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GOX
01-15-2017, 09:08 AM
Chris Mack was very candid in his post Butler game press conference about this game and the state of this team.Two things stood out: Bluett and Macura are now juniors and they have to be leaders and consistent. They cannot have bad games where they , as they did yesterday combine for 10 turnovers which was as many as Butler had as a team.
Second, the players are not tuned in. Both times they set up traps he explicily told them not to foul and they did anyway.
His frustration was palpable.
As he said, it all comes back to him as a coach. In other words he knows his players have to develop, get better, mature, gain skills and confidence year over year and he/we are not seeing that.
I think Chris Mack is a great coach able to bring the best out of his players.
But he has , particularly in Macura, an uncoachable player.
To see Macura have 7 turnovers, two of them in a row, leading to points when the game was close, says a lot. Lazy passes, passing to players that are covered, passing to players he has not communicated to that the ball might be coming.
What does a coach do with someone who refuses to drill down on fundamentals.
Usually you sit them.
How would you handle Macura?
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X-Fan
01-15-2017, 09:27 AM
I'm not sure about uncoachable. It seems that Mack gives him a lot of leeway, and for good reasons. Many times JP sparks the team through hitting shots when no one else is, making good defensive plays, and playing with passion. Are his lazy passes and mental errors frustrating? For sure.

My main thing with JP is when does he "turn the corner" and put it all together to be a team leader. Similar to what Coach Mack said, he and Tre have to be more consistent. We know they have it in them. Just hope it "clicks" soon.

XfansinKy
01-15-2017, 09:40 AM
I think he gets overconfident at times. I love that he's scrappy and gets after it. This team needs more of that. If JP can just reel in a few of those bad shots and mental mistakes, he could be so much better. He's a good shooter when his feet are set, and can pass really well in the open court. Coach Mack is doing great with what he has overall. Every coach has a not so great game every now and then. I don't know about how hard headed JP is. He's got a lot of upside if he will just cut down on mental errors.

Muskie
01-15-2017, 09:52 AM
He gets overconfident and then makes bad decisions on shooting and in flashy passing. It had to stop soon.


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bjf123
01-15-2017, 10:36 AM
I think you can say the same thing about Summer. It's blindingly obvious when he's going to drive the lane and our opponents are seeing it too, resulting in poor shots or turnovers. I will say to my wife while watching the game that he's not passing and going to drive. I'm right probably 90% of the time.


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bleedXblue
01-15-2017, 10:48 AM
I think you can say the same thing about Summer. It's blindingly obvious when he's going to drive the lane and our opponents are seeing it too, resulting in poor shots or turnovers. I will say to my wife while watching the game that he's not passing and going to drive. I'm right probably 90% of the time.


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Yes and the rest of the team too. Not a lot of mystery in our offensive play calling and execution. Its why Jay Wright toyed with us this week.

XUMIOH12
01-15-2017, 02:24 PM
yes

XU 87
01-15-2017, 02:44 PM
He gets overconfident and then makes bad decisions on shooting and in flashy passing.


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I would agree that happens at times.

The three point shot he took at the end, and air balled, was a terrible shot and even worse decision.

SC in DC
01-15-2017, 03:57 PM
Same as with Nova game, 5 for 6 for our bigs, but again only 6 shots! Feed the post in games where you have the advantage--Nova and Butler. But for some reason our guards don't!

Masterofreality
01-15-2017, 04:27 PM
No one on Butler could guard 'Shid or really Sean, but shots kept being jacked from outside. A couple of those were just ridiculous- a couple from JP but also one I can remember from Tre. As to Ed, until he shows some type of mid-range game, teams will just pack the paint & play off of him outside the foul line. Despite the spectacular play, I continue to say he is not NBA ready. Ed needs to fill his game out and that includes figuring out the balance of scoring vs assists.

I keep saying it. This team is not Top 25 worthy. Too many offensive holes too much of the time. Need the bench to step into those holes and the starters to stop having brain farts.

mohr5150
01-15-2017, 04:48 PM
Agreed, MOR. I truly thought the tourney they were in during November was going to knock them out of the top 25. Fortunately, I guess, that tourney was full of average teams. Our non con has ended up very average with Clemson and Baylor really the only quality teams. This has kept us in the rankings, but we will, most likely, by the end of this week, be out. After the UC game, we will be out of it for a while, probably. Super, super disappointing. Talented team with no leadership. Miles really screwed this team over with his girlfriend bs. He was the supposed leader who couldn't handle a breakup.

