Game Thread: Xavier @ Georgetown (December 31, 2016) Big East Game #2

[American X]

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Xavier Musketeers vs. Georgetown Generic Mascots
December 31, 2016

Game Time: 11:00 a.m. ET
Verizon Center | Washington D.C.
TV: FS1
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[Wheelhouse]

X 89
Hoya Paranoia 72

[Wheelhouse]

X 89
Hoya Paranoia 72

Wrong thread! Hopefully right score.

[Xville]

it continually amazes me how JT3 does so little with so much talent....although even the talent is starting to drop off there as well. Georgetown for the love pull the plug on the guy.

[letskeepitreal]

I agree. Georgetown is a storied program that deserves better.

[XUMIOH12]

I agree. Georgetown is a storied program that deserves better.

who cares, I just want Xavier to beat them.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is a 2 point favorite tomorrow.

[XUFan09]

Xavier is a 2 point favorite tomorrow.

So Vegas and Kenpom agree this time. This is a tough one to predict, because no one knows which Georgetown team will show up. The one that actually utilizes their talent or the one that basically sucks?

[X-band '01]

Word from Georgetown is that LJ Peak is questionable because of a groin injury.

[Xuperman]

Gonna need the 1-3-1 to be really effective today. The 7' two headed monster of Govan/Bradley could be the difference here. Together they avg 16 & 11. I thinks we have plenty of guys to match up with small school transfer Pryor and keep him in check plus our guys know well what Peak brings, so my concern is the front court match up on both ends. Out rebounding them = W. Unless Tre Campbell goes 3 crazy like last year at Cintas..........uughh!

[Masterofreality]

Word from Georgetown is that LJ Peak is questionable because of a groin injury.

That would be huge. That guy scares the hell out of me.

[X-band '01]

The always entertaining Casual Hoya Game Thread (http://www.casualhoya.com/2016/12/31/14132496/last-game-of-the-year-georgetown-v-xavier-gamethread)

[Masterofreality]

As per this morning's Washington Post article, sounds like Peak will play today:

"Peak declared himself close to 100 percent, although Thompson indicated he and the Hoyas’ medical staff would be paying special attention to Peak throughout Saturday’s game to make certain the ailment doesn’t become more serious."

[XUFan09]

Gonna need the 1-3-1 to be really effective today. The 7' two headed monster of Govan/Bradley could be the difference here. Together they avg 16 & 11. I thinks we have plenty of guys to match up with small school transfer Pryor and keep him in check plus our guys know well what Peak brings, so my concern is the front court match up on both ends. Out rebounding them = W. Unless Tre Campbell goes 3 crazy like last year at Cintas..........uughh!

Why would Xavier put play a lot of the 1-3-1 against a team with a bunch of good shooters and no notable drivers, especially when the man-to-man has been really good this year? I get that the 1-3-1 could be helpful against backdoor cuts, but its positives in this matchup are otherwise limited.

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[paulxu]

There are a LOT of empty seats in that arena.

Nice start so far.

[Lloyd Braun]

Surprised they didn't call that feet shuffling on Peak that they call on Tre seemingly every game.

[paulxu]

Too much 1 on 1 stuff for now. Need to get back to good team ball.

[Muskie]

Frustrating to watch live. This place is cavernous.


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[paulxu]

All the Muskies in the building should take a personal upgrade to the seats behind our bench.

[Olsingledigit]

Peak killing us

[Muskie]

Halftime entertainment. Not kidding... a singles mixer in section 200 and Richard Simmons is leading an exercise class on the video board. Again. Not kidding.


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[XfansinKy]

O'Mara used to clear space with his massive shoulders but he looks to me like he's lost his identity as a banger inside now that he's so skinny. I wish he wouldn't have lost so much weight.

[Muskie]

That was quite a first half. 1 point between Blueitt and Gaston.


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[X-band '01]

Halftime entertainment. Not kidding... a singles mixer in section 200 and Richard Simmons is leading an exercise class on the video board. Again. Not kidding.


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This game certainly not shaping up to be a classic if this is where people meet for the first time.

[paulxu]

Amazing that Bluiett has no baskets in the first half.

[xavierj]

Amazing that Bluiett has no baskets in the first half.

He played like garbage and had no focus. Missed a wide open layup, missed a free throw while talking to a GTown player and was burnt several times on defense. The bright side is he can't be any worse in the second half.

