Game Thread: Xavier v. Seton Hall (February 1, 2017) Big East Game #9

[Muskie]

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Xavier Musketeers vs. Seton Hall Pirates

February 1, 2017
Game Time: 9:00pm ET
Cintas Center | Cincinnati, Ohio
TV: FS1
Radio:
700WLW (https://www.iheart.com/live/700wlw-1713/?autoplay=true&pname=1209&campid=header&cid=index.html)
Live Stats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/xavier/mbball/)
Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

[Muskie]

One Game at a Time begins tomorrow.

[blueblob06]

Don't forget it's Byron Larkin Bobblehead night! Only the first 3,000 lucky fans will get one.

Muskie - your preview says "Creighton Blue Jays" in the first post.

[XUMIOH12]

well this game should be interesting at least. See how it goes for an entire game with just one actual PG.

[xufan2434]

Gus and Bill on the call. Everyone's gotta step up and do their part. Even with the loss of Ed, main focus has to still be on rebounding. Delgado and company have killed X on the glass the last couple meetings.

Malcolm/Kaiser are gonna have to bring it defensively on Desi Rodriguez or else they're not going to have a chance

[xu82]

well this game should be interesting at least. See how it goes for an entire game with just one actual PG.

Did we miss the trade deadline?

I hope Q is getting his rest. A lot more ball handling for Trevon and (GULP!) JP.

[Muskie]

JP or Bernard on the back up duties for PG. Most likely JP.

[sirthought]

Just curious... can Stainbrook or one of the walk-ons play point at all? I'm not opposed to having a better ball handler out there for a couple minutes to give someone a breather.

JP just makes too many stupid/inaccurate passes.

[AviatorX]

Gus and Bill on the call. Everyone's gotta step up and do their part. Even with the loss of Ed, main focus has to still be on rebounding. Delgado and company have killed X on the glass the last couple meetings.

Malcolm/Kaiser are gonna have to bring it defensively on Desi Rodriguez or else they're not going to have a chance

Honestly Desi really really torched the 1-3-1 more than anything. Especially with Whitehead gone and Desi likely getting a heavy dose of Malcolm/Kaiser, I'm not as worried about him as I used to be.

[XMuskieFTW]

Just curious... can Stainbrook or one of the walk-ons play point at all? I'm not opposed to having a better ball handler out there for a couple minutes to give someone a breather.

JP just makes too many stupid/inaccurate passes.

The only walk on I would trust on the floor at all is Stainbrook. Fairly certain he plays the 3 though.

[XUMIOH12]

Just curious... can Stainbrook or one of the walk-ons play point at all? I'm not opposed to having a better ball handler out there for a couple minutes to give someone a breather.

JP just makes too many stupid/inaccurate passes.

is that a serious question?

[bigdiggins]

I was gifted some lower bowl seats and have my two season tickets I can't use tomorrow. Anyone wants them for free PM me.

[sirthought]

I was gifted some lower bowl seats and have my two season tickets I can't use tomorrow. Anyone wants them for free PM me.

Message sent

[XMuskieFTW]

Opening line was -6.5. Seems extremely high. I was thinking it'd be around 3 or 4

[GoMuskies]

Opening line was -6.5. Seems extremely high. I was thinking it'd be around 3 or 4

Seton Hall ML. Can't lose bet (because if you lose, you still win).

[bobbiemcgee]

Q and Bernard need to step up. Need big minutes. Hope the Running Man throwbacks work.

[XfansinKy]

I watched Q play through high school at Taylor co. He was by far the best, most athletic player in Ky.(40" vertical) The guy that beat him for Mr Basketball is playing at NKU. Anyway, Q is a big, strong, pass first PG at times who sets up offenses unless he has a mismatch. Im looking for him to have a solid game, considering it's at home and he will be relaxed and not worrying about being pulled for making a mistake. I'm predicting an X win, some really sharp offensive sets with Q as an effective floor general, and nice numbers that will include a nasty dunk.

[American X]

That Running Man warm-up jacket is totally fly. Are they going to be wearing those warm-ups also? More importantly, will they go up for auction also?

http://goxavier.com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_prefix=rp_primary&image_path=/images/2017/1/31/Larkin_celebration_72.jpg

[xufan2434]

I watched Q play through high school at Taylor co. He was by far the best, most athletic player in Ky.(40" vertical) The guy that beat him for Mr Basketball is playing at NKU. Anyway, Q is a big, strong, pass first PG at times who sets up offenses unless he has a mismatch. Im looking for him to have a solid game, considering it's at home and he will be relaxed and not worrying about being pulled for making a mistake. I'm predicting an X win, some really sharp offensive sets with Q as an effective floor general, and nice numbers that will include a nasty dunk.

