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muskieindent
12-19-2016, 02:06 PM
I know he lost,but Brad is as good a shooter as you'll ever see.21 for 25 beyond the arc is incredible and that's not as good as he is capable of.I know somewhere out there is the video of him in the practice gym hitting something like 73 in a row.Would love to see him in the NBA 3 point shooting contest
94GRAD
12-19-2016, 02:11 PM
FYI, Slick Willie was using women's basketballs
X-man
12-19-2016, 02:28 PM
The slick one also made a total ass of himself by injecting politics into what could have been an entertaining halftime show. I know that Snipe likes to mix sports with politics, but most people I know (including everyone I was talking to at halftime, including both liberals and conservatives) were turned off by Cunningham's antics and booed his sorry ass.
Juice
12-19-2016, 04:04 PM
The slick one also made a total ass of himself by injecting politics into what could have been an entertaining halftime show. I know that Snipe likes to mix sports with politics, but most people I know (including everyone I was talking to at halftime, including both liberals and conservatives) were turned off by Cunningham's antics and booed his sorry ass.
You do know that he was purposely trolling everyone?
X-man
12-19-2016, 04:17 PM
You do know that he was purposely trolling everyone?
What, did you talk to him?
bleedXblue
12-19-2016, 04:36 PM
Willie has always been and will always be a jacka**. He gets paid to antagonize and stir the pot......
XUGRAD80
12-19-2016, 06:23 PM
Willie has always been and will always be a jacka**. He gets paid to antagonize and stir the pot......
True dat.......on the other hand, there are people here that do it for free! :)
GoMuskies
12-19-2016, 06:27 PM
Cunningham is still alive?!?
xukeith
12-19-2016, 06:34 PM
At Moeller 2-3 years ago it was Cunningham vs. Byron Larkin and UC former player Bobby Brannen shooting FTs. Cunningham won that. Larkin said he had no clue Cunningham could shoot.
In real life he is extremely to the max very quiet and shy.
He asked for a microphone and pumped up his radio personality.
No Catholic on earth should vote for any politician who supports abortion and all Catholic Universities (do more than 4 exist in the US?) should promote the sanctity of all human life versus intrinsic evils.
Juice
12-19-2016, 06:38 PM
What, did you talk to him?
If you can't tell when Willie is being Willie then there is really no use engaging in a conversation about him.
LA Muskie
12-19-2016, 06:43 PM
At Moeller 2-3 years ago it was Cunningham vs. Byron Larkin and UC former player Bobby Brannen shooting FTs. Cunningham won that. Larkin said he had no clue Cunningham could shoot.
In real life he is extremely to the max very quiet and shy.
He asked for a microphone and pumped up his radio personality.
No Catholic on earth should vote for any politician who supports abortion and all Catholic Universities (do more than 4 exist in the US?) should promote the sanctity of all human life versus intrinsic evils.
No one "supports abortion". That's not a thing.
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TUclutch
12-19-2016, 08:38 PM
No one "supports abortion". That's not a thing.
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Wrong.
drudy23
12-19-2016, 08:55 PM
So he made 21-25 and lost? How did this contest work?
joe titan
12-19-2016, 09:23 PM
Brad shot 3s while Billy C shot FTs ( when he did the Larkin/Brannen deal he canned 10/10)
Juice
12-19-2016, 09:55 PM
No one "supports abortion". That's not a thing.
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Read Lena Dunham's quote from today.
OTRMUSKIE
12-19-2016, 11:44 PM
Read Lena Dunham's quote from today.
Has she moved to Canada yet? I can't wait till her 15 mins are up. That girl is annoying.
LA Muskie
12-20-2016, 12:43 AM
Read Lena Dunham's quote from today.
If you really care about what she said, you should listen to her podcast (https://soundcloud.com/womenofthehour/choice-season-2-episode-5) instead of the alt-right websites covering it. (Full disclosure: I can't stand her or her podcast.) If you do so, you will hear that her central premise is that it's not pro-life vs. pro-abortion (because no one is "pro abortion); it's pro-choice vs. anti-choice. I agree the cherry-picked quote is horrible, but it's also taken out of context.
TUclutch
12-20-2016, 01:39 AM
If you really care about what she said, you should listen to her podcast (https://soundcloud.com/womenofthehour/choice-season-2-episode-5) instead of the alt-right websites covering it. (Full disclosure: I can't stand her or her podcast.) If you do so, you will hear that her central premise is that it's not pro-life vs. pro-abortion (because no one is "pro abortion); it's pro-choice vs. anti-choice. I agree the cherry-picked quote is horrible, but it's also taken out of context.
Lena Dunham looks like a bag of milk and cream cheese. She sexually assaulted her sister. She falsely accused a man of rape. I wont wish bad things on anyone, but i wouldn't be sad if she disappeared to canada and no one ever heard from her again. Shes disgusting and that's just her looks. Her personality, opinions, etc are almost the perfect embodiment of the majority of liberals nowadays and shes a big part of the problem with why there are so many millenials crying about safe spaces. And I don't read any alt right websites btw.
