Myles Davis

[Harryfe]

No improvement today on offense or defense. He did get 2 fts. Is now 0-6 from the field in a total of 23 minutes. Has 2 to's and no assists. He is booed unmercifully on the road. We would do the same at X. I suspect this affects him mentally. Monday at home will tell us a lot about how much we can expect him to contribute.

[waggy]

Mack said he would have to earn everything.

:unsure:

[X Factor]

I wonder if he's ever gonna be back to where he was last year. He has basically looked like a freshman these past two games. Hasn't really even looked to make anything happen.

Goodin's minutes have been cut in to with his return as well.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No improvement today on offense or defense. He did get 2 fts. Is now 0-6 from the field in a total of 23 minutes. Has 2 to's and no assists. He is booed unmercifully on the road. We would do the same at X. I suspect this affects him mentally. Monday at home will tell us a lot about how much we can expect him to contribute.

I dont think you should expect a whole lot Monday either. And I dont think another similar game Monday will tell us anything about anything in the future.

It has been 6 days guys. After 10 months of no organized basketball activity from him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Goodin's minutes have been cut in to with his return as well.

Which I think is fine.

If this team is going to have a chance of any type of run in the tourney we will need a "full strength" Myles Davis, not an improved freshman Goodin.

[Emp]

Myles on the floor solves only one small issue: too many minutes for Ed. If he just takes minutes from Goodin, that's not helping. When he takes a stupid foul in the backcourt against a clutch free throw shooter, that's not senior leadership.

For all the hopes we've placed on his return, he can't solve the strange issue of road shooting against good defense by our three designated scorers, or the lack of a post offense.

[scoscox]

You guys are judging him pretty harshly here. We could've used him in the game in the early second half. It's good and encouraging to see him back out there.

He's only been on campus now for about a week.

[GoMuskies]

He's a complete liability right now, but it is what it is. He'll be fine by March or we'll be hosed. One or the other.

[Caf]

Dear Lord pump the breaks people. His first 2 games of the year were road games against the #3 and #12 teams in the country. If this was how he played at home against Lehigh and Buffalo I might be concerned.

[X Factor]

Go read this thread: http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?31480-Give-me-myles-davis-or-give-me-death!!

A lot of people were claiming Myles would instantly make this team so much better.

[letskeepitreal]

Yeah I don't understand the expectations from Myles given the long layoff. I think short term expect slightly better ball security and offensive production is a bonus until he gets in game shape. The down side is I think we lose on the defensive end when Goodwin sits.

[letskeepitreal]

In reading this thread, I think I have to agree that if Myles takes Sumners minutes it's probably good as it gets Ed some rest but if he takes Goodins minutes probably not so good.

[scoscox]

Go read this thread: http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?31480-Give-me-myles-davis-or-give-me-death!!

A lot of people were claiming Myles would instantly make this team so much better.

That expectation was obviously inversely related to the length of his suspension.

[XUMIOH12]

In reading this thread, I think I have to agree that if Myles takes Sumners minutes it's probably good as it gets Ed some rest but if he takes Goodins minutes probably not so good.

well its not like Goodin brings much to the table at this point. I'd rather throw Myles out there and hope he gets on track sooner rather than later.

[XUMIOH12]

we have this thread for Myles Davis, why don't we have a specific thread for every player?

[Harryfe]

we have this thread for Myles Davis, why don't we have a specific thread for every player?
Start one for anyone you wish. It's just a blog.
I wonder if Myles did much during his off time to get ready. I'm sure he could have practiced against any number of good players out East. I guess we will never know the answer to that question.

[Juice]

Start one for anyone you wish. It's just a blog.
I wonder if Myles did much during his off time to get ready. I'm sure he could have practiced against any number of good players out East. I guess we will never know the answer to that question.

What's your point?

[AviatorX]

What's your point?

There are a lot of top 15 team D1 guards just sitting around looking for good pickup out East. Can't believe Myles didn't take advantage.

[IM4X]

In reading this thread, I think I have to agree that if Myles takes Sumners minutes it's probably good as it gets Ed some rest but if he takes Goodins minutes probably not so good.

Yeah... I think I'm with you. It makes sense to sub Myles in when Ed (or even JP) needs a breather. One could argue that giving Goodin some more minutes back might prove just as valuable (or even more so) down the road too. After all, he is part of the future.


Had Myles shown up as a positive in almost any way on the floor today I might think differently. He basically just stood there on offense, and got shot over on defense and made a very poor choice on that late foul. I understand why he might want to hold back on throwing up a bunch more 3s this game, but he needs to at least drive and make some contact. If there is anything he can do better than anyone on the team (on any day) without question, it's make free throws.


No matter how cold he might be at shooting from behind the arc, he can quickly go from being a huge liability to an huge asset while in the game, just by driving and drawing fouls. Unlike any other player, it means automatic points for his team when he steps to the line- and boy could they use them.


Get him to the line 10 times and you will see an additional 17+ points and a man with new found confidence quickly.

[xuinmd]

If you have ed and goodin at the 1 and two the defense simply packs it in and dares you to shoot.

[XfansinKy]

Go read this thread: http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?31480-Give-me-myles-davis-or-give-me-death!!

A lot of people were claiming Myles would instantly make this team so much better.

Yea and whoever disagreed got ripped a new one. I'm guessing/hoping he gets his legs under him as well as his rhythm just before tournament time.

[Muskie]

All the people who think it's great that Myles is taking away minutes from Q, I'll remember that next year when you guys say he "hasn't made the jump" or isn't "Big East material".


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[bleedXblue]

Start one for anyone you wish. It's just a blog.
I wonder if Myles did much during his off time to get ready. I'm sure he could have practiced against any number of good players out East. I guess we will never know the answer to that question.

your constant questioning and railing on Myles is a joke. Anyone who knows anything knew it was going to take some time for him to get back up to speed

Just stop

[vee4xu]

I was concerned about team chemistry when Myles returned. But, that hasn't been as much of an issue as I imagined. What is the issue, and had been prior to Myles returning, is the low post. I see now just how much X benefited from having two DI level, older low post players in Farr and Reynolds. They opened up driving lanes and created spacing for the three point shooters. This year, all due respect, O'Mara and Gaston are nowhere near the level of Farr and Reynolds. As a result, teams have looked at the tape, packed the lane taking away anything inside, including driving lanes and turned X into a jump shooting team, which isn't their strength. Until and unless O'Mara and Gaston play in such a way as to warrant the opponents to account for them on offense, not much will change, I'm afraid. So far, O'Mara has not developed like so many other X big men before him. And Gaston plays hard and is a warrior, but if he was initially a high DI prospect he would not have started his career at Nichols State. In the end, I'm hoping that things will gel in time for the BE and NCAA tourneys. There's certainly enough time.

[vee4xu]

Let me add FTs to the concern list. X has now lost two games that could have been won, including yesterday, had they made just half of the many FTs they missed. In D1 basketball, that comes close to being inexcusable. Sorry, but that's how I feel. They're called FREE throws for a reason.

[bleedXblue]

I was concerned about team chemistry when Myles returned. But, that hasn't been as much of an issue as I imagined. What is the issue, and had been prior to Myles returning, is the low post. I see now just how much X benefited from having two DI level, older low post players in Farr and Reynolds. They opened up driving lanes and created spacing for the three point shooters. This year, all due respect, O'Mara and Gaston are nowhere near the level of Farr and Reynolds. As a result, teams have looked at the tape, packed the lane taking away anything inside, including driving lanes and turned X into a jump shooting team, which isn't their strength. Until and unless O'Mara and Gaston play in such a way as to warrant the opponents to account for them on offense, not much will change, I'm afraid. So far, O'Mara has not developed like so many other X big men before him. And Gaston plays hard and is a warrior, but if he was initially a high DI prospect he would not have started his career at Nichols State. In the end, I'm hoping that things will gel in time for the BE and NCAA tourneys. There's certainly enough time.

Agree. I don't see O'Mara has a high DI caliber player. No disrespect intended. He's just not all that talented and doesn't bring more than an occasional basket here or there. He's not a shot blocker and he's not a high level rebounder.
Gaston I think has more offensive capability but he also doesn't defend well or rebound at a high level.
Man we miss Farr and Reynolds.
Personally Id like to see more Jones even if its just an additional 3-4 minutes a game. Let the kid learn and develop and maybe by March he's bringing some consistency to the post

[D-West & PO-Z]

All the people who think it's great that Myles is taking away minutes from Q, I'll remember that next year when you guys say he "hasn't made the jump" or isn't "Big East material".