Completely agree with this assessment. What I've like most about him the last couple games is that he hasn't panicked and shown a lot of composure. Outside of when I think Lovett picked his pocket at half court, he hasn't really made a mistake. And when the 1st look off a set isn't there, he hasn't tried to force it. He's been calm and just moved onto his next progression. That's a really good sign for a point guard. Also love that when he's been getting in the lane, it's been a steady balance of kicking it out or taking it himself. He's taking what they give him.

Having said all that, he'll be matched up with Carrington tonight right? Not an easy one to start with

[blueblob06]

That Running Man warm-up jacket is totally fly. Are they going to be wearing those warm-ups also? More importantly, will they go up for auction also?

http://goxavier.com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_prefix=rp_primary&image_path=/images/2017/1/31/Larkin_celebration_72.jpg

Great questions that we need answers to!!! Anybody??

[xuwin]

Great questions that we need answers to!!! Anybody??

The answers will start at tipoff tonight.

[GoMuskies]

Can Q fill in like the legend Johnny Wolf when Dedrick Finn's dogknapping caught up with him? Four wins in four nights is a tough legacy to beat.

[blueblob06]

According to this, the jerseys from tonight's game will go on auction:
http://goxavier.com/news/2017/1/31/xavier-mens-basketball-to-don-throwbacks-on-wednesday-night.aspx

[GIMMFD]

I'm strangely still optimistic. If things go bad, what's the worse that happens? Q gets some great experience and becomes a much better player because of it? I'm okay with that. I still think we have a decent team, and hopefully they come out with a killer mentality and just go out and win some damn games.

[XfansinKy]

I'm strangely still optimistic. If things go bad, what's the worse that happens? Q gets some great experience and becomes a much better player because of it? I'm okay with that. I still think we have a decent team, and hopefully they come out with a killer mentality and just go out and win some damn games.

Why not? They all should go out, play hard, and have a blast. Not a lot to lose but everything to gain. With the right matchups a Sweet 16 is highly improbable but not impossible. Yea I'm not ready to give up on these guys either. It's not like our 8 scholarship players are scrubs. Man big Sean needs to settle the hell down though...tripping over his own feet and stuff.

[XUFan09]

Can Q fill in like the legend Johnny Wolf when Dedrick Finn's dogknapping caught up with him? Four wins in four nights is a tough legacy to beat.
I love how he never really topped that for the rest of his career.

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[xufan2434]

Why not? They all should go out, play hard, and have a blast. Not a lot to lose but everything to gain. With the right matchups a Sweet 16 is highly improbable but not impossible. Yea I'm not ready to give up on these guys either. It's not like our 8 scholarship players are scrubs. Man big Sean needs to settle the hell down though...tripping over his own feet and stuff.

This made me chuckle.. But I do agree, nothing to lose. Go out and play loose. The Shootout mixed with recent events might just be the start of an absolute tear that Trevon goes on. Dude is out to get his and they need him to fulfill all those Paul Pierce comparisons that were being made when he committed

[spursy]

As long as Jones can stay out of foul trouble in the first half, the Delgado vs Jones match up should be a spicy one. Can't wait.

[American X]

As long as Jones can stay out of foul trouble in the first half

Congratulations. You win funniest thing on the internet today.

That being said, play Tyrique until he fouls out.

[XMuskieFTW]

Congratulations. You win funniest thing on the internet today.

That being said, play Tyrique until he fouls out.

He's up against Angel Delgado. I'll set the over/under at 9 minutes.

[spursy]

Congratulations. You win funniest thing on the internet today.

That being said, play Tyrique until he fouls out.

I know, I know... He has been better about this lately though so let a guy dream... even if it is a pipe dream given how physical and aggressive Delgado plays.

[MuskieXU]

According to this, the jerseys from tonight's game will go on auction:
http://goxavier.com/news/2017/1/31/xavier-mens-basketball-to-don-throwbacks-on-wednesday-night.aspx

At what price am I an idiot if I continue to bid? I really want one of these...

