Give me myles davis, or give me death!!

[kmcrawfo]

You can choose who and what you want to believe. I don't really care. They weren't assumptions. And while the universe of people who have firsthand knowledge is limited, it is not limited to JUST Mack and Myles.


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To LA's Defense, I can with confidence say that there is an exact date, there has always been an exact date, people other than Myles and Mack know the exact date, and the date/plan has not been adjusted or changed. People who are privy to this information also know that if such date and other information is disclosed those same people will never get such type of information ever again. Is this cryptic, absolutely. But by this time everyone certainly realizes everything will remain cryptic until the said date has arrived.

The only reason I am posting this is to say it is possible LAMuskie is spot on with the info being posted. But, then again, since I have no idea who the info is actually coming from what the heck do I know.....

I am just pumped for when Myles is back, and the team is ready to welcome him back as well.

Everyone have a Happy New Year.

[xu82]

To LA's Defense, I can with confidence say that there is an exact date, there has always been an exact date, people other than Myles and Mack know the exact date, and the date/plan has not been adjusted or changed. People who are privy to this information also know that if such date and other information is disclosed those same people will never get such type of information ever again. Is this cryptic, absolutely. But by this time everyone certainly realizes everything will remain cryptic until the said date has arrived.

The only reason I am posting this is to say it is possible LAMuskie is spot on with the info being posted. But, then again, since I have no idea who the info is actually coming from what the heck do I know.....

I am just pumped for when Myles is back, and the team is ready to welcome him back as well.

Everyone have a Happy New Year.

AMEN! And thank you. This will be over when it's over. It's natural to be curious, but it's also important to trust our staff, as I do.

Edit: "Staff" originally got autocorrected to "Satan", don't let that happen to you!!!!!! That would make a big difference.

[XUFan09]

AMEN! And thank you. This will be over when it's over. It's natural to be curious, but it's also important to trust our staff, as I do.

Edit: "Staff" originally got autocorrected to "Satan", don't let that happen to you!!!!!! That would make a big difference.
What a way to end the year. New Year's Resolution: "I will not encourage others to follow Lucifer anymore."

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[xu82]

What a way to end the year. New Year's Resolution: "I will not encourage others to follow Lucifer anymore."

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I'm just glad I caught it! That's not something I'd want hanging out there!

[vee4xu]

Let me throw a monkey wrench into the discussion. The current roster of players are getting comfortable with each other, rotations are set and confidence is building. Even though Myles has been here for four years and was also a big contributor on the court during his time, does assimilating him back onto the team create risks for all that's been accomplished so far? Had Myles come back near the end of the out of conference schedule, I think the impact of assimilating him back onto the team is different that heading into the heart of the conference schedule.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm a big Myles Davis fan, but am a bigger Xavier basketball team fan and feel the team aspect may be at risk. Just a thought.

[Harryfe]

Let me throw a monkey wrench into the discussion. The current roster of players are getting comfortable with each other, rotations are set and confidence is building. Even though Myles has been here for four years and was also a big contributor on the court during his time, does assimilating him back onto the team create risks for all that's been accomplished so far? Had Myles come back near the end of the out of conference schedule, I think the impact of assimilating him back onto the team is different that heading into the heart of the conference schedule.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm a big Myles Davis fan, but am a bigger Xavier basketball team fan and feel the team aspect may be at risk. Just a thought.
I'm not so happy with the bench and neither is C Mack. Q and Tyrique played a total of 9 min and accumulated 0 points, 4 fouls and a t/o

[xu82]

let me throw a monkey wrench into the discussion. The current roster of players are getting comfortable with each other, rotations are set and confidence is building. Even though myles has been here for four years and was also a big contributor on the court during his time, does assimilating him back onto the team create risks for all that's been accomplished so far? Had myles come back near the end of the out of conference schedule, i think the impact of assimilating him back onto the team is different that heading into the heart of the conference schedule.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm a big myles davis fan, but am a bigger xavier basketball team fan and feel the team aspect may be at risk. Just a thought.


you hate myles!!!

[paulxu]

I don't think I've posted in this lengthy thread, because I don't have anything to add; and still don't.
I'm too focused on what's happening on the floor with the players who are suited up.

But Kim, your comments raise a question (that has probably been addressed) for me.
If there is a date certain for Myles to return to the team, and that should mean he's done all that has been asked, what is the value to the entire situation to keep that date a secret?

I'm guessing there is some value, but I'm hard pressed to see it.

[SC in DC]

I think the value is so that we could have a 26+ page post about it!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Let me throw a monkey wrench into the discussion. The current roster of players are getting comfortable with each other, rotations are set and confidence is building. Even though Myles has been here for four years and was also a big contributor on the court during his time, does assimilating him back onto the team create risks for all that's been accomplished so far? Had Myles come back near the end of the out of conference schedule, I think the impact of assimilating him back onto the team is different that heading into the heart of the conference schedule.

Don't get me wrong here. I'm a big Myles Davis fan, but am a bigger Xavier basketball team fan and feel the team aspect may be at risk. Just a thought.

Myles Davis was our 2nd or 3rd best player last year. He will easily be one of our top 4 players when he comes back.

Are we seriously questioning now if Myles coming back makes our team worse????

This suspension cant end soon enough, it is driving us all mad, myself most certainly included.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think the value is so that we could have a 26+ page post about it!

Ha, exactly!

[bleedXblue]

Myles Davis was our 2nd or 3rd best player last year. He will easily be one of our top 4 players when he comes back.

Are we seriously questioning now if Myles coming back makes our team worse????

This suspension cant end soon enough, it is driving us all mad, myself most certainly included.

exactly.....to question his value and impact is kind of ridiculous.

[XUMIOH12]

exactly.....to question his value and impact is kind of ridiculous.

it is very ridiculous! its silly to think that Davis playing again could make the team worse.

[xukeith]

it is very ridiculous! its silly to think that Davis playing again could make the team worse.

I ponder if he is not allowed to practice until classes start in 2nd semester.
Worst case scenario: he wont play until BE conference tourney.
Best case: He can practice today and suit up next week for SJU.

I bet somewhere in between.

[vee4xu]

I didn't suggest the team would be worse, I merely asked if the chemistry would be affected. All teams work through the OOC schedule to set a rotation, build team confidence in practice and hope that it translates positively in conference games, conference tournaments and the NCAA tournament. Introducing a new element into that process has its risks. And, the risk is different here because Myles is not merely injured and around the team so other players see and interact with him. No, he was involved in the criminal justice system, apart from his team and in a higher stress situation than a player who's merely injured. When injured players return, they very likely do so with the full support of everyone on the team and coaching staff. In Myles' case, there may be differing opinions among players and coaches as to him being reinstated. If so, that places stress on that rotation and chemistry I mentioned earlier. If Myles' circumstances were easy and tidy, I suspect that he'd have been playing by now. The fact that he isn't makes me wonder if there are mitigating and complicating circumstances that have him in a situation where he hasn't already been reinstated. If so, it is those mitigating and complicating circumstances that have me concerned that his return may impact chemistry. So, nothing personal against Myles, but rather a pragmatic thought process of how one may view the situation.

Would Xavier potentially be a better basketball team with Myles on the court? Based on my thoughts above, one would have to say, depends.

[Masterofreality]

Seth Davis and his latest team Buy/Sell analysis:

Xavier (12–2) — SELL

After losing at Baylor and Colorado in December, the Musketeers showed some real road mettle in getting past Georgetown on Saturday. But they’ve got a brutal stretch coming up that includes two games against Creighton and Villanova, a road game at Butler, and the annual matchup against Cincinnati—also on the road. The good news is that 6' 2" senior guard Myles Davis, who has been suspended after he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct, is going to rejoin the team soon, which should allow for a few more easy buckets. This team is too good to fall far, but it’s due for a comedown.

[X-band '01]

Butler will be tricky for sure, but Xavier has been a bad matchup for them in recent memory.

[bleedXblue]

Seth Davis and his latest team Buy/Sell analysis:

Xavier (12–2) — SELL

After losing at Baylor and Colorado in December, the Musketeers showed some real road mettle in getting past Georgetown on Saturday. But they’ve got a brutal stretch coming up that includes two games against Creighton and Villanova, a road game at Butler, and the annual matchup against Cincinnati—also on the road. The good news is that 6' 2" senior guard Myles Davis, who has been suspended after he pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of disorderly conduct, is going to rejoin the team soon, which should allow for a few more easy buckets. This team is too good to fall far, but it’s due for a comedown.

Any team in the country would have a tough time with that stretch of games. If we could somehow take 2 of those 4, that would be huge.

[Michigan Muskie]

Butler will be tricky for sure, but Xavier has been a bad matchup for them in recent memory.

Butler is our bitch. 9-2 in the last 11.

[vee4xu]

Myles was my favorite player from last year's team. James Farr, a close second. I would love nothing more than for Myles to come back, life in order, join the team and make a deep run into March. My hesitation is coming from what appears to be Coach Mack's hesitation. In the end, however, Myles has his degree and has been a good player, a good teammate, and up until last summer, a good kid who made a mistake. Good thing is, Myles is well liked by his teammates and so I anticipate that he will assimilate and work hard to help X win games.

[scoscox]

I didn't suggest the team would be worse, I merely asked if the chemistry would be affected. All teams work through the OOC schedule to set a rotation, build team confidence in practice and hope that it translates positively in conference games, conference tournaments and the NCAA tournament. Introducing a new element into that process has its risks. And, the risk is different here because Myles is not merely injured and around the team so other players see and interact with him. No, he was involved in the criminal justice system, apart from his team and in a higher stress situation than a player who's merely injured. When injured players return, they very likely do so with the full support of everyone on the team and coaching staff. In Myles' case, there may be differing opinions among players and coaches as to him being reinstated. If so, that places stress on that rotation and chemistry I mentioned earlier. If Myles' circumstances were easy and tidy, I suspect that he'd have been playing by now. The fact that he isn't makes me wonder if there are mitigating and complicating circumstances that have him in a situation where he hasn't already been reinstated. If so, it is those mitigating and complicating circumstances that have me concerned that his return may impact chemistry. So, nothing personal against Myles, but rather a pragmatic thought process of how one may view the situation.

Would Xavier potentially be a better basketball team with Myles on the court? Based on my thoughts above, one would have to say, depends.

No, I would still say he definitely makes the team better. None of that gives me pause. He's a very good basketball player. He will make the team better. He's not being asked to come in and take over the offense. They're going to ask him to come in, hit open threes, handle the ball, distribute and not get burned on defense. Ed, JP, Trevon will still be getting theirs. not to mention I'm not enamored enough of our current chemistry. In my opinion, a player like Myles improves it. Every player on the team will gladly welcome a guy that hits open threes, drives and handles well and hits 90% from the line.

Also, I don't get the impression his circumstances weren't clean and tidy. I think X has just been holding him out. Personally, I think they've gone overboard on his punishment and the cloud of secrecy I think is also overkill.

[XUFan09]

Myles was my favorite player from last year's team. James Farr, a close second. I would love nothing more than for Myles to come back, life in order, join the team and make a deep run into March. My hesitation is coming from what appears to be Coach Mack's hesitation. In the end, however, Myles has his degree and has been a good player, a good teammate, and up until last summer, a good kid who made a mistake. Good thing is, Myles is well liked by his teammates and so I anticipate that he will assimilate and work hard to help X win games.
Mack's hesitation might not be motivated by the same reasons as yours. I would not assume that.

