Xavier v. St. John's (January 7, 2017) Big East Game #3

[Muskie]

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January 7, 2017

Game Time: 2:30 p.m.
Cintas Center
TV: Fox Sports One
RADIO: 700 WLW (https://www.iheart.com/live/700wlw-1713/?autoplay=true&pname=1209&campid=header&cid=index.html)

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)
Live Stats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/xavier/mbball/)

[waggy]

The Redmen are in 1st place aren't they?

[xu82]

OK, I'm flying in for my annual game on Friday, Jan 6. Where do I go to kill an hour or three while I wait for my buddy to pick me up. I get in around 4:00pm and my plan was to get a taxi into town, have a few beverages and wait till he's free. Any suggestions?

[paulxu]

OK, I'm flying in for my annual game on Friday, Jan 6. Where do I go to kill an hour or three while I wait for my buddy to pick me up. I get in around 4:00pm and my plan was to get a taxi into town, have a few beverages and wait till he's free. Any suggestions?

Give this address to the Uber driver and your buddy: 1832 Dana Ave, Cincinnati, OH 45207

Ask for BJ. Tell him I sent you.

[Emp]

I am the only one who is shocked and awed by the Redmen's short game shorts vs Creighton? Seriously 70s levels. Trend? Wretched excess?

[xu82]

Give this address to the Uber driver and your buddy: 1832 Dana Ave, Cincinnati, OH 45207

Ask for BJ. Tell him I sent you.

Saving that for game day (pre and post). I'll probably just wait at Arthurs since it's towards my buddies house. Trying to hit all the familiar haunts in just a few days is tough....

[Juice]

I am the only one who is shocked and awed by the Redmen's short game shorts vs Creighton? Seriously 70s levels. Trend? Wretched excess?

They're shorter than most but the trend is going towards short or non-baggy shorts. Our large shorts are more of a problem caused by Nike and not our guys.

[spursy]

OK, I'm flying in for my annual game on Friday, Jan 6. Where do I go to kill an hour or three while I wait for my buddy to pick me up. I get in around 4:00pm and my plan was to get a taxi into town, have a few beverages and wait till he's free. Any suggestions?

Have you been to Taft's Ale House yet? If you haven't I can't recommend it enough. And if you have been there, I still can't recommend it enough.

[Nigel Tufnel]

X -14.5. That's a lot of points to give.

[xeus]

X -14.5. That's a lot of points to give.


Wow. Sure is. What's your take on that line Nigel?

[QueensbridgeMF]

Seems a stay away game at any line. I feel like they could win outright or lose by 40.

[GoMuskies]

X -14.5. That's a lot of points to give.

To St. Johns? We were giving 10 to Providence.


Sagarin indicates something closer to 13 might be more appropriate.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That line tells me give the points all day.

[Xuperman]

Having watched some STJ games, I am impressed with the quickness of their 2 freshman guards and they both can really score but undersized. No concern for us or any of the top teams in the BE. They look like a pair of nice A10 guards.

[Juice]

Having watched some STJ games, I am impressed with the quickness of their 2 freshman guards and they both can really score but undersized. No concern for us or any of the top teams in the BE. They look like a pair of nice A10 guards.

Ponds was ranked around 50th, had offers from half of the Big East and schools from the other major conferences. He's no A10 player.

[Nigel Tufnel]

X -14.5. That's a lot of points to give.

I'll probably stay away.

Here is a great site to check lines, % of bets placed on each team and line movement.

www.sportsinsights.com

[XUFan09]

Ponds was ranked around 50th, had offers from half of the Big East and schools from the other major conferences. He's no A10 player.
Yup. Lovett was also a consensus top 100 player. These guys are both talented enough that NBADraft.net found it worthwhile to make profiles for them.

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[bleedXblue]

I'm all over the points today. 14.5 ? wow

[letskeepitreal]

Gaston with a quick 2 fouls. Not good but we're getting of to a good start

[XGeN]

Anyone still need a ticket?
EDIT: One of my friends back on campus will take it. I'm still home :/

[paulxu]

This sucks.

[nasdadjr]

Can someone please tell Kaiser Gates to shoot more inside the arc

[X-band '01]

Amazing how hot and cold the Johnnies can be.

[X-band '01]

Of course, foul trouble will be an issue.

Gaston, Macura, O'Mara and Jones all with 2 fouls apiece.

[BMoreX]

Bernard is having a game.

[nasdadjr]

And let me say it's not horrible he shoots 3's but I'd like to see a guy as big as him play inside more. Reminds me a lot of James Farr right now

[X-band '01]

Can someone please tell Kaiser Gates to shoot more inside the arc

If he makes the 3s, he can shoot wherever he pleases.

[BMoreX]

Absolutely horrible blocking call on Bernard

[X-band '01]

Paging Tim Stainbrook...

[Xuperman]

SJU guards are undersized....I will take Q over both of those A10 type guys....Need size in the BEast

[BMoreX]

Edmond also putting on a show.

[letskeepitreal]

Yeah Sumner showing off his skills. Am glad he's getting more assertive. What's with Bluiett?

[GoMuskies]

SJU guards are undersized....I will take Q over both of those A10 type guys....Need size in the BEast

I think Drew Lavender would fare just fine in the Big East.

[letskeepitreal]

Liking the play of Gates and Goodwin with all these fouls.

[GoMuskies]

I had no idea Never Nervous Pervis had a kid on this St. John's team.

[letskeepitreal]

Here comes Trevon thank God

[GoMuskies]

Wish I had taken the over today. We're on fire!

[letskeepitreal]

I think guards of SJ are pretty good. Mullins seems able to recruit.

[BMoreX]

54 points in the first half, still with 2 mins to go.

[GoMuskies]

Much as it's Kroger and not Krogers, it's Mullin, not Mullins. Adding that extra s seems to be a very Cincinnati thing.

[GoMuskies]

Fouling with .2 to go 80 feet from the basket is a bad idea.

[letskeepitreal]

Good first half but I don't think we can sustain 61% FG shooting. Allowed SJ almost 40 pets in the first half. What's wrong with these guys (sarcasm)?

[American X]

This version of Edmond Sumner is more lethal than Ebola.

[GoMuskies]

The late run does give SJU a bit of hope headed to the locker room. Could have done without that. Not much else to complain about. Particularly with JP getting in early foul trouble and basically contributing nothing.

[letskeepitreal]

Liking the 4 assists of Sumner vs 2 turnovers. He's really coming out into his own. Incredible quickness

[Muskie]

The crowd went nuts at half time for Amber Harris and Andy Mac. However it got very loud for Burrell who put down his HOF Trophy to flash an X.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

The crowd went nuts at half time for Amber Harris and Andy Mac. However it got very loud for Burrell who put down his HOF Trophy to flash an X.


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Awesome!

[nasdadjr]

Wow officials averaging 1.25 foul calls a min

[D-West & PO-Z]

Quite the roll for Gates there.

Not good when our 2 best players run into each other though. Ugh

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ed is having his second straight fantastic game. He plays like this the rest of the year we will be very hard to beat.

[paulxu]

Much as it's Kroger and not Krogers, it's Mullin, not Mullins. Adding that extra s seems to be a very Cincinnati thing.

Dana Gardens. Danas.

[GoMuskies]

Sumner, Gates and Macura all came up a bit lame after plays in a short stretch. Didn't love that.

[X Factor]

Dana Gardens. Danas.

WalMart = WalMarts

[GoMuskies]

Flagship

[letskeepitreal]

Wow, I thought that this may have been a trap game and would've taken the points. Boy was I wrong and thrilled to be.

[D-West & PO-Z]

14.5 is that all?????

[Lloyd Braun]

14.5 is that all?????

Barely! Woohoo!$$

[letskeepitreal]

I am always amazes at how accurate the bookies are. X covered the spread barely today

[Lloyd Braun]

Would have been a brutal BDC.

[XUFan09]

Lovett and Ponds are both scary good at times, but they need help out there. And by help, I don't mean Bashir Ahmed, who puts up a lot of shots without much efficiency.

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[American X]

Malcolm Bernard on deem today. He did all of the things on the basketball floor. AmX Approved.

[BMoreX]

St. John's has no defense

[D-West & PO-Z]

Barely! Woohoo!$$

Yeah, Vegas is sooooo good.

[TUclutch]

And let me say it's not horrible he shoots 3's but I'd like to see a guy as big as him play inside more. Reminds me a lot of James Farr right now

Totally different players. Gates will never be a post player nor should he be. He is a stretch four and will float around the 3 point line way more than he'll be in the lane and I have zero problem with that. Hes still working to get fully into sync, but he's probably a top 3 shooter on the team

[TUclutch]

SJU guards are undersized....I will take Q over both of those A10 type guys....Need size in the BEast

Tell that to Mo Watson Jr on Creighton. Both of their guards are extremely talented and will be very good players in the Big East. You're flat wrong saying theyre A10 guards as someone already mentioned

[XUFan09]

Totally different players. Gates will never be a post player nor should he be. He is a stretch four and will float around the 3 point line way more than he'll be in the lane and I have zero problem with that. Hes still working to get fully into sync, but he's probably a top 3 shooter on the team

Yep. Farr was simply a massive human being. That set him up well to transition to playing in the post. Gates is built entirely differently from him. Also, I'm not going to tell a guy to stop looking for three-point shots when he is currently 40% on the season after recovering from a knee scope.