JEHARDI
01-15-2017, 06:09 PM
Agreed, MOR. I truly thought the tourney they were in during November was going to knock them out of the top 25. Fortunately, I guess, that tourney was full of average teams. Our non con has ended up very average with Clemson and Baylor really the only quality teams. This has kept us in the rankings, but we will, most likely, by the end of this week, be out. After the UC game, we will be out of it for a while, probably. Super, super disappointing. Talented team with no leadership. Miles really screwed this team over with his girlfriend bs. He was the supposed leader who couldn't handle a breakup.- they will beat UC, no doubt.

Olsingledigit
01-15-2017, 10:44 PM
I would agree that happens at times.

The three point shot he took at the end, and air balled, was a terrible shot and even worse decision.
I'm pretty sure the shot clock had run down and he had to take that shot.

chico
01-15-2017, 10:47 PM
I wouldn't call JP uncoachable so much as undisciplined. He makes some tremendous plays and I love the fact that he is fearless, but he needs to play smarter. Taking wild 3's or trying to make the spectacular pass is just not playing disciplined ball. If he can reign that in he'll really be something special.

As for the team in general, they seem to fall in love with the 3 far too often. They take shots with 20 on the shot clock that are available with 5. I'd like to see more inside-out play than what they're doing now. Gaston has a nice touch around the basket to go along with some good moves - there aren't many big men in the conference that can keep him under wraps. It also seems at times that there's too much 1-on-1 games going on, where we simply try to beat our man to the basket. Run some offense. It's difficult to stay disciplined on defense when the other team runs good sets for 25 seconds.

xu82
01-15-2017, 11:34 PM
He's coachable. He's not a dumb player. At times he's a genius. He just gets so emotional and at times tries too hard to light the fire. I'm sure Mack has his frustrations, but he's glad he's got him and will reel it in some for less emotional, more intelligent ball. Those 'turnovers are too sloppy for a guy with his BB IQ. Slow it down and take care of the ball.

sirthought
01-16-2017, 03:56 AM
I actually don't know if he is coachable or a very smart player. I think he sees opportunities too often that aren't really there. Other times he's not paying attention enough to know he has to execute a pass more precisely. It's all within his grasp, but I'm not certain he has the game IQ for it. I know his big shots make him fans. I'm more worried about the mistakes.

Juice
01-16-2017, 06:09 AM
I actually don't know if he is coachable or a very smart player. I think he sees opportunities too often that aren't really there. Other times he's not paying attention enough to know he has to execute a pass more precisely. It's all within his grasp, but I'm not certain he has the game IQ for it. I know his big shots make him fans. I'm more worried about the mistakes.

He has the IQ. His confidence is both a gift and curse. He makes plays/shots that make you say wow but that also comes with plays that make you think WTF? At some point you'd hope that he cuts down on the latter but does that come at the risk of losing his edge?

markchal
01-16-2017, 08:38 AM
I've actually been pretty pleased with JP. He's been one of our standouts and is the only player that doesn't seem afraid or intimidated in tough road environments. The whole team could use more of his swagger. That said, his turnovers can be a problem and we need more consistency from him, but I think overall he really helped minimize the Myles loss for the first half of the season.

bleedXblue
01-16-2017, 11:20 AM
I've actually been pretty pleased with JP. He's been one of our standouts and is the only player that doesn't seem afraid or intimidated in tough road environments. The whole team could use more of his swagger. That said, his turnovers can be a problem and we need more consistency from him, but I think overall he really helped minimize the Myles loss for the first half of the season.

The horrible bad decision turnovers have tempered my enthusiasm for JP.

muskienick
01-16-2017, 12:13 PM
Based on this season's stats, we should not be pointing the finger at JP. There are a few others who are not living up to their press clippings. But, all that being said, we are still 13-4 and our two losses in Conference were pretty much expected by us and the oddsmakers. Furthermore, no one can deny that our team's leader coming into the 16-17 season was totally absent for the first two losses and only still a shell of himself for the last two. Let's just see how this team develops once we have all our players in shape and on the same page before casting those stones of accusation.

