Ed to have season ending surgery

[casualfan]

Per the school it is an ACL.

http://goxavier.com/news/2017/1/30/mens-basketball-edmond-sumner-suffered-season-ending-knee-injury-vs-st-john-s.aspx

Have to feel for him. Just awful news for a guy who was really gutting it out the last couple games.

[X-ceptional]

This season was cursed from the get-go. Get well soon (or not so soon, just get well), Ed!

Time to grow up fast, Q. Love what I've seen so far, but I think the learning curve is about as steep as it can be now.

[drudy23]

Not awesome.

[xufan2434]

So sad, praying for Ed. Absolutely devastating to him and the guys. Freshmen need to get old fast.

Trevon has to be looking around asking what the hell has happened since April

[XfansinKy]

Such a good young man.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shitty news. Not surprising after the way his knee bent but definitely shitty.

[boozehound]

Well this sucks. Hard to feel good about making the tournament now.

[casualfan]

Well this sucks. Hard to feel good about making the tournament now.

Things would have to go REALLY off the rails for this team to miss the tourney.

[GOX]

Edmond is a real classy young man and is a credit to the university and will be for years to come wherever life might take him.

[XfansinKy]

Things would have to go REALLY off the rails for this team to miss the tourney.

Do you mean like losing Myles and Ed?

[casualfan]

Do you mean like losing Myles and Ed?

Ha, no not what I meant.

I meant we'd have to drop a bunch more games.

As long as we're at .500 or above in conference play we should be safe.

Right now we are 5-3 wo to get to 9-9 we'd have to go 4-6 down the stretch which I just don't see happening.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

They have 11 games left minimum and are at 15-6. They would need to win 5 of those to stay a decent bubble team.

I feel horrible for Ed right now. He played his heart out and never quit.

[novachap]

OMG, that is horrible news. So sorry to hear about this, just a great player. Much respect for that young man.

[drudy23]

I think we still make the tournament since we have some decent runway...but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion by any stretch.

[XfansinKy]

He was having an awesome game too.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It is not over yet...DePaul/Marquette/Seton Hall all twice. We still play at Providence and Creighton as well. I have to think from first 6 I listed we win 3 of those and one from the last two. That is four wins and maybe get a single win in our tournament and we may have a shot. One has to think the selection committee weighs our last 11 games heavily.

[xufan2434]

It is not over yet...DePaul/Marquette/Seton Hall all twice. We still play at Providence and Creighton as well. I have to think from first 6 I listed we win 3 of those and one from the last two. That is four wins and maybe get a single win in our tournament and we may have a shot. One has to think the selection committee weighs our last 11 games heavily.

Big game Weds night. Need Cintas behind em. Not that this is absolute make/break game.. But I think if they come out with a win, it's huge step for them confidence wise and tone setter for the rest of the season. @Creighton on Saturday just got a whole lot harder

[blueblob06]

So bummed for Ed and the team and for our hopes down the stretch. Still will be at every game and will cheer of course but we'll miss Sumner out there about as much as any team could miss a guy in the NCAA.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Things would have to go REALLY off the rails for this team to miss the tourney.

I agree. The bubble seems extra soft this year.

[Irishdawg]

So sad to hear this and my thoughts and prayers are with him for a full recovery. He was already having a tough season with the shoulder issues. Hopefully he gets well, that's the most important thing.

[casualfan]

I agree. The bubble seems extra soft this year.

It's been soft for awhile now.

Hell, Tulane snuck in last year.

Ever since the field expanded to 68 and the committee decided to not give any of the 4 extra spots to mid majors that don't win their league the bubble has been AWFUL.

To get back to Ed does anyone know how having both the labrum and acl injuries to come back from will work?

Is that a situation where you get both surgeries done and rehab both parallel to each other?

[Xville]

This season has been a shit show and now someone just pissed on it. Ed has had enough injuries, hope he can recover 100% from everything and be ready to roll either for x or the NBA next year.

[markchal]

A lost season. Really bummed for Ed, not sure how this affects his draft standing. Any similar examples of a guy going into the draft off a season-ending injury?

I think we're gonna need something special to make the tournament. We have one true scholarship guard (JP is and has always been a 3) and I think a lot of people discount how much Ed means to running our offense. We don't have a lot of guys capable of creating their own shot or shots for others now.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Onward!

[Smails]

I feel just awful for a kid who absolutely didn't deserve this....(not that anyone really does)

As far as the season goes, who the hell knows? Q needs to grow up fast, Kaiser Gates needs to show up, and JP needs to take the heat off Tre' because god knows he'll be getting extra love from opposing defenses now that our best rim attacker is out.