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There is no way Chris Mack is coaching this years team with a single care about next years team. Right now this year is all that matters to the team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let me add FTs to the concern list. X has now lost two games that could have been won, including yesterday, had they made just half of the many FTs they missed. In D1 basketball, that comes close to being inexcusable. Sorry, but that's how I feel. They're called FREE throws for a reason.

Yeah I mean it stinks we arent a great FT shooting team but we shot 71% yesterday and the season avg before the game was 69%. Our FT shooting kind of is what it is at this point. I wouldnt expect it to change much. Only thing I can see is as Myles gets more into the games and starts getting to the line more it may help give a bump.

[Caf]

Yea and whoever disagreed got ripped a new one. I'm guessing/hoping he gets his legs under him as well as his rhythm just before tournament time.

I avoided that thread like the plague. Nothing worse than people debating over their predictions of the future. This is the same.

As some have voiced, I think his impact will be seen most in Ed's role. Sometimes Ed is just too damn fast. Myles does a good job of being a more traditional and slow paced point guard who starts a set offense. I hope this lets Ed get back into the role of a slasher.

[xuinmd]

Goodin reminds me of larry austin athletic, good defender but cannot shoot even from the free throw line.

[bleedXblue]

Goodin reminds me of larry austin athletic, good defender but cannot shoot even from the free throw line.

We've had some pretty good point guards that more controlled tempo and distributed the ball. Lumpkin, Jamal Walker etc. I say play to your strengths and Goodwin definitely has good size and speed, but needs to look to create more oppty's for his teammates. Pass first please.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Yeah I mean it stinks we arent a great FT shooting team but we shot 71% yesterday and the season avg before the game was 69%. Our FT shooting kind of is what it is at this point. I wouldnt expect it to change much. Only thing I can see is as Myles gets more into the games and starts getting to the line more it may help give a bump.

Ed was fantastic at the line yesterday. Which is a good sign since they way he plays he should go to the line often. The rest of the team only made 61% of their foul shots yesterday. Far too many times they went 1 for 2.

[XUFan09]

We've had some pretty good point guards that more controlled tempo and distributed the ball. Lumpkin, Jamal Walker etc. I say play to your strengths and Goodwin definitely has good size and speed, but needs to look to create more oppty's for his teammates. Pass first please.
Although he does get tunnel vision from time to time, Goodin only takes 11.0% of the team's shots when on the floor (that's really low) and has an assist rate of 20.9%. He generally is passing first.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

Ed was fantastic at the line yesterday. Which is a good sign since they way he plays he should go to the line often. The rest of the team only made 61% of their foul shots yesterday. Far too many times they went 1 for 2.

Yeah true. Next game though maybe a few of those players make a few more and Ed probably doesnt shoot 92% so it probably still comes out about the same. I just think as a team on a nightly basis we probably dont shoot much better than that 71% mark give or take.

[XUFan09]

Yeah true. Next game though maybe a few of those players make a few more and Ed probably doesnt shoot 92% so it probably still comes out about the same. I just think as a team on a nightly basis we probably dont shoot much better than that 71% mark give or take.
Yep. It was kind of weird that everyone else was having a bad or mediocre day at the line while Ed was having a fantastic day there.

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[BandAid]

This thread probably doesn't exist if the ref calls a three-shot foul at the end.

[xu82]

This thread probably doesn't exist if the ref calls a three-shot foul at the end.

Or possibly give us possession after the ball is clearly off Butler unde the basket, but that's life on the road. All the more reason we need to hold serve at home. No road games are easy, but other than AT Creighton the worst part is over, and we almost split the last 2. That's the optimist in me.

[LA Muskie]

Get him to the line 10 times and you will see an additional 17+ points and a man with new found confidence quickly.

Is that all we need to do? Well hell, why stop at just 20 FT attempts per game? Why don't we just get him to the line every time down the court? We'd be scoring about 130 pts per game, he'd be leading the NCAA in scoring, and the other team would be out of players. We'd also be the first team in history to win the NCAA championship while finishing dead last in FG%.


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[XUMIOH12]

Hell while we're at it why don't we just get him to the line every time down the court? We'd be scoring about 130 pts per game, he'd be leading the NCAA in scoring, and the other team would be out of players. We'd also be the first team in history to win the NCAA championship while finishing dead last in FG%.


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that sounds like a pretty good plan. Let's tell coach Mack about it, he'd probably get that to happen.

[LA Muskie]

Or possibly give us possession after the ball is clearly off Butler unde the basket, but that's life on the road. All the more reason we need to hold serve at home. No road games are easy, but other than AT Creighton the worst part is over, and we almost split the last 2. That's the optimist in me.

Woulda coulda shoulda. Occasionally make an open shot from beyond 5 feet and we don't need every call.

As for those calls, from my seat on the sofa it looked like they bungled the out of bounds call but got the right call on Myles.


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[Muskie]

There is no way Chris Mack is coaching this years team with a single care about next years team. Right now this year is all that matters to the team.

If you say so I guess. You can't tell me that Jones and Goodin getting a few more minutes is bad for this team.


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[XfansinKy]

If you say so I guess. You can't tell me that Jones and Goodin getting a few more minutes is bad for this team.


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Not gonna get much better sitting. Goodin doesn't play scared and Jones is capable of doing something spectacular occasionally. They at least have that.

[XUFan09]

Woulda coulda shoulda. Occasionally make an open shot from beyond 5 feet and we don't need every call.

As for those calls, from my seat on the sofa it looked like they bungled the out of bounds call but got the right call on Myles.


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Yep. The Myles call was a really good call. I just hated it.

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[BandAid]

Woulda coulda shoulda. Occasionally make an open shot from beyond 5 feet and we don't need every call.

As for those calls, from my seat on the sofa it looked like they bungled the out of bounds call but got the right call on Myles.


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I agree. That call could've gone either way. I'm not upset about it. The out of bounds call five seconds after Tre fouled out though...woof. Terrible call.

[bleedXblue]

I agree. That call could've gone either way. I'm not upset about it. The out of bounds call five seconds after Tre fouled out though...woof. Terrible call.

And how is that not looked at?

[XUMIOH12]

And how is that not looked at?

wasn't there more than 2 minutes left on the clock still for that one?

[LA Muskie]

wasn't there more than 2 minutes left on the clock still for that one?

Correct. There was more than 2:00 left so it was not reviewable.

[IM4X]

Is that all we need to do? Well hell, why stop at just 20 FT attempts per game? Why don't we just get him to the line every time down the court? We'd be scoring about 130 pts per game, he'd be leading the NCAA in scoring, and the other team would be out of players. We'd also be the first team in history to win the NCAA championship while finishing dead last in FG%.


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Uh... Wow... not sure how to respond. I didn't say "That's all we need to do." But I guess you like the idea of him being put in the game so he can standing around on offense (doing absolutely zilch) or maybe you think it's more beneficial to the team for him to go back to launching a bunch of 3s that clank off the rim.

Look, the guy is struggling with his outside shot and yet fortunately he just happens to be the best free throw shooter on the team (shots he is not struggling to make). Everytime he gets to the line (whether that be 1 or 5 or 10 times) he is helping the team as well as building his confidence back up. But hey, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you believe Myles can best help his situation and the team at this point. Seriously... I'd love to hear it.

[LA Muskie]

Uh... Wow... not sure how to respond. I didn't say "That's all we need to do." But I guess you like the idea of him being put in the game so he can standing around on offense (doing absolutely zilch) or maybe you think it's more beneficial to the team for him to go back to launching a bunch of 3s that clank off the rim.

Look, the guy is struggling with his outside shot and yet fortunately he just happens to be the best free throw shooter on the team (shots he is not struggling to make). Everytime he gets to the line (whether that be 1 or 5 or 10 times) he is helping the team as well as building his confidence back up. But hey, I'd love to hear your thoughts on how you believe Myles can best help his situation and the team at this point. Seriously... I'd love to hear it.
Admittedly that was a snarky comment. I apologize. But seriously, I think you underestimate what it takes to draw a foul. Right now, I think Myles is far more likely to turn the ball over than get to the line. He's got serious rust. Which frankly I figured would be the case. I think initial expectations for him were horribly unreasonable. It's going to take him some time. (I think we all know that now...)

[IM4X]

Admittedly that was a snarky comment. I apologize. But seriously, I think you underestimate what it takes to draw a foul. Right now, I think Myles is far more likely to turn the ball over than get to the line. He's got serious rust. Which frankly I figured would be the case. I think initial expectations for him were horribly unreasonable. It's going to take him some time. (I think we all know that now...)