Xavier University 2016-2017 GAME STATISTICS
Player GP MIN PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TPG FG% FT% 3P%
Trevon Bluiett 17 33.5 16.8 5.8 2.2 1.0 0.1 1.9 .402 .788 .325
Edmond Sumner 17 33.8 15.7 4.3 4.6 1.4 0.8 2.9 .486 .739 .270
J.P. Macura 17 32.4 14.5 4.1 2.4 1.8 0.2 1.6 .421 .846 .348
RaShid Gaston 17 19.2 7.2 6.4 0.6 0.1 0.7 1.1 .591 .487 .000
Malcolm Bernard 17 28.1 6.2 4.2 1.6 1.1 0.3 1.2 .419 .609 .404
Sean O'Mara 17 13.5 6.1 3.2 0.5 0.4 0.1 0.9 .600 .655 .000
Kaiser Gates 12 18.3 5.4 3.0 0.6 0.5 0.2 0.6 .415 .556 .364
Quentin Goodin 17 15.0 2.9 1.3 1.8 0.7 0.2 1.3 .450 .478 .231
Tyrique Jones 17 9.6 2.9 3.2 0.4 0.2 0.6 0.6 .500 .474 .000
Myles Davis 2 11.5 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 .000 1.000 .000
Leighton Schrand 4 1.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 .000 1.000 .000
Tim Stainbrook 7 2.6 0.4 0.3 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.0 .333 .000 .333
Alex Bergen 5 1.0 0.0 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .000 .000 .000
Cullen Barr 5 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .000 .000 .000
Conor Peterson 5 1.0 0.0 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 .000 .000 .000
Totals 17 -- 77 39 15 7 3 12 .457 .701 .331
SEASON STATISTICS
Player MIN FGM FGA FTM FTA 3PM 3PA PTS OFFR DEFR REB AST TO STL BLK
Trevon Bluiett 570 90 224 67 85 39 120 286 9 89 98 37 32 17 2
Edmond Sumner 575 86 177 85 115 10 37 267 7 66 73 79 49 24 13
J.P. Macura 551 80 190 55 65 32 92 247 21 49 70 40 28 30 4
RaShid Gaston 327 52 88 19 39 0 0 123 47 61 108 10 19 2 12
Malcolm Bernard 477 36 86 14 23 19 47 105 18 54 72 28 21 18 5
Sean O'Mara 229 42 70 19 29 0 0 103 25 29 54 9 16 6 1
Kaiser Gates 219 22 53 5 9 16 44 65 10 26 36 7 7 6 2
Quentin Goodin 255 18 40 11 23 3 13 50 2 20 22 31 22 12 3
Tyrique Jones 164 20 40 9 19 0 0 49 28 26 54 7 11 4 10
Myles Davis 23 0 6 2 2 0 5 2 0 2 2 0 2 0 0
Leighton Schrand 4 0 0 2 2 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0
Tim Stainbrook 18 1 3 0 0 1 3 3 0 2 2 1 0 0 1
Alex Bergen 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
Cullen Barr 5 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Conor Peterson 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0
Totals -- 447 979 288 411 120 362 1302 197 459 656 249 212 119 53

Sorry the columns don't line up. I lined them up prior to posting but that alignment didn't "take."

American X
01-16-2017, 12:22 PM
JP Macura is coachable.

Myles Fox Morrissey on the other hand.................................too many ballsy passes out there.

bleedXblue
01-16-2017, 12:25 PM
JP Macura is coachable.

Myles Fox Morrissey on the other hand.................................too many ballsy passes out there.

ballsy or just plain stupid at times?

XUFan09
01-16-2017, 01:22 PM
He has the IQ. His confidence is both a gift and curse. He makes plays/shots that make you say wow but that also comes with plays that make you think WTF? At some point you'd hope that he cuts down on the latter but does that come at the risk of losing his edge?

Yep. You want the edge but you risk losing it if you rein him in too much. It's really tough to find the right balance with a guy like that.

Lloyd Braun
01-16-2017, 03:07 PM
I liked him as a 6th man better. He is Ginobili!

vee4xu
01-16-2017, 07:29 PM
Let's go in a different direction on JP. Today, my man Bourbonman was sitting next to me, as always, and made a great point. He said that JP looked winded midway through the second half. I looked and he was definitely was huffing and puffing. Shortly afterwards during a stop in play, JP was crouched down definitely looking winded. I am a very seasoned runner. I've trained for and run some pretty challenging races. From that perspective, I know when an athlete looks winded. JP was winded. B-man further said that we are way too far into the season for our players to be in that kind of condition. So, no I am curious about what level of conditioning our overall team may have.

