

Unless he can develop a really nice jump shot, I can't see anyone in the NBA wanting a 6'7 Center.

[Juice]

My question: As a junior, who will be the better post player, Jones or Reynolds? I believe Tyrique will have to stay 4 years, improving every season to possibly be a 2nd round draft pick, get an NBA tryout.

I don't think he will even get one of those. He's a 6'7'' center. Unless he learns how to shoot threes, he ain't sniffing the league. That being said, he can be a really good college player.

[xu82]

I don't think he will even get one of those. He's a 6'7'' center. Unless he learns how to shoot threes, he ain't sniffing the league. That being said, he can be a really good college player.


I'm sure I'm off here (so why does he post, you wonder?), but I got a glimpse of him next to Shid, and he actually looked a little taller, despite being listed as a couple inches shorter. You never know with listed heights. Just hoping for a great college career.

[XfansinKy]

Like I said, "I believe he will have to stay four years, improving every season to possibly be a 2nd round draft pick, get an NBA tryout". I saw him walk by Tre, and he's a lot taller than him, at least 3". I feel he'll definitely get a summer NBA tryout and DLeague if he wants instead of overseas. A 6'8 250 pound athletic, powerful, player is an NBA body. I agree, hes gonna have a great college career.

[Xville]

When he was being recruited he was listed at 6'7. Xavier's website has him listed at 6'9. I'm guessing he is somewhere right there in the middle. He is athletic, has a great build but as far as the next level is concerned, all that matters is if he can develop a jump shot. If he can do that, he will have a chance because he is certainly athletically gifted enough. I'd venture to say he is the most athletic big we have had in a while. Yes he is more athletic than jalen in my opinion.

[XfansinKy]

I wish I said it like you. ^^^^ Tyrique reminds me of a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Jarnell Stokes, who banks a lot of money bouncing back and forth from the Dleague to the NBA primarily as a 6'8 230lb power post player who still works on finding a mid range jumper. I feel like Tyrique is a healthy off-season in an elite camp/weight room away from being better than Stokes. I can think of a worst way to make a living than being a dependable guy in the Dleague that gets called up for near half the season every year, clearing a mil or so every few years.

[kmcrawfo]

I wish I said it like you. ^^^^ Tyrique reminds me of a bigger, stronger, more athletic version of Jarnell Stokes, who banks a lot of money bouncing back and forth from the Dleague to the NBA primarily as a 6'8 230lb power post player who still works on finding a mid range jumper. I feel like Tyrique is a healthy off-season in an elite camp/weight room away from being better than Stokes. I can think of a worst way to make a living than being a dependable guy in the Dleague that gets called up for near half the season every year, clearing a mil or so every few years.

I was talking about Tyrique alot and his game with Joe Sunderman and Tom Eisner on our flight home from the Creighton game. My take was that he reminded me of Danny Fortson, but clearly less developed and refined at this point. Danny Fortson at 6'7 was slightly undersized, but a powerful and wide big man. He was a rebounding machine. Obviously, those would be some big shoes to fill for Tyrique but perhaps he has the tools to develop into that type of a player.

[xuwin]

I was talking about Tyrique alot and his game with Joe Sunderman and Tom Eisner on our flight home from the Creighton game. My take was that he reminded me of Danny Fortson, but clearly less developed and refined at this point. Danny Fortson at 6'7 was slightly undersized, but a powerful and wide big man. He was a rebounding machine. Obviously, those would be some big shoes to fill for Tyrique but perhaps he has the tools to develop into that type of a player.

I thought you were going to give us Joe Sunderman and Tom Eisner's take on Tyrique but all you did was name drop.

[bobbiemcgee]

I thought you were going to give us Joe Sunderman and Tom Eisner's take on Tyrique but all you did was name drop.

Really? I thought the Doc's Fortson comparison was right on, and if you want to know what Sunderman thinks just listen to what he has to say about Tyrique every single game.

P.S. Thanks for supporting our Muskies on the road. Can't think of a better game this year to have "road tripped".

[kmcrawfo]

I thought you were going to give us Joe Sunderman and Tom Eisner's take on Tyrique but all you did was name drop.

I am about the last person who cares about or needs to drop names.

Let's see if on a second try I can work a little harder and rephrase my comments to meet your demands..... During an extended discussion with a couple folks who know an awful lot about Xavier Hoops and history and who opinions I value we delved deeply into past Xavier statistics and various players of the past. During this discussion it came up that it had been over 20 years since a Xavier player put up a game such as Tyrique did against Creighton. That game was Toraye Braggs against NKU where he went 9 for 9 from the floor. The topic came up of similarities between Toraye and Tyrique. Other people, media, and staff were involved in the conversation, and we compared Tyrique to several players. Part of the discussion focused on similarities between Fortson and Tyrique. The consensus that "I" took from the conversation was that if Tyrique can refine some of his post moves and develop a 15 foot jumper similar to Fortson he could be a similar type player.

I apologize for not meeting your expectations the first time around and will make sure to consider those expectations before posting anything like this again....

[BandAid]

I am about the last person who cares about or needs to drop names.

Let's see if on a second try I can work a little harder and rephrase my comments to meet your demands..... During an extended discussion with a couple folks who know an awful lot about Xavier Hoops and history and who opinions I value we delved deeply into past Xavier statistics and various players of the past. During this discussion it came up that it had been over 20 years since a Xavier player put up a game such as Tyrique did against Creighton. That game was Toraye Braggs against NKU where he went 9 for 9 from the floor. The topic came up of similarities between Toraye and Tyrique. Other people, media, and staff were involved in the conversation, and we compared Tyrique to several players. Part of the discussion focused on similarities between Fortson and Tyrique. The consensus that "I" took from the conversation was that if Tyrique can refine some of his post moves and develop a 15 foot jumper similar to Fortson he could be a similar type player.

I apologize for not meeting your expectations the first time around and will make sure to consider those expectations before posting anything like this again....

Apology accepted

[scoscox]

I think it's good comparison. Tyrique is probably more explosive than Fortson was actually, but still just as powerful.

[xuwin]

I am about the last person who cares about or needs to drop names.

Let's see if on a second try I can work a little harder and rephrase my comments to meet your demands..... During an extended discussion with a couple folks who know an awful lot about Xavier Hoops and history and who opinions I value we delved deeply into past Xavier statistics and various players of the past. During this discussion it came up that it had been over 20 years since a Xavier player put up a game such as Tyrique did against Creighton. That game was Toraye Braggs against NKU where he went 9 for 9 from the floor. The topic came up of similarities between Toraye and Tyrique. Other people, media, and staff were involved in the conversation, and we compared Tyrique to several players. Part of the discussion focused on similarities between Fortson and Tyrique. The consensus that "I" took from the conversation was that if Tyrique can refine some of his post moves and develop a 15 foot jumper similar to Fortson he could be a similar type player.

I apologize for not meeting your expectations the first time around and will make sure to consider those expectations before posting anything like this again....

Much better. Like a Mulligan.

[xu82]

Much better. Like a Mulligan.


HA! Like he needs a mulligan. Funny stuff.

[Smooth]

I am about the last person who cares about or needs to drop names.

Let's see if on a second try I can work a little harder and rephrase my comments to meet your demands..... During an extended discussion with a couple folks who know an awful lot about Xavier Hoops and history and who opinions I value we delved deeply into past Xavier statistics and various players of the past. During this discussion it came up that it had been over 20 years since a Xavier player put up a game such as Tyrique did against Creighton. That game was Toraye Braggs against NKU where he went 9 for 9 from the floor. The topic came up of similarities between Toraye and Tyrique. Other people, media, and staff were involved in the conversation, and we compared Tyrique to several players. Part of the discussion focused on similarities between Fortson and Tyrique. The consensus that "I" took from the conversation was that if Tyrique can refine some of his post moves and develop a 15 foot jumper similar to Fortson he could be a similar type player.

I apologize for not meeting your expectations the first time around and will make sure to consider those expectations before posting anything like this again....

Who are these people you spoke to. I need names.