[American X]

Tyrique Jones vs. Angel Delgado will be like going to a Dragon Lady dealing at a blackjack table. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, you are broke and have no idea what just happened.

[bigdiggins]

At what price am I an idiot if I continue to bid? I really want one of these...

Be patient, the bidding will spike dramatically the final few hours.

[Muskie]

At what price am I an idiot if I continue to bid? I really want one of these...

I have a secret strategy.


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[BandAid]

That Running Man warm-up jacket is totally fly. Are they going to be wearing those warm-ups also? More importantly, will they go up for auction also?

http://goxavier.com/common/controls/image_handler.aspx?thumb_prefix=rp_primary&image_path=/images/2017/1/31/Larkin_celebration_72.jpg


According to this, the jerseys from tonight's game will go on auction:
http://goxavier.com/news/2017/1/31/xavier-mens-basketball-to-don-throwbacks-on-wednesday-night.aspx

But what about the jackets?! I'd buy one of those things in a split second if they were available.

[xu82]

He's up against Angel Delgado. I'll set the over/under at 9 minutes.

Does Vegas have a line on this?

[American X]

At what price am I an idiot if I continue to bid? I really want one of these...

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are already an idiot for wanting another guy's sweaty jersey.



I have a secret strategy.

Tackle Trevon Bluiett and strip it off of him?

[blueblob06]

Don't be so hard on yourself. You are already an idiot for wanting another guy's sweaty jersey.



Not if he bids on the #15 jersey!

[xu82]

tyrique jones vs. Angel delgado will be like going to a dragon lady dealing at a blackjack table. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you are broke and have no idea what just happened.

down goes tyrique!!!

[paulxu]

Tyrique Jones vs. Angel Delgado will be like going to a Dragon Lady dealing at a blackjack table. BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM, you are broke and have no idea what just happened.

Where's the guy on here that loved the Running Man and had it for his avatar?

Also, after she had busted your chops Amex...she would have said "thanks for playing" with a real big smile (as she thinks to herself "what a chump")

[GIMMFD]

Lol Tyrique gets 14 minutes of game time!! You heard it here first!! Optimism will prevail you guys!

[Muskie]

But what about the jackets?! I'd buy one of those things in a split second if they were available.
Several of us have been tweeting the AD and Brian Hicks.


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[xu82]

I have been baby sitting my 3 year old grandson in Nashville. We have been practicing the concept of sharing when it comes to the TV (and everything else). He is about to enter into a new chapter of his education.

[JTG]

I have been baby sitting my 3 year old grandson in Nashville. We have been practicing the concept of sharing when it comes to the TV (and everything else). He is about to enter into a new chapter of his education.
No dropping the f bomb in front of the little fella.

[xu82]

No dropping the f bomb in front of the little fella.

It's all part of the education..... Kid can't live in a bubble. I'll let HIS father pay for any therapy that may be required if he's with me during this game!

[bjf123]

Team stats just shown on the scoreboard. They're worse from the charity stripe than we are.


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[muskieindent]

Don't see JP on court during warmup. Hope that doesn't mean anything

[bjf123]

Thought I saw him out there.


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[muskieindent]

He is.

[Lloyd Braun]

If Jones can learn to finish around the basket in traffic... sky's the limit.

[bobbiemcgee]

If Jones can learn to finish around the basket in traffic... sky's the limit.

If anyone (fill in the blank) _________ can learn to finish.....,etc

[XUFan09]

I'm assuming Trevon just twisted his ankle?

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[RoseyMuskie]

I'm assuming Trevon just twisted his ankle?

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Yes. Currently changing his shoes. Looks like he'll be okay.

[XUFan09]

Seton Hall reminds me of when we had two traditional bigs in the game at the time (along with only a couple good shooters on the team). Man, the inside of the arc is packed with Xavier defenders.

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[GreatWhiteNorth]

It's unusual to see so few fouls and turnovers.

[BMoreX]

O'Mara looked good in that stretch.

[XUFan09]

O'Mara looked good in that stretch.
Yup. Gaston has played well too. Both are doing good things against a traditional backcourt.

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[RoseyMuskie]

Goodin looks strong with the ball, JP doing a nice job rebounding, and 20/23 points in the paint. I'll take it!

[bobbiemcgee]

Who is this O'Mara guy you refer to?