We're good. Appology accepted. Actually, it's not that I underestimate what it takes to draw a foul- but it is possible I may be underestimating what it takes for Myles to draw a foul. Ed draws fouls easily - but then he is more explosive and more athletic player than Myles. Plus, Myles is indeed still rusty. On the other hand, Myles is a senior and he has been effective at drawing fouls in games before. Though, I'll admit it's highly unlikely he'd get to the line 10 times in a game (especially with the limited minutes he's getting).

Still, my point stands that Mack needs to try somerhing to build Myles's confidence while at the same making sure he is a net positive while on the floor. Drawing fouls and making free throws would do both. Now if Myles attempts to drive and in the process, only turns the ball over or is unable to make the bucket or even draw a foul, then it's time to give his minutes to someone faster who can draw a foul (like Goodin).

[XfansinKy]

2-3 weeks and he'll be fine.

[GOX]

Hopefully Myles will improve to a point where he resembles the player he was and we knew.
Many have referred to him being "rusty".
I see a player that is "lost".
We knew about the incident that resulted in his suspension but we never factored in what that ordeal did to his psyche.
I hope, for reasons unconnected to basketball, he regains his confidence.
Until that happens, we can not expect much from him while on the court.

[muskieindent]

Hopefully Myles will improve to a point where he resembles the player he was and we knew.
Many have referred to him being "rusty".
I see a player that is "lost".
We knew about the incident that resulted in his suspension but we never factored in what that ordeal did to his psyche.
I hope, for reasons unconnected to basketball, he regains his confidence.
Until that happens, we can not expect much from him while on the court.
I agree.I wonder where he is between the ears.Obviously every road crowd is going to get on him Can't imagine what the UC crowd will be like.Plus you're sticking him into a team that has been playing without him since October.I hope this works out come March but I have my doubts

[bleedXblue]

Myles is human. He is not a robot. You don't just plug a guy into two tough road games where NO ONE ELSE PLAYED VERY WELL EITHER (except Ed in the last 10 minutes of the Butler game).

Myles will be fine.......

[GOX]

Not sure what your point is.
Mack should not have played him in two tough road games?
Myles would have played well if everyone else did?

[bleedXblue]

Not sure what your point is.
Mack should not have played him in two tough road games?
Myles would have played well if everyone else did?

I'm not sure what your point is either? Why aren't you questioning every other player on the roster and their psyche?

[XUFan09]

Myles is human. He is not a robot. You don't just plug a guy into two tough road games where NO ONE ELSE PLAYED VERY WELL EITHER (except Ed in the last 10 minutes of the Butler game).

Myles will be fine.......

Yeah, I expected Myles to play poorly in the first few games back, especially since it wasn't the likes of St. John's or Eastern Washington or something like that. I don't know if he will reach 100% this season, as going that long without even D1 practice makes him really rusty, but he'll at least be decent in the future.

[XfansinKy]

He'll be fine in February.

[GoMuskies]

This week will be his first real stretch of practice. So Sunday should be interesting for Myles.

[vee4xu]

Myles looked slow and a little bit lost out there today. He looks like someone entering the season at mid-year. His shots were not good and he missed his only two foul shots. I'll keep my powder dry on the topic until after Georgetown and UC.

[Harryfe]

Can't do anything in front of a home crowd. Missed 2 fts and missed the rim on a lay up. I did notice his enthusiasm on the bench. Im beginning to think he didn't do much in his down time. I'm sure there are several places out East he could have been playing and practicing with ex college players. Maybe should never have brought him back. I know most will disagree with this but we need to win some games to get in the tourney. I guess we would have lost these games if he was not on the floor, but so far he has been a detriment.

[Juice]

Can't do anything in front of a home crowd. Missed 2 fts and missed the rim on a lay up. I did notice his enthusiasm on the bench. Im beginning to think he didn't do much in his down time. I'm sure there are several places out East he could have been playing and practicing with ex college players. Maybe should never have brought him back. I know most will disagree with this but we need to win some games to get in the tourney. I guess we would have lost these games if he was not on the floor, but so far he has been a detriment.

Where are these places? Who are these ex-players? And why the hell would they willingly give up their free time to play basketball with Myles Davis?

And also, if the season ended today, we are in the tournament. Not only are we in, I'm guessing at lowest an 8 seed. The team lacks a big win, but they don't have any bad losses. One of the five losses was at home to a top 10 team. The other four losses are all on the road. The team hasn't played to the expectations we all had before this season but Jesus Christ, they're a tournament team.

[Harryfe]

Where are these places? Who are these ex-players? And why the hell would they willingly give up their free time to play basketball with Myles Davis?

And also, if the season ended today, we are in the tournament. Not only are we in, I'm guessing at lowest an 8 seed. The team lacks a big win, but they don't have any bad losses. One of the five losses was at home to a top 10 team. The other four losses are all on the road. The team hasn't played to the expectations we all had before this season but Jesus Christ, they're a tournament team.
As many have put on this blog we would be currentlya bubble team since we have no GOOD wins.
In most metropolitan areas there are leagues made up of ex college and high school players that I believe Myles would have been eligible to play in???

[Juice]

As many have put on this blog we would be currentlya bubble team since we have no GOOD wins.
In most metropolitan areas there are leagues made up of ex college and high school players that I believe Myles would have been eligible to play in???

We have two good wins. Clemson and Wake are both top 50 teams on KenPom. And they're both top 50 teams in RPI if you want to use antiquated measures.

And I highly doubt he would be eligible to play in those if the NCAA regulates what leagues they can play in in the off season, and I'm sure it's regulated x 100 during the season.

[AviatorX]

As many have put on this blog we would be currentlya bubble team since we have no GOOD wins.
In most metropolitan areas there are leagues made up of ex college and high school players that I believe Myles would have been eligible to play in???

Can we please not pretend this team is on the bubble? Lunardi has X as a 6 today. Not even 100% positive that was before the Creighton loss, but either way losing to a top 10 team does not move you from a 6 seed to the bubble.

[XMuskieFTW]

Can we please not pretend this team is on the bubble? Lunardi has X as a 6 today. Not even 100% positive that was before the Creighton loss, but either way losing to a top 10 team does not move you from a 6 seed to the bubble.

Thank you. The only way we start talking bubble is if this team finishes the season 7-7 or so from here on out maybe 6-8 with the difficulty of the remaining schedule. Unless we really implode down the stretch I don't see that happening. I'd much rather struggle now and peak in March as opposed to peaking in November last year and fading in March.

[XUMIOH12]

As many have put on this blog we would be currentlya bubble team since we have no GOOD wins.
In most metropolitan areas there are leagues made up of ex college and high school players that I believe Myles would have been eligible to play in???

do you not pay attention to college basketball? Xavier is far from being on the bubble at this point.

[muskieindent]

Thank you. The only way we start talking bubble is if this team finishes the season 7-7 or so from here on out maybe 6-8 with the difficulty of the remaining schedule. Unless we really implode down the stretch I don't see that happening. I'd much rather struggle now and peak in March as opposed to peaking in November last year and fading in March.

Outside of Colorado all are losses are to quality teams and CU isn't a bad loss.What could be a concern is losing to any of the other BE teams .We certainly aren't in trouble but when you lose 3 straight,everyone gets a little anxious.
As far as Myles,not sure he is going to be any help.I hope I'm wrong .Hopefully he isn't disrupting team chemistry.

[mirabilelectu]

Outside of Colorado all are losses are to quality teams and CU isn't a bad loss.What could be a concern is losing to any of the other BE teams .We certainly aren't in trouble but when you lose 3 straight,everyone gets a little anxious.
As far as Myles,not sure he is going to be any help.I hope I'm wrong .Hopefully he isn't disrupting team chemistry.

I agree, not bubbling quite yet. However, because we haven't nabbed any big wins yet, we have to avoid bad losses. I don't know about you guys, but I don't feel confident going on the road and winning anywhere in the BE. I might get some flak for that statement, but watching us routinely commit TOs, miss FTs, and shoot poorly has me worried about any road trip. We just missed more free throws at home than the opposing team even took while committing 17 TOs; I get that those numbers comprise (hopefully) a nadir of our stats, but if we approach any of those numbers in any game, all of the teams in this league are good enough to take advantage. We need to pick up a big win or 3, if not, we might be sweating out some of these games which we had (and seemingly some still "are") chalked up as wins.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Outside of Colorado all are losses are to quality teams and CU isn't a bad loss.What could be a concern is losing to any of the other BE teams .We certainly aren't in trouble but when you lose 3 straight,everyone gets a little anxious.
As far as Myles,not sure he is going to be any help.I hope I'm wrong .Hopefully he isn't disrupting team chemistry.