I can't help but be reminded of Darnell Williams....ughhhh

[xufan2434]

A lost season. Really bummed for Ed, not sure how this affects his draft standing. Any similar examples of a guy going into the draft off a season-ending injury?

I think we're gonna need something special to make the tournament. We have one true scholarship guard (JP is and has always been a 3) and I think a lot of people discount how much Ed means to running our offense. We don't have a lot of guys capable of creating their own shot or shots for others now.

While I agree how much he means to it, I don't think anyone discredits how much the potential 1st round pick is important to how things go. However, while he does do all that and has a lot of freedom, the offense will be run differently and it won't be all about creating your own shot or for others. We've been asking for them to run more sets and plays like they used to and now they will. Mack said so last night in the post game presser. The reason they've run the weave/motion offense so much is because guys like Ed are super athletic and can beat people 1 on 1. And running sets takes away his freedom to do that. Q will run the offense now and they'll be more methodical in creating their looks

[mistabeecee41]

A lost season. Really bummed for Ed, not sure how this affects his draft standing. Any similar examples of a guy going into the draft off a season-ending injury?

I think we're gonna need something special to make the tournament. We have one true scholarship guard (JP is and has always been a 3) and I think a lot of people discount how much Ed means to running our offense. We don't have a lot of guys capable of creating their own shot or shots for others now.

Caris LeVert had a season ending foot injury last year, couldn't go to the combine or do any workouts, and the Nets took him at 20 despite him being a projected 2nd rounder.

He was a senior so he had no option of coming back - I think Ed would be taking a risk by leaving.

[sirthought]

C r a p

[SemajParlor]

Poor Ed Sumner, have to feel for the kid.

If this season is anything, it's a a harsh reminder that a team must seize an opportunity when it has one.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Ed would be taking a risk by leaving.

Or he comes back, gets injured again and completely ends any chance of getting drafted. Either way, it's a very difficult decision for Ed.

[muskiefan82]

Here's hoping for a "Reynolds departs earlier than he could have; Davis is suspended, comes back, then leaves; star guard has season ending surgery; team makes improbable run to the Final Four" narrative that becomes THE feel good story of the tournament. Maybe.

[casualfan]

I'm curious how much this leads to two true bigs (i.e. O'Mara, Gaston, Jones) on the floor together.

We have 8 scholarship guys available, but 3 of them are bigs and thus far this year we have not played 2 true bigs together.

The way we have been playing you have 4 perimeter players on the floor together and only 5 guys to fill those spots.

I would imagine we will play zone a whole lot more for multiple reasons.

First, it helps to avoid foul trouble with a limited bench and second if you have two of the three bigs in together it would help hide them.

[AviatorX]

I'm curious how much this leads to two true bigs (i.e. O'Mara, Gaston, Jones) on the floor together.

We have 8 scholarship guys available, but 3 of them are bigs and thus far this year we have not played 2 true bigs together.

The way we have been playing you have 4 perimeter players on the floor together and only 5 guys to fill those spots.

I would imagine we will play zone a whole lot more for multiple reasons.

First, it helps to avoid foul trouble with a limited bench and second if you have two of the three bigs in together it would help hide them.

I'm not sure my eyes can handle 2 of our bigs out there at the same time. But yeah, it's probably that or try to steal some perimeter minutes from Stainbrook.

[XUGRAD80]

1st off.....I want to wish Ed an full and quick recovery and nothing but the best no matter what his future holds.

2nd...Casualfan may be on to something there. I've also wondered if we would ever see 2 of our bigs on the floor at the same time, and just how that would play out. Losing a team leader is hard on everyone on the team. Will certainly be interesting to see how the players adapt to what will be a new rotation and possibly new expectations on them.

I will be rooting that the team comes together and can overcome the bumps in the road that has had to endure.. I will also be praying that there aren't any more shoes still to drop.

[casualfan]

I'm not sure my eyes can handle 2 of our bigs out there at the same time. But yeah, it's probably that or try to steal some perimeter minutes from Stainbrook.

Yeah, I mean it's going to happen, the only question is for how much.

And is it something Mack works into the regular rotation for stretches to keep people fresh or does he only go to it when foul trouble dictates.

The problem with the latter is that if you haven't been working it in regularly you could end up being forced into a lineup you rarely play in crucial situations late in games.

[casualfan]

2nd...Casualfan may be on to something there. I've also wondered if we would ever see 2 of our bigs on the floor at the same time, and just how that would play out. Losing a team leader is hard on everyone on the team. Will certainly be interesting to see how the players adapt to what will be a new rotation and possibly new expectations on them.
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It would have to be Jones and one of the other two would be my guess. I can't imagine Gaston and O'Mara out there together.

[bigdiggins]

It would have to be Jones and one of the other two would be my guess. I can't imagine Gaston and O'Mara out there together.

