Xavier @ Butler (January 14, 2017) Big East Game #5

[American X]

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Xavier Musketeers vs. Butler Generic Mascots
January 14, 2017

Game Time: 2:00 p.m. ET
Hinkle Fieldhouse | Indianapolis, Indiana
TV: FS1
RADIO: 700WLW (https://www.iheart.com/live/700wlw-1713/?autoplay=true&pname=1209&campid=header&cid=index.html)

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)
Live Stats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/xavier/mbball/)

[bleedXblue]

love the poll...so true even to this day they cant manage a simple time/shot clock

[American X]

Mack Cronin's his player on leadership:


"I look to a lot of guys (for leadership). Unfortunately, to this point, at times, this guys aren't looking back," Mack said after a Friday practice at Cintas Center. "What we had in James Farr and Remy Abell and, at times, Myles Davis a year ago, has plagued our team in real times of adversity. We've got to find that. That's my challenge to bring that out of a few guys."

Enquirer (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/01/13/xavier-preps-top-15-showdown-butler/96556762/)

[bbfan99]

Butler fan from Indianapolis here. I'm posting this at about 9:50 on Saturday morning. The icy conditions forecast for Indianapolis have come to pass somewhat but, so far at least, not as bad as had been suggested in the forecasts. The roads are well salted, but there's some precipitation and they are slick in spots. If you're heading to Indy for the game, drive carefully and be safe.

[Muskie]

I'm heading over to the watch party here in a few at the Blind Owl. I'll give a road update.


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[Muskie]

The roads are very wet and slick in a few spots. But the temperature is right above freezing.


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[fellahmuskie]

Game day decision, but my brother and I are heading up for the game. I hate Butler.

[American X]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2Io0KsWIAAAqnK.jpg

[Juice]

Looks like someone got in trouble.....


David Woods ‏@DavidWoods007 2m2 minutes ago
BREAKING: #Butler starts Nate Fowler instead of Tyler Wideman. Also, Kelan Martin benched. Lineup: Fowler, Chrabs, T-Lew, Woodson, Baldwin.

[X-band '01]

Martin hasn't started all their games, so I don't think he was up to any shenanigans contrary to the Buttler Way.

[Juice]

Martin hasn't started all their games, so I don't think he was up to any shenanigans contrary to the Buttler Way.

David Woods ‏@DavidWoods007 10m10 minutes ago
Kelan Martin has big wrap on left leg. Don't know if he is injured.
#Butler

[X-band '01]

Game to tip around 2:10 so they can finish Nova-St. John's.

[MADXSTER]

Trevon with the biggest boo

[Juice]

Trevon with the biggest boo

"Arrghhhhhh! How could you leave our shit hole of a town? Rabble rabble..."

[Caf]

Feed the shid

[letskeepitreal]

Our foul shooting is just horrific!

[XfansinKy]

Would like to see big Rashid get some more looks.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

X is losing the rebounding battle.

[RealDeal]

Feed the shid

And JP.

[XfansinKy]

It's a mismatch. They can't stop him.

[letskeepitreal]

Don't like this pace of play. Favors Butler

[mistabeecee41]

Wes gotta kick out to Jp instead of taking a fading floater

[Xville]

Really great half...keep the turnovers down and lets win this effing thing.

[X Factor]

Glad we're up 6 at half, but Butler did not play that good. I expect them to play better in the second half. Xavier is gonna have to play better too.

Need Ed and Trevon to show up in the 2nd half.

[xavierj]

Glad we're up 6 at half, but Butler did not play that good. I expect them to play better in the second half. Xavier is gonna have to play better too.

Need Ed and Trevon to show up in the 2nd half.

Xavier didn't play well. Sumner did not score. Like our chances in the second half.

[letskeepitreal]

Yeah kinda a luckluster game by both teams. Winner will be the one that wants it more and that can execute better on both sides of the ball. Let's S go X. We need Bluiett and Sumner to get their heads in the game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll take that first half. Looks like the plan was to make sure we got the ball down low, Gaston has had some nice buckets, lets keep it up.

[X Factor]

Trevon has been awful on the road in conference play so far!

[RealDeal]

Well this isn't going great.

[XfansinKy]

No second half adjustments or energy...again.

[Xville]

And here we go....this team is so painful to watch sometimes.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Aaaaaaand right on cue, a 12-2 Butler run

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow that is about as bad a start as can happen.

[XfansinKy]

Whoever is telling Trevon he can play NBA ball is misleading him.

[letskeepitreal]

Not a good start to second half guys!

[mistabeecee41]

Tre and Ed will either be wearing X jerseys or Belgian professional jerseys next year.

[X Factor]

No leadership on the court for Xavier. Did Edmond get off the bus?

[mohr5150]

The dumbest team in college basketball. Their decision making and shot selection is beyond stupid.

[Emp]

The dumbest team in college basketball. Their decision making and shot selection is beyond stupid.

Hyperbole? Or just a stupid post?

[Emp]

Can anyone find a live box for all stats? ESPN frozen, yFs1 won't show fouls or turnovers. The link in the first post is still stuck on St Johns

[IM4X]

The dumbest team in college basketball. Their decision making and shot selection is beyond stupid.

To not pass along some blame onto the coaches wouldn't be fair. Dumb teams on the court reflect dumb (or a lack of proper) coaching.

Plus what'a up with Mack waiting until we lose the 6 point lead to call a TO. He needs to up his game too.

[X-band '01]

It ain not pretty (http://www.ncaa.com/game/basketball-men/d1/2017/01/14/xavier-butler)

[Muskie]

For as many bug shots at JP hits how many turnovers does he commit that are senseless.


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[XfansinKy]

This team is playing dumb.

[mohr5150]

30 seconds on the shot clock twice in a row and we jack up fucking 3's. So, so stupid.

[XfansinKy]

30 seconds on the shot clock twice in a row and we jack up fucking 3's. So, so stupid.

And the bigs are playing efficient!!! I don't get it.

[X Factor]

9 points combined from Tre and Ed on 2-11 from the field...

Glad our stars are stepping up again.

[Xville]

Ok i get it....this is a xavier team so we are supposed to like watching them. However this team a lot of the time is unwatchable.

[X Factor]

This team is just a very bad three point shooting team.

[mohr5150]

Nova's top 2 scorers went 5-23 and they won by 13 today. Someone else needs to step up.

[XfansinKy]

Keep drawing fouls though. That's good.

[nasdadjr]

9 points combined from Tre and Ed on 2-11 from the field...

Glad our stars are stepping up again.

I really wish people would stop saying these guys are NBA talents. I know this post isn't saying it but these guys just are not. NBA guys don't get consistently shut down like these guys do

[XfansinKy]

Bliuett is getting violated down low.

[X Factor]

Butler freshman Kamar Baldwin outplaying Trevon...

[X Factor]

I really wish people would stop saying these guys are NBA talents. I know this post isn't saying it but these guys just are not. NBA guys don't get consistently shut down like these guys do

Yet they're both going to leave early with eligibility remaining...geesh.

[nasdadjr]

It's literally at the point right now where i am surprised when any shot from Blueitt goes in. I don't even want him on the floor cause he plays little D and now can't make any shot. Oh by the way this game is over on to the NFL for today

[Blue Blooded-05]

Turnovers and missed 3s

[mistabeecee41]

Myles shouldn't be on the floor. We're playing 4 on 5 on offense when he's in.

[IM4X]

Davis had no business being in there... he's done nothing but stand around - got shot over and turned the ball over. Wouldn't mind seeing more Goodin

[X Factor]

Davis had no business being in there... he's done nothing but stand around - got shot over and turned the ball over. Wouldn't mind seeing more Goodin

Butler's freshman guard Kamar Baldwin is playing like a stud today. Goodin, a 4 star recruit, barely sees the floor.

[Xville]

Game over..its january its not early anymore...this team is just very average.

[X Factor]

Baldwin just abused Sumner.

[RealDeal]

Ed is starting to play, would be nice if Tre joined him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Game over..its january its not early anymore...this team is just very average.

If I had a just a penny for every time you declared a game over when it is anything but......

[X Factor]

When you shoot 25% from three and 65% from the line, you're gonna lose. This team stinks at putting the ball through the hoop.

[mohr5150]

The announcers keep talking about how going to the line will be an advantage for X. Do they realize we have missed 9 free throws today?

[XfansinKy]

Get those knees bent and play some defense!! Bunch of girly boys!!!

[Xville]

If I had a just a penny for every time you declared a game over when it is anything but......

Except evety time i have said it, they have never come back and won. Lets see if that actuwlly changes for once.

[IM4X]

Butler's freshman guard Kamar Baldwin is playing like a stud today. Goodin, a 4 star recruit, barely sees the floor.

Yes- good point-

we need to be just as upset with the coaching. These players are not playing well together and seem
like they have no clue what's going on. The last TO when they showed Mack talking to his players I don't even know what his real direction was- yes these players are sucking- but it all starts with the coach.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Except evety time i have said it, they have never come back and won. Lets see if that actuwlly changes for once.

Funny that you think that makes your statement true. Why are you watching still? Game is over. And if it is over how can they come back, the game isnt being played, it is over.

[mistabeecee41]

Fouling is a great way to comeback

[XfansinKy]

Our stud recruits don't even get to play anymore.

[Xville]

Funny that you think that makes your statement true. Why are you watching still? Game is over. And if it is over how can they come back, the game isnt being played, it is over.

Im not watching actually.

[nasdadjr]

Yes- good point-

we need to be just as upset with the coaching. These players are not playing well together and seem
like they have no clue what's going on. The last TO when they showed Mack talking to his players I don't even know what his real direction was- yes these players are sucking- but it all starts with the coach.
Jay Wright would do no better. This is just a bad collection of players. That doesn't mean the players are bad but they just don't work well together

[D-West & PO-Z]

Im not watching actually.

You sure have a lot of opinions about something you arent seeing. All makes sense now.

[XUBob]

The problem I see with this group is mental toughness. It may be coaching, it might be the kids, but all year X has given up leads in a hurry. Then the answer is to play hero ball. This group doesn't seem to handle adversity well.

[IM4X]

Myles- get him out

[Xville]

You sure have a lot of opinions about something you arent seeing. All makes sense now.

I stopped watching when i ssid game over...try to keep up

[X Factor]

I knew Myles wouldn't make a big difference when he came back. Kept telling people that and all I heard was he was going to make Ed so much better and this team so much better.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I stopped watching when i ssid game over...try to keep up

Some fan.

6 point game 5mins left, game over.

You are a joke.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I knew Myles wouldn't make a big difference when he came back. Kept telling people that and all I heard was he was going to make Ed so much better and this team so much better.

This cant be serious.

[mistabeecee41]

nobody has a clue if they are switching or not on D. This is sickening.

[X Factor]

This cant be serious.

Why? He hasn't played in months and people expected him to come back and be the guy he was last year. At the same time, Goodin's minutes have been eaten up by Myles so he's sitting on the bench watching instead of getting game minutes.

[mohr5150]

Sure would like to have some of those missed foul shots about right now.

[XfansinKy]

This cant be serious.

It's going to take Myles at least a couple more weeks. He'll be OK.

[XfansinKy]

Sure would like to have some of those missed foul shots about right now.

Yes yes and yes.

[mohr5150]

Gaston was screaming at his teammates about switching (or lack thereof).

[xavierj]

Love me some Xavier fans... some not even watching against the number 12 team in the country and they stink. Good times. They will win this game .

[D-West & PO-Z]

Why? He hasn't played in months and people expected him to come back and be the guy he was last year. At the same time, Goodin's minutes have been eaten up by Myles so he's sitting on the bench watching instead of getting game minutes.

No one thought he would instantly make the team better. He has practiced less than a week.

If this team is going anywhere in March it will be with Myles making big contributions, not Q.

[XfansinKy]

Gaston was screaming at his teammates about switching (or lack thereof).

He's playing his heart out too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's going to take Myles at least a couple more weeks. He'll be OK.

Exactly.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Love me some Xavier fans... some not even watching against the number 12 team in the country and they stink. Good times. They will win this game .

Ha, seriously.

[XfansinKy]

Thankfully he's fouled out.

[X Factor]

Thanks for showing up today Bluiett...

[IM4X]

Jay Wright would do no better. This is just a bad collection of players. That doesn't mean the players are bad but they just don't work well together

See- I respectfully disagree. While I do think not having Farr and Reynolds hurts.. we are sloppy and making lazy passes and not crashing the boards and playing players that are killing any chemistry this team once had. Plus we wait until we lose leads to call TOs. Wrigjr would have these guys playing much better (IMO). As soon as Mack recognizes he's part of the problem- he can start getting this team better.

[X Factor]

We don't have any clutch shooters, plain and simple.

[XfansinKy]

Not today. Damn.

[X Factor]

Ballgame. Creighton on Monday won't be any easier folks...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thanks for showing up today Bluiett...

His game today wasnt half as bad as your posting.

[mohr5150]

Total horseshit there, refs. First Crabass travelled and then that bogus call. Oh well.