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[XUFan09]

Also, I don't get the impression his circumstances weren't clean and tidy. I think X has just been holding him out. Personally, I think they've gone overboard on his punishment and the cloud of secrecy I think is also overkill.

If you're going off the public record and a few insider snippets here and there, it's basically impossible to judge whether his punishment was appropriate. There is other stuff that happened about which the staff is being very secretive, whether for Myles' sake, the girl's sake, or their own.

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[spursy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOxtgZmh_Dq/?taken-by=xaviermbb

[waggy]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOxtgZmh_Dq/?taken-by=xaviermbb


I'm not sure what that is, but it appears it go from stupid to bad and back again.

[scoscox]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BOxtgZmh_Dq/?taken-by=xaviermbb

Throwbacks I guess. I love the running musketeer logo.

[X-band '01]

Running Man throwbacks coming back in February?

[spursy]

Throwbacks I guess. I love the running musketeer logo.

I hope so. Would love that.

That is a better scenario than their account taking a page from Myles' playbook and making vague statements about his return on social media.

[Juice]

I hope so. Would love that.

That is a better scenario than their account taking a page from Myles' playbook and making vague statements about his return on social media.

Yeah there is no way they posted that video on Instagram/Twitter/Facebook in relation to Myles. That would be tone deaf and stupid considering why Myles was suspended. That's all uniform related.

[Backyard Champ]

Relax Juice, I think he was making a joke.

[Juice]

Relax Juice, I think he was making a joke.

I know. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was disagreeing or thought it was the end of the world. I was just tacking more on to what he said.

My bad.

[spursy]

I know. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was disagreeing or thought it was the end of the world. I was just tacking more on to what he said.

My bad.

No I agree with you. I was both being an idiot and making a joke. Mercurio has tweeted that it is indeed uniform related. So let's get this thread back to Myles speculation.

[Masterofreality]

Myles.......soon.

[vee4xu]

Max hesitation might not be motivated by the same reasons as yours. I would not assume that.

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Let me be clear. I have no personal motivation for my hesitation, other than Coach Mack seems to be deliberating over this issue longer than most thought. So, my hesitation is simply a reaction to Coach Mack taking his time versus any personal motivation. I have no facts, nor any opinion to have any personal motivation for hesitation. Just an opinion and observation based on Coach Mack's process. Mine was a question of assimilation and team chemistry whenever he does return. That is still going to be something to watch because the team's nearing the season's halfway mark. It doesn't matter the reason, team's have to adjust when players come back this late into the season. I'm not worried and am making no judgements, but merely curious and hopeful that things work well on the court if and when Myles returns. It's things like, does Myles start? If so, does that mean Macura comes in off the bench? How does Myles feel if he doesn't start? What does it mean for Bernard's situation? Does this impact Gooden's progress? The impact of all of these has consequences. The guys mentioned, other than Myles, have worked hard since summer and are entrenched in roles. It's human nature to have an emotional impact. Maybe it'll be nothing, or maybe it'll be something. This is the essence of my initial thoughts on Myles returning.

[Xaveriana]

Myles.......soon.

MOR, you hear something through your extensive network?

[Muskie]

I would say within the next week we will know more.

[XUFan09]

Let me be clear. I have no personal motivation for my hesitation, other than Coach Mack seems to be deliberating over this issue longer than most thought. So, my hesitation is simply a reaction to Coach Mack taking his time versus any personal motivation. I have no facts, nor any opinion to have any personal motivation for hesitation. Just an opinion and observation based on Coach Mack's process. Mine was a question of assimilation and team chemistry whenever he does return. That is still going to be something to watch because the team's nearing the season's halfway mark. It doesn't matter the reason, team's have to adjust when players come back this late into the season. I'm not worried and am making no judgements, but merely curious and hopeful that things work well on the court if and when Myles returns. It's things like, does Myles start? If so, does that mean Macura comes in off the bench? How does Myles feel if he doesn't start? What does it mean for Bernard's situation? Does this impact Gooden's progress? The impact of all of these has consequences. The guys mentioned, other than Myles, have worked hard since summer and are entrenched in roles. It's human nature to have an emotional impact. Maybe it'll be nothing, or maybe it'll be something. This is the essence of my initial thoughts on Myles returning.

Assuming continued compliance with what he needs to do, Myles' suspension end-date has been set and has been known to the relevant people for awhile. We just haven't known what it is, which is why you see the rumors swirling. Mack isn't deliberating; there's no additional process concerning whether Myles returns. Mack is just not letting anyone know what the timeline is. I understand your reasoning concerning chemistry concerns. I just disagree with your inclusion of Mack in that discussion, as you have made some incorrect interpretations.

[vee4xu]

Like juries, one deliberates until one decides and expresses the decision. Coach Mack hasn't expressed a decision, so to me he is still deliberating until he actually does so. Don't really understand where that's inaccurate, but in your mind it is, evidently, so be it.

[mirabilelectu]

Assuming continued compliance with what he needs to do, Myles' suspension end-date has been set and has been known to the relevant people for awhile. We just haven't known what it is, which is why you see the rumors swirling. Mack isn't deliberating; there's no additional process concerning whether Myles returns. Mack is just not letting anyone know what the timeline is. I understand your reasoning concerning chemistry concerns. I just disagree with your inclusion of Mack in that discussion, as you have made some incorrect interpretations.

I assume you have some intimate (at least more than I) knowledge of this situation, at least with process, so I guess I'm confused how you can assert VEE has made incorrect interpretations. Mack hasn't publicized the return date, and that begs the question "why". I see what VEE is getting at and I have thought the same since Mack issued the statement about withholding Myles's suspension terminus; either Mack doesn't know, or Mack thinks that there is a chance that something will impede Myles's return. There is no other reason to refrain from publicizing the date.

[Juice]

I assume you have some intimate (at least more than I) knowledge of this situation, at least with process, so I guess I'm confused how you can assert VEE has made incorrect interpretations. Mack hasn't publicized the return date, and that begs the question "why". I see what VEE is getting at and I have thought the same since Mack issued the statement about withholding Myles's suspension terminus; either Mack doesn't know, or Mack thinks that there is a chance that something will impede Myles's return. There is no other reason to refrain from publicizing the date.


Xavier men’s basketball coach Chris Mack knows when guard Myles Davis will return from his indefinite suspension, but he's not about to tip his hand.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/xavier-coach-chris-mack-says-he-knows-when-myles-davis-will-return-but-he-isnt-saying

[mirabilelectu]

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/xavier-coach-chris-mack-says-he-knows-when-myles-davis-will-return-but-he-isnt-saying

I'm aware of his stated reason, but it's not a legitimate reason in this environment. There's a reason that this situation seems so odd, it's because it's exceedingly rare for a college basketball coach to claim that he won't disclose a return date in order to gain an advantage. All of the coaches in this league are familiar with Myles. Not to mention Mack would have to keep Myles's return to practice off of the internet, so unless he is going to stick Myles into the line-up without practicing, most people will know and he would forfeit the advantage.

[XUFan09]

Like juries, one deliberates until one decides and expresses the decision. Coach Mack hasn't expressed a decision, so to me he is still deliberating until he actually does so. Don't really understand where that's inaccurate, but in your mind it is, evidently, so be it.


I assume you have some intimate (at least more than I) knowledge of this situation, at least with process, so I guess I'm confused how you can assert VEE has made incorrect interpretations. Mack hasn't publicized the return date, and that begs the question "why". I see what VEE is getting at and I have thought the same since Mack issued the statement about withholding Myles's suspension terminus; either Mack doesn't know, or Mack thinks that there is a chance that something will impede Myles's return. There is no other reason to refrain from publicizing the date.

Vee's interpretation is incorrect because it's factually wrong. It's factually wrong, because Vee is operating with incomplete information (which is by itself understandable) and making some assumptions that are wrong. The issue is those assumptions (e.g. "so to me he is still deliberating").

I'll run through the logic here. It's pretty straightforward:

- Mack is not still deliberating. There's been an undisclosed date established for Myles' return, assuming he doesn't screw up again. Just because we don't know what the set date is or what the conditions are, that doesn't mean that Mack is still deciding. The absence of knowledge on our part does not logically follow to uncertainty on Mack's part.
- Vee has said that he thinks Mack is still deliberating.
Conclusion: Since Mack is not deliberating but Vee posits he is, Vee has a wrong interpretation.

Important note: The fact that there are conditions for Myles' return (i.e. don't screw up again) does not mean that Mack is still deliberating. It's quite binary; either Myles follows guidelines set for him or he does not. If he does, he will be back at practice at a specific time. If he does not, he might not ever be back on the team. For a parenting equivalent, if you tell your kid that he will be in timeout if he hits the dog again, what more deliberation do you need to make? Either he hits the dog again or he doesn't and the respective consequences naturally follow. The same logic applies here, as Mack and Co. have already established the rules and consequences. It's essentially out of his hands, and the only uncertainty remaining is Myles' own actions.

By the way, Mack could also have plenty of reasons for not telling us the date, from privacy for Myles to uncertainty for opposing coaches. Concerning the latter, I know people say that it doesn't have a big impact on opponents, but Mack has pretty regularly held back info on players' returns for those little advantages. Whether someone thinks that it's worthwhile or not doesn't really change the fact that Mack clearly finds it beneficial.

[XUFan09]

I'm aware of his stated reason, but it's not a legitimate reason in this environment. There's a reason that this situation seems so odd, it's because it's exceedingly rare for a college basketball coach to claim that he won't disclose a return date in order to gain an advantage. All of the coaches in this league are familiar with Myles. Not to mention Mack would have to keep Myles's return to practice off of the internet, so unless he is going to stick Myles into the line-up without practicing, most people will know and he would forfeit the advantage.

Yet Mack does this frequently. Coaches are a paranoid, obsessive bunch. You need to view this whole situation with that fact in mind. Also, Mack specifically likes not revealing info that he doesn't have to.

[mirabilelectu]

Yet Mack does this frequently. Coaches are a paranoid, obsessive bunch. You need to view this whole situation with that fact in mind. Also, Mack specifically likes not revealing info that he doesn't have to.

Your points regarding VEE are well taken, I guess I conflated his position with mine (which is that Mack is not deliberating, but that there is either a terminus set and he is reserving it just in case Myles compromises his own return, or that Mack is waiting to hear from higher-ups when Myles can return).

I guess I'm just more skeptical than you are; it's one thing for Mack to withhold his decision about an injured player in order to affect his opponent's game plan. But to claim that he is withholding it to gain an advantage, despite the likelihood that it will be made public, is a tenuous claim at best.

[xukeith]

I'm not sure what that is, but it appears it go from stupid to bad and back again.

100% agree. Tacky and sad looking. French mascot running away from a fight.

[xukeith]

Myles will be back in February, my sources tell me.

[bleedXblue]

Myles will be back in February, my sources tell me.

LOL.....that is damn funny

[XAVI3R23]

For what's its worth from someone who visits this site daily, but rarely ever post; I have heard next Monday before the Villanova game is a day to look at for his return.