[Masterofreality]

The #Xavier staff needs to see that Kaiser Gates is not good in this game.
Gates played most of the half. Has to be a minus 15. Bernard barely played but hit a 3 with decent D. WTF staff?

And what about our bench? I thought Goodin was a scorer? Where is Gates? Nothing from Sean or Tyrique. 2nd unit is anemic. #NeedMyles

[paulxu]

They don't seem to run many plays for Gates. Either screening for an outside shot, and hardly ever see him take a cut pass to the bucket.

But having our top scorer completely shut out is why we are down.

[Masterofreality]

Peak killing us

Sorry but the reality is that Kaiser Gates is being slaughtered by Peak.

[XfansinKy]

This is awful

[XfansinKy]

Keep shooting JP

[xeus]

Does JP have 3 or 4 fouls?

[SM#24]

Ed and JP taking too many bad shots because no one else is doing anything

[letskeepitreal]

Gotta bad feeling about this but we are still close.

[Muskie]

Does JP have 3 or 4 fouls?

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[SM#24]

The #Xavier staff needs to see that Kaiser Gates is not good in this game.
Gates played most of the half. Has to be a minus 15. Bernard barely played but hit a 3 with decent D. WTF staff?

And what about our bench? I thought Goodin was a scorer? Where is Gates? Nothing from Sean or Tyrique. 2nd unit is anemic. #NeedMyles
2nd Unit ?
I'm trying to find a 5th guy to round out the first unit

[XfansinKy]

O'Mara has no business in this game. Too many big athletic guys out there for Georgetown.

[Muskie]

When you get no production out of the post, you will struggle in this league. The issue hasn't changed from the first couple games of the year. There is no one consistent down low.


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[letskeepitreal]

Yeah I know what you mean about O'mara. Don't think the word is soft but he just can't bang inside with big boys.

[XfansinKy]

2nd Unit ?
I'm trying to find a 5th guy to round out the first unit

Goodin is not a scorer. He's never been a scorer to be honest. Shot about 25% from 3 in high school.

[XfansinKy]

Yeah I know what you mean about O'mara. Don't think the word is soft but he just can't bang inside with big boys.

I may be wrong but he seemed to be built for it last year. At least he made a really nice looking jump hook just now. It's gut check time.

[XUFan09]

When you get no production out of the post, you will struggle in this league. The issue hasn't changed from the first couple games of the year. There is no one consistent down low.


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Georgetown is really crowding around the rim, which makes it tough. The solution to that is to punish them from outside to pull guys away, but they're not doing that well enough.

[XfansinKy]

Hope Sean makes me eat my words

[paulxu]

Is something wrong with Trevon? Did I miss something? (was out briefly)

Hard to imagine our top scorer not involved.

[Muskie]

Trevon is back in. Let's get him some drives to the basket.


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[XfansinKy]

I was hoping to see Tyrique get some valuable minutes considering Georgetown has a lot of kids his size with athleticism.

[Muskie]

Did Sumber knock knees or something more ?


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[Muskie]

Sumner


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[XfansinKy]

Make free throws and get a big ol road W

[paulxu]

Boy, is Trevon struggling.

Hang on Muskies!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Glad Ed is ok. He'art stopped!

[letskeepitreal]

Man Sumner and JP showing a lot of heart in a game where Trevon having difficulty. Let's go X

[D-West & PO-Z]

I havent looked through thread yet but did anyone mention how terrible Gates was in the first half? He was a complete liability defensively. Surprised to see him struggling so much still. He does appear to be having a better second half though.

[XUFan09]

I havent looked through thread yet but did anyone mention how terrible Gates was in the first half? He was a complete liability defensively. Surprised to see him struggling so much still. He does appear to be having a better second half though.

MOR talked about it. I was surprised to see Gates so bad defensively.

[XfansinKy]

Somebody guard that guy from Robert Morris!! Bernard?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sorry but the reality is that Kaiser Gates is being slaughtered by Peak.

Welp now looking back at thread and I see someone else did note it.

Spot on.

[XfansinKy]

MOR talked about it. I was surprised to see Gates so bad defensively.

Yes he would normally be our shut down guy on Pryor. Not today.

[paulxu]

Georgetown's plan seemed to be shut down Bluiett, which they have.
Can't let this Pryor guy beat us.

[paulxu]

Let me repeat. PLEASE don't let Pryor beat us.