As Fr. only learn one position, and Omara can't move laterally, it would almost have to be Gaston at the 4 with one of the others at the 5.

[xufan2434]

You almost have to start Kaiser every game going forward now right? And save Malcolm on the bench to sub for the guards?

I would think it would become a 4 man rotation for 3 spots between JP, Tre, Q, Malcolm. And then 4 man rotation for 2 spots between KG, Gaston, Sean, and Tyrique. And I guess use Stainbrook should the occasion arise

[casualfan]

As Fr. only learn one position, and Omara can't move laterally, it would almost have to be Gaston at the 4 with one of the others at the 5.

Neither can Shid really...

[THRILLHOUSE]

You almost have to start Kaiser every game going forward now right? And save Malcolm on the bench to sub for the guards?



I would think so.

[LA Muskie]

As Fr. only learn one position, and Omara can't move laterally, it would almost have to be Gaston at the 4 with one of the others at the 5.
While that's certainly been Mack's preference, it's not a hard-and-fast rule. If we are going to start playing 2 bigs, everyone's going to be learning to a degree. We haven't done it all year, and did it only sparingly last year.

[xuwin]

OMG, that is horrible news. So sorry to hear about this, just a great player. Much respect for that young man.

Thanks for the concern Novachap. You've always been a classy poster. It's all about the kids no matter who they play for.

[xuwin]

A lost season. Really bummed for Ed, not sure how this affects his draft standing. Any similar examples of a guy going into the draft off a season-ending injury?

I think we're gonna need something special to make the tournament. We have one true scholarship guard (JP is and has always been a 3) and I think a lot of people discount how much Ed means to running our offense. We don't have a lot of guys capable of creating their own shot or shots for others now.

Bernard is a true scholarship guard.

[SemajParlor]

I just realized that I was there for both Ed's brutal injuries. At Nova last year and last night. Sorry Ed :(

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Speedy recovery Ed. Thank you for trying so hard this season. I wonder how this injury affects his chance of being drafted. X is running short of players for the PG position. This team better play good defence because the scoring is going to be down. A lot is resting on the development of Q. The situation does not look good.

[PattyMac1021]

It's been soft for awhile now.

Hell, Tulane snuck in last year.

Ever since the field expanded to 68 and the committee decided to not give any of the 4 extra spots to mid majors that don't win their league the bubble has been AWFUL.

To get back to Ed does anyone know how having both the labrum and acl injuries to come back from will work?

Is that a situation where you get both surgeries done and rehab both parallel to each other?

In case someone didn't mention this already, you probably meant Tulsa, instead of Tulane. Tulsa's record was extraordinarily mediocre for a tournament team and they play in a worse conference, but they also had a few nice wins, including UConn (who was good, not great), UC (same), Wichita St. (they may have been banged up, I can't recall), and SMU on the road (who was in fact great but missed the tournament due to a post-season ban). For reference Tulsa was 20-12 overall, 12-6 in the AAC, and dropped their first conference tournament game. Some really nice wins but a very uninspiring season overall.

Xavier is in an interesting position. 1 questionable loss and 5 totally forgivable losses (most expected). No really great victory, though. I think even 1 of against Butler, Nova, or maybe even a weakened Creighton would go a long way. They will also want to avoid a loss to DePaul like the plague. But yeah, the bubble is weak every year. That is why it's the bubble. We can definitely still get into the tournament, but it's far from a foregone conclusion without Ed.

[JTG]

I'm beginning to wonder if Ed has an NBA body. He will be knocked around a lot more at that level. Does anyone see him taking it to the hole on LeBron or Draymon Green ?

[Classof1985]

That. Just. Sucks.

Hoping for a quick and full recovery.

As for whether he has an NBA body, at 21 very few players do. That's what strength programs are for. He needs to put on 20-25 pounds. He can do that, and still retain his quickness.

[HenryMuto]

At the end of last season I thought if JR came back this team had Final Four potential. He leaves early and now this. What a nightmare season.

[SemajParlor]

I'm beginning to wonder if Ed has an NBA body. He will be knocked around a lot more at that level. Does anyone see him taking it to the hole on LeBron or Draymon Green ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmnZ0n1iDk

[paulxu]

Hope for Ed a speedy recovery, and back next year to finish what he started.

[bigdiggins]

I'm beginning to wonder if Ed has an NBA body. He will be knocked around a lot more at that level. Does anyone see him taking it to the hole on LeBron or Draymon Green ?

If Shaun Livingston has an NBA body, Ed will be fine.

[muskieindent]

Things would have to go REALLY off the rails for this team to miss the tourney.