Jesus H, can we pump the brakes on this sentiment for just a moment?!? You're not the only one here echoing these feelings so this isn't meant as a direct attack on your opinion but holy Hell... Guys, Myles Davis just went almost ten full months without practicing or playing HIGH-LEVEL D1 basketball. He literally just started participating in team activities eight days ago and during that stretch was being reintegrated into the lineup against three of the best basketball teams in the country.

While he was by all accounts doing conditioning activities and presumably basketball drills to keep his skills sharpened, NOTHING prepares you for game speed and situations other than actual practice and live game minutes. Allow me to make an analogy that hopefully most here can follow and inserts a little sanity into this discussion...

Let's pretend Joey Votto were to (for whatever non-injury related reason) miss all of Spring training and the first two months of the regular season. I think we can all agree that Joey Votto's past performances would leave you to believe he is still a very effective and proficient hitter. Now, at the end of his hiatus the Reds immediately place him back on the active roster without any rehab starts. The only pitching he's faced is in a cage. In his first three starts after being recalled, with only 2 batting practice sessions under his belt, he faces Madison Baumgarner, Max Scherzer, and Clayton Kershaw, who by the way are already in mid-season form. Presume he goes 0-12 in those ABs with 10 Ks and just looks entirely uncomfortable doing so. Are you ready to write off his God given ability to hit a baseball for the rest of the season? An ability that he has proven over YEARS of production. Or maybe do you sit back and say; "The guy has proven himself in the past and he's trying to regain a stroke against some of the stiffest competition there is". It's going to take some time to knock of the rust. The only way to regain that form is to face live competition and play through the initial struggles.

Myles missing the first semester of the season is his fault. If you were expecting him to waltz back into this rotation and be in mid-season form, that's your fault. It's going to take some time. Just remember, he didn't forget how to play basketball during his suspension. We've seen him be really good before and he will be really good again. It's just a matter of how long it will take, but it will happen.

[muskieindent]

Do we really know what Myles was doing the last 3 or 4 months ?As for the Votto analogy,the Reds would send him to AAA before bringing him up. We don't have a farm team

[bleedXblue]

Do we really know what Myles was doing the last 3 or 4 months ?As for the Votto analogy,the Reds would send him to AAA before bringing him up. We don't have a farm team

Can we send Tre to AAA, he needs work on his shot and Gaston needs help with bunny put backs that could have won the game. Geesh, Myles averaged 10 PPG last year. This isn't David West or Jordan Crawford coming back from a suspension.

[AviatorX]

Do we really know what Myles was doing the last 3 or 4 months ?As for the Votto analogy,the Reds would send him to AAA before bringing him up. We don't have a farm team

I think that's the point.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

I think that's the point.

Exactly. He's literally being inserted into the rotation without seeing live competition in ten months. As far as what he's been doing for the past several months; who knows for certain. However, from what I have heard, he did have to meet conditioning/weight goals once reinstated and he did that so he obviously kept himself in decent physical shape. I doubt he just picked up a ball for the first time last Sunday so you'd guess he was doing some sort of basketball/shooting related activity. There's just no substitution for live speed competition though and he's coming in "cold" against high-level competition who are already in mid-season form. It's going to take some time.

[drudy23]

Exactly. He's literally being inserted into the rotation without seeing live competition in ten months. As far as what he's been doing for the past several months; who knows for certain. However, from what I have heard, he did have to meet conditioning/weight goals once reinstated and he did that so he obviously kept himself in decent physical shape. I doubt he just picked up a ball for the first time last Sunday so you'd guess he was doing some sort of basketball/shooting related activity. There's just no substitution for live speed competition though and he's coming in "cold" against high-level competition who are already in mid-season form. It's going to take some time.

And not just live speed competition...live speed competition from the number 3, 8, and 12 team in the nation...or whatever they were.

Unfortunately, there's no bye games left to get his feet under him.

[Juice]

And not just live speed competition...live speed competition from the number 3, 8, and 12 team in the nation...or whatever they were.

Unfortunately, there's no bye games left to get his feet under him.

Depaul twice?

[GoMuskies]

Depaul twice?

And St. John's again. Oh, and Georgetown on Sunday. Sad but true.

[Harryfe]

It is not as if he is just below expectations he has been detrimental to the team when he is in there. And was no better in his 3rd game than his first. Perhaps he will game ready for the NIT.

[Juice]

It is not as if he is just below expectations he has been detrimental to the team when he is in there. And was no better in his 3rd game than his first. Perhaps he will game ready for the NIT.

Cool post guy. You add lots of intelligent shit to this board.

[XMuskieFTW]

Myles first practice with the team was last Monday, but that was just a walk through. Game Tuesday, day off Wednesday, competitive practice Thursday, walk through Friday, game saturday, walk through Sunday, game monday, day off yesterday, competitive practice today. So in total, Myles has seen about 35 minutes of game time and today was only his second competitive practice since being back. I don't know how anyone had any expectations the first 3 games. It's going to take until probably February until we see some sort of Myles we remember. Even if we only get the equivalent of sophomore year Myles back at some point that would be huge. Also anyone who is shocked by bad defensive plays from him should remember he was probably our second worst defender coming into this season only behind Tyrique.

[xeus]

It is not as if he is just below expectations he has been detrimental to the team when he is in there. And was no better in his 3rd game than his first. Perhaps he will game ready for the NIT.

There's that fine line between being critical and objective, and just being an asshole. I see you've found it. And crossed it. High five!

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Myles first practice with the team was last Monday, but that was just a walk through. Game Tuesday, day off Wednesday, competitive practice Thursday, walk through Friday, game saturday, walk through Sunday, game monday, day off yesterday, competitive practice today. So in total, Myles has seen about 35 minutes of game time and today was only his second competitive practice since being back. I don't know how anyone had any expectations the first 3 games. It's going to take until probably February until we see some sort of Myles we remember. Even if we only get the equivalent of sophomore year Myles back at some point that would be huge. Also anyone who is shocked by bad defensive plays from him should remember he was probably our second worst defender coming into this season only behind Tyrique.

It's crazy how some people fail to grasp just how difficult it was going to be for Myles to be reintegrated into the lineup during this stretch virtually starting from scratch. I agree, probably late February is when we should realistically expect to see some semblance of the Myles we remember. As far as defensively, Myles no doubt is below average when it comes to on-the-ball. However, I think he actually makes up for it somewhat with his intuition when he's not guarding the ball. He has a knack for stepping into a passing lane or coming from the weak side to strip the ball. He did that against Creighton where he crashed the weak side post and stole the ball from I believe Patton who had no idea he was coming.

[Xavier_Musketeers]

I definitely agree that it will take him some time to get back to normal, but I just wish that Myles would just go off during the Crosstown Shootout. Everyone knows he will get booed so it would be nice to see everything click for him that game to shut the crowd up and be the first person to go 4-0 against UC

[GOX]

Mack is progressively bringing Myles back into ganmes with the hope that he will at some point contribute .
Nobody knows if he will , if ever, be the contributor he once was.
When it comes to the UC game, he may decide it is not the venue where Myles will progress and the team will benefit.
The vitriol will be enormous.
When, as a coach, you put one player on the court who brings the opposing fans to heightened fervor, you take the risk the rest of the team becomes distracted if not shook.
Why take that risk in a game that will be tenuous at best.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mack is progressively bringing Myles back into ganmes with the hope that he will at some point contribute .
Nobody knows if he will , if ever, be the contributor he once was.
When it comes to the UC game, he may decide it is not the venue where Myles will progress and the team will benefit.
The vitriol will be enormous.
When, as a coach, you put one player on the court who brings the opposing fans to heightened fervor, you take the risk the rest of the team becomes distracted if not shook.
Why take that risk in a game that will be tenuous at best.

Huh? I am sorry but this makes no sense to me. I guess Duke should sit Grayson Allen every game the rest of the year? It is one thing if Myles isnt helping or contributing but if he gets back into the swing of things and starts to contribute who cares how much the fans boo him. Given the fact he has played as much as he is in these other games and not contributing much I wouldnt hold your breath that Mack decides to sit Myles against UC.