[Muskie]

Some of you are ridiculous. You have a poster here sharing a personal experience and the first post is accusatory. When you wonder why people are reluctant to share insight to the team, look no further than this post.


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[bleedXblue]

Any word on how he's doing?

[X-ROX]

I was sitting a few rows behind bench and it was quite a thump. He was out of it for the rest of the game and was stumbling just to get to the locker room after. It didn't look good.

[muskieindent]

I fear concussion which means he's out this week.At least we have some depth at that position but we can't lose anyone at this point.

[xufan2434]

Mack just said on the Big East telephone conference that he's better but no update yet. And it'll come down to Tyrique, his family, the doctors, and X's team come Wednesday if he can go. If I had to guess, he won't be ready. They don't take concussions too lightly.

[blueblob06]

Mack just said, "He's better. I don't have an update on his status of whether he'll be available for Wednesday or not. I'm sure if it was left up to Tyrique, he'd want to play. But that's going to be a mutual decision between Tyrique, his family, the doctors and everybody here associated with Xavier."

Assuming he's out, that takes our rotation to 7 guys, playing a 9:30 (probably closer to 10pm) game and, if we win, then we play a rested, deep Butler team the following day at 7pm. Yikes. Having said that, it's March and anything can happen.

Hope Jones recovers quickly.

[IM4X]

BleedXBlue... Thanks for starting this thread asking about Tyrique's situation ... and thanks to all who have contributed with updated info on his health. So glad to hear that he seems to be feeling okay. That he is even thinking about playing is a good sign. Though, I'd much rather see him sit out a game or more if there are any concerns at all. Tyrique's health is much more important than any basketball game- even one that may decide if the team makes the dance.

[xu82]

I somehow missed seeing his head hit the floor, but I saw him afterward. I'd be shocked if he plays, but I'll trust those involved to do what's best.

[casualfan]

Agree with everyone saying they would be shocked to see him on Wednesday.

He looked to be in really bad shape as he was being walked off the court.

[Muskie]

I somehow missed seeing his head hit the floor, but I saw him afterward. I'd be shocked if he plays, but I'll trust those involved to do what's best. Saw and heard it live. His head made a distinct thud. I can't imagine he's available Wednesday.

[xu82]

Saw and heard it live. His head made a distinct thud. I can't imagine he's available Wednesday.


I'll pray that he's ready for the round of 64, on several levels!

[XUFan09]

1) Mainly, I just hope he gets better. Concussions are scary.

2) I'm not that worried about depth, because he plays at the one position that the team is 3-deep. Two deep isn't ideal for a spot where the only alternative is a combo forward (Gates), but it's not terrible.

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[PM Thor]

I'm in no way saying that this equates to what T had happen, but I've had 3 concussions. They are absolutely horrible. If you haven't had one, it's really hard to describe. All of your senses go haywire. In my case on the last one, the most severe, I lost memory of three days, and right after it happened I could barely see, couldn't walk, and had to be helped to the bathroom to throw up. I also have a distinct connection to boiled cabbage because when I cracked my skull my neighbor was boiling cabbage. To this day if I smell that, I throw up. Bizarre really.

It matters on the level of the concussion, but it can really take weeks, even months to get better from it. Tournament be damned, don't rush him back too fast. That stuff is scary.

[ammtd34]

Every high school in Ohio has kids take a cognitive test to establish a baseline. "Concussion protocol" involves taking that test again, in addition to monitoring other symptoms. My point is that they'll be extremely careful. It's definitely not just up to Tyrique.

[IM4X]

I'm in no way saying that this equates to what T had happen, but I've had 3 concussions. They are absolutely horrible. If you haven't had one, it's really hard to describe. All of your senses go haywire. In my case on the last one, the most severe, I lost memory of three days, and right after it happened I could barely see, couldn't walk, and had to be helped to the bathroom to throw up. I also have a distinct connection to boiled cabbage because when I cracked my skull my neighbor was boiling cabbage. To this day if I smell that, I throw up. Bizarre really.

It matters on the level of the concussion, but it can really take weeks, even months to get better from it. Tournament be damned, don't rush him back too fast. That stuff is scary.

wow... yes... very scary. I knew others that had concussions who had issues adterwards too. This is why really I hope he sits out, unless he has been checked and rechecked and cleared as being 100% free of having any potential issuss due to having a concussion. I am sure the doctors will make the final call, but I hope he does not hold back from mentioning any symptoms because he feels he needs to be available to help the team. He needs to take this very seriously.

[GIMMFD]

Every high school in Ohio has kids take a cognitive test to establish a baseline. "Concussion protocol" involves taking that test again, in addition to monitoring other symptoms. My point is that they'll be extremely careful. It's definitely not just up to Tyrique.

To add onto this point, not only high schools, but I believe colleges too, I know for club footy we had to do the "concussion testing" as well, so I'm pretty damn sure it would be the case for D1 athletics.

[LA Muskie]

BleedXBlue... Thanks for starting this thread asking about Tyrique's situation ... and thanks to all who have contributed with updated info on his health. So glad to hear that he seems to be feeling okay. That he is even thinking about playing is a good sign. Though, I'd much rather see him sit out a game or more if there are any concerns at all. Tyrique's health is much more important than any basketball game- even one that may decide if the team makes the dance.
He's not feeling "OK". He's feeling better than he felt Sunday. He ain't playing this week, no matter how far we advance in the Big East Tourney.

[LA Muskie]

To add onto this point, not only high schools, but I believe colleges too, I know for club footy we had to do the "concussion testing" as well, so I'm pretty damn sure it would be the case for D1 athletics.

Correct. The concussion protocol requires a healthy baseline and, in the event of a potential concussion, repeated tests until the athlete is back to the baseline. That is just one of many elements of the protocol.

[casualfan]

He's not feeling "OK". He's feeling better than he felt Sunday. He ain't playing this week, no matter how far we advance in the Big East Tourney.

Do you know that or just basing it on the info available publicly?

To be clear I agree that i doubt hed play based on what ive seen and knw sblut concussions just wasnt sure if you knew something for sure in additiom to that

[xu82]

Correct. The concussion protocol requires a healthy baseline and, in the event of a potential concussion, repeated tests until the athlete is back to the baseline. That is just one of many elements of the protocol.

I'm afraid my baseline would lead them to believe I was already concussed!

[GoMuskies]

Did he even travel with the team? Would seem prudent to leave him back home if he's not going to play.

[xu82]

wow... yes... very scary. I knew others that had concussions who had issues adterwards too. This is why really I hope he sits out, unless he has been checked and rechecked and cleared as being 100% free of having any potential issuss due to having a concussion. I am sure the doctors will make the final call, but I hope he does not hold back from mentioning any symptoms because he feels he needs to be available to help the team. He needs to take this very seriously.

Thjat's a real issue. My son had a stinger in HS football. Six years later we learned how much he lied about it, and he still has some issues. NOT worth it!

[LA Muskie]

Do you know that or just basing it on the info available publicly?

To be clear I agree that i doubt hed play based on what ive seen and knw sblut concussions just wasnt sure if you knew something for sure in additiom to that

I'm not sure what's public and what's not, but I know he's still experiencing symptoms. No one has admitted that he won't play, and he did travel, but I don't see any prospect that he does.

[casualfan]

Did he even travel with the team? Would seem prudent to leave him back home if he's not going to play.

Yes he traveled

[xu82]

I'm not sure what's public and what's not, but I know he's still experiencing symptoms. No one has admitted that he won't play, and he did travel, but I don't see any prospect that he does.

Good.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I can attest to the severity of big concussions. I was in the lead group in a century road race 10 years ago and had my front wheel take out by a rider sweeping across. I literally face planted in the concrete and fractured my orbital bone. I don't remember about 20 minutes of that whole event. Sucky thing, it was an inexperienced rider who didn't know not to float horizontally in a pack. The guy tore about 5 feet sideways to avoid road debris and took a few guys out.

[IM4X]

Thjat's a real issue. My son had a stinger in HS football. Six years later we learned how much he lied about it, and he still has some issues. NOT worth it!