I think this qualifies as going off the rails. Not saying we can't make it but it just got a whole lot harder

[xukeith]

[QUOTE=bigdiggins;576781]If Shaun Livingston has an NBA body, Ed will be fine.[/Q

Same with Kris Dunn

[xu82]

Wishing for a full and quick recovery, and the emotional strength to beat this setback! The league is full of guys who have been through this.

[IM4X]

Feel so bad for Ed. Though I know he will bounce back with a full recovery that will lead to him being drafted in the first round of the NBA... right after one last glorious season at X.

[mirabilelectu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmmnZ0n1iDk

I don't know if Livingston is the most reassuring comp for Ed. It took pretty close to a miracle recovery for Liv to even be playing right now.

[whopper]

There was a great piece on Edmond last night on his academics and that made me very proud to be an X parent/fan. Good luck in the recovery and it is "next man up". Sweet 16 absolute ceiling and now you know how good Wisconsin was last year which soothes the pain a little

As a parent of 2 X girls far away in St Johns country(Conn) I have heard that Myles had some kind of transgression that forced him to leave. If not (but probably true) would there be any chance of him returning to be a backup? I don't know anything but it would be an ideal situation with actually little pressure as Goodin is the starter. Just asking

[94GRAD]

There was a great piece on Edmond last night on his academics and that made me very proud to be an X parent/fan. Good luck in the recovery and it is "next man up". Sweet 16 absolute ceiling and now you know how good Wisconsin was last year which soothes the pain a little

As a parent of 2 X girls far away in St Johns country(Conn) I have heard that Myles had some kind of transgression that forced him to leave. If not (but probably true) would there be any chance of him returning to be a backup? I don't know anything but it would be an ideal situation with actually little pressure as Goodin is the starter. Just asking

That ship has sailed

[LA Muskie]

I'm beginning to wonder if Ed has an NBA body. He will be knocked around a lot more at that level. Does anyone see him taking it to the hole on LeBron or Draymon Green ?
I know a certain MVP about whom that question was once asked. Not so much anymore.

[LA Muskie]

That ship has sailed
That ship sunk.

[bigdiggins]

I don't know if Livingston is the most reassuring comp for Ed. It took pretty close to a miracle recovery for Liv to even be playing right now.

Wasn't comparing injuries, just build/body type.

[SemajParlor]

Yeah the leg injuries are just a coincidence. More style of play, body type, how his game could possibly translate at the NBA level

[DexterBailey84]

Ed Sumner you are a class act, a shining example of what's great about student athletes everywhere, and you are one damn fine basketball player! I'm so sorry this happened to you and and I wish you absolutely nothing but the very best going forward. I hope you'll stay but I'll understand if you don't. Gob bless, young man.

Okay, now that we've gotten that out of the way, I CANNOT WAIT to see how this team responds Weds night! I want Quentin Goodin to go out there and play the game of his freakin life and pull some kinda crazy ass Michael Westbrook triple double-type shit! Most of all though, I want this team to go out there and dedicate the rest of this season to their brother and then go and show the world what they're made of! Show every-damn-body out there what it's all about to overcome adversity! In other words...let's ride boys! Go X!!

[xdude]

Ed Sumner you are a class act, a shining example of what's great about student athletes everywhere, and you are one damn fine basketball player! I'm so sorry this happened to you and and I wish you absolutely nothing but the very best going forward. I hope you'll stay but I'll understand if you don't. Gob bless, young man.

Okay, now that we've gotten that out of the way, I CANNOT WAIT to see how this team responds Weds night! I want Quentin Goodin to go out there and play the game of his freakin life and pull some kinda crazy ass Michael Westbrook triple double-type shit! Most of all though, I want this team to go out there and dedicate the rest of this season to their brother and then go and show the world what they're made of! Show every-damn-body out there what it's all about to overcome adversity! In other words...let's ride boys! Go X!!

I like the attitude, and surely wish Ed all the best. Let's ride indeed, just not sure what we're riding at the moment...

[JTG]

I know a certain MVP about whom that question was once asked. Not so much anymore.
You can't be comparing him to Curry, Ed's shooting ability is laughable compared to Curry. Look. I love Ed but he can't make a living driving to the basket in the NBA.

[GoMuskies]

Steph was an other-worldly college player, too. Ed is very good.....but no.

[BandAid]

You can't be comparing him to Curry, Ed's shooting ability is laughable compared to Curry. Look. I love Ed but he can't make a living driving to the basket in the NBA.


Steph was an other-worldly college player, too. Ed is very good.....but no.

I think the original post was referring to body type, not skill set...

[GoMuskies]

If you've got that skill set, you can have just about any body type.

[xu82]

If you've got to make lemonade, it could give him more time to build his strength and become even more effective and durable. Yeah, little consolation tonight...