AviatorX
01-16-2017, 07:50 PM
Let's go in a different direction on JP. Today, my man Bourbonman was sitting next to me, as always, and made a great point. He said that JP looked winded midway through the second half. I looked and he was definitely was huffing and puffing. Shortly afterwards during a stop in play, JP was crouched down definitely looking winded. I am a very seasoned runner. I've trained for and run some pretty challenging races. From that perspective, I know when an athlete looks winded. JP was winded. B-man further said that we are way too far into the season for our players to be in that kind of condition. So, no I am curious about what level of conditioning our overall team may have.

JP is playing 80% of the team's minutes to this point in the season, that's a lot, in fact a higher percentage than anyone on last year's team (not to mention Tre and Ed are at an even higher percentage). I think it's getting to be an issue. That said, not sure I would question the conditioning of the team as a whole, as I feel like strength and conditioning have been a huge advantage for X in the Jennings era -- perhaps even more so for JP this year because of his offseason.

GoMuskies
01-16-2017, 07:52 PM
If he's winded, it's probably just the stretch we're going through. If it's an issue on Sunday, then it's actually an issue.

vee4xu
01-16-2017, 07:55 PM
If he's winded, it's probably just the stretch we're going through. If it's an issue on Sunday, then it's actually an issue.

Don't disagree. B-man mentioned that it was the team's 2nd game in 48 hours and third in six days. That is certainly a factor.

markchal
01-16-2017, 08:07 PM
he's also a pretty high energy player. Makes more hustle plays than the rest of the team combined.

American X
01-17-2017, 06:56 AM
J.P. always looks like that. Mack has commented on it. Saying J.P. looks winded is saying water looks wet.

But if only someone could coach him not to look winded...

XfansinKy
01-17-2017, 07:57 AM
Don't disagree. B-man mentioned that it was the team's 2nd game in 48 hours and third in six days. That is certainly a factor.
Don't get me wrong, I didn't play ball near this level. What I can't and have never understood, when I was playing AAU and team summer camp ball, we played 2-3 games a day in hot boxes, and I don't remember getting winded for more than a timeout. I've never understood being in high school or college and getting tired for long. We did run suicides until some of us puked in order to get in shape, but after a few weeks we played on n off from wakeup til dark. I'm sure I'm missing something because it's not like they're faking being tired.

xufan2434
01-17-2017, 08:50 AM
Don't get me wrong, I didn't play ball near this level. What I can't and have never understood, when I was playing AAU and team summer camp ball, we played 2-3 games a day in hot boxes, and I don't remember getting winded for more than a timeout. I've never understood being in high school or college and getting tired for long. We did run suicides until some of us puked in order to get in shape, but after a few weeks we played on n off from wakeup til dark. I'm sure I'm missing something because it's not like they're faking being tired.

We had this conversation last year, when I believe it was Villanova losing a day of rest between playing @ X because of a snow storm. And many argued it wouldn't affect them because these kids are in top shape. While I still don't think it did anything for them last year, it clearly did some to X yesterday. You could see Ed heavily breathing multiple times as well. And to answer your question, I think it's a lot easier to play pick up ball all day and especially AAU ball than it is to play a high level Top 25 Big East game. You can't take plays off for one, and the physicality is completely different.

That Butler game was a drain for I'm sure a lot of the guys, especially the Big 3. I mean between Ed and JP showing it, to then Tre being completely short on his last shot, I think it shows. When you spend all game basically having to have the whole team box out and battle with Patton, it's going to wear on you. And not having that good of a bench doesn't help. I'm sure they'll be getting today off to rest up

XfansinKy
01-17-2017, 09:27 AM
I agree with that. I imagine guarding a 6'6 D1 athlete that can literally jump over you is more taxing.

GuyFawkes38
01-17-2017, 10:57 AM
I think you can say the same thing about Summer. It's blindingly obvious when he's going to drive the lane and our opponents are seeing it too, resulting in poor shots or turnovers. I will say to my wife while watching the game that he's not passing and going to drive. I'm right probably 90% of the time.