[D-West & PO-Z]

MOR talked about it. I was surprised to see Gates so bad defensively.

Yeah just saw that.

[letskeepitreal]

This game is tight!

[XfansinKy]

Grown man rebound by Gaston. That was huge.

[letskeepitreal]

Summers FT's big today

[paulxu]

Hang on Muskies!!!

[XfansinKy]

Good Lord he fouled him. Goodness.

[XfansinKy]

Sweet Lord they fouled again!

[Muskie]

Pryor and Peak are impressive.


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[xavierj]

Trevon, just not good today.

[xavierj]

Can Trevon do something? Get a freaking rebound.

[D-West & PO-Z]

X ball, not even close, get it right.

[mistabeecee41]

I can forgive tre's 0/10 shooting - but this is his 3rd missed box out on a FT. That's just effort.

[XfansinKy]

I can forgive tre's 0/10 shooting - but this is his 3rd missed box out on a FT. That's just effort.

Yep

[D-West & PO-Z]

Roadkill!

[letskeepitreal]

Phew! Too close to my liking.

[XfansinKy]

Roadkill!

Survived

[GreatWhiteNorth]

From now on, every BE game will be close, esp. the away games. Nice way to close out 2016 with a hard-fought WIN.

[D-West & PO-Z]

survived

roadkill!

[Blue Blooded-05]

From now on, every BE game will be close, esp. the away games. Nice way to close out 2016 with a hard-fought WIN.

Yeah, we're going to need Myles Davis and his steady hand down the stretch. Anyone heard any rumors about when he's supposed to return?

[bleedXblue]

Big W.

This teams shooting woes continue. Your leading scorer gets shut out and you win on the road......you take it all day long.

[paulxu]

If Trevon shoots 20% instead of 0%, this is not even a game.

[bleedXblue]

If Trevon shoots 20% instead of 0%, this is not even a game.

All things being equal you cant really say that. Sumner had a career day to offset most of Trevon's scoring.

[Backyard Champ]

Quick thoughts:
This is the first game in a long time I can remember Xavier's opponent did not take advantage of our poor play. Thankful for that.

After watching that game, I think Georgetown is not a good team. They had one play that for some reason we couldn't stop, pass to the player cutting to the hoop. We opened up both halves wit some good defense, but I'd say we played about 6 minutes of good D. Our bigs have a lot of trouble catching the ball and going up with it, which is a shame because they got a ton of opportunities. Thankfully their defense wasn't very good either. Ed was able to get by his man or draw a foul whenever he wanted, which won us the game. I hate to harp on it, but having Myles will make it so Ed can do that in most games. Our team will be a lot better when he comes back, if he is in good enough condition and he can mesh with the team.

[xukeith]

Quick thoughts:
This is the first game in a long time I can remember Xavier's opponent did not take advantage of our poor play. Thankful for that.

After watching that game, I think Georgetown is not a good team. They had one play that for some reason we couldn't stop, pass to the player cutting to the hoop. We opened up both halves wit some good defense, but I'd say we played about 6 minutes of good D. Our bigs have a lot of trouble catching the ball and going up with it, which is a shame because they got a ton of opportunities. Thankfully their defense wasn't very good either. Ed was able to get by his man or draw a foul whenever he wanted, which won us the game. I hate to harp on it, but having Myles will make it so Ed can do that in most games. Our team will be a lot better when he comes back, if he is in good enough condition and he can mesh with the team.

You are assuming Myles will be in 100% game shape and know all the plays with great team chemistry too. If Myles plays this year, I say it will take him a good 4-5 weeks before he is the MD we expect. I hope I am right.

[American X]

Halftime entertainment. Not kidding... a singles mixer in section 200 and Richard Simmons is leading an exercise class on the video board. Again. Not kidding.

Did you get any digits?

[Muskie]

Did you get any digits?

Uh. Negative.


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[markchal]

You are assuming Myles will be in 100% game shape and know all the plays with great team chemistry too. If Myles plays this year, I say it will take him a good 4-5 weeks before he is the MD we expect. I hope I am right.

That's absurd. He's not hurt and he's played with most of these guys for 2+ years. Maybe two weeks before he's starting, if that.

[Backyard Champ]

You are assuming Myles will be in 100% game shape and know all the plays with great team chemistry too. If Myles plays this year, I say it will take him a good 4-5 weeks before he is the MD we expect. I hope I am right.

