Game Thread: Xavier v. Northern Iowa November 26, 2016

[Muskie]

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November 26, 2016
Game Time: 12:00 Noon
Cintas Center
Radio:

TV: Foxsports (TBD)


Live Stats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/xavier/mbball/)
Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

[X-ceptional]

Looks like it's going to be on FS Ohio... updated on the main MBB page, but not on the actual Schedule page on goxavier.

[GoMuskies]

X -8.5

[XU 87]

Is the game on Fox Sports1 or the Ohio channel?

[X-band '01]

Fox Sports Ohio will have Xavier tomorrow - FS1 still has football tomorrow.

[XU 87]

To anyone in Atlanta- is there any sports bar that would be able to get Fox Sports Ohio?

[letskeepitreal]

Anyone know if there are any options for Xfinity Chicago? Seems like no live coverage. 3 pm replay. Viewing party at Merkles?

[Berger]

Will people out of market have a way to watch this? I sure hope so. Pm with details if you please :3

[waggy]

Probably need DirecTv if out of market, but there might be some cable providers that also offer Fox Ohio as part of their premium sports tier. Pretty sure Comcast offers it in one their sports tiers, but not 100% positive.

[profson]

Access goxavier.com and then the item for the game. Click on "FSN TV Clearance List" for a full list of stations around the country. Some are live, some on delay.

[skyking]

It is listed as being on Fox Sports Florida at noon. May be on other regional Fox Sports channels.

[BMoreX]

MASN/MASN2 in Maryland/DC area.

[paulxu]

I thought South Carolina was "out of market."

South Dakota could be REALLY out of market.

[Drew's Crew]

MASN/MASN2 in Maryland/DC area.

Nice, thanks man

[xu82]

To anyone in Atlanta- is there any sports bar that would be able to get Fox Sports Ohio?

Yes.



What part of town? Downtown a sports bar like Stats should have it. Closer to Buckhead I'd expect Whitehall Tavern to have it. Near the Vinings I'm pretty sure Padriacs would have it. Then there's my house. (I'm near the Vinings, about 11:00 on the perimeter.) You'd have to check with those places, but I'd be surprised if they don't. You're welcome here if you don't have better options.

Any Taco Mac will probably get it, too. The hard part will be finding a place with sound, which is always nice.

Also, on my AT&T cable guide the game is on FSSE.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is up to 10 point favorites now as gametime approaches.

[mistabeecee41]

looks like this stream is a go! make sure to have adblock installed.

http://www.sportwoop.com/Northern-Iowa----9-Xavier---.html

[kellernr]

Only the 6th game but I think Gaston was a waste of a scholarship.

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[THRILLHOUSE]

Is it just me, or is the FSN broadcast quality kinda dull? I feel like I need to turn up the brightness on my TV.

[letskeepitreal]

Gates getting some action

[paulxu]

O'Mara graduated from the Redford school?

[mistabeecee41]

I'll die a happen man if Bernard/Gaston never try to run their own impulsive pick and roll ever again

[paulxu]

Some serious TO/foul nonsense in the last 3 minutes.
Come on Muskies. Tighten up.

[BMoreX]

35-12. Wow.

[X Factor]

Love the defense this team is starting to play.

[xuwin]

Love the defense this team is starting to play.

Nice to have a lot of big guards.

[X Factor]

Nice to have a lot of big guards.

Exactly. All of our guards are 6'4 or bigger.

[sirthought]

Is our passing more active this game? We seem to be move the ball quickly and the result is UNI can't stay in front of our guys and are looking kind of tired.

[paulxu]

Oscar worthy.

[BMoreX]

Floppy McFlopface Koch there.

[powerofX]

Oscar worthy.

When they review that and see it was a complete flop, that should be a tech for delay of game.

[mistabeecee41]

Floppy McFlopface Koch there.

after watching these last 2 games, i hate that guy. whines, flops, travels every time he gets the ball - and has a punchable face to top it all off.

[THRILLHOUSE]

"Sumner took acting classes" becoming the new "Stainbrook drives for Uber" favorite storyline for every announcing crew.

[Muskie in dayton]

after watching these last 2 games, i hate that guy. whines, flops, travels every time he gets the ball - and has a punchable face to top it all off.

Somebody needs a reflection session.

[GoMuskies]

We're really fucking good in case anyone wasn't sure.

[paulxu]

That was a good old fashion butt whipping.

[GoMuskies]

Does anyone disagree that Jones is our best inside player? Already.

[sirthought]

Does anyone disagree that Jones is our best inside player? Already.

He seems to be in the right position a lot of the time. Not sure he knows what to do always.

I still think O'Mara is gonna step up and prove his salt.

[UCGRAD4X]

Does anyone disagree that Jones is our best inside player? Already.

That it is even debatable is amazing. How many freshman big men have come in with as much impact as Teque?

[xu82]

Tyrique Jones had 6 RB's (and 6 points) i n 12 minutes. He's a beast!

But he also had 4 fouls in that time.....

[sirthought]

Mack in the post-game talking about Sumner being more of a quarterback and making good passes to his team mates in scoring position.

I thought passing was more of an emphasis today. Sort of reminds me of Nova's quick ball movement.

[UCGRAD4X]

overall 42 - 20 rebounding edge!

[GreatWhiteNorth]

UNI lost 2 games in a row, their only 2 losses, to the same team, and not even close games. They must really be pissed.

[xu82]

UNI lost 2 games in a row, their only 2 losses, to the same team, and not even close games. They must really be pissed.

....and ready to play someone else!

[JAPER]

Good match-up there for Xavier. Defensive intensity very encouraging moving forward. Onto the boys from Fargo....

[X Factor]

And Trevon only scored 8 points, still not shooting like he's capable.

[jaxalum]

I had to miss this game due to family obligations. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE/WHEN IT MIGHT BE REPLAYED?

I usually can only get through 20-30 minutes of a game due to nerves, but this game sounded like it was wonderfully relaxing, and X fans don't get many of those. And to beat a quality team twice , in a season, but especially in a row is a difficult feat. Any help is very much appreciated. Thanks.

[Emp]

And Trevon only scored 8 points, still not shooting like he's capable.
But 8 rebounds, 2 steals. 33 minutes is still too many, IMHO, over the course of a season. Hoping Gates and Davis can help out.

[WCWIII]

I had to miss this game due to family obligations. DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE/WHEN IT MIGHT BE REPLAYED?

I usually can only get through 20-30 minutes of a game due to nerves, but this game sounded like it was wonderfully relaxing, and X fans don't get many of those. And to beat a quality team twice , in a season, but especially in a row is a difficult feat. Any help is very much appreciated. Thanks.

Per the FSN TV Clearance as it appears on goxavier.com (thanks Profson!), you can find replays (here (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/11/23/Big_East_Basketball_Northern_Iowa_at_Xavier.pdf)).

[X Factor]

But 8 rebounds, 2 steals. 33 minutes is still too many, IMHO, over the course of a season. Hoping Gates and Davis can help out.

Yes, he was good on the glass for sure. I disagree that 33 minutes is too many for Trevon. He's in great shape this year. He's going to play 30-35 minutes a night.

[xukeith]

But 8 rebounds, 2 steals. 33 minutes is still too many, IMHO, over the course of a season. Hoping Gates and Davis can help out.

If M Davis comes back, his minutes will go down plus K Gates improving interior D and Offense will help spread minutes.

[xukeith]

Tyrique Jones had 6 RB's (and 6 points) i n 12 minutes. He's a beast!

But he also had 4 fouls in that time.....

4 more rebounds than our giant O'Mara

[Milhouse]

UC: 5700 fans
XU: 10,000

Looks like UC fans stayed home to watch the buckeyes. SAD!

[XUOHTX]

UC: 5700 fans
XU: 10,000

Looks like UC fans stayed home to watch the buckeyes. SAD!

Wait, we didn't sell out?

[X-band '01]

Nope - even the Buffalo game was a hundred short of a sellout.

North Dakota State may have a few tickets available, but I'd expect Utah and Wake Forest to sell out for sure the next couple of weeks.

[XfansinKy]

4 more rebounds than our giant O'Mara

What's up with O'Mara? I thought he looked like he never missed a meal or a weight lifting session last year and was impressed. His footwork wasn't quick at all, but deliberate and very balanced. What he lacked in speed n quickness, it seemed he made up for it with size, strength, and even a little jumping ability. When he got here as a freshman his calves looked like footballs. Now he looks thinner and not really faster. I'm still happy he's starting, but would love to see him playing powerful again.

[Milhouse]

According to Chad Brendal UC only counts tickets scanned not tickets sold.

[bleedXblue]

What's up with O'Mara? I thought he looked like he never missed a meal or a weight lifting session last year and was impressed. His footwork wasn't quick at all, but deliberate and very balanced. What he lacked in speed n quickness, it seemed he made up for it with size, strength, and even a little jumping ability. When he got here as a freshman his calves looked like footballs. Now he looks thinner and not really faster. I'm still happy he's starting, but would love to see him playing powerful again.

O'Mara is going to be a solid player, but we should not expect really any more than that. Jones on the other hand has the potential to be really special if he can develop into a good scorer as well.

[XfansinKy]

Suppose you're right. I was hoping Omar'a would be somewhere between Frease and Stainbrook. When Jones is in I find myself waiting for a spectacular play to happen.

[jaxalum]

Per the FSN TV Clearance as it appears on goxavier.com (thanks Profson!), you can find replays (here (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/11/23/Big_East_Basketball_Northern_Iowa_at_Xavier.pdf)).

Thanks for the HUGE solid WCWIII. It is very much appreciated. I looked on the go.xavier site and was unable to locate that link for replays. I was hoping for on more selfless act. Thanks again.

[Harryfe]

Suppose you're right. I was hoping Omar'a would be somewhere between Frease and Stainbrook. When Jones is in I find myself waiting for a spectacular play to happen.
Sorry, Sean will never be as good as Freese or Stain. Very slow footwork, foul prone, not a good rebounder for his size. He will fill a role at the 5 position
Jones and Gaston are just as good although Rashid has bad hands. He should be better as a 5th year senior. I thought he would be a solid starter this year. Remember, he had a full year practicing with this team.

[MauriceX]

Sorry, Sean will never be as good as Freese or Stain. Very slow footwork, foul prone, not a good rebounder for his size. He will fill a role at the 5 position


Some statistics about Frease, Stainbrook, and O'Mara, made anonymous. The statistics are per 40 minutes. It is points per 40 (pp40), rebounds per 40 (rp40), fouls per 40 (fp40), effective field goal percentage (eFG%). (Note: for Frease, Sophomore - Senior years were used because they didn't have per 40 stats available from his freshman year. Stainbrook and O'Mara are Freshman - Junior)

Player A
Year 1- 14.9 pp40, 10.8 rp40, 3.8 fp40, 52.4 eFG%
Year 2- 17.0 pp40, 10.2 rp40, 3.4 fp40, 58.6 eFG%
Year 3- 17.4 pp40, 12.1 rp40, 4.4 fp40, 55.7 eFG%

Player B
Year 1- 14.0 pp40, 6.4 rp40, 6.0 fp40, 56.0 eFG%
Year 2- 18.1 pp40, 14.7 rp40, 6.6 fp40, 60.9 eFG%
Year 3- 17.6 pp40, 10.5 rp40, 6.7 fp40, 61.3 eFG%

Player C
Year 1- 12.5 pp40, 10.7 rp40, 5.0 fp40, 50.7 eFG%
Year 2- 16.5 pp40, 9.9 rp40, 3.0 fp40, 54.9 eFG%
Year 3- 16.5 pp40, 9.9 rp40, 3.4 fp40, 51.0 eFG%

So based on actual facts now, I'd say it's fair to say that these three players are more similar than you would make it seem.

To see who is who, highlight the area below:
Player A - Stainbrook
Player B - O'Mara
Player C - Frease

[TUclutch]

Sorry, Sean will never be as good as Freese or Stain. Very slow footwork, foul prone, not a good rebounder for his size. He will fill a role at the 5 position
Jones and Gaston are just as good although Rashid has bad hands. He should be better as a 5th year senior. I thought he would be a solid starter this year. Remember, he had a full year practicing with this team.

Im pretty sure this is Gaston's last year of eligibility and he won't be back next year. Can anyone confirm?

[XUMIOH12]

Im pretty sure this is Gaston's last year of eligibility and he won't be back next year. Can anyone confirm?

i believe he was saying that he thinks that Gaston, being a 5th year senior, should be better.

[letskeepitreal]

Replay playing now on Fox Sports Central

[XUFan09]

I don't really have high expectations of a transfer player in his first few games back in live action. The underwhelming starts of many of Xavier's past transfers should be remembered by fans.

By the way, Rashid is so far second in the league in offensive rebounding rate and first in defensive rebounding rate. Also, he's been a better defender than Jalen and James. Even in the first few games where he must be shaking off rust, he's not all bad. The piling on after a bad game is rather unnecessary and premature.

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[bleedXblue]

I don't really have high expectations of a transfer player in his first few games back in live action. The underwhelming starts of many of Xavier's past transfers should be remembered by fans.

By the way, Rashid is so far second in the league in offensive rebounding rate and first in defensive rebounding rate. Also, he's been a better defender than Jalen and James. Even in the first few games where he must be shaking off rust, he's not all bad. The piling on after a bad game is rather unnecessary and premature.

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The big limitation so far that I have seen is seems to drop or mishandle a lot of balls in heavy traffic

[XfansinKy]

Some statistics about Frease, Stainbrook, and O'Mara, made anonymous. The statistics are per 40 minutes. It is points per 40 (pp40), rebounds per 40 (rp40), fouls per 40 (fp40), effective field goal percentage (eFG%). (Note: for Frease, Sophomore - Senior years were used because they didn't have per 40 stats available from his freshman year. Stainbrook and O'Mara are Freshman - Junior)

Player A
Year 1- 14.9 pp40, 10.8 rp40, 3.8 fp40, 52.4 eFG%
Year 2- 17.0 pp40, 10.2 rp40, 3.4 fp40, 58.6 eFG%
Year 3- 17.4 pp40, 12.1 rp40, 4.4 fp40, 55.7 eFG%

Player B
Year 1- 14.0 pp40, 6.4 rp40, 6.0 fp40, 56.0 eFG%
Year 2- 18.1 pp40, 14.7 rp40, 6.6 fp40, 60.9 eFG%
Year 3- 17.6 pp40, 10.5 rp40, 6.7 fp40, 61.3 eFG%

Player C
Year 1- 12.5 pp40, 10.7 rp40, 5.0 fp40, 50.7 eFG%
Year 2- 16.5 pp40, 9.9 rp40, 3.0 fp40, 54.9 eFG%
Year 3- 16.5 pp40, 9.9 rp40, 3.4 fp40, 51.0 eFG%

So based on actual facts now, I'd say it's fair to say that these three players are more similar than you would make it seem.

To see who is who, highlight the area below:
Player A - Stainbrook
Player B - O'Mara
Player C - Frease
I couldn't find the highlight below until I replied with your quote. Nice work. I guess all 3 had some end of the game minutes against and with small walk ons too.

[Drew]

People really think Frease is better than Sean? Do people not remember just how awful Frease's hands and overall bb iq were?

[waggy]

Those stats say Sean fouls way too much.

[Muskeagle]

I think O'Mara and Gaston will be fine. Both seem to be able to score with their backs to the basket. Slow footwork?? I guess. O'Mara seems to get by his man regularly...always has and still is. So, slow, or not, it's effective. Gaston's hands are my biggest concern. The travel he had was a result of him not catching the initial pass on the block cleanly...which I think I've seen 5 or 6 times already this season. All that said, I think the three man center spot is well manned, by O'Mara, Gaston, and Jones. Individually, none of their stats will blow us away, but the total for the three is always going to be very good. As long as they are good enough to keep the defense honest, the perimeter attack will continue to flow.

And Drew...thank you for bringing it up...."No, I don't think Frease is better than Sean."

Also, the new emphasis from refs will either get toned down and/or the big guys will figure it out. The fouling will go down. That said, watched a couple of games from the Wooden Legacy...and it seemed like refs were from a different year. All sorts of contact didn't get called? Does X have a reputation? I don't know...if just seemed like a totally different game.

[bleedXblue]

People really think Frease is better than Sean? Do people not remember just how awful Frease's hands and overall bb iq were?

Frease was asked to do A LOT more than Sean.

[XUMIOH12]

People really think Frease is better than Sean? Do people not remember just how awful Frease's hands and overall bb iq were?

who's been saying that?

[XUMIOH12]

Frease was asked to do A LOT more than Sean.

no doubt about that

[X Factor]

People really think Frease is better than Sean? Do people not remember just how awful Frease's hands and overall bb iq were?

Seriously? Frease started as a freshman if I recall correctly.

I think Sean can have a really good junior and senior year, but Frease was a pretty productive center during his time at X. He was ranked a lot higher than Sean coming out of HS though.

[XUFan09]

Seriously? Frease started as a freshman if I recall correctly.

I think Sean can have a really good junior and senior year, but Frease was a pretty productive center during his time at X. He was ranked a lot higher than Sean coming out of HS though.
Jason Love started but Frease earned productive minutes from the get-go. His problem as an underclassman was conditioning; it limited his impact but he was a reliable backup. The problem with Frease is that a lot of people had unreasonable expectations. Fans were talking as if he was going to dominate right away, and when he didn't, every flaw was irrationally inflated.

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[XUMIOH12]

Jason Love started but Frease earned productive minutes from the get-go. His problem as an underclassman was conditioning; it limited his impact but he was a reliable backup. The problem with Frease is that a lot of people had unreasonable expectations. Fans were talking as if he was going to dominate right away, and when he didn't, every flaw was irrationally inflated.

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yep. Frease was a good player, but people expected way too much from him, and then had over the top criticisms of him

[xufan2434]

I think the Frease comparison is a tough one. On one hand, I remember being extremely frustrated with Kenny at times. But I think most of that is because X fans had such high expectations for him whether those are fair or not. I will say for as mad as he made me, I was happy for him the way he finished off his senior season. He really did play well in the tournament that year and at least gave us a shot against that ridiculously long Baylor team.

I don't think they're that similar of players. Sean is more athletic and at least from his free throws, he has more touch and a better shot. I still think the more minutes he logs, the better he's going to get. Playing without fouling obviously enhances that more than anything

[BandAid]

Frease is definitely an example of expectations versus memory. We all had yuuuge expectations for the young man out of high school. Based on those expectations he pretty much sucked his first two seasons. By his junior year we accepted him for what he was. Then by memory we recall how he finished out his senior year.

What's hoped for? What's real? And what part of Frease's collegiate career do you care to remember? These three items become convoluted and dictate one's opinion of King Kenny.

I really like what Sean bring to the table. His offensive moves are by far the best of the three bigs we have. He's quick enough to hedge on screens (something we continually lambasted Kenny and Matt on). The bigguy just needs to stop fouling all the damn time.

I don't think he'll ever jump off the stat sheet. He's never going to make a scout drop his jaw. But Sean is a very serviceable big. He'll be able to hold his own against nearly all competition (saving perhaps future lottery picks). I'm very glad we have him.

[markchal]

But Sean is a very serviceable big. He'll be able to hold his own against nearly all competition (saving perhaps future lottery picks). I'm very glad we have him.

I think this is important. I don't think he will hold his own often on defense (fouls, not a great defender, etc.), I do think he will be serviceable offensively. I also think it's tough because we compare the rebounding of this year's bigs (not great from what I've seen minus Jones) compared to Farr/Reynolds, who were exceptional. You do bring up a good point about all of our bigs being athletic enough to hedge well though, which killed us in the Kenny/Stain era.

I think I expected more from Sean this year, so I'm tempering my expectations somewhat.

[SC in DC]

Trust me, Sean is a lot more devoted to ball than Kenny was.

[XUMIOH12]

Trust me, Sean is a lot more devoted to ball than Kenny was.

well there is no question about that