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I think this hits on my biggest disappointment of the year. Your description makes Sumner sound like a shooting guard or a small forward. For this year to be a success (both for Sumner's future and the team's), Sumner needed to be molded into a real point guard. I think a lot of the blame for this has to be given to the coaching staff.

On offense, it looks like our backcourt is made up of one dimensional wing players. Never thought I would say this, but I would love to have a true point guard out there like Dee Davis or Larry Austin jr. Would give the offense some needed structure.

American X
01-27-2017, 08:15 AM
J.P. made absolutely wild, undisciplined shots and passes which left us with our pants down.

His stat line looks okay, but I am left to wonder if he was a net positive on the floor last night. His wild plays seemed particularly ill-timed. I thought the brick after the under 4 timeout especially hurt.

Not Myles Fox Morrissey quality.

Drew
01-27-2017, 08:40 AM
J.P. made absolutely wild, undisciplined shots and passes which left us with our pants down.

His stat line looks okay, but I am left to wonder if he was a net positive on the floor last night. His wild plays seemed particularly ill-timed. I thought the brick after the under 4 timeout especially hurt.

Not Myles Fox Morrissey quality.

Unfortunately, ill-timed shots and awful passes are the norm for JP this year.

bleedXblue
01-27-2017, 10:08 AM
Unfortunately, ill-timed shots and awful passes are the norm for JP this year.

yeah, becoming a pattern..........he is what he is........you love him one minute and you hate him the next

Backyard Champ
01-27-2017, 10:21 AM
I am fine with JP. He had one lazy pass last night, and while that last 3 he took was quick, it almost went in. He's also the only player who plays consistently with hustle. It looks like he's the only one who cares about what's going on. I'll also say, he's the only guard who tries to take advantage of the other team when they are in foul trouble. He's far more effective at driving to the lane and getting a foul called then Ed or Tre.

He has a few rushed shots, but overall his game is very undervalued on this board.

scoscox
01-27-2017, 10:56 AM
I'd be happy to have JP coming off the bench

Juice
01-27-2017, 11:20 AM
I'd be happy to have JP coming off the bench

Start Q, Sumner, Malcolm, Tre, Shid/Jones/Sean?

I don't hate the idea if Quentin can play like he did last night.

markchal
01-27-2017, 11:25 AM
We have a lot of issues with this team, but I don't think JP's play is one of them. He is what he is, and people love it when he hits those crazy 3s. I think he's improved with his bigger role and appreciate his hustle and willingness to make a play (not a lot of guys seem interested in that this year).

scoscox
01-27-2017, 11:38 AM
Start Q, Sumner, Malcolm, Tre, Shid/Jones/Sean?

I don't hate the idea if Quentin can play like he did last night.

Something like that, yea. JP is just getting abused defensively. I know he's not overly quick, but half the time he just doesn't pay attention. Lot of communication problems as well. He's better as a spark plug, but just not a responsible enough player to be a reliable starter at this point and mostly it's about mindset and effort.

drudy23
01-27-2017, 11:47 AM
JP's effort is not a question. He makes things happen. He just plays dumb at times, and usually at crucial times because he's trying to do more than his athleticism will allow. This is one of the HUGE differences you see between our guys and Villanova's guys. They are not oozing super athleticism...but they're guys are smart basketball players who limit mistakes (both physically and mentally)

Arch was the essence of this, and Jenkins isn't far behind.

GOX
01-27-2017, 11:48 AM
Mack has described J.P. variously as " not playing in the system" , "playing hero ball" with blind passes and wild 3 's.
Players with that mind set are usually referred to an"selfish players".

scoscox
01-27-2017, 11:50 AM
I don't disagree with everything else, but his effort is definitely in question. His laxity on defense is appalling. It's infuriating. He got abused by cumberland.

drudy23
01-27-2017, 11:52 AM
I don't disagree with everything else, but his effort is definitely in question. His laxity on defense is appalling. It's infuriating. He got abused by cumberland.

Is it effort or ability? He just doesn't have the quickness to guard very good/elite guards. I have no doubt he's trying to...he just can't. That's one of his weaknesses. It seems coach thinks his strengths outweigh this...and they probably do.

ArizonaXUGrad
01-27-2017, 11:59 AM
JP is what he is, kid can absolutely make a difference in games. He has never been a plus defender and he never will be one, however, he can more than make up for it on the offensive end. His shooting is necessary especially next season.