Which is why I said if he is in good enough condition and can mesh with the team. I think he can, certainly in less than a month.

Don't want to harp on it though, instead let's talk about the game.

Happy with our FT shooting. Ed played great. Happy with the JP. Team rebounding was good.
Defense and bigs were major let downs.
Thankfully Gtown sucks.

[muskieindent]

This was a much better New Years Eve than last year for Ed.Took this game over and willed us to the win.

[GoMuskies]

Get in, get a win, get out.

Skip had it right. We weren't very good, but it's a road win, so I'm thrilled.

[XUFan09]

Big W.

This teams shooting woes continue. Your leading scorer gets shut out and you win on the road......you take it all day long.
The team's shooting woes? Players not named Trevon shot 6-13 from deep.

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[xu82]

I clicked on Live Stats at one point and it brought up the Providence game where Trevon had 22 points. I knew I was in the wrong place immediately. These things will average out....to being well above average.

[muskienick]

Anyone heard any rumors about when he's supposed to return?

All 11,000 +/- of us have heard rumors about Myles' return. 75% of them were from "reputable sources" or from "a person close to the team." The only ones that have not been already proven wrong so far are the ones predicting his return at the St. John's game, the Villanova game, the Butler game, the Creighton game, etc., etc., etc.! My guess is thart there are only two people who know for sure when Myles will return: Chris Mack and Myles Davis.

Blue Blooded --- I realize that your question, above, was probably meant to be funny and/or rhetorical.

[X-Fan]

If Trevon shoots 20% instead of 0%, this is not even a game.

Credit to GTown for defending him well, but Tre was pressing also. It seems Tre does not do well when teams play him close/physical. Hope he doesn't have many more games like this going forward.

Ed was huge, but I thought JP was the most important player for X today. Love his grit and fearlessness, especially on the road.

Great to get a road win when you don't play that well.

[markchal]

Very pleased with our FT shooting and with Ed/JP. Wish our bigs could get a shot off quicker when they get those nice dump off passes. Tre certainly looks like a different player at home. Overall though, tough to complain about a road win, especially when Pryor went off at the end.

[XfansinKy]

roadkill!

Survived and made them roadkill.👍

[letskeepitreal]

Conference games are tough and as long as we win 7-8 at home and 4-5 on the road we'll be ok. Doesn't seem to be that hard but if we can get 4-5 on the road. That would mean 4-5 or 5-4 road games. We got one today. Hopefully we can get another against the Johnnies

[paulxu]

All things being equal you cant really say that. Sumner had a career day to offset most of Trevon's scoring.

Whenever we may have got the offensive board, I agree. If they got two boards, and those had gone in for 20%, I stand by the point.

[profson]

I can forgive tre's 0/10 shooting - but this is his 3rd missed box out on a FT. That's just effort.

Right before the lost FT rebound, and before the one that ultimately went X's way, I asked my buddies at the game why Trevon was on the block down low (with Gaston) instead of Gates. Anyone else notice that?

[Olsingledigit]

If Trevon shoots 20% instead of 0%, this is not even a game.

That would have been 4 and max 6 (barring a four point play) points. Still a close game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Right before the lost FT rebound, and before the one that ultimately went X's way, I asked my buddies at the game why Trevon was on the block down low (with Gaston) instead of Gates. Anyone else notice that?

My guess is they think Trevon is a better rebounder than Gates.

Minus that play I would say so.

[XUFan09]

Tre certainly looks like a different player at home.

What? The two other true road games this season featured Trevon giving a fantastic and highly efficient effort but the team falling short. The only game away from home where he was inefficient was the Mizzou game, because he couldn't buy a three, but he still did fairly well inside the arc. Prior to today, his lowest point total away from Cintas this season was 21.

He was ridiculously bad at getting the ball in the hoop today, but it was an anomaly next to his five other performances away from home.

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[XUFan09]

Credit to GTown for defending him well, but Tre was pressing also. It seems Tre does not do well when teams play him close/physical. Hope he doesn't have many more games like this going forward.


If I was constructing a defensive game plan against Trevon, I would rather play him close and physical rather than give him room to hoist threes, because he doesn't have Edmond's ability to blow by defenders. Still, that's choosing the lesser of two evils, as he has punished many a defender who overextended this season. The best example is the Utah game where he only attempted two threes but scored a lot inside and kept getting to the line.

Simply put, Trevon is the first line of the scouting report for every opponent, as he is far more consistently dangerous than Edmond. Everyone has a game plan to stop him, but up until now, the best anyone has done is make him a bit inefficient. Georgetown is the only team who has actually shut him down, and even then, it took him playing poorly too (e.g. missing wide-open layups and jump shots).

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[XfansinKy]

You are assuming Myles will be in 100% game shape and know all the plays with great team chemistry too. If Myles plays this year, I say it will take him a good 4-5 weeks before he is the MD we expect. I hope I am right.
You should read the last sentence before you criticize this Keith.

[XUFan09]

My guess is they think Trevon is a better rebounder than Gates.

Minus that play I would say so.
Yup. Trevon hasn't been a top-tier defensive rebounder in the Big East, but he is one of the better ones in the conference. Seven out of the nine other teams have at best only one guy that has corralled a higher percentage of opponents' misses than he has.

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[profson]

My guess is they think Trevon is a better rebounder than Gates.

Minus that play I would say so.

I will grant he is a better rebounder in game action, which involves many factors based primarily on movement, shot angles and the like. The question is who is better in a stationary FT situation. I like Gates' added height and 30 extra pounds.

[Masterofreality]

Xavier won on the road with basically a Two Man team yesterday. Tre won't have another game like that all year. Our bench HAS to get better on production.

Malcolm Bernard was the unsung hero though. Big threes and solid defense that I hope Kaiser Gates learns how to play.

Georgetown is ridiculous as to how they do not play up to their talent level. Wanna know one reason why they lose? Thompson's offense is set up with everybody out from the basket to allow back cuts so when a shot goes up there is NOBODY around to offensively rebound. No cheap stick backs despite having a huge front line. Terrible schematics, but you be you JTIII

[XfansinKy]

I will grant he is a better rebounder in game action, which involves many factors based primarily on movement, shot angles and the like. The question is who is better in a stationary FT situation. I like Gates' added height and 30 extra pounds.

From what I have heard,, Gates was having an awesome off season before he got hurt. I enjoy watching Tre, and he's going to have an awesome year. I hope he plays 4 years before he goes to play overseas. If not, I believe the future at small forward is in good shape with a healthy Kaiser Gates. He's definitely not 100% because as a freshman he guarded four different positions.

[xuwin]

From what I have heard,, Gates was having an awesome off season before he got hurt. I enjoy watching Tre, and he's going to have an awesome year. I hope he plays 4 years before he goes to play overseas. If not, I believe the future at small forward is in good shape with a healthy Kaiser Gates. He's definitely not 100% because as a freshman he guarded four different positions.

It looks to me like he bulked up and may have lost a little mobility as a result.

[XfansinKy]

It looks to me like he bulked up and may have lost a little mobility as a result.

Yes I noticed that too. I'm hoping it was due to his layoff and he would adjust. I'm hoping he becomes comfortable in the next 2-4 weeks. He's moving better than he did his first game back. I've always felt even though he was a four star recruit, that he's been underrated. He's a very important part of how far X goes in March.

[X-band '01]

Xavier won on the road with basically a Two Man team yesterday. Tre won't have another game like that all year. Our bench HAS to get better on production.

Malcolm Bernard was the unsung hero though. Big threes and solid defense that I hope Kaiser Gates learns how to play.

Georgetown is ridiculous as to how they do not play up to their talent level. Wanna know one reason why they lose? Thompson's offense is set up with everybody out from the basket to allow back cuts so when a shot goes up there is NOBODY around to offensively rebound. No cheap stick backs despite having a huge front line. Terrible schematics, but you be you JTIII

Mack definitely made a note of Bernard's clutch 3s yesterday during the postgame show. And credit for Bluiett for not allowing a horrible offensive day affect his performance on the defensive end of the floor. Given yesterday's carnage across the country, a potential upset loss to Georgetown would have been very possible.

[mirabilelectu]

Right before the lost FT rebound, and before the one that ultimately went X's way, I asked my buddies at the game why Trevon was on the block down low (with Gaston) instead of Gates. Anyone else notice that?

I think Mack was taking a calculated risk; Gates probably rebounds out of a FT a little bit more effectively than Tre, but the person corralling the rebound on the block was going to be shooting FTs, and I think Mack would have wanted Tre on the line.

[Juice]

It looks to me like he bulked up and may have lost a little mobility as a result.

I think it's more related to him being tentative on his knee. But yeah, it could be either.

[Masterofreality]

For those who were there. From the Washington Post:

in front of an announced crowd of 11,275.

Truth or Dare?

[MauriceX]

For those who were there. From the Washington Post:

in front of an announced crowd of 11,275.

Truth or Dare?

I could actually see that. It was the most well attended game I've been to in my three years going to the X@Georgetown game. The issue is that the arena holds 20k for basketball games, so the place was still about half empty. The 100 and 200 sections were pretty full, but the 300 and 400 sections were almost empty.

[Emp]

For those who were there. From the Washington Post:

in front of an announced crowd of 11,275.

Truth or Dare?

The wait in security lines and at the concession stands notwithstanding, I would have guessed 5-6k live bodies. Unused season tix? I don't think Gtown has 5000 season ticket holders, let alone that many who stayed home and didn't resell or give away.

Bogus.

[Emp]

I think Mack was taking a calculated risk; Gates probably rebounds out of a FT a little bit more effectively than Tre, but the person corralling the rebound on the block was going to be shooting FTs, and I think Mack would have wanted Tre on the line.

I noticed it, too. Mack has been using Trevon on offensive FTs, but it looked strange. Perhaps Tre was going to inbound? We were out of timeouts.

[Muskie]

For those who were there. From the Washington Post:

in front of an announced crowd of 11,275.

Truth or Dare?

I'd say thats tickets sold, not scanned. The place has the vibe of a funeral home for most parts of the day.


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[X-band '01]

How could you not live-tweet the Richard Simmons halftime workout?

[XfansinKy]

I think it's more related to him being tentative on his knee. But yeah, it could be either.
Top 50 SF Naji Marshall is easily more athletic than both Gates and Bliuett. I've watched several videos on him before I go to work(sometimes at work ) and he's already a good on ball defender. It will be interesting because with his athleticism, he could quickly develop into a better D1 SF than both of them.

[Muskie]

How could you not live-tweet the Richard Simmons halftime workout?

It's an omission I regret.


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[Juice]

Top 50 SF Naji Marshall is easily more athletic than both Gates and Bliuett. I've watched several videos on him before I go to work(sometimes at work ) and he's already a good on ball defender. It will be interesting because with his athleticism, he could quickly develop into a better D1 SF than both of them.

I don't see Kaiser as a SF/wing so I don't think it's a good comparison. And I think Naji can become a better player than Trevon that he will be really good at a lot of things but he will never shoot or score like Trevon. They offer different things. I guess it just depends on what the team needs.

[scoscox]

I don't see Kaiser as a SF/wing so I don't think it's a good comparison. And I think Naji can become a better player than Trevon that he will be really good at a lot of things but he will never shoot or score like Trevon. They offer different things. I guess it just depends on what the team needs.

Do you guys really think he'll be better than Tre? Better than Gates... okay, but better than Tre is a whole nother level. He's on pace to fly past 2000 points if he returns for his senior year.

[XUFan09]

Do you guys really think he'll be better than Tre? Better than Gates... okay, but better than Tre is a whole nother level.
He could end up being better, but you are right that it is a whole another level. Tre is on his way to his second year making the Big East first team. The only thing that could derail it is if Sumner is really starting to blow up, and the coaches don't know who to give their vote. At that point, do we have anyone that can channel the spirit of Stanley Burrell?

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[scoscox]

Naji just looks like a radically different player as well. I'm not really expecting him to do anything close to what Tre does strictly as far as his role.

[XfansinKy]

Naji can play point guard through small forward. He blew up over the summer at the Under Armour camp and played about as good as anybody in the country. He's got a really good handle as well as speed and quickness. He's going to be special imo. I also think Scruggs is going to be our 3rd straight NBA level point guard. Watching these two on the internet, they could play anywhere in the country. Glad they chose X.

[XUFan09]

Naji just looks like a radically different player as well. I'm not really expecting him to do anything close to what Tre does strictly as far as his role.
Yup, just a similar recruiting ranking.

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[scoscox]

Naji can play point guard through small forward. He blew up over the summer at the Under Armour camp and played about as good as anybody in the country. He's got a really good handle as well as speed and quickness. He's going to be special imo. I also think Scruggs is going to be our 3rd straight NBA level point guard. Watching these two on the internet, they could play anywhere in the country. Glad they chose X.

I hope so. We are going to be relying quite a bit on freshmen for scoring next year, unless we can pull another year out of Trevon.

[XUFan09]

I hope so. We are going to be relying quite a bit on freshmen for scoring next year, unless we can pull another year out of Trevon.
I think we are more likely to see Sumner next year than Trevon. Trevon just doesn't have much to gain from another year after the season he has had so far.

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Not sure I agree. I think it's possible Trevon comes back. I still don't think any teams would be clamoring for him. He still needs to improve his athleticism and handle. He's needs to be so good that NBA guys can't ignore him. It's also possible Edmond will come back, but NBA guys are just waiting for an excuse to draft him with his body and athleticism and I think down the stretch this year he'll start to assert himself a little more. If games like Georgetown become semi-regular he will probably be gone. If one of them comes back I'd be happy. If both come back I'd expect us to come in next year ranked top 5.

[Harryfe]

Just remember, they both can make a lot more money at several places than they can at X. And perhaps these other places can prepare them better for the NBA, ala Semaj. I suspect Semaj doesn't regret leaving X early even though he was not "ready" for the NBA.

[scoscox]

Just remember, they both can make a lot more money at several places than they can at X. And perhaps these other places can prepare them better for the NBA, ala Semaj. I suspect Semaj doesn't regret leaving X early even though he was not "ready" for the NBA.

Well, he has said that he wishes he would've stayed at X. Whether playing overseas prepares you better, I'm not sure that's true and I don't think the appeal of leaving early to play overseas in the hopes of making the NBA is that strong. IF they don't get drafted I think they come back. Jalen was a special case in that he was much older. There IS still a benefit to staying in college and earning a degree for free.

[XUFan09]

Not sure I agree. I think it's possible Trevon comes back. I still don't think any teams would be clamoring for him. He still needs to improve his athleticism and handle. He's needs to be so good that NBA guys can't ignore him. It's also possible Edmond will come back, but NBA guys are just waiting for an excuse to draft him with his body and athleticism and I think down the stretch this year he'll start to assert himself a little more. If games like Georgetown become semi-regular he will probably be gone. If one of them comes back I'd be happy. If both come back I'd expect us to come in next year ranked top 5.
I'm not saying it's impossible that he comes back, but it's definitely less likely than Ed coming back. The examples are few and far between where a guy improved his draft stock after coming back for his senior year.

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I think it's less likely that Ed comes back. We'll find out. In the meantime, hope both play well enough this year to earn a spot.

[Lloyd Braun]

Semaj went to prep school and was 21 years old when drafted. Regardless of what he has said in the past I'm sure he doesn't regret leaving early. 22 year olds just don't get drafted early.

Regarding current guys this is my opinion only, no inside info. Tre is not going to all of a sudden have athleticism. He is in a tough position for professional ball if he wants to go down that road. He doesn't have an NBA frame. He would make a lot of money in Europe though if he wants. Ed is wiry but he is long enough to have an NBA body as long as he continues to fill out, which he will....he's likely gone after this year as he has already turned 21.

[scoscox]

I agree.

I still think Trevon could really improve his athleticism if he really committed to it. You can't teach height, but you can be quicker, jump higher, and be stronger and no way do I look at Trevon and think he's getting anywhere near the max of what his body can give him. Even losing 15 pounds last summer, there's a lot of room for improvement there. I think that changes his chances dramatically.

[Juice]

I agree.

I still think Trevon could really improve his athleticism if he really committed to it. You can't teach height, but you can be quicker, jump higher, and be stronger and no way do I look at Trevon and think he's getting anywhere near the max of what his body can give him. Even losing 15 pounds last summer, there's a lot of room for improvement there. I think that changes his chances dramatically.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the kid who works with division 1 coaches, athletic trainers, strength coaches, and nutritionists and has always struggled with keeping weight off is doing damn near what he can to maximize what his body can do.

You want him to lose another 15 pounds ? So not only is he under sized height-wise but also is now going to get pushed around because he has no muscle or weight on him?

[bleedXblue]

I agree.

I still think Trevon could really improve his athleticism if he really committed to it. You can't teach height, but you can be quicker, jump higher, and be stronger and no way do I look at Trevon and think he's getting anywhere near the max of what his body can give him. Even losing 15 pounds last summer, there's a lot of room for improvement there. I think that changes his chances dramatically.

