Ed Being Shut Down?

[casualfan]

Richard Skinner is reporting there are rumblings that Ed may get shut down for the year. (http://local12.com/sports/college-sports/5-takeaways-for-both-uc-and-xavier-after-crosstown-shootout)

Has anyone else heard this? I was under the impression his injury was all about pain management at this point.

[GoMuskies]

We are fucked.

If this is true, our 35 year streak of being .500 or better in conference ends this season.

[muskieindent]

That would pretty much put an end to this season.Who would be backup point guard then?

[scoscox]

Ed looks like he's killing his shoulder every time out. I wouldn't blame him at all. Would just be the icing on the cake of this tragedy of a season. We can't catch a break

[casualfan]

That would pretty much put an end to this season.Who would be backup point guard then?

JP? Or maybe Malcolm?

[American X]

Richard Skinner is reporting there are rumblings that Ed may get shut down for the year. (http://local12.com/sports/college-sports/5-takeaways-for-both-uc-and-xavier-after-crosstown-shootout)

Has anyone else heard this? I was under the impression his injury was all about pain management at this point.

That's pretty thin. It is a mention of rumblings buried in the article. We should probably wait for something more substantial before panicking.

[XU3232]

Yea I actually think there is a good chance this happens. He needs surgery and I know his eyes are on the NBA. We will have a tough time making the tourney if he shuts it down... that's for sure.

[casualfan]

That's pretty thin. It is a mention of rumblings buried in the article. We should probably wait for something more substantial before panicking.

Not sure why you felt the need to change the thread title.

That's why i put a question mark in the thread title and asked in the OP if anyone had heard anything about it.

Anyway, as most know by now Skinny and Rick are pretty tight so I doubt he'd be tossing that out there without having some concrete info.

[markchal]

It's probably what's best for him if he's gonna try for the NBA. Definitely sucks for us though, but this season was never gonna be special.

[casualfan]

It's probably what's best for him if he's gonna try for the NBA. Definitely sucks for us though, but this season was never gonna be special.

If he gets shut down I would imagine he will be back next year.

I don't think he's shown nearly enough to be a first rounder, especially with the current crop of PGs coming out (Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith, De'Aaron Fox, Lonzo Ball).

He's at best the 5th or 6th best point guard in this draft.

I was wondering if he'd be back even if he stayed healthy.

[AviatorX]

If he gets shut down I would imagine he will be back next year.

I don't think he's shown nearly enough to be a first rounder, especially with the current crop of PGs coming out (Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith, De'Aaron Fox, Lonzo Ball).

Yeah, he's gotta balance this with his age, because being a 22 year old junior next year won't be that great for his stock either.

[markchal]

yeah I think he's improved as much as he's going to. He won't magically gain 25 pounds or learn to shoot, might as well go when your stock has you the highest.

[AviatorX]

yeah I think he's improved as much as he's going to. He won't magically gain 25 pounds or learn to shoot, might as well go when your stock has you the highest.

Agreed. That's probably what I expect to happen, but I'm sure many on here will be there to point out all of his flaws when it does happen.

[casualfan]

Yeah, he's gotta balance this with his age, because being a 22 year old junior next year won't be that great for his stock either.

Buddy Hield, Denzel Valentine, Taurean Prince, and Kris Dunn were all lottery picks at 22 last year.

He's already projected as a late first rounder so with the injury the odds of him slipping to the second round this year are high.

It'd be the same mistake Semaj made.

[markchal]

It'd be the same mistake Semaj made.

Semaj left a year too late. The class (and his projection in it) would've been much favorable if he left after that first season.

[waggy]

This is what happens when you let trolls hang around.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Alternative facts

[nuts4xu]

Rick mentioned the possibility of shutting Ed down on the Scout boards.

Sounds like he is really banged up right now.

[drudy23]

So we're gonna lose Tre and Ed next year. Perfect.

[AviatorX]

So we're gonna lose Tre and Ed next year. Perfect.

To be fair, that was kinda the thought all along, right?

[bleedXblue]

I could see X shutting him down for a couple weeks to see how he responds.

Lets face it, we're cursed this year.

[LA Muskie]

I suspect we will hear just before tip that he's not playing Sunday @ St. John's. And I suspect that whether formally announced at that time or not, he will have played his last game of the season.

I also think he'll be back next year as a result. Since I know that wasn't his plan, I take no pleasure in saying that.

Get better Ed. You're awesome and your time will come.


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[xuwin]

Buddy Hield, Denzel Valentine, Taurean Prince, and Kris Dunn were all lottery picks at 22 last year.

He's already projected as a late first rounder so with the injury the odds of him slipping to the second round this year are high.

It'd be the same mistake Semaj made.

Speaking of Semaj, it appears that he has been demoted back to the D league as of about 4 games ago.

[XfansinKy]

If he did come back, him and Scruggs could be a nice backcourt.

[Muskie]

I suspect we will hear just before tip that he's not playing Sunday @ St. John's. And I suspect that whether formally announced at that time or not, he will have played his last game of the season.

I also think he'll be back next year as a result. Since I know that wasn't his plan, I take no pleasure in saying that.

Get better Ed. You're awesome and your time will come.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If he ends his season now, he would be ready in time for NBA workouts no (assuming his surgery went as expected)?

[drudy23]

I suspect we will hear just before tip that he's not playing Sunday @ St. John's. And I suspect that whether formally announced at that time or not, he will have played his last game of the season.

I also think he'll be back next year as a result. Since I know that wasn't his plan, I take no pleasure in saying that.

Get better Ed. You're awesome and your time will come.


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The rest of the season? Really? That seems a bit of an over reaction unless he has something torn.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Speaking of Semaj, it appears that he has been demoted back to the D league as of about 4 games ago.

Because Cam Payne returned from injury. OKC preferred Semaj go back to the D League to continue to get playing time to improve his game, instead of being the last man on the bench for the Thunder.

[nuts4xu]

The rest of the season? Really? That seems a bit of an over reaction unless he has something torn.

The article linked above reports he playing with a torn labrum.

"The Skinny: The sophomore point guard is playing with a torn labrum in his left shoulder"

[BandAid]

This would be terrible news for Ed and the remainder of X's basketball season. Silver lining: Goodin would get a ton of time to develop in-game, and he looked great last night (by freshman standards).

[GetUp5]

You guys can be smug about this and talk about making money overseas and his age and blah blah...

But, does anyone REALLY think Tre leaving for the draft this year is a good idea? No joke, sat next to a high level person from the Blazers at the Creighton game and he legitimately acted like he didn't know who Tre was. At the game to see Patton (and was frustrated as hell with all the fouls that sent him to the bench) and also to see Sumner.

[Muskie]

If Tre and his family think he can make money playing in the NBA next year with a guaranteed contract, then yes I think he'll go. Even if he crashed out after 3 years on a guaranteed contract. You're still talking life changing money.

[GoMuskies]

He's got no chance of being a first round draft choice and getting a guaranteed contract. If he is ready to go pro and start making money somewhere, that's certainly understandable, though.

[AviatorX]

You guys can be smug about this and talk about making money overseas and his age and blah blah...

But, does anyone REALLY think Tre leaving for the draft this year is a good idea? No joke, sat next to a high level person from the Blazers at the Creighton game and he legitimately acted like he didn't know who Tre was. At the game to see Patton (and was frustrated as hell with all the fouls that sent him to the bench) and also to see Sumner.

Honestly, I think your anecdote is kinda the point. If Tre comes back and continues to play at a high level, is that guy all of the sudden going to have him on his radar? Might as well start getting paid.

[Backyard Champ]

You guys can be smug about this and talk about making money overseas and his age and blah blah...

But, does anyone REALLY think Tre leaving for the draft this year is a good idea? No joke, sat next to a high level person from the Blazers at the Creighton game and he legitimately acted like he didn't know who Tre was. At the game to see Patton (and was frustrated as hell with all the fouls that sent him to the bench) and also to see Sumner.


I think it would take a lot for him to become an NBA player. I'm not sure he ever will be one, and it depends on if he thinks he will or not. If it is clear he's not going to, then I would not blame him at all if he wanted to leave and make a lot of money overseas. Sure he could stay another year and then go that route, but what's the point? If he stays he could have a degree to fall back on, but if he goes and makes a lot of money, he could finish his degree later if it's still important to him.
If he wants to go to the NBA and is told there is a legit chance if he improves aspects of his game, then I'd stay another year and work on them. I guess what I'm saying is, I could absolutely see him leaving after this year, and I could see him staying. I don't see him leaving this year for the NBA though.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Didn't we all establish that Trevon was 22 this year? Sumner is 21. We have a better shot at Sumner staying than Trevon.

Edit: Regardless, I absolutely love Scruggs/Marshall/Harden. These guys are legit players.


Honestly, I think your anecdote is kinda the point. If Tre comes back and continues to play at a high level, is that guy all of the sudden going to have him on his radar? Might as well start getting paid.

[XMuskieFTW]

You guys can be smug about this and talk about making money overseas and his age and blah blah...

But, does anyone REALLY think Tre leaving for the draft this year is a good idea? No joke, sat next to a high level person from the Blazers at the Creighton game and he legitimately acted like he didn't know who Tre was. At the game to see Patton (and was frustrated as hell with all the fouls that sent him to the bench) and also to see Sumner.

You mean we can be logical about it? If Tre isn't an NBA prospect now, he won't ever be.

[casualfan]

Rick mentioned the possibility of shutting Ed down on the Scout boards.

Sounds like he is really banged up right now.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out where Skinner is getting his info.

Maybe now the mods will change back the thread title.

[LA Muskie]

If he ends his season now, he would be ready in time for NBA workouts no (assuming his surgery went as expected)?
If it's a torn labrum, he's looking at about 4-6 months. So it would be cutting it VERY close.

[LA Muskie]

The rest of the season? Really? That seems a bit of an over reaction unless he has something torn.
If he shuts it down, it's to have surgery -- a surgery he's going to require either now or in the offseason.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I could see X shutting him down for a couple weeks to see how he responds.

Lets face it, we're cursed this year.

If its torn labrum he probably needs surgery.

Probably one of those things where more damage cant be done but nothing will get better until surgery.

I dont think has shown enough to be first rounder this year but he might not care. He would get drafted, 2nd round might be ok with him. But if he gets surgery then he wont be able to show anything at combines.

[LA Muskie]

You guys can be smug about this and talk about making money overseas and his age and blah blah...

But, does anyone REALLY think Tre leaving for the draft this year is a good idea? No joke, sat next to a high level person from the Blazers at the Creighton game and he legitimately acted like he didn't know who Tre was. At the game to see Patton (and was frustrated as hell with all the fouls that sent him to the bench) and also to see Sumner.
1. If he's truly "a high level person from the Blazers" he's heard of Trevon. He may not have been there to scout him, but he's heard of him.
2. He scored 40 yesterday. He will make money playing basketball.

[SemajParlor]

If Tre and his family think he can make money playing in the NBA next year with a guaranteed contract, then yes I think he'll go. Even if he crashed out after 3 years on a guaranteed contract. You're still talking life changing money.

He should stay and graduate imo. Get an entry level position for 1/6 of the salary he'd be making. Remember, X bball players are here to LEARN first and play BASKETBALL second. It's the right thing to do.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If he ends his season now, he would be ready in time for NBA workouts no (assuming his surgery went as expected)?

Maybe, it would be close.

probably would need a full 12 weeks to feel good about that. I cant remember when combine is exactly.

[LA Muskie]

If its torn labrum he probably needs surgery.

Probably one of those things where more damage cant be done but nothing will get better until surgery.

I dont think has shown enough to be first rounder this year but he might not care. He would get drafted, 2nd round might be ok with him. But if he gets surgery then he wont be able to show anything at combines.

Correct. Torn Labrum. Much like you can't get more wet, the labrum can't get more torn. Right now it's a matter of strength and pain = effectiveness. But it will need to be surgically repaired, either now or in the offseason. There's not much reason to pursue any middle ground between those two.

[casualfan]

Here is a podcast where Rick talks about the possibility of him being shut down:

http://local12.com/sports/uk-wildcats/the-skinny-podcast-college-basketball-on-jan-27-2017

Sounds like it's an injury that will require surgery and rest will not help.

[GetUp5]

1. If he's truly "a high level person from the Blazers" he's heard of Trevon. He may not have been there to scout him, but he's heard of him.
2. He scored 40 yesterday. He will make money playing basketball.

So why shouldn't JP go pro after this season? Just because someone can make money playing basketball doesn't make it a smart decision to leave school early. If that were the case, there would be very few college seniors because they'd all be leaving early to go play overseas. It gets a little concerning that we just expect our guys who won't even get a sniff in the draft to turn pro.

And trust me, I was as surprised as you are about this guy's reaction to me asking about Trevon.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So why shouldn't JP go pro after this season? Just because someone can make money playing basketball doesn't make it a smart decision to leave school early. If that were the case, there would be very few college seniors because they'd all be leaving early to go play overseas. It gets a little concerning that we just expect our guys who won't even get a sniff in the draft to turn pro.

And trust me, I was as surprised as you are about this guy's reaction to me asking about Trevon.

Why is it concerning that we expect that? Maybe you think it is concerning that has been the recent trend of recent players of ours and thats what some current players may be planning but why is it concerning that a lot of posters are just thinking logically about it or expecting it?

[xavierj]

1. If he's truly "a high level person from the Blazers" he's heard of Trevon. He may not have been there to scout him, but he's heard of him.
2. He scored 40 yesterday. He will make money playing basketball.

Trevon was the first player ever to score 40 in that building

[IM4X]

Trevon was the first player ever to score 40 in that building

I like the sound of that.

[GOX]

Maybe one or more of you are orthopedic surgeons and have an imformed opinion on what some are now saying is Ed's torn labrum.
Here is a little background:

The socket of the shoulder joint is extremely shallow, and very unstable. This means that the bones of the shoulder are not held in place adequately. Thus, the shoulder joint has a cuff of cartilage called a labrum that forms a cup for the end of the arm bone to move within.
The labrum circles the shallow shoulder socket to make the socket deeper. This cuff of cartilage makes the shoulder joint much more stable, and allows for a very wide range of movements. The labrum is made of a thick tissue that is susceptible to injury with trauma to the shoulder joint. If you have injured your shoulder, a labral tear may be the culprit.
Now , Lady Muskie opined that a tear is a tear and you can't get it " more torn " as you can't get "more wet"
Well , just as you can go from a mist to a shower you can slightly or totally tear your labrum.
A slight tear, in most instances, can be self healed through rest. A total tear requires surgery. If Ed presently has a partial tear and is risking a total tear by continued playing, he should sit. If you tell me that he has been playing with a total tear that defintely needs surgery now, I would question why he has continued to play since a totally torn labrum can not hold the shoulder joint intact with heavy contact.

[ammtd34]

So why shouldn't JP go pro after this season? Just because someone can make money playing basketball doesn't make it a smart decision to leave school early. If that were the case, there would be very few college seniors because they'd all be leaving early to go play overseas. It gets a little concerning that we just expect our guys who won't even get a sniff in the draft to turn pro.

And trust me, I was as surprised as you are about this guy's reaction to me asking about Trevon.

Not every senior can make a lot of money playing overseas. A kid I grew up with averaged 14 and 8 as a senior in the MAC. Not a super high level player, but obviously an above average college player. He played 4 seasons in Israel for very little money and headed home.

[LA Muskie]

Maybe one or more of you are orthopedic surgeons and have an imformed opinion on what some are now saying is Ed's torn labrum.
Here is a little background:

The socket of the shoulder joint is extremely shallow, and very unstable. This means that the bones of the shoulder are not held in place adequately. Thus, the shoulder joint has a cuff of cartilage called a labrum that forms a cup for the end of the arm bone to move within.
The labrum circles the shallow shoulder socket to make the socket deeper. This cuff of cartilage makes the shoulder joint much more stable, and allows for a very wide range of movements. The labrum is made of a thick tissue that is susceptible to injury with trauma to the shoulder joint. If you have injured your shoulder, a labral tear may be the culprit.
Now , Lady Muskie opined that a tear is a tear and you can't get it " more torn " as you can't get "more wet"
Well , just as you can go from a mist to a shower you can slightly or totally tear your labrum.
A slight tear, in most instances, can be self healed through rest. A total tear requires surgery. If Ed presently has a partial tear and is risking a total tear by continued playing, he should sit. If you tell me that he has been playing with a total tear that defintely needs surgery now, I would question why he has continued to play since a totally torn labrum can not hold the shoulder joint intact with heavy contact.
He has a fully torn labrum. You can play with a fully torn labrum as long as you can bear with the pain. You risk dislocation, but not damage. In an effort to avoid that possibility, and to provide support, he's been wearing a brace in practices and in the last 2 games.

[xu82]

So, just when I thought this nightmare couldn't get any worse.....

[GOX]

Accepting that what you say is true: Ed's labrum is totally torn requiring surgery to repair it, then case closed.
Yes, they are bracing it to provide stability which limits his movement but why do that to him?
Help me understand why it is in Ed's best interest to play at limited capacity and risk dislocations which causes arthritis in the joint.
He isn't making the NBA scouts hungry to have him and is delaying the surgery he needs to get rehabilitated and play basketball again, whether for us next year or the NBA in the future.

[LA Muskie]

Accepting that what you say is true: Ed's labrum is totally torn requiring surgery to repair it, then case closed.
Yes, they are bracing it to provide stability which limits his movement but why do that to him?
Help me understand why it is in Ed's best interest to play at limited capacity and risk dislocations which causes arthritis in the joint.
He isn't making the NBA scouts hungry to have him and is delaying the surgery he needs to get rehabilitated and play basketball again, whether for us next year or the NBA in the future.
I've taken you as far as I can. I can't get inside Ed's head. But I think you can presume that he is very conflicted about it and that he's getting bombarded with advice and pressure from all sides. One could even wonder whether it was more that internal conflict than the injury that resulted in his performance yesterday.

[GOX]

So True!

[mirabilelectu]

So why shouldn't JP go pro after this season? Just because someone can make money playing basketball doesn't make it a smart decision to leave school early. If that were the case, there would be very few college seniors because they'd all be leaving early to go play overseas. It gets a little concerning that we just expect our guys who won't even get a sniff in the draft to turn pro.

And trust me, I was as surprised as you are about this guy's reaction to me asking about Trevon.

Maybe JP will go pro after this season or next, maybe he doesn't want to play pro basketball. I don't think there is any denying that JP doesn't have the profile that Ed and Tre have, so maybe staying longer would help JP get on a team's radar. I think I'm speaking for many people on this board when I say that we don't "expect" our players to do anything other than what is best for them. I'm not saying they should leave to go play for a mid-tier squad and scrape by, but we know that won't be the case for them. If Ed and Tre can play anywhere next year and make life-changing money, then why should they stay? If JP found out that there was a squad willing to pay him life changing money, then I would support his decision to go. It's not NBA or bust anymore; guys can make millions playing in Europe. I remember a quote from Tre's father in which he indicates that he and his wife had worked very hard to provide Tre the opportunity to support himself with basketball. Tre is going to make money playing somewhere, if he ends up staying next year then great, but I support him either way.

[casualfan]

Its not uncommon for a guy to play w a torn labeum.

Its an injury that isnt going to get worse while playing.

[MHettel]

I had surgery for a torn labrum AND a torn rotator cuff at the same time. 4 months later, I had a SECOND surgery because I got frozen shoulder as a consequence of the first surgery. 5 months after THAT I could resume activity. 16 months later, still not right...

Good luck, ed

[D-West & PO-Z]

I had surgery for a torn labrum AND a torn rotator cuff at the same time. 4 months later, I had a SECOND surgery because I got frozen shoulder as a consequence of the first surgery. 5 months after THAT I could resume activity. 16 months later, still not right...

Good luck, ed

Ed isnt at much risk for a frozen shoulder. There are many risk factors, none of which he will have or other facotrs that will happen to a college basketball player.

[Olsingledigit]

Richard Skinner is reporting there are rumblings that Ed may get shut down for the year. (http://local12.com/sports/college-sports/5-takeaways-for-both-uc-and-xavier-after-crosstown-shootout)

Has anyone else heard this? I was under the impression his injury was all about pain management at this point.

Not surprised. I suspected he would be and he is not effective.

[sgarcia]

His tweet of just another obstacle to overcome doesn't sound promising.

[LA Muskie]

His tweet of just another obstacle to overcome doesn't sound promising.
A typically vague tweet. It's an obstacle whether he plays through it or shuts down.

[sgarcia]

Just hope he gets healthy. If he shuts it down so be it. I'd rather see him get better sooner rather than later regardless of if he decides to come back or not.

[LA Muskie]

Just hope he gets healthy. If he shuts it down so be it. I'd rather see him get better sooner rather than later regardless of if he decides to come back or not.
Couldn't agree more.

[xu82]

Just hope he gets healthy. If he shuts it down so be it. I'd rather see him get better sooner rather than later regardless of if he decides to come back or not.

No question about that. Get well. Things will work out. They always do, even if we can't see it from where we sit.

[X-man]

I had surgery for a torn labrum AND a torn rotator cuff at the same time. 4 months later, I had a SECOND surgery because I got frozen shoulder as a consequence of the first surgery. 5 months after THAT I could resume activity. 16 months later, still not right...