[paulxu]

That was a bad call to give them the ball out of bounds.
Also, I don't think I like this Butler team.

[letskeepitreal]

Friggin home cooking calls!

[X Factor]

Butler has 6 wins over ranked teams this season...

Xavier's best win is Clemson on a neutral court...

[mohr5150]

More horribleness by the refs.

[X Factor]

His game today wasnt half as bad as your posting.

What should I do? Clap everytime he doesn't turn it over or miss a wide open three or get abused by Chrabascz?

He is a 1st team all-conference player and he's shooting less than 20% in conference road games.

[mistabeecee41]

are you all complaining about refs when this team came out and played like this?

[D-West & PO-Z]

are you all complaining about refs when this team came out and played like this?

like what? We are in a 3 point game on the road against a team ranked ahead of us? How did you expect us to look?

[X Factor]

What a terrible possesion!!!

[paulxu]

Why do we go so slow when we are down 4?

[mohr5150]

Foul shots....foul shots...foul shots....

[X Factor]

Let's go X....big shot from Bernard.

[XfansinKy]

Foul shots....foul shots...foul shots....

I hear ya

[paulxu]

There sure have been a lot of fouls called in this game.

[XfansinKy]

Deny the fkn ball!!

[sirthought]

If X pulls this out it'll be a miracle. Butler has outplayed them in too many key aspects. Bench. Points in the paint. Free throws.

It seems like any game where they play a team that should be at their level, the defense turns to stupid city with the unnecessary reachins and missed rotations.

[mohr5150]

That was a charge on JP earlier.

[paulxu]

Time for a clock malfunction.

[paulxu]

Myles with 3 shots? Robbed

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wow that was close

[XfansinKy]

Mack let this one get away. Coming out lazy in the 2ND half is on him. Make free throws and it's a different game too.

[mistabeecee41]

what the fuck was that play?

[X Factor]

Better get ready for Creigton Monday

[D-West & PO-Z]

Better get ready for Creigton Monday

I;m guessing they'll take the rest of the weekend off and meet up Monday around noon.

[D-West & PO-Z]

what the fuck was that play?

They had to throw it long in order to avoid the easy foul in the backcourt. Just poorly executed.

[mistabeecee41]

Better get ready for Creigton Monday

We're getting into "need a big win" territory. It's January and our only top 50 win was against an ACC bottom dweller who won't be top 50 for very long

[IM4X]

Mack let this one get away. Coming out lazy in the 2ND half is on him. Make free throws and it's a different game too.

i'll 2nd that.

we we're once again out played and out coached. Valiant effort at the end- but it never should have been so close- too little to late.

[BandAid]

Well, darn

[letskeepitreal]

Yup difference was 5 free throws made. Sumner did try and carry team in 2nd half. Tough loss but not unexpected. Road games against top teams will be hard in the Big East

[mohr5150]

I hope I'm wrong, but I called early on in the season for this stretch to be a 5 game losing streak. This was the only game I thought the had a shot in the three, and I see their psyche causing them to lose to Gtown then getting pasted bt UC. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I have no confidence in this teams thought processes.

[X Factor]

Trevon now 16-54 from the field and 8-33 from three in conference games. Hard to win games, let alone road games, when you're best player is shooting less than 30% from the field and three.

[bjf123]

Lost this game from the charity stripe. We shoot the same % as them, we win by one. They shoot what we did, we still win by one.


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[mohr5150]

Trevon now 16-54 from the field and 8-33 from three in conference games. Hard to win games, let alone road games, when you're best player is shooting less than 30% from the field and three.

He has been replaced as our best player. I would say Sumner and possibly Macurs have surpassed him due to horrible play in all facets of the game. Foul shooting, field goal shooting and definitely defense are all horrible and have been for a while.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lost this game from the charity stripe. We shoot the same % as them, we win by one. They shoot what we did, we still win by one.


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We shot above our season average from the FT line. More than halfway through the season I dont know why anyone woould think we will become a good FT shooting team out of nowhere. To be surprised by or point out FT shooting every game is silly. We are what we are from the FT line.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Butler was not that good and neither were we. This game can go either way. We will get them when they play us at Cintas.

[XfansinKy]

I'm worried The Big East is just too athletic for Bliuett.

[XUFan09]

I don't know why people are talking about free throws when Butler scored 48 points in the second half BEFORE the free throw parade. That was a terrible defensive performance, even when you account for Butler's offense being really good.

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[AviatorX]

I'm worried The Big East is just too athletic for Bliuett.

Yes, so much so that he made the Big East first team last season. GTFO with this.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm worried The Big East is just too athletic for Bliuett.

Huh? He was 1st team all BE last year.

[IM4X]

Trevon now 16-54 from the field and 8-33 from three in conference games. Hard to win games, let alone road games, when you're best player is shooting less than 30% from the field and three.

He's gotten away from the mid range step back jumper a bit which seems to give him confidence when he shoots rhe 3.

[XfansinKy]

He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him.

[AviatorX]

He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him.

Crazy that he sucks this much yet the BE coaches voted him 1st team. Forgive me if I'll go with their opinion (except maybe JT3) over yours.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him.

Dude, go home, he averaged 16 against BE teams last year. He was 1st team all conference. Now he isnt good enough to play in BE?

[HenryMuto]

Should have played it out at the end. Down by 1 with 20 seconds left and 15 on the shot clock they then foul and that was basically the game as Butler hit every FT and played the foul game giving X no chance to tie the game.

If X was going to foul they should have done it sooner there was 36 seconds left at the start of the possession and they waited until 18 seconds left to foul.

At that point play it out force a miss and you have from 5-10 seconds left to win the game.

If you were going to foul do it with 30 seconds left so they can't play the foul game on you.

[Juice]

Lost this game from the charity stripe. We shoot the same % as them, we win by one. They shoot what we did, we still win by one.


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FT shooting wasn't good but we lost this game because we couldn't play defense in the 2nd half. They scored 58 points in the 2nd half. Obviously we weren't going to hold them to 25 points like we did in the 1st, but giving up 58 is insanely shitty.

[XfansinKy]

Crazy that he sucks this much yet the BE coaches voted him 1st team. Forgive me if I'll go with their opinion (except maybe JT3) over yours.
I don't know where you come up with that, "he sucks" but at this level, a 6'5 SF better be able to be one of the best shooters in the nation if he's slow and can't jump.

[AviatorX]

Dude, go home, he averaged 16 against BE teams last year. He was 1st team all conference. Now he isnt good enough to play in BE?

Also obliterated 1st rounder Ellenson 3x and held Gary Clark scoreless in the Crosstown Shootout.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Should have played it out at the end. Down by 1 with 20 seconds left and 15 on the shot clock they then foul and that was basically the game as Butler hit every FT and played the foul game giving X no chance to tie the game.