If you support the choice of abortion, you're supporting abortion. Here is a question that always puts my liberal friends' minds in pretzels: if abortion isn't killing a baby, why is someone who kills a pregnant woman(knowingly or unknowingly) charged with a double homicide? Riddle me that
GenerationX
12-20-2016, 01:43 AM
FYI, Slick Willie was using women's basketballs
And Willie's guy had 2 balls whereas Brad's only had 1.
Edit: Man, that didn't come out right.
TUclutch
12-20-2016, 01:44 AM
This is all true, but it was still impressive the guy could hit that many freethrows so cleanly
LA Muskie
12-20-2016, 02:35 AM
Here is a question that always puts my liberal friends' minds in pretzels: if abortion isn't killing a baby, why is someone who kills a pregnant woman(knowingly or unknowingly) charged with a double homicide? Riddle me that
You're cute. You think that's clever.
Most fundamentally the answer would be CHOICE. In one instance the woman has it. In the other, she is deprived of it -- the murderer has made it for her.
Of course she's also dead in your hypothetical. And so practically speaking, the reason for the difference is that the law (society) doesn't have a lot of sympathy for the murderer vis-a-vis the unborn child.
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Juice
12-20-2016, 08:45 AM
You're cute. You think that's clever.
Most fundamentally the answer would be CHOICE. In one instance the woman has it. In the other, she is deprived of it -- the murderer has made it for her.
Of course she's also dead in your hypothetical. And so practically speaking, the reason for the difference is that the law (society) doesn't have a lot of sympathy for the murderer vis-a-vis the unborn child.
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In Ohio, if you assault a pregnant woman the charge is increased one level. The woman is still living. The law protects an unborn child whether the woman lives or not.
Xtemporaneous
12-20-2016, 08:50 AM
No Catholic on earth should vote for any politician who supports abortion and all Catholic Universities (do more than 4 exist in the US?) should promote the sanctity of all human life versus intrinsic evils.
This is about Redford vs. dickhead. You're coming on here with this?
Seriously? You getting paid?
markchal
12-20-2016, 08:53 AM
Lena Dunham looks like a bag of milk and cream cheese. She sexually assaulted her sister. She falsely accused a man of rape. I wont wish bad things on anyone, but i wouldn't be sad if she disappeared to canada and no one ever heard from her again. Shes disgusting and that's just her looks. Her personality, opinions, etc are almost the perfect embodiment of the majority of liberals nowadays and shes a big part of the problem with why there are so many millenials crying about safe spaces. And I don't read any alt right websites btw.
If you support the choice of abortion, you're supporting abortion. Here is a question that always puts my liberal friends' minds in pretzels: if abortion isn't killing a baby, why is someone who kills a pregnant woman(knowingly or unknowingly) charged with a double homicide? Riddle me that
Whaaaaat? Someone this publicly misogynistic being pro-life? Never could've seen that coming.
I hate Cunningham for this thread.
Juice
12-20-2016, 09:17 AM
Whaaaaat? Someone this publicly misogynistic being pro-life? Never could've seen that coming.
I hate Cunningham for this thread.
It's not misogynistic to hate Lena Dunham. She's a horrible human being, and her show sucks.
To add more to her list of bullshit, remember when she accused Odell Beckham of being a jerk for not looking at her or some shit? That was something a normal, well adjusted person does all the time.
GoMuskies
12-20-2016, 09:19 AM
I thought we had a politics thread...
markchal
12-20-2016, 09:21 AM
It's not misogynistic to hate Lena Dunham. She's a horrible human being, and her show sucks.
To add more to her list of bullshit, remember when she accused Odell Beckham of being a jerk for not looking at her or some shit? That was something a normal, well adjusted person does all the time.
Oh, her thing with Odell was pretty bonkers. I'm not a fan of her show, but it wasn't made for me, so I get that.
But, if you're going to pepper opinions about her with pretty terrible things about her appearance, that's kinda misogynistic.
GoMuskies
12-20-2016, 09:25 AM
What's it called when we pepper opinions about Bob Thuggins and YTG with pretty terrible things about their appearance?
SemajParlor
12-20-2016, 09:36 AM
If you support the choice of abortion, you're supporting abortion.
Are you a parody account?
SemajParlor
12-20-2016, 09:39 AM
What's it called when we pepper opinions about Bob Thuggins and YTG with pretty terrible things about their appearance?
Being a good fan.
XUMIOH12
12-20-2016, 09:44 AM
I thought we had a politics thread...
yeah, at this point, can we just delete this thread.
Why is Xavier University giving Cunningham a platform? Who thought that was a good idea?
GoMuskies
12-20-2016, 10:08 AM
Being a good fan.
Exactly.
I still can't believe Bill Cunningham is still a thing.
Juice
12-20-2016, 10:15 AM
Why is Xavier University giving Cunningham a platform? Who thought that was a good idea?
He's a graduate.
joe titan
12-20-2016, 10:45 AM
Why is Xavier University giving Cunningham a platform? Who thought that was a good idea?
Charity promotion
Mack Attack
12-20-2016, 11:25 AM
Back to the actual contest....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFfPztazvFg&app=desktop
Was it best out of 20 or 25?
Thanks for the replies. I knew he was a graduate but we have lots of those and I'm sure we have some who aren't vainglorious and who don't spew hatred and bile with virtually every utterance. I don't know why XU doesn't wheel out some old players for such purposes i.e. charity etc... sorry for going on about this but i find BC to be a loathsome creep and I'm genuinely confused as to who would want him being associated with XU basketball.
go X beat whoever!
Juice
12-20-2016, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the replies. I knew he was a graduate but we have lots of those and I'm sure we have some who aren't vainglorious and who don't spew hatred and bile with virtually every utterance. I don't know why XU doesn't wheel out some old players for such purposes i.e. charity etc... sorry for going on about this but i find BC to be a loathsome creep and I'm genuinely confused as to who would want him being associated with XU basketball.
go X beat whoever!
Because you're taking it entirely too seriously and personally. He's a radio personality.
GetUp5
12-20-2016, 01:31 PM
Can't believe I live in a society where being offended is glorified as much as it is.
If you're offended by Bill Cunningham, you're a complete loser. He's a radio personality, he's hilarious and he's a Xavier grad. He can be associated with Xavier basketball all he wants.
At Moeller 2-3 years ago it was Cunningham vs. Byron Larkin and UC former player Bobby Brannen shooting FTs. Cunningham won that. Larkin said he had no clue Cunningham could shoot.
In real life he is extremely to the max very quiet and shy.
He asked for a microphone and pumped up his radio personality.
No Catholic on earth should vote for any politician who supports abortion and all Catholic Universities (do more than 4 exist in the US?) should promote the sanctity of all human life versus intrinsic evils.
This quote is hilarious and typical of most "conservative catholics." 4 sentences of very reasonable discussion followed by a political mandate.
X-man
12-20-2016, 01:51 PM
Can't believe I live in a society where being offended is glorified as much as it is.
If you're offended by Bill Cunningham, you're a complete loser. He's a radio personality, he's hilarious and he's a Xavier grad. He can be associated with Xavier basketball all he wants.
He's also an idiot when he spouts off like that at a halftime show. If you're not offended by his performance, you are a complete loser.
GetUp5
12-20-2016, 02:01 PM
He's also an idiot when he spouts off like that at a halftime show. If you're not offended by his performance, you are a complete loser.
You're an idiot for taking him seriously.
X-man
12-20-2016, 02:30 PM
You're an idiot for taking him seriously.
In the mature spirit of this conversation..."So's your old man".
Juice
12-20-2016, 04:59 PM
He's also an idiot when he spouts off like that at a halftime show. If you're not offended by his performance, you are a complete loser.
You realize it's possible to disagree with a guy but also not get offended all at the same time? And maybe, just maybe find it funny? I.e. The Daily Show (Jon Stewart days) for Republicans
xukeith
12-20-2016, 06:18 PM
If you really care about what she said, you should listen to her podcast (https://soundcloud.com/womenofthehour/choice-season-2-episode-5) instead of the alt-right websites covering it. (Full disclosure: I can't stand her or her podcast.) If you do so, you will hear that her central premise is that it's not pro-life vs. pro-abortion (because no one is "pro abortion); it's pro-choice vs. anti-choice. I agree the cherry-picked quote is horrible, but it's also taken out of context.
No one is pro abortion? Safe, legal, and rare? It is not rare, it is not safe, it is legal.
Tell that to people(Clinton among that believe that a 7-9 month old fetus has zero rights and abortion is permissible including the day before birth.
If we all consider life valuable, why not agree that babies have rights.
xukeith
12-20-2016, 06:26 PM
As a catholic, you are either orthdox or unorthodox, practicing or not practicing. Pro life from conception to natural death or like 80% of Jesuits: Pro abortion which is not safe nor rare but legal. Intrinsic evil: t is an act which is naturally (intrinsically) evil, because the act itself is absolutely contrary to reason, to nature, and to God.[1] Intrinsic evil can never be done, for it can never be good, because good can never be good and evil at the same time.
Choosing abortion "is okay" is 100% anti Catholic unless you believe evil is okay in certain circumstances in the name of social justice.
xukeith
12-20-2016, 06:27 PM
Dead on. You can roll your eyes but not allow a person to speak at university is censorship.
xukeith
12-20-2016, 06:29 PM
You're an idiot for taking him seriously.
It is all about Ratings, ratings, revenue and more ratings.
He is #1 am host and multiple Marconi award winner. Turn the radio dial to Air America. Does that still exist?
xukeith
12-20-2016, 06:31 PM
You're cute. You think that's clever.
Most fundamentally the answer would be CHOICE. In one instance the woman has it. In the other, she is deprived of it -- the murderer has made it for her.
Of course she's also dead in your hypothetical. And so practically speaking, the reason for the difference is that the law (society) doesn't have a lot of sympathy for the murderer vis-a-vis the unborn child.
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Support a 9 month old abortion when a c-section would save all and be safer? Everyone wins! Google Kermit Gosnell and Martin Haskell here in Cincinnati.
X-man
12-20-2016, 09:12 PM
You realize it's possible to disagree with a guy but also not get offended all at the same time? And maybe, just maybe find it funny? I.e. The Daily Show (Jon Stewart days) for Republicans
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I'm pretty sure that Cunningham his shit during a basketball game, not a political TV show. I'm surprised that you don't understand the difference.
As a catholic, you are either orthdox or unorthodox, practicing or not practicing. Pro life from conception to natural death or like 80% of Jesuits: Pro abortion which is not safe nor rare but legal. Intrinsic evil: t is an act which is naturally (intrinsically) evil, because the act itself is absolutely contrary to reason, to nature, and to God.[1] Intrinsic evil can never be done, for it can never be good, because good can never be good and evil at the same time.
Choosing abortion "is okay" is 100% anti Catholic unless you believe evil is okay in certain circumstances in the name of social justice.
You can be pro-life and vote democrat. Life isn't black and white.
Juice
12-20-2016, 09:45 PM
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I'm pretty sure that Cunningham his shit during a basketball game, not a political TV show. I'm surprised that you don't understand the difference.
No I do. What you don't understand is that I was there and he was "in character" and what he said was harmless. He said he was going to pull an upset like Trump. And then added something like "Go Trump" or something harmless after he won. If saying those things offends you or makes you upset then I honestly don't have anything to say to you because you're too far gone.
Also, I didn't vote for Trump either so it's not like I'm biased either way.
The cunning ham was the city scoring leader at Deer Park and played frosh ball at X, and was a top club golfer at Kenwood, so it's not surprising he can still hit from the line.
He's a broadcast first cousin to Springer and Trump. I don't find his schtick very funny, but there is no acconting for taste.
SemajParlor
12-20-2016, 10:31 PM
Being offended by someone simply saying they support the future PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, says all you need to know about the Trump victory - for all sides.
xavierj
12-20-2016, 11:04 PM
Being offended by someone simply saying they support the future PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, says all you need to know about the Trump victory - for all sides.
Were people really upset because that is what he said? If so that is really weak. I support our future president too. I hope he does a great job and makes a difference. I would hope everyone else feels the same way.
TUclutch
12-20-2016, 11:07 PM
Can't believe I live in a society where being offended is glorified as much as it is.
If you're offended by Bill Cunningham, you're a complete loser. He's a radio personality, he's hilarious and he's a Xavier grad. He can be associated with Xavier basketball all he wants.
This. It's insane someone would actually be offended by a funny radio personality. As someone else mentioned John Stewart. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but a lot is still funny. The Newsroom was a very liberal TV show, but was still funny. Obviously Cunningham was just trolling people and it worked. Now we need a safe space for those people to cry.
muskiefan82
12-21-2016, 12:41 AM
I am offended that Willie used to sit in front of us and leave early.
xukeith
12-21-2016, 07:01 AM
You can be pro-life and vote democrat. Life isn't black and white.
You can be a democrat and be pro life. But zero democrats currently in the US Senate and Congress are pro life.
If a person is pro life and continues to vote for a politician who will not stand up against evil of murdering children ripping limb from limb and crushing spinal cords all in the name of social justice, then there is a definite conflict and moral dilemma.
xukeith
12-21-2016, 07:03 AM
Were people really upset because that is what he said? If so that is really weak. I support our future president too. I hope he does a great job and makes a difference. I would hope everyone else feels the same way.
Some people want a recount of the electoral vote ad move it back to April.
xukeith
12-21-2016, 07:04 AM
No I do. What you don't understand is that I was there and he was "in character" and what he said was harmless. He said he was going to pull an upset like Trump. And then added something like "Go Trump" or something harmless after he won. If saying those things offends you or makes you upset then I honestly don't have anything to say to you because you're too far gone.
Also, I didn't vote for Trump either so it's not like I'm biased either way.
very good point. You are not off the ledge and sound reasonable.
GetUp5
12-21-2016, 09:34 AM
XUKEITH = Too far gone.
Someone find that man a safe space.
X-man
12-21-2016, 09:54 AM
No I do. What you don't understand is that I was there and he was "in character" and what he said was harmless. He said he was going to pull an upset like Trump. And then added something like "Go Trump" or something harmless after he won. If saying those things offends you or makes you upset then I honestly don't have anything to say to you because you're too far gone.
Also, I didn't vote for Trump either so it's not like I'm biased either way.
If Cunningham had said "Go Hillary", it would have been just as inappropriate. It's a basketball game, not a "shock jock" radio, SNL, or the Daily Show. Particularly with this election, it has no place at a sporting event.
Juice
12-21-2016, 10:07 AM
If Cunningham had said "Go Hillary", it would have been just as inappropriate. It's a basketball game, not a "shock jock" radio, SNL, or the Daily Show. Particularly with this election, it has no place at a sporting event.
Uggggghh. It was like 5 seconds of your life. Get over it.
Smails
12-21-2016, 10:18 AM
If Cunningham had said "Go Hillary", it would have been just as inappropriate. It's a basketball game, not a "shock jock" radio, SNL, or the Daily Show. Particularly with this election, it has no place at a sporting event.
Are you saying that celebrities and athletes should not use sporting events and alternative platforms to express their social views? Cunningham spouts a line in support of our President-elect and you find it offensive and go so far as to say that those who aren't offended are losers. Then surely you must be disgusted by the actions of those athletes who kneel during our national anthem. Because an action as polarizing as kneeling during the anthem 'has no place at a sporting event' Is that a safe assumption?
Juice
12-21-2016, 10:32 AM
Are you saying that celebrities and athletes should not use sporting events and alternative platforms to express their social views? Cunningham spouts a line in support of our President-elect and you find it offensive and go so far as to say that those who aren't offended are losers. Then surely you must be disgusted by the actions of those athletes who kneel during our national anthem. Because an action as polarizing as kneeling during the anthem 'has no place at a sporting event' Is that a safe assumption?
No you don't understand Smails, this election was really hard on everyone.
GoMuskies
12-21-2016, 10:35 AM
If Cunningham had said "Go Hillary", it would have been just as inappropriate. It's a basketball game, not a "shock jock" radio, SNL, or the Daily Show. Particularly with this election, it has no place at a sporting event.
If you could get this message to ESPN (who replaced Grantland with the fucking Undefeated on their website), that would be awesome.
You can be a democrat and be pro life. But zero democrats currently in the US Senate and Congress are pro life.
If a person is pro life and continues to vote for a politician who will not stand up against evil of murdering children ripping limb from limb and crushing spinal cords all in the name of social justice, then there is a definite conflict and moral dilemma.
Let me make things easy for you. There never was and will never be a political party which is anything other than shades of grey. So vote for who you want then shut up about it like the rest of us.
X-man
12-21-2016, 11:46 AM
Are you saying that celebrities and athletes should not use sporting events and alternative platforms to express their social views? Cunningham spouts a line in support of our President-elect and you find it offensive and go so far as to say that those who aren't offended are losers. Then surely you must be disgusted by the actions of those athletes who kneel during our national anthem. Because an action as polarizing as kneeling during the anthem 'has no place at a sporting event' Is that a safe assumption?
If you look real hard at this thread, you will discover that I was simply parroting GetUp5's comment that anyone who was offended by Cunningham's rant was a "complete loser".
SemajParlor
12-21-2016, 11:50 AM
The worst part about having extremist viewpoints (upset at someone supporting the President elect, protesting in the streets in Manhattan, Lena Dunham, Cal Exit etc. ) is that it minimizes the legitimate concerns of Trump’s sheer buffoonery.
We got a guy that goes on Twitter rants every 3 hours like a teenager who didn't get their way and has considered Bobby Valentine to be Ambassador to Japan. Can't normalize the maniacal wackiness that is going on. However being unreasonable in your disdain only provides a way to defend him and takes away from that. Oh well, just my 2 cents.
94GRAD
12-21-2016, 01:20 PM
Abortion views should be the one of the last reasons you vote for a candidate.
cutterX
12-21-2016, 01:32 PM
I was there and saw the contest and booed Cunningham after, not because of what he said(I couldn't even hear him ) but out of sheer principle. I think he's a boob, has always been a boob, and like Jerry Springer, panders to the masses to make a buck. Yes I get the joke but the problem is all the knuckle draggers in the area who don't and take his word as gospel. He may be a great guy one on one but I will still boo him. I'm sure he gets the joke.
GoMuskies
12-21-2016, 01:37 PM
I will still boo him. I'm sure he gets the joke.
Absolutely. If it wasn't for the segment of the crowd booing him, his schtick wouldn't work.
My 2 cents... to the posters obsessing about the left being "offended" by everything. If you're paying attention, that didn't just happen sua sponte, those Thomists among you may recognize causation here. The republicans ran a candidate who called Mexicans rapists, who demeaned women -- "bleeding from everywhere" "grab 'em by their p****", Blacks -- "there's my african american" Immigrants, an Indian family whose son died while serving this country, War heroes " I prefer those who didn't get captured", Generals, - whom he knows more than, Union leaders, the USWA local president from Indiana...etc... He called for Putin to interfere in the US election, he proposed arming Japan with nuclear weapons and he is playing fast and loose with US-Sino relations... and that's just the shorthand version.
No wonder people are reacting (over?) against incendiary speech, what would you have them do? Just grow a thicker skin? Go to the back of the bus? Become straight?
In my view, some people are legitimately feeling vulnerable. Yes, the Donald won the election but if I or somebody else wants to call him or other purveyors of hate speech out, and say that it is offensive to certain human beings, who are you to object to that? Unless of course you completely object to civil discourse or to opinions contrary to your own. Did you watch your candidate at the Al Smith dinner? With Archbishop Dolan sitting next to him? Disgraceful.
By the way, my objection to BC is based upon my belief that the University I graduated from should not be foisting a pig ignorant rube upon Xavier basketball fans. A better quality university wouldn't have done so.
X-band '01
12-21-2016, 01:51 PM
Besides the Zooperstars (which looks childish in comparison now), has anyone else been booed at halftime at a Xavier game?
ammtd34
12-21-2016, 01:55 PM
My 2 cents... to the posters obsessing about the left being "offended" by everything. If you're paying attention, that didn't just happen sua sponte, those Thomists among you may recognize causation here. The republicans ran a candidate who called Mexicans rapists, who demeaned women -- "bleeding from everywhere" "grab 'em by their p****", Blacks -- "there's my african american" Immigrants, an Indian family whose son died while serving this country, War heroes " I prefer those who didn't get captured", Generals, - whom he knows more than, Union leaders, the USWA local president from Indiana...etc... He called for Putin to interfere in the US election, he proposed arming Japan with nuclear weapons and he is playing fast and loose with US-Sino relations... and that's just the shorthand version.
No wonder people are reacting (over?) against incendiary speech, what would you have them do? Just grow a thicker skin? Go to the back of the bus? Become straight?
In my view, some people are legitimately feeling vulnerable. Yes, the Donald won the election but if I or somebody else wants to call him or other purveyors of hate speech out, and say that it is offensive to certain human beings, who are you to object to that? Unless of course you completely object to civil discourse or to opinions contrary to your own. Did you watch your candidate at the Al Smith dinner? With Archbishop Dolan sitting next to him? Disgraceful.
By the way, my objection to BC is based upon my belief that the University I graduated from should not be foisting a pig ignorant rube upon Xavier basketball fans. A better quality university wouldn't have done so.
I think the point that people here are making is that Bill Cunningham was shooting foul shots. Not everything has to be life and death.
Juice
12-21-2016, 02:22 PM
Besides the Zooperstars (which looks childish in comparison now), has anyone else been booed at halftime at a Xavier game?
I love the Zooperstars
I think the point that people here are making is that Bill Cunningham was shooting foul shots. Not everything has to be life and death.
You are correct. Perspective - Sorely needed. Thank you.
X-man
12-21-2016, 02:51 PM
I think the point that people here are making is that Bill Cunningham was shooting foul shots. Not everything has to be life and death.
Actually the point here is that if Cunningham had stuck to shooting foul shots instead of also shooting off his mouth, no one would have booed him. If you were there, you know that the booing didn't start until he started spouting off about Trump.
ammtd34
12-21-2016, 03:03 PM
Actually the point here is that if Cunningham had stuck to shooting foul shots instead of also shooting off his mouth, no one would have booed him. If you were there, you know that the booing didn't start until he started spouting off about Trump.
Boo him. I don't care. If he says something and people boo, that's it though. I don't understand why it has to go beyond that.
chico
12-21-2016, 03:50 PM
About 20 years ago my great aunt was near death and in a nursing home. One day I went to visit her and she was very excited about something. I asked her what it was and she said that the Pope was going to visit Cincinnati. I asked her where she heard that, and she told me she had been listening to Bill Cunningham and he had been talking about it all day. Maybe not everyone who takes him seriously is senile, but my guess is a large portion are.
He doesn't care if you cheer him or boo him, just so that you do one of the two. He lives to get a reaction, and to him it doesn't matter what kind, though my guess is he actually prefers the boos because he knows he's gotten under your skin.
The highlight of that halftime show was watching Redford bury 3 after 3. It was amazing. I could watch that at every halftime (except when they have quick change and the Amazing Christopher, but that's just common sense). It's too bad people got caught up in Willie's antics.
muskiefan82
12-21-2016, 04:20 PM
So...........Willie Cunningham or the Nationally Ranked Xavier Dance Team? Choose.
xukeith
12-21-2016, 05:32 PM
So...........Willie Cunningham or the Nationally Ranked Xavier Dance Team? Choose.
Very tough choice but I will take Willie.
xukeith
12-21-2016, 05:37 PM
About 20 years ago my great aunt was near death and in a nursing home. One day I went to visit her and she was very excited about something. I asked her what it was and she said that the Pope was going to visit Cincinnati. I asked her where she heard that, and she told me she had been listening to Bill Cunningham and he had been talking about it all day. Maybe not everyone who takes him seriously is senile, but my guess is a large portion are.
He doesn't care if you cheer him or boo him, just so that you do one of the two. He lives to get a reaction, and to him it doesn't matter what kind, though my guess is he actually prefers the boos because he knows he's gotten under your skin.
The highlight of that halftime show was watching Redford bury 3 after 3. It was amazing. I could watch that at every halftime (except when they have quick change and the Amazing Christopher, but that's just common sense). It's too bad people got caught up in Willie's antics.
Agree. He is entertaining. Nothing personal. He does have a serious side when talking local city issues and when someone who dies, he gives good perspective and prayers.
markchal
12-21-2016, 08:08 PM
So is he "expressing his opinion" or is he a "political shock jock"? If there are people on this thread that have differing opinions, I think it's fair to say not everyone at a game is gonna get his act. I imagine there's a good chunk of people there who don't listen to his show and don't know much about him. He's an alum, he doesn't have to be "Willie" and I don't think he was booked to be "Willie" and if he wanted to be that, maybe pick a different game than the one played to honor the legacy of Skip Prosser.
Juice
12-21-2016, 08:12 PM
So is he "expressing his opinion" or is he a "political shock jock"? If there are people on this thread that have differing opinions, I think it's fair to say not everyone at a game is gonna get his act. I imagine there's a good chunk of people there who don't listen to his show and don't know much about him. He's an alum, he doesn't have to be "Willie" and I don't think he was booked to be "Willie" and if he wanted to be that, maybe pick a different game than the one played to honor the legacy of Skip Prosser.
That's fine but his statements were more or less about pulling an upset like Trump and go Trump. Whether he is in character or not, if that offends you, don't leave the house because there is 30 times worse shit out in the world than that. We've gotten to the point where a person can't support the president elect of the United States. When people fawned over Obama for the last 8 years, I didn't cry or tell people that it's not the place or time. It's part of life. Get over it. Hell, our fan base says worse things to our own players during games than what Willie said.
X-man
12-22-2016, 07:50 AM
That's fine but his statements were more or less about pulling an upset like Trump and go Trump. Whether he is in character or not, if that offends you, don't leave the house because there is 30 times worse shit out in the world than that. We've gotten to the point where a person can't support the president elect of the United States. When people fawned over Obama for the last 8 years, I didn't cry or tell people that it's not the place or time. It's part of life. Get over it. Hell, our fan base says worse things to our own players during games than what Willie said.
I don't recall any Xavier game halftime show performer "fawning" over Obama. Please remind me of when those events happened at a Xavier game. Thanks.
Juice
12-22-2016, 07:57 AM
I don't recall any Xavier game halftime show performer "fawning" over Obama. Please remind me of when those events happened at a Xavier game. Thanks.
I'm out of this thread. There is no talking to a person who was offended/uncomfortable over two comments lasting maybe five seconds from a radio show host.
In the words of Robin Williams, "It's not your fault."
X-man
12-22-2016, 10:01 AM
I'm out of this thread. There is no talking to a person who was offended/uncomfortable over two comments lasting maybe five seconds from a radio show host.
In the words of Robin Williams, "It's not your fault."
Of course you are. That's because you have no case in this battle about politics and Xavier basketball being conflated inappropriately. It's never was about what people said or thought about politics away from basketball, but rather the behavior of Cunningham at a Xavier basketball game.
Cunningham is who he is. He is a funny radio host but also a die hard politico. Fact is he does have a lot of connections to the city and the university so I have no problem with X inviting him. Just wish he could shut up about politics for 10 seconds.
Smails
12-22-2016, 11:45 AM
Any chance Bill Cunningham is reading this thread and laughing his ass off?
ammtd34
12-22-2016, 01:46 PM
Any chance Bill Cunningham is reading this thread and laughing his ass off?
Yes.
nuts4xu
12-22-2016, 02:08 PM
Actually the point here is that if Cunningham had stuck to shooting foul shots instead of also shooting off his mouth, no one would have booed him. If you were there, you know that the booing didn't start until he started spouting off about Trump.
He is a shock jock, he would have been booed whether he mentioned Trump or not. He has been booed at Xavier games for decades, almost as long as he has been shooting his mouth off. Congratulations, you have taken the bait. You are the exact type of person that have made him what he is today. He got you riled up saying less than 12 words, which is quite efficient.
Lighten up Francis!
I find Willie hilarious, and think he is a Great American.
X-man
12-22-2016, 04:41 PM
He is a shock jock, he would have been booed whether he mentioned Trump or not. He has been booed at Xavier games for decades, almost as long as he has been shooting his mouth off. Congratulations, you have taken the bait. You are the exact type of person that have made him what he is today. He got you riled up saying less than 12 words, which is quite efficient.
Lighten up Francis!
I find Willie hilarious, and think he is a Great American.
I have been a season ticketholder since about 1990, and I have never heard Cunningham booed. Not only that, I have never listened to his radio show...not once. Hard to see how that makes me "the type of person that have (sic) made him what he is today". I could care less what he says or thinks. But I don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
Muskie in dayton
12-22-2016, 10:19 PM
I have been a season ticketholder since about 1990, and I have never heard Cunningham booed. Not only that, I have never listened to his radio show...not once. Hard to see how that makes me "the type of person that have (sic) made him what he is today". I could care less what he says or thinks. But I don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
Wow man, you take politics WAY too seriously. I've seen enough elections come and go to realize it really doesn't matter all that much. Willie's (or anyone's) opinions matter a lot whole lot less. Just enjoy the show. Life's too short.
BENWAR
12-23-2016, 01:33 AM
I have been a season ticketholder since about 1990, and I have never heard Cunningham booed. Not only that, I have never listened to his radio show...not once. Hard to see how that makes me "the type of person that have (sic) made him what he is today". I could care less what he says or thinks. But I don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
Season ticket holder since 1990.
Never listened to his radio show.
Could care less what he says or thinks.
Don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
MAKE ME KING!
X-man
12-23-2016, 08:15 AM
Wow man, you take politics WAY too seriously. I've seen enough elections come and go to realize it really doesn't matter all that much. Willie's (or anyone's) opinions matter a lot whole lot less. Just enjoy the show. Life's too short.
I probably do. I lived in DC for 10 years before moving to Cincy, so that probably tainted me for life. But I do believe politics matter much of the time, and I think that we are going through one of them. Regardless...Merry Christmas, one and all. And "Go Muskies!"
nuts4xu
12-23-2016, 11:02 AM
I have been a season ticketholder since about 1990, and I have never heard Cunningham booed. Not only that, I have never listened to his radio show...not once. Hard to see how that makes me "the type of person that have (sic) made him what he is today". I could care less what he says or thinks. But I don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
If we are having a contest, I've had tickets since 1986. I went to Xavier with Willies's son (for the few months he was there). I have heard Willie booed on many occasions. It's not every game, but it has happened.
Never listened to his show once, huh? You seem to know an awful lot about the guy for someone who has heard his show "not once". You are offended he said a few words at a basketball game. You gave a reaction, which is what Willie's schtik is designed to do. You took the bait. Don't be mad at Willie because you are a sucker. God made you that way, and it can't be changed.
For someone that "could care less what he says or thinks" you seem to care an awful lot about what he said and thought during the Wake Forest game. If you really didn't care, the proper response to his comments would be to blow them off....
markchal
12-23-2016, 12:29 PM
I have been a season ticketholder since about 1990, and I have never heard Cunningham booed. Not only that, I have never listened to his radio show...not once. Hard to see how that makes me "the type of person that have (sic) made him what he is today". I could care less what he says or thinks. But I don't want him spewing his political garbage at a X basketball game.
Completely agree. Have only been season ticket holder since 2000, but haven't heard him booed either.
SM#24
12-23-2016, 03:23 PM
I look at it as it not being about whether you like or agree with Willie and his views of the world. He's obviously a polarizing figure and we all either like or not. To me there were far more important things (IMO) going on that night. But selfishly he chose to make the halftime event about himself by bringing up a very controversial topic that he knew would draw all the attention to that instead of what we should have been celebrating. None of this has anything to do with Trump. Trump just happens to be the current polarizing topic. I'm sure if the contest were held two years ago, he would have brought up whatever was the most controversial topic of that day.
The contest was great; both Willie and Brad pumping in shot after shot after shot. If he wanted to make it about him, I would have preferred he talked about how he just beat the great Brad Redford in a shooting contest. But more importantly, I wished he would have taken time to talk about what we were celebrating that day: Skip Prosser and two great organizations that the shooting contest was a benefit for, The Karen Carns Foundation, http://www.karencarnsfoundation.org/ and the Mack Family Foundation, https://www.facebook.com/MackFamilyFoundation
While I applaud him for lending his celebrity to the contest, all people are now talking about with respect to the evening's activities is him and Trump and not what the contest was for. Sad.
muskiefan82
12-23-2016, 03:57 PM
Apparently, I picked a great time to go to the restroom with my son and then get snacks and sodas since I missed his whole spiel.
scoscox
12-23-2016, 04:18 PM
It wasn't even a spiel. He just said he'd pull an upset like Trump.
X-man
12-23-2016, 04:44 PM
If we are having a contest, I've had tickets since 1986. I went to Xavier with Willies's son (for the few months he was there). I have heard Willie booed on many occasions. It's not every game, but it has happened.
Never listened to his show once, huh? You seem to know an awful lot about the guy for someone who has heard his show "not once". You are offended he said a few words at a basketball game. You gave a reaction, which is what Willie's schtik is designed to do. You took the bait. Don't be mad at Willie because you are a sucker. God made you that way, and it can't be changed.
For someone that "could care less what he says or thinks" you seem to care an awful lot about what he said and thought during the Wake Forest game. If you really didn't care, the proper response to his comments would be to blow them off....
And Merry Christmas to you too.
paulxu
12-23-2016, 06:34 PM
You guys are 3 long pages into this thread, and there no consensus on who actually won the shooting contest.
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