Sorry to hear. My father was a doctor and the physician for a college football team many years ago. Even back then (before all of this concussion talk being so front and center in the media) he made the decision not to allow me to play football (even though I begged him). He said he witnessed too many serious injuries-particularly to the head and neck.

Though I was upset at the time, I completely get it now. I will not allow my son to play football either. Like you said- Not worth it!

[IM4X]

I can attest to the severity of big concussions. I was in the lead group in a century road race 10 years ago and had my front wheel take out by a rider sweeping across. I literally face planted in the concrete and fractured my orbital bone. I don't remember about 20 minutes of that whole event. Sucky thing, it was an inexperienced rider who didn't know not to float horizontally in a pack. The guy tore about 5 feet sideways to avoid road debris and took a few guys out.

Goodness- that's awful!

[xu82]

Sorry to hear. My father was a doctor and the physician for a college football team many years ago. Even back then (before all of this concussion talk being so front and center in the media) he made the decision not to allow me to play football (even though I begged him). He said he witnessed too many serious injuries-particularly to the head and neck.

Though I was upset at the time, I completely get it now. I will not allow my son to play football either. Like you said- Not worth it!


I understand that feeling completely. We held them off on football until HS, but were fine (if nervous) about them playing there. We had had a broken ankle and a broken arm in hoops and soccer, so it's always a risk. Concussions scared me the most and even soccer has a great risk there. The "stinger kid" had a ridiculously crazy senior year as conference POY, first team All Area, State Honorable Mention (in FL!), scored 23 TD's, etc. (Much wouldn't have happened if he didn't lie mid-season, but more would have happened if he could feel his left hand the rest of the year.) It was a cool time I wouldn't take away from him.......unless he had a concussion. Do NOT mess with concussions! He opted out of playing in college and I was part disappointed, but more proud. He's a CPA now, and all that stuff is ancient history.

[IM4X]

I understand that feeling completely. We held them off on football until HS, but were fine (if nervous) about them playing there. We had had a broken ankle and a broken arm in hoops and soccer, so it's always a risk. Concussions scared me the most and even soccer has a great risk there. The "stinger kid" had a ridiculously crazy senior year as conference POY, first team All Area, State Honorable Mention (in FL!), scored 23 TD's, etc. (Much wouldn't have happened if he didn't lie mid-season, but more would have happened if he could feel his left hand the rest of the year.) It was a cool time I wouldn't take away from him.......unless he had a concussion. Do NOT mess with concussions! He opted out of playing in college and I was part disappointed, but more proud. He's a CPA now, and all that stuff is ancient history.

Wow that's some story. I can see how tough the decision might have been with all of his success and accolades. Still, it sounds like he made the right decision and everything has worked out nicely. I can see why you would be proud.

[XfansinKy]

I had two at Knoxville Golden Gloves that caused me to stagger like that. 15 years ago though we didn't even go to the Dr. The symptoms I remember were bright lights hurting my eyes in a weird way, nausea, and couldn't seem to remember anything about 30 min before and after impact. If you're thinking,"He must not have been that good then" you are correct. I don't see how Tyrique could stand the lights and noise just yet, but I guess everybody's different. I'm guessing he doesn't play at all in the Big East tournament. Could be a blessing in disguise if his knees get some rest because you can definitely tell when he feels good.

[Newswired]

Per Shannon Russell: Tyrique will not play tonight.

[XfansinKy]

I hope he doesnt sit on the bench with the bright lights and noise. His symptoms may be minimal though for all i know.

[XUMIOH12]

his concussion symptoms must be pretty mild. But, still would be surprised if he played in the BET at all.

[Muskie]

He was Bobbing along to the music during timeouts, being a good teammate on the bench, and participating in the huddle. Better than what I expected after hearing the thud last Saturday.


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[XfansinKy]

He was Bobbing along to the music during timeouts, being a good teammate on the bench, and participating in the huddle. Better than what I expected after hearing the thud last Saturday.


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Greaat! Its easy to tell when his knees aren't sore and inflamed because his demeanor is "I'm the big, strong, muscle bound guy out here with the huge vertical." I catch myself waiting on a Sportscaster top ten play with him in. I believe he has the most potential to play in the NBA than any player of recruit. Gotta give Mack and staff credit for seeing potential nobody else does. He's already better than I thought he would be. If he stays healthy, he will be a first round pick someday. 6'8, 250lb, built like an NFL defensive end with a vertical around 40". Not many power forwards like that. He's Anthony Mason with elite athleticism. I realize I'm shooting a little high but why not. He's already made a couple plays that I doubt any D1 Player can do. Needless to say, he's my favorite X player since James Posey. I'm usually wrong about player comparisons as I said Posey was the next Pippen.

[Juice]

Greaat! Its easy to tell when his knees aren't sore and inflamed because his demeanor is "I'm the big, strong, muscle bound guy out here with the huge vertical." I catch myself waiting on a Sportscaster top ten play with him in. I believe he has the most potential to play in the NBA than any player of recruit. Gotta give Mack and staff credit for seeing potential nobody else does. He's already better than I thought he would be. If he stays healthy, he will be a first round pick someday. 6'8, 250lb, built like an NFL defensive end with a vertical around 40". Not many power forwards like that. He's Anthony Mason with elite athleticism. I realize I'm shooting a little high but why not. He's already made a couple plays that I doubt any D1 Player can do. Needless to say, he's my favorite X player since James Posey. I'm usually wrong about player comparisons as I said Posey was the next Pippen.

Everything in here about Tyrique in the NBA is the talk of an insane person. Do you even watch the NBA?

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=XfansinKy;583175]Gotta give Mack and staff credit for seeing potential nobody else does. He's already better than I thought he would be. QUOTE]

While I give them credit, he was recruited and offered buy a lot of good programs.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/207357/tyrique-jones

[chico]

[QUOTE=XfansinKy;583175]Gotta give Mack and staff credit for seeing potential nobody else does. He's already better than I thought he would be. QUOTE]

While I give them credit, he was recruited and offered buy a lot of good programs.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/207357/tyrique-jones

I don't see Jacksonville on that list so I'm not impressed.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=XU 87;583213]

I don't see Jacksonville on that list so I'm not impressed.

The college or the NFL team?

[chico]

[QUOTE=chico;583225]

The college or the NFL team?

The city.

[scoscox]

Greaat! Its easy to tell when his knees aren't sore and inflamed because his demeanor is "I'm the big, strong, muscle bound guy out here with the huge vertical." I catch myself waiting on a Sportscaster top ten play with him in. I believe he has the most potential to play in the NBA than any player of recruit. Gotta give Mack and staff credit for seeing potential nobody else does. He's already better than I thought he would be. If he stays healthy, he will be a first round pick someday. 6'8, 250lb, built like an NFL defensive end with a vertical around 40". Not many power forwards like that. He's Anthony Mason with elite athleticism. I realize I'm shooting a little high but why not. He's already made a couple plays that I doubt any D1 Player can do. Needless to say, he's my favorite X player since James Posey. I'm usually wrong about player comparisons as I said Posey was the next Pippen.

I really can't wait for him to be fully healthy. He is fun to watch. If he could tighten up his defense he will be really good.

[MHettel]

I always love it when I watch the first 5 minutes of a kid and I'm like ,"wow".

He's got every possible thing that can be given to someone and it's going to be on him to mold it. Everything pointing in the right direction.

Reminds me of des wells but at a different position.

Potential, in my mind, to easily put up number superior to Jamel McLean as an upper classman. That's kind of my low key me expectation. High school me NBA early.

He will start next year and could blow up

[American X]

I always love it when I watch the first 5 minutes of a kid and I'm like ,"wow".

He's got every possible thing that can be given to someone and it's going to be on him to mold it. Everything pointing in the right direction.

Reminds me of des wells but at a different position.

Potential, in my mind, to easily put up number superior to Jamel McLean as an upper classman. That's kind of my low key me expectation. High school me NBA early.