[xudash]

For what's its worth from someone who visits this site daily, but rarely ever post; I have heard next Monday before the Villanova game is a day to look at for his return.

Classes start on the 9th, so that makes sense.

[xudash]

Classes start on the 9th, so that makes sense.

And please allow me to agree with myself so that we can knock this thread to 300 responses.

[XUFan09]

Your points regarding VEE are well taken, I guess I conflated his position with mine (which is that Mack is not deliberating, but that there is either a terminus set and he is reserving it just in case Myles compromises his own return, or that Mack is waiting to hear from higher-ups when Myles can return).

I guess I'm just more skeptical than you are; it's one thing for Mack to withhold his decision about an injured player in order to affect his opponent's game plan. But to claim that he is withholding it to gain an advantage, despite the likelihood that it will be made public, is a tenuous claim at best.

I do think it's a tenuous claim, but Mack has proven to be obsessive, so I'm not ruling it out. I personally believe that the real reason is the part of your post I bolded above. Either Mack doesn't want the public to know in case Myles screws up or he hasn't even told Myles the date. Or both. He probably told Myles the date he can come back if he follows the rules, but I wouldn't put it past Mack to hold the indefinite nature of the suspension over Myles' head to make sure he stays disciplined.

[bleedXblue]

The grassy knoll, Cuban infidels and a second shooter are all soon to become part of the conspiracy. Holy Batman make it stop!

[D-West & PO-Z]

If Myles returns on the first day of the second semester I think (think key word) we have our answer for the future (hopefully doesnt happen again) on when someone who is not enrolled in the first semester is allowed to return.

Now I am not saying he wouldnt have been suspended until that date anyway but that would be too weird of a coincidence. It may have been Mack/Xavier telling Myles they werent sure she would be allowed back on team and they told him not to enroll first semester while they thought about it and they then decided he could come back and their hands were then tied with that date. Maybe they told him his punishment would be until the new year and they advised him to go home and get his legal affairs in order? I realize I am just throwing a bunch of crap out there but if he returns first day of new semester I would be surprised to learn that he would have been eligible any earlier based on the NCAA rules.

[Muskeagle]

The grassy knoll, Cuban infidels and a second shooter are all soon to become part of the conspiracy. Holy Batman make it stop!

I don't think Myles actually played with the team last year. He just ran around in front of a blue screen and shot the ball occasionally.

[paulxu]

That certainly explains the Air-5's.

[vee4xu]

I assume you have some intimate (at least more than I) knowledge of this situation, at least with process, so I guess I'm confused how you can assert VEE has made incorrect interpretations. Mack hasn't publicized the return date, and that begs the question "why". I see what VEE is getting at and I have thought the same since Mack issued the statement about withholding Myles's suspension terminus; either Mack doesn't know, or Mack thinks that there is a chance that something will impede Myles's return. There is no other reason to refrain from publicizing the date.

Thanks Mira, you get it. I've been on this and other Xavier chat boards since Christ walked on water. One thing that still amuses the hell out of me are people who think they know what I think better than myself. That's what's happening with 09. He's way over thinking this thing and cannot be more wrong about my thoughts on this topic. I have no inside info, don't purport to having any inside info and made some innocuous comments about the situation based solely on my opinion. Yet, others want to parse words and read minds. Trust me 09, you can't be further from being right about what I'm thinking here, but I appreciate the attempt to psychoanalyze me. Now, I'm done on this topic.

[xu82]

Thanks Mira, you get it. I've been on this and other Xavier chat boards since Christ walked on water. One thing that still amuses the hell out of me are people who think they know what I think better than myself. That's what's happening with 09. He's way over thinking this thing and cannot be more wrong about my thoughts on this topic. I have no inside info, don't purport to having any inside info and made some innocuous comments about the situation based solely on my opinion. Yet, others want to parse words and read minds. Trust me 09, you can't be further from being right about what I'm thinking here, but I appreciate the attempt to psychoanalyze me. Now, I'm done on this topic.

I wish we could all be done with it......

[Masterofreality]

MOR, you hear something through your extensive network?

Yes, but sworn to secrecy. Soon. Wish I could say more.

Myles is not done in a Xavier uniform .

[XUFan09]

Thanks Mira, you get it. I've been on this and other Xavier chat boards since Christ walked on water. One thing that still amuses the hell out of me are people who think they know what I think better than myself. That's what's happening with 09. He's way over thinking this thing and cannot be more wrong about my thoughts on this topic. I have no inside info, don't purport to having any inside info and made some innocuous comments about the situation based solely on my opinion. Yet, others want to parse words and read minds. Trust me 09, you can't be further from being right about what I'm thinking here, but I appreciate the attempt to psychoanalyze me. Now, I'm done on this topic.

Psychoanalyze? I did nothing but take the words you explicitly put in your posts, and then I followed them to their logical conclusions. Maybe we have different definitions for "deliberate." According to the Oxford Dictionary, it means, "engage in long and careful consideration." If that's not what you intended, you should have used a different word. If that is what you meant, then you're wrong about Mack, plain and simple.

I'm in no way trying to get in your head. I am taking statements you made and then employing logic:

Premise A + Premise B --> Conclusion.

If you don't like the conclusion reached, then (a) reevaluate your premises, (b) explain what unspoken premise you are also working with, or (c) point out where I made a logical break. Words have meaning and premises naturally follow to certain conclusions. That's the foundation of communication and logic; essentially, it's the basis of argument.

[bleedXblue]

Yes, but sworn to secrecy. Soon. Wish I could say more.

Myles is not done in a Xavier uniform .


Mack said "soon" 3-4 weeks ago on his Thursday night show.

[Masterofreality]

Mack said "soon" 3-4 weeks ago on his Thursday night show.

MUCH sooner than that.

[bleedXblue]

Might just coincide with classes resuming.......:)

[XUFan09]

Might just coincide with classes resuming.......:)
Hehe, imagine that...

I'm still not believing he's back until I actually see him go the scoring table to sub in to a game.

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[TUclutch]

If Myles returns on the first day of the second semester I think (think key word) we have our answer for the future (hopefully doesnt happen again) on when someone who is not enrolled in the first semester is allowed to return.

Now I am not saying he wouldnt have been suspended until that date anyway but that would be too weird of a coincidence. It may have been Mack/Xavier telling Myles they werent sure she would be allowed back on team and they told him not to enroll first semester while they thought about it and they then decided he could come back and their hands were then tied with that date. Maybe they told him his punishment would be until the new year and they advised him to go home and get his legal affairs in order? I realize I am just throwing a bunch of crap out there but if he returns first day of new semester I would be surprised to learn that he would have been eligible any earlier based on the NCAA rules.

All one really has to do is look deep into the NCAA manual. Myles isn't eligible until first day of class of the second semester. Ive posted this with close to 100% confidence and several others have mentioned it as well. This doesn't mean he will be back then, just that this is the earliest he is allowed

[D-West & PO-Z]

All one really has to do is look deep into the NCAA manual. Myles isn't eligible until first day of class of the second semester. Ive posted this with close to 100% confidence and several others have mentioned it as well. This doesn't mean he will be back then, just that this is the earliest he is allowed

I havent seen anyone post definitively that was true. Even now you arent saying it with 100% confidence. That would be my guess as well at this point but havent seen anything definitive.

[nuts4xu]

I have looked deep into my sources, which include Coach Mack (no BS, honest to God)...all of which have confirmed the following... Myles Davis WILL be back. He will be back, when he's back, he will have an impact....and that is 100% science. To date, no one has disputed this and I'm 100% in my sources. He will play again in a Xavier uniform, and when he does, he will play again in the near future.

Mark my words...he will be back soon. Oh yes, he will be back.

Giggity.

[xubrew]

A basketball player (or any winter sports player) who takes a missed semester in the fall can play once the team's certification is complete. This generally happens the day grades post. You don't have to wait until classes begin. I am quite certain of this. I don't know what the specifics are here, but if it is simply a case of a missed term then as far as the NCAA is concerned hie can play as soon as the team's certification is complete for the term that was missed.

[LA Muskie]

All one really has to do is look deep into the NCAA manual. Myles isn't eligible until first day of class of the second semester. Ive posted this with close to 100% confidence and several others have mentioned it as well. This doesn't mean he will be back then, just that this is the earliest he is allowed

I've done a deep dive into the NCAA Manual myself, and here is what it says (relevant provision highlighted):


14.2.2.1.2 Eligibility Between Terms. To be eligible for competition that takes place between terms, the student-athlete shall:

(a) Have been registered for the required minimum full-time load (see Bylaw 14.2.2) at the conclusion of the term immediately preceding the date of competition, if the student is continuing enrollment [NB: This provision is clearly inapplicable as Myles is not "continuing enrollment"];

or

(b) Be accepted for enrollment as a regular full-time student for the regular term immediately following if the student is either continuing enrollment or beginning enrollment (see Bylaw 14.4.3.4).

Because he was not enrolled for the first semester, Myles is treated as new enrollee. [Bylaw 14.2.1.4] To be eligible during the semester break, Myles simply had to be "accepted [by Xavier University] for enrollment as a regular full-time student."

This isn't being driven by the NCAA.

[xubrew]

I've done a deep dive into the NCAA Manual myself, and here is what it says (relevant provision highlighted):


14.2.2.1.2 Eligibility Between Terms. To be eligible for competition that takes place between terms, the student-athlete shall:

(a) Have been registered for the required minimum full-time load (see Bylaw 14.2.2) at the conclusion of the term immediately preceding the date of competition, if the student is continuing enrollment [NB: This provision is clearly inapplicable as Myles is not "continuing enrollment"];

or

(b) Be accepted for enrollment as a regular full-time student for the regular term immediately following if the student is either continuing enrollment or beginning enrollment (see Bylaw 14.4.3.4).

Because he was not enrolled for the first semester, Myles is treated as new enrollee. [Bylaw 14.2.1.4] To be eligible during the semester break, Myles simply had to be "accepted [by Xavier University] for enrollment as a regular full-time student."

This isn't being driven by the NCAA.

There is a specific rule for missed terms somewhere in there. Don't ask me the bylaw number, but it's in there.

You get one.

If you use it, you get 9 hours toward 9 hrs toward the 18 hr rule.

You essentially become a midyear when it comes to when your being certified for progress toward degree.

Your eligible to play once the certification has occurred for the semester that you missed, and you're enrolled full time for the following semester as pointed out above.

[LA Muskie]

A basketball player (or any winter sports player) who takes a missed semester in the fall can play once the team's certification is complete. This generally happens the day grades post. You don't have to wait until classes begin. I am quite certain of this. I don't know what the specifics are here, but if it is simply a case of a missed term then as far as the NCAA is concerned hie can play as soon as the team's certification is complete for the term that was missed.
Correct:

14.4.3.4 Change in Eligibility Status. If a student-athlete’s academic eligibility changes at the end of a quarter or semester, the student-athlete shall become eligible or ineligible to compete on the date his or her eligibility officially is certified by the appropriate institutional authority. In a case in which the student becomes eligible at the end of the term, the earliest date on which the student can become eligible to compete is the day after the date of the last scheduled examination listed in the institution’s official calendar for the term that is ending. In a case in which the student becomes ineligible, the ineligibility shall become effective not later than the first day of classes of the following semester or quarter. In any case, if the student-athlete is academically eligible to compete at the time of the student-athlete’s or the institution’s first participation in an NCAA championship, he or she shall remain eligible for the remainder of the championship.

[LA Muskie]

There is a specific rule for missed terms somewhere in there. Don't ask me the bylaw number, but it's in there.

You get one.

If you use it, you get 9 hours toward 9 hrs toward the 18 hr rule.

You essentially become a midyear when it comes to when your being certified for progress toward degree.

Your eligible to play once the certification has occurred for the semester that you missed, and you're enrolled full time for the following semester as pointed out above.

This too is correct, although I'm not convinced that it applies here as it's simply an exception to the progress-toward-degree rule. But either way, the result is the same. Myles would not need to wait until the start of 2nd semester classes under NCAA Rules.

14.4.3.6 Exceptions to Progress-Toward-Degree Rule.

(a) Missed Term. One time during a student-athlete’s entire period of collegiate enrollment, the provisions of Bylaw 14.4.3.1-(b) may be prorated at nine hours per term of actual attendance if the student-athlete misses a complete term or consecutive terms during an academic year, subject to the following conditions:

(1) The student-athlete engaged in no outside competition in the sport during the academic term or terms in which the student was not in attendance; and

(2) At the time of certification, the student has fulfilled the progress-toward-degree requirements (per Bylaw 14.4.3.1) for the terms in which the student was in attendance.

(3) A transfer student from a two-year college is not eligible to use this one-time exception during the first academic year of residence at the certifying institution in order to maintain eligibility during the second year in residence. Hours earned while enrolled as a part-time student during the “missed term” may be used to satisfy the 24/36 credit-hours [see Bylaw 14.4.3.1-(a)], percentage-of-degree (see Bylaw 14.4.3.2) and grade-point average requirements (see Bylaw 14.4.3.3).

[XUMIOH12]

yes, as far as NCAA is concerned, he is eligible to play before the 2nd semester starts.

I just want this to be over with. Such a bizarre scenario.

[BMoreX]

Just give me some technical air high-fives by February.

[paulxu]

Just give me some technical air high-fives by February.

OK.

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[X-ceptional]

At this point, will it be announced at all? Is there some rule that it has to be announced in some official way (a la: all of the NFL roster designation rules)? Or will Myles just show up on the sideline one day, and that's it... what a weird situation.

[X-band '01]

At this point, will it be announced at all? Is there some rule that it has to be announced in some official way (a la: all of the NFL roster designation rules)? Or will Myles just show up on the sideline one day, and that's it... what a weird situation.

Or just show up at practice one day.

[X-ceptional]

Or just show up at practice one day.

PRACTICE?! You talkin about practice?



#FREEMYLES

[Fireball]

I've been pretty much assuming due to the nature of the suspension that are would not be an announcement or fanfare or anything. I'll bet he'll most likely just be at practice one day. And then this thread can end :)

[nuts4xu]

He won't play in a game before he can participate in an official practice. Myles will show up at practice one day, and it will be tweeted out by Shannon Russell. Twitter announces everything in this day and age, that will be the first media report about the subject.

[sgarcia]

He's back tomorrow.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Here's a link to video of the official statement:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/817858904537169921

[Caveat]

Good for the team. Better for him. Happy that he's worked his way back.

[XUGRAD80]

Finally! Welcome back Myles Davis!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Good day!

[XUFan09]

Here's a link to video of the official statement:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/817858904537169921

I remember some people ridiculed the idea that Myles would have to earn his minutes in practice, as if his past seasons' performance make up for not being with the team so far this season (especially when his absence is his own fault).

"His role on our basketball team will be no different from the other 14 guys in our locker room. He's gonna earn everything he gets from this point forward, so he's got a lot of work to do."

I'm confident that Myles will earn those minutes, but he's not going to have much of an opportunity to do so prior to Villanova. They have one practice and one actual runthrough before Tuesday.

[Smooth]

Here's a link to video of the official statement:

https://twitter.com/XavierMBB/status/817858904537169921

Notice how Mack neatly sidestepped the "... or give me death" side of the issue.

[D-West & PO-Z]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

[Juice]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

I say under. About 3-4 per half.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Finally, the long-awaited good news. Welcome back Myles. Go X!

[bjf123]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

That game's on Tuesday, so he'll have had one or two practices. I'll say way under, as in zero, unless we're up 20 or down 20 with a minute to go. Then, he might get a minute.


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[XUhockey99]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

I'm guessing slightly over because Xavier will need his FT shooting at the end of the game to hold onto the lead... right???

[D-West & PO-Z]

I say under. About 3-4 per half.

Yeah if its over I dont think it will be by much. I could see around 8 mins as well.

[XUGRAD80]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

Depends so much on how well the other players are playing and foul trouble from the starters. But I would think he will get a few minutes in the 1st half and depending on how well he plays, or others play, he may get the same in the 2nd half. Have to think that if the game is close and Nova is fouling the X players at the end of the game his chances of playing more minutes are better. He is an excellent free throw shooter and you don't need conditioning to be able to do that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That game's on Tuesday, so he'll have had one or two practices. I'll say way under, as in zero, unless we're up 20 or down 20 with a minute to go. Then, he might get a minute.


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You think he will get 0??? You realize they lifted the suspension right?

Do u think this because conditioning? Or bc Mack doesnt think hes earned it yet?

[BMoreX]

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[RetireFiftyTu]

Best part of Myles being back: he has the chance to be the first Xavier player to go 4-0 against UC.
Second best part: https://vine.co/v/O9HE1WVxXZb

[LA Muskie]

O/U 10 mins played vs Nova?

I say over.

Under.


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[LA Muskie]

It'd be nearly impossible for Mack to stay true to his word at the presser today and give him any meaningful time at Nova.

Also, since Myles already knew all that, I'm pretty sure it was a message to fans like those here who think he's going to step right back in as if he was never gone.


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[paulxu]

Best part of Myles being back: he has the chance to be the first Xavier player to go 4-0 against UC.
Second best part: https://vine.co/v/O9HE1WVxXZb

Air 5's! I love it.

[bjf123]

You think he will get 0??? You realize they lifted the suspension right?

Do u think this because conditioning? Or bc Mack doesnt think hes earned it yet?

Yes, yes, yes, and yes.


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[XUFan09]

Under.



It'd be nearly impossible for Mack to stay true to his word at the presser today and give him any meaningful time at Nova.

Also, since Myles already knew all that, I'm pretty sure it was a message to fans like those here who think he's going to step right back in as if he was never gone.



Yes, yes, yes, and yes.


I agree with all of this. I would actually set the O/U at 5 rather than 10. And I'd still take the under but at least less confidently.

[X-ceptional]

I think he'll play more minutes against Nova than he's played in all of X's games this season combined.

#FreeMyles
#MylesFreed

[Harryfe]

I heard from some one "high up" that has seen him practice at X and says he appears to be out of shape. Hearing all of this with very little practice half way into the season makes me wonder if he will contribute very much the rest of the season.

[xukeith]

Under.


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Under. He has not practiced one day with team 95. He is not in practice shape. He does not know the plays. I say give him until February to crack 10-15 minutes.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It'd be nearly impossible for Mack to stay true to his word at the presser today and give him any meaningful time at Nova.

Also, since Myles already knew all that, I'm pretty sure it was a message to fans like those here who think he's going to step right back in as if he was never gone.


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I dont think he will step back in as if he was never gone, if he did that he'd play 30 mins. It may be under 10 but I cant believe it will be 0. The questions is would Myles help us win against Nova, I think the answer would be yes. I think that answer would get him at least some minutes, but I could be wrong, maybe he wont play.

[D-West & PO-Z]

O/U 10 may have been ambitious since he will only get one practice in before the game. I'd be shocked if he didnt play at all. IF none of this happened Myles would have been a top 3 player on our team. With this happening and being somewhat out of shape and not practicing obviously he isnt that right away but with all those circumstances I cant believe he isnt still top 8 right away. But if Mack truly means he has to earn his playing time in practice maybe that cant be done in one practice and maybe he doesnt play but I find it hard to believe he wont play at all. He isnt going to get into better game shape sitting on the bench. I would think he would be able to contribute in some capacity to beating Nova Tuesday. Even if it is just FT shooting situations like others have stated. Again +/- 10 may have been to high. I wouldnt be shocked to see anywhere from 5-12 though. I would be shocked to see 0. We get to see Tuesday though. Glad he is back.

[LA Muskie]

I dont think he will step back in as if he was never gone, if he did that he'd play 30 mins. It may be under 10 but I cant believe it will be 0. The questions is would Myles help us win against Nova, I think the answer would be yes. I think that answer would get him at least some minutes, but I could be wrong, maybe he wont play.
I don't think it will be 0 minutes. I think he will get in the game. But I don't think he will play enough minutes to make a difference. If it was anyone but 'Nova I would have guessed 6-8 minutes. It being Nova, I suspect it will be closer to 3-5 minutes and, if it's really close throughout, could be as little as 0. It's just a really tough 1st game back.

[Masterofreality]

At this point we are getting Myles ready for February and March when it REALLY counts.

Would guess gradually increasing minutes- to the decline of minutes of Quentin.

Q has some stepping up to do.

[Cheesehead]

Myles was worked out recently by a former player and found not to be in game shape. I don't see him getting significant minutes Tuesday. This will be a gradual process and hopefully we make a long run in March with him contributing.

[muskienick]

I heard from some one "high up" that has seen him practice at X and says he appears to be out of shape. Hearing all of this with very little practice half way into the season makes me wonder if he will contribute very much the rest of the season.

Harry always has a rosy take on everything Xavier. He has supposedly not yet practiced with the team, so how accurate could anyone's second-hand observations be about how Myles looked while "practicing"? What was he doing on the floor? With whom was he practicing, if anyone? Where did this "practice" supposedly take place? What is your definition of "high up"? And in what capacity is that person "high up"?

[Harryfe]

It has been reported from another source that he practiced with a former player who said he was "not game ready". I did not say he practiced with the team only "at X". Don't think it is appropriate to NAME the source. He is not with the athletic department but according to him witnessed this "practice". Do you really expect him to be in game shape?

[bleedXblue]

It has been reported from another source that he practiced with a former player who said he was "not game ready". I did not say he practiced with the team only "at X". Don't think it is appropriate to NAME the source. He is not with the athletic department but according to him witnessed this "practice". Do you really expect him to be in game shape?

Geesh. Give the kid a break. Yeah, so he's not "game" shape ready. Give him a couple of weeks of practice with the team before you write him off.

To back up several other posters, he will make his major contributions in Feb and March when it really counts

[Harryfe]

Geesh. Give the kid a break. Yeah, so he's not "game" shape ready. Give him a couple of weeks of practice with the team before you write him off.

To back up several other posters, he will make his major contributions in Feb and March when it really counts

As stated above I do not expect him to be in game shape. It appears to have taken Kaiser a month to be game ready. I do object to calling a 23 year old a "kid". Although maybe he is compared to some of us.

[bleedXblue]

As stated above I do not expect him to be in game shape. It appears to have taken Kaiser a month to be game ready. I do object to calling a 23 year old a "kid". Although maybe he is compared to some of us.

Its January, 8th..........3-4 weeks and we still have 1/2 of our league schedule left and 2 tourney's to play in.

[vee4xu]

Snipe better give Myles/Mack/Xavier something pretty special for sparing his life.

[94GRAD]

Harry always has a rosy take on everything Xavier. He has supposedly not yet practiced with the team, so how accurate could anyone's second-hand observations be about how Myles looked while "practicing"? What was he doing on the floor? With whom was he practicing, if anyone? Where did this "practice" supposedly take place? What is your definition of "high up"? And in what capacity is that person "high up"?

Brad worked him out last week at Withrow. He was not in game shape and very rusty. I highly doubt he plays a sinlge minute against Villanova.

[xu82]

Snipe better give Myles/Mack/Xavier something pretty special for sparing his life.

Well, that may still be up in the air.....right?

Watch your back Snipe, and maybe get a food tester.


EDIT: NM, how was I the last to know? Now it makes sense.

[paulxu]

Brad worked him out last week at Withrow. He was not in shape and he was very rusty. I highly doubt he plays a sinlge minute against Villanova.

I'm very glad that Myles' situation has been resolved, that he is returning to the team, and has a great chance to contribute as well as keep Sr. Rose's record intact. I hope he is able to live up to the comments he made noted earlier in this thread.

But I wonder, while he was away for a semester, why he couldn't have found the means to stay in shape? Would seem you could work out somewhere, with someone, that wouldn't allow you to get "out of shape." Oh well.

[flagship]

I'm very glad that Myles' situation has been resolved, that he is returning to the team, and has a great chance to contribute as well as keep Sr. Rose's record intact. I hope he is able to live up to the comments he made noted earlier in this thread.

But I wonder, while he was away for a semester, why he couldn't have found the means to stay in shape? Would seem you could work out somewhere, with someone, that wouldn't allow you to get "out of shape." Oh well.

I think there is a difference between being "in shape" and being in "D1 Big East Basketball shape." I would doubt even playing basketball with other people that he would be at even half the level it would take to compete in the Big East.

[XUFan09]

It's much easier to maximize your conditioning level with coaches pushing you and high-D1 players competing with you than it is to do so by yourself or with a friend.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

I am realizing that my +/- 10 mins was most likely way off. I was hoping Myles would have stayed in pretty good shape, I know it wasnt going to be great shape and he wouldnt go back to playing regular mins immediately (that would have been 25+ mins) but was still too ambitious with the +/- 10 I guess. I will be very surprised if he plays 0 mins though, I would think stealing him a few mins here and there would be good and not have him be a liability on D if he fatigues quickly. He can still contribute as a spot up shooter I would think and at the FT line. Playing in practice and games will be the best way for him to get his legs back I would think. Anyway glad he is back and he will no doubt help take this team to the next level eventually whenever that might be.

[xu82]

I am realizing that my +/- 10 mins was most likely way off. I was hoping Myles would have stayed in pretty good shape, I know it wasnt going to be great shape and he wouldnt go back to playing regular mins immediately (that would have been 25+ mins) but was still too ambitious with the +/- 10 I guess. I will be very surprised if he plays 0 mins though, I would think stealing him a few mins here and there would be good and not have him be a liability on D if he fatigues quickly. He can still contribute as a spot up shooter I would think and at the FT line. Playing in practice and games will be the best way for him to get his legs back I would think. Anyway glad he is back and he will no doubt help take this team to the next level eventually whenever that might be.

Nice option to have on the floor late in a close game.

[bleedXblue]

It's much easier to maximize your conditioning level with coaches pushing you and high-D1 players competing with you than it is to do so by yourself or with a friend.

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exactly

[Harryfe]

Still disappointing to have it reported that he is
out of shape while playing one on one with Brad Redford by lay observers. I would guess that he will not play Tuesday unless it is a run a way.
One thing that was reported by Greg Christopher he had to take a short concentrated course recently at NKU and had to pass it. That is the reason no one could say anything until Saturday which is when they found out he passed it. I guess this is why he could not play until Villanova game.

[Muskie]

Still disappointing to have it reported that he is
out of shape while playing one on one with Brad Redford by lay observers. I would guess that he will not play Tuesday unless it is a run a way.
One thing that was reported by Greg Christopher he had to take a short concentrated course recently at NKU and had to pass it. That is the reason no one could say anything until Saturday which is when they found out he passed it. I guess this is why he could not play until Villanova game. The part about the class is correct.

[paulxu]

It's much easier to maximize your conditioning level with coaches pushing you and high-D1 players competing with you than it is to do so by yourself or with a friend.

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Sure, I agree. However, Myles has played a lot of D1 ball. He understands he can't get minutes if he's not in shape. With the window closing on his D1 career, I would have thought he'd have found the impetus to do just that...train by himself or with a friend (or get a trainer).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Still disappointing to have it reported that he is
out of shape while playing one on one with Brad Redford by lay observers. I would guess that he will not play Tuesday unless it is a run a way.
One thing that was reported by Greg Christopher he had to take a short concentrated course recently at NKU and had to pass it. That is the reason no one could say anything until Saturday which is when they found out he passed it. I guess this is why he could not play until Villanova game.


The part about the class is correct.

That is interesting about the class. Makes more sense now why nothing was said in advance because it definitely wasnt the reason given by Mack by not letting opponents know in advance given they did announce in advance of a game or even a practice.

[GenerationX]

That is interesting about the class. Makes more sense now why nothing was said in advance because it definitely wasnt the reason given by Mack by not letting opponents know in advance given they did announce in advance of a game or even a practice.

His reasoning could still be valid for previous games.

[D-West & PO-Z]

His reasoning could still be valid for previous games.

Maybe but I doubt it. Seems like they would have known he was practicing. Plus even now that he is back it doesnt appear he will be playing much initially.

[X-Fan]

I'm very glad that Myles' situation has been resolved, that he is returning to the team, and has a great chance to contribute as well as keep Sr. Rose's record intact. I hope he is able to live up to the comments he made noted earlier in this thread.
I believe Myles completed his undergrad last Spring, so his part of the Sr. Rose streak is safe.

[BMoreX]

Myles looks good. Really good. He very clearly was working out during his suspension. #Xavier

Presented without comment.

EDIT: This was a tweet from Shannon. Hate that whenever you copy a tweet now, it doesn't show the handle/person who wrote it.

[paulxu]

I believe Myles completed his undergrad last Spring, so his part of the Sr. Rose streak is safe.

Excellent!

[paulxu]

Brad worked him out last week at Withrow. He was not in game shape and very rusty.


Myles looks good. Really good. He very clearly was working out during his suspension. #Xavier

One of these things is not like the other.

[BMoreX]

One of these things is not like the other.

Should add that that tweet is from Shannon...No idea why Twitter doesn't copy over the person's handle anymore. Edited my previous post.

[Masterofreality]

One of these things is not like the other.

What? BJ is a better basketball analyst that the team beat writer? :yuk:

[drudy23]

I'm very sure the coaches have been in contact with him every day to ensure he was remaining in shape. He's in shape.

However, there's nothing he can do to mimic an NCAA D1 basketball game. That will take a few weeks, which is fine. He will be in true form by February 1, perhaps sooner.

[Harryfe]

I'm very sure the coaches have been in contact with him every day to ensure he was remaining in shape. He's in shape.

However, there's nothing he can do to mimic an NCAA D1 basketball game. That will take a few weeks, which is fine. He will be in true form by February 1, perhaps sooner.
Not sure the coaches would have been in contact with him every day since he has been out East most of the time and has been suspended from all team activities. I am sure all the time I was at x I reassured my father I was studying all the time and not getting drunk.

[drudy23]

Yeah I'm sure Mack just ignored him for the past 2 months. Because it's 1938 when you couldn't get in contact with anyone besides a telegraph.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Didn't see this article posted:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/russell-myles-davis-returns-and-xavier-lands-new-commit

Thought there were some interesting comments/quotes:

"One of the greatest impacts of Davis’ return was the happiness it brought his teammates. Edmond Sumner, J.P. Macura and Trevon Bluiett were among those who joked with Davis before practice’s start, and their positive vibes seemed to energize the entire team."

"Another big impact was Davis’ ability to lead the Musketeers. He was the vocal leader last season, a role he didn’t take long to reprise. When the team struggled to complete a particular drill and players grew frustrated with restarting it multiple times, Davis urged everyone to stay sharp and finish the exercise correctly."

From Mack:

“Whether he plays one minute or 11 minutes on Tuesday, I couldn’t say. I don’t think his teammates could say. I don’t think Myles cares. The only thing we’re worried about is getting ready for one of the best teams in the country on the road.”

[drudy23]

Didn't see this article posted:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/russell-myles-davis-returns-and-xavier-lands-new-commit

Thought there were some interesting comments/quotes:

"One of the greatest impacts of Davis’ return was the happiness it brought his teammates. Edmond Sumner, J.P. Macura and Trevon Bluiett were among those who joked with Davis before practice’s start, and their positive vibes seemed to energize the entire team."

"Another big impact was Davis’ ability to lead the Musketeers. He was the vocal leader last season, a role he didn’t take long to reprise. When the team struggled to complete a particular drill and players grew frustrated with restarting it multiple times, Davis urged everyone to stay sharp and finish the exercise correctly."

From Mack:

“Whether he plays one minute or 11 minutes on Tuesday, I couldn’t say. I don’t think his teammates could say. I don’t think Myles cares. The only thing we’re worried about is getting ready for one of the best teams in the country on the road.”

Giddy up...he's important to this team. He makes us better.

[spursy]

"One of the greatest impacts of Davis’ return was the happiness it brought his teammates. Edmond Sumner, J.P. Macura and Trevon Bluiett were among those who joked with Davis before practice’s start, and their positive vibes seemed to energize the entire team."

"Another big impact was Davis’ ability to lead the Musketeers. He was the vocal leader last season, a role he didn’t take long to reprise. When the team struggled to complete a particular drill and players grew frustrated with restarting it multiple times, Davis urged everyone to stay sharp and finish the exercise correctly."
”

But I thought he wasn't going to be reinstated because he would mess with the team's chemistry?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Another interesting thing I didnt know was that Mack holds open practices with the understanding they are open to media but they arent to report on information from practice. Most coaches dont have open practices to the media so Shannon feels like it is a fair trade off to get a better sense of the team as a whole. She was granted exception this past practice to report on how Myles looked. So I wonder if she would have tweeted out he was back if they didnt announce it in advance and she wasnt granted permission?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Giddy up...he's important to this team. He makes us better.

Yes, a lot better ultimately imo.

[TUclutch]

Another interesting thing I didnt know was that Mack holds open practices with the understanding they are open to media but they arent to report on information from practice. Most coaches dont have open practices to the media so Shannon feels like it is a fair trade off to get a better sense of the team as a whole. She was granted exception this past practice to report on how Myles looked. So I wonder if she would have tweeted out he was back if they didnt announce it in advance and she wasnt granted permission?

I would guess no, because had Mack not announced it and someone did, they couldve been removed/prevented from future practices.

[Lloyd Braun]

This team is definitively better with Myles in the lineup. The brief time he was in tonight there were more attempts to run an actual offense. His D was solid too. Hope he gets his sea legs back soon to make some shots.

[Harryfe]

This team is definitively better with Myles in the lineup. The brief time he was in tonight there were more attempts to run an actual offense. His D was solid too. Hope he gets his sea legs back soon to make some shots.
I thought he looked terrible. 3 pointers weren't even close. He is along way from ready and won't help this team for a while

[GoMuskies]

This team is definitively better with Myles in the lineup. The brief time he was in tonight there were more attempts to run an actual offense. His D was solid too. Hope he gets his sea legs back soon to make some shots.

He was awful. But he had a lot of company.

[Lloyd Braun]

I thought he looked terrible. 3 pointers weren't even close. He is along way from ready and won't help this team for a while

I never said he looked good....

[xu82]

I thought he looked terrible. 3 pointers weren't even close. He is along way from ready and won't help this team for a while

A good throw away game to get his legs going in the right direction. Oh well.....

[bleedXblue]

I put not thing on Myles. He got some extra minutes with JP's first half foul trouble. He needs another weak or two before I think you can have some expectations.

[sgarcia]

I put not thing on Myles. He got some extra minutes with JP's first half foul trouble. He needs another weak or two before I think you can have some expectations.

Glad he got some decent minutes. I understand he's been away all year but should've been able to make one of his wide open looks.

[vee4xu]

Well, tonight we got Myles and X got death.

[xu82]

Well, tonight we got Myles and X got death.

DEPTH.....oh, and death......

[scoscox]

Good to see him out there. He'll start making those shots and getting in more game shape.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Guess it was over +10, how many did he play in first half when it was still a game? 5-6 it seemed like.

Glad he got back out there despite the poor results. Myles is one of our best players he'll make it back soon enough.

[RyanblockXU]

Soooo.


Myles looked a little depressed. Like he was reminded again tonight of how bad he fucked up.


The dude is going to be booed in every Away game he plays in the rest of the year. JP I could trust to respond from that. But Can Myles handle being booed in a every arena he plays in? Time will tell. I can't even imagine what the UC fans are going to do to him.

[Harryfe]

It's kind of a. Catch 22. He needs the minutes to improve his efficiency but he may not help the team for a while

[xu82]

Soooo.


Myles looked a little depressed. Like he was reminded again tonight of how bad he fucked up.


The dude is going to be booed in every Away game he plays in the rest of the year. JP I could trust to respond from that. But Can Myles handle being booed in a every arena he plays in? Time will tell. I can't even imagine what the UC fans are going to do to him.
Huh? Not worried about that nonsense. Shake the rust off and PLAY!

[sgarcia]

Soooo.


Myles looked a little depressed. Like he was reminded again tonight of how bad he fucked up.


The dude is going to be booed in every Away game he plays in the rest of the year. JP I could trust to respond from that. But Can Myles handle being booed in a every arena he plays in? Time will tell. I can't even imagine what the UC fans are going to do to him.

He will be booed at butler and at UC. Don't see him being booed anywhere else. I think he'll be alright.

[IM4X]

Well, tonight we got Myles and X got death.

Ha... Yeah, I thought it was an "or" request... not an "and" request.

[The Coz]

This reminds me of when Huggins' trashy daughters taunted Dez when he was at Maryland. Someone might want to tell them about their dad and the story of one Lou Banks.

[TUclutch]

This reminds me of when Huggins' trashy daughters taunted Dez when he was at Maryland. Someone might want to tell them about their dad and the story of one Lou Banks.

Not even close to the same situation. Dez didn't do anything wrong. Myles absolutely did. I have zero problem with anyone booing him every time he touches the ball(insults and such are over the line but booing is fine). I would hope he can ignore it and play ball

[muskieindent]

It's kind of a. Catch 22. He needs the minutes to improve his efficiency but he may not help the team for a while
That's my concern too and we have some tough games coming up.Too bad he couldn't have played against Providence or SJU.We could certainly use another shooter.He will get a lot of grief on the roads.Wait til the Shootout.I'm sure that will be ugly

[IM4X]

Was anyone at the game to see how well Myles was shooting the 3 before the game?

I'm curious if he was cold during warm ups or if he was lighting it up and just went cold in the game.

[XUMIOH12]

Was anyone at the game to see how well Myles was shooting the 3 before the game?

I'm curious if he was cold during warm ups or if he was lighting it up and just went cold in the game.

that doesn't really matter

[bleedXblue]

I thinking we need to stop drinking the water up there or something........

[LA Muskie]

Was anyone at the game to see how well Myles was shooting the 3 before the game?

I didn't see, but I'm sure he was stroking them. Good shooters always do. It doesn't translate to games though -- especially for guys who have been out for a while. Legs, wind, and adrenaline have a huge impact and it just can't be replicated with one practice, one walk-through, and a warmup. It's going to take him a bit to be back to 100% (if he ever gets to that point this season). But he should get to 85% relatively quickly.

[IM4X]

I didn't see, but I'm sure he was stroking them. Good shooters always do. It doesn't translate to games though -- especially for guys who have been out for a while. Legs, wind, and adrenaline have a huge impact and it just can't be replicated with one practice, one walk-through, and a warmup. It's going to take him a bit to be back to 100% (if he ever gets to that point this season). But he should get to 85% relatively quickly.

Yeah- it only makes sense that it will take him time to get back to where he was... but I was just curious if he was nailing Most of his 3s in warm ups and just struggled (understandably) to get into his zone during the game... or if he was rusty in warm ups too. Totally agree that he will turn it on and get back to lighting it up soon.

One thing I find with him though more than any other player on the team is his tendency to allow a few bad shots to get to him and even allow it to negatively affect the rest of his game... An example was the Seton Hall game during the BE tournament last year. I was at that game and he let a few mistakes really mess with the rest of his game. You could just see he was thinking about the mistakes instead of shaking them off and moving on. But then he is also someone who can be dangerous and take over games when he is hot.

Conversely, when JP takes a shot that doesn't go or makes some other mistake he doesn't think twice about it- it's over and out of his head for good.

Also, I would specifically like to see him get back to driving to the hoop. Not only will it help him build up his confidenxe, but who better than Myles to be drawing fouls and getting to the line for the team. I want him at the line 10 times every game. That's like giving your team and 16-20 automatic points.

[Harryfe]

Was it his freshman or sophomore year that near the end he had a terribly cold streak from 3? Missing over 20 in a row? I wouldn't be surprised if all of the problems, booing, etc has an effect on his "mind". He may never be a significant contributor. But certainly hope he gets over the jitters he showed in first appearance

[Backyard Champ]

Was it his freshman or sophomore year that near the end he had a terribly cold streak from 3? Missing over 20 in a row? I wouldn't be surprised if all of the problems, booing, etc has an effect on his "mind". He may never be a significant contributor. But certainly hope he gets over the jitters he showed in first appearance

Huh? May never be a significant contributor? Are you saying he may not be significant again? We better hope that's not the case. Also, maybe it was just me, but all of his shots looked fine. Didn't see any "jitters" accept on defense and one bad turnover early in the first half. Thought if anything, he should have shot more.

[Harryfe]

Huh? May never be a significant contributor? Are you saying he may not be significant again? We better hope that's not the case. Also, maybe it was just me, but all of his shots looked fine. Didn't see any "jitters" accept on defense and one bad turnover early in the first half. Thought if anything, he should have shot more.
He was 0 for 5 and never came close!! Does that mean he won't improve? Absolutely not. But one has to be concerned

[D-West & PO-Z]

Was it his freshman or sophomore year that near the end he had a terribly cold streak from 3? Missing over 20 in a row? I wouldn't be surprised if all of the problems, booing, etc has an effect on his "mind". He may never be a significant contributor. But certainly hope he gets over the jitters he showed in first appearance

Freshman year, zero concern with Myles in the long run. He was our undisputed leader last year and our glue guy. He will be rusty for a while but he will be a significant contributor again.

[slysyl]

I didn't see where he contributed anything that the guard he replaced could have done better.

[xufan2434]

Are you guys serious right now? He hasn't played a competitive minute since the Wisconsin game, got 1 practice in with the team, and then 1 shoot around/walk through. And then you throw him into the fire on the road at the defending national champs. Give me a break.. A full week of practice/workout this week and he'll be back. You can't just throw him into a game like that and expect mid season form Myles. I expect him to be a lot better Saturday.

And if you're trying to tell me Q would have been better in that game, then I want what you're having

[bleedXblue]

we have some dumb ass fans

[xubrew]

Legal question....

If anyone ever says to me "Give me (whatever) or give me death!" and I choose not to give it to them, can I just go ahead and shoot them?

[GoMuskies]

Legal question....

If anyone ever says to me "Give me (whatever) or give me death!" and I choose not to give it to them, can I just go ahead and shoot them?

Yes.

[xu82]

Yes.

Trying to drum up some business?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is what fans do when we get blown out and the team plays very poorly. Myles will be Myles at the end of the year, I think it will just take him a couple of weeks to get back. I was hoping it would be at the start of the BE games, this far in he may not be a significant contributor for a few more games.


Trying to drum up some business?

[markchal]

I'm not excusing the guy's actions this summer (obviously), but not a lot of players would've paid their own way the first year like he had to when he couldn't play. He's been extremely dedicated to the program and has been a big contributor in the stat line and a vocal leader on the floor (which we've been lacking). I'm all for him getting as much PT as he can so he can get back to his usual form as quickly as possible.

[Harryfe]

I hope he can take the booing each time he touches the ball. It will be bad at Hinkle. I realize he has not been in game condition but he has had time to shoot thousands of 3 pointers. Those were bricks the other eve. Nerves, conditioning or just chance? I realize he hasn't had a chance to practice, etc. I'm afraid by the time he gets in game shape the season will be about over.

[GoMuskies]

I'm afraid by the time he gets in game shape the season will be about over.

As long as the season is only "about" over, this would actually be fine. Because the time when the season is "about" over is the most important part of the season.

[Muskeagle]

Not even close to the same situation. Dez didn't do anything wrong. Myles absolutely did. I have zero problem with anyone booing him every time he touches the ball(insults and such are over the line but booing is fine). I would hope he can ignore it and play ball

Not to rehash and old argument...and not to get into the question of whether or not Xavier overreacted...but to say Dez didn't do anything wrong is a gross overstatement. The "facts" are hazy, but many of the versions of what DID happen have Dez clearly in the wrong. Wrong enough to get kicked out? TOTALLY different question, but let's not re-write history and say there was nothing there.

That said, I was a little disappointed with the Fox sideline reporter stating that Myles had been suspended for "an altercation with a girlfriend"--while maybe not "wrong", it was certainly misleading. What Myles did was wrong, but that report made it sound like he hit his girlfriend. That by all accounts does not seem to be the case.

[xufan2434]

I hope he can take the booing each time he touches the ball. It will be bad at Hinkle. I realize he has not been in game condition but he has had time to shoot thousands of 3 pointers. Those were bricks the other eve. Nerves, conditioning or just chance? I realize he hasn't had a chance to practice, etc. I'm afraid by the time he gets in game shape the season will be about over.

Who will Hinkle boo louder... Myles or JP?

In terms of his shooting. Idc how many 3's you shoot on your own or working in a gym with someone. When you get put into a fast paced game in that Pavillion it's all different. I don't think Myles all of sudden just became a bad shooter. A couple of them to me looked short aka he didn't have his legs under him. He'll get it going

[bleedXblue]

I hope he can take the booing each time he touches the ball. It will be bad at Hinkle. I realize he has not been in game condition but he has had time to shoot thousands of 3 pointers. Those were bricks the other eve. Nerves, conditioning or just chance? I realize he hasn't had a chance to practice, etc. I'm afraid by the time he gets in game shape the season will be about over.

I can't tell if you are baiting or are really just that out of touch. Have you watched this guy for the last 3 years? Do you just enjoy being negative? Geesh

[Juice]

Not to rehash and old argument...and not to get into the question of whether or not Xavier overreacted...but to say Dez didn't do anything wrong is a gross overstatement. The "facts" are hazy, but many of the versions of what DID happen have Dez clearly in the wrong. Wrong enough to get kicked out? TOTALLY different question, but let's not re-write history and say there was nothing there.

That said, I was a little disappointed with the Fox sideline reporter stating that Myles had been suspended for "an altercation with a girlfriend"--while maybe not "wrong", it was certainly misleading. What Myles did was wrong, but that report made it sound like he hit his girlfriend. That by all accounts does not seem to be the case.

I don't think it was misleading. Both criminal matters involved his girlfriend as a witness/victim. The protection order was filed by his girlfriend against him. While a bit vague, it wasn't misleading.

[BandAid]

There were a couple of times last night when the offense was stymied and Myles was able to penetrate into the defense to create an open look. He had a horrid night (as did everyone else which is why they didn't convert those opportunities), but I was more happy to see that than anything else. It's better than passing it around the perimeter like we were doing or going in half-cocked (I'm looking at you Ed).

[Harryfe]

I can't tell if you are baiting or are really just that out of touch. Have you watched this guy for the last 3 years? Do you just enjoy being negative? Geesh
Not much positive Tuesday night. I guess Sean?? Myles was awful. Does this mean he won't improve? As I said above absolutely not. But is he going to hurt the team while getting his game legs??? Hope not.

[X-band '01]

Myles was ice cold on Tuesday night, but so was the whole team after the first 10 minutes. If he were to take a bunch of bad shots against Butler to the detriment of the team, it would be much more noticeable. But it will be Butler (not Xavier) that will have the big mental block to overcome for Saturrday.

[bleedXblue]

Myles was ice cold on Tuesday night, but so was the whole team after the first 10 minutes. If he were to take a bunch of bad shots against Butler to the detriment of the team, it would be much more noticeable. But it will be Butler (not Xavier) that will have the big mental block to overcome for Saturrday.

according to some posters it doesn't affect the teams psyche at all when they get drubbed by 25

[AviatorX]

according to some posters it doesn't affect the teams psyche at all when they get drubbed by 25

Seemed to work out alright last year with most of the same faces when they won 9/10 after getting killed @Nova and 4/5 after being blown out @Creighton.

[bleedXblue]

Seemed to work out alright last year with most of the same faces when they won 9/10 after getting killed @Nova and 4/5 after being blown out @Creighton.

I was more going with if the first 5-6 shots don't fall at Butler, does it start to get in their heads.....

Agreed, we rebounded last year. Lets hope that happens again.

[xukeith]

I was more going with if the first 5-6 shots don't fall at Butler, does it start to get in their heads.....

Agreed, we rebounded last year. Lets hope that happens again.

Yes, it gets in their heads. Maybe only not Macura's head or Redford's head for different reasons.

[XfansinKy]

Who will Hinkle boo louder... Myles or JP?

In terms of his shooting. Idc how many 3's you shoot on your own or working in a gym with someone. When you get put into a fast paced game in that Pavillion it's all different. I don't think Myles all of sudden just became a bad shooter. A couple of them to me looked short aka he didn't have his legs under him. He'll get it going

Yep. It's different with someone running out trying to block your shot.

[TUclutch]

Not to rehash and old argument...and not to get into the question of whether or not Xavier overreacted...but to say Dez didn't do anything wrong is a gross overstatement. The "facts" are hazy, but many of the versions of what DID happen have Dez clearly in the wrong. Wrong enough to get kicked out? TOTALLY different question, but let's not re-write history and say there was nothing there.


The prosecutor(one who prosecutes anything he could potentially get a conviction on) said nothing illegal happened. Nothing Dez did was wrong unless you consider pre-marital sex wrong.

[principal]

The prosecutor(one who prosecutes anything he could potentially get a conviction on) said nothing illegal happened. Nothing Dez did was wrong unless you consider pre-marital sex wrong.

Now you are both equivocating and moving the goal posts. You initially said Dez didn't do anything wrong, now you are saying he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he did a few things that were wrong, if the rumors are true:

1. Allegedly he was in the dorms when he was not supposed to be, violating school policy.
2. Allegedly he was drinking underage, which is both illegal and violates school policy.
3. Allegedly he lied saying he would use a condom and didn't, which may be illegal and is definitely wrong, and you would agree if it were your daughter (no matter how stupid the girl's actions, his are not justified).
4. Allegedly he used the girl, which while neither illegal nor against school policy is still wrong.
5. I would argue premarital sex is also wrong, morally.
6. Also, if I remember correctly, he was in a probationary period at the time of the incident. If correct, several of the above would be grounds for dismissal, but add one more thing to the list of wrongs either way, he violated his probation, which is wrong.

The fact that some may consider these trivial offenses does not change the fact that he did indeed do several wrong things, contrary to your original statement:

"Dez didn't do anything wrong."

So he is alleged to have done several things wrong and at least one illegal thing, your equivocation and moving of the goal posts notwithstanding. If the above are true I would also have chosen to throw him out. Winning isn't that important to me relative to doing what is right.

Principal

[TUclutch]

Now you are both equivocating and moving the goal posts. You initially said Dez didn't do anything wrong, now you are saying he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he did a few things that were wrong, if the rumors are true:

1. Allegedly he was in the dorms when he was not supposed to be, violating school policy.
2. Allegedly he was drinking underage, which is both illegal and violates school policy.
3. Allegedly he lied saying he would use a condom and didn't, which may be illegal and is definitely wrong, and you would agree if it were your daughter (no matter how stupid the girl's actions, his are not justified).
4. Allegedly he used the girl, which while neither illegal nor against school policy is still wrong.
5. I would argue premarital sex is also wrong, morally.
6. Also, if I remember correctly, he was in a probationary period at the time of the incident. If correct, several of the above would be grounds for dismissal, but add one more thing to the list of wrongs either way, he violated his probation, which is wrong.

The fact that some may consider these trivial offenses does not change the fact that he did indeed do several wrong things, contrary to your original statement:

"Dez didn't do anything wrong."

So he is alleged to have done several things wrong and at least one illegal thing, your equivocation and moving of the goal posts notwithstanding. If the above are true I would also have chosen to throw him out. Winning isn't that important to me relative to doing what is right.

Principal

Illegal ~ wrong. If it's not illegal Im not worried about it(while I may not agree or do it, I wouldn't say it is wrong as everyone is entitled to their own choices). Even some "illegal" things shouldn't be an issue in the eyes of people with common sense. Almost every college kid drinks. Almost every college kid has sex. Id argue the majority of college kids have had one night stand/hookups. I wouldn't say any of them are wrong and I definitely don't think any should be grounds to say he wasn't 100% railroaded out of school and off the team. The school was 1000000% in the wrong for how they treated him and what they did and to say otherwise is blindly/irresponsibly siding with the school. Thankfully, Dez was able to get a good chunk of money from the settlement, even though that doesn't clear the internet of bullshit accusations and articles. Even the NCAA who makes the wrong decision 99% of the time had the common sense to allow him to play right away rather than sit out a season

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Now you are both equivocating and moving the goal posts. You initially said Dez didn't do anything wrong, now you are saying he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he did a few things that were wrong, if the rumors are true:

1. Allegedly he was in the dorms when he was not supposed to be, violating school policy.
2. Allegedly he was drinking underage, which is both illegal and violates school policy.
3. Allegedly he lied saying he would use a condom and didn't, which may be illegal and is definitely wrong, and you would agree if it were your daughter (no matter how stupid the girl's actions, his are not justified).
4. Allegedly he used the girl, which while neither illegal nor against school policy is still wrong.
5. I would argue premarital sex is also wrong, morally.
6. Also, if I remember correctly, he was in a probationary period at the time of the incident. If correct, several of the above would be grounds for dismissal, but add one more thing to the list of wrongs either way, he violated his probation, which is wrong.

The fact that some may consider these trivial offenses does not change the fact that he did indeed do several wrong things, contrary to your original statement:

"Dez didn't do anything wrong."

So he is alleged to have done several things wrong and at least one illegal thing, your equivocation and moving of the goal posts notwithstanding. If the above are true I would also have chosen to throw him out. Winning isn't that important to me relative to doing what is right.

Principal

You must be a hit at parties

[bleedXblue]

You must be a hit at parties

LOL, I thought the same thing

If you went to college and never drank in a dorm room and chased girls, I worry about you

[ammtd34]

according to some posters it doesn't affect the teams psyche at all when they get drubbed by 25

Not any more than losing by 4.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thankfully, Dez was able to get a good chunk of money from the settlement, even though that doesn't clear the internet of bullshit accusations and articles. Even the NCAA who makes the wrong decision 99% of the time had the common sense to allow him to play right away rather than sit out a season

According to some posters he got ZERO. I personally have no idea but I would be surprised if they settled and he got nothing. Just find it funny that there are such wide ranging opinions (reports? not sure what to call them) on what Dez got in the settlement.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not any more than losing by 4.

I think a 1 point close loss is harder to move on from than a drubbing. Learn from it, forget it, and move on, Xavier teams have had no problems doing that in the past.

[Xville]

Now you are both equivocating and moving the goal posts. You initially said Dez didn't do anything wrong, now you are saying he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he did a few things that were wrong, if the rumors are true:

1. Allegedly he was in the dorms when he was not supposed to be, violating school policy.
2. Allegedly he was drinking underage, which is both illegal and violates school policy.
3. Allegedly he lied saying he would use a condom and didn't, which may be illegal and is definitely wrong, and you would agree if it were your daughter (no matter how stupid the girl's actions, his are not justified).
4. Allegedly he used the girl, which while neither illegal nor against school policy is still wrong.
5. I would argue premarital sex is also wrong, morally.
6. Also, if I remember correctly, he was in a probationary period at the time of the incident. If correct, several of the above would be grounds for dismissal, but add one more thing to the list of wrongs either way, he violated his probation, which is wrong.

The fact that some may consider these trivial offenses does not change the fact that he did indeed do several wrong things, contrary to your original statement:

"Dez didn't do anything wrong."

So he is alleged to have done several things wrong and at least one illegal thing, your equivocation and moving of the goal posts notwithstanding. If the above are true I would also have chosen to throw him out. Winning isn't that important to me relative to doing what is right.

Principal

Yikes....how is the weather up there from your ivory tower?

You think premarital sex is morally wrong? How? It is "wrong" in catholic doctrine, and probably in a few other religions which I'm not familiar with but morally? Disagree.

And as a few others have said, if you weren't hanging out in dorms and drinking a few beers here and there, you missed out on a part of the college experience.

Now the condom thing...ok i can see people's viewpoints there, if that actually happened. However, even then, it very much sounds to me from everything that I have heard that Dez was railroaded and much of that was because of the other issues the school was having with sexual assaults and coverups at the time from good ole boy Luther Smith

[Olsingledigit]

100% with Ville on this

[nuts4xu]

Are we really talking about Dez Wells?

I think he is collecting social security by now. Whatever decisions made about his situation are completely unrelated to the Myles Davis suspension.

While we are at it, let's compare Myles Davis to how we treated Dedrick Finn, Lloyd Price, or Aaron Turner while we are at it. The Xavier admins did them wrong too!!

This injustice will not stand, man!

[ammtd34]

I think a 1 point close loss is harder to move on from than a drubbing. Learn from it, forget it, and move on, Xavier teams have had no problems doing that in the past.

Yep.

[XMuskieFTW]

Got busted for drinking in the dorms two years before the Dez thing. We got a 50 dollar fine and had to watch some hour long video at our leisure. I know guys who got busted 8-9 times for drinking in the dorms just their freshman year and there was never any chance of expulsion. He was totally railroaded because of the other issues the school was having at the time.

[bleedXblue]

Got busted for drinking in the dorms two years before the Dez thing. We got a 50 dollar fine and had to watch some hour long video at our leisure. I know guys who got busted 8-9 times for drinking in the dorms just their freshman year and there was never any chance of expulsion. He was totally railroaded because of the other issues the school was having at the time.

hence the reason why he was absolved by the Hamilton County Prosecutor and was allegedly awarded a monetary settlement

[Juice]

LOL, I thought the same thing

If you went to college and never drank in a dorm room and chased girls, I worry about you

or guys, it's 2017.

[Muskeagle]

Now you are both equivocating and moving the goal posts. You initially said Dez didn't do anything wrong, now you are saying he didn't do anything illegal. Also, he did a few things that were wrong, if the rumors are true:

1. Allegedly he was in the dorms when he was not supposed to be, violating school policy.
2. Allegedly he was drinking underage, which is both illegal and violates school policy.
3. Allegedly he lied saying he would use a condom and didn't, which may be illegal and is definitely wrong, and you would agree if it were your daughter (no matter how stupid the girl's actions, his are not justified).
4. Allegedly he used the girl, which while neither illegal nor against school policy is still wrong.
5. I would argue premarital sex is also wrong, morally.
6. Also, if I remember correctly, he was in a probationary period at the time of the incident. If correct, several of the above would be grounds for dismissal, but add one more thing to the list of wrongs either way, he violated his probation, which is wrong.

The fact that some may consider these trivial offenses does not change the fact that he did indeed do several wrong things, contrary to your original statement:

"Dez didn't do anything wrong."

So he is alleged to have done several things wrong and at least one illegal thing, your equivocation and moving of the goal posts notwithstanding. If the above are true I would also have chosen to throw him out. Winning isn't that important to me relative to doing what is right.

Principal

I don't know how people can sweep this one under the rug. I don't think Principal is trying to "talk from the ivory tower" or even necessarily say that he agrees with the punishment, but simply pointing out that he DID do things that are considered wrong by the institution he represented. One of you mentioned the fine you got for drinking in the dorms....a fine you got because you were doing something against school policy. No one (no one here at least) is saying he or she is against pre-marital sex, but if the bolded statement is true (which I've heard was the big thing) then he did NOT have CONSENSUAL premarital sex. The girl consented to sex with a condom...NOT without. He was expelled by a jury of his peers by the way. You can be expelled for many things that may not be "illegal" in the city/state/country you live in....they just have to violate the insitutions policies. IF number 3 is true, then as much as I liked Dez as a player, as much as he seemed to be a good kid who maybe made a bad decision, as much as he was a leader on the court in in the lockerroom....then I think he got what he deserved. Are there lesser punishments for the other things...or maybe none at all? sure. If he had sex with the girl on the basis of a promised condom....then he needed to go. That's some pretty serious shit...with serious potential consequences...from disease to pregnancy which SHE did not consent to.

[bleedXblue]

I don't know how people can sweep this one under the rug. I don't think Principal is trying to "talk from the ivory tower" or even necessarily say that he agrees with the punishment, but simply pointing out that he DID do things that are considered wrong by the institution he represented. One of you mentioned the fine you got for drinking in the dorms....a fine you got because you were doing something against school policy. No one (no one here at least) is saying he or she is against pre-marital sex, but if the bolded statement is true (which I've heard was the big thing) then he did NOT have CONSENSUAL premarital sex. The girl consented to sex with a condom...NOT without. He was expelled by a jury of his peers by the way. You can be expelled for many things that may not be "illegal" in the city/state/country you live in....they just have to violate the insitutions policies. IF number 3 is true, then as much as I liked Dez as a player, as much as he seemed to be a good kid who maybe made a bad decision, as much as he was a leader on the court in in the lockerroom....then I think he got what he deserved. Are there lesser punishments for the other things...or maybe none at all? sure. If he had sex with the girl on the basis of a promised condom....then he needed to go. That's some pretty serious shit...with serious potential consequences...from disease to pregnancy which SHE did not consent to.

No one is sweeping this under the rug. The general overall position is that Dez did what lots of other college students have done over the years......and was held to a different standard and ultimately expelled.

I know Joe Deters made a public statement at one point and basically said he found no wrong doing.

Dez filed a lawsuit and looks as though he likely got some type of compensation.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/04/24/dez-wells-xavier-settle-lawsuit/8111709/

[Juice]

I don't know how people can sweep this one under the rug. I don't think Principal is trying to "talk from the ivory tower" or even necessarily say that he agrees with the punishment, but simply pointing out that he DID do things that are considered wrong by the institution he represented. One of you mentioned the fine you got for drinking in the dorms....a fine you got because you were doing something against school policy. No one (no one here at least) is saying he or she is against pre-marital sex, but if the bolded statement is true (which I've heard was the big thing) then he did NOT have CONSENSUAL premarital sex. The girl consented to sex with a condom...NOT without. He was expelled by a jury of his peers by the way. You can be expelled for many things that may not be "illegal" in the city/state/country you live in....they just have to violate the insitutions policies. IF number 3 is true, then as much as I liked Dez as a player, as much as he seemed to be a good kid who maybe made a bad decision, as much as he was a leader on the court in in the lockerroom....then I think he got what he deserved. Are there lesser punishments for the other things...or maybe none at all? sure. If he had sex with the girl on the basis of a promised condom....then he needed to go. That's some pretty serious shit...with serious potential consequences...from disease to pregnancy which SHE did not consent to.

It wasn't a jury of peers.

[principal]

No one is sweeping this under the rug. The general overall position is that Dez did what lots of other college students have done over the years......and was held to a different standard and ultimately expelled.

I know Joe Deters made a public statement at one point and basically said he found no wrong doing.

Dez filed a lawsuit and looks as though he likely got some type of compensation.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2014/04/24/dez-wells-xavier-settle-lawsuit/8111709/

Was Deters speaking as a county prosecutor? If so, he was saying there isn't sufficient evidence for a trial. If not then we need to know what he was saying (may be in article, I've not re-read it). Regardless, Deters was looking at it from a legal standpoint, not a university policy standpoint.

This is not directed at Muskeagle's above comment:

Additionally, why do the Dez supporters refuse to even acknowledge the probation? He wasn't treated the same as who? Who are you aware of that was on probation for a televised punch to someone's head and then did what Dez did and was treated differently? You are all comparing a single offense while not on probation to a multiple offense incident while on probation. If he was on a zero tolerance probation, or something similar (as has been suggested), and he violated the probation, not only are you comparing apples and oranges but he deserved to go. It's simple:

Anyone violating the terms of a probation is expelled
Dez Wells violated the terms of a probation
Therefore Dez Wells was expelled

The only possible argument is to take issue with one of the above premises. If you don't know for sure whether or not he was on probation, what the terms were, or whether or not he violated the terms, then you have no business making definitive claims about whether or not he was mistreated, not treated like others, or was railroaded out of town. You can make all of the ad hominem arguments you like about what I would be like at a party, what I or most others do or don't do while in college, whether or not I'm speaking from an ivory tower, and whether or not pre-marital sex is objectively wrong, but all of the fallacies in the world won't change the fact that in doing so you may have made a funny but you've failed to address the argument.

If my prior statements are true, then Dez deserved to go. If you don't know whether or not they are true then your opinion should be tempered accordingly.

Principal

Edit: One correction. I was thinking Dez had thrown the first punch, which is not the case. It appears he was the first to get physical, but it was a shove and not a punch. He did end up swinging at some guys, and it appears to be aggressive as opposed to fighting someone off, but it all moves pretty quickly so it is hard to tell. Regardless, he was apparently on probation for the brawl and violated the terms. If he was not on probation or if he was and did not violate the terms, then only the condom issue remains as possible grounds for expulsion. As should be clear, if none of these things are true then he did not deserve to be expelled.

[xu82]

I'm glad this is all behind us. Apparently not far enough yet, but farther every day.

[IM4X]

Are we really talking about Dez Wells?

I think he is collecting social security by now. Whatever decisions made about his situation are completely unrelated to the Myles Davis suspension.

While we are at it, let's compare Myles Davis to how we treated Dedrick Finn, Lloyd Price, or Aaron Turner while we are at it. The Xavier admins did them wrong too!!

This injustice will not stand, man!

... and while we're at it (and because it's the weekend), I've included a link to an old "hoops" thread I stumbled upon and found rather enjoyable about "Most unpopular Xavier players" (not that Myles necessarily fits in the category).

http://www.xavierhoops.com/archive/index.php/t-4676.html

[D-West & PO-Z]

... and while we're at it (and because it's the weekend), I've included a link to an old "hoops" thread I stumbled upon and found rather enjoyable about "Most unpopular Xavier players" (not that Myles necessarily fits in the category).

http://www.xavierhoops.com/archive/index.php/t-4676.html

Ha, thanks.

How about this gem:

"1. Chris Mack. No explanation necessary."

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just came across this article. Thought I'd post since this was being discussed. I dont have much of an opinion about the Dez stuff because I dont know all the details (this is the first I am hearing almost all of them) and its all a moot point now.

http://nypost.com/2017/01/13/man-convicted-of-rape-for-taking-off-condom-during-sex/

[IM4X]

Ha, thanks.

How about this gem:

"1. Chris Mack. No explanation necessary."

Wow. Yeah- that one caught my eye.


i think I felt pretty similar about the players you mentioned.


And there was this post:


"David West. He was soft and he got all the calls from A-10 refs because he was a crybaby.


Signed, Dayton and Richmond fans


I hope that anyone who disrespects Will Caudle gets food poisoning and vomits for 24 hours. Iron Will! What a baller!"

[Muskeagle]

It wasn't a jury of peers.

I was under the impression that it was a student group that enforced the expulsion.

[Muskie]

Myles Davis is back. So this thread has run its' course.


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