Good luck, ed

I had the same surgery, and my tears were so bad they could not be entirely repaired, so I have some screws in there. I did PT religiously for about 18 months, and got complete range of motion and strength back. I was told that if I didn't follow the PT regime strictly, or if I stopped PT prematurely, frozen shoulder was one likely consequence. I was also told that if you stop early, your range of motion when you stop is your ceiling for the rest of your life. That didn't appeal to me so I was a PT maniac for those 18 months, and it sure paid off.

[Xtemporaneous]

I have a torn labrum and rotator cuff in both shoulders. When it happens and the subsequent weeks it's as painful as hell. You can still do things but it depends on where your pain threshold is. Not sure how it is for Ed but lifting your upper arms is a painful venture. It doesn't help Ed that he goes into the lane like gangbusters and then for some reason goes horizontal to the ground where the first thing to hit is his midsection or land on his arms. Until he rests it or has surgery he'll have pain. And it can be debilitating, like weak in your knees painful. I tried to continue playing baseball with mine but it was fruitless and had to stop. I still haven't had surgery but really should.

[bleedXblue]

To me this is also about Ed playing a little smarter and maybe even a greater opportunity to develop other parts of his game. Like beat his man off the dribble and pull up for 8 footer instead of taking everything to the rim and a subsequent tumble and crashing to the ground.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I think Ed will end up playing through it because he doesn't want to give up on his teammates, especially after the Myles Davis fiasco. But, if he's 100% set on going pro after this season, I couldn't blame him if he did shut it down and got the surgery now. Everything about this situation sucks. Good luck to Ed in whatever he decides and hope he gets healthy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I had the same surgery, and my tears were so bad they could not be entirely repaired, so I have some screws in there. I did PT religiously for about 18 months, and got complete range of motion and strength back. I was told that if I didn't follow the PT regime strictly, or if I stopped PT prematurely, frozen shoulder was one likely consequence. I was also told that if you stop early, your range of motion when you stop is your ceiling for the rest of your life. That didn't appeal to me so I was a PT maniac for those 18 months, and it sure paid off.

Yeah not continuing PT to completion and/or doing your home exercises that are prescribed is a big problem and makes it much more likely to have complications. Also not starting PT in a timely manner after surgery.

All things Ed will no doubt do as a college athlete.

[X-Fan]

To me this is also about Ed playing a little smarter and maybe even a greater opportunity to develop other parts of his game. Like beat his man off the dribble and pull up for 8 footer instead of taking everything to the rim and a subsequent tumble and crashing to the ground.
Totally agree with this, and I think it's happening already. Ed has been looking to create/distribute more ever since he got hurt. Totally agree about the pull up. Feels like forever ago when he had that sick crossover/jab step/ pull up 3 against Wake last year. Man, Ed was absolute fire until he got hurt at Nova last year. Hasn't been the same since really. And then he gets hurt there again this year. If he comes back next year, Mack should have him stay in Cincy for the Nova game. ;-)

[MHettel]

Ed isnt at much risk for a frozen shoulder. There are many risk factors, none of which he will have or other facotrs that will happen to a college basketball player.

Thank you, Doctor.

My frozen shoulder was a direct consequence of the surgery.

Did you miss that day of Medical School?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thank you, Doctor.

My frozen shoulder was a direct consequence of the surgery.

Did you miss that day of Medical School?

I am a doctor of physical therapy.

Dont get defensive I am not saying you did anything wrong but what I am saying are there are many risk factors none of which (likely, a lot definitely not) Sumner has. He will be at very little risk for frozen shoulder.

Edit: It is defintiely not fun to have any surgery let alone surgery on any joint. Rehab will be painful and tedious. So I am not trying to down play it, just thought I'd throw that in there.

[AviatorX]

I am a doctor of physical therapy.

Dont get defensive I am not saying you did anything wrong but what I am saying are there are many risk factors none of which (likely, a lot definitely not) Sumner has. He will be at very little risk for frozen shoulder.

Edit: It is defintiely not fun to have any surgery let alone surgery on any joint. Rehab will be painful and tedious. So I am not trying to down play it, just thought I'd throw that in there.

Lol. Too perfect. You never see that kind of justice on the Internet.

[waggy]

I'm a doctor of floor sweeping.