He will start next year and could blow up

How many pot brownies did you ingest before typing this?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

How many pot brownies did you ingest before typing this?

Lol, we all do have a nasty habit of making more out of a player. Tyrique still has a long way to go, but if you look at the roster next year it's not a big leap to see him starting. Bigs are O'Mara/Ernst/Jones/maybe the other Jones. O'Mara great last night, has been spotty all year with a tendency to stink or be invisible. Ernst and the other Jones are total unknowns. Tyrique isn't, everything I see makes me excited. The kid doesn't have to get used to his size and has played decent freshman minutes. I could see him starting and being pretty decent.

Point is, I have liked Tyrique from day one and see big things. Qualify that, I still see all the tools for Gates here also. I am not sure what is in his head at the moment. Some guys just play tentative if you give them just a small job. I think Gates would be better served here by focusing on his play down low and forget all the jumpers.

[American X]

Just want to mention the block Tyrique had to start the game was incredibly nasty:

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[Masterofreality]

Some of you are ridiculous. You have a poster here sharing a personal experience and the first post is accusatory. When you wonder why people are reluctant to share insight to the team, look no further than this post.


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Agree. Holy crap people. Mr KMCrawfo is a huge XU supporter. Leave the freaking guy alone. Totally undeserved.

K, thanks for your continuing support of Xavier.

[BandAid]

Some of you are ridiculous. You have a poster here sharing a personal experience and the first post is accusatory. When you wonder why people are reluctant to share insight to the team, look no further than this post.


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Agree. Holy crap people. Mr KMCrawfo is a huge XU supporter. Leave the freaking guy alone. Totally undeserved.

K, thanks for your continuing support of Xavier.


I made an innocent joke. It was tongue and cheek and in light of the whole tit for tat. I hope kmcrawfo understands that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just want to mention the block Tyrique had to start the game was incredibly nasty:

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There is no one in the stands!

[xu82]

There is no one in the stands!

I beg your pardon! ��

[xu82]

I made an innocent joke. It was tongue and cheek and in light of the whole tit for tat. I hope kmcrawfo understands that.

That's one great thing about X, we can forgive.

[smileyy]

Being a big in college may have changed a bit. That said, Danny Fortson put up 15 and 8 per game as an 18-year-old freshman. Maybe let's temper our comparisons a bit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I beg your pardon! ��

My apologies!

[Masterofreality]

There is no one in the stands!

All those Floridians were still sipping umbrella festooned fruit flavored alcoholic beverages on outdoor patios when that game began.

[MHettel]

I'll dredge up a very old message board topic. Danny Fortson, despicable as he was as a Bearcat, added 10 wins to a Seattle supersonic team by adding sheer toughness.

Tyrique is that toughness.

[xu82]

All those Floridians were still sipping umbrella festooned fruit flavored alcoholic beverages on outdoor patios when that game began.

The umbrellas? Is that your objection? "Festooned" bothers me a bit, but I can get over it. Go X! Beat the Gigantors!

[American X]

The only real question is how many minutes can Tyrique play. Is his conditioning good enough to go 30 minutes a game?

[sirthought]

The only real question is how many minutes can Tyrique play. Is his conditioning good enough to go 30 minutes a game?

The fact that it's been brought by coach more than once means that this is going to be a mixed bag issue for him. He's obviously working on it and will likely get stronger as the season continues. But the question will be does a run of several games in a row just wind him at the end of the season.

Personally, I like O'Mara in there for different reasons, so the platoon approach works well for this team. Jones certainly has looked strong so far and I hope he steps up to demand the ball more while he's on the court.

[American X]

The XavierHoops Star of the Game goes to Tyrique Jones for tracking down the loose ball leading to Trevon's three alone. What a start to the season for Mr. Zero.

[JTG]

The XavierHoops Star of the Game goes to Tyrique Jones for tracking down the loose ball leading to Trevon's three alone. What a start to the season for Mr. Zero.

Not to mention 2 MADE free throws in crunch time.

[Snipe]

I am impressed by the young man. I do like having depth and being able to show teams different looks, but I like Tyrique starting and playing every game. He could become a monster in time.

Xavier big man factory strikes again.

[bobbiemcgee]

@TyriqueJones_ missed most of the second half v. UC because of tendinitis in his knees. At times it has kept him out of practice but he looks good today. - Shannon

[X-man]

@TyriqueJones_ missed most of the second half v. UC because of tendinitis in his knees. At times it has kept him out of practice but he looks good today. - Shannon

I saw Tyrique signal, when he was on the floor, that he wanted a blow during the first half of the Shootout. It sounds like the tendinitis must have flared up, and so a little rest is just what the doctor ordered.

[GIMMFD]

I saw Tyrique signal, when he was on the floor, that he wanted a blow during the first half of the Shootout. It sounds like the tendinitis must have flared up, and so a little rest is just what the doctor ordered.

I would have just injected him with morphine and told him to get back out there to be honest.

[BandAid]

I would have just injected him with morphine and told him to get back out there to be honest.

And have him turn out like Miss Havisham? No thank you.

[GIMMFD]

And have him turn out like Miss Havisham? No thank you.

Never would I ever have thought Great Expectations would somehow re-enter my life via my love for Xavier basketball.

[American X]

A year ago, Tyrique misses half of the shots he is taking. His improvement in finishing is remarkable.

[markchal]

Also, his FT shooting was atrocious and now it's pretty reliable for a big. Really remarkable progress in just a year. His injury issues are unfortunate, and there's stiff competition at that position, but man the kid can play and he has some confidence now and I am so impressed.

[xu82]

A year ago, Tyrique misses half of the shots he is taking. His improvement in finishing is remarkable.

He’s not only learned to finish, he’s learned to stay out of foul trouble and on the floor so he can finish....amazing progress!!!

[xuwin]

He’s not only learned to finish, he’s learned to stay out of foul trouble and on the floor so he can finish....amazing progress!!!

It doesn't hurt that Xavier has 15 fouls to give at the center position this year from 3 quality players. Foul trouble is not so much of a problem this year.

[deepX]

He’s not only learned to finish, he’s learned to stay out of foul trouble and on the floor so he can finish....amazing progress!!!


He has MOSTLY learned to stay of foul trouble. Last night fortunately was an exception. The FT improvement for him and Sean from early last year to now is just amazing!

-deepX

[GIMMFD]

He has MOSTLY learned to stay of foul trouble. Last night fortunately was an exception. The FT improvement for him and Sean from early last year to now is just amazing!

-deepX

I honestly thought their FT percentages were getting better towards March last year, and in the tournaments, which has carried over. I have to hand it to them, I respect that they put in the time to improve in areas of their game like that, that's a very significant thing down the stretch.

[XfansinKy]

9.8ppg 6rpg Those are great numbers considering he is sharing the position with Sean and Kanter.

[American X]

Canned Protein continues to lead the Big East in Field Goal Percentage.


https://i.imgur.com/K3wmsv7.gif

[American X]

Good to see Tryique getting back into a groove.

Who had the Xavier ices game in OT with clutch Tyrique Jones free throw shooting prop bet?

[muskiefan82]

Good to see Tryique getting back into a groove.

Who had the Xavier ices game in OT with clutch Tyrique Jones free throw shooting prop bet?

The same guy who picked St. Johns to beat Duke straight up. (in truth though, I'm not that surprised)

[deepX]

Good to see Tryique getting back into a groove.

Who had the Xavier ices game in OT with clutch Tyrique Jones free throw shooting prop bet?

But Tyrique was playing some very bad defense in the first half, which was evident when I re-watched the game yesterday.

[xufan2020]

Is he hurt? Or is it just Omara and Kanter playing so well?

[X Factor]

Is he hurt? Or is it just Omara and Kanter playing so well?

Banged his shoulder in practice last week. Should be back for Seton Hall.

[Cheesehead]

At coach show Thursday, Mack said MRI was negative and it's really a matter of comfort level/pain tolerance at this point.