If X was going to foul they should have done it sooner there was 36 seconds left at the start of the possession and they waited until 18 seconds left to foul.

At that point play it out force a miss and you have from 5-10 seconds left to win the game.

If you were going to foul do it with 30 seconds left so they can't play the foul game on you.

Yeah I think we should have played it out too, but I cant argue agaisnt either option.

[AviatorX]

I don't know where you come up with that, "he sucks" but at this level, a 6'5 SF better be able to be one of the best shooters in the nation if he's slow and can't jump.

I'm just confused what you mean by "this level." Do you mean the level where he was voted one of the best players as a sophomore?

I don't disagree he needs to up his consistency and has struggled this week hard, but to say he is not good or athletic enough to play in the BE is outrageous.

[XfansinKy]

Also obliterated 1st rounder Ellenson 3x and held Gary Clark scoreless in the Crosstown Shootout.
Keep correcting everyone, myself included. That is what you do on this board right?

[AviatorX]

Keep correcting everyone, myself included. That is what you do on this board right?

Yes, when people say a 1st team All-Conference player is not athletic enough to play in said conference, I will "correct" that every single time.

[X Factor]

You would think he would be improving as a junior but he's getting worse. He literally could not guard Chrabaszc today. He can't make a shot. He has no lift around the rim.

If he's not making jumpers, he's not going to score.

[XfansinKy]

Dude, go home, he averaged 16 against BE teams last year. He was 1st team all conference. Now he isnt good enough to play in BE?

Lol dude you seem to know more than anybody according to your countless of condescending replies. Maybe I'm missing his stellar Big East play. He's a decent jump shooter at times and can rebound if not in traffic.

[AviatorX]

You would think he would be improving as a junior but he's getting worse. He literally could not guard Chrabaszc today. He can't make a shot. He has no lift around the rim.

If he's not making jumpers, he's not going to score.

To be clear, I don't think Bluiett should be immune to criticism and there is definitely some merit to your points here. IMO there's just a long way between this and what XFANSINKY said.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lol dude you seem to know more than anybody according to your countless of condescending replies. Maybe I'm missing his stellar Big East play. He's a decent jump shooter at times and can rebound if not in traffic.

You must be missing it. How do you think you are correct on this one? He was voted first team BE last year and now he isnt athletic enough to play in the league? I dont understand. Dont let a bad week cause you to make outrageous statements.

Take. A. Breath.

[mohr5150]

7 TO's by JP are ridiculous. We out shot them from the field and from 3. The turnover margin and free throws killed us. They scored 58 points in the half, but around 30 of them were from the line. To see a team against X take that many free throws is extremely rare.

[XfansinKy]

What? That I worry The Big East is too athletic? That's a stretch? Wow.

[Caf]

Dude, go home, he averaged 16 against BE teams last year. He was 1st team all conference. Now he isnt good enough to play in BE?

He's definitely good enough to play in the BE, but man if he isn't in an awful slump right now. 8-40 FG and 5-25 3PT in the last 4 games speaks for itself.

[D-West & PO-Z]

To be clear, I don't think Bluiett should be immune to criticism and there is definitely some merit to your points here. IMO there's just a long way between this and what XFANSINKY said.

Agree, Tre is going through a rough stretch and he needs to dig out of it but I agree that is a far stretch from he isnt good enough to play in BE.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He's definitely good enough to play in the BE, but man if he isn't in an awful slump right now. 8-40 FG and 5-25 3PT in the last 4 games speaks for itself.

No arguing that. Rough stretch. But I cant believe we are even having this argument he somehow all of a sudden isnt athletic enough to play in BE. Guy is a 1st team all conference player. Geez.

[XfansinKy]

I believe X will be fine when Myles gets in shape with Ed, Rashid, and JP playing well. I'm just saying the kid doesn't have the athleticism to excell in the Big East.

[mohr5150]

You would think he would be improving as a junior but he's getting worse. He literally could not guard Chrabaszc today. He can't make a shot. He has no lift around the rim.

If he's not making jumpers, he's not going to score.

Crabass made twomore shots than Bluiett today. I wouldn't call that an amazing game. He made several free throws at the end of the game to pile up the points.

[Cheesehead]

Mack essentially called out Sumner "we need him to not be a one half player" and Trevon "cannot have an all conference type of player disappear for stretches during games". He is right, need more consistentcy from our front court players.

[XfansinKy]

Maybe he just gets in a slump when league play starts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe X will be fine when Myles gets in shape with Ed, Rashid, and JP playing well. I'm just saying the kid doesn't have the athleticism to excell in the Big East.

I guess I am not sure what you mean. Is being a 1st team all conference player not excelling? Scoring 16 ppg in conference play last year not excelling? He is off to a bad start but it isnt because he isnt good enough to excel, he did it last year and just needs to get out of this slump.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe he just gets in a slump when league play starts.

Last years play would beg to differ. But ok, dont let the facts get in the way of your argument.

[AviatorX]

I believe X will be fine when Myles gets in shape with Ed, Rashid, and JP playing well. I'm just saying the kid doesn't have the athleticism to excell in the Big East.

I'll leave it after this one because I know everyone here is really frustrated after a loss (especially to Butler), but I really think you should rethink this. Sorry if you feel that's me correcting you again. Hopefully we can go back and forth in a more positive light after a big win Monday.

[mohr5150]

The killer was Baldwin. 21 points? Really? Who the hell wasn't guarding him?

[bjf123]

We shot above our season average from the FT line. More than halfway through the season I dont know why anyone woould think we will become a good FT shooting team out of nowhere. To be surprised by or point out FT shooting every game is silly. We are what we are from the FT line.

Agreed. I said early in the season that FT shooting was going to cost us in conference play. Today was the first of what I think will end up being 2 or 3 in total.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

2 game losing streak sucks, especially this game we could have won if we didnt go through one horrible stretch. But I am willing to guess when we all did our BE record predictions that almost all of us had these 2 games as losses. As we have all been saying all along we need to protect home and win on the road against the bottom half. We are still on pace to do exactly that.

[Caf]

Mack essentially called out Sumner "we need him to not be a one half player" and Trevon "cannot have an all conference type of player disappear for stretches during games". He is right, need more consistentcy from our front court players.

Couldn't say it any better than Mack re: Trevon. Sumner had a good game worth of stats in a half, so I wouldn't be complaining about that.