[LA Muskie]

You can't be comparing him to Curry, Ed's shooting ability is laughable compared to Curry. Look. I love Ed but he can't make a living driving to the basket in the NBA.

Well obviously they aren't comparable in skill set. But Curry gets to the rim -- and survives -- just fine. He's not just a glorified sharpshooter.


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[LA Muskie]

I think the original post was referring to body type, not skill set...

Exactly. Thanks.


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[X-band '01]

That ship sunk.

A ship that better not be brought back to the surface, quite frankly. For better or worse, it's Goodin's team for the rest of the way.

[waggy]

He'll come back, and we'll be wicked good.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Darnell Williams was a lengthy slasher who reminds me of sumner. After Darnell hurt his leg he was never the same. That was like 20 years ago? Has it really been that long? I just hope sumner comes back healthy next year. Can't wait for Weds.

[casualfan]

A ship that better not be brought back to the surface, quite frankly. For better or worse, it's Goodin's team for the rest of the way.

If what I've heard is true Id think X is doing everything in their power to keep it burried.

[mirabilelectu]

He'll come back, and we'll be wicked good.

If by some chance Ed gets an offer from anywhere (NBA, EURO, CHINA) I think he should seriously consider taking it if it's in the six figure range. If Ed does come back, it will certainly be interesting to see how Mack divides up the minutes.

[AviatorX]

If by some chance Ed gets an offer from anywhere (NBA, EURO, CHINA) I think he should seriously consider taking it if it's in the six figure range. If Ed does come back, it will certainly be interesting to see how Mack divides up the minutes.

I'm not sure how interesting it would be. I'm as high on Scruggs as probably anyone but I think it would go as follows: Sumner gets a ton of minutes because he is really good and everyone else fights for the rest.

[XfansinKy]

If by some chance Ed gets an offer from anywhere (NBA, EURO, CHINA) I think he should seriously consider taking it if it's in the six figure range. If Ed does come back, it will certainly be interesting to see how Mack divides up the minutes.

When it was mostly coming off shoulder surgery, I hoped he would come back after spending time in the weight room and proving his body is physically tough. Now though, maybe he needs to think hard about the NBA, even if it's starting in the D league. It would be awful for him if he got hurt for a 4th straight year as a redshirt junior. That may concern scouts. I hope he goes on and stays healthy. If he does, the sky is the limit.

[mirabilelectu]

I'm not sure how interesting it would be. I'm as high on Scruggs as probably anyone but I think it would go as follows: Sumner gets a ton of minutes because he is really good and everyone else fights for the rest.

Ideally. What if Q keeps playing well? I think it might be a little bit of an oversight to say that Ed will automatically walk back into PG 1 role with 2 other PG 1s on the roster. I've heard some conflicting timelines on his rehab prognosis, with some of them saying he might not be back until after the season starts. He would just get back his starting job?

[mirabilelectu]

When it was mostly coming off shoulder surgery, I hoped he would come back after spending time in the weight room and proving his body is physically tough. Now though, maybe he needs to think hard about the NBA, even if it's starting in the D league. It would be awful for him if he got hurt for a 4th straight year as a redshirt junior. That may concern scouts. I hope he goes on and stays healthy. If he does, the sky is the limit.

My concerns exactly.

[xu82]

My concerns exactly.

Why, after yet another injury, would you decide that getting physically stronger and more durable would be LESS IMPORTANT? He could be hurt in the D league or Europe just as easily (maybe even more so), so that risk isn't eliminated in any way. Being as ready as possible for that challenge seems to be a wise option. Whatever he chooses, we all wish him the best!

[nuts4xu]

It took Adrian Peterson 8 months to return from ruptured ACL/MCL's. He is an other world freak of an athlete. It was more damage than what Ed has, and was about as fast as anyone could have dreamed he would be back.

I know technology and medicine have come a long way with ACL injuries. But it would be very optimistic to expect Ed to fully recover by the start of next basketball season....not to mention he needs surgery on that shoulder too. I wish him the best of luck, and am rooting for a complete and speedy recovery. He seems like a great kid and my heart breaks for him right now.

[mistabeecee41]

not that this means anything at all, but DraftExpress moved Ed from the 2017 draft to the 2018 draft.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2018/

[blueblob06]

IF Sumner is at Xavier next year and not ready at season's start (AND Bluiett goes to NBA) we'd have a starting 5 something like this:
PG - Goodin
SG - Scruggs
SG/SF - Macura
F - Gates
C - T. Jones
Rest of Squad - Sumner, O'Mara, Ernst, Marshall, Harden, K. Jones, Ridder.
Yes, I know Freshmen rarely start out of the gate but Scruggs is gonna be solid and there wouldn't be experienced options anyway. I'd be really excited though about that starting 5 with those talented guys and with Gooden and Tyrique Jones having the valuable experience of the rest of this year then under their belt.