[TUclutch]

Yep. Farr was simply a massive human being. That set him up well to transition to playing in the post. Gates is built entirely differently from him. Also, I'm not going to tell a guy to stop looking for three-point shots when he is currently 40% on the season after recovering from a knee scope.

I normally don't even bother reading nasdadjr posts as hes off base roughly 90% of the time it seems. Thought Id correct him today though

[bjf123]

If we keep shooting less than 60% from the charity stripe, we're going to lose some BE games we should win. That can't continue.


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[letskeepitreal]

Yeah I think SJ's guards will be ok given what Watson's doing for Creighton. Its not the size of He man but the size of the heart. This conference this season will be battle after battle. Good game for us. Good shooting, good D in general,and solid contributions from our bench. A little dissapointed at Gaston and Sean today but being in constant foul trouble probably hampered their aggressiveness

[scoscox]

They are very good. I was impressed with quentin today. He was great defensively.

[RetireFiftyTu]

Much as it's Kroger and not Krogers, it's Mullin, not Mullins. Adding that extra s seems to be a very Cincinnati thing.

This x1000000. Unnecessarily adding s to words is a major pet peeve of mine.

[Xuperman]

Comfortable home W and our bench is really starting to produce but we actually got out rebounded......Basically doubled on the O glass and not much defense to be found.....:pissedoff:

[XUGRAD80]

Comfortable home W and our bench is really starting to produce but we actually got out rebounded......Basically doubled on the O glass and not much defense to be found.....:pissedoff:

The johnies missed 38 shots...they had a lot more chances for offensive revounds than X did. They hit quite a few 3 pointers when X was up by 25 in the 2nd half, but those were mostly because of one-on-one plays by their two guards and not because of any team defensive breakdowns by X. X went on some nice runs in both the 1st and 2nd halfs that were predicated by defensive shutdowns of the johnies "offense". 16 turnovers by St. John's and X got 10 steals and 3 blocks. The score doesn't always give the full story on how well a team does or doesn't play defense.

[XU 87]

The johnies missed 38 shots...they had a lot more chances for offensive revounds than X did. They hit quite a few 3 pointers when X was up by 25 in the 2nd half, but those were mostly because of one-on-one plays by their two guards and not because of any team defensive breakdowns by X. X went on some nice runs in both the 1st and 2nd halfs that were predicated by defensive shutdowns of the johnies "offense". 16 turnovers by St. John's and X got 10 steals and 3 blocks. The score doesn't always give the full story on how well a team does or doesn't play defense.

I agree. I thought X played good D today. Created a bunch of points off turnovers. St. Johns hit a LOT of tough shots in the second half.

[XUFan09]

I agree. I thought X played good D today. Created a bunch of points off turnovers. St. Johns hit a LOT of tough shots in the second half.

Yeah, X had a number of defensive kills (3+ stops in a row) and there were long periods where SJU couldn't get a field goal. Their stars just started hitting some tough shots when the game was already over.

[XUMIOH12]

SJU guards are undersized....I will take Q over both of those A10 type guys....Need size in the BEast

well both of those guys are better than Goodin.....

[Xville]

well both of those guys are better than Goodin.....

Yep and its not close...q is fine but nowhere near the talent of either of those two.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, I'd say Goodin is better defensively, but those two are clearly better on the offensive end.

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[scoscox]

Yeah Q played great defense against the Johnnies

[XfansinKy]

Totally different players. Gates will never be a post player nor should he be. He is a stretch four and will float around the 3 point line way more than he'll be in the lane and I have zero problem with that. Hes still working to get fully into sync, but he's probably a top 3 shooter on the team
Kaiser has all the tools to be a great college basketball player and will start next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at least play some NBA summer ball after college. I think he's that good when healthy.

[TUclutch]

Kaiser has all the tools to be a great college basketball player and will start next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at least play some NBA summer ball after college. I think he's that good when healthy.

He'll likely be startin by the end of this season unless they continue to prefer to go small. I think our best starting lineup would be Sumner, Macura, Bluiett, Gates, and Gaston.

[markchal]

He'll likely be startin by the end of this season unless they continue to prefer to go small. I think our best starting lineup would be Sumner, Macura, Bluiett, Gates, and Gaston.

I like him coming off the bench this year. Our starting lineup is solid and he gives us a nice scoring pop off the bench and a different look to the offense. Good sixth man, like JP was last year.

[bleedXblue]

Gates defense yesterday looked much better. I think he's finally getting back to being 100%.