Tre is supposed to be our best player. It's very disappointing when our team comes out focused and executes and he's just a non-factor. We're a better team than Butler if he shows up. We did a great job getting the ball inside and penetrating. O'Mara and Gaston both looked very good. In case Mack reads this board I just want to say GASTON IS A BEAST FEED HIM. 28 min 3-3 FG 2-4 FT 7 RB and only 2 PF is such a frustrating stat line. He needs more looks.

[XUFan09]

Man, some people say really stupid things after losses.

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[X Factor]

Guy is a 1st team all conference player. Geez.

Not this year. He's averaging around 10 points in 5 conference games and shooting less than 30%.

That's what sucks about today. It wouldn't have taken 25 points from Trevon to get a win, but he was 2-10 from the field. You expect your stars to perform on the road too. He has been flat out awful.

Also, we don't have any good wins this year. Creighton is going to be a challenge to say the leas. They can stroke it from all over the floor. And Watson is going to be next to impossible to guard.

[XfansinKy]

This is The Big East, not the SEC. This league is loaded with big, strong athletes. If Tre proves me wrong, I'll buy both y'all a beer(or a soda) when I make my once a year trip to Cintas.

[AviatorX]

2 game losing streak sucks, especially this game we could have won if we didnt go through one horrible stretch. But I am willing to guess when we all did our BE record predictions that almost all of us had these 2 games as losses. As we have all been saying all along we need to protect home and win on the road against the bottom half. We are still on pace to do exactly that.

This is a great post. I would be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed and confused with the time it's taking this team to come together (if they ever will), but until X loses to someone not named Nova, Butler, Creighton or one of those three at home, it's hard to be too upset. If X loses Monday, things will certainly start to become more interesting, and admittedly, this does not look like a team right now that's going to sweep the likes of Marquette/SH/etc.

[X Factor]

Crabass made twomore shots than Bluiett today. I wouldn't call that an amazing game. He made several free throws at the end of the game to pile up the points.

Every time they gave to him with Bluiett guarding him, it was a foul or bucket. They could've gone to him far more than they did.

[XfansinKy]

Not this year. He's averaging around 10 points in 5 conference games and shooting less than 30%.

That's what sucks about today. It wouldn't have taken 25 points from Trevon to get a win, but he was 2-10 from the field. You expect your stars to perform on the road too. He has been flat out awful.

Also, we don't have any good wins this year. Creighton is going to be a challenge to say the leas. They can stroke it from all over the floor. And Watson is going to be next to impossible to guard.
Crabass! I can't pronounce or spell his name. He abused Tre a few times on switches too. I noticed it was upsetting big Rashid.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is The Big East, not the SEC. This league is loaded with big, strong athletes. If Tre proves me wrong, I'll buy both y'all a beer(or a soda) when I make my once a year trip to Cintas.

Thing is he already has.

I'll be at Nova and Marquette game at least let me know which concession stand to meet you at.

[xu82]

Man, some people say really stupid things after losses.

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Not me, I see no reason to wait for a loss to say something stupid!

[Caf]

Man, some people say really stupid things after losses.

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Come on, you're a stats guy. Before today, Bluiett has the team's 2nd worst PER in conference play (among players who have played in all of the games). I have a feeling this game won't be giving him a bump up.

[xavierj]

This is The Big East, not the SEC. This league is loaded with big, strong athletes. If Tre proves me wrong, I'll buy both y'all a beer(or a soda) when I make my once a year trip to Cintas.

Exactly. No reason to get worked up about a loss. They are in the best conference in the country. They will lose some games...

[Nigel Tufnel]

I didn't read this entire thread...so if I'm repeating someone else, mea culpa. Gaston and O'Mara were 5-6 from the field for the game. Maybe get them more touches in the 2nd half? Gaston had 7 at half on 3-3 shooting. Ended the game with 8 points on 3-3 shooting. Unacceptable in my opinion.

[xu82]

Exactly. No reason to get worked up about a loss. They are in the best conference in the country. They will lose some games...

We lost a very close game on the road against the #12 team in the country. I though we could have/should have won, but it's not time for despair. We don't suck, no matter how disappointing it is. We have time to improve and peak in March.

[Cheesehead]

Exactly. No reason to get worked up about a loss. They are in the best conference in the country. They will lose some games...

I think the ACC might have something to say about that.

[xu82]

I didn't read this entire thread...so if I'm repeating someone else, mea culpa. Gaston and O'Mara were 5-6 from the field for the game. Maybe get them more touches in the 2nd half? Gaston had 7 at half on 3-3 shooting. Ended the game with 8 points on 3-3 shooting. Unacceptable in my opinion.

I'm with you on that point. We don't look good doing it, but we do have some success inside we ignore at times.

[IM4X]

I'm with you on that point. We don't look good doing it, but we do have some success inside we ignore at times.

Count me in on agreeing with that observation.

[IM4X]

We have plenty of talented players who aren't playing well at the moment and plenty of talented coaches who aren't coaching well at the moment.

They all need to own their poor preparation and performances... and then get to work on collectively fixing it.

[XfansinKy]

After the last two losses, I've gone back and watched highlights of Naji leading his team to the Maryland 4A state title and throw some Paul Scruggs mixtape highlights in too. It makes me feel better.

[scoscox]

Trevon was awful. JP was awful outside of some big threes. Edmond took too long to start attacking. I think Myles was needed out there especially at the start of the second half. We're much better than that

[Xville]

After the last two losses, I've gone back and watched highlights of Naji leading his team to the Maryland 4A state title and throw some Paul Scruggs mixtape highlights in too. It makes me feel better.

Meh...we will see whwt they are like when they get here. Q was a four star and he is going to take at least until next year to really make an impact which is what i said about him all along. Cant count on freshmen unless you are a duke or uk recruit.

[X Factor]

Meh...we will see whwt they are like when they get here. Q was a four star and he is going to take at least until next year to really make an impact which is what i said about him all along. Cant count on freshmen unless you are a duke or uk recruit.

Or a Butler recruit, Kamar Baldwin, who went for 21 and 9 today against X. Freshman are helping teams all across the country.

[scoscox]

The whole dribble hand off weave offense we're running from outside the perimeter is really bothering me. It's so lazy and too perimeter oriented. We don't need to hand it off to JP to let him create. Let him come in and hit threes, but please let edmond create for the offense.

Forgot to add hat the effort on rebounding was less than satisfactory. Gotta set the tone on the boards. We usually do that, but did not today.

[GoMuskies]

Just finished on DVR and have not read the thread. Did we really foul on purpose with 18 seconds left? If so, were the coaches' heads completely up their own anuses or just partially?