[Xavier]

Ideally. He would just get back his starting job?

Once he was up to game speed, yes.

[AviatorX]

IF Sumner is at Xavier next year and not ready at season's start (AND Bluiett goes to NBA) we'd have a starting 5 something like this:
PG - Goodin
SG - Scruggs
SG/SF - Macura
F - Gates
C - T. Jones
Rest of Squad - Sumner, O'Mara, Ernst, Marshall, Harden, K. Jones, Ridder.
Yes, I know Freshmen rarely start out of the gate but Scruggs is gonna be solid and there wouldn't be experienced options anyway. I'd be really excited though about that starting 5 with those talented guys and with Gooden and Tyrique Jones having the valuable experience of the rest of this year then under their belt.

Nvm. I am dumb and can't read.

[mirabilelectu]

Why, after yet another injury, would you decide that getting physically stronger and more durable would be LESS IMPORTANT? He could be hurt in the D league or Europe just as easily (maybe even more so), so that risk isn't eliminated in any way. Being as ready as possible for that challenge seems to be a wise option. Whatever he chooses, we all wish him the best!

Sorry I was unclear, I feel like it is of the utmost importance for him to get stronger. If I were he, I would very much consider getting paid to do so if the money is right. Totally agree, wish him the best in whatever endeavor he chooses!

[AviatorX]

Sorry I was unclear, I feel like it is of the utmost importance for him to get stronger. If I were he, I would very much consider getting paid to do so if the money is right. Totally agree, wish him the best in whatever endeavor he chooses!

I think you have a good point. The only real reason IMO to come back to X is if Ed can't secure an offer he and his family like. Getting stronger/healthier can be done anywhere and might as well get paid/be able to do it full time instead of going to class.

[XfansinKy]

Nvm. I am dumb and can't read.

I understand.

[mistabeecee41]

I think you have a good point. The only real reason IMO to come back to X is if Ed can't secure an offer he and his family like. Getting stronger/healthier can be done anywhere and might as well get paid/be able to do it full time instead of going to class.

Agreed. I still think he should test the waters considering the new rules. Teams have drafted injured players before.

Teams who have had Ed on their radar could look at this as getting value later in the draft. Instead of letting him go back to school and hoping he falls to them next year, they can give him a promise to a guaranteed cheap rookie deal, let him rehab, and send him to the D-League.

[xuwin]

Why, after yet another injury, would you decide that getting physically stronger and more durable would be LESS IMPORTANT? He could be hurt in the D league or Europe just as easily (maybe even more so), so that risk isn't eliminated in any way. Being as ready as possible for that challenge seems to be a wise option. Whatever he chooses, we all wish him the best!

Seems like it would be better to stay at Xavier and work toward his degree if his basketball career might be in doubt. If he turns pro and the knee doesn't hold up he would be stuck without a basketball career or a degree.

[AviatorX]

Seems like it would be better to stay at Xavier and work toward his degree if his basketball career might be in doubt. If he turns pro and the knee doesn't hold up he would be stuck without a basketball career or a degree.

I don't think his basketball career is in doubt. I mean the guy worked through tendinitis related to a significant growth spurt, suffered a concussion, and this season tore ligaments in his shoulder and knee. Definitely a lot of injuries, but I don't think any are degenerative or suggest that he won't be able to make it back. I know the NBA can get spooked by foot and back injuries more than knees/shoulders, etc., so Ed has avoided that fate to an extent.

He could always come back and get his degree or do it part time in the offseason, etc. Especially since he would theoretically only be a semester or two short after this school year.

[xufan2434]

IF Sumner is at Xavier next year and not ready at season's start (AND Bluiett goes to NBA) we'd have a starting 5 something like this:
PG - Goodin
SG - Scruggs
SG/SF - Macura
F - Gates
C - T. Jones
Rest of Squad - Sumner, O'Mara, Ernst, Marshall, Harden, K. Jones, Ridder.
Yes, I know Freshmen rarely start out of the gate but Scruggs is gonna be solid and there wouldn't be experienced options anyway. I'd be really excited though about that starting 5 with those talented guys and with Gooden and Tyrique Jones having the valuable experience of the rest of this year then under their belt.

Ernst doesn't have to sit out a year, correct? If so, then I'd really rather they red shirt Jones next season. They would essentially have 3 bigs without him and there's no point to waste a year the same way they did with Farr

[Xavier]

I think you have a good point. The only real reason IMO to come back to X is if Ed can't secure an offer he and his family like. Getting stronger/healthier can be done anywhere and might as well get paid/be able to do it full time instead of going to class.