[mistabeecee41]

This SHU team is bad. Let's blow this open before I start to get worried.

[paulxu]

Goodin trying to do too much by himself sometimes.

[paulxu]

What a poor last 2 minutes of the half. Yuck.

[Muskie]

We should really think about guarding that Powell kid.


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[XU 23]

Mack looks PISSED. I'd love to hear his halftime speech.

[BMoreX]

No idea what they were doing giving Powell a wide open look to end the half.

[AviatorX]

I liked Goodin's aggressiveness. The finishes will come with more playing time. He has to make himself an option IMO.

Not sure why O'Mara didn't see more time there.

[RoseyMuskie]

I will never understand why X refusss to run a two for one at the end of a half.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Our lack of scoring is showing.

[mistabeecee41]

Their freshmen starter dropped 18
Ours missed 4 layups and 3 FTs

We're going to lose by 15 if any of their big 3 get it going

[AviatorX]

I will never understand why X refusss to run a two for one at the end of a half.

Most college teams are sooooo bad at this. Infuriating.

[XUFan09]

I think their were four straight misses at the rim near the end of the half.

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[muskieindent]

We're being aggressive on offense. Just can't finish

[RoseyMuskie]

Most college teams are sooooo bad at this. Infuriating.

Agreed. I brought it up directly to one of DePaul's assistant coaches (not Carter) and the response was, "that's a good point." Ya think?

[X Factor]

This team is one of the worst teams I can ever recall at Xavier finishing around the basket.

[skyking]

Any alumni out there with four years of eligibility left who can make a lay up? Please help!

[BandAid]

Any alumni out there with four years of eligibility left who can make a lay up? Please help!

Naw, I'm like gates. I just hang out on the perimeter

[XUFan09]

That three from Powell sucked. Xavier was playing good D and forced them into a 30-footer. He hit it...

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[X Factor]

This is setting up to be Seton Hall's first conference road win.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This team is one of the worst teams I can ever recall at Xavier finishing around the basket.

I agree. It's crazy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hope Goodin is ready to play 35 mins a game rest of the way.

JP as PG is scary.

[BMoreX]

That three from Powell sucked. Xavier was playing good D and forced them into a 30-footer. He hit it...

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And again

[vee4xu]

Hunker down ladies and gentlemen, I fear it will be a long rest of the season for our beloved Muskies.

[XUFan09]

And again
That one pissed me off even more.

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[XU 23]

Keep going inside!

[Xville]

So impressed with q..making some freshman mistakes but overall pleasantly surprised.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Q to Omara!

Q is much more of true PG than Ed. (Obviously not better player but more pure PG.)

[mistabeecee41]

Q's gotta play 36 minutes a game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Q's gotta play 36 minutes a game.

Yeah no doubt.

[skyking]

Wow! Gates has some guts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow! Gates has some guts.

That was a no, no, yes!

[X Factor]

Quentin is usually under control as he probes the defense. He could easily have 6-8 more points.

[XUFan09]

Wow! Gates has some guts.
He needs a wheelbarrow to carry around those balls.

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[X Factor]

Please put O'Mara back in...Gates is bad.

[X Factor]

So frustrating watching Goodin get to where he wants to go and not finish the shot...

[skyking]

Uh oh! Tre fouls out and we may as well call it.

[AviatorX]

So frustrating watching Goodin get to where he wants to go and not finish the shot...

Yeah, but I have no doubt he'll start to finish with more PT. Gaston on the other hand....

[X Factor]

We miss a layup. They make a layup.

[skyking]

We miss a layup. They make a layup.

That's not fair.

[X Factor]

Gotta make FT's!

[XU 23]

Let's get 1 more stop.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Onions!

[D-West & PO-Z]

What a block by Q!

[Xville]

What was Gaston doing exactly besides being an idiot.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Going to come down to FTs. Lets see if we can get it done.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Tre!

No threes! C'mon D!

[skyking]

God bless Tre.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Holy shit! Thought that was in.

I'll take it.

Winner winner chicken parm dinner!!!!

[Xville]

Gutsy win tonight boys....whew that was close. This team is definitely short in quite a few areas now, but saw some heart tonight which can take them a long way.

[mistabeecee41]

got lucky. JP's gambling gave them a WIDE open look. COMPLETELY left his guy when Desi got tripped up on the inbounds

[xu82]

What a block by Q!

NO KIDDING! Then he recovered very quickly, too.

[BMoreX]

Thought Goodin, Gates and O'Mara had solid games. Something to build upon. Tre continues to be stellar.

Would love a big road win in Omaha on Saturday.

[whopper]

Bluett played hurt and showed me a lot. Goodin was hounded and played very well especially against a very quick team. O'Mara..wow. Gates stepped up big time I have no idea why Seton Hall loses so much, Delgado is Walt Bellamy reincarnated, Rodriquez is a beast and Powell and Jones totally out quicker us. A great win that I have to admit looked like it was going the other way. Proud to be a 2 time X dad

[XU 23]

got lucky. JP's gambling gave them a WIDE open look. COMPLETELY left his guy when Desi got tripped up on the inbounds

But he missed! And we won! All is well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We win out we win the BE! :biggrin:

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Holy $hit! What a close win, at home. When JP missed those FTs, I thought "Oh No". Thank God for the last shot by Tre. Our guys really played their hearts out tonight. It's going to be tough the rest of the way. Go X!

[GIMMFD]

Some thoughts:

-Q: Amazing. He handled the ball beautifully, had some amazing dishes out left and right, and most of all played within himself. Plus that huge block at the end. He's an absolute gamer, and I'm sure this game went a long ways for his confidence. Once he gets his touch going around the rim, watch out.

-O'Mara: When we have this Sean, we're a much different team, he did all the little things right and played some phenomal defense on Delgado. Hell all of our bigs had pretty damn good games.

-Tre: What else is there to say? The guy has a hurt ankle and powers through and still goes off for 24. Ends up making a clutch shot, kid gives us all he's got everytime he's out there.

End of the day, great win for X after Ed's out, should build some confidence and show the guys that they have the ability to still make some noise if they play together. Loved how fluid our offense looked at times out there, and Q is definitely a true point guard. Here's to hoping JP finds his shot, and that we tighten up a few other things, but still very optimistic on the outlook of the season.

[Xavier]

Down 5 with 10ish to go and this team finally showed some heart and grinded out the victory. Love seeing that

[Blue Blooded-05]

I'm surprised Coach Mack didn't call a timeout before that Tre bucket at the end. The last possession T.O. is usually his M.O.

[BandAid]

Amidst all the circumstances and turmoil that was a great performance. Tre continued Being Tre. Q continues to step up even though his shots didn't go down (they'll start to). O'Mara played the way we were hoping to see coming into the season. Ditto Gates. (Hopefully they can continue this momentum). JP didn't make too many dumb plays, and a couple great ones. Tyrique went toe to toe with Delgado the first five minutes. I'm not even terribly upset with Gaston's stupid choice. Normally I would be. But if there's a time to go crazy for a teammate, it's the game after your star PG goes out and the team needs to reestablish itself. Great win. Big confidence boost going forward. Now if they can scratch one out in Omaha - look out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We won the rebounding battle against the one of the best rebounding teams in the country.

Gates with his second straight big rebounding night. JP and Tre very good on the boards as well.

[AviatorX]

I'm surprised Coach Mack didn't call a timeout before that Tre bucket at the end. The last possession T.O. is usually his M.O.

His postgame explanation made sense. Said Willard likes to switch up defenses out of TO's and didn't want to put Goodin in that situation in his first game with a major role. Also liked the matchup Tre had.

I'm a fan of always going w/o the timeout I must say.

[D-West & PO-Z]

His postgame explanation made sense. Said Willard likes to switch up defenses out of TO's and didn't want to put Goodin in that situation in his first game with a major role. Also liked the matchup Tre had.

I'm a fan of always going w/o the timeout I must say.

Yeah he made a great choice there. Tre was in a good position. We already had the ball in our best players hands in a good spot with a disorganized D.

Only thing thaat would have sucked is on a miss they have the ball with 4 sec to win even with a 2 but Tre had to go there in that spot regardless of it not being last shot.

[xu82]

I'm surprised Coach Mack didn't call a timeout before that Tre bucket at the end. The last possession T.O. is usually his M.O.

As they said, his goal would have been to get tre isolated, and they had that. Mack said if he tried to over coach and they came out in a triangle and 2 something else he's cooked. He had his best player with the ball, the D didn't have time to set up and I'm glad it went in! Hindsight declares it brilliant!

[XUFan09]

We won the rebounding battle against the one of the best rebounding teams in the country.

Gates with his second straight big rebounding night. JP and Tre very good on the boards as well.
Yup. Xavier and Seton Hall are basically even in rebounding prowess, so it was interesting to see them go at it in on the glass.

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[GoMuskies]

We're not very good any more, but that sure was a lot of fun. Proud of the guys for sure.

[bobbiemcgee]

Quentin is usually under control as he probes the defense. He could easily have 6-8 more points.

Q was only 2-11 but made some great plays after the initial shock of leading this team. He just kept coming back all night.

[nasdadjr]

All I care about right now is seeing Gates post 13 and 8. We need a lot more of that from him

[X Factor]

Q was only 2-11 but made some great plays after the initial shock of leading this team. He just kept coming back all night.

Yeah, I like that he didn't stop being aggressive even though he couldn't get anything to fall.

[throwbackmuskie]

Q gets to the rim nicely, now just needs to finish which will come as he plays more. He is and has been stepping up at the right time.


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[XU-PA]

Would love a big road win in Omaha on Saturday.
Since with that, you speak for all
I dub thee, Sir Obvious!!

[GOX]

What a pleasant surprise.Goodin is going to be great. Omara played his first solid game. They didn't quit .
This is something to build on.
The ball movement was crisp.
We actually ran an offense.
With Ed out elveryone knew they couldn't stand around and wait for Ed to find an opening in the lane.
We may have a TEAM.

[MuskieXU]

The jerseys are officially up for auction.

http://www.goxavier.com/auctions/

JP's is set to go for a pretty penny. There are a couple I want but unfortunately they removed the names.

[Muskie]

The jerseys are officially up for auction.

http://www.goxavier.com/auctions/

JP's is set to go for a pretty penny. There are a couple I want but unfortunately they removed the names. It's a requirement by the NCAA. In the past they have sent you the letters in an envelope, but the last one I acquired did not come with the letters (so perhaps they have stopped that as well).

[XUGRAD80]

I found CM's comments on the radio after the game very interesting. In one of them he stated that much of the time in past games they were running sets for Ed that allowed him have the ball in his hands and have the opportunity to create for other players. I took that mean that he would drive and either take it to the rim or dish. But that now, with Q at point most of the time and others playing it when Q would sit, they were running many other sets. I thought that last night there much less one-on-one play from many of the players and more movement of the ball resulting in open shots, scoring opportunities, and fouls by the opposition. It did seem to me that Gaston was still trying to go one-on-one much to much and just doesn't do that well. I thought that Sean played a much better game and was very surprised when he was taken out with only a couple of minutes left. I'd like to hear CM's reasoning on that, but I'm confident he had a good reason.

[xufan2434]

The jerseys are officially up for auction.

http://www.goxavier.com/auctions/

JP's is set to go for a pretty penny. There are a couple I want but unfortunately they removed the names.

If you're going to pay that much to win one of them, the extra $$ to get the name stitched on should be nothing

[xufan2434]

I found CM's comments on the radio after the game very interesting. In one of them he stated that much of the time in past games they were running sets for Ed that allowed him have the ball in his hands and have the opportunity to create for other players. I took that mean that he would drive and either take it to the rim or dish. But that now, with Q at point most of the time and others playing it when Q would sit, they were running many other sets. I thought that last night there much less one-on-one play from many of the players and more movement of the ball resulting in open shots, scoring opportunities, and fouls by the opposition. It did seem to me that Gaston was still trying to go one-on-one much to much and just doesn't do that well. I thought that Sean played a much better game and was very surprised when he was taken out with only a couple of minutes left. I'd like to hear CM's reasoning on that, but I'm confident he had a good reason.

And that's what has been so frustrating this year. Ed is an unbelievable talent. But I felt most of the year Chris was torn on how he wanted to use him. Because he's such a good athlete and smart kid, you can do different things with him. But at the same time, he's the point guard so he needs to run the team. Not to mention, if he's going to the League then he had to learn how to run point and play his position. I felt having to do that hurt the offense.

For example, when Crawford was here. Mack would constantly run him along screens on the baseline to free him up and it gave him options with what to do. He was clearly the best athlete and scorer on the team so that's all he had to worry about. Ed has a lot more responsibilities and isn't free to do things like that. If someone like LAJ had still been here and been able to run the point, I think this team would have looked different offensively up to this point. And they would have run more sets instead of iso plays

[Muskie]

And that's what has been so frustrating this year. Ed is an unbelievable talent. But I felt most of the year Chris was torn on how he wanted to use him. Because he's such a good athlete and smart kid, you can do different things with him. But at the same time, he's the point guard so he needs to run the team. Not to mention, if he's going to the League then he had to learn how to run point and play his position. I felt having to do that hurt the offense.

For example, when Crawford was here. Mack would constantly run him along screens on the baseline to free him up and it gave him options with what to do. He was clearly the best athlete and scorer on the team so that's all he had to worry about. Ed has a lot more responsibilities and isn't free to do things like that. If someone like LAJ had still been here and been able to run the point, I think this team would have looked different offensively up to this point. And they would have run more sets instead of iso plays You started to see Ed as more of the SG during the Myles return and the few occasions where Q ran the Point with Ed also in (once Myles was back). There definitely appeared to be more going on with the offense last night.

[BMoreX]

Holy shit JP's already at $820.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Holy shit JP's already at $820.

Yeah, why? Family member? Or people really like the 55 "Mr. Nickels" jersey?

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, why? Family member? Or people really like the 55 "Mr. Nickels" jersey?

He's white.

[xufan2434]

he's white.

lmao

[BandAid]

Most likely the case. Less likely scenario is family members and/or girlfriend(s)

[xuwin]

I found CM's comments on the radio after the game very interesting. In one of them he stated that much of the time in past games they were running sets for Ed that allowed him have the ball in his hands and have the opportunity to create for other players. I took that mean that he would drive and either take it to the rim or dish. But that now, with Q at point most of the time and others playing it when Q would sit, they were running many other sets. I thought that last night there much less one-on-one play from many of the players and more movement of the ball resulting in open shots, scoring opportunities, and fouls by the opposition. It did seem to me that Gaston was still trying to go one-on-one much to much and just doesn't do that well. I thought that Sean played a much better game and was very surprised when he was taken out with only a couple of minutes left. I'd like to hear CM's reasoning on that, but I'm confident he had a good reason.

I would imagine that the reason was that Gaston is a much better rebounder and defensive player than Sean. I would agree that Sean worked much better in the offense last night. Gaston was better equipped to battle Delgato on the boards.

[XUFan09]

I would imagine that the reason was that Gaston is a much better rebounder and defensive player than Sean. I would agree that Sean worked much better in the offense last night. Gaston was better equipped to battle Delgato on the boards.
That's what I was thinking.

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[muskiefan82]

Does Q not have an outside shot or is he not supposed to take it? He NEVER looked for his shot outside and I am wondering if that is by design or because he can't hit it reliably. He needs to be able to shoot the 3 at least adequately.

[xufan2434]

Does Q not have an outside shot or is he not supposed to take it? He NEVER looked for his shot outside and I am wondering if that is by design or because he can't hit it reliably. He needs to be able to shoot the 3 at least adequately.

Have you seen how his shot looks? He's actually made the last couple he's taken, but it's definitely not one of the top options in the playbook. He gets maybe 1 inch off the ground when he shoots it. It's not a consistent D1 jump shot. I imagine that'll be one of the biggest things he works on in the off season.

[Lloyd Braun]

Yeah, why? Family member? Or people really like the 55 "Mr. Nickels" jersey?

Odds are the winner will stitch "Crawford" on the back.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Odds are the winner will stitch "Crawford" on the back.

Yes Mr. Nickels himself. That would be smart.

[MuskieXU]

Does Q not have an outside shot or is he not supposed to take it? He NEVER looked for his shot outside and I am wondering if that is by design or because he can't hit it reliably. He needs to be able to shoot the 3 at least adequately.

I think he actually has a pretty solid shot, but knows his role in the offense isnt really to be looking for 3s. Which is more than some might say about a few other players on the team.

[XMuskieFTW]

Does Q not have an outside shot or is he not supposed to take it? He NEVER looked for his shot outside and I am wondering if that is by design or because he can't hit it reliably. He needs to be able to shoot the 3 at least adequately.

I think Q wasn't a very good 3 point shooter in high school. I think he's improved, but I still don't think he's going to take them unless the shot clock runs down or he's wide open.

[X-ceptional]

Team battled through and came away with a win. Even though they let Seton Hall back into it, in the end, they had some balls and got the W.

Also liked the guys showing a little swagger out there. Like this play, keep your eyes on The Hair KingTM after passing to Bluiett... no doubt that shot's going in.
https://media.giphy.com/media/wig6EmFEl82I0/giphy.gif

[XUFan09]

Team battled through and came away with a win. Even though they let Seton Hall back into it, in the end, they had some balls and got the W.

Also liked the guys showing a little swagger out there. Like this play, keep your eyes on The Hair KingTM after passing to Bluiett... no doubt that shot's going in.
https://media.giphy.com/media/wig6EmFEl82I0/giphy.gif
Haha I missed Kaiser's reaction when I saw it live. Just wonderful.

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[MauriceX]

I will never understand why X refusss to run a two for one at the end of a half.

Ken Pomeroy looked into the value of two for ones a few years ago. It turns out they really aren't all that valuable. The average gain from running it is about a fifth of a point, which increases odds of winning by less than one percent. Link (http://kenpom.com/blog/investigating-the-value-of-twoforones/)

[Wheelhouse]

Team battled through and came away with a win. Even though they let Seton Hall back into it, in the end, they had some balls and got the W.

Also liked the guys showing a little swagger out there. Like this play, keep your eyes on The Hair KingTM after passing to Bluiett... no doubt that shot's going in.
https://media.giphy.com/media/wig6EmFEl82I0/giphy.gif

I'm going to give the "get off my lawn" response to this clip. Kaiser's reaction is fun considering the shot goes in but if Trevon had missed I would have been cursing at the TV that Kaiser didn't crash the boards. My guess is Chris Mack would've had some words for him in the film session as well (and probably did even though the shot went in).

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[Muskie]

I'm going to give the "get off my lawn" response to this clip. Kaiser's reaction considering the shot goes in but if Trevon had missed I would have been cursing at the TV that Kaiser didn't crash the boards. My guess is Chris Mack would've had some words for him in the film session as well (and probably did even though the shot went in).

GET OFF MY LAWN! Yeah 4 on 1 in the Paint for a rebound there.

[XUFan09]

I'm going to give the "get off my lawn" response to this clip. Kaiser's reaction is fun considering the shot goes in but if Trevon had missed I would have been cursing at the TV that Kaiser didn't crash the boards. My guess is Chris Mack would've had some words for him in the film session as well (and probably did even though the shot went in).

GET OFF MY LAWN!


Yeah 4 on 1 in the Paint for a rebound there.
Yeah, the only one possibly getting that rebound was O'Mara (in which case, floating to behind the arc was a good move for Gates).

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[GoMuskies]

Yeah, the only one possibly getting that rebound was O'Mara (in which case, floating to behind the arc was a good move for Gates).

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What if it had been a long rebound? Kaiser easily could have been in position to field a clang off the back iron at around the free throw line.

[ammtd34]

Yeah, the only one possibly getting that rebound was O'Mara (in which case, floating to behind the arc was a good move for Gates).

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Right. I certainly don't want everyone on the perimeter trying to get every offensive rebound. That's a recipe for disaster.

[GoMuskies]

Right. I certainly don't want everyone on the perimeter trying to get every offensive rebound. That's a recipe for disaster.

All 5 Seton Hall jerseys were inside the paint on this particular play, though.

[paulxu]

All 5 Seton Hall jerseys were inside the paint on this particular play, though.

They were collapsing on O'Mara. :medicated:

[ammtd34]

All 5 Seton Hall jerseys were inside the paint on this particular play, though.

Which makes the odds of getting an offensive board even lower and the odds of conceding a fast break greater.

[XUFan09]

What if it had been a long rebound? Kaiser easily could have been in position to field a clang off the back iron at around the free throw line.
If it was a long rebound that clanged off straight back, Bluiett and Bernard were both already there (Bernard didn't start to walk back until he knew it was going in). Gates was actually in a good place for if it clanged off at an angle.

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[GIMMFD]

Man of all the things to complain about guys..

[GoMuskies]

If it was a long rebound that clanged off straight back, Bluiett and Bernard were both already there (Bernard didn't start to walk back until he knew it was going in). Gates was actually in a good place for if it clanged off at an angle.

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Well, he could have been, but he wasn't.

I'm not really complaining. I just get the point. If the shot doesn't go down, Gates looks kind of stupid.