This is ridiculous. Tre has lost 20+ LBS since he arrived here. He is what he is. Improve athleticism? Ok

[XfansinKy]

Just projecting but if Ed came back for his junior year and Paul Scruggs is as good as advertised, that's a top 5 backcourt in college. If Trevon comes back with Sean and Kaiser in the froncourt, that's a really good frontcourt too. Bring JP off the bench or starting as a third guard and instant offense. Projecting just for fun as its unlikely, but that's how close X is to being a favorite to make a Final 4 run.

[Xville]

I think at this point. Tre is what he is....he's a really good college player....even a great college player, but there are a lot of Tre's in college that won't make it in the NBA. He can make a lot of money overseas though...and maybe he gets a cup of coffee here and there in the NBA. PErsonally, I think athleticism is more God-given than something you can really improve upon. You can make a tweak here and there, but in the end, you are what you are. Tre has been in the system for 3 years now, he's not going to suddenly get extremely athletic.

Ed is completely different and much more appealing to NBA scouts and GM's. He has incredible athleticism, great height for his position etc. He is still very raw though NBA wise but that is something they believe they can improve on....you can improve your shot, handle etc much easier than suddenly becoming athletic and taller.

[Complete Nutter]

Just projecting but if Ed came back for his junior year and Paul Scruggs is as good as advertised, that's a top 5 backcourt in college. If Trevon comes back with Sean and Kaiser in the froncourt, that's a really good frontcourt too. Bring JP off the bench or starting as a third guard and instant offense. Projecting just for fun as its unlikely, but that's how close X is to being a favorite to make a Final 4 run.

C: O'Mara 6-10 Sr. / K. Jones 6-11 Fr.
PF: Gates 6-8 Jr. / T. Jones 6-9 So.
SF: Marshall 6-6 Fr. / Ridder 6-7 Fr.
SG: Macura 6-5 Sr. / Harden 6-5 Fr.
PG: Goodin 6-4 So. / Scruggs 6-3 Fr.

I mean "even" that doesn't look too bad as long as the freshmen can handle some minutes and then possibly add Sumner or Bluiett or a transfer able to play straight away and whoa...

Not that this has anything to do with the game @ Georgetown or much to do with this season in general, but I can't help myself.

Anyway nice to see X off to a good start in the BE season and wish you all great things for this year.

[Juice]

C: O'Mara 6-10 Sr. / K. Jones 6-11 Fr.
PF: Gates 6-8 Jr. / T. Jones 6-9 So.
SF: Marshall 6-6 Fr. / Ridder 6-7 Fr.
SG: Macura 6-5 Sr. / Harden 6-5 Fr.
PG: Goodin 6-4 So. / Scruggs 6-3 Fr.

I mean "even" that doesn't look too bad as long as the freshmen can handle some minutes and then possibly add Sumner or Bluiett or a transfer able to play straight away and whoa...

Not that this has anything to do with the game @ Georgetown or much to do with this season in general, but I can't help myself.

Anyway nice to see X off to a good start in the BE season and wish you all great things for this year.

I doubt you'll see Tyrique playing much at the 4 or Ridder playing at the 3.

It's more likely you'll see O'Mara and Tyrique sharing the center position with Kentravious (sp?) getting spot minutes or redshirting. And I would expect Ridder to play largely at the 4. In his current form he's not athletic enough to guard any wings.

[Lloyd Braun]

I think at this point. Tre is what he is....he's a really good college player....even a great college player, but there are a lot of Tre's in college that won't make it in the NBA. He can make a lot of money overseas though...and maybe he gets a cup of coffee here and there in the NBA. PErsonally, I think athleticism is more God-given than something you can really improve upon. You can make a tweak here and there, but in the end, you are what you are. Tre has been in the system for 3 years now, he's not going to suddenly get extremely athletic.

Ed is completely different and much more appealing to NBA scouts and GM's. He has incredible athleticism, great height for his position etc. He is still very raw though NBA wise but that is something they believe they can improve on....you can improve your shot, handle etc much easier than suddenly becoming athletic and taller.

Thank you for rephrasing what I posted 11 hours earlier.

[Xville]

Thank you for rephrasing what I posted 11 hours earlier.

Woops my bad :) Great minds think alike apparently.

[Lloyd Braun]

Woops my bad :) Great minds think alike apparently.

Unless we are wrong of course.