At this point, I would be surprised to see a team grab him in the first round. It would be pretty high risk for Ed to go on a promise he would get drafted in the 2nd and then given a contract. I can see a team promising that, following through with it on the other hand is another question. (I remember seeing rumors D. Brown was promised by a couple teams he would get taken late in first round if still available).

Having said that, I feel like he will likely try that route anyways.

[SemajParlor]

Ernst doesn't have to sit out a year, correct? If so, then I'd really rather they red shirt Jones next season. They would essentially have 3 bigs without him and there's no point to waste a year the same way they did with Farr

I don’t follow recruiting too closely so unsure. Does anyone know Jones status? Hasn't there been rumblings about his eligibility?

[ReturnOfTheMack]

I don’t follow recruiting too closely so unsure. Does anyone know Jones status? Hasn't there been rumblings about his eligibility?

There have definitely been rumblings. He transferred from his high school in Macon to Putnam Science Academy between the first and second semesters. This move was purely made in an effort to elevate his academic standing. I know the staff at X is has the feeling that he "has work to do" when it comes to qualifying next year, whatever that may mean. That doesn't necessarily mean he won't qualify but there are definitely concerns.

[blueblob06]

My understanding is Ernst is eligible to play in 2017-2018 and will have 3 years.

So (at the moment), the 13 scholarship players for 2017-2018 are as follows:
1. JP Macura (4th)

2. Sean O'Mara (3rd)

3. Trevon Bluiett (3rd)

4. Edmond Sumner (2nd)

5. Kaiser Gates (2nd)

6. Tyrique Jones (2nd)

7. Quentin Goodin (2nd)

8. Jared Ridder (verbal commitment, April 2016)

9. Elias Harden (verbal commitment, July 2016)

10. Naji Marshall (verbal commitment, July 2016)

11. Kentrevious Jones (verbal commitment, July 2016)

12. Paul Scruggs (verbal commitment, October 2016)

13. Brady Ernst (JUCO Transfer, committed Jan 2017, 3 years of eligibility left)

[spursy]

I don’t follow recruiting too closely so unsure. Does anyone know Jones status? Hasn't there been rumblings about his eligibility?

I think even if he were eligible he would be redshirted. I also think that right now, if he is ruled eligible we should see it as a nice bonus, not something we should be counting on.

[muskieindent]

Or he comes back, gets injured again and completely ends any chance of getting drafted. Either way, it's a very difficult decision for Ed.

If he is projected to be a first round pick,I think he would have to consider leaving.Why take the risk of further injury and lose out on a few million
$.This injury certainly isn't going to help his stock though.

[muskieindent]

As a parent of 2 X girls far away in St Johns country(Conn) I have heard that Myles had some kind of transgression that forced him to leave. If not (but probably true) would there be any chance of him returning to be a backup? I don't know anything but it would be an ideal situation with actually little pressure as Goodin is the starter. Just asking
I'm pretty sure that he has dropped out of school.That chapter in Xavier history is over.As far as why Myles left, not sure we'll ever know the true story.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If he is projected to be a first round pick,I think he would have to consider leaving.Why take the risk of further injury and lose out on a few million
$.This injury certainly isn't going to help his stock though.

Oh yeah if he is confident he is a first round pick hes gone, no doubt about it.

[XUMIOH12]

Oh yeah if he is confident he is a first round pick hes gone, no doubt about it.

i really doubt that any team would draft him in the 1st round this year

[Thor in 204]

As Fr. only learn one position, and Omara can't move laterally, it would almost have to be Gaston at the 4 with one of the others at the 5.


I think Gaston will do surprisingly well at the 4. I probably have a minority opinion in this, but I think he has a nice jump shot from 8-10 feet and moves better than a lot of fans think. He can put the ball on the floor and go to the basket. He's been filling the role of an undersized 5. He has rebounded well but struggled to get a shot against bigger players. I think he can get himself into position to rebound well from the 4 position. He can help spread out the defense, allowing Q more room to operate.

I think that if he is given the chance to show these aspects of his game that X will become dynamically a different team, instead of trying to duplicate how it has been playing, without a very key piece that made the earlier style work.

[XMuskieFTW]

I think Gaston will do surprisingly well at the 4. I probably have a minority opinion in this, but I think he has a nice jump shot from 8-10 feet and moves better than a lot of fans think. He can put the ball on the floor and go to the basket. He's been filling the role of an undersized 5. He has rebounded well but struggled to get a shot against bigger players. I think he can get himself into position to rebound well from the 4 position. He can help spread out the defense, allowing Q more room to operate.

I think that if he is given the chance to show these aspects of his game that X will become dynamically a different team, instead of trying to duplicate how it has been playing, without a very key piece that made the earlier style work.

I would actually expect this decently often and think it could be effective. Early in the season, when Kaiser was out and we'd be in foul trouble, we'd see Gaston at the 4. I would almost expect to see this tomorrow against Sanogo and Delgado. Going to be a tough task on the boards, so Tyrique and Gaston in the game would make sense.

[Muskie]

I think Gaston will do surprisingly well at the 4. I probably have a minority opinion in this, but I think he has a nice jump shot from 8-10 feet and moves better than a lot of fans think. He can put the ball on the floor and go to the basket. He's been filling the role of an undersized 5. He has rebounded well but struggled to get a shot against bigger players. I think he can get himself into position to rebound well from the 4 position. He can help spread out the defense, allowing Q more room to operate.

I think that if he is given the chance to show these aspects of his game that X will become dynamically a different team, instead of trying to duplicate how it has been playing, without a very key piece that made the earlier style work. I'm willing to go with a Gaston/Jones 4/5. But Foul discipline will be at a premium. No depth at PG and not much at the 4/5 depending on the lineup.

[sirthought]

Mack should try more lineups with O'Mara or Jones at the 5 and Gaston or O'Mara at the 4. Gates would likely start at the 4. Bernard off the bench at 3.

Combined production of the 4 and 5 has been frustrating, but having both Gaston and O'Mara on the floor might help overcome their deficiencies. One scores better. The other rebounds better.

I know college hoops is trending away from the big men, but asking one big man on the floor to cover every possible big man defensive assignment, every potential rebound, and still score is a lot for some players.

Guys like Gates and Bluiett at the 4 worked better the past couple years because of who was playing the 5, not because they are spectacular 4s. (Hopefully Gates grows a pair and improves.)

This might mean we have to change the game plan a bit, but I'd say if we can open shooters with more big man screens, that would be a good step.

As far as next year, I'd guess that Sumner's chances of the first round a slim to none right now. Even with a chance to get paid overseas, he'd be better off to risk potential injury coming back and playing on a loaded XU team, where he's sure to gain more national exposure.

[xuwin]

Stainbrook will get more minutes from here on out, especially when we have foul issues. It is also going to be a great opportunity for players whose performances have drastically fallen off lately to re-establish themselves as major contributors to the team. Fact is, they must.

[D-West & PO-Z]

i really doubt that any team would draft him in the 1st round this year

I agree.

[casualfan]

I think Gaston will do surprisingly well at the 4. I probably have a minority opinion in this, but I think he has a nice jump shot from 8-10 feet and moves better than a lot of fans think. He can put the ball on the floor and go to the basket. He's been filling the role of an undersized 5. He has rebounded well but struggled to get a shot against bigger players. I think he can get himself into position to rebound well from the 4 position. He can help spread out the defense, allowing Q more room to operate.

I think that if he is given the chance to show these aspects of his game that X will become dynamically a different team, instead of trying to duplicate how it has been playing, without a very key piece that made the earlier style work.


He'll be fine offensively at the 4.

The problem will come defensively if we play man.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

He'll be fine offensively at the 4.

The problem will come defensively if we play man.

Just a hunch but I think we're about to see more zone (not just 1-3-1). With the depth being as thin as it is, Mack's hand is pretty much forced to play more zone.

[XU3232]

Stainbrook will get more minutes from here on out, especially when we have foul issues. It is also going to be a great opportunity for players whose performances have drastically fallen off lately to re-establish themselves as major contributors to the team. Fact is, they must.

More minutes? He doesn't get any right now so any minutes at all would be an increase. I still can't see him playing more than 5 minutes a game... if he's playing more than that then something is really going wrong or we are in extreme foul trouble.

[American X]

Stainbrook will get more minutes from here on out, especially when we have foul issues. It is also going to be a great opportunity for players whose performances have drastically fallen off lately to re-establish themselves as major contributors to the team. Fact is, they must.


More minutes? He doesn't get any right now so any minutes at all would be an increase. I still can't see him playing more than 5 minutes a game... if he's playing more than that then something is really going wrong or we are in extreme foul trouble.

He can do it!

- Ghost of Keenan Christiansen

[casualfan]

Just a hunch but I think we're about to see more zone (not just 1-3-1). With the depth being as thin as it is, Mack's hand is pretty much forced to play more zone.

I agree.

My only concern is what will happen with the rebounding out of the zone.

One of the main reasons we have been very effective defensively is that we eliminate second chances.

As we saw in the UC game it is much harder to do that out of the zone.

I'm very curious to see how the game is played this evening.

[GIMMFD]

He can do it!

- Ghost of Keenan Christiansen

Situation reminds me a little of when we used Landon Amos to go out there and spell the guys and play hard defense for a few minutes a game.