Drew
01-27-2017, 12:23 PM
Something like that, yea. JP is just getting abused defensively. I know he's not overly quick, but half the time he just doesn't pay attention. Lot of communication problems as well. He's better as a spark plug, but just not a responsible enough player to be a reliable starter at this point and mostly it's about mindset and effort.

Nailed it.

bleedXblue
01-27-2017, 12:50 PM
JP's effort is not a question. He makes things happen. He just plays dumb at times, and usually at crucial times because he's trying to do more than his athleticism will allow. This is one of the HUGE differences you see between our guys and Villanova's guys. They are not oozing super athleticism...but they're guys are smart basketball players who limit mistakes (both physically and mentally)

Arch was the essence of this, and Jenkins isn't far behind.

Spot on

bleedXblue
01-27-2017, 12:51 PM
Nailed it.

yeah ok then who do you start and who's better suited? We just don't have the talent and depth this year

Drew
01-27-2017, 02:19 PM
yeah ok then who do you start and who's better suited? We just don't have the talent and depth this year

Mack's teams have always been defense first. Sumner, Bernard, Bluiett, Gates, Gaston.

mistabeecee41
01-27-2017, 03:25 PM
Unfortunately, ill-timed shots and awful passes are the norm for JP this year.

it's not just JP with the shots -our whole team spazzes out every time were in a close, late game frantic situation. I forgot which game it was, but we had an end of game sequence when we needed to make a shot where Ed bricked a 3, Tre got the rebound and ran to the 3 point line and missed a step back fadeaway 3, then JP got a kick out and launched a 35 footer and missed.

All in about 7 seconds with 2 minutes left in the game. The announcers remark was something along the lines of "what the hell are they doing?"

LA Muskie
01-27-2017, 04:00 PM
I love JP. But I think he's really struggling with his new role. He could get away with a lot of his "negatives' playing as an offensive spark off the bench. They become much more pronounced in a starting/primary role.

SemajParlor
01-27-2017, 04:05 PM
I don't think a lot of people played organized basketball on this board.

Nigel Tufnel
01-27-2017, 04:16 PM
I love JP. But I think he's really struggling with his new role. He could get away with a lot of his "negatives' playing as an offensive spark off the bench. They become much more pronounced in a starting/primary role.

Agree with all of this. But man...he let a freshman guard whose weakness coming into college was lack of quickness/slow feet, dribble right by him multiple times last night. A frosh guard who averages around 6 ppg shouldn't have been able to drive and score that easily on a junior starter. Last night was a little alarming.

casualfan
01-27-2017, 04:33 PM
The problem is that without Remy and now Myles there is no one you can really use to sit him down when he is struggling.

Last year you could put him in, see if he was hot, and if he was leave him in and if he wasn't pull him out.

That luxury isn't really there this year, at least not for long stretches.

Nigel Tufnel
01-27-2017, 04:35 PM
The problem is that without Remy and now Myles there is no one you can really use to sit him down when he is struggling.

Last year you could put him in, see if he was hot, and if he was leave him in and if he wasn't pull him out.

That luxury isn't really there this year, at least not for long stretches.

You and LA said the exact same thing but in different ways.

LA Muskie
01-27-2017, 04:51 PM
You and LA said the exact same thing but in different ways.
Correct. Bringing him off the bench wouldn't make a difference. The problem is that we have no choice but to play him 30+ minutes. And he hasn't adjusted to that new normal.

SemajParlor
01-27-2017, 05:09 PM
JP is better defensively statistically and is overall a more efficient player than last year. There are some really unfair narratives out there.

LA Muskie
01-27-2017, 05:11 PM
JP is better defensively statistically and is overall a more efficient player than last year. There are some really unfair narratives out there.
Don't get me wrong -- I think JP is a net positive (and that it's not a close call). I also agree that this may be an issue of perception. "Spark-plugs" tend to make their name on the good; the bad gets swept under the rug. But when you play 30+ minutes, you're generally held to a higher standard -- and the "bad" tends to get noticed more.

SemajParlor
01-27-2017, 05:24 PM
I just don't believe his play this year fits into the box that people are trying to put him in. He's not a wild card uncontrollable hot / cold guy. He's a very good Big East guard and has demonstrated he's productive over the course of a game.