[nasdadjr]

Just because they are our "stars" doesn't mean they actually are stars. There is not one NBA talent on this team right now. The great thing about college hoops is you don't need NBA talent to be successful. Plenty of teams have proven that in the past. However, to be successful with less talented players your guy's strengths and weaknesses have to complement other's strengths and weaknesses. This collection of players doesn't do that. Trevon would do well with a traditional big man who posts up and kicks out... that is why he did well with Stain, Farr and Reynolds. We don't have one... Sumner needs a deadly shooter who pulls his guy out of the lane so he can take his guy off the dribble...we don't have one...the bigs we have need an outside threat so they can work inside... we don't have one

We have a bunch of stationary shooters who don't pass well and play mentally unsound. It's not a good combo. The one guy who can play off the dribble (Sumner) can't hit a jumper to save his life making him to predictable.

P.S. to the people who still criticize me for wanting Gates to take a Farr role... look at his line... guy better learn how to play like Farr cause he is almost a non factor as big as he is. Put the big man inside and get his ass off the three point line. I could go out there in a D1 game right now at age 32 and put up that stat line tomorrow.

[D-West & PO-Z]

]have not read the thread. ]

You're in for a doozy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just finished on DVR and have not read the thread. Did we really foul on purpose with 18 seconds left? If so, were the coaches' heads completely up their own anuses or just partially?

And yeah I didnt agree fouling there either but I could see how some may. Extend the game. Coaches probably make that decision though on whether they trust their D and rebounding. Not sure I can blame Mack in not putting his trust in the D today.

[X Factor]

We have a bunch of stationary shooters

Shooters who shoot very poor percentages.

Why can't Gates do both? Be a stretch four who can knock down the three AND post up? That would be make him more versatile and harder to guard.

[scoscox]

Sumner is a pro easy, but yea no one else is close. I agree Kaiser needs to assert himself more, especially on the glass.

[Juice]

You're in for a doozy.

I keep periodically checking in to see if the dust has settled...nope. It might be getting even crazier.
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[X Factor]

Sumner is a pro easy,

Pro as in NBA or pro as in Israel or Greece? He is not an NBA pro, right now. Semaj was better than Edmond, and he is struggling to stick in the NBA.

[AviatorX]

For what it's worth, Duke had a remarkably similar week to Xavier.

[X Factor]

For what it's worth, Duke had a remarkably similar week to Xavier.

Who cares about Duke.

[XfansinKy]

Sumner is a pro easy, but yea no one else is close. I agree Kaiser needs to assert himself more, especially on the glass.

Yea I wouldn't be surprised to see Sumner make himself eligible after this season. Go ahead and get an agent and a personal nutritionist/strength trainer.

[XfansinKy]

For what it's worth, Duke had a remarkably similar week to Xavier.

So

[AviatorX]

So

Just an observation. Relax guys. Maybe it's not all that crazy to play two road games against top 15 teams and come home 0-2.

Edit: Also, I'd imagine a lot of Duke fans are feeling the same way we are about how their season has unfolded so far. Slightly different scale, but still.

[xavierj]

Pro as in NBA or pro as in Israel or Greece? He is not an NBA pro, right now. Semaj was better than Edmond, and he is struggling to stick in the NBA.

He is an NBA talent. Hopefully they are like you and tell him to go back to college. You can't teach what he has.

[X-Fan]

Man, this team/season has been pretty frustratingso far. They have too much talent to not be playing better.

It's very surprising how much they struggle on offense with so many pieces back from last years team. I get that Jalen/James/Remy were important pieces, just thought the progression of Ed/Tre/JP would neutralize the impact. Kaiser has not taken the "next step" (partly b/c of the scope) & Myles is way behind instead of having a classic Xavier Senior season. I know there is time left and all that matters is that they are peaking at the end. Sure hope it starts to "click" soon.

[scoscox]

Pro as in NBA or pro as in Israel or Greece? He is not an NBA pro, right now. Semaj was better than Edmond, and he is struggling to stick in the NBA.

I disagree. As far as Semaj, Edmond is quicker, faster, jumps better, and taller. I think he'll go in the draft this year or next, especially if he continues playing aggressively. Some of the plays he made today were incredible.

[Xville]

Or a Butler recruit, Kamar Baldwin, who went for 21 and 9 today against X. Freshman are helping teams all across the country.

Thats great...just saying we dont know what freshmen will bring until they play in actual games.

[xuwin]

He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him.

He's also drawing the toughest defensive assignment on the floor almost every game usually against a man 4 or 5 inches taller than him.

[Caf]

Pro as in NBA or pro as in Israel or Greece? He is not an NBA pro, right now. Semaj was better than Edmond, and he is struggling to stick in the NBA.

Now you're being silly. Sumner is a probable first rounder this year.

[GOX]

I disagree. As far as Semaj, Edmond is quicker, faster, jumps better, and taller. I think he'll go in the draft this year or next, especially if he continues playing aggressively. Some of the plays he made today were incredible.

Ed has great athletic ability. He is blazing quick, and can jump.
This talent reveals itself on his drives to,the basket.
But, Ed has no consistent outside shot, nor can he / will he pull up when the opportunity presents itself before he fully penetrates the lane.
In the NBA , with his thin frame/ lightweight he will not be able to get to the basket which is his only game.
For reasons I do not know he has not been able to address/ overcome his weaknesses.
Happy to have Ed on our team. Just don't think he is going earn a spot on an NBA roster in the near future.

[Xville]

Ed doesnt have to have a consistent shot to be a 1st rounder in the nba...he is athletic and tall and can play pg...thats all that matters to nba scouts..period. so get over it, hes gone after this year and is a probable first rounder.

[IM4X]

I am so impressed with how well Villanova players are prepared for games and how well they play together in games. They are always hustling their tails off. Always anticipating and moving so well, helping to create great opportunities on both offense and defense.

Talent + Togetherness + Tenacity

[X Factor]

Ed doesnt have to have a consistent shot to be a 1st rounder in the nba...he is athletic and tall and can play pg...thats all that matters to nba scouts..period. so get over it, hes gone after this year and is a probable first rounder.

I don't disagree he's probably gone, but no way he gets drafted in the first round.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=XfansinKy;574241]He's slow. Can't get low and defend. Can't go by people. Can't go over anybody. When he's not making his little three point set shot, the rest of his game suffers. He starts out killing weak non conference teams though and everybody loses their minds over him.[/QUOT

I hate posts like this. The guy was first team all Big East and third team All-American last year. According to you, all he can do is shoot threes, and not very well at that.

He had a bad game. Actually, three of the last four games he hasn't played well. That doesn't change how well he's played his first two years or the rest of this season.

[XUFan09]

Come on, you're a stats guy. Before today, Bluiett has the team's 2nd worst PER in conference play (among players who have played in all of the games). I have a feeling this game won't be giving him a bump up.
Right, so when people say Bluiett has been bad in Big East play, I wholeheartedly agree. It's been really frustrating. But, when they suggest that he can't handle Big East competition after he earned first team honors last year, that is just really, really stupid.

I was referring to stupid comments in general, but since you mentioned that in particular, I figured I would address that.

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[Juice]

Here is my issue with our team right now:


As of this posting, the Musketeers rank 15th in RPI, 22nd at KPI, 25th at KenPom and Sagarin, 40th at LRMC. The computers have a lot of disagreement over where to slot this team. Objectively, though, Xavier's best wins have come against schools that would not likely qualify for the NCAA Tournament if it started today.
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/no-15-xavier-has-one-of-the-weakest-resume-of-ranked-teams-after-loss-to-no-12-butler/

We will have plenty of other opportunities to get some of those type of wins but the season is half over. And I guess my biggest issue is that before the season started we were expecting a Sweet 16 to maybe Final 4 team, but they've only simply looked like a tournament team. And that's clearly an issue with my expectations, but that's where a lot of my disappointment has come from. But they've got lots of time to improve and gel and bounce back and get big wins.

[XfansinKy]

. I'm glad he was voted All Big East. I'm not glad that teams are playing on him now more than before, thus exposing his lack of quickness. Hopefully he will shoot good at home though. I don't mind being called stupid when I know I'm right. I do worry that Big East basketball may be too athletic for him just like I said. He's not fast. He's not a leaper. He doesn't have a quick first step. When his outside shot isn't falling, it causes his game to suffer because he can't fall back on any athleticism. I see a few of you are trying to put words in my mouth that I didn't say to try to make yourself seem more valid. I don't understand that. Hopefully as Myles gets comfortable and creates, Tre plays better as a result.

[xudash]

Just an observation. Relax guys. Maybe it's not all that crazy to play two road games against top 15 teams and come home 0-2.

Edit: Also, I'd imagine a lot of Duke fans are feeling the same way we are about how their season has unfolded so far. Slightly different scale, but still.

For what it's worth, I got your point and agree with it. Nothing wrong with a little perspective.

We'll see what this crew is made of on Monday.

[Xville]

Maybe when we have multiple final fours and championships ill give a flying fuck what duke did this week.

[xudash]

Maybe when we have multiple final fours and championships ill give a flying fuck what duke did this week.

Forget the Duke aspect of it. Obviously, we're now in a much tougher, legitimate conference and back-to-back losses like this are more possible.

I hated to see us lose as much as anyone. I couldn't stand how we pissed away our advantage to begin the second half. I certainly didn't think much of JP's successive bad, lazy passes. Trevon never getting on track from deep - in his hometown where he certainly wanted to have a good showing- didn't help.

Whatever. Again- we'll see what they are made of on Monday.

[nasdadjr]

Shooters who shoot very poor percentages.

Why can't Gates do both? Be a stretch four who can knock down the three AND post up? That would be make him more versatile and harder to guard.
He can do both but he doesn't. Good stretch 4's play inside then work out if needed. Gates does the opposite. He sits outside and occasionally steps inside the paint. He needs to reverse his game to be effective

[nasdadjr]

Ed doesnt have to have a consistent shot to be a 1st rounder in the nba...he is athletic and tall and can play pg...thats all that matters to nba scouts..period. so get over it, hes gone after this year and is a probable first rounder.

He is tall and athletic... able to play pg... jury is hung at minimum right now... if the draft was tomorrow he would be in the D league

[nasdadjr]

He's also drawing the toughest defensive assignment on the floor almost every game usually against a man 4 or 5 inches taller than him.

And if he was quick he should be able to either kill his man outside or take a guy 5 inches taller off the dribble. He can't cause he is too slow. He is a set shooter nothing more. There is nothing wrong with a set shooter in the right offense but he is wrong for what Mack wants to do

[nasdadjr]

Now you're being silly. Sumner is a probable first rounder this year.

I'll take this bet. 2nd round project at best

[scoscox]

Agreed about Gates, but I've seen Sumner projected as a first round pick in some places, so certainly not at best. He's actually doing a pretty good job distributing so far in Big East play. He could be better, but his stock is on the rise and will only get higher, which is why he's such a good prospect. Trevon needs to be able to hit shots otherwise I agree he is not doing all that much to help the team, especially given his athletic liability.

[XUMIOH12]

im surprised this thread isn't longer already, especially after this game

[XUMIOH12]

Trevon doesn't seem to ever show up in a big way in big games

[XUMIOH12]

bad TOs leading to butler scores hurt pretty bad. The defense in the 2nd half really was the cause for the loss this game.

[XUMIOH12]

this was a game Ed could have really taken control of at any time, but unfortunately he didn't even try to do so until partway through the 2nd half.

[XUMIOH12]

definitely a game that we could/should have won, and disappointing that it didn't happen, but in reality it is not a bad loss. Just would have liked to see some more toughness from this team to win games like this. That is a big thing that is missing from this team.

[Harryfe]

definitely a game that we could/should have won, and disappointing that it didn't happen, but in reality it is not a bad loss. Just would have liked to see some more toughness from this team to win games like this. That is a big thing that is missing from this team.
Haven't seen any toughness from Kaiser Gates. You can criticize Ed or JP but not for lack of toughness

[XUMIOH12]

Haven't seen any toughness from Kaiser Gates. You can criticize Ed or JP but not for lack of toughness

the team as a whole has not been tough

[Juice]

Trevon doesn't seem to ever show up in a big way in big games

Hey it's you, the moron who can't remember shit beyond a week http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400916160

23 points and 7 rebounds. Is that good enough?

[JEHARDI]

Tough loss to the # 12 team on the road, the world is not coming to an end but they do need to clean some things up. 16 turnovers against a team like Butler, is way too many. Have to be better than 71% on FT's. If they are marginally better in those 2 areas, they likely have an impressive road win.
A bigger issue, may be, when Bluiett struggles offensively, he becomes a defensive liability. The smaller lineup creates all kinds of matchup issues for opponents when they are hitting shots and can be a problem when they are not. ( no real surprise there).
Confident they will continue to improve but things do not get any easier Monday!

[JEHARDI]

Mack let this one get away. Coming out lazy in the 2ND half is on him. Make free throws and it's a different game too.

players have to execute, Buiett becomes a liability when he cannot hit a shot. T/O' s were a huge problem as were missed FT's. Unfortunately, it is an execution issue, it happens.

[X-Fan]

players have to execute, Buiett becomes a liability when he cannot hit a shot. T/O' s were a huge problem as were missed FT's. Unfortunately, it is an execution issue, it happens.

Same story in all losses: start game playing good D and executing on offense to get a lead. Then go through major scoring drought to let opponent back in the game. From there the opponent maintains momentum, X gets rattled, gets behind, attempts comeback, and loses.

It almost seemed like Ed was ill yesterday. Just didn't seem like himself. I hope his shoulder is ok.

All that said, in order for this team to make a run in March, they need to be broken down and built back up with Myles in the starting 5 (as soon as he is in decent game shape). Shift either JP or Malcolm to the bench & make them the spark plug. I would like to see more of Q. I thought he was really coming along before Nova. Hope they can regroup and give Creighton a game tomorrow.

[Muskie]

Same story in all losses: start game playing good D and executing on offense to get a lead. Then go through major scoring drought to let opponent back in the game. From there the opponent maintains momentum, X gets rattled, gets behind, attempts comeback, and loses.

It almost seemed like Ed was ill yesterday. Just didn't seem like himself. I hope his shoulder is ok.

All that said, in order for this team to make a run in March, they need to be broken down and built back up with Myles in the starting 5 (as soon as he is in decent game shape). Shift either JP or Malcolm to the bench & make them the spark plug. I would like to see more of Q. I thought he was really coming along before Nova. Hope they can regroup and give Creighton a game tomorrow.

I just don't see Myles in the starting 5 for a long while. I think you bring in JP off the bench and start someone else.


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[bleedXblue]

Bad decisions, poor shooting, lack of leadership and lack of defensive toughness. Other than that, its all good.

Seriously, with all that being said we had a chance to win yesterday.

[xuwin]

this was a game Ed could have really taken control of at any time, but unfortunately he didn't even try to do so until partway through the 2nd half.

In the first half he didn't need to. They were getting production out of the other guys. I don't think Mack wants his point guard to be the leading scorer.

[bleedXblue]

I just don't see Myles in the starting 5 for a long while. I think you bring in JP off the bench and start someone else.


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Myles makes the most sense to get Ed in the off guard (wing) position. I do like JP off the bench.

I wish it was Gates, but he's so one dimensional offensively.

[XUMIOH12]

Hey it's you, the moron who can't remember shit beyond a week http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400916160

23 points and 7 rebounds. Is that good enough?

Hey it's you, the moron who can't remember shit except for one game. 4/20 in the last 2 games is not getting it done.

If you want to go back over his entire career, he is averaging a whopping 9ppg in big games (all games vs a top 10 team, BET, NCAA, and UC, Butler and Dayton). Is that good enough? Jackass.

[Juice]

Hey it's you, the moron who can't remember shit except for one game. 4/20 in the last 2 games is not getting it done.

If you want to go back over his entire career, he is averaging a whopping 9ppg in big games (all games vs a top 10 team, BET, NCAA, and UC, Butler and Dayton). Is that good enough? Jackass.

No because you're picking and choosing what you define as big games. He had 21 points in the win over Clemson, which right now is the team's best win. Look at his point totals against Providence last year, who was ranked. How about averaging 16 points against Seton Hall last year who was the BE champion and a tourney team? He scored 15 against, at the time, ranked Michigan last season.

He has big games against a lot of teams. He's shooting poorly the last two games. There is no doubt about. But Jesus Christ everyone, you act like the kicked your dog because he had a bad game against a team we were never going to beat in their gym regardless, and against another team that we allowed 58(!) second half points. There is plenty of blame to go around.

[XUMIOH12]

No because you're picking and choosing what you define as big games. He had 21 points in the win over Clemson, which right now is the team's best win. Look at his point totals against Providence last year, who was ranked. How about averaging 16 points against Seton Hall last year who was the BE champion and a tourney team? He scored 15 against, at the time, ranked Michigan last season.

He has big games against a lot of teams. He's shooting poorly the last two games. There is no doubt about. But Jesus Christ everyone, you act like the kicked your dog because he had a bad game against a team we were never going to beat in their gym regardless, and against another team that we allowed 58(!) second half points. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Your examples of his big games are all just you picking and choosing the games he did well. Do you really think the parameters I set for a "big game" are that far off? Only once last year, he scored above his season average in a big game.

Yes, he has big games, he is a great college player and I love having him on Xavier. I never said to blame him for the losses, but if he played even an average game for him, we probably would have won at Butler yesterday (terrible 2nd half team defense and all). All i am saying is that he usually doesn't over-achieve in big games, most of the time he has an average game (Which for him is still good overall) or he has a bad game. If Xavier wants to win the big games, the best players have to step up and pick up some of the slack for others when things aren't going well.

[X Factor]

Hey it's you, the moron who can't remember shit beyond a week http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400916160

23 points and 7 rebounds. Is that good enough?

That's the thing, if his jump shot is falling like it was against Baylor (6-10 from three; all of his attempts were from three) he will put up points. If it's not falling, like it hasn't been in conference play (averaging less than 12 ppg), he's just not going to score because he can't score in other ways besides jump shots.

We need to him be consistently good with his jumper.

[mohr5150]

I'm not really getting "bad defense" label being put on yesterday's second half. They made two more field goals than we did for the half. 14 shots made in a half isn't much. The ridiculous number is the free throws for both teams. There were 56 free throws attempted by the teams combined...just in the second half!! The first half had 21. Obviously, the refs decided to call a completely different game yesterday in the second half. Even with the several that happened at the end of the game, that is way too much involvement by the zebras. The number that really killed us yesterday was points off turnovers. They had 21 to our 12. We had way too many turnovers at the top which led to easy breakouts. I watched the game and didn't realize how horrible JP was with the ball yesterday. Was it just me or did it seem like he had the ball more at the top than he usually does? It blows my mind how a team with so much experience can be so careless with the ball.

[Caf]

That's the thing, if his jump shot is falling like it was against Baylor (6-10 from three; all of his attempts were from three) he will put up points. If it's not falling, like it hasn't been in conference play (averaging less than 12 ppg), he's just not going to score because he can't score in other ways besides jump shots.

We need to him be consistently good with his jumper.

Anyone know a place where you can get game stats broken out by half? I think that would be very telling.

[mohr5150]

Anyone know a place where you can get game stats broken out by half? I think that would be very telling.

http://www.goxavier.com/boxscore.aspx?id=6529&path=mbball

[muskieindent]

I thought at the beginning of the season our Big 3 had to play well for us to beat quality teams.Trey is in a serious shooting slump.JP has 7 of our 16 TO's .Ed has great second half but no factor in first .The 2 fouls obviously didn't help matters.They need to step it up today.