[xu82]

The UC game might just be the thing that gets Myles going, you never know... I wouldn't be afraid to try.

[Harryfe]

I think all have to be disappointed in Myles contributions since his return. I think the boos on the road may have gotten to him. I don't think comparing him to Grayson Allen is apropo. Allen is arguably an All American and is in basketball condition physically ((although immature emotionally). Can you really expect him to rise to the occasion at UC? That would be great but seems like a high pressure situation.

[XMuskieFTW]

I think all have to be disappointed in Myles contributions since his return. I think the boos on the road may have gotten to him. I don't think comparing him to Grayson Allen is apropo. Allen is arguably an All American and is in basketball condition physically ((although immature emotionally). Can you really expect him to rise to the occasion at UC? That would be great but seems like a high pressure situation.

Sounds like your expectations for Myles return were meteoric. Who expected him to come in against top 15 teams without practiting and be himself? Boos haven't gotten to him, rust has.

[LA Muskie]

I think all have to be disappointed in Myles contributions since his return. I think the boos on the road may have gotten to him. I don't think comparing him to Grayson Allen is apropo. Allen is arguably an All American and is in basketball condition physically ((although immature emotionally). Can you really expect him to rise to the occasion at UC? That would be great but seems like a high pressure situation.
I'm not disappointed in Myles. I'm disappointed in those who expected that he could jump back in, with so little practice, and be productive against 3 Top 12 teams (2 on the road). And I'm trying my best not to substitute my judgment for that of Chris Mack, but I do question the advisability of throwing him into that sh!tstorm. Both for Myles and the team.

[Harryfe]

I agree. Hard situation for CM. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Can you imagine the criticism on this board if he had not played him a significant amount in these games? The losses would have been blamed on not playing Myles.

[Caf]

Ummmmm wtf?

[BMoreX]

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[Muskie]

Checking into the validity of this.


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[THRILLHOUSE]

Huh...welp, alright Myles. When he made the following tweets last night, I didn't think anything of it. Just chalked it up to Myles being Myles. Well whatever's going on, hope Myles can get everything together and find happiness.

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[THRILLHOUSE]

Checking into the validity of this.


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Well, it's coming directly from Myles twitter account. So seems pretty legit. Unless he's been hacked.

[markchal]

Well, this certainly changes my outlook for the rest of the year.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Well, this certainly changes my outlook for the rest of the year.

Yeah, we are going streaking now! Addition via subtraction! (I'm choosing to take the optimistic route, as misguided as that might be at the moment)

[mistabeecee41]

Good luck to him but Kid needs to get his shit together.

[GoMuskies]

Well, that was a shitty senior year. Gary Lumpkin thinks Myles Davis sucked as a senior. Lol

[Muskie]

Well, it's coming directly from Myles twitter account. So seems pretty legit. Unless he's been hacked.

I just saw it on Facebook clipped from something else. So wasn't sure.


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[whopper]

I am profoundly sad as I root for a non athletic player who gets the most from his ability. He showed leadership last year and this situation totally derailed him. He does not have the athletic ability to play without total focus and preparation..I have known a few players like that. If they had went 2 and 1 he may have stayed but he may have felt a distraction. Best of luck to a player I identified with and i hope that he can stay on the periphery and help the team and I hope he got his degree. He had a sweet 16 and a good junior year and not many can say that

[drudy23]

I find it very hard to believe he quit on his teammates because he felt he wasn't contributing. There has to be more to the story.

[TUclutch]

I am profoundly sad as I root for a non athletic player who gets the most from his ability. He showed leadership last year and this situation totally derailed him. He does not have the athletic ability to play without total focus and preparation..I have known a few players like that. If they had went 2 and 1 he may have stayed but he may have felt a distraction. Best of luck to a player I identified with and i hope that he can stay on the periphery and help the team and I hope he got his degree. He had a sweet 16 and a good junior year and not many can say that

Why do people keep saying this or anything similar. He graduated last year. If he hadn't he wouldnt have been eligible this season. As for staying on the periphery and help the team I would say thats unlikely. I bet he leaves ohio and doesnt come back.

Im really hoping he didn't make another mistake with trying to reach out to his ex.

[markchal]

I find it very hard to believe he quit on his teammates because he felt he wasn't contributing. There has to be more to the story.

This has to be Mack kicking him off the team, right? This guy paid his own way his first year, he put up with a crazy long suspension and is fighting his way back onto a top-25 team as one of our most experienced guys. No way he's just walking away without someone forcing him that direction.

[TUclutch]

This has to be Mack kicking him off the team, right? This guy paid his own way his first year, he put up with a crazy long suspension and is fighting his way back onto a top-25 team as one of our most experienced guys. No way he's just walking away without someone forcing him that direction.

Something wouldve had to happen for Mack to kick him off

[THRILLHOUSE]

This has to be Mack kicking him off the team, right? This guy paid his own way his first year, he put up with a crazy long suspension and is fighting his way back onto a top-25 team as one of our most experienced guys. No way he's just walking away without someone forcing him that direction.

Maybe. According to Patrick Brennan today was supposed to be an open practice, then Mack made it a closed practice at the last minute.

[AviatorX]

No way this is purely Myles walking away.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

This most definitely was not Myles' decision. Now his behavior may have dictated the decision but he did not just up and decide to leave. That's all I can say.

[BMoreX]

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[TUclutch]

Xavier coach Chris Mack on Myles Davis departure: "Myles and I met earlier this morning. As Myles has stated, he has left our basketball program. He and his family have asked for privacy and can share more information if they see fit." -Jeff Goodman

[XUGRAD80]

If it had NOT been his choice then there would have been an announcement by the SCHOOL (coaches/administration) that he had been dismissed. Since it was HIS tweet, and because of the content of that tweet, I can not see where anyone would get the idea that this was anything but HIS decision.

Now he may have been given an ultimatum in regards to something, his ex may have applied pressure to the school, he may have realized that his heart was no longer in it, he may have had a personal problem with someone on the coaching staff or a teammate, who knows? We will probably never know the reason for this decision, but I have little or no doubt that it was HIS decision.

[jhelmes37]

If it had NOT been his choice then there would have been an announcement by the SCHOOL (coaches/administration) that he had been dismissed. Since it was HIS tweet, and because of the content of that tweet, I can not see where anyone would get the idea that this was anything but HIS decision.

Now he may have been given an ultimatum in regards to something, his ex may have applied pressure to the school, he may have realized that his heart was no longer in it, he may have had a personal problem with someone on the coaching staff or a teammate, who knows? We will probably never know the reason for this decision, but I have little or no doubt that it was HIS decision.

No way.

Any school will give the player a chance to save face.

No way would a school say: "Myles has been dismissed for violating rules."

If they did, bye bye recruits..........

[ReturnOfTheMack]

If it had NOT been his choice then there would have been an announcement by the SCHOOL (coaches/administration) that he had been dismissed. Since it was HIS tweet, and because of the content of that tweet, I can not see where anyone would get the idea that this was anything but HIS decision.

Now he may have been given an ultimatum in regards to something, his ex may have applied pressure to the school, he may have realized that his heart was no longer in it, he may have had a personal problem with someone on the coaching staff or a teammate, who knows? We will probably never know the reason for this decision, but I have little or no doubt that it was HIS decision.

Start doubting it my friend. It was not his decision. For very good reasons, I'm very confident in saying that.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Why would the school force him out ? If Myles is not contributing to the team, Mack can just not play him. Forcing a player, esp. a senior, to quit like this is not good for anybody. Will we ever know for sure?

[ReturnOfTheMack]

No way.

Any school will give the player a chance to save face.

No way would a school say: "Myles has been dismissed for violating rules."

If they did, bye bye recruits..........

Uh, I can think of a thousand instances where schools/programs state that a player is being dismissed for violation of team rules and/or student conduct. Dez Wells or Dedrick Finn anyone?

[LA Muskie]

If it had NOT been his choice then there would have been an announcement by the SCHOOL (coaches/administration) that he had been dismissed. Since it was HIS tweet, and because of the content of that tweet, I can not see where anyone would get the idea that this was anything but HIS decision.
I love ya 80. But nope. I'm working on getting details, but based on what I knew about his return it would be nearly unprecedented if this was his choice.

[OH.X.MI]

Uh, I can think of a thousand instances where schools/programs state that a player is being dismissed for violation of team rules and/or student conduct. Dez Wells or Dedrick Finn anyone?

7 years and two Mack recruits have crossed the four year finish line by my count. Makes you wonder....