[Xuperman]

Time to resurrect this thread ! Very apropos based on last night and what we saw in the exhibition.....absolute beast. His stats per minutes played are ridiculous and he plays with the most energy on the team. If he can be coached to foul less and approach 30 MPG, he leads the team in scoring and rebounds.....BIG "IF"!

[GoMuskies]

absolute beast

Good Lord. I was frightened FOR those poor IUPUI interior guys, and I was just watching on TV!

[bjf123]

He’s clearly quicker with the weight loss. I don’t think he gets those two steals last year. Should be exciting to see him continue getting better.


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[Xuperman]

Wow!! The second coming of DWest...19/20/4 with only ONE FOUL. When is the last time a Muskie dominated the boards like that! In only 29 minutes he nearly bested the Aces entire team.....beat them 9-3 on the O glass. I think we will look back and remember this as his breakout game.....a legend is born. I love how he plays angry with a smile!!

[joe titan]

Wow!! The second coming of DWest...19/20/4 with only ONE FOUL. When is the last time a Muskie dominated the boards like that! In only 29 minutes he nearly bested the Aces entire team.....beat them 9-3 on the O glass. I think we will look back and remember this as his breakout game.....a legend is born. I love how he plays angry with a smile!!

Travis Taylor's monster *night in win over No. 16/15 St. Louis: 19 pts., 19 reb. & 6 blk March 2013.

[Muskie]

I was most impressed that he only had one foul. That's the kind of play we need.

[GIMMFD]

I was most impressed that he only had one foul. That's the kind of play we need.

Yup if he can stay out of foul trouble, Rique will be incredible this season. He's shown a lot of growth looking slimmer, and is very athletic obviously. I doubt he sustains those numbers, but it's promising so far in the season, especially since we have Hankins to add in the mix as well.

[bjf123]

He does need to watch it on the dunks. On a couple of them, he showboated a little with a bit of a pull up on the rim. The refs have stared at him a bit afterwards like they’re thinking about throwing a T his way.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

He does need to watch it on the dunks. On a couple of them, he showboated a little with a bit of a pull up on the rim. The refs have stared at him a bit afterwards like they’re thinking about throwing a T his way.


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I dont think so at all. Several of the are so violent and the one was from so far away he needs to hang for a minute just to get his balance to safely land. That is perfectly legal.

[GoMuskies]

I dont think so at all. Several of the are so violent and the one was from so far away he needs to hang for a minute just to get his balance to safely land. That is perfectly legal.

Yeah, he's doing more than that. I don't really care, but a few years ago he'd have been kicked out of both games. Luckily they don't call that like they used to.

[scoscox]

Just the ones he’s done so far I think he’s genuinely just trying to buy time to look around and make sure there’s room to land

[paulxu]

Just curious. Tyrique had, according to ESPN, 20 rebounds.

What's the most rebounds in one game by a Xavier player?

[xukeith]

Just curious. Tyrique had, according to ESPN, 20 rebounds.

What's the most rebounds in one game by a Xavier player?

West had 21 playing GW.

[paulxu]

DfW !

[muskiefan82]

Just curious. Tyrique had, according to ESPN, 20 rebounds.

What's the most rebounds in one game by a Xavier player?

It had to have been Bob Pelkington

[bobbiemcgee]

It had to have been Bob Pelkington

Bob "the Bird" Pelkington led the nation in rebounds his Senior year averaging 21.8 per game. Died in 2016.

[paulxu]

If you "average" 21/game...you probably have some games well above that.

[noteggs]

If you "average" 21/game...you probably have some games well above that.

I’m going out on a limb and say you’re probably right

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just the ones he’s done so far I think he’s genuinely just trying to buy time to look around and make sure there’s room to land

Thats what I think as well. Is he screaming during and after it as well, of course. But purely from a hanging on the rim too long and warranting a T, I dont see that at all.

[GoMuskies]

Tyrique was chained tonight.

[xukeith]

Tyrique was chained tonight.

Austin Wiley 6'11 center for Auburn is better than Happ. Look out X frontline!!

[XMuskieFTW]

Austin Wiley 6'11 center for Auburn is better than Happ. Look out X frontline!!

No. Just no.

[whopper]

We used to be able to pencil in 20 for Tre, 14 JP, 12 Kanter, and so on last year. This year we are going to see large variations from game to game. Tyrique and Zach should be able to average 16 and 12 combined easily but with huge game to game differences. If we don't have 36 from Naj, Scruggs and Q combined it will be difficult for the numbers to work. I really think that all the players should lay off reading the media which necessarily inflates their egos (they are not going to write an article about Q's 3 pt prowess or Welages physicality) and realize that every game is 0-0 and Zion Williamson is just another player.

[xukeith]

We used to be able to pencil in 20 for Tre, 14 JP, 12 Kanter, and so on last year. This year we are going to see large variations from game to game. Tyrique and Zach should be able to average 16 and 12 combined easily but with huge game to game differences. If we don't have 40 from Naj, Scruggs and Q combined it will be difficult for the numbers to work. I really think that all the players should lay off reading the media which necessarily inflates their egos (they are not going to write an article about Q's 3 pt prowess or Welages physicality) and realize that every game is 0-0 and Zion Williamson is just another player.

Kanter was not reliable until mid January then he woke up.
The grad transfers will take time.
Until January , X is as good as Q, Tyrique, Scruggs, and Naji carry them. Can these 4 buy into defense?

[Lloyd Braun]

Austin Wiley 6'11 center for Auburn is better than Happ. Look out X frontline!!

I would disagree with this statement. Wiley missed all of last year, had a foot injury last month, and is just getting acclimated to playing competitive b-ball again. He might play 15-20 minutes (don’t think he has started a game yet this year) and can be effective but Happ is a terrible matchup for Tyrique.

[Xuperman]

Perfect time to dust off this thread, he certainly was “unchained” yesterday. Agent Zero looked like DWest as he completely dismantled Nate Watson as the sold out crowd watched in horror.....he’s a BAD MAN! Looking forward to him conjuring up some more nightmares for the opposition going forward, especially vs SJU. I think we sweep them with Tyrique off the chain.

[XfansinKy]

Big improvement year after year.

[UCGRAD4X]

Are they going to mention every game how much weight he lost?

[xuwin]

I'm very impressed with the improvement that Tyrique has made, but, he does have to improve his range outward past a slam dunk if he has aspirations to compete in the NBA.

[Xuperman]

Are they going to mention every game how much weight he lost?

Yes...unless he becomes an Uber driver.

[xukeith]

I'm very impressed with the improvement that Tyrique has made, but, he does have to improve his range outward past a slam dunk if he has aspirations to compete in the NBA.

he would have to dribble penetrate and launch consistent 3's to get an NBA look.

[GIMMFD]

he would have to dribble penetrate and launch consistent 3's to get an NBA look.

Agreed, but he may be able to carve out a good career in Europe if he keeps progressing at this rate

[Muskie]

So... how is it that Tyrique has gotten better but in other threads I read nobody has improved under Steele.

It’s clear Tyrique has put the time in on his workouts and free throw shooting. I also think Steele’s game planning has made him more of an option.


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[xukeith]

Agreed, but he may be able to carve out a good career in Europe if he keeps progressing at this rate

Agree 100%

[whopper]

just watched nice special on Tyrique and his late dad on Foxsports..is from Conn as I am. Well done. Also Kyky Tandy mentioned as best of the rest of Big East Recruits after the 2 Nova guys.

[Juice]

I'm very impressed with the improvement that Tyrique has made, but, he does have to improve his range outward past a slam dunk if he has aspirations to compete in the NBA.

He's way too short. At his height he's going to need to develop a 3 point shot.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Are they going to mention every game how much weight he lost?

Did you hear Matt Stainbrook is an uber driver?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yes...unless he becomes an Uber driver.

Ah beat me to it. Didn't see this before I posted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Agreed, but he may be able to carve out a good career in Europe if he keeps progressing at this rate

Oh for sure.

I know of people who played div 2 and 3 who had good careers overseas.

Jones has really be playing well. We need to keep feeding him and Hankins in the post as the season finishes out.

[xu82]

Did you hear Matt Stainbrook is an uber driver?

What? Really?

Why didn’t we know about this sooner?

[D-West & PO-Z]

What? Really?

Why didn’t we know about this sooner?

Dunno, kept waiting for a story or two about it but never got one. Weird.

[scoscox]

He's way too short. At his height he's going to need to develop a 3 point shot.

not even a three point shot, but a reliable midrange j. that jumper gave david west a very long career.

[scoscox]

just watched nice special on Tyrique and his late dad on Foxsports..is from Conn as I am. Well done. Also Kyky Tandy mentioned as best of the rest of Big East Recruits after the 2 Nova guys.

very nice. we need to find a way to get his mom to every game if he plays how he did against Prov

[Juice]

not even a three point shot, but a reliable midrange j. that jumper gave david west a very long career.

That would definitely help. I just think Power forwards/stretch forwards/4s or whatever are being asked to have longer range on their shot as the game has changed since West first got in the league.

[scoscox]

That would definitely help. I just think Power forwards/stretch forwards/4s or whatever are being asked to have longer range on their shot as the game has changed since West first got in the league.

Baby steps. If he can't become a knockdown 3 point shooter, and D West never really did, at the very least you need a reliable mid range game

[Juice]

Baby steps. If he can't become a knockdown 3 point shooter, and D West never really did, at the very least you need a reliable mid range game

Agreed. No way he's going from a dunker and baby hook guy to 3 point shooter overnight. I just don't think he develops either, which is fine because he will make lots of money Europe.

[Xuperman]

He's way too short. At his height he's going to need to develop a 3 point shot.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rodmade01.html

I disagree. All he has to do is morph into The Worm. Buy some dresses and start acting like a nut! It’s 2019, the age of Trump, there’s gotta be a place in the NBA for BEAST on the boards LUNATIC...they need him.

[scoscox]

Agreed. No way he's going from a dunker and baby hook guy to 3 point shooter overnight. I just don't think he develops either, which is fine because he will make lots of money Europe.

I agree

[xuwin]

Oh for sure.

I know of people who played div 2 and 3 who had good careers overseas.

Jones has really be playing well. We need to keep feeding him and Hankins in the post as the season finishes out.

Agreed and when they are both in the game at the same time they need to learn to feed each other better because when one gets the ball and they collapse on him the other one is usually open.

[Snipe]

Of all of our Muskies I am proudest of the progress that Tyrique has made this season.

To me it was never his play, which was always at a high level. It was his level of fouls. I did love his intensity, and frankly last year we had such a deep rotation that I didn't mind if he had 4 fouls in 18 minutes because he was only going to play around that much anyway. I like the fact that he was using that big strong body to bang our opponents in the time he got, so I kind of encouraged it.

But this year we really needed him to be on the court for large portions of the game. It was an adjustment for him, and he struggled at times, but he has come through in flying colors. He is definitely the favorite for MVP of the team right now in my estimation. Hell, I think our two best players are our big men, in Hankins and Jones, and I would put them up against any big men in the league.

Props to Tyrique. He has had an incredible year, and I will be very glad to have him back as a senior. That guys is tits.

[UCGRAD4X]

With the big question mark behind him, it is going to me important for him not only to be huge for us (which I too expect he will) - but also stay out of foul trouble.

I do hope a grad transfer (more likely) or freshman (less likely) provides some quality minutes. Even if we could depend on this, which we can not, nobody will have the experience with this team and the Big East and come close to matching what Agent Zero, Tyrique the Frique, Mr. Jones brings to the table.

[hydmuskie]

That is my concern as well. 2 years from now we will all be complaining about having 'no bigs' as Georgetown and Nova and Seton Hall and Providence dominate the paint. Tyrique is going to be that big that we only truly value when he has graduated and playing in Europe somewhere. He is already my favorite player on this team and the one that best exudes 'the Xavier way'.

[scoscox]

Feel like he is pretty well valued by most fans. And I hope we won’t be complaining about that. We’re bringing in three freshman bigs. I expect them to take up the mantle

[Xuperman]

Feel like he is pretty well valued by most fans. And I hope we won’t be complaining about that. We’re bringing in three freshman bigs. I expect them to take up the mantle

What’s NOT to like? He is, has and always will be a true ELITE rebounder. Easily will grab 200+ for the season. All 3 fresh will greatly benefit from the year they are fortunate to spend with him. Here is a fact on Mr. Jones that I bet people don’t realize....he LEADS THE TEAM in FT attempts!

[XfansinKy]

He's way too short. At his height he's going to need to develop a 3 point shot.

Same thing that was said about Draymond Green

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Same thing that was said about Draymond Green

Two players that couldn’t be more different.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Same thing that was said about Draymond Green

Except Green attempted 3.0 and 3.6 threes per game his junior and senior year and shot 36.6% and 38.8% from three in those years.

[MITTENMUSKIE16]

Except Green attempted 3.0 and 3.6 threes per game his junior and senior year and shot 36.6% and 38.8% from three in those years.

and essentially played point for those teams.

[GoMuskies]

I think Jones might be a better three point shooter than Green at this point. Last Warriors game I watched, the Jazz left him unguarded and begged him to shoot.

[XfansinKy]

Except Green attempted 3.0 and 3.6 threes per game his junior and senior year and shot 36.6% and 38.8% from three in those years.

How much does he do that now? I don't have time to look it up.

[XfansinKy]

Except Green attempted 3.0 and 3.6 threes per game his junior and senior year and shot 36.6% and 38.8% from three in those years.

Can you look up Dejuan Blair's stats for me too? He was supposed to be too short at 6'7.

[Xuperman]

Who the “F” cares about Draymon Green or anybody else....THIS IS A TYRIQUE JONES THREAD!
19 AND 15.....GTFO...:rtfm:

[Juice]

Can you look up Dejuan Blair's stats for me too? He was supposed to be too short at 6'7.

Dejuan Blair only played two years in college. He was a co-Big East player of the year, 1st team All American, and finished 2nd in the voting for AP player of the year. And he was out of the NBA by age 25-26.

[Xuperman]

Dejuan Blair only played two years in college. He was a co-Big East player of the year, 1st team All American, and finished 2nd in the voting for AP player of the year. And he was out of the NBA by age 25-26.

Juice....WHY? Blair? Who cares....this is a TYRIQUE JONES THREAD.

[xdude]

Big Homie was a stud again tonight. Double double in the first half. This team seems to be beginning to gel.

[Muskie4106]

Jones is our X FACTOR - he scores 12 points or more with 10+ rebounds we are not losing!

[sirthought]

I think this kind of play from Jones has been here all along. He has his limitations, but Coach Steele seems to be teaching guys better plays to set Jones up for success. Either with a drive and drop off, or just clearing Jones' side of the floor with a mismatch, we're seeing much more of that these past few games. Before the guards would either attempt their own shot or pass out before giving it to Jones within a drive. And with Mack it sometimes seemed Jones was left on his own to create everything or solely rely on putbacks. I don't think he excels that way nearly as much.

It's exciting to watch Jones and Hankins get the opportunity to really be a focus.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jones and Hankins also had a couple nice passes to each other in the paint last night. That is hard to stop if they are both in and one can pass out of a double team to the other in the paint.

[SemajParlor]

Anyone remember Kevin Jones at West Virginia ? Early 2010ish range?

Kevin shot more from the outside than Tyrique but they remind me of each other. Beasts.

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently Tyrique rolled his ankle late in the game and was playing with a lot of pain. Any news if he plays tmrw?

Hopefully he can jump off of one foot.

[bobbiemcgee]

Shannon Russell


Great news for
@XavierMBB
tonight: Senior Tyrique Jones is good to go, per Travis Steele. That day off between games must have alleviated his ankle-roll issue.


This is indeed great news!

[IM4X]

This is a thread I thought needed to be dug up and dusted off.

The senior leadership has officially arrived. He is doing what he knows needs to be done and his teammates are responding.

Way to go Mr. Jones!

[xeus]

You know, I've never liked the title of this thread.

There's something uncomfortable about the reference to a Black man being described as behaving as if he were "unchained."

Discuss.

[mid major]

Tyrique Uprising

[atljar]

You know, I've never liked the title of this thread.
There's something uncomfortable about the reference to a Black man being described as behaving as if he were "unchained."
Discuss.

Unleashed? Freed? Unhinged? Unshackled?


There is absolutely no racial undertones stated or implied with what was written. Everyone is so damn sensitive and tries to assign meaning when there is none.

What does it mean? It means hes a beast!

[GoMuskies]

I think it's because Tyrique's middle name is Django.

[xeus]

There is absolutely no racial undertones stated or implied with what was written. Everyone is so damn sensitive and tries to assign meaning when there is none.

Well, there might not be any meaning to a white guy from Mason, but if you really think there are "absolutely no racial undertones" to "unleashed" "unchained" or "unshackled" when used to describe a Black person, you might need a reflection session.

[atljar]

Well, there might not be any meaning to a white guy from Mason, but if you really think there are "absolutely no racial undertones" to "unleashed" "unchained" or "unshackled" when used to describe a Black person, you might need a reflection session.

Again, you are assigning meaning when there is none. The context of the conversation is Tyrique being beastly, unstoppable. In this context, unchained is perfectly fine.

And now Im white because I live in Mason... Ill be sure to let my parents know.

[xeus]

Now Im white because I live in Mason?

No, I guessed you as white because of your comments. Are you not? Are you famous 700WLW caller "Glen from Mason"?

[94GRAD]

No, I guessed you as white because of your comments. Are you not? Are you famous 700WLW caller "Glen from Mason"?

I thought he was black

[xeus]

I thought he was black

Glen is Black. xeus is white. Not sure about ATLJAR...

[chico]

This thread is getting unchained.

[atljar]

No clue who Glen is so no comment.

But I do find it overly amusing that you try to be so politically correct and sensitive, and then make directly racially profiled stereotype comments to me based on where I live.

[xeus]

But I do find it overly amusing that you try to be so politically correct and sensitive, and then make directly racially profiled stereotype comments to me based on where I live.

As I stated previously, I profiled you based on your tone-deaf comments. It's just an added bonus that you live in Mason:

https://www.journal-news.com/news/local-education/mason-middle-school-hit-another-racial-incident/VCFsGlv6vmJE7zsRVlFnZN/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/video-social-media-shows-another-racist-incident-mason-schools/mHvqh03oUVnmBwAKUAg80K/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/local-education/mason-schools-leader-warns-community-uptick-racist-comments/gRwSdAzAUGezslrcv02dCM/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/mason-teacher-who-made-lynch-comment-black-student-administrative-leave/xPLe7HXyM2pmUGmHKbSQXN/

[atljar]

See again, this is the problem that you arent perceiving. Your line of thinking is exactly what is wrong with this country. I must be white because I live in a predominantly white area? And I must be racist and condone the activities/comments of others that live in my area of town simply because they live 5 miles down the street? This is stereotyping 101. You are guilty.

Guess what reality is? There is no connection to my skin color and the area that I live, or on my thoughts. As soon as America can comprehend this line of thinking, race will be nothing, because skin color isnt important. Racial importance is propagated the majority of the time, like in this case, by those who simply think something should be offensive. You add artificial importance to it by telling me (or original poster) that we shouldnt say that because it might offend person XYZ and this in the end only perpetuates racial issues. The original post had no racial undertones or meaning. It isnt offensive, nor was it meant to be offensive in the context given. So dont put offense into it to stir the pot. As soon as America can stop being so irrationally sensitive and assigning hate to normal language, we will thrive.


No more from me, wont respond.

[Xavier]

^^^wtf??

[Xville]

As I stated previously, I profiled you based on your tone-deaf comments. It's just an added bonus that you live in Mason:

https://www.journal-news.com/news/local-education/mason-middle-school-hit-another-racial-incident/VCFsGlv6vmJE7zsRVlFnZN/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/video-social-media-shows-another-racist-incident-mason-schools/mHvqh03oUVnmBwAKUAg80K/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/local-education/mason-schools-leader-warns-community-uptick-racist-comments/gRwSdAzAUGezslrcv02dCM/

https://www.journal-news.com/news/mason-teacher-who-made-lynch-comment-black-student-administrative-leave/xPLe7HXyM2pmUGmHKbSQXN/

So basically you are profiling an entire area of cincinnati based on a couple of idiots? You are as big of a problem as what you are accusing atljar for. Pretty sure you need to take a look in the mirror.

For the record, in my opinion, atljar is completely correct.

[xeus]

See again, this is the problem that you arent perceiving. Your line of thinking is exactly what is wrong with this country. I must be white because I live in a predominantly white area? And I must be racist and condone the activities/comments of others that live in my area of town simply because they live 5 miles down the street? This is stereotyping 101. You are guilty.

I think poor reading comprehension is what's wrong with this country. And you are guilty. This is now the third time I have mentioned that it was your comments, not your neighborhood, that allowed me to identify you as a white dude. Also, I never called you racist, Mr. Sensitive. I called you tone-deaf.



Guess what reality is? There is no connection to my skin color and the area that I live, or on my thoughts. As soon as America can comprehend this line of thinking, race will be nothing, because skin color isnt important. Racial importance is propagated the majority of the time, like in this case, by those who simply think something should be offensive. You add artificial importance to it by telling me (or original poster) that we shouldnt say that because it might offend person XYZ and this in the end only perpetuates racial issues.

"Skin color isn't important" might be the whitest thing you've said yet. And I didn't tell anyone not to say anything. I know American X, and I know he's a man of good will. I spoke only from my perspective as it relates to the use of "unchained" to describe a Black man's behavior. It wasn't meant to offend you, or disturb your comfort bubble.



The original post had no racial undertones or meaning. It isnt offensive, nor was it meant to be offensive in the context given. So dont put offense into it to stir the pot. As soon as America can stop being so irrationally sensitive and assigning hate to normal language, we will thrive.

As soon as white people can stop pretending that they get to decide whether something is or is not offensive to people of color, then maybe we'll be getting somewhere. You are free to disagree without either of us being labeled irrational, don't you think? And I never assigned hate - I commented that I don't like the title of the thread, and that there's something uncomfortable to me about the phrasing. The YOU got all sensitive and offended by my apparent "political correctness." So there.

[xu koop scoop]

See again, this is the problem that you arent perceiving. Your line of thinking is exactly what is wrong with this country. I must be white because I live in a predominantly white area? And I must be racist and condone the activities/comments of others that live in my area of town simply because they live 5 miles down the street? This is stereotyping 101. You are guilty.

Guess what reality is? There is no connection to my skin color and the area that I live, or on my thoughts. As soon as America can comprehend this line of thinking, race will be nothing, because skin color isnt important. Racial importance is propagated the majority of the time, like in this case, by those who simply think something should be offensive. You add artificial importance to it by telling me (or original poster) that we shouldnt say that because it might offend person XYZ and this in the end only perpetuates racial issues. The original post had no racial undertones or meaning. It isnt offensive, nor was it meant to be offensive in the context given. So dont put offense into it to stir the pot. As soon as America can stop being so irrationally sensitive and assigning hate to normal language, we will thrive.


No more from me, wont respond.

The thread is Tyrique Unchained. He is playing Monster Basketball in his Sr season at XU. Lets chain the thread to original subject.

[Xville]

I think poor reading comprehension is what's wrong with this country. And you are guilty. This is now the third time I have mentioned that it was your comments, not your neighborhood, that allowed me to identify you as a white dude. Also, I never called you racist, Mr. Sensitive. I called you tone-deaf.




"Skin color isn't important" might be the whitest thing you've said yet. And I didn't tell anyone not to say anything. I know American X, and I know he's a man of good will. I spoke only from my perspective as it relates to the use of "unchained" to describe a Black man's behavior. It wasn't meant to offend you, or disturb your comfort bubble.




As soon as white people can stop pretending that they get to decide whether something is or is not offensive to people of color, then maybe we'll be getting somewhere. You are free to disagree without either of us being labeled irrational, don't you think? And I never assigned hate - I commented that I don't like the title of the thread, and that there's something uncomfortable to me about the phrasing. The YOU got all sensitive and offended by my apparent "political correctness." So there.

Come on man...who are you trying to convince that you meant nothing by the from mason comment? You or other people on the board?

[xeus]

So basically you are profiling an entire area of cincinnati based on a couple of idiots? You are as big of a problem as what you are accusing atljar for. Pretty sure you need to take a look in the mirror.

I profiled Altjar based on his comments, not his neighborhood. And by "profiling" I mean that I was able to guess that he's white.

I actually didn't profile Mason. You are free to draw your own conclusions from those news stories.

[Xville]

I profiled Altjar based on his comments, not his neighborhood. And by "profiling" I mean that I was able to guess that he's white.

I actually didn't profile Mason. You are free to draw your own conclusions from those news stories.

Not sure what those news stories had to do with anything other than profiling an entire area based on a couple of idiots.

Back to the original point of the thread...love seeing Tyrique putting together that senior type of season we have seen so many times from past greats!

[Xuperman]

I would love to hear how Tu's "Gangsta's in that lockerroom" would play in the hypersensitive age of white guilt. We seem to have someone with his finger on the pulse.

[X-band '01]

I would love to hear how Tu's "Gangsta's in that lockerroom" would play in the hypersensitive age of white guilt. We seem to have someone with his finger on the pulse.

Umm, did you sleep during the 2011-12 season?

[GoMuskies]

My fantasy football team the next year was called Gangstas not Thugs. I'm not sure how everyone else in the league felt about it, but it amused me.

[xu koop scoop]

Tyrique Jones was Unchained at start of Junior year as O'Mara & Kantner kept his playing time (Chained) down as a Sophmore. . He seemed to be Unchained as a Junior - until Zach Hankins put some Chain back on him. Now as a Senior he is truly Unchained & hopefully finishes year averaging a double-double. I sure wish Ramsey would finally play as we can certainly use another bigger body in case Unchained Jones gets in Foul Trouble.

[xeus]

Tyrique Jones was Unchained at start of Junior year as O'Mara & Kantner kept his playing time (Chained) down as a Sophmore. . He seemed to be Unchained as a Junior - until Zach Hankins put some Chain back on him. Now as a Senior he is truly Unchained & hopefully finishes year averaging a double-double. I sure wish Ramsey would finally play as we can certainly use another bigger body in case Unchained Jones gets in Foul Trouble.

How can you be so obtuse?

[mid major]

If only Tyrique were Asian. :)

[MADXSTER]

Tyrique may not be Asian but he is definitely Xavier BLUE

[XUBison]

If only Tyrique were Asian. :)

well, you never know how he self-identifies…

[KFX]

Agree 100% with xeus. Inappropriate title. Why not just rename the thread?

Oh and I’m a white guy on the east coast if that matters.

[BigMoeMusketeer]

Agree 100% with xeus. Inappropriate title. Why not just rename the thread?


Agreed, the optics are bad.

[Muskie in dayton]

Agree 100% with xeus. Inappropriate title. Why not just rename the thread?

Oh and I’m a white guy on the east coast if that matters.

I’ve read this thread title for over a year and not once did any connotations to slavery cross my mind. There is clearly no intent to be offensive. Furthermore, starting shit like this only makes a problem where there isn’t one. The world would be a lot better off if we stopped making up problems. Especially white guys from the east coast.

[Double Down]

How about unleashed? He has been a real beast on the glass as of late or does that make him sound like an animal? People are too sensitive these days. How about a window cleaner cause he’s really cleaning the glass. Does this offend those who are window cleaners?

[XU 87]

How can you be so obtuse?

What did you call him?

https://vimeo.com/85825471

[KFX]

I’ve read this thread title for over a year and not once did any connotations to slavery cross my mind. There is clearly no intent to be offensive. Furthermore, starting shit like this only makes a problem where there isn’t one. The world would be a lot better off if we stopped making up problems. Especially white guys from the east coast.

That's your view. Obviously, others hold different views. Whether it was intended to be offensive - and I would give any X fan the benefit of the doubt -- is beside the point. The point is, it is insensitive. It uses the word "unchained" with respect to an African American Xavier student athlete. The connotation is that at one point the young man was "chained" which in turn connotes captivity. Simple logic. Not sure why you mention my race and where I live. I only offered it because I wanted to show that the title of the post can be offensive to all people. Finally, in defense of xeus, he raised the issue in an entirely legitimate and rational manner. So contrary to "causing problems" perhaps we are just trying to improve the board. Is it that difficult to change the title of the thread?

[xavier513]

I'm no SJW, but I always thought the title of this thread was a direct reference to the movie Django Unchained. If you don't know what that movie is about, well I guess you should go and google it. Bad optics for sure, despite what the intentions were.

[atljar]

The point is, it is insensitive. It uses the word "unchained" with respect to an African American Xavier student athlete.

Just a quick question... More or less insensitive to calling someone African American, who is not African American? You know just because someone has dark skin doesnt make them African american.

[KFX]

Just a quick question... More or less insensitive to calling someone African American, who is not African American? You know just because someone has dark skin doesnt make them African american.

Happy to be corrected on this point. Please advise...

[BandDad]

How can you be so obtuse?

You shouldn't call people fat!

[KFX]

funny. xeus is now body shaming. time for another thread!

[atljar]

Happy to be corrected on this point. Please advise...
His mom is from Jamaica and his dad from the Bahamas

[bjf123]

Just a quick question... More or less insensitive to calling someone African American, who is not African American? You know just because someone has dark skin doesnt make them African american.

While African American has become the apparent preferred term, it doesn’t always make sense. If any of you follow Formula 1 racing, the top driver is currently Lewis Hamilton, a Brit who’s also Black. Years ago, when he won his first race, the headline is a US publication heralded him as the first African American to win an F1 race. Excuse me? I guess they just couldn’t use the term Black, so even though he’s not American, he was called an African American. Makes no sense.


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[KFX]

His mom is from Jamaica and his dad from the Bahamas

Got it. Thanks for pointing that out.

[SM#24]

New thread title should be #fakeoffended

[Smooth]

This is a thread I thought needed to be dug up and dusted off.

The senior leadership has officially arrived. He is doing what he knows needs to be done and his teammates are responding.

Way to go Mr. Jones!

I agree with this post and nothing after it.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

How about unleashed? He has been a real beast on the glass as of late or does that make him sound like an animal? People are too sensitive these days. How about a window cleaner cause he’s really cleaning the glass. Does this offend those who are window cleaners?

Are you nuts? "Unleased" like "Unchained" implies a master/slave relationship. And, while "unchained" may be associated specifically with the pre Civil War institution of slavery, "unleashed" carries no such historical association. Since it can be identified with current practices (like dog walking", using that word may be even worse than "unchained". In fact, both words are so bad and, at their core, so racist, lets not even use them. Rather, let's refer to them as the "U" words.

But, this thread is even more egregious than first noted. The title of this thread refers to Mr. Jones by only his first name, Tyrique. That also is a manifestation of the institutional racism which permeates this board. Do we refer to Travis Steele, a Caucasian, as "Travis"? Of course not. He is "Travis Steele", "Coach Steele" or "Steele". Mr. Jones is owed the same courtesy.

Therefore, I propose we re-title this thread to "Mr. Tyrique Jones no longer deferring success". Has a certain cache doesn't it? And, it should pass the sniff test of those intellectuals on this board who understand (unlike Muskie in Dayton) that race is the first derivative of EVERYTHING.

I feel much better if we change the title of this thread immediately. But, that is not enough. AmericanX, and Muskie in Dayton (and myself because, like Muskie in Dayton the racist invective inherent in this thread's title never occurred to me)-----all of us need sensitivity training.

[scoscox]

Sensitivity training? Doug, kick him off the tour!