LA Muskie
01-28-2017, 02:43 AM
I just don't believe his play this year fits into the box that people are trying to put him in. He's not a wild card uncontrollable hot / cold guy. He's a very good Big East guard and has demonstrated he's productive over the course of a game.

I agree he's neither "uncoachable" nor "uncontrollable". But he's certainly had his spells of "undisciplined" and "unfocused" on both ends of the court.


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xukeith
01-28-2017, 11:18 AM
He is wild and shoots/passes too much like "White Chocolate" BUT he is extremely crafty and works his butt off. Scrappy dude. Wish he could play better defense but he is slow footed.

Backyard Champ
01-28-2017, 11:59 AM
I'm a big JP guy so I'm probably biased, but I don't think he is nearly as bad as people are saying. When he does get burned, it looks like the player going by him would typically go right into a help defender, but that help defender is nowhere to be found. Maybe it's communication issues amongst multiple players. I also see him covering for others who get burned. That leaves his player open, and if his player is found it appears JP is wildly out of position. It looks bad on JP, but not the defender who origionally got beat. However if JP didn't slide over to help, it's an easy bucket.
I think for our team, he's right about average on defense. Let's face it, our defense this year is pretty bad. The last couple of weeks, we seem to go on long periods of gameplay where every possession the opponent is coming away with points.

markchal
01-28-2017, 12:09 PM
I'm a big JP guy so I'm probably biased, but I don't think he is nearly as bad as people are saying. When he does get burned, it looks like the player going by him would typically go right into a help defender, but that help defender is nowhere to be found. Maybe it's communication issues amongst multiple players. I also see him covering for others who get burned. That leaves his player open, and if his player is found it appears JP is wildly out of position. It looks bad on JP, but not the defender who origionally got beat. However if JP didn't slide over to help, it's an easy bucket.
I think for our team, he's right about average on defense. Let's face it, our defense this year is pretty bad. The last couple of weeks, we seem to go on long periods of gameplay where every possession the opponent is coming away with points.

I also think that, especially against Cumberland for example, JP struggles guarding SGs. JP is more athletic than he looks, but he's a SF, and does much better going against other SFs. We just don't have enough true guards on our roster.

birdman71
01-28-2017, 02:25 PM
The ''wild shots'' seem to be attempts to draw fouls. Often works for him, but not the UC game.

SemajParlor
01-28-2017, 03:26 PM
I agree he's neither "uncoachable" nor "uncontrollable". But he's certainly had his spells of "undisciplined" and "unfocused" on both ends of the court.


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I would agree that is a fair assessment. Turnovers have been an issue he can hopefully improve on.

xuwin
01-28-2017, 03:44 PM
I just don't believe his play this year fits into the box that people are trying to put him in. He's not a wild card uncontrollable hot / cold guy. He's a very good Big East guard and has demonstrated he's productive over the course of a game.

I agree. When you are getting essentially zero offensive production inside it forces your perimeter players to have to make plays and do a little too much. We have nothing even close to Farr and Reynolds under the basket this year offensively or defensively. We even have to rebound more as a team because we don't have a dominant rebounder inside.

X-ceptional
02-02-2017, 12:05 PM
[Dennis Green voice] JP is who we thought he was! [/Dennis Green voice]

JP has no conscience when he's on the floor. Sometimes it results in poor shot selection, or ill-conceived passes, but damn the kid can play. And he played his ass off last night... 33 minutes going for 10 and 7.

One thing that won't show up on the stat sheet either though was that chase-down back-tip to prevent the layup after the SHU steal late in the game (although I believe the Hall ended up scoring on the ensuing possession after the inbound). Still, that's the type of hustle play that gets rewarded in the long run. You could tell JP was gassed... he left it all on the floor.

xu82
02-02-2017, 12:12 PM
Like everyone else, you take the good with the bad, and that hustle was very, very good! Just keep that up while valuing the ball, because that was good stuff.

ArizonaXUGrad
02-02-2017, 12:33 PM
I said it his Freshman year through today, I love the kid. He can flat out play and he has a killer mentality, but he may have dragged his pivot foot a tad on that bank shot. Not enough for a travel though with that little time left, certainly not like the KU kid did against KSU a few weeks ago.

xu82
02-02-2017, 12:38 PM
I said it his Freshman year through today, I love the kid. He can flat out play and he has a killer mentality, but he may have dragged his pivot foot a tad on that bank shot. Not enough for a travel though with that little time left, certainly not like the KU kid did against KSU a few weeks ago.

