Polls 2016-17

[birdman71]

#8 USA Today
#9 AP

[xukeith]

#8 USA Today
#9 AP

Nice!

[XfansinKy]

Our guys aren't playing near as good as they will be either.

[D-West & PO-Z]

#7 this week

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nova #2, Creighton #10, and Butler up to #18.

3 BE teams in top 10

[THRILLHOUSE]

Baylor at #9, so it will be a Top 10 matchup in Waco on Saturday.

[X Factor]

ESPN Power Rankings for 11/28:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18153028/indiana-hoosiers-tumbles-only-one-week-no-1-power-rankings-kentucky-wildcats-new-no-1

6. Xavier Musketeers
Record: 6-0
Last week's ranking: 8

The Musketeers had never played Northern Iowa before and wound up playing them twice in one week. The first was a win in the title game of the Tire Pros Invitational in Orlando, and the latest was a resounding 64-42 victory at the Cintas Center. Chris Mack is starting to get much-needed depth with the return of versatile forward Kaiser Gates.


Also, Baylor is #8


AP Top 25 for 11/28:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

7 Xavier 6-0 1,181

[X-ceptional]

Jon Wilner (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/jon-wilner/2016/week-4)) of the San Jose Mercury News fancies Baylor the top team in the country, giving the Bears the (1) beside their name. He voted X 10th, so we'll see if we can't change his mind come Saturday.

Graham Couch (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/graham-couch/2016/week-4)) of the Lansing State Journal is the jerk of the week... after ranking the X Men 6th preseason, he has put them at 17th each of the last three polls. GET IT TOGETHER GRAHAM!

[GoMuskies]

Graham Couch (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/graham-couch/2016/week-4)) of the Lansing State Journal is the jerk of the week... after ranking the X Men 6th preseason, he has put them at 17th each of the last three polls. GET IT TOGETHER GRAHAM!

He thinks Lehigh REALLY sucks.

[X-band '01]

Jon Wilner (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/jon-wilner/2016/week-4)) of the San Jose Mercury News fancies Baylor the top team in the country, giving the Bears the (1) beside their name. He voted X 10th, so we'll see if we can't change his mind come Saturday.

Graham Couch (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/graham-couch/2016/week-4)) of the Lansing State Journal is the jerk of the week... after ranking the X Men 6th preseason, he has put them at 17th each of the last three polls. GET IT TOGETHER GRAHAM!

Based on merit, why shouldn't Baylor be #1? They're the only team in the country with 4 Top-40 caliber wins so far. Only one of those was in Waco.

[X-ceptional]

I don't disagree with the analysis on merit. Although, personally, I would still have Nova at 1 until they lose. I know you can't rely on last year's results to predict anything in college when so much changes in the landscape year to year. Still, defending national champions, and they brought back Hart, Jenkins, Brunson, Bridges. Turns out the Fordham transfer can play a little bit. I don't know, I'd just have them at 1 if I had a vote.

That being said, if you're putting a bracket together today, no doubt Baylor has to be No. 1 overall seed based on everyone's favorite.... body of work!!

[X-band '01]

New poll is out:

AP Poll - December 5 (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/)

Xavier drops 6 spots to #13 after the Baylor loss. Villanova moved up to #1 this week as well.

Creighton remains at #10 and Butler moved up to #16. UC also debuts at #22 this week after winning at Iowa State and at home against Bowling Green.

[XUMIOH12]

i am ok with that ranking. Big week ahead, win both games this week and we may be back in the top 10.

[paulxu]

If you go back 3 years ago to this same week, when the BE was first starting anew, there was 1 team in the top 16 (or the whole poll).
Villanova at #14.
Today there are 4 BE teams in the top 16.

[X-band '01]

As for the coaches/DOBOs poll, Nova is #1, Creighton #10, Xavier #14 and Butler #15.

It's irritating to see Rhody still getting votes in the coaches' poll but no votes for Providence.

[X-ceptional]

David Cloninger (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/david-cloninger/2016/week-5)) of The State in Columbia, SC is a true gentleman and scholar. He held Xavier steady at the 7 spot this week.

This week's Jerk of the WeekTM is Cormac Gordon (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/cormac-gordon/2016/week-5)) of The Staten Island Advance. He dropped X from 7th last week all the way to #21, behind Ohio State at #18. The Suckeyes kept it close with Virginia, no doubt, but then had Fairleigh Dickinson come into Columbus and keep it within 8. Come on, Cormac. We know who the best team in Ohio is.

On another note, after being JotWTM last week, Graham Couch is only saved by the fact that others have stooped lower than he has. Still, since the preseason #6 ranking he gave to Xavier, he has ranked them #17 each week. Should someone check on him to make sure Graham is ok?

[paulxu]

David Cloninger (click here (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/david-cloninger/2016/week-5)) of The State in Columbia, SC is a true gentleman and scholar. He held Xavier steady at the 7 spot this week.

People here in the Palmetto State know what we're doing.

[X-band '01]

Xavier down to #17 in the AP Poll this week. Nova remains #1, Creighton remains #10 and Butler also dropped to #18 b/c of their Indiana State loss.

AP Poll - Week of December 12 (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/2016/week-6)

[D-West & PO-Z]

That is about where I was expecting. Wouldnt have been shocked if it was even slightly lower.

[X-band '01]

That's what helped Xavier in part - teams in the Top 10 also separated themselves more where teams like X, Butler and also Saint Mary's had split weeks. Florida State and USC also made their Top 25 debuts this week.

[nuts4xu]

#17 in the Coaches/Assistant AD's/Custodial Manager's Poll.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[birdman71]

SI predicted #18

[X-band '01]

#17 in the Coaches/Assistant AD's/Custodial Manager's Poll.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Actually not much different between the two polls this week. It's been a little while since both polls had the same Top 25 teams (with slight variations in order).

[XUMIOH12]

about what i was expecting. Should be able to win the next few games and start creeping up again.

[Caf]

Feeling good about this. I think we saw a change in the team between Colorado and Utah. I'm hoping they'll keep that going. December is a good time to learn some lessons - plenty of ball to be played.

[XUMIOH12]

Feeling good about this. I think we saw a change in the team between Colorado and Utah. I'm hoping they'll keep that going. December is a good time to learn some lessons - plenty of ball to be played.

maybe, but was it just because they were at home again? Hard to tell at this point.

[Caf]

maybe, but was it just because they were at home again? Hard to tell at this point.

That I can't say. I will say that was the best version of team basketball I've seen from X all year. Home, away, or neutral.

[XMuskieFTW]

I disagree. We looked best against UNI the second time and NDSU. In the Utah game we looked very much like the team that lost to Colorado. The only real difference was JP made his threes and our free throw shooting down the stretch. Without that, we lose just like at Colorado. Our offense still has very little flow to it. It was slightly better on Saturday, but nowhere near where it needs to be. I still think we are a team with top ten talent, but they just really lack that offensive flow that was so good last year. I think they'll get there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I disagree. We looked best against UNI the second time and NDSU. In the Utah game we looked very much like the team that lost to Colorado. The only real difference was JP made his threes and our free throw shooting down the stretch. Without that, we lose just like at Colorado. Our offense still has very little flow to it. It was slightly better on Saturday, but nowhere near where it needs to be. I still think we are a team with top ten talent, but they just really lack that offensive flow that was so good last year. I think they'll get there.

Ha are those the only differences? Those are pretty big I'd say. We win @ Colorado with those differences.

Not to mention the shots JP took were much better and in the flow of the offense.

[Caf]

I disagree. We looked best against UNI the second time and NDSU. In the Utah game we looked very much like the team that lost to Colorado. The only real difference was JP made his threes and our free throw shooting down the stretch. Without that, we lose just like at Colorado. Our offense still has very little flow to it. It was slightly better on Saturday, but nowhere near where it needs to be. I still think we are a team with top ten talent, but they just really lack that offensive flow that was so good last year. I think they'll get there.

The main thing I'm referring to is the involvement of the bigs and therefore the balance of the offense. I think the involvement of our bigs and the ability of JP to get and make shots are directly related.

[xufan2434]

Ha are those the only differences? Those are pretty big I'd say. We win @ Colorado with those differences.

Not to mention the shots JP took were much better and in the flow of the offense.

Am I the only one who doesn't think JP took a bunch of better shots against Utah? They looked pretty damn similar to me. Outside of the cool step back from the elbow I thought all of his 3's were pretty deep or at least contested. He had the one wide open look in the corner. The rest were catch and shoot with plenty of time on the clock and with a defender right there on him. Granted he made those and I've accepted we're going to get some of the bad with the awesome he brings. Just saying, those were pretty similar looks he was bricking against Baylor/Colorado

[GoMuskies]

I think we were phenomenal for about 15 minutes against Utah. And then pretty pedestrian for 25. But the 15 minutes at the start let us know that phenomenal Xavier team exists.

[XUMIOH12]

I think we were phenomenal for about 15 minutes against Utah. And then pretty pedestrian for 25. But the 15 minutes at the start let us know that phenomenal Xavier team exists.

yep, Xavier went up 39-24 late in the first half, then reverted back to being pedestrian.

[xu82]

yep, Xavier went up 39-24 late in the first half, then reverted back to being pedestrian.

That is EXACTLY when I left for the Opryland hotel! By the time I found the sports bar, it was a game again, sadly.

[XUMIOH12]

That is EXACTLY when I left for the Opryland hotel! By the time I found the sports bar, it was a game again, sadly.

at least you probably missed the worst parts haha

[xu82]

at least you probably missed the worst parts haha

That is one HUGE hotel! (And amazing lit up for Christmas, so the crowds were enormous!) I am not proud of the women and chioldren I may have trampled searching for the sports bar in that maze of atriums and connected hotels on a Vegas scale. Think George Costanza during the fire at the kids birthday party. I've brought shame upon my family.


But I did see the end of the game.

[bobbiemcgee]

Four of the ten Big East schools in the top 20 is pretty awesome.

[Xville]

I liked Gastons progression against Utah that is for sure, but I just cant get excited about this team yet. Something seems off, and I'd be kidding myself if I thought this team was aa good as last year. We really blew a huge opportunity last year.

[XUFan09]

I think we were phenomenal for about 15 minutes against Utah. And then pretty pedestrian for 25. But the 15 minutes at the start let us know that phenomenal Xavier team exists.
Yup.

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[GoMuskies]

I liked Gastons progression against Utah that is for sure, but I just cant get excited about this team yet. Something seems off, and I'd be kidding myself if I thought this team was aa good as last year. We really blew a huge opportunity last year.

Early or late season Xavier? I'm hoping we flip the script on last year starting out "pretty good" and finishing hair on fire fucking awesome.

But that's just me.

[xu82]

Early or late season Xavier? I'm hoping we flip the script on last year starting out "pretty good" and finishing hair on fire fucking awesome.

But that's just me.

Count me in! December is NOT the time to peak.

[bleedXblue]

Agreed this team has not jelled yet and has some work to do. It's early. I'm optimistic that Ed will continue to get better. This is critical. Myles returning is also really important. You can never have enough Senior leaders who can shoot and handle the ball. Gaston of course is critical as well. A few wild cards are Gates and Jones. If they can also continue getting better and playing solid minutes, this team will be much better come February.

[Xuperman]

Still ranked but a steady drop. Predicting about 8/9 losses by March so just hoping to be still ranked before MSG.

[XfansinKy]

That's better than I expected. I've been wanting to see two bigs on the blocks at the same time this year but doesn't seem to happen much. I'm sure coach Mack has a reason probably based on the plays X runs. I wonder if X would dominate the boards and block a lot of shots with Gaston and Jones on the floor together or would it be a foul fest. Sumner at point, JP at shooting guard, Tre at small forward, Jones at power forward, and Gaston at center sounds like an interesting combination for 5-10 minute stretches.

[Xavier]

I liked Gastons progression against Utah that is for sure, but I just cant get excited about this team yet. Something seems off, and I'd be kidding myself if I thought this team was aa good as last year. We really blew a huge opportunity last year.

I agree that X dropped a huge opportunity last season. Had all the pieces, IMO, to win it (obviously- beat the National Chamls and had arguably the best regular season in Xavier history). Nature of the tournament I guess.

[scoscox]

Agreed, I thought we may have legitimately been the best/most complete team in the country last year. This year, the top is a lot stronger. Duke, Nova, UK, KU are all scary good, esp. Duke. Still, this team will get much much better. After the transfers and freshmen settle into their roles, Gates returns to form, and Myles come back I think we will start scaring people again offensively. Myles opens up the offense in so many ways I think to take pressure off of Edmond, open the lane for him and give defenses someone else to focus on besides Trevon and JP who are still scoring at will anyway. Having a guy that shoots 40% from deep and 85% from the line will help bring our shooting up to where it was last year and he can handle the ball and facilitate. If Rashid can be the answer down low and Sean, Tyrique and Kaiser can help we'll go places. They need to start scoring more effectively. Also, I can't help, but feel like Tyrique fills the Jalen Reynolds role to a t of rebounding, dunking heavily and being in love with the weight room.

[scoscox]

His first two years when he wasn't shooting well and wasn't flashing any high level athleticism, I didn't really see Myles doing a whole lot for us, but last year he really did do it all. He was automatic on spot up threes and probed the defense well and scored in the lane. Dude put up a triple double. I'll be pumped to see him back. Outside of Duke's Jackson/Allen/Kennard/Tatum nightmare Sumner/Bluiett/Macura/Davis is the best 4 guard tandem going.

Duke is nuts.

[Muskeagle]

His first two years when he wasn't shooting well and wasn't flashing any high level athleticism, I didn't really see Myles doing a whole lot for us, but last year he really did do it all. He was automatic on spot up threes and probed the defense well and scored in the lane. Dude put up a triple double. I'll be pumped to see him back. Outside of Duke's Jackson/Allen/Kennard/Tatum nightmare Sumner/Bluiett/Macura/Davis is the best 4 guard tandem going.

Duke is nuts.

You'd have to include Villanova's Hart, Jenkins, Brunsen, Bridges to that fearsome foursome of guards. All in double figures. 56.5 pts. a night from those four.

[Xville]

You'd have to include Villanova's Hart, Jenkins, Brunsen, Bridges to that fearsome foursome of guards. All in double figures. 56.5 pts. a night from those four.

Yeah as much as i love our 4 guards ill take novas over ours any day of the week and twice on sunday. Ours are great though and probably top 5 in the country. Not bad :)

[xufan2434]

I liked Gastons progression against Utah that is for sure, but I just cant get excited about this team yet. Something seems off, and I'd be kidding myself if I thought this team was aa good as last year. We really blew a huge opportunity last year.

Really sad. Was strolling through some clips from last year on Youtube. Watched some of the shootout and the Nova game. Last year might sting more than OSU/KSU/Pitt losses at least right now just cause us what could have been. Those other heart breaking losses I always knew in the back of my head those teams were eventually going to run out of gas. But last year had everything. My thoughts from watching last years team to this years:

-- Never thought we would miss Remy as much as we do. Malcolm has been solid so far, but Remy was so damn athletic and honestly important. Hit knock down shots and played great defense. Pushing the ball up the sideline to him is something we miss dearly.

-- I've been trying to wonder if we're over stating the absence of Myles and simply talking him up more because he's not there so it's easy to do.... We're not. People forget how much better he got last year at driving to the hoop. Way more of an all around game last year. And he's technically the only true Xavier senior on this team that came as a freshman. Need his leadership

-- Jalen and Jimmy were beasts in the post. But they too also had a lot of lapses. The bigs this year will never be as dominant offensively, but man they defend ball screens SOOO much better this year. Could be the key this year if their defense can turn into lock down eventually

[D-West & PO-Z]

-- I've been trying to wonder if we're over stating the absence of Myles and simply talking him up more because he's not there so it's easy to do.... We're not. People forget how much better he got last year at driving to the hoop. Way more of an all around game last year. And he's technically the only true Xavier senior on this team that came as a freshman. Need his leadership


Totally agree. I dont think it is possible for us to overstate the absence of Myles Davis on this team.

[Xville]

Really sad. Was strolling through some clips from last year on Youtube. Watched some of the shootout and the Nova game. Last year might sting more than OSU/KSU/Pitt losses at least right now just cause us what could have been. Those other heart breaking losses I always knew in the back of my head those teams were eventually going to run out of gas. But last year had everything. My thoughts from watching last years team to this years:

-- Never thought we would miss Remy as much as we do. Malcolm has been solid so far, but Remy was so damn athletic and honestly important. Hit knock down shots and played great defense. Pushing the ball up the sideline to him is something we miss dearly.

-- I've been trying to wonder if we're over stating the absence of Myles and simply talking him up more because he's not there so it's easy to do.... We're not. People forget how much better he got last year at driving to the hoop. Way more of an all around game last year. And he's technically the only true Xavier senior on this team that came as a freshman. Need his leadership

-- Jalen and Jimmy were beasts in the post. But they too also had a lot of lapses. The bigs this year will never be as dominant offensively, but man they defend ball screens SOOO much better this year. Could be the key this year if their defense can turn into lock down eventually

Agree with all of this and in addition to the above stated, it was a down year in college basketball so the final four and/or the title was rie for the taking. This year, the top is again strong with maybe the best freshman class ever across the board.

[XUMIOH12]

You'd have to include Villanova's Hart, Jenkins, Brunsen, Bridges to that fearsome foursome of guards. All in double figures. 56.5 pts. a night from those four.

and Kansas with Mason, Graham, Jackson, Vick/Mykhailuk.

[XUMIOH12]

His first two years when he wasn't shooting well and wasn't flashing any high level athleticism, I didn't really see Myles doing a whole lot for us, but last year he really did do it all. He was automatic on spot up threes and probed the defense well and scored in the lane. Dude put up a triple double. I'll be pumped to see him back. Outside of Duke's Jackson/Allen/Kennard/Tatum nightmare Sumner/Bluiett/Macura/Davis is the best 4 guard tandem going.

Duke is nuts.

Xavier's 4 guard tandem is very good, but i don't think it is one of the elite ones in college basketball, if you can even rank 4 guard tandems haha

[XUMIOH12]

UCLA with Alford, Ball, Holiday, Hamilton

[scoscox]

Yes, looking back KU's is very good and Nova I think is a toss up, Hart pulls a lot of weight there. UCLA ehhhh not really. Kentucky Fox/Monk/Briscoe/whoever yes.
I'd go Duke, KU, Nova, Kentucky, Xavier. Creighton's is up there as well.

I agree with xufan. I'm also encouraged by the big guys lately. Rashid is putting in work lately and I think Tyrique can give us that attitude/swagger that Jalen provided on the boards and dunking that we weren't going to be bullied by anyone down low. Sean still needs to keep improving that will be a key and whatever Kaiser can give us down low. He hasn't really gotten back yet.

[XUMIOH12]

Yes, looking back KU's is very good and Nova I think is a toss up, Hart pulls a lot of weight there. UCLA ehhhh not really. Kentucky Fox/Monk/Briscoe/whoever yes.
I'd go Duke, KU, Nova, Kentucky, Xavier. Creighton's is up there as well.

I agree with xufan. I'm also encouraged by the big guys lately. Rashid is putting in work lately and I think Tyrique can give us that attitude/swagger that Jalen provided on the boards and dunking that we weren't going to be bullied by anyone down low. Sean still needs to keep improving that will be a key and whatever Kaiser can give us down low. He hasn't really gotten back yet.

it's pretty dumb to say not really about UCLA's four guards, especially at this point.

Creighton is up there, with their 3 great guards, not sure they have a 4th at all.

Xavier's combo is at least 6th

[xufan2434]

it's pretty dumb to say not really about UCLA's four guards, especially at this point.

Creighton is up there, with their 3 great guards, not sure they have a 4th at all.

Xavier's combo is at least 6th

Yeah Lonzo Ball is basically everything X fans wish Ed was. He'll be the best guard in the country by the end of the year IMO and real good chance as a Top 5 pick. Mix that in with Alford and they're already elite. And that's not including Holiday or Hamilton

[scoscox]

I had no idea how much Holiday and Hamilton were tearing it up to be honest. I personally think Malik Monk will end up being the best guard in the country, but there's also Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, DeAaron Fox, Frank Mason who could all probably claim it. And maybe this guy from central michigan Keene.

Depends on how much Myles gives us. If he ups his production at all, we'd be looking at four guys with lines as good as anyone's. I think the best and most dynamic teams tend to be the ones with 4 interchangeable guards since they control so much in college bball, so I'm optimistic and excited about Myles coming back.

BTW give me Sumner/Macura/Davis over Jenkins/Brunson/Bridges any day and twice on Sundays. Hart pulls a lot of weight though.

[Masterofreality]

Welp, despite our two losses, X is still #3 in the RPI behind Villanova & Baylor. We also have the #4 SOS, which won't change through the Big East schedule.
The Big East is #1 with a bullet in Conference RPI with also the #1 SOS.
I love this league. #NeverChange #SuckItCryers

[xukeith]

Welp, despite our two losses, X is still #3 in the RPI behind Villanova & Baylor. We also have the #4 SOS, which won't change through the Big East schedule.
The Big East is #1 with a bullet in Conference RPI with also the #1 SOS.
I love this league. #NeverChange #SuckItCryers

Looks very solid.

As the season progresses, Conferences will line up close to OOC winning %'s.
BE should be a 2nd or 3rd at end of season. Lots of solid bids to take.
Just win!

[paulxu]

The Big East has 1/3rd of the top 12 RPI. That's impressive by any measure.

[Xtemporaneous]

The Big East has 1/3rd of the top 12 RPI. That's impressive by any measure.

This is incredible. I absolutely LOVE the BIGEAST!

[X-band '01]

Xavier remains #17 in AP (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1)

Villanova is #1, Creighton moved up to #9 and Butler made the biggest move up to #13 this week.

UC also moved up a spot to #24.

[X-man]

This is incredible. I absolutely LOVE the BIGEAST!

Me too. Palm has seven BE teams in his bracket this week.

[XU 87]

Welp, despite our two losses, X is still #3 in the RPI behind Villanova & Baylor. We also have the #4 SOS, which won't change through the Big East schedule.
The Big East is #1 with a bullet in Conference RPI with also the #1 SOS.
I love this league. #NeverChange #SuckItCryers

We're far enough in the season where RPI has some meaning to it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Me too. Palm has seven BE teams in his bracket this week.

The A10 is pathetic this year. Looking to "Juan" and "Otto" Bidoso's

[XUFan09]

We're far enough in the season where RPI has some meaning to it.
Not really. The design is intended for a complete season.

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[GoMuskies]

Saying that the RPI has a "design" is very generous. Very generous indeed.

[GoMuskies]

I see that the Sagarin ratings have Big East as the #3 league right now. Unlikely to jump any higher than that, but almost impossible to fall below #4 at this point.

Check out the Big XII, though. According to Sagarin, the Big XII's WORST team is Texas at #75. I don't think people in Austin are going to be much pleased with Shaka if his team finishes last in the league, but that's pretty amazing if all ten of their teams are among the 75 best in all the land.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/sagarin/2017/conference/

[XUFan09]

Saying that the RPI has a "design" is very generous. Very generous indeed.
Actually, RPI has a fundamentally sound design. Its flaw is the underlying premise that wins and losses are more important than margin of victory.

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[Olsingledigit]

I am OK with 17 until we start playing better.

[GoMuskies]

Actually, RPI has a fundamentally sound design. Its flaw is the underlying premise that wins and losses are more important than margin of victory.


Yeah, I think the second statement undermines the first pretty strongly.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, I think the second statement undermines the first pretty strongly.
Not really, because they are talking about two different things, reliability and validity.

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[GoMuskies]

I guess if you likely reliably invalid stats, the RPI is great then.

[XUFan09]

I guess if you likely reliably invalid stats, the RPI is great then.
I also disagree with that. RPI isn't great; it does a decent job assessing what a team had accomplished that season but nothing special. Advanced metrics are just far superior, especially when it comes to assessing the difficulty of an opponent.

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[X-band '01]

AP Poll - 12/26 (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/2016/week-8)

Little change this week - Xavier still #17, Nova #1 and Butler #13. Creighton dropped a spot to #10 (since Louisville climbed 4 spots for beating Kentucky). UC also climbed a spot up to #23, and Virginia Tech makes their Top 25 debut at #25 under Buzz Williams.

[paulxu]

Wonder where we'd be if we hit one more 3 pointer against Colorado.

[rickf]

Top 10 for sure

[X-band '01]

AP Poll - 12/26 (http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/2016/week-8)

Little change this week - Xavier still #17, Nova #1 and Butler #13. Creighton dropped a spot to #10 (since Louisville climbed 4 spots for beating Kentucky). UC also climbed a spot up to #23, and Virginia Tech makes their Top 25 debut at #25 under Buzz Williams.

Creighton also #9 in the USA Today Coaches' Poll - the other rankings in the Big East are the same as the AP (Nova #1, Butler #13, X #17).

[D-West & PO-Z]

X #15

Baylor #1.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Nova #3
Creighton #8
Butler #12

Amazing that out next 3 conference opponents are ranked in the top 12. Who would have imagined that not too long ago?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Along with the 4 BE teams in the Top 15, Seton Hall just on the outside of the Top 25 with the most votes in the "others receiving votes" section.

[GoMuskies]

Who would have believed that when the C7 reached out to Butler, Xavier and Creighton that we would be saving THEIR bacon? Obviously, Nova is the juggernaut of the league still, and thank God we have one, but without the three new members the Big East would be a slightly improved version of the WCC this year (Gonzaga and the dwarfs).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Who would have believed that when the C7 reached out to Butler, Xavier and Creighton that we would be saving THEIR bacon? Obviously, Nova is the juggernaut of the league still, and thank God we have one, but without the three new members the Big East would be a slightly improved version of the WCC this year (Gonzaga and the dwarfs).

Yeah great point.

Marquette and Georgetown hold a lot of the blame imo. Depaul and St. Johns werent that great in old BE (at least recently. Seton Hall has been a pretty good program in the BE since we joined. Providence has been pretty good as well.

Marquette and Georgetown need to get their shit together.

[xufan2434]

Yeah great point.

Marquette and Georgetown hold a lot of the blame imo. Depaul and St. Johns werent that great in old BE (at least recently. Seton Hall has been a pretty good program in the BE since we joined. Providence has been pretty good as well.

Marquette and Georgetown need to get their shit together.

Seton Hall and Providence have been better than expected. Neither of them were ever that relevant in the old league (Outside of Ryan Gomes). Marquette I would give somewhat a pass because Buzz kinda screwed em over. I still think Wojo will right the ship, they're still really young. He's recruiting pretty well.

GTown on the other hand... my God. It's been a running joke since last year, but it's actually starting to get really embarrassing.

[GoMuskies]

GTown on the other hand... my God. It's been a running joke since last year, but it's actually starting to get really embarrassing.

If they lose to St. John's to fall to 0-5, the unthinkable just might happen. Thompson last name and all.

[Drew]

I wonder how much Marquette and Georgetown fans ascribe their failures to conference realignment. I'd imagine a lot.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wonder how much Marquette and Georgetown fans ascribe their failures to conference realignment. I'd imagine a lot.

I bet so too, but if they look at Nova it puts that to rest.

[GoMuskies]

I bet so too, but if they look at Nova it puts that to rest.

And Providence and Seton Hall.

I don't know about Marquette, but Georgetown fans during Big East realignment reminded me a bit of Charlotte fans when they moved to the A-10. Charlotte fans were completely defeated by the break-up of C-USA and their subsequent "fall" to the A-10. They let it destroy their program. Look at where they are now (7-8, 1-3 in the 22nd best conference according to Sagarin).

[THRILLHOUSE]

I wonder how much Marquette and Georgetown fans ascribe their failures to conference realignment. I'd imagine a lot.

Georgetown fans whined the most after realignment. So, yeah, probably a lot.

At least initially. They should realize now that Thompson is the issue, and they probably would've fallen this far regardless of who's in the conference.

[XUFan09]

Georgetown fans whined the most after realignment. So, yeah, probably a lot.

At least initially. They should realize now that Thompson is the issue, and they probably would've fallen this far regardless of who's in the conference.

Yeah, the only way conference realignment could have possibly hurt them is that a true round-robin made it so that conference opponents got really used to their style of play. That sort of excuse is weak as hell, though.

[kyxu]

Who would have believed that when the C7 reached out to Butler, Xavier and Creighton that we would be saving THEIR bacon? Obviously, Nova is the juggernaut of the league still, and thank God we have one, but without the three new members the Big East would be a slightly improved version of the WCC this year (Gonzaga and the dwarfs).

Another point to add -- if things hold as they are, Xavier and Nova are the only conference teams to go to the tournament every year since the formation of the new Big East.

[MD Muskie]

And Providence and Seton Hall.

I don't know about Marquette, but Georgetown fans during Big East realignment reminded me a bit of Charlotte fans when they moved to the A-10. Charlotte fans were completely defeated by the break-up of C-USA and their subsequent "fall" to the A-10. They let it destroy their program. Look at where they are now (7-8, 1-3 in the 22nd best conference according to Sagarin).

Prior to last year I was giving Gtown the benefit of the doubt because when they are an annual tourny team, it always benefits the conference. But after last years game when we were in the Top 10 and they were fighting for their tourny lives and absolutely no one showed up for the game in late January, I gave up on them. You can tell from their fan base that they are annoyed that they don't get to play Louisville, Syracuse, and even Notre Dame anymore. Nova accepted the new Big East, Gtown felt slighted. So after last year, I would be happy if they went winless as the fan base deserves it.

[outsideobserver11]

Who would have believed that when the C7 reached out to Butler, Xavier and Creighton that we would be saving THEIR bacon? Obviously, Nova is the juggernaut of the league still, and thank God we have one, but without the three new members the Big East would be a slightly improved version of the WCC this year (Gonzaga and the dwarfs).

I'm actually not too surprised. Look at how good those 3 were without a conference like the Big East, putting them in a big time conference like this is only going to elevate them even more.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I am admittedly somewhat surprised by Creighton's early and sustained success. I thought they would have longer to recover after Dougie McBuckets left. That may have just been my own ignorance though.

[xubrew]

Who would have believed that when the C7 reached out to Butler, Xavier and Creighton that we would be saving THEIR bacon? Obviously, Nova is the juggernaut of the league still, and thank God we have one, but without the three new members the Big East would be a slightly improved version of the WCC this year (Gonzaga and the dwarfs).

Hmmm, as I recall there were some people that would have found this very easy to believe. I remember there were those of us that hated the A10 (at least the leadership of it), and wanted to leave without waiting on the Big East. We could have put together a league that would have been every bit as good, and perhaps better, than what the C7 could have offered. Xavier, Butler, Dayton, SLU (who I know sucks now but at the time was showing quite a bit of promise), VCU, Wichita, and Creighton would have been a much stronger nucleus for a league than the C7 at the time. Xavier and Butler had been completely outperforming the C7 when the split occurred. It really wasn't outrageous to think we'd be saving their bacon at the time, and it's not surprising that's how it is playing out.

I love what we have now, but I feel like we could have had it sooner. We were good enough, and there were enough other schools that were good enough, to where we could have built a great league without waiting on the Big East. At the very least it would have been tons better than the old A10.

[GoMuskies]

I'm glad we didn't do that league.

[GoMuskies]

I am admittedly somewhat surprised by Creighton's early and sustained success. I thought they would have longer to recover after Dougie McBuckets left. That may have just been my own ignorance though.

I was 100% confident in Xavier. I was 0% confident in Creighton, and I was about 25% confident in Butler.

[xubrew]

I was 100% confident in Xavier. I was 0% confident in Creighton, and I was about 25% confident in Butler.

Ehh, I liked Creighton a lot more than most of the C7 at the time. I sure as hell liked them more than most of the A10. But, it all worked out.

But to your point I'm still not completely confident in McDermott. As good as he's been for the first 2/3rds of each season throughout his career, he is below .500 in his career throughout the last ten games. I reserve the right to keep criticizing him for that until that changes. As good as they've been so far, and they have looked good, I'm still thinking the chances of them tanking the second half of conference play are well over fifty percent, as are the chances of not getting past the Round of 32....if they even make it that far.

If people think I'm crazy for saying that, then that's fine. But, I've said it before about him, and I'm going to keep saying about him and about Creighton until it finally stops happening. When Creighton got off to their great start my thinking wasn't "Wow, Creighton is actually good." My thinking was "Well, here we go again." That is still my thinking.

[bleedXblue]

Ehh, I liked Creighton a lot more than most of the C7 at the time. I sure as hell liked them more than most of the A10. But, it all worked out.

But to your point I'm still not completely confident in McDermott. As good as he's been for the first 2/3rds of each season throughout his career, he is below .500 in his career throughout the last ten games. I reserve the right to keep criticizing him for that until that changes. As good as they've been so far, and they have looked good, I'm still thinking the chances of them tanking the second half of conference play are well over fifty percent, as are the chances of not getting past the Round of 32....if they even make it that far.

If people think I'm crazy for saying that, then that's fine. But, I've said it before about him, and I'm going to keep saying about him and about Creighton until it finally stops happening. When Creighton got off to their great start my thinking wasn't "Wow, Creighton is actually good." My thinking was "Well, here we go again." That is still my thinking.

Did you really go back and calculate the games to determine he's below .500 the last part of seasons?

[xubrew]

Did you really go back and calculate the games to determine he's below .500 the last part of seasons?

I really did. For him and for about fifty others on various points of emphasis including last ten games, and their performance when playing a team for the second time. And I have very little doubt that it landed on someone's desk who never looked at it.

[American X]

Does Xavier sneak back into the AP poll tomorrow?

[Masterofreality]

Does Xavier sneak back into the AP poll tomorrow?

Yeah.

These polls are in chaos...and the Big Dance will be too.

I'm afraid Creighton may drop out though. They shouldn't but some flavor of the week will sneak in.

[bleedXblue]

Does Xavier sneak back into the AP poll tomorrow?

Yes, and our RPI jumped to 8th with the W.

[xavierj]

Yeah.

These polls are in chaos...and the Big Dance will be too.

I'm afraid Creighton may drop out though. They shouldn't but some flavor of the week will sneak in.

Creighton should stay in. They crushed Butler on the road this week. If they fall out it's a joke. They are 19-4.

[GoMuskies]

Not really sure who's going to jump back in that could knock Creighton out. Iowa State? Wichita State (which Shocker fans would enjoy)? K-State had three losses in a row before beating Baylor.

[xu82]

Creighton should stay in. They crushed Butler on the road this week. If they fall out it's a joke. They are 19-4.

It's actually 20-4, and I was surprised they were not higher in the polls before last night.

[scoscox]

It's actually 20-4, and I was surprised they were not higher in the polls before last night.

Yea, but they got slaughtered by both Marquette and Georgetown. Twenty point loss to G-Town is gonna drop you

[paulxu]

If the top 25 were done by RPI (I know it's bogus) this is what you would see:

ACC 5
BE 4 (all 15 or better)
B10 4 (all 19 or below)
SEC 3
P12 3
B12 2
AAC 2
WCC 2

[bjf123]

Looking at the top 10 in RPI, our SOS at #5 is second only to Baylor at #2. FWIW, Gonzaga's SOS is #87.


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[Emp]

Gifts you don't often get at Omaha: 11-21 free throw shooting ; blown layups and turnovers late.

Mack teams always have grit. We don't matchup well with athletic teams, but we don't lose often for lack of effort

[bleedXblue]

Gifts you don't often get at Omaha: 11-21 free throw shooting ; blown layups and turnovers late.

Mack teams always have grit. We don't matchup well with athletic teams, but we don't lose often for lack of effort

In all fairness, Gaston gifted Creighton late at the Cintas with 2-3 put backs at the end of the game that he couldn't convert. I think he makes that easy put back and we go up by one with 10 seconds left.

[paulxu]

I think these are the sheets the committee ends up using when they start the selection process.
These are from February 1st. They seem to focus on Top 50, not necessarily Top 25. They are also RPI focused.
I wonder with the meeting they recently had, will the other metrics be melded into this sheet for committee review.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/Feb.%201%20Team%20Sheets.pdf

[muskiefan82]

I think these are the sheets the committee ends up using when they start the selection process.
These are from February 1st. They seem to focus on Top 50, not necessarily Top 25. They are also RPI focused.
I wonder with the meeting they recently had, will the other metrics be melded into this sheet for committee review.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/Feb.%201%20Team%20Sheets.pdf

My God Missouri is awful. X really dodged one there.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is 24th in the AP poll. One spot behind Creighton and one ahead of UC's next opponent, SMU.

[kyxu]

Xavier is 24th in the AP poll. One spot behind Creighton and one ahead of UC's next opponent, SMU.

There's no team in the top 25 with as many losses as Xavier. We're getting plenty of respect this year from the polls, that's for sure.

[xubrew]

I think these are the sheets the committee ends up using when they start the selection process.
These are from February 1st. They seem to focus on Top 50, not necessarily Top 25. They are also RPI focused.
I wonder with the meeting they recently had, will the other metrics be melded into this sheet for committee review.

https://extra.ncaa.org/solutions/rpi/Stats%20Library/Feb.%201%20Team%20Sheets.pdf

That is one of the sheets.

There are also sheets for conference rankings both in and out of league play, team by team rankings within a conference (which is more important than the conference standings because so many of the leagues are unbalanced), a nitty gritty sheet, an adjusted RPI page (I have no idea what the adjustment is or how much it matters), a page focusing only on out of conference games and rankings, and "supplimental documents" which as I understand it is anything else that they might request such as power rankings and things like that.

[X-band '01]

There's no team in the top 25 with as many losses as Xavier. We're getting plenty of respect this year from the polls, that's for sure.

It helps that 5 of those 6 losses are against Top 25 teams. Xavier doesn't get back in the AP Poll if not for the sweep last week.

Staying ranked will be challenging with the 2nd half of Big East play coming up. Xavier finally gets to play their first DePaul card, but there's also Nova and then 3 straight road games at Providence, Marquette and Seton Hall after that. Winning at least 3 out of those 5 would be helpful - anything above that should be gravy at this point.

[GoMuskies]

Coaches think we're the 25th best team in America. The coaches are having a harder time than the media in realizing that Kentucky kinda sucks.

[Xville]

Coaches think we're the 25th best team in America. The coaches are having a harder time than the media in realizing that Kentucky kinda sucks.

So does Kansas. Name on the front of the jersey goes a long way

[GoMuskies]

If this most recent police investigation in Lawrence costs them Jackson, they're completely screwed. I would want them in our bracket for sure at that point.

[Olsingledigit]

My God Missouri is awful. X really dodged one there.

No kidding. How could a team from a major conference fall that far? Even DePaul is 227. Alums have to be tearing their hair out. The football team was 4-8. Lots of dobbers down at Mizzou.

[SemajParlor]

I miss the days of Frank Haith, aka the NCAA's Stringer Bell.

[GetUp5]

So does Kansas. Name on the front of the jersey goes a long way

Kansas sucks? #CMONMAN

[X-band '01]

I miss the days of Frank Haith, aka the NCAA's Charles Miner.

Fixed that for you Semaj.

[GoMuskies]

In what must be a surprise to no one, Xavier is out of the AP poll. Second in others receiving votes.

[X-band '01]

I think the polls are starting to mirror what the Selection Committee revealed last Saturday. I was a little surprised that Wichita State didn't crack the Top 25 yet.

[GoMuskies]

Notre Dame had a better week.

[xubrew]

In what must be a surprise to no one, Xavier is out of the AP poll. Second in others receiving votes.

Being ranked in the top ten in February is much better than being ranked in the top ten in preseason. Last year we weren't ranked in the preseason at all, but landed in the top ten at this juncture. I liked last year better.

[xavierj]

Being ranked in the top ten in February is much better than being ranked in the top ten in preseason. Last year we weren't ranked in the preseason at all, but landed in the top ten at this juncture. I liked last year better.

I would prefer March to be at your best. But Trevon would have to be healthy for that to happen.

[XfansinKy]

#7 this week

Enjoy making fun of me while you can. When you lose you say little, but win you win you say less. I don't think they teach that to B Team players so I wanted to let you know because you obviously don't. It's cool. If Tre has an awesome game against Providence I won't call you out. I don't gloat.

[GoMuskies]

Wtf?

[STL_XUfan]

Wtf?
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[xubrew]

Wtf?


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[Xville]

Kansas sucks? #CMONMAN

Sucks is probably a bit harsh for then but I think they are overrated. Barely squeaking by mediocre teams is an indicator that you may not be as good as your ranking. I know a win is a win and they have beaten Baylor, but they also lost to Iowa state at home and without the refs help would have lost to k state as well. I have watched quite a few of their games, and I just don't come away very impressed.

[Xville]

^

Either someone hacked his account or he's been on one hell of a bender.

[XfansinKy]

DWest POZ wants to pull up month old posts about myself and some others who questioned Tre's athletic ability so he can say, "Hey look at me look at me! I was right and am calling them names like stupid and ignorant with posts over and over again." I don't mind busting balls and 99% of my posts are in support even in the face of disaster. I don't wish Tre I'll will, especially when he comes from the same type family I do. I've known bullies and know it all ike DWest PoZ all my life. Once he carried on and on I'd had enough. Fuck him. Career BTeamer obviously. Busting balls is what fans do. Make it personal and I'll shoot back and don't care how many don't like it. I've got plenty in my inbox that are sick of his "Let me correct you" attitude too. More than any of those of you making smart ass comments trying to be clever but failing miserably. If you think um gonna sit back quietly and watch you call me names and make fun of me yourey mistaken Keep it up and I'll hit every post you make.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wtf?


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[D-West & PO-Z]

DWest POZ wants to pull up month old posts about myself and some others who questioned Tre's athletic ability so he can say, "Hey look at me look at me! I was right and am calling them names like stupid and ignorant with posts over and over again." I don't mind busting balls and 99% of my posts are in support even in the face of disaster. I don't wish Tre I'll will, especially when he comes from the same type family I do. I've known bullies and know it all ike DWest PoZ all my life. Once he carried on and on I'd had enough. Fuck him. Career BTeamer obviously. Busting balls is what fans do. Make it personal and I'll shoot back and don't care how many don't like it. I've got plenty in my inbox that are sick of his "Let me correct you" attitude too. More than any of those of you making smart ass comments trying to be clever but failing miserably. If you think um gonna sit back quietly and watch you call me names and make fun of me yourey mistaken Keep it up and I'll hit every post you make.

Alrighty then.......

[D-West & PO-Z]

And I will have you know I was a proud B teamer. One of the highlights of my athletic career happened on the B team in 8th grade basketball.

27 points! I was unstoppable that game. B teamers need lovin too!

[D-West & PO-Z]

DWest POZ wants to pull up month old posts about myself and some others who questioned Tre's athletic ability so he can say, "Hey look at me look at me! I was right and am calling them names like stupid and ignorant with posts over and over again." I don't mind busting balls and 99% of my posts are in support even in the face of disaster. I don't wish Tre I'll will, especially when he comes from the same type family I do. I've known bullies and know it all ike DWest PoZ all my life. Once he carried on and on I'd had enough. Fuck him. Career BTeamer obviously. Busting balls is what fans do. Make it personal and I'll shoot back and don't care how many don't like it. I've got plenty in my inbox that are sick of his "Let me correct you" attitude too. More than any of those of you making smart ass comments trying to be clever but failing miserably. If you think um gonna sit back quietly and watch you call me names and make fun of me yourey mistaken Keep it up and I'll hit every post you make.

And just to clarify you wont find one post where I called you any name. In no way did I make it personal, you are the only one who has done that.

You were the one who said you feared the BE was too athletic for Tre to be successful. You made fun of his "little 3 point set shot" and him beating up on cupcakes in the non conference and listed numerous "deficiencies" of his. When myself and another poster really questioned you on that in the moment and how he was a 1st team BE player the year before you said if Tre proves you wrong you'd buy us a beer in your one yearly trip to Cintas.

2 weeks later someone posted about Trevon's stellar play in the "Trevon is man" thread where I responded with some of the quotes that had been said about Trevon. Most where yours but I did not attribute them to you or anyone just put the statements no names and I said cant wait for that beer.

I never called you a name or got personal. You've now apparently had at least 2 posts deleted about me (so Ive been told unfortunately I didnt get to see them). Sorry I touched a nerve. I have no problem with you.......other than you owe me a beer.

[paulxu]

......other than you owe me a beer.

Speaking of which, where the hell have Kahns and Snipe been? They both owe me a beer.

[xu82]

Catch me at Dana's and I'll buy you all a beer. Relax, folks. We're all on the same side, even if we disagree from time to time.

(By "you all", I will define that at the time of purchase, lest my credit card get maxed out on a heavy game day!)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Speaking of which, where the hell have Kahns and Snipe been? They both owe me a beer.

Very convenient of them to disappear huh Paul?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Catch me at Dana's and I'll buy you all a beer. Relax, folks. We're all on the same side, even if we disagree from time to time.

(By "you all", I will define that at the time of purchase, lest my credit card get maxed out on a heavy game day!)

HAHA good clarification on the "you all" there!

And I am kidding on the beer.

You are right we are all pro XU. I can buy my own beers!

[xu82]

HAHA good clarification on the "you all" there!

And I am kidding on the beer.

You are right we are all pro XU. I can buy my own beers!

But I'd be happy to buy you one!

[XMuskieFTW]

Enjoy making fun of me while you can. When you lose you say little, but win you win you say less. I don't think they teach that to B Team players so I wanted to let you know because you obviously don't. It's cool. If Tre has an awesome game against Providence I won't call you out. I don't gloat.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTFwAxfHgSA

[XUMIOH12]

well this has been fairly entertaining

[XfansinKy]

Very convenient of them to disappear huh Paul?

I obviously haven't. Wrong again buddy.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I obviously haven't. Wrong again buddy.

Try again.

[XUFan09]

I obviously haven't. Wrong again buddy.
He's referring to Kahns and Snipe. Try to keep up.

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[xubrew]

I obviously haven't. Wrong again buddy.

Well, maybe you should.

You're all worked up because of what a bunch of people you don't know, and wouldn't be able to identify even if you met them, who also don't know you and wouldn't be able to identify you if they ever met you, are saying. It's aliases interacting with aliases. That's all it is. If you're legitimately upset about something, which you appear to be, then maybe you should just turn your computer off. To me this place is a very welcome distraction even when I'm getting slammed, which often happens, and if I'm honest I often open the door to it. If I was ever bothered by it I'd just leave. It's very easy to turn off.

[GoMuskies]

We've lost all of our votes in the AP poll this week (understandably), putting us behind Vermont in that poll (not understandably).

Sneaking up time, people!

[GoMuskies]

11 votes in the Coaches' poll, meaning they're either much smarter than the writers or that they don't really pay attention. You decide.

[xubrew]

We've lost all of our votes in the AP poll this week (understandably), putting us behind Vermont in that poll (not understandably).

Sneaking up time, people!

It's entirely understandable. It's just not correct. Vermont hasn't lost since early December. You move up by not losing when others around you lose, even if you're beating sub NIT teams and other teams are losing to other ranked teams. That's why. It's wrong, but that's why.

Having said that, Vermont is good enough to beat a #4 seed. Now, understand what I mean by that. Being good enough to beat a team on a given day doesn't necessarily mean you're as good as that team. But, if a #4 seed overlooks them I think Vermont can really make them sweat and even beat them.

[casualfan]

It's entirely understandable. It's just not correct. Vermont hasn't lost since early December. You move up by not losing when others around you lose, even if you're beating sub NIT teams and other teams are losing to other ranked teams. That's why. It's wrong, but that's why.

Having said that, Vermont is good enough to beat a #4 seed. Now, understand what I mean by that. Being good enough to beat a team on a given day doesn't necessarily mean you're as good as that team. But, if a #4 seed overlooks them I think Vermont can really make them sweat and even beat them.

Teams Vermont is ranked ahead of in kenpom:

Texas
Oklahoma
Illinois
Colorado
Penn State
Georgia Tech
Iowa


Those are all teams that have beaten multiple tournament teams throughout the season.

[Masterofreality]

Well, I guess we can put a cap on this thread. :sadwave::sadwave:

[GoMuskies]

Well, I guess we can put a cap on this thread. :sadwave::sadwave:

The coaches' poll isn't out yet. One of the voters who gave us the 11 points last week may still be living under a rock, so there's hope yet!

[GoMuskies]

Xavier got 8 votes in this week's coaches' poll! LOL

[Masterofreality]

Xavier got 8 votes in this week's coaches' poll! LOL

Probably from Chris Holtman.

[GoMuskies]

We finally lost all our votes in the Coaches' Poll.

[muskiefan82]

At last. They can finally sneak up on people again. This whole season has been about getting back to sneaking up on people. Right?