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Why would the school force him out ? If Myles is not contributing to the team, Mack can just not play him. Forcing a player, esp. a senior, to quit like this is not good for anybody. Will we ever know for sure?

Let's just say I have a hunch that this departure had nothing to do with on court performance and the reason Myles is no longer with the program will disseminate at some point.

[HenryMuto]

Such a promising season going by the boards.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Myles' name is no longer on our team roster.

[GuyFawkes38]

7 years and two Mack recruits have crossed the four year finish line by my count. Makes you wonder....

Hmmm. This is a bit puzzling....

Good luck to Myles. Taken in total, he had a really good X career.

[THRILLHOUSE]

So Mack and Myles met in the morning. The Myles tweets about being lied to and there being crooks in this world were also from this morning. Yeah, I'm agreeing with those that say this was not solely Myles decision.

[LA Muskie]

Why would the school force him out ? If Myles is not contributing to the team, Mack can just not play him. Forcing a player, esp. a senior, to quit like this is not good for anybody. Will we ever know for sure?
It has absolutely, positively, nothing whatsoever to do with his on-court performance. Of that I can assure you.

[Harryfe]

I agree that it was not solely Myles decision. I trust Mack had good reason if he dismissed him from the team.

[LA Muskie]

7 years and two Mack recruits have crossed the four year finish line by my count. Makes you wonder....

You do know that Myles graduated, right?

[casualfan]

You do know that Myles graduated, right?

I think hes saying only 2 guys have played a full 4 years.

[OH.X.MI]

You do know that Myles graduated, right?

Yes, should have clarified.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

That means SOMETHING bad must have happened to Myles since his return to the team. He said that he's been lied to. Did he mean the coach or school or someone else? I don't think the school or Myles have foreseen this, or why come back at all.

[LA Muskie]

That means SOMETHING bad must have happened to Myles since his return to the team. He said that he's been lied to. Did he mean the coach or school or someone else? I don't think the school or Myles have foreseen this, or why come back at all.
You are correct that this certainly wasn't anyone's plan. This whole episode has been horrible. For everyone involved.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That means SOMETHING bad must have happened to Myles since his return to the team. He said that he's been lied to. Did he mean the coach or school or someone else? I don't think the school or Myles have foreseen this, or why come back at all.

Unless he means his ex lied and reported he contacted her in some way or something. Or someone else reported him doing something he shouldnt have been. (totally speculating, not even guess, just other ppl he could mean lied)

[xu82]

I don't need or even want to know what happened. I just wish all the best for Myles and trust coach Mack to manage the situation and do what's best for all concerned. Certainly unfortunate, but sometimes life is like that. Let it be a lesson and move on.

[XU 87]

I think hes saying only 2 guys have played a full 4 years.

I'm not sure of the point being made in this era of players transferring due to lack of playing time, players transferring in their senior year, players starting college at age 19 and then being declared ineligible their freshman year,or players leaving school early to go pro (See Semaj and Reynolds). In addition, Mack has been here 7 years. So mathematically, you can't consider his first three years.

So that leaves us with his last four years. What could have been this year's senior class was Randolph and the guy from PA, both of whom were recruited under difficult circumstances (after Wells expulsion). In the other three classes, his first class, as we know, was pretty much a disaster. His second class included Dez, who got kicked out. Semaj was in the next class, and he went pro early.

His last three recruiting classes haven't had the time to play 4 years. Macura will likely be back next year. Same with O'Mara, unless he gets his degree and wants to go somewhere else to get more PT. Bluiett likely won't be back and will be earning a living overseas.

But the days of recruiting good players and expecting them to play on the team for 4 years are long gone.

[LA Muskie]

But the days of recruiting good players and expecting them to play on the team for 4 years are long gone.

Couldn't say it any better than this. It'll still happen, but far less frequently. Especially now that there's real money to be made overseas.

[XUGRAD80]

I love ya 80. But nope. I'm working on getting details, but based on what I knew about his return it would be nearly unprecedented if this was his choice.

Don't take my comment to mean that I think that he just woke up this morning and decided he wanted to quit because he didn't feel like playing anymore. But I have serious doubts that Mack called him into the office and told him he had a choice of quitting or getting dismissed, either. I suspect (and this is complete speculation) that the meeting had something to do with either his playing time (based on Mack's comments about Goodin) or something to do with the situation he was suspended for. For some reason he feels that someone is either lying about him or lying too him. In either case, after talking about it with his family today, he decided that he had enough and decided to move on.

Otherwise I think that Mack would have announced, after this mornings meeting, that he was being dismissed for either failure to meet expectations or because of breaking team rules. But Mack didn't announce that, so I stand by the statement that I think it was his choice.

I'll just add that those posters that have been wanting him to be sat down and the time given to Goodin now have their wish.....be careful what you wish for, it might come true.

[mirabilelectu]

Don't take my comment to mean that I think that he just woke up this morning and decided he wanted to quit because he didn't feel like playing anymore. But I have serious doubts that Mack called him into the office and told him he had a choice of quitting or getting dismissed, either. I suspect (and this is complete speculation) that the meeting had something to do with either his playing time (based on Mack's comments about Goodin) or something to do with the situation he was suspended for. For some reason he feels that someone is either lying about him or lying too him. In either case, after talking about it with his family today, he decided that he had enough and decided to move on.

Otherwise I think that Mack would have announced, after this mornings meeting, that he was being dismissed for either failure to meet expectations or because of breaking team rules. But Mack didn't announce that, so I stand by the statement that I think it was his choice.

I'll just add that those posters that have been wanting him to be sat down and the time given to Goodin now have their wish.....be careful what you wish for, it might come true.

Hmmm, the cryptic nature of this actually makes me think that there was something behind the scenes that facilitated this departure and Mack is keeping it quiet out of respect for Myles. As for the Goodin comment; well yea, of course it will come true! I'm a little uncertain of the "be careful" caveat, you seem pretty sure that Myles was going to round back into form quickly and be a major factor, despite his rusty (I definitely think it's understandable, with all of the missed time) performances last week.

[XUGRAD80]

Just waiting for those that wanted Davis to sit, and G to play more, to turn on him when he plays like the freshman he is.....:)

Not a shot at him, I think he will turn out to be a very good player given time. But he is going to struggle at times and many of those posting don't exhibit patience as their strong suit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hmmm, the cryptic nature of this actually makes me think that there was something behind the scenes that facilitated this departure and Mack is keeping it quiet out of respect for Myles. As for the Goodin comment; well yea, of course it will come true! I'm a little uncertain of the "be careful" caveat, you seem pretty sure that Myles was going to round back into form quickly and be a major factor, despite his rusty (I definitely think it's understandable, with all of the missed time) performances last week.

Moot point now but if my choices for the rest of the season were:
a. hope 5th year senior Myles shook off the rust and got back to doing what he has proven he could do and contribute in a big way down the stretch for this team to push the team to another level
or
b. hope true freshman Goodin continues to improve and make big contributions down the stretch to push the team to another level

then I would have definitely picked a. and had more confidence in this happening.

Oh well, here is hoping all contributors on this team improve and pick it up down the stretch.

[mirabilelectu]

Just waiting for those that wanted Davis to sit, and G to play more, to turn on him when he plays like the freshman he is.....:)

Not a shot at him, I think he will turn out to be a very good player given time. But he is going to struggle at times and many of those posting don't exhibit patience as their strong suit.

I hear ya! Just a little confused, we've been watching him play all year while Myles was out. If anyone starts complaining about Q now, they should have started a long time ago.

[mirabilelectu]

Moot point now but if my choices for the rest of the season were:
a. hope 5th year senior Myles shook off the rust and got back to doing what he has proven he could do and contribute in a big way down the stretch for this team to push the team to another level
or
b. hope true freshman Goodin continues to improve and make big contributions down the stretch to push the team to another level

then I would have definitely picked a. and had more confidence in this happening.

Oh well, here is hoping all contributors on this team improve and pick it up down the stretch.

I agree, I would much rather see what Myles could have done. But some of the sentiment on here seems to be that Myles would for sure have turned the team around. IMO some of the issues this team is having require more than Myles, but I guess we will never know now.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Don't take my comment to mean that I think that he just woke up this morning and decided he wanted to quit because he didn't feel like playing anymore. But I have serious doubts that Mack called him into the office and told him he had a choice of quitting or getting dismissed, either. I suspect (and this is complete speculation) that the meeting had something to do with either his playing time (based on Mack's comments about Goodin) or something to do with the situation he was suspended for. For some reason he feels that someone is either lying about him or lying too him. In either case, after talking about it with his family today, he decided that he had enough and decided to move on.

Otherwise I think that Mack would have announced, after this mornings meeting, that he was being dismissed for either failure to meet expectations or because of breaking team rules. But Mack didn't announce that, so I stand by the statement that I think it was his choice.



I can tell you that there was a very specific instance that occurred very recently that caused this and Chris Mack, and Chris Mack only, made the decision to excuse Myles from the program. This had nothing to do with playing time. Myles nor his family had any input. This was a dismissal from the team for violating the guidelines as set forth to him upon his reinstatement. Simple as that.

[vee4xu]

CF. Just a big ole CF.

[spursy]

CF. Just a big ole CF.

Centerfield? Because this one feels a little more out of left field.

[throwbackmuskie]

7 years and two Mack recruits have crossed the four year finish line by my count. Makes you wonder....

Pretty sure you need to recount.

Martin
Dee Davis
James Farr
Myles Davis
Jalen Reynolds

All graduated



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[bleedXblue]

I don't really think Mack wanted Myles back to begin with. I think he was pretty much set up to fail. What a huge distraction this entire thing has been from day one. The only good in all of this is that it's finally over. Good luck Myles!

[LA Muskie]

I don't really think Mack wanted Myles back to begin with. I think he was pretty much set up to fail. What a huge distraction this entire thing has been from day one. The only good in all of this is that it's finally over. Good luck Myles!

Yeah...no.


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[xu82]

I don't really think Mack wanted Myles back to begin with. I think he was pretty much set up to fail. What a huge distraction this entire thing has been from day one. The only good in all of this is that it's finally over. Good luck Myles!

Honestly, no offense intended, but that's a prime example of why I wish this thread would just die. Let's move forward (at least in my dreams).

[ReturnOfTheMack]

I don't really think Mack wanted Myles back to begin with. I think he was pretty much set up to fail. What a huge distraction this entire thing has been from day one. The only good in all of this is that it's finally over. Good luck Myles!

Seriously? Mack didn't want what would've been the second-leading returning scorer and clear emotional leader back on the team? I'm not trying to be argumentative here but think about that. If he didn't want him back to begin with he could have EASILY just dismissed him back in October when the crap initially hit the fan. It would've been an easy out and I think everyone would have understood the decision and moved on. Look at all the questions/distractions he had to deal with the entire first semester in regards to "when will Myles return?". For almost three months Mack dealt with a lot of ancillary BS that coaches absolutely abhor just to have Myles rejoin the team.

Myles wasn't set up to fail. He was given very explicit guidelines to follow in order to be apart of the program and Myles violated those guidelines. Myles was actually given every opportunity to succeed. He and he alone is responsible for his dismissal from the team. Myles Davis is not the victim here and by no stretch of the imagination was he done wrong. Sorry for being so blunt but good Lord let's not make excuses for a guy who unfortunately is deservedly reaping what he has sown.

[bleedXblue]

Of course Mack wanted Myles (as the player and leader) back but I think this thing took a turn for the worse at some point prior to his reinstatement in late December- early January. It was awfully strange the way Mack was handling questions around his return and being incredibly evasive around the whole situation. Of course this is all just my perspective.....and some of you clearly have more information around what may have actually happened. I just find it hard to believe that Myles had virtually no issues over a 4 year period while at X and now he's out after another "violation" of a guideline or rule. Doesn't seem to really fit the way he handled himself for the majority if time he's been here.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Of course Mack wanted Myles (as the player and leader) back but I think this thing took a turn for the worse at some point prior to his reinstatement in late December- early January. It was awfully strange the way Mack was handling questions around his return and being incredibly evasive around the whole situation. Of course this is all just my perspective.....and some of you clearly have more information around what may have actually happened. I just find it hard to believe that Myles had virtually no issues over a 4 year period while at X and now he's out after another "violation" of a guideline or rule. Doesn't seem to really fit the way he handled himself for the majority if time he's been here.

I hate to be the one that ruins Santa Clause for everyone but that's not exactly true. Let's just say the program did a good job of keeping things that didn't escalate to a legal level under wraps. I'll probably get skewered for saying that because there wasn't an article in the NYT corroborating that but unfortunately Myles was his own worst enemy on several occasions over the years and it only became apparent to the public when his temper caused him to get in some hot water with the legal system.

[bigdiggins]

I hate to be the one that ruins Santa Clause for everyone but that's not exactly true. Let's just say the program did a good job of keeping things that didn't escalate to a legal level under wraps. I'll probably get skewered for saying that because there wasn't an article in the NYT corroborating that but unfortunately Myles was his own worst enemy on several occasions over the years and it only became apparent to the public when his temper caused him to get in some hot water with the legal system.

Like threatening someone that was a potential suitor of the girl he desired...oh wait that wasn't in the NYT either.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Like threatening someone that was a potential suitor of the girl he desired...oh wait that wasn't in the NYT either.

Something exactly like that.

[xu82]

So, I'm focusing on the guys who are on the Xavier basketball team. The other stuff is a distraction. I think the team is best without any more distraction. (I realize how natural it is to go on, and on, but it doesn't make it a good idea.)

[bleedXblue]

I hate to be the one that ruins Santa Clause for everyone but that's not exactly true. Let's just say the program did a good job of keeping things that didn't escalate to a legal level under wraps. I'll probably get skewered for saying that because there wasn't an article in the NYT corroborating that but unfortunately Myles was his own worst enemy on several occasions over the years and it only became apparent to the public when his temper caused him to get in some hot water with the legal system.

That's kind of where I was going. Was his margin for error so thin upon his return that Mack should have known based on his previous track record that he wouldn't be able to return, play and actually contribute and not be a huge distraction?

I am virtually certain that if Mack had it all over to do again he would have handled this much differently.

[xu82]

Alright then, sounds like a done deal. (Am I pushing too hard towards this?)

[ReturnOfTheMack]

That's kind of where I was going. Was his margin for error so thin upon his return that Mack should have known based on his previous track record that he wouldn't be able to return, play and actually contribute and not be a huge distraction?

I am virtually certain that if Mack had it all over to do again he would have handled this much differently.

I guess it depends on what you consider to be a thin margin. He literally was told "don't be a dumbass". If a 23 year old college graduate views that as a razor thin margin then Myles has bigger problems then a mess with an ex. I guess Mack figured that Myles would have the clarity to keep his head on straight for 3.5 months as to enjoy the end of his college career with a team that has a chance to be special. Obviously Mack also decided that the risk was worth the potential reward of having a really solid veteran player lead his team down the stretch. He gambled and lost. Unfortunately, in big time collegiate athletics, you put up with some of the unsavory stuff in order to win, even at Xavier. At least to an extent. Myles Davis found out that extent.

[xu2013]

Myles is not the victim. Xavier as a whole was pretty supportive of him while he was working his way back. He decided to either just quit, or he acted like an idiot again. Either way, he was not a good representative of this university and I have no problems with him being gone.

[Harryfe]

I have been skewered on this board for being critical of his return. I just hope we can go forward now and be a successful team. I hope that Gooden can continue to improve and be a valuable contributor.

[AviatorX]

I have been skewered on this board for being critical of his return. I just hope we can go forward now and be a successful team. I hope that Gooden can continue to improve and be a valuable contributor.

Not particularly sure how this validates your criticism but thanks.

[drudy23]

In our best Bill Belichick voice:

On to Georgetown...we're focusing on Georgetown.

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to Myles on passing Dedrick Finn on the all-time Musketeer knucklehead list.

[TUclutch]

No way.

Any school will give the player a chance to save face.

No way would a school say: "Myles has been dismissed for violating rules."

If they did, bye bye recruits..........

Schools do this all the time

[XfansinKy]

Pretty sure you need to recount.

Martin
Dee Davis
James Farr
Myles Davis
Jalen Reynolds

All graduated



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Wow that's still not much.

[XUMIOH12]

Wow that's still not much.

well there is only a dozen or so players that could have even made it 4 years at this point. And in this era of college basketball, 50/50 is probably pretty close to the norm.

[XUMIOH12]

Pretty sure you need to recount.

Martin
Dee Davis
James Farr
Myles Davis
Jalen Reynolds

All graduated



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does Jeff Robinson not count for some reason?

[LA Muskie]

Schools do this all the time you moron.

Dude, dial it back. We're all on the same team.


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[XfansinKy]

does Jeff Robinson not count for some reason?

That's definitely One

[XMuskieFTW]

Also if we are only counting Mack recruits then really he only has 3 years worth of guys that could have made it 4+ seasons. While 6 graduates that spend their entire career at X isn't great, it's also not awful based on the current make up of college basketball and high major programs.

[IM4X]

So I wonder how long before we find out who these "crooks" are Myles tweeted will soon be exposed?

Or the person(s) he seems to think lied to him?

And is it possible "If one goes down we all go down" is in reference to X players being dismissed when accused by someone of doing something wrong?"

[Xville]

Hope the kid grows up and gets some serious help. Sounds like he needs it. As far as the xavier team goes, i thinknits better for the team that he is gone. Way too much of a distraction and frankly i think he was hurting team chemistry because of his issues.

[throwbackmuskie]

does Jeff Robinson not count for some reason?

I went from 2010 on. I thought Robinson was a Miller commit?


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[markchal]

Given how liked Myles is, this can't be good for morale. And we really need a W Sunday.

[xufan2434]

Given how liked Myles is, this can't be good for morale. And we really need a W Sunday.

Screw that. I love Myles and wanted him back. But this team has gone too far without him at this point. The boys need to step up. If anything, this is solidification that this is their team and there's no turning back. Need Cintas going tomorrow. We cannot lose this game

[THRILLHOUSE]

I went from 2010 on. I thought Robinson was a Miller commit?


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Jeff was a Mack commit. He commited to X in the summer of 2009.

[Xville]

Given how liked Myles is, this can't be good for morale. And we really need a W Sunday.

Given that he screwed the teqm over now on multiple occassions, i doubt he is liked as much as he was.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Given that he screwed the teqm over now on multiple occassions, i doubt he is liked as much as he was.

He and Trevon are EXTREMELY close.

[klark]

Bottom line is this team needs to figure it out inside. O'mara has had plenty of time to get it and he only does sometimes. Gaston can't cover but why not put him and Jones in at the same time? Putting in Ed, Trevon, JP, and Kaiser leads to one thing, 30+ shots behind the three point line. They are better when Ed drives and dishes out or feeds down low. Jones and Goodin came in hyped, they need to step up and help move this team forward.

[Xville]

He and Trevon are EXTREMELY close.

Cool but what about the rest of the team? Im just not sure myles coming back this late in the year was ever going to do the team any good. Myles made his bed and had numerous chances...from a life perspective, i hope he figures it out because he has a lot of issues. From a pure xavier basketball perspective, this is harsh but good riddance in my opinion.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Given that he screwed the teqm over now on multiple occassions, i doubt he is liked as much as he was.

I doubt this has had much if any affect on his friendships with those on the team he was close to. Friends dont just throw away friendships because they did something that affected the team. Fans, most of the time, only care about their team and their teams success and will cast players aside and never look back if they do something to affect that. You are looking at it from the fan side not the close friend side.

Regardless I hope this allows the team now to move on quickly and not look back and really focus knowing everyone else has to step up their game.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

Cool but what about the rest of the team? Im just not sure myles coming back this late in the year was ever going to do the team any good. Myles made his bed and had numerous chances...from a life perspective, i hope he figures it out because he has a lot of issues. From a pure xavier basketball perspective, this is harsh but good riddance in my opinion.

I don't disagree with you. Although I do think at some point in the season he would've been an asset but I digress. My comment was in regards to the sentiment that he may have adversely affected team chemistry. He didn't. The guys on the team that knew him (Tre, Ed, JP, Sean) all liked him and all welcomed his return. The on-the-floor chemistry may have been disjointed while he was in there although that seems to be disjointed regardless of the lineup right now, but the locker room morale was definitely lifted when he returned. For better or worse, Myles is no longer in that locker room and he has no one but himself to blame. It's time to circle the wagons...

[xu82]

Regardless I hope this allows the team now to move on quickly and not look back and really focus knowing everyone else has to step up their game.

AMEN! It may sound harsh, but it is definitely time to move on and not look back. Focus on the season at hand.

True friendships will always be there, this season will not.

[XUFan09]

I have been skewered on this board for being critical of his return. I just hope we can go forward now and be a successful team. I hope that Gooden can continue to improve and be a valuable contributor.
You have been critical of his return for on-court performance. That is not related to this.

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[xukeith]

I find it very hard to believe he quit on his teammates because he felt he wasn't contributing. There has to be more to the story.

I don't have any inside information BUT I have spoken with players (former) who have left XU after graduating and having more eligibility.
Sometimes coaches decide and make the decision and ask players to bow out.

Maybe. Maybe not.

[KFX]

[QUOTE=xu82;575223]AMEN! It may sound harsh, but it is definitely time to move on and not look back. Focus on the season at hand.

True friendships will always be there, this season will not.[/QUOTE

Sorry but are you from the ministry of information? Your drumbeat to kill this discissusion is annoying. Please feel free to move on.

[XUMIOH12]

Jeff was a Mack commit. He commited to X in the summer of 2009.

yep. He was Mack

[xu82]

[QUOTE=xu82;575223]AMEN!

Sorry but are you from the ministry of information? Your drumbeat to kill this discissusion is annoying. Please feel free to move on.

Feel free to ignore me and wallow in the mire to your hearts content. If my two or three posts concern you, you may need to seek professional help.

[KFX]

What mire? The facts aren't out there. This is a discussion board.

[xu82]

What mire? The facts aren't out there. This is a discussion board.

And as I stated, I'd prefer to look forward. I don't want to rehash the Dez stuff again either. Some like that stuff. Feel free to carry on. I just stated my opinion, there was no "drumbeat", and if I annoyed you, I don't give a shit.

[KFX]

And as I stated, I'd prefer to look forward. I don't want to rehash the Dez stuff again either. Some like that stuff. Feel free to carry on. I just stated my opinion, there was no "drumbeat", and if I annoyed you, I don't give a shit.

Hey you posted "move on" at least 4 times and then asked if you were pushing it too hard. I'm answering your inquiry.

[IM4X]

In case Myles reads these boards, I just want to say that I wish him the best as he decides his future. I also want to thank him for his contribution to the team over the several years that helped to make it more successful than it would have been.

[Harryfe]

You have been critical of his return for on-court performance. That is not related to this.

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And you think he has played well? Oh he did make 2 free throws in 3 games. And I don't know why he left. Maybe it is due to his poor performance although I doubt it. I guess probably due to more off court issues.

[XUFan09]

And you think he has played well? Oh he did make 2 free throws in 3 games. And I don't know why he left. Maybe it is due to his poor performance although I doubt it. I guess probably due to more off court issues.
Where did I say that he played well? He hadn't played well, but it was also foolish to expect him to play well in his first few games back after not even getting D1 practice the entire first semester. Myles' return was intended to get him back up to speed by mid- to late-February, not immediately. But, he screwed up that opportunity by being stupid off the court.

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[bleedXblue]

Where did I say that he played well? He hadn't played well, but it was also foolish to expect him to play well in his first few games back after not even getting D1 practice the entire first semester. Myles' return was intended to get him back up to speed by mid- to late-February, not immediately. But, he screwed up that opportunity by being stupid off the court.

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Debating with an idiot will get you nowhere....

[Kahns Krazy]

I will never understand the person who posts to a message board thread to 'let it die'. The only thing that prevents a thread from dying is the next post. By definition, posting your interest in a thread dying is always achieving the 100% exact opposite result.

[XUFan09]

Debating with an idiot will get you nowhere....
I don't know. It can be rather entertaining to see what moronic thing he comes up with next.

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[LA Muskie]

I don't have any inside information BUT I have spoken with players (former) who have left XU after graduating and having more eligibility.
Sometimes coaches decide and make the decision and ask players to bow out.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Sometimes they do. But in this case not.


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[xu82]

I will never understand the person who posts to a message board thread to 'let it die'. The only thing that prevents a thread from dying is the next post. By definition, posting your interest in a thread dying is always achieving the 100% exact opposite result.

I suppose I didn't make myself very clear. I don't care if this thread lasts until the end of time. I'm not crazy about people speculating about a young man, his life's troubles they really know nothing about, or his relationship with his coach and team (which is also pure speculation in most cases). My personal opinion is that's over a line I'm not comfortable crossing. I know, "so don't come here", and that's totally fair. Most posts don't go there, but I feel some do, and there's nothing to be gained. Maybe I'm just in a bitchy mood, but I like players personal stuff staying personal. I wish him well, and hope the team moves on and excels. Feel free to carry on.... I never meant to shock or offend anyone with this position.