You mean like this?

https://youtu.be/8GnJ7xe-2MY

scoscox
02-02-2017, 06:42 PM
JP does good things and is no doubt a good player. I'd just like to see more discipline in key moments, more specifically a sustained focus on defense. The microwave, gunslinger, wild card role should phase out and you should become a reliable basketball player. Last night alone, he got out of position on seton hall's tying bucket giving his man a lane to the basket and leaves his man wide open on the three point line to try to help on a ball handler at 3/4 court on their last possession. Those are just undisciplined lapses that hurt the team. Those things cant happen, but he does this kind of stuff all the time. I love the guy and his energy and everything he brings, but these kind of basic discipline lapses just kill me.

SemajParlor
02-09-2017, 02:09 AM
Hey Coach,

Blink twice if you are reading this. Go to 4:19


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_K4KQ_XMlA

nuts4xu
02-09-2017, 08:02 AM
"He is a very coachable kid"-- Chris Mack on JP Macura

I think we can now close this thread. The question was "Is JP Madura coachable" and Coach Mack has confirmed that he is in fact, coachable.

This case is closed...In Coach Mack we trust!

X-ceptional
02-09-2017, 09:17 AM
Well, Mack obviously needs to be fired after a comment like that.

xu82
02-09-2017, 09:19 AM
"He is a very coachable kid"-- Chris Mack on JP Macura

I think we can now close this thread. The question was "Is JP Madura coachable" and Coach Mack has confirmed that he is in fact, coachable.

This case is closed...In Coach Mack we trust!

.

gladdenguy
02-09-2017, 09:33 AM
I immediately thought about this thread after watching his presser last night. Ha. Lots of Xavierhoops members were with me on that.

blueblob06
02-09-2017, 09:47 AM
Haha, agreed! First thing I thought when Mack said "JP is very coachable" was 'but I read on XH that he isn't!' GO X!

drudy23
02-09-2017, 09:59 AM
Shun the moron that started it...pretty sure 95% of the responses disagreed with him.

xu82
02-09-2017, 10:55 AM
Shun the moron that started it...pretty sure 95% of the responses disagreed with him.

He certainly seems to enjoy starting negative threads about......just about anything.

muskiefan82
02-09-2017, 11:09 AM
I'm surprised he hasn't started a thread about how "the great talent that Sumner was supposed to be" has simply disappeared over the last three games and that Mack must not be able to get him to play at a higher level.

GOX
02-09-2017, 11:21 AM
He certainly seems to enjoy starting negative threads about......just about anything.

Funny! I will start a blog titled : "XU will win the National Championship Next year!"
That will even things out for our Cheerleaders.

paulxu
02-09-2017, 11:42 AM
Funny! I will start a blog titled : "XU will win the National Championship Next year!"
That will even things out for our Cheerleaders.

Memory hole preservation.

SemajParlor
03-21-2017, 02:15 PM
Big, if true.

GoMuskies
03-21-2017, 02:26 PM
What's big?

XU 87
03-21-2017, 03:01 PM
The title of this thread is a good example of over-the top exaggeration. Has JP made some bad decisions during games this year? Yes (as does every player who plays this game). Does that mean he is "uncoachable"? No.

GetUp5
03-21-2017, 03:41 PM
Funny! I will start a blog titled : "XU will win the National Championship Next year!"
That will even things out for our Cheerleaders.

Threads you've started....

Is JP Macura Coachable?
The Season is Over
The Massacre at Marquette
We All Love Ed... But

Case closed.

Xavier
03-21-2017, 03:58 PM
The guy was an obvious troll and most called it out. Hasn't been around in awhile just proves it. Love when Xavier plays well and the trolls stop coming around. We saw a handful of them this year

Wheelhouse
03-21-2017, 04:05 PM
Threads you've started....

Is JP Macura Coachable?
The Season is Over
The Massacre at Marquette
We All Love Ed... But

Case closed.

Hahaha. I have never noticed that dude before but that is comical.

D-West & PO-Z
03-21-2017, 04:49 PM
Threads you've started....

Is JP Macura Coachable?
The Season is Over
The Massacre at Marquette
We All Love Ed... But

Case closed.

:lmao::lmao::lmao: