Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

Guessing you don:t like the des moines poll

L

This poll? Seems pretty standard for Iowa.

https://emersoncollegepolling.com/november-2024-iowa-poll-trump-53-harris-43/

[GoMuskies]

most are just happy that they get to go out to the bars tonight and then sleep in tomorrow

I've never read something that gives me more hope for the future of America.

[bobbiemcgee]

Des moines poll Register 47-44 Harris.

[GoMuskies]

That poll is a major outlier. But go get some +400 (just switched to +375) Harris money on Betonline if you think it's real. I just got $10 down on it. Why not?

[xuphan]

Yeah, I am in rural southern Ohio....definitely Trump heavy redneck country. Even if he loses, there will be zero issues here.

I predicted he is going down immediately after the debate...and nothing has changed. The "Never Trump" vote is just too significant.

There will be an angry MAGA response....but where and how? It is logical to think it will be in swing state capitals or DC again. The only question is how it gets organized.

Bad place for America.

Ya, I still feel like this is a 50/50 contest that will be drawn out weeks after the election on Tuesday. Both parties could have easily secured victory by choosing different candidates. I absolutely expect another stop the steal type of event or events from MAGA to be more intense than it was last election cycle. Trump will never admit defeat nomatter the loss and his base will support him to the ends of the Earth. Not sure what to expect from Democrats if they will start their own election interference protest if Trump wins. Maybe Obama, Bernie and Nancy will hold a rally on the southern border. Who knows.

[Muskie in dayton]

My employer sent out a notice to employees to work from home today and tomorrow if our office is located in the city, and to maintain "situational awareness" at all times regardless of where we live. That is what our country has become. It was quite the eye-opener.

Lord please be with our country today and bless us with a free and fair election. You have a plan, and we know the results of this election are part of your plan. Help all Americans to respect the winner and remember that regardless of who wins, you are ultimately in charge. Please bring an end to, and complete reconciliation for - the hate and divisive rhetoric that has filled the airwaves during this campaign cycle. We are all humans created in your image, and we are all Americans. I ask for forgiveness for such rhetoric I spread. May the next President and all those elected today govern with your guiding hand for the good of our republic and for all Americans. May they protect the freedom that is given by you, and always act in a manner consistent with Jesus' teachings, for the entirety of their terms.

[GoMuskies]

The momentum is obviously all with Harris as we come down to the wire, although they ticked back towards Trump just a bit in the last 24 hours.

Trump -147
Harris +127

Polymarket has Trump with a 57.9% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Happy Election Day! Walked right up and voted with no line this morning. Deep red Republican territory, so good news for Democrats? Or just another example of structural racism with it being really easy for white folks to vote? You decide!

Final pre-polls closing morning check on the betting markets. I guess Trump is getting a Rogan endorsement bump, as he got a jolt in the betting markets in the last 24 hours. I'm mostly kidding about the Rogan endorsement bump, but his listeners might be more likely to be the type of person to participate in election wagering markets.

Trump -172
Harris +150

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.6% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

No idea when wagering stops on polymarket. Betonline will keep taking wagers until the winner is obvious.

[Xville]

In all seriousness, it looks like the Senate is going to the Republicans and the House to the dems. The house has been a complete clusterfuck with the 'pubs controlling it, so honestly im pretty happy to see that switch over, and its nice to have the balance of the pubs in the Senate.

[GoMuskies]

A Trump win and Republican Senate would probably mean a quick retirement for 76 year old Clarence Thomas. Maybe also for 74 year old Samuel Alito.

[STL_XUfan]

A Trump win and Republican Senate would probably mean a quick retirement for 76 year old Clarence Thomas. Maybe also for 74 year old Samuel Alito.

Followed by the quick appointment of whoever wins the Heritage Foundation's annual 10k race.

[GoMuskies]

Followed by the quick appointment of whoever wins the Heritage Foundation's annual 10k race.

I get this is a joke, but the Federalist Society is the group who has handled Trump's Supreme Court nominations in the past. Presumably that would continue.

You can decide whether you prefer them to Heritage.

[STL_XUfan]

I get this is a joke, but the Federalist Society is the group who has handled Trump's Supreme Court nominations in the past. Presumably that would continue.

You can decide whether you prefer them to Heritage.

You are right. I let the speed of making the joke outweigh fact checking it. I am shamefaced.

[GoMuskies]

Is Paul volunteering as a poll worker in the Clemson area?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42212275/clemson-coach-dabo-swinney-blocked-voting-election

[paulxu]

Hah!

Actually that's a little strange. Here in Spartanburg, they scan the bar code on the back of our South Carolina driver's license, and the info pops up on the computer and it spits out the ballot.

Maybe his son was driving with his license :)

[GoMuskies]

As polls get ready to close, Betonline has moved the Presidential race into its "live odds" category.

Trump -162, Harris +142 currently.

Should be an interesting evening.

[X-band '01]

Is Paul volunteering as a poll worker in the Clemson area?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/42212275/clemson-coach-dabo-swinney-blocked-voting-election

I didn't know Clemsoning extended to politics.

[Xville]

Seems that Kamala is underperforming

[GoMuskies]

I just got some Kamala +215 action. Last time I got Biden +600 at like midnight. Long way to go.

[Xville]

I just got some Kamala +215 action. Last time I got Biden +600 at like midnight. Long way to go.

Makes sense. All these swing states look extremely close.

[Xville]

Savannah sellers on nbc really has the hot nerd librarian thing going on

[Strange Brew]

Savannah sellers on nbc really has the hot nerd librarian thing going on

Comcast knows what they’re doing. ;)

[GoMuskies]

Harris +340 now. I really never dreamed we'd be in this position again with Trump staring the Presidency right in the nuts again. At least this time he has a transition team and is trying to be prepared. In 2016 he was clearly shocked he won and had no plan.

I see Harris +425. Trump's gains with black voters seems to be the key so far. Obviously, I know a lot of you don't want Trump to win, but it's kind of healthy for black voters to not all want to vote for the same party.

+575

[xuwillie]

Bitcoin is going crazy

[Xville]

Selzer is a dumbass

[Xville]

Harris +340 now. I really never dreamed we'd be in this position again with Trump staring the Presidency right in the nuts again. At least this time he has a transition team and is trying to be prepared. In 2016 he was clearly shocked he won and had no plan.

I see Harris +425. Trump's gains with black voters seems to be the key so far. Obviously, I know a lot of you don't want Trump to win, but it's kind of healthy for black voters to not all want to vote for the same party.

+575

Huge boost with Latino voters as well.

[Xville]

Reading the meltdowns on x right now is glorious

[GoMuskies]

Reading the meltdowns on x right now is glorious

Lots of Russian interference claims. What's old is new again.

Bunch of election deniers.

[Xville]

Definitely should have had Shapiro as running mate. Picking walz was the nail in the coffin if indeed trump pulls this out

[paulxu]

I wonder what our allies must think of the US, if we in fact elect a convicted felon, guilty of sexual assault, to be the leader of the free world.
Makes it a little tough to take the high ground.

[Strange Brew]

Lots of Russian interference claims. What's old is new again.

Bunch of election deniers.

Moreno calling this a Red, White and Blue wave was great marketing. Well done.

[GoMuskies]

I wonder what our allies must think of the US, if we in fact elect a convicted felon, guilty of sexual assault, to be the leader of the free world.
Makes it a little tough to take the high ground.

Probably something along the lines of, "Well.....at least it's not that idiot Harris."

[GoMuskies]

The MSNBC guy working the map is pretty fantastic.

Trump winning NC despite that idiot Robinson is pretty amazing.

No Harris concession tonight.

[noteggs]

Probably something along the lines of, "Well.....at least it's not that idiot Harris."

Lol. That’s funny!

[Muskie in dayton]

They ran a hoax about how he was elected in 2016
They lied many times to slander him
They impeached him unsuccessfully twice
They rigged an election to get him out
They staged an “insurrection” and blamed it on him
They files dozens of bogus charges
They practiced lawfare to extort him
They shot him
They tried to shoot him again
They called him a Nazi and Hitler
He is now President again.

[Masterofreality]

MAGA!!
Paul is now free to move out of the country.
MANDATE! The USA is saved from idiocy.

[Xville]

First act: kick Obama out of Washington.

Second act: get a plane ready for all the celebrities that try to tell us how to think and feel.

Final act: make media accountable.

[Xville]

Probably something along the lines of, "Well.....at least it's not that idiot Harris."

Correct.

Shapiro wins in a landslide. The dems could have picked anyone they wanted, and she is who they came up with. Pure stupidity.

[Xuperman]

The Obama's
The Clinton's
T Swift
Oprah
Beyonce
And a relentless MSM propaganda machine

Just WoW!

[xuphan]

Correct.

Shapiro wins in a landslide. The dems could have picked anyone they wanted, and she is who they came up with. Pure stupidity.

Ya, everyone associated with running the DNC should be removed from their positions immediately. They just lost to Donald Trump in the electoral and popular vote and it wasn’t even close. Talk about not reading the room when hand picking Harris to replace Biden. Not a fan of Trump but man he has had one heck of a political ride these last 8 years. Will be interesting to see what happens in his final 4 year act.

[xuwillie]

Was watching CNN last night, not sure if it held but they showed that Harris didn’t outperform Biden in one single county. You know just how hard that is to do?!

[Xville]

I guess dems will have to move away from the electoral college being the source of all their problems. lol. I wonder what’s next.

[paulxu]

When my daughters and granddaughters ask me if I voted for a sexual assaulter and convicted felon for president of the country I love....

I'm going to be proud to say that I did not. Not sure how you live with yourself if you did.

[Xville]

When my daughters and granddaughters ask me if I voted for a sexual assaulter and convicted felon for president of the country I love....

I'm going to be proud to say that I did not. Not sure how you live with yourself if you did.

I’m going to be proud to say I didn’t vote for men in women’s dressing rooms, men in women’s sports, gender surgeries and other extreme left bullshit. You’re welcome

[bjf123]

I switched between the morning shows on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and Newsnation (becoming a fan of theirs). Everyone on Fox was smiling. The talking heads on CNN and MSNBC look like they’re fighting back tears. Newsnation was just reporting results.


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[paulxu]

I’m going to be proud to say I didn’t vote for men in women’s dressing rooms,.....

Guess I'm proud of you then:


Trump has boasted in the past, during a 2005 segment of the Howard Stern show, about being able to view beauty contestants naked.

“I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else,” he said, in a tape obtained by CNN. “And you know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it. ‘Is everyone OK?’ You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.”

[Xville]

Let this be a lesson to everyone again that polls are really effing stupid and they should be eliminated. They are never correct.

[Xville]

I switched between the morning shows on Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and Newsnation (becoming a fan of theirs). Everyone on Fox was smiling. The talking heads on CNN and MSNBC look like they’re fighting back tears. Newsnation was just reporting results.


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X this morning is absolutely glorious. Of course all the left can say is everyone is racist, sexist, transit or whatever other ist. They still don’t get it.

People don’t like being told how to think or feel.

[Xville]

Guess I'm proud of you then:

I’m sorry your kin won’t be able to murder their babies

[GoMuskies]

When my daughters and granddaughters ask me if I voted for a sexual assaulter and convicted felon for president of the country I love....

I'm going to be proud to say that I did not. Not sure how you live with yourself if you did.

My daughter would kick my ass if she thought I voted for Harris.

[xuwillie]

I’m going to be proud to say I didn’t vote for men in women’s dressing rooms, men in women’s sports, gender surgeries and other extreme left bullshit. You’re welcome

Thankfully I don’t have to worry about it since both my daughters voted for Trump.

[Xville]

Dems have to realize now how out of touch they are with working class America, right? They have to understand that celebrity endorsements and award show speeches does nothing to move the needle, right?

All they had to do was prop up Shapiro or beshear (before he went nuts) and they’d have the presidency, instead they put a low iq communist from California. Genius

[GoMuskies]

If Dems spend the next two years blaming this election on racism, misogyny and transphobia, they'll even manage to miss out on what would inevitably be a big mid-term pickup in 2026 (as usually happens when one side gets too much power).

Then again, we probably won't have an election in 2026 since voters soundly rejected democracy last night.

[Xuperman]

Dems have to realize now how out of touch they are with working class America, right? They have to understand that celebrity endorsements and award show speeches does nothing to move the needle, right?

All they had to do was prop up Shapiro or beshear (before he went nuts) and they’d have the presidency, instead they put a low iq communist from California. Genius

Prop up a white guy over a sitting VP WOMAN OF COLOR? That would have really pissed off the minority faction of the Dem Party and associated electorate.

There was only 1 other person that the Party would have embraced over Harris....Michele Obama.

[Xuperman]

Sending Sherrod Brown out to the pasture is HUGE!

[Xville]

Prop up a white guy over a sitting VP WOMAN OF COLOR? That would have really pissed off the minority faction of the Dem Party and associated electorate.

There was only 1 other person that the Party would have embraced over Harris....Michele Obama.

Evidence suggests that the minority doesn't matter. That's what dems still don't understand.

There are dems on facebook saying they are no longer friends with people who voted for trump...i guess i have to move lol.

[XU_Lou]

Eat it Paul



Ditto to all the other weenies who voted for the party of cranks, freaks and lunatics

[Xuperman]

Oh, you are 100% correct. The Dems are totally out of touch in key demographics. Like you said, the non-college working class and HISPANICS.

I could see the Hispanic vote approach 50% Red going forward. These folks tend to be very Religious and they will not tolerate the radical social issues of the Progressives. At 50%, the Republicans will have the upper hand for decades.

[Xville]

Oh, you are 100% correct. The Dems are totally out of touch in key demographics. Like you said, the non-college working class and HISPANICS.

I could see the Hispanic vote approach 50% Red going forward. These folks tend to be very Religious and they will not tolerate the radical social issues of the Progressives. At 50%, the Republicans will have the upper hand for decades.

I was shocked by the numbers that came back from Gen Z, gives me hope for future generations...it was not an overwhelming dem vote from what I understand.

The people on the diddy list have to be looking at getting out of dodge quickly

[GoMuskies]

Ann Selzer’s final Iowa poll has Harris by 3 in Iowa. She has a pretty good track record with her polls.

Selzer no longer has a good track record.

[Xuperman]

Eat it Paul



Ditto to all the other weenies who voted for the party of cranks, freaks and lunatics

We don't need this.

There is an opportunity to make people like Paul realize that backing the Party of DEI, legalized shoplifting and boys in girls locker rooms is a loser. The Radical Left is UN-AMERICAN and it has to be neutralized.

[xubrew]

Dems have to realize now how out of touch they are with working class America, right? They have to understand that celebrity endorsements and award show speeches does nothing to move the needle, right?

All they had to do was prop up Shapiro or beshear (before he went nuts) and they’d have the presidency, instead they put a low iq communist from California. Genius

Not to get too philosophical about this, but I think the Dems (like a lot of other things) main focus is to protect their own existence. To realize things have changed would mean they would also have to change, and in some cases they would have to be pushed aside, and they simply don't want that. The dinosaurs never want to just go away quietly.

I'm really bothered by all this. And, what bothers me even more is that I'm starting to realize there just aren't many people like me out there. I don't feel any differently about anything than I did yesterday. I don't like one side and hate the other. I'd like it to be where everyone just thinks of us being different shades of purple than all in on red or all in on blue, but no one else really feels that way. Even the bluest states have more than 1/3rd of its people voting for Team Red and vice versa.

Here's a major issue I have with Trump. How many of his former associates have been successful due to their association with him?? He had a successful TV program that I suppose was good for the network and the producers. Has there really been anything else?? When you look at a guy like Mark Cuban you see how he has helped make other people successful, and other businesses successful. When you look at Trump, who has he made successful?? What former associates are coming out to support him and saying he played a role in making their lives and their businesses better?? Where are these people?? A lot of his former businesses and projects didn't succeed. A lot of people who were invested in those businesses and projects lost their jobs. A lot of contractors he's worked with didn't get paid. It seems like the guy is incredibly radioactive. Even when he was last in office, just look at how many people that were in his orbit and under his direction either lost their jobs, or their money, or even their freedom. Yet, that's who we just elected. AGAIN!!

He lies, and he cheats, and he runs over anyone that's in his way even if they're on his team, and yet he continues to be rewarded for it. Yes! That bothers me! I think outside of his "fans" almost no one that's actually been associated with him has anything good to say about that association. His former vice president sure as hell doesn't. Shouldn't that tell people SOMETHING?? And, for the people that are his fans, I think he looks at them as nothing more than people who can elevate him to power and that he can grift money off of when he puts his name on stuff. Outside of that, he doesn't care about them. Most in his inner-circle have said flat out that he talks about how he doesn't even like them.

But, that's who we elected. Again. That's how it works. He won the popular vote, and he won/will win the electoral college. It was up to the Dems to stop him, which shouldn't have been hard to do at all, but they didn't. And a big reason why they didn't is because they somehow thought that lashing out against The Right would be a much more effective strategy than trying to win them over, and they continued to go off on half-cocked batshit ideas like how men can get pregnant and how terrorist organizations such as Hamas deserve our sympathy and support, and that Trump and his supporters were Nazis. And, people like that shouldn't be leading the country either.

I recently said that I felt Donald Trump belonged in prison...and I do. I also said that even though I felt that way, I also felt The Left deserved to lose to him and would lose to him. And, they did.

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel good about that. I don't see how anyone really could?? No one should really be happy about anything right now.

[Masterofreality]

Thankfully I don’t have to worry about it since both my daughters voted for Trump.

As did mine.
#ProtectLife #ProtectWomen

[xubrew]

As did mine.
#ProtectLife #ProtectWomen

Do you feel that we've done either one of those things in the last two years?? Was it ever really about that for the leaders who pushed this through, or did they just use it to garner more political support for themselves??

I'm assuming many people who want to protect life don't realize that in 2023 there were more abortions carried out than (I think) there had been in any of the previous ten years. Now, you have to think it through, but it actually does makes some sense how turning over Roe v Wade seems to have protected neither women nor life like so many people thought it would. If someone truly is pro-life, and I believe that many people are, then the focus needs to be on just that. Lowering the number of abortions and doing more to help the mothers. Overturning Roe v Wade clearly did neither of those things...

https://www.guttmacher.org/2024/03/despite-bans-number-abortions-united-states-increased-2023

[XU_Lou]

Meanwhile, this was overheard at the DNC last night:


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SRZAqDPAor4

[Smails]

When my daughters and granddaughters ask me if I voted for a sexual assaulter and convicted felon for president of the country I love....

I'm going to be proud to say that I did not. Not sure how you live with yourself if you did.

The last sentence sums up how the left got completely crushed last night. The inability to recognize someone else's point of view, coupled with condescending snark is not a winning strategy. Instead of asking 'why', you go with 'how can you live with yourself'. This type of rhetoric and nose thumbing to 70 million Americans is exactly what created Donald Trump in the first place and continued to fuel his second rise to power.

[XU_Lou]

I wonder what our allies must think of the US, if we in fact elect a convicted felon, guilty of sexual assault, to be the leader of the free world.
Makes it a little tough to take the high ground.


He lies, and he cheats, and he runs over anyone that's in his way even if they're on his team, and yet he continues to be rewarded for it. Yes! That bothers me! I think outside of his "fans" almost no one that's actually been associated with him has anything good to say about that association. His former vice president sure as hell doesn't. Shouldn't that tell people SOMETHING?? And, for the people that are his fans, I think he looks at them as nothing more than people who can elevate him to power and that he can grift money off of when he puts his name on stuff. Outside of that, he doesn't care about them. Most in his inner-circle have said flat out that he talks about how he doesn't even like them.

I recently said that I felt Donald Trump belonged in prison...and I do. I also said that even though I felt that way, I also felt The Left deserved to lose to him and would lose to him. And, they did.

I'm sorry, but I just don't feel good about that. I don't see how anyone really could?? No one should really be happy about anything right now.


From Bill Ackman:

@BillAckman
"If the election outcome is as I expected, it should cause the large minority of the country who supported @KamalaHarris and predicted her victory to begin to question their sources of truth.

When the story of this election is written, I expect it will be as much about how half of America woke up to the reality that they have been manipulated by the media. This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public."

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1854019674385547454


It’s truly amazing how delusional people on this board continue to be….. Continuing to hold wholly misinformed opinions as truth.

[Xville]

From Bill Ackman:

@BillAckman
"If the election outcome is as I expected, it should cause the large minority of the country who supported @KamalaHarris and predicted her victory to begin to question their sources of truth.

When the story of this election is written, I expect it will be as much about how half of America woke up to the reality that they have been manipulated by the media. This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public."

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1854019674385547454


It’s truly amazing how delusional people on this board continue to be….. Continuing to hold wholly misinformed opinions as truth.

So ironic. What do you think X and podcasts are? Purveyors of fact finding? lol

[XU_Lou]

It’s truly amazing how delusional people on this board continue to be….. Continuing to hold wholly misinformed opinions as truth.


So ironic. What do you think X and podcasts are? Purveyors of fact finding? lol


A perfect example of wholly misinformed people on this board right here.... Our very own “I’m smarter than every teacher and professor I ever had” made this bold prediction… despite Trump having a consistent ~2 point lead at that very moment…. LOL….


Because “people” don’t believe in your conspiracy theories and what you describe is not how politics work. DNC don’t need to do anything if trump is the candidate on the r side. Biden will beat him, and yes I know what some polls are saying about trump possibly being ahead. That’s hysterical. Trump will never win a general ever again.

[XUOWNSUC]

So what celebrities are leaving the country today?

[xubrew]

The last sentence sums up how the left got completely crushed last night. The inability to recognize someone else's point of view, coupled with condescending snark is not a winning strategy. Instead of asking 'why', you go with 'how can you live with yourself'. This type of rhetoric and nose thumbing to 70 million Americans is exactly what created Donald Trump in the first place and continued to fuel his second rise to power.

People who voted "against the left" straight out say why they voted the way they did, and the message still doesn't get through. They can't understand why they people they thumb their noses at choose to vote against them.

Let me sum this up for those on The Left. They think you're crazy, and they don't like being talked down to. So, a guy like Trump that hits back as hard as he does is going to make them feel good. That's it. It's really that simple. If you want to know why so many people vote for Trump, that's why.

Now, does The Right understand why so many people vote against Trump??? The answer is equally as simple.

[Xville]

A perfect example of wholly misinformed people on this board right here.... Our very own “I’m smarter than every teacher and professor I ever had” made this bold prediction… despite Trump having a consistent ~2 point lead at that very moment…. LOL….

misinformed people describe you very well. So very interesting that you leave for months on end and then come back today. You're a spineless, gutless coward

[XU_Lou]

Get a load of these gems from our very own renowned political analyst… You can’t buy stupidity like this:


If somehow Haley pulls off the upset, then I’ll buy what you’re selling. Otherwise the dnc doesn’t have to go thru the hassle of what you are describing. I mean ffs Hilary would beat trump in a general right now, let alone Biden.


Considering that anywhere from 5 to 7 out of 10 haley supporters said they won't vote for trump in a general, I think the last thing the Biden Campaign is doing is trembling. Trump has to win over the independents/moderates in order to win the general. Hes not going to.


Hate to break it to you, but trump isn’t winning the election. I don’t want Biden to win it either, but he will. It’s very evident trump has his base and nothing else. Look at the two primary number, it will be the same across the whole nation.


I don’t think anyone is fooled but I still think he can win because he’s not trump. As you mentioned independents aren’t voting for trump. Trump will of course have his base but I’m not sure who else.

[Xville]

Get a load of these gems from our very own renowned political analyst… You can’t buy stupidity like this:

misinformed people describe you very well. So very interesting that you leave for months on end and then come back today. You're a spineless, gutless coward. You forgot the fact that my statements were made when Biden was the candidate, just like others I know you don't understand context. Biden would have won last night.

[XU_Lou]

Oh, yea, and what about this doozy of a prediction. Boner Champ doubled down on stupidity:


Pretty much anyone would blow out trump. Trump can only potentially beat Biden and that’s it

[XU_Lou]

Then, on the eve of the election, even though the evidence was overwhelming in Trump’s favor, Boner Champ decides to triple down on stupidity:


I’ll be absolutely stunned if trump wins this. I just don’t think there is a way in hell he becomes president again.

[Xville]

Then, on the eve of the election, even though the evidence was overwhelming in Trump’s favor, Boner Champ decides to triple down on stupidity:

Yep. I'm stunned. Coming back after how many months of living in your parents' basement? As I said you're a spineless, gutless coward who couldn't stand the heat for months and then come back today to do what exactly? Gloat?

[XU_Lou]

Yep. I'm stunned. Coming back after how many months of living in your parents' basement? As I said you're a spineless, gutless coward who couldn't stand the heat for months and then come back today to do what exactly? Gloat?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAgQIb77UhU

[Xville]

Lets try to stay on course and answer this:

This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public."

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1854019674385547454


It’s truly amazing how delusional people on this board continue to be….. Continuing to hold wholly misinformed opinions as truth.

What do you think X and podcasts are? Purveyors of fact finding?



Yes I said this: Because “people” don’t believe in your conspiracy theories and what you describe is not how politics work. DNC don’t need to do anything if trump is the candidate on the r side. Biden will beat him, and yes I know what some polls are saying about trump possibly being ahead. That’s hysterical. Trump will never win a general ever again.

AND IT STILL HOLDS TRUE TODAY. Dems dug their own grave, it's not hard to understand.

[xubrew]

Lets try to stay on course and answer this:

This should lead to an abandonment by many of the MSM as their primary source of information. It will push more people to @X, to podcasts and other empirical sources, and it will lead to a more informed public."

https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1854019674385547454


It’s truly amazing how delusional people on this board continue to be….. Continuing to hold wholly misinformed opinions as truth.

What do you think X and podcasts are? Purveyors of fact finding?



Yes I said this: Because “people” don’t believe in your conspiracy theories and what you describe is not how politics work. DNC don’t need to do anything if trump is the candidate on the r side. Biden will beat him, and yes I know what some polls are saying about trump possibly being ahead. That’s hysterical. Trump will never win a general ever again.

AND IT STILL HOLDS TRUE TODAY. Dems dug their own grave, it's not hard to understand.

^^^^^Correct.

All the Dems really did was give people reasons to vote against them. It wasn't really just Kamala Harris. If anything she stayed a little too quiet. It was the rest of the leadership. I actually was starting to think that the Dems were going to win this election and do well on the down-ballot elections, but when they said Trump and his supporters were NAZIs because he held a rally at The Garden, I knew then it was pretty much over. It was both incredibly indecent and incredibly stupid. And then a few weeks later, let's just call them all garbage on top of that.

Had Kamala Harris come out and publicly rebuked those comments, I think she may have actually won. Even though those comments came from her "team," she still wins if she comes out and is critical. But, she didn't. And she lost. And she deserved to lose. And so did most of the rest of the party. The people that won actually scare me more, but it makes complete sense to me why they did win.

[Xville]

Remember when Lou said Steele was going to take x to the sweet sixteen?

Misinformed opinion to the nth degree

[Xville]

^^^^^Correct.

All the Dems really did was give people reasons to vote against them. It wasn't really just Kamala Harris. If anything she stayed a little too quiet. It was the rest of the leadership. I actually was starting to think that the Dems were going to win this election and do well on the down-ballot elections, but when they said Trump and his supporters were NAZIs because he held a rally at The Garden, I knew then it was pretty much over. It was both incredibly indecent and incredibly stupid. And then a few weeks later, let's just call them all garbage on top of that.

Had Kamala Harris come out and publicly rebuked those comments, I think she may have actually won. Even though those comments came from her "team," she still wins if she comes out and is critical. But, she didn't. And she lost. And she deserved to lose. And so did most of the rest of the party. The people that won actually scare me more, but it makes complete sense to me why they did win.

Tbh I think we need to be truthful, a far left black woman was never going to win a general

[Muskie in dayton]

I’ll bet $1000 Trump wins Iowa. Not only will I give you Harris, I’ll give you 8 points against that pole. So Trump wins by at least 5. Deal?


Yeah, not betting money against random internet stranger. But how about 1 week of not posting in this thread?
I'd like offer you the chance to continue posting. I don't believe in censorship.

How was I so sure of this? The same way I knew masks were bullshit. I'm a scientist and a damn good data analyst.

[Muskie in dayton]

Let this be a lesson to everyone again that polls are really effing stupid and they should be eliminated. They are never correct.
Not sure what polls you were watching, but AtlasIntel, Rasmussen and Tralfalgar Group had this nailed, and had it nailed for weeks. There are polls that are clearly fake and intended to motivate opinion and voting behavior. They should be eliminated.

[Xville]

Not sure what polls you were watching, but AtlasIntel, Rasmussen and Tralfalgar Group had this nailed, and had it nailed for weeks. There are polls that are clearly fake and intended to motivate opinion and voting behavior. They should be eliminated.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_larry_j_sabato/our_final_2024_ratings

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_larry_j_sabato/our_final_2024_ratings
Not sure what I'm supposed to take from this, but they predicted a 3% popular vote win, and a sweep of the swing states except MI tied.

[Xville]

Not sure what I'm supposed to take from this, but they predicted a 3% popular vote win, and a sweep of the swing states except MI tied.

Well, if you read it, you'd understand that Rasmussen also concluded that Trump wouldn't win, the day of the election.

My point is that none of these polls saw this coming, it is an old-fashioned archaic way of getting the pulse of the nation. If people want to try to have fun by all means go ahead, but that's what it should be seen as.

[paulxu]

When I wonder why people can vote for a sexual assaulter/convicted felon...I don't get a reasonable answer to that question.
I get something along the lines of the left is thumbing their noses at the right. To me, that's pretty telling; you can't defend that stance.
His own generals called him a fascist and his own VP said he's unfit? I don't get reasonable responses to those criticisms. Just nonsense about Harris being a communist.

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?
Can you imagine your daughter being happy to have him come into her dressing room while she was naked...and brag about it?
Can you imagine her being proud of someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy?

If I'm on an island with these positions, so be it.

For what it's worth, I think Trump won because he convinced people the economy was bad; despite record growth, stock market highs, energy production at an all time high, unemployment low, inflation tamed. He was politically effective in convincing people it was bad despite evidence to the contrary, and overlooking the last administration had to pull us out of the pandemic recession. Smart politics to pull that off.

[xuwillie]

So what celebrities are leaving the country today?

Everyone that hung out with Diddy I suppose ;)

[Xville]

If Dems want to have a chance to win '28, they elect Shapiro.

[GoMuskies]

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?

If I recall correctly, I think my daughter punched me in 2020 when I told her I wrote in Yang and didn't vote for Trump.

Oddly, women and minorities aren't a monolith. And most don't really think he was a sexual assaulter and think the felonies he was convicted of were lawfare bullshit.

Also, it was the Democrats' job to field a viable alternative to the alleged sexual assaulter and convicted felon. Biden was pretty mediocre back in 2020, but he would do. However, YOU ignored the evidence your eyes must have clearly been reporting to you about Biden's fitness for another term. Even after that trainwreck detate you were still claiming it was because of a stutter or some other nonsense. I mean, if we're truly to take the notiion that Trump is dangerous seriously, how could anyone think it was a good idea to put the doddering old man in Chief up as the Dem nominee? And then panic and replace him (without a vote) with a cackling empty suit who was an incredibly unpopular Vice President whose 2020 Presidential campaign was a complete disaster.

I'm sure you're going to continue smugly discredit the majority of Americans who decided that Trump was the better option for America. I doubt you'll do any self-reflection on the absolute shit show that is the Democratic Party and the fact that you spout their absurd talking points on here day after day after day.

Our country absolutely deserves better. But we were offered up two terrible choices, and we had to pick one of them. I'm disappointed that Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee over DeSantis and Haley, who I think would be much better Presidents. i'm disappointed that Democrats didn't even offer their party members the dignity of a choice as to who their nominee would be. So here we are. People voted for the alleged sexual abuser and convicted felon over the shit sandwich. Next time please provide a better alternative.

[Xville]

If I recall correctly, I think my daughter punched me in 2020 when I told her I wrote in Yang and didn't vote for Trump.

Oddly, women and minorities aren't a monolith. And most don't really think he was a sexual assaulter and think the felonies he was convicted of were lawfare bullshit.

Also, it was the Democrats' job to field a viable alternative to the alleged sexual assaulter and convicted felon. Biden was pretty mediocre back in 2020, but he would do. However, YOU ignored the evidence your eyes must have clearly been reporting to you about Biden's fitness for another term. Even after that trainwreck detate you were still claiming it was because of a stutter or some other nonsense. I mean, if we're truly to take the notiion that Trump is dangerous seriously, how could anyone think it was a good idea to put the doddering old man in Chief up as the Dem nominee? And then panic and replace him (without a vote) with a cackling empty suit who was an incredibly unpopular Vice President whose 2020 Presidential campaign was a complete disaster.

I'm sure you're going to continue smugly discredit the majority of Americans who decided that Trump was the better option for America. I doubt you'll do any self-reflection on the absolute shit show that is the Democratic Party and the fact that you spout their absurd talking points on here day after day after day.

Our country absolutely deserves better. But we were offered up two terrible choices, and we had to pick one of them. I'm disappointed that Republicans chose Trump to be their nominee over DeSantis and Haley, who I think would be much better Presidents. i'm disappointed that Democrats didn't even offer their party members the dignity of a choice as to who their nominee would be. So here we are. People voted for the alleged sexual abuser and convicted felon over the shit sandwich. Next time please provide a better alternative.

very very well said. Public Reps

[xubrew]

When I wonder why people can vote for a sexual assaulter/convicted felon...I don't get a reasonable answer to that question.
I get something along the lines of the left is thumbing their noses at the right. To me, that's pretty telling; you can't defend that stance.
His own generals called him a fascist and his own VP said he's unfit? I don't get reasonable responses to those criticisms. Just nonsense about Harris being a communist.

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?
Can you imagine your daughter being happy to have him come into her dressing room while she was naked...and brag about it?
Can you imagine her being proud of someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy?

If I'm on an island with these positions, so be it.

For what it's worth, I think Trump won because he convinced people the economy was bad; despite record growth, stock market highs, energy production at an all time high, unemployment low, inflation tamed. He was politically effective in convincing people it was bad despite evidence to the contrary, and overlooking the last administration had to pull us out of the pandemic recession. Smart politics to pull that off.

You may not get what you think is a REASONABLE answer (and that's fine), but I think you DO get the answer! Generally speaking, I think most (not all, but MOST) who voted for Trump voted for him for the reasons they're giving you. That's it. If it was for any other reason, they'd tell you what that reason was.

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

[GoMuskies]

No, 'brew, it was racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobia. With a dash of lower taxes.

[Smails]

You may not get what you think is a REASONABLE answer (and that's fine), but I think you DO get the answer! Generally speaking, I think most (not all, but MOST) who voted for Trump voted for him for the reasons they're giving you. That's it. If it was for any other reason, they'd tell you what that reason was.

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

This is perfect.

Paul, have you ever considered that your definition of a reasonable answer is one that aligns with your world view? Maybe that's the reason you can't seem to find one. "Beats the alternative" is a perfectly reasonable answer to why Trump won in a landslide.

If the Dems don't start to look inward after last night's debacle, they're going to be in big trouble for a long time. They rammed an awful VP and an awful candidate on to the ticket and are paying the price dearly. The fact that you and the other Dems can't seem to grasp that Trump is very much a product they created is a real head scratcher to me.

[paulxu]

So here is a tip for the Democrats...LISTEN TO THEM!! When they say why they voted the way they did, BELIEVE THEM!!! Don't come up with some other reason, and then base your next strategy off of whatever reasons that you made up.

So, what were their reasons?
Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?
Harris is a communist? Really, that's a reason?
What reasonable answer was ever offered.

The criticisms of Trump didn't come from Democrats. They came from Republicans who had served with him and knew him best.
And that's not something Dems should listen to?
You didn't have senior administration officials or anything like a former VP saying Harris was unfit for office.

I think your analysis is often on point Brew. But can't agree with it this time.
Trump played a great game of getting people to believe our country was in the dump. I don't think so, but enough people did.
Smart politics.

[GoMuskies]

Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?

Yes. You named some jobs she held. That doesn't mean she was good at them. Trump was a President and the longtime head of a major corporation.

[Xville]

So, what were their reasons?
Harris is a cackling empty suit? A VP who has been a prosecutor, a senator and 4 years as a VP traveling the world for our country?
Harris is a communist? Really, that's a reason?
What reasonable answer was ever offered.

The criticisms of Trump didn't come from Democrats. They came from Republicans who had served with him and knew him best.
And that's not something Dems should listen to?
You didn't have senior administration officials or anything like a former VP saying Harris was unfit for office.

I think your analysis is often on point Brew. But can't agree with it this time.
Trump played a great game of getting people to believe our country was in the dump. I don't think so, but enough people did.
Smart politics.

Reasons: She's a communist. Yep that's correct. Look at her positions and her voting record before she became VP, Paul. It's public information.

"Travelling the world for our country." ----what does this even mean? She's had jobs. That's nice. Travis Steele has had jobs too, doesn't mean he's good at them.

Dems lied for 4 years. Paul, not just about Trump (I don't care about that) but about our country. And, you continue to parrot the nonsense today.

Biden's Chief of Staff said inflation wasn't real. They said crime was down. They said the border wasn't an issue.

If you want a reasonable answer? It's because he is better than the alternative. Not sure if you have noticed, but that's how moderates have voted for a long time now.

[XU_Lou]

So, a guy like Trump that hits back as hard as he does is going to make them feel good. That's it. It's really that simple. If you want to know why so many people vote for Trump, that's why.

Jesus Christ, Brew, this sounds like an analysis that a third grader would come up with if they only watched The View. You continue to prove Ackman’s points.

[XU_Lou]

When I wonder why people can vote for a sexual assaulter/convicted felon...I don't get a reasonable answer to that question.
I get something along the lines of the left is thumbing their noses at the right. To me, that's pretty telling; you can't defend that stance.
His own generals called him a fascist and his own VP said he's unfit? I don't get reasonable responses to those criticisms. Just nonsense about Harris being a communist.

Did you ever think that your daughter may tell you she voted for Trump to keep you happy...and really didn't?
Can you imagine your daughter being happy to have him come into her dressing room while she was naked...and brag about it?
Can you imagine her being proud of someone who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy?

If I'm on an island with these positions, so be it.

For what it's worth, I think Trump won because he convinced people the economy was bad; despite record growth, stock market highs, energy production at an all time high, unemployment low, inflation tamed. He was politically effective in convincing people it was bad despite evidence to the contrary, and overlooking the last administration had to pull us out of the pandemic recession. Smart politics to pull that off.

https://www.donspage.com/funny/pictures/whiners.jpg

[xubrew]

Jesus Christ, Brew, this sounds like an analysis that a third grader would come up with if they only watched The View. You continue to prove Ackman’s points.

And this actually proves my point. The reasons are simple enough for a 3rd grader to understand. sometimes the reasons are actually very simplistic.

I mean, lets take you as an example. All you've wanted to do today is beat up on Paul and the other Libs. You've offered up nothing else other than that.

[Strange Brew]

I think the real reason she lost is ~10-15M people who voted for Biden in ‘20 apparently didn’t come out for Harris this time.

[paulxu]

Dems lied for 4 years. Paul, not just about Trump (I don't care about that) but about our country. And, you continue to parrot the nonsense today.

Biden's Chief of Staff said inflation wasn't real. They said crime was down. They said the border wasn't an issue.


Heading into next year’s presidential election, Republicans have been readying a three-pronged attack: crime soaring in cities, chaos raging at the southern border and prices spiralling out of control everywhere. But each of these narratives is being disrupted by facts on the ground: crime is falling in most parts of the country, there is relative calm at the border and inflation is at a two-year low.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/joe-biden-inflation-crime-border-republicans-2024-election

It's the same headline in yesterday's NYT.

When Trump went around the country saying crime was up, and it wasn't, that's just an unreality that's hard to crack.
When he said our country was broken and in decline, we were leading every other developed nation in recovery from the pandemic.

You see the challenge in your "reasons." They often are incorrect, but whomever provides your news has convinced you they are real.

[XU_Lou]

And this actually proves my point. The reasons are simple enough for a 3rd grader to understand. sometimes the reasons are actually very simplistic.

I mean, lets take you as an example. All you've wanted to do today is beat up on Paul and the other Libs. You've offered up nothing else other than that.

Not going to waste my time on people who deny facts....

[Xville]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/joe-biden-inflation-crime-border-republicans-2024-election

It's the same headline in yesterday's NYT.

When Trump went around the country saying crime was up, and it wasn't, that's just an unreality that's hard to crack.
When he said our country was broken and in decline, we were leading every other developed nation in recovery from the pandemic.

You see the challenge in your "reasons." They often are incorrect, but whomever provides your news has convinced you they are real.

My “news”? No it’s my reality Paul and so is it everyone else’s.

My grocery bill for my family of four has easily doubled. It’s not gone down at all.

Crime is up all over my city including the upper middle class suburb of where I live.

Public schools in my state as well as the state of my family ( mo, pa) are trying very hard to indoctrinate children, it’s why my children will never step foot in a public school.

I could go on and on and on. Our situation is much worse

[XU 23]

Really surprised at this result. Everyone in my sociology class seemed to be voting for Harris. Weird.

[xubrew]

Not going to waste my time on people who deny facts....

Great!! He's gone!!!

[murray87]

All political postings shall go here until further notice. When the aftermath cools down, perhaps we will go back to the old way.

This thread is almost 8 years old! I guess it won't be retired anytime soon...........:spaz:

[xubrew]

This thread is almost 8 years old! I guess it won't be retired anytime soon...........:spaz:

Things are certainly less heated than they were both eight years ago and four years ago. Granted, we just elected a guy that seems to have a compulsion for turning up the thermostat as high as it will go, but last night and tonight were relatively calm compared to the last two elections.

[Masterofreality]

I think the real reason she lost is ~10-15M people who voted for Biden in ‘20 apparently didn’t come out for Harris this time.

I guess they all died and their gravestones didn’t have a “ride” to the polls.

[Masterofreality]

Things are certainly less heated than they were both eight years ago and four years ago. Granted, we just elected a guy that seems to have a compulsion for turning up the thermostat as high as it will go, but last night and tonight were relatively calm compared to the last two elections.

Seems as if prosecuting a former President over created lawfare charges and running sham impeachments are kind of turning up the thermostat.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/joe-biden-inflation-crime-border-republicans-2024-election

It's the same headline in yesterday's NYT.

When Trump went around the country saying crime was up, and it wasn't, that's just an unreality that's hard to crack.
When he said our country was broken and in decline, we were leading every other developed nation in recovery from the pandemic.

You see the challenge in your "reasons." They often are incorrect, but whomever provides your news has convinced you they are real.

The FBI revised crime stats UP recently that crime did AKSHUALLY increase.
Inflation is a real issue. Immigration is a real issue. Real wages are down. Living Standards are down.
Facts that caused Trump to win.
Your statements are incorrect.
Enjoy the next 4 years of reduced war and prosperity

[GoMuskies]

Things are certainly less heated than they were both eight years ago and four years ago.

Speaking of, where is Snipe?

[xubrew]

Seems as if prosecuting a former President over created lawfare charges and running sham impeachments are kind of turning up the thermostat.

My own eyes and ears tell me that it wasn't manufactured. I will say this, of the four trials he was facing, the only one where he was actually prosecuted was by far the one that I gave the least of a shit about and felt was a waste of time given the gravity of the other three.

[Masterofreality]

My own eyes and ears tell me that it wasn't manufactured. I will say this, of the four trials he was facing, the only one where he was actually prosecuted was by far the one that I gave the least of a shit about and felt was a waste of time given the gravity of the other three.

-Documents case thrown out
-Property fraud valuation case on appeal and judges expressed doubt in hearing. The charges were base on a “law” created out of whole cloth.
-“Rape” case had no collaboration- just like Kavanaugh’s.
No other state would have brought those charges
- Election Interference cases are all BS and dying.
Where are the 81 million “votes” in this election for Dems? About 14 million short of that.

[Masterofreality]

Speaking of, where is Snipe?

Still around…in a text thread.

[xubrew]

I thought the Documents Case and the attempts to change the results of the election are the two big ones. I know it was thrown out. I don't think it should have been. I sure as hell wouldn't call it a made-up charge. He had them and he absolutely should not have.

[XU_Lou]

Trump just became the first person since FDR to win the presidential election three times in a row!

[XU_Lou]

For the first time in 4 years, I’m proud of my country.

[GoMuskies]

Trump just became the first person since FDR to win the presidential election three times in a row!

OK, I'll give you that one. That made me chuckle.

[XU_Lou]

I'm wondering if now is a good time to abolish the electoral college - and the filibuster while we're at it. Maybe Trump should add 10 more conservative justices to POTUS. Do you libs agree?

Ah hell, it doesn't matter, Trump is going to declare a dictatorship right after the bloodbath takes place.

I'm also thinking that Trump should declare 11/6 a national holiday - maybe replace 7/4 as the new independence day.

[waggy]

CBS news was like a morgue last night. Wha happen??

So awesome

[waggy]

https://sports.yahoo.com/why-this-could-be-the-most-consequential-election-in-college-sports-history-194605687.html

[Strange Brew]

I thought the Documents Case and the attempts to change the results of the election are the two big ones. I know it was thrown out. I don't think it should have been. I sure as hell wouldn't call it a made-up charge. He had them and he absolutely should not have.

Uh, actually he’s allowed to per the PRA.

It was a made up charge to cover for Biden. Who absolutely was not allowed to have TS docs.

Pretty simple Brew.

[Muskie in dayton]

DOJ is dropping all charges against Trump, proving these were indeed partisan-based lawfare.

You’ll need a new talking point Paul. Let’s try being honest going forward.

[Muskie in dayton]

Democrat votes:
- 2012: 66M
- 2016: 66M
- 2020: 81M
- 2024: 67M
"One of these things is not like the other, one of these things is not the same..."

It's time for a reckoning.

[xubrew]

This was kinda funny...

https://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1854050436246012195

[paulxu]

I thought the Documents Case and the attempts to change the results of the election are the two big ones. I know it was thrown out. I don't think it should have been. I sure as hell wouldn't call it a made-up charge. He had them and he absolutely should not have.

Don't confuse them with the facts. They probably think he gave them all back before the search.

[xuphan]

This was kinda funny...

https://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1854050436246012195

Paul and Bobbie,

Being staunch Democrats, what direction do you see the Democratic Party going leading up to the 2028 election? You would have to see the Democratic Party moving away from the Obama ideology after the basically getting curb stomped by MAGA this election cycle. Is it too soon to speculate because I was surprised how many defeats the Democrats had and how bad Harris lost to an unpopular candidate in Trump. Will be interesting to see how they try to rebuild their voting base that didn’t turn up this election cycle.

[XU 23]

What was worse: 4 years of Travis Steele or 4 years of Joe Biden?

[xuwillie]

What was worse: 4 years of Travis Steele or 4 years of Joe Biden?

Steele. No question

[Muskie in dayton]

Shot…

Chaser:
Kamala Harris is constitutionally required to preside over the certification of Trump’s victory. The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022 ensures she can’t do anything to stop it.

[xubrew]

Shot…

Chaser:
Kamala Harris is constitutionally required to preside over the certification of Trump’s victory. The Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022 ensures she can’t do anything to stop it.

I very seriously doubt she would have tried to stop it.

This is a stupid and pointless exercise. Let's call the electoral college what it has really become, and that's an electoral point system. Trump won. That's it. Why go through this vote where all the votes are predetermined?? And why have congress spend an entire day counting them when everyone already knows what the final result will be?? It all just seems kind of dumb.

[Xuperman]

With much appreciation here....no more "Fundamentally Transform America" posts for me. Trump officially drove a stake in that. The Obama era is dead, and good riddance.

These radicals had some serious momentum, but Biden checked out and Harris was a terrible torchbearer. We have at least 4 years to return from the "Twilight Zone" and hopefully shitcan this "Woke" "DEI" insanity. We have always been, and must continue to be, a MERIT based America.

11/5/24 was the beginning of the end for the Washington establishment. Days are numbered for all the corrupt CAREER POLITICIANS. Goodbye Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, Chucky and ol' Sherrod Brown'eye'. Hello JD, Tulsi, Shapiro and Wes Moore!

Term limits anyone?

[Xuperman]

"Not the color of their skin, but the content of their character".

This has to be true "gospel" for American prosperity going forward. Can we all now see, in the wake of the election, that the Progressive Left has spent 15 years blurring that concept?

Race and gender must be blind in all aspects. AND.....you absolutely can not enter our Country ILLEGALLY.

[paulxu]

A good recap if you are interested, from a historian:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-6-2024?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=20533&post_id=151306457&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s89hz&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

[Xville]

A good recap if you are interested, from a historian:

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/november-6-2024?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=20533&post_id=151306457&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2s89hz&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

You still don’t get it even after time to reflect on it and not surprisingly neither does she. Look inward. That’s the dems problem and stop lying. Lying about inflation, lying about crime, lying about over half the population, lying about your president being able to perform the duties of the job. So tired of your phobes and your -isms. You have two ears and one mouth for a reason

[Masterofreality]

Paul and Bobbie,

Being staunch Democrats, what direction do you see the Democratic Party going leading up to the 2028 election? You would have to see the Democratic Party moving away from the Obama ideology after the basically getting curb stomped by MAGA this election cycle. Is it too soon to speculate because I was surprised how many defeats the Democrats had and how bad Harris lost to an unpopular candidate in Trump. Will be interesting to see how they try to rebuild their voting base that didn’t turn up this election cycle.

The great Ohioan, JD Vance will be your Repub nominee in 2028.
After these next 4 years of greatness, there will be no contest.
Picking JD was genius.

[paulxu]

The Russians paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to influencers like Johnson, Pool, etc.
And people believed their stuff, and voted accordingly.
You keep lying about the crime statistics, as if no one will bother to check.
Here's the FBI's latest from September.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

Trump won. Democrats did not show up at the polls. I can be rightly concerned about what will happen next.

[Xville]

The Russians paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to influencers like Johnson, Pool, etc.
And people believed their stuff, and voted accordingly.
You keep lying about the crime statistics, as if no one will bother to check.
Here's the FBI's latest from September.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

Trump won. Democrats did not show up at the polls. I can be rightly concerned about what will happen next.

Those are old bud. May want to try some updated statistics. You may have missed it considering they tried to slide the changes in without anyone noticing them.

Plus the FBI? lol. That's a shitshow.

"The agency revised the violent crime rate between 2021 and 2022.

Previously, the figures showed a 2.1% fall over this period, now the agency says there was a 4.5% rise.

The FBI did not publicise this change, which has led to some criticism."

"Submitting data to the FBI is voluntary and in recent years some police forces have not done this.


But participation has steadily improved and in 2023 more than 85% of agencies enrolled in the FBI's data collection system submitted figures.

The FBI says every city agency covering a population of one million or more residents contributed a full 12 months of data in 2023.

Daniel Flannery, a professor specialising in violence prevention research, says that generally it is the smaller agencies that do not submit data.

“Many of them don’t have their own data people. Suburban and and rural communities tend to be the ones not submitting the data because they lack resources,” he says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4glxxreed7o

You have every right to be concerned, but you are simply ignoring why you lost. Why did dems not show up? Why did over half the voting population vote for Trump? Stop pointing fingers and look in the mirror.

[Xville]

The great Ohioan, JD Vance will be your Repub nominee in 2028.
After these next 4 years of greatness, there will be no contest.
Picking JD was genius.

If the dems go thru an actual primary and have a candidate like Shapiro or the guy in AZ, it will be a contest, and it would be extremely close. JD wouldn't win every swing state like Trump is about to.

I look forward to'28, i think we are going to have some really strong candidates, and I think a lot of the rhetoric is going to be toned down. People have had enough of that shitshow

[Xuperman]

The Russians? Americans do not need Russians to expose your radical progressive party agenda. You are about to see that result in Republicans controlling POTUS, Senate and House.

[XU_Lou]

The Russians paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to influencers like Johnson, Pool, etc.
And people believed their stuff, and voted accordingly.
You keep lying about the crime statistics, as if no one will bother to check.
Here's the FBI's latest from September.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2023-crime-in-the-nation-statistics

Trump won. Democrats did not show up at the polls. I can be rightly concerned about what will happen next.

https://www.donspage.com/funny/pictures/whiners.jpg

[XU_Lou]

Hey Paul,

Yesterday, today, and the next 4 years:


Democrats eating feces

[xuphan]

With much appreciation here....no more "Fundamentally Transform America" posts for me. Trump officially drove a stake in that. The Obama era is dead, and good riddance.

These radicals had some serious momentum, but Biden checked out and Harris was a terrible torchbearer. We have at least 4 years to return from the "Twilight Zone" and hopefully shitcan this "Woke" "DEI" insanity. We have always been, and must continue to be, a MERIT based America.

11/5/24 was the beginning of the end for the Washington establishment. Days are numbered for all the corrupt CAREER POLITICIANS. Goodbye Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, Chucky and ol' Sherrod Brown'eye'. Hello JD, Tulsi, Shapiro and Wes Moore!

Term limits anyone?

Do you really believe we will see term limits implemented by Trump? We have had 4 years of Trump and this wasnÂ’t accomplished. Maybe with having full control of the house and senate he can push this across and get rid of the career politicians like Pelosi and Graham. Maybe I have missed something but I donÂ’t remember him saying he would do this during any of his speeches which I could have easily missed. I would also be surprised if the Republican establishment wouldnÂ’t push back on him for it. I am fully on board with term limits but I am not holding my breath this will actually happen.

[xubrew]

You still don’t get it even after time to reflect on it and not surprisingly neither does she. Look inward. That’s the dems problem and stop lying. Lying about inflation, lying about crime, lying about over half the population, lying about your president being able to perform the duties of the job. So tired of your phobes and your -isms. You have two ears and one mouth for a reason

I agree, but I also think it's worth reading/listening to because it expresses how they feel right now. Right or wrong, this is how they feel. It's not good for so many people to feel like they've been cancelled because their preferred candidate didn't win the election, and it's very easy for me to understand why so many people feel that way. Had Harris won, it would have been the same feelings on the other side. No one should be told to "Eat Shit and Get out!"

Just to be clear, I don't agree with her take on why they lost. But, I do understand why she and so many others feel that way and I also understand how they feel they've been (or will be) cancelled.

Eight years ago The Left feared the country would not survive a Trump presidency. It did (albeit how he handled himself at the end of it was rather anti-American, but still. Biden won the election and Trump (reluctantly) left office).

Four years ago, The Right was told they didn't have a country anymore, and they believed it. Well, clearly that was false.

Now The Left is being told that this is the end of Democracy and they believe it just like The Right did four years ago.

It's not good for either side to have to fear that or feel that way. I wish we could all at least agree on that. The fact that we can't is really what bothers me more than anything else. It's not the only thing that bothers me, but it's probably what bothers me the most.

[Muskie in dayton]

Dear Democrats,

You lost, and you lost huge. Stop blaming racism, white supremacy, “toxic” masculinity and all the other stupid crap you make up.

You lost because you prioritize illegal aliens over American citizens.

You lost because you coddle criminals and delinquents while you ignore those who obey the law, work hard, and focus on family.

You lost because you judge people by the color of their skin, not the content of their character.

You lost because you live in your elitist bubble and look down on everyday Americans.

You lost because you decided that your control is more important than our Constitutional and God-given freedoms.

You lost because you create disorder, chaos and fear – the foundations of evil.

You lost because your entire campaign was nothing but lies about Trump. Tump is not Hitler and Republicans are not racist. Fuck you.

You lost because you nominated the most unlikeable and far-left candidate possible.

You lost because you find reasons to push people away. It’s no coincidence that the three of the people prominent on Trump’s team are all former Democrats. Hint: intolerance for others’ ideas is by definition, fascism.

In short, you lost because of YOU. It’s time to take accountability – I know that’s a new concept to you, but it’s time. Do some introspective soul searching. Do better.

- Muskie in Dayton

[94GRAD]

Dear Democrats,

You lost, and you lost huge. Stop blaming racism, white supremacy, “toxic” masculinity and all the other stupid crap you make up.

You lost because you prioritize illegal aliens over American citizens.

You lost because you coddle criminals and delinquents while you ignore those who obey the law, work hard, and focus on family.

You lost because you judge people by the color of their skin, not the content of their character.

You lost because you live in your elitist bubble and look down on everyday Americans.

You lost because you decided that your control is more important than our Constitutional and God-given freedoms.

You lost because you create disorder, chaos and fear – the foundations of evil.

You lost because your entire campaign was nothing but lies about Trump. Tump is not Hitler and Republicans are not racist. Fuck you.

You lost because you nominated the most unlikeable and far-left candidate possible.

You lost because you find reasons to push people away. It’s no coincidence that the three of the people prominent on Trump’s team are all former Democrats. Hint: intolerance for others’ ideas is by definition, fascism.

In short, you lost because of YOU. It’s time to take accountability – I know that’s a new concept to you, but it’s time. Do some introspective soul searching. Do better.

- Muskie in Dayton

I bet you're fun at parties.

[Xville]

I bet you're fun at parties.

I don't agree much with what he says on here, but that post is 100% correct.

[xuphan]

I don't agree much with what he says on here, but that post is 100% correct.

I will second this as I feel that he is spot on about the Democrats during this election. However, I also feel like you could change a few words and it would apply to the Republican Party back in 2020. When you lose you lose. Take accountability and find out how to better support the American people and this country.

[GoMuskies]

I have my own version:

Dear Democrats, you lost because you pretty well suck.

Dear Republicans, you won because the Democrats suck and the people decided this time that you suck a bit less. However, you're going to believe that the people have declared you wonderful and given you some sort of mandate, and you will screw it up royally, and in 2026 and 2028 you will lose because you will become arrogant and begin to suck worse than the Demcats.

Dear Democrats again, take heart, in two years you'll be back on top. Four years tops. Unless you do something REALLY, REALLY like unbelievably stupid in the meantime....so it's like 50/50.

[xubrew]

I have my own version:

Dear Democrats, you lost because you pretty well suck.

Dear Republicans, you won because the Democrats suck and the people decided this time that you suck a bit less. However, you're going to believe that the people have declared you wonderful and given you some sort of mandate, and you will screw it up royally, and in 2026 and 2028 you will lose because you will become arrogant and begin to suck worse than the Demcats.

Dear Democrats again, take heart, in two years you'll be back on top. Four years tops. Unless you do something REALLY, REALLY like unbelievably stupid in the meantime....so it's like 50/50.

I find this to be spot on!! I am also not ruling out that they might do something unbelievably stupid.

[xuphan]

I have my own version:

Dear Democrats, you lost because you pretty well suck.

Dear Republicans, you won because the Democrats suck and the people decided this time that you suck a bit less. However, you're going to believe that the people have declared you wonderful and given you some sort of mandate, and you will screw it up royally, and in 2026 and 2028 you will lose because you will become arrogant and begin to suck worse than the Demcats.

Dear Democrats again, take heart, in two years you'll be back on top. Four years tops. Unless you do something REALLY, REALLY like unbelievably stupid in the meantime....so it's like 50/50.

Ha, Even better version! Thanks for sharing.

[cutterX]

I gotta stop for gas on the way home. Can anyone let me know where to get that .99 cent/gallon I've been promised?

[XU 23]

Woke is pretty ingrained in the Democrat party leadership to the point where it’s religion… will take years to fix.

[xubrew]

Someone gets it!!

https://x.com/aggies_hc_belt/status/1854604963713790150?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

[94GRAD]

I don't agree much with what he says on here, but that post is 100% correct.

I understand, but you don't need to rub their noses in it. Being gracious in victory or defeat doesn't hurt.

[Xville]

I understand, but you don't need to rub their noses in it. Being gracious in victory or defeat doesn't hurt.

He said it because democrats are still pointing fingers at everyone else. It’s because trump voters are racist, misogynist, phobes whatever. Sure, there probably are some trump voters that are, just as there are some horrible people on the left that voted for Harris.

That’s not why Kamala lost. She lost because they don’t understand the reality of the working class, and don’t even try to.

[paulxu]

I think there are many valid reasons, some noted above, why the Democrats lost.
They certainly didn't explain the successes of the last 4 years adequately, and didn't even appeal enough to their base to have them turn out in the same numbers as 2020.
I hope the new administration will not do a lot of the rather wild stuff they promise (not vaccine children?) and that we'll have a good 4 years.
At the same time, I believe that highly regarded individuals like Milley, Kelly, McCraven and Mike Pence have cautioned us as to the unfitness of the next president for office. We should heed that caution.

[Xville]

I think there are many valid reasons, some noted above, why the Democrats lost.
They certainly didn't explain the successes of the last 4 years adequately, and didn't even appeal enough to their base to have them turn out in the same numbers as 2020.
I hope the new administration will not do a lot of the rather wild stuff they promise (not vaccine children?) and that we'll have a good 4 years.
At the same time, I believe that highly regarded individuals like Milley, Kelly, McCraven and Mike Pence have cautioned us as to the unfitness of the next president for office. We should heed that caution.

Heres yet another case where you believe the lie. RFK has insisted hes not taking away vaccines, but wants to give people the choice. If people want to choose to be idiots and let their kids get polio, by all means be a moron.

I am very excited by what he wants to do to the nutrition in our food. Its been a long long long time coming. Why do so many people all of a sudden have such stomach issues and gluten allergies? The additives and pure crap in our food should have been addressed a long time ago.

[xuphan]

Heres yet another case where you believe the lie. RFK has insisted hes not taking away vaccines, but wants to give people the choice. If people want to choose to be idiots and let their kids get polio, by all means be a moron.

I am very excited by what he wants to do to the nutrition in our food. Its been a long long long time coming. Why do so many people all of a sudden have such stomach issues and gluten allergies? The additives and pure crap in our food should have been addressed a long time ago.


I am all for and welcome common sense change to get rid of food dyes and other additives in our food. Someone else mentioned Trump wanting to set term limits on Congress. They are much needed changes that should have happened a long time ago. I just donÂ’t have any faith that these common sense issues will get resolved. Happy to be proven wrong though by this new administration.

[GoMuskies]

I read some moron leftist on Twitter today say that "Liberals need to build their own Joe Rogan". Bitch, did you not know that Bernie Sanders went on Rogan last election cycle and Rogan endorsed him? Did you not know that Fetterman was on Rogan literally FIVE DAYS AGO?!? Do you know how many times Abby fucking Martin has been on the Joe Rogan podcast? Don't know who she is? Well, count yourself lucky. I only know because I decided to pick a random Rogan episode to listen to on my jog one day, and I had to bleach my ears afterwards.

[paulxu]

Heres yet another case where you believe the lie. RFK has insisted hes not taking away vaccines, but wants to give people the choice. If people want to choose to be idiots and let their kids get polio, by all means be a moron.

He's certainly backed up a little from earlier positions post election.
But think about what you are saying. You decide that you're not going to give your kid the polio vaccine.
It's not that your kid may suffer from getting polio...it's that it's highly contagious and as a result your neighbor's kid might end up in an iron lung because you chose not to vaccinate your kid.
Because of my age, I was in the first set of kids to get it in 1954 at my grade school in Chattanooga.
By 1979 polio was gone from the US.
We've eradicated polio almost world wide through the efforts of Gates Foundation and Rotary International.
But RFK wants to let us make a choice about getting the vaccine before sending our child to school.
Wonderful.

[Xville]

He's certainly backed up a little from earlier positions post election.
But think about what you are saying. You decide that you're not going to give your kid the polio vaccine.
It's not that your kid may suffer from getting polio...it's that it's highly contagious and as a result your neighbor's kid might end up in an iron lung because you chose not to vaccinate your kid.
Because of my age, I was in the first set of kids to get it in 1954 at my grade school in Chattanooga.
By 1979 polio was gone from the US.
We've eradicated polio almost world wide through the efforts of Gates Foundation and Rotary International.
But RFK wants to let us make a choice about getting the vaccine before sending our child to school.
Wonderful.

Like I said, if people want to be stupid, let them be stupid. Natural selection…. We need less stupid people, so I’m all for it. I’ve vaccinated my kids… my body my choice amirite?

[GoMuskies]

Won't the other kid be vaccinated? Assuming his or her parents aren't morons, of course.

[Smails]

Won't the other kid be vaccinated? Assuming his or her parents aren't morons, of course.

Ding ding ding...

If my kids are protected, I'm not concerned about the poor choice of another parent. The key word in that sentence being 'choice'

[X-band '01]

The great Ohioan, JD Vance will be your Repub nominee in 2028.
After these next 4 years of greatness, there will be no contest.
Picking JD was genius.

And now the ball is in Mike DeWine's court - will Matt Dolan finally get the Senate seat he's run for twice and failed, or will it be a Trump loyalist?

[GoMuskies]

DeWine kind of hates Trump, doesn't he? Maybe he should appoint Sherrod Brown. I mean, the Republicans have 52. They can lose one.

[xubrew]

Heres yet another case where you believe the lie. RFK has insisted hes not taking away vaccines, but wants to give people the choice. If people want to choose to be idiots and let their kids get polio, by all means be a moron.

I am very excited by what he wants to do to the nutrition in our food. Its been a long long long time coming. Why do so many people all of a sudden have such stomach issues and gluten allergies? The additives and pure crap in our food should have been addressed a long time ago.

Isn’t RFK an odd choice for that job since he has no real medical background or experience??

[Strange Brew]

Isn’t RFK an odd choice for that job since he has no real medical background or experience??

Fine. I nominate Ville. He has experience in the field.

[Xville]

Isn’t RFK an odd choice for that job since he has no real medical background or experience??

Honestly, as I have gotten older, I’ve realized that medical professionals aren’t all that great. They were just really good at school. In the end, most are just bought and paid for actors that push whatever pharma sales rep tells them to. So, no I really don’t care.

I’d much rather have someone who has experience in sniffing out corruption, and he has a ton of experience in that.

[bobbiemcgee]

You have to be Proactive in your health care.Question everything.

[Lloyd Braun]

Honestly, as I have gotten older, I’ve realized that medical professionals aren’t all that great. They were just really good at school. In the end, most are just bought and paid for actors that push whatever pharma sales rep tells them to. So, no I really don’t care.

I’d much rather have someone who has experience in sniffing out corruption, and he has a ton of experience in that.

Shots fired. Ouch. I think you’re mostly wrong though there are some that fall in this category, like any profession.

Haven’t been to this thread in what feels like decades but glad it’s still around lol (that’s a lie)

Real quick on vaccines- just because you get a vaccine doesn’t mean you generate immune response and are immune (this was in response to Smails comment that “if my kids are protected” - you don’t know unless you draw titers on everyone, which is costly and impractical). Thats why we have herd immunity to protect us from polio, etc… the rate of vaccine refusal is increasing the last couple years, as hesitancy is increasing with so much anti-vax propaganda circulating. The less people that vaccinate, the more likely it is that vaccinated individuals also contract a disease they were vaccinated against. The safety and efficacy of most vaccines is well studied for decades. It’s good to ask questions but if there is a baseline distrust in medical professionals your source of information to make a decision is already skewed. We shouldn’t have to go through kids getting polio again for everyone to realize that polio is really more terrible than the risk of a vaccine reaction.

Also of note is that many states (Ohio is one) that allow exemptions for vaccines based on philosophical reasons (along with medical and religious). It’s already a decision left to the states. Just like many other triggering healthcare topics. I think most would agree that our government is responsible for protecting us and promoting welfare whether you trust the government or not to execute that duty there are reasonable laws in place to make that process easier.

Carry on, may check back in 4 years again!

[GoMuskies]

Never too early to start with the election odds! 2028 election:

Vance +320
Shapiro +450
Newsom +700
Whitmer +800
Warnock +1200
Haley +1600
Beshear +1800
Trump (!) +2000
Buttigieg +2000
Cuban +2000
DeSantis +2200
Ramaswamy +2500

Think there might be some value with DeSantis or Vivek. Trump at 20-1 is just trolling by the bookmaker.

[XU 23]

Never too early to start with the election odds! 2028 election:

Vance +320
Shapiro +450
Newsom +700
Whitmer +800
Warnock +1200
Haley +1600
Beshear +1800
Trump (!) +2000
Buttigieg +2000
Cuban +2000
DeSantis +2200
Ramaswamy +2500

Think there might be some value with DeSantis or Vivek. Trump at 20-1 is just trolling by the bookmaker.

What about 2032?

[Xuperman]

Isn’t RFK an odd choice for that job since he has no real medical background or experience??

Here is some of where RFK will focus.

In a recent interview, he brought up 2 critical issues.

"Why does Fruit Loops in the US have 17 ingredients and only 4 in Canada?" "Why does the US have 16% of global Covid deaths with only 4% of global population?"

'Ville is correct. He has decades of experience sniffing out, and suing, bad actors in health related industries. He is going to go after the Federal Agencies hard!

[Xuperman]

It is not clear what Trump has planned for Kennedy. It may be some sort of unofficial "Health Czar" position. However, if Trump can get him confirmed as HHS Secretary.....some heads are gonna roll.

[paulxu]

"Why does the US have 16% of global Covid deaths with only 4% of global population?"

Thanks for the morning chuckle. How about shining a light inside, or injecting with disinfectants, or sending equipment to Putin, or....never mind.

[Xville]

Trump hires the first ever Female White House Chief of Staff. But wait, I thought he hated women?

I have a buddy who is very high up in legal at the DHS in D.C., the stories he told me last night about some of these people in his department...Wow. There are some really really stupid indoctrinated people in government.

[Smails]

I have a buddy who is very high up in legal at the DHS in D.C., the stories he told me last night about some of these people in his department...Wow. There are some really really stupid indoctrinated people in government.

Color me shocked

[GoMuskies]

There's never been a female Chief of Staff? That's pretty crazy.

[Xuperman]

Thanks for the morning chuckle. How about shining a light inside, or injecting with disinfectants, or sending equipment to Putin, or....never mind.

I just posted what he said in the interview. Are you saying his numbers are not accurate?

[GoMuskies]

20 years of Democratic presidencies since 1992, and the top role for women in the White House was cigar holder.

[Xville]

20 years of Democratic presidencies since 1992, and the top role for women in the White House was cigar holder.

They are just so inclusive

[paulxu]

Like his former secretary in business, she'll be true to him. He won't have to worry about her saying he's unfit.

I just realized there is one good thing from this election. (I hope)
We'll no longer have to listen to his grade school antics of grievance and bullying.
Maybe no more "the election was stolen" little children's nick names for people he doesn't like, and the whining, crying nonsense may be gone.

Probably won't change the "I'm the greatest" and "stable genius" idiocy. But at least if the first part goes away people around the world won't think we're nuts.

[xuphan]

Trump hires the first ever Female White House Chief of Staff. But wait, I thought he hated women?

I have a buddy who is very high up in legal at the DHS in D.C., the stories he told me last night about some of these people in his department...Wow. There are some really really stupid indoctrinated people in government.

Really thought MTG would have been given this position.

[Xville]

Really thought MTG would have been given this position.

He hires smart women, she's a fucking idiot.

[Muskie in dayton]

I understand, but you don't need to rub their noses in it. Being gracious in victory or defeat doesn't hurt.
This is absolutely not “rubbing noses” in anything. See Lou’s posts for that. This is honest but very pointed feedback that the Party has gone batshit crazy since I was a member until about 12 years ago. If you don’t see that may mean you too may need some introspection. Remember, I originally was voting for RFK Jr. He is the Dem I grew up with. And what did they do when he didn’t “toe the line”? They figuratively lynched him, just like they do to anyone who dares cross their narrative. The party of love and tolerance, ladies and gentlemen. And as Xville points out, they’ve only doubled down on their evil since Tuesday. Introspection needed badly.

It’s also clear you have not been degraded, slandered, ostracized and censored for your political beliefs like I have by these demons that call themselves Democrats. It makes civil and rational discourse impossible.

As to parties, I’m actually a lot of fun! You may have even attended a few I threw at X. Lol.

[XU_Lou]

Never EVER forget that leftists allowed this to happen. Don't think this could happen in America? A presidential candidate was afraid to pick a Jew as her running mate because of the backlash she would receive from the antisemites in her party.



"Israeli Telegram channels on the Islamic pogrom in Amsterdam right now— Jews are run over by cars, stabbed, and lynched. Some are feared kidnapped."


https://gellerreport.com/2024/11/israel-sending-rescue-planes-to-amsterdam-to-save-jews-being-attacked-and-beaten-by-muslim-mobs.html/

https://x.com/search?q=Netherlands&src=typed_query

[noteggs]

Weird. EU considers to buy their LNG from the US vs Russia and Hamas now wants an immediate ceasefire. Wonder what event changed their minds?

[Strange Brew]

Weird. EU considers to buy their LNG from the US vs Russia and Hamas now wants an immediate ceasefire. Wonder what event changed their minds?

Imagine :) that…

[Muskie in dayton]

Now that the election is over, let’s have a complete forensic audit of votes in at least all swing states. Tie the vote to a ballot and to the person to confirm it’s real, legitimate, and unique. Then prosecute any fraud to the fullest extent of the law.

What do you think about that, Dems?

Then let’s do the same for 2020.

[paulxu]

Have you noticed the right only complains or worries about voter fraud and stolen elections when:
1 - they lose an election
2 - they think they might lose an election

We've listened to this since 2015 when Trump thought he might lose. Can we stop now?
Election officials go to great length to protect our voting process. Unless you can find some incidence of massive fraud, let it die.
60 lawsuits didn't help. The minuscule efforts at fraud mostly seem to be R's.

[GoMuskies]

I've been hearing a lot about election fraud from the online left the last few days. Crazy gonna crazy, left or right.

[waggy]

Have you noticed the right only complains or worries about voter fraud and stolen elections when:
1 - they lose an election
2 - they think they might lose an election

We've listened to this since 2015 when Trump thought he might lose. Can we stop now?
Election officials go to great length to protect our voting process. Unless you can find some incidence of massive fraud, let it die.
60 lawsuits didn't help. The minuscule efforts at fraud mostly seem to be R's.

The lawfare party wants to let it go now?

[bobbiemcgee]

Lost 61-1 in court so why not piss away more$

[waggy]

The 11 EASIEST Countries for Americans to Move to (https://digitalemigre.com/relocation/easiest-countries-for-americans-to-move-to/)

[noteggs]

FEMA supervisor told relief teams to skip homes with Trump signs in Florida. I’m sorry but what? Sounds like a threat to that thing.

[bjf123]

FEMA supervisor told relief teams to skip homes with Trump signs in Florida. I’m sorry but what? Sounds like a threat to that thing.

She’s been relieved of her duties. That’s the minimum that should happen. Imagine the backlash had a Republican been in office and FEMA had said the same thing about Harris signs. Lead story for weeks!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[paulxu]

Don't have to imagine it at all:


But former Trump administration officials have said the former president, when in office, initially refused to release federal disaster aid for wildfires in California in 2018, withheld wildfire assistance for Washington state in 2020, and severely restricted emergency relief to Puerto Rico in the wake of the devastating Hurricane Maria in 2017 because he felt these places were not sufficiently supportive of him.

Can we "relieve" him of his duties?

[Strange Brew]

Don't have to imagine it at all:



Can we "relieve" him of his duties?

Source?

[paulxu]

Google can be your friend too:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning

[Strange Brew]

Google can be your friend too:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/13/trump-disaster-funding-warning

The Guardian?!?!?

Holy hell, you wanker! Hahahahahahahah!

You’re a muppet. ;)

[UCGRAD4X]

Have you noticed the right only complains or worries about voter fraud and stolen elections when:
1 - they lose an election
2 - they think they might lose an election

We've listened to this since 2015 when Trump thought he might lose. Can we stop now?
Election officials go to great length to protect our voting process. Unless you can find some incidence of massive fraud, let it die.
60 lawsuits didn't help. The minuscule efforts at fraud mostly seem to be R's.

Schumer and Senate Democrats are denying the election results in #PASen (https://x.com/hashtag/PASen?src=hashtag_click).

[paulxu]

The Guardian?!?!?

Holy hell, you wanker! Hahahahahahahah!

You’re a muppet. ;)

What, you don't believe your convicted felon? Why not? What's the matter with you?


“Gavin Newscum [Newsom] is going to sign those papers,” Trump said, seemingly referencing a 2020 federal decision to increase water deliveries by weakening endangered species rules that Newsom sued over. “If he doesn’t sign those papers, we won’t give him money to put out all his fires, and if we don’t give him the money to put out his fires, he’s got problems.”

[Strange Brew]

What, you don't believe your convicted felon? Why not? What's the matter with you?

Again source your quotes.

BTW, how’s that document case you were oh so sure about going?

[bobbiemcgee]

Another murder plot against T.Time to roll out odds he will
Survive

[paulxu]

Again source your quotes.

BTW, how’s that document case you were oh so sure about going?

https://news.yahoo.com/news/trump-threatens-hold-disaster-money-202507406.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMQwHFZ6TQ4vbN9aEv1gZlzZYMZa _HgEkEBIFgq9UwPpGlWXv7bJzHSfl_UaE6Zkdm1J3EC_RhjSYO 8KXQZc-Z-7Tmnf1bcUEdVFyMyw5kSZsyWtnj2sc4ZB2BqmH7hth3SwcePi1 knC55ISuo67gI3HrFVDSKqgJRQviP8Mlb3l

Sadly it looks like the convicted felon/sexual assaulter will get away with stealing and refusing to return top secret documents.
Will be interesting if he pardons others who are also indicted.
We must be the laughing stock of the world. The country which believes in the rule of law just elected a felon as its president.
It's a first if nothing else.

[GoMuskies]

Imagine how bad the other candidate must have been!

[GoMuskies]

Here's what Trump told the WSJ editorial board about his deportation program. Sounding the right notes, at least:

When he visited the Journal recently, we asked about aliens who have been here for years, who might have U.S. citizen spouses and children. His response was that he wanted to help them.

“We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it,” Mr. Trump said. “This has been going on for a long time. It’s a complicated subject.” He declined to specify whom he’d deport: “I don’t want to go too much into clarification, because the nicer I become, the more people that come over illegally.” Yet after stringent talk about deterrence, he ended with nuance: “There are some human questions that get in the way of being perfect, and we have to have the heart, too.”

[XU 23]

I am a lifelong Democrat but I think we need to more our platform further to the left. The American people are ready for socialism and we need to capitalize on our gains with suburban white women before it's too late...

[Xville]

I am a lifelong Democrat but I think we need to more our platform further to the left. The American people are ready for socialism and we need to capitalize on our gains with suburban white women before it's too late...

I sincerely hope, that this post is in jest. You just lost because of how left your candidate was. Suburban white women hate you.

I hope you don’t believe what you wrote and I’m just not picking up on the sarcastic tone. It’s beyond ignorant. I’d invite you to get out of your bubble and experience the real world before coming to conclusions like that.

[GoMuskies]

It's sarcasm.

[noteggs]

Yeah the dude is normally sarcastic. His joke after the election cracked me up. Something like the results were weird because people in his sociology class voted for Harris.

[UCGRAD4X]

I am a lifelong Democrat but I think we need to more our platform further to the left. The American people are ready for socialism and we need to capitalize on our gains with suburban white women before it's too late...

I haven't made gains on suburban white women in soooooo long.....

[Xville]

My bad then I apologize for not picking up what you’re putting down.

[Xville]

the racist just hired the first ever Latino Secretary of State. the hits keep coming.

[Xville]

in one of the biggest grifts ever, the harris campaign is 20 million in debt lol

[GoMuskies]

Got $1 billion and still couldn't avoid going over. Impressive.

[GoMuskies]

I guess a little something for everyone in the new cabinet. It looks like the leading candidate for Treasury Secretary is Scott Bessent. Bessent was previously CIO at Soros Fund Management.

Yes, that Soros.

[noteggs]

Wait a minute, isn’t he gay as well? Thought pubs and the president elect are homophobic? Strange way to show it. (Sarc font)

[Masterofreality]

Have you noticed the right only complains or worries about voter fraud and stolen elections when:
1 - they lose an election
2 - they think they might lose an election

We've listened to this since 2015 when Trump thought he might lose. Can we stop now?
Election officials go to great length to protect our voting process. Unless you can find some incidence of massive fraud, let it die.
60 lawsuits didn't help. The minuscule efforts at fraud mostly seem to be R's.

How is it that Harris received 71 million votes in an “Existential Crisis” election- fully 10 million LESS than Joe Biden “allegedly” received?
Meanwhile Trump received almost exactly the same amount as 2020, and will win the Popular Vote?
I’ll let you figure out what that might mean.

[Masterofreality]

And now the ball is in Mike DeWine's court - will Matt Dolan finally get the Senate seat he's run for twice and failed, or will it be a Trump loyalist?

Former Ohio GOP Chairperson Jane Timken, from Canton, would be a great choice.
Frank LaRose would also be one- and a close associate of DeWine.

[paulxu]

How is it that Harris received 71 million votes in an “Existential Crisis” election- fully 10 million LESS than Joe Biden “allegedly” received?
Meanwhile Trump received almost exactly the same amount as 2020, and will win the Popular Vote?
I’ll let you figure out what that might mean.

It means Dems didn't turn out like they did the first time. Sad.
But...I guess you're proud you elected this person:

- bankrupted casinos
- ran a sham university for which he paid back millions
- ran a sham charity which he had to reimburse people for, shut it down, and is prevented from running another
- cheated on his pregnant wife, but supposedly carries the banner of "Christian nationalism"
- dishonors our military by calling them suckers/losers and wonders why anyone would join
- claimed bone spurs to avoid the draft
- is rated unfit for office by dozens who actually worked for him, many inside the white house and secretaries of government branches
- incited an insurrection against the government for which hundreds are now in jail
- was impeached twice
- is an adjudicated sexual abuser
- brags about his mistreatment of women, yet is supported by supposed Christians
- retained government secrets and instructed lawyers and others to help do so
- is awaiting trial on 2 federal and one state indictment
- is a convicted felon

I'm embarrassed for our country. We could have done better.

[Masterofreality]

It means Dems didn't turn out like they did the first time. Sad.
But...I guess you're proud you elected this person.

I'm embarrassed for our country. We could have done better.

WOW . Democrats didn’t turn out when the opposition was Hitler???
And Democrats had a chance to elect the “First Woman & Woman of Color” President?
Yet, they “all” turned out for a 78 year old WHITE MAN?
Your ilk talks about “inclusion” yet “turns out” for a rich WHITE MAN and not for a POC in an “End of Democracy” election????
You should be embarrassed for your ilk, supposedly “showing up” with 81 million “votes” in 2020 and 71 million votes in 2024.
But think a little harder. You’ll eventually figure it out.

[GoMuskies]

Trump actually let Elon name a government department DOGE. That's happening.

At least my 17 year-old will get a chuckle.

[Xuperman]

I haven't made gains on suburban white women in soooooo long.....

I have the exact same dilemma. I am thinking about changing cologne.

[XU 23]

Matt Gaetz for AG

[XU 23]

I think Mike Lindell would be a better fit.

[paulxu]

When your own party’s Ethics Committee is going to issue you subpoenas as they investigate you for sex with underage girls, it makes perfect sense that a convicted felon who is also a sexual assaulter names you for AG.
Only the best people.

[Xville]

Matt Gaetz for AG

Hate this pick. Guy is an ultimate douchebag.

[XU 23]

Hate this pick. Guy is an ultimate douchebag.

He looks like one, too.

[xuphan]

Matt Gaetz for AG

Wow! Wasn’t expecting someone like Matt Gaetz to get a cabinet job. Wonder what roles Alex Jones and Rudy Giuliani will get in this administration.

[XU 23]

Wow! Wasn’t expecting someone like Matt Gaetz to get a cabinet job. Wonder what roles Alex Jones and Rudy Giuliani will get in this administration.

Forgot the pillow guy!

[xuphan]

Forgot the pillow guy!

Ha, totally forgot about that guy. Can only imagine how much MyPillow stock would soar if he were given a cabinet spot.

[X-band '01]

Now we know why Drumpf is hellbent on getting his cabinet confirmed via recess appointments. (And yes, I am aware that Barack Obama made liberal use of recess appointments as well)

I still find it amusing that apparently both Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy are both going to be heads of the Department of Government Efficiency (Doge?).

[GoMuskies]

At least he picked Tulsi for Intelligence.

The Gaetz pick is the first real head-scratcher for me. Don't love Rubio for Sec. of State, but he's no Gaetz.

[Muskie in dayton]

Have you noticed the right only complains or worries about voter fraud and stolen elections when:
1 - they lose an election
2 - they think they might lose an election

We've listened to this since 2015 when Trump thought he might lose. Can we stop now?
Election officials go to great length to protect our voting process. Unless you can find some incidence of massive fraud, let it die.
60 lawsuits didn't help. The minuscule efforts at fraud mostly seem to be R's.

You are so damn naive.

Vote fraud is prolific. Hell, a poll a couple years ago revealed that 20% of voters admitted to it! I don't care which side does it, and it's worth every penny to identify and prosecute it. Voting is the sacred foundation of a democratic republic and attempts to subvert that should be met with the harshest punishment possible.

[Muskie in dayton]

Lost 61-1 in court so why not piss away more$
That was the record challenging State laws that allowed the fraud. But I'm sure you already knew that.

We spent $175 billion on Ukraine. Hell, Kamala blew 1 billion on her shitty campaign. I think actually protecting democracy would be worth a small fraction of that.

It's almost like you want the fraud to continue...

[Muskie in dayton]

At least he picked Tulsi for Intelligence.

The best part is the crooked Biden regime/deep state put Tulsi on a Terror Watchlist after leaving the Democrat party and speaking out against them. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Very cold.

There will be hell to pay, and I LOVE IT!

[Muskie in dayton]

How is it that Harris received 71 million votes in an “Existential Crisis” election- fully 10 million LESS than Joe Biden “allegedly” received?
Meanwhile Trump received almost exactly the same amount as 2020, and will win the Popular Vote?
I’ll let you figure out what that might mean.
This is why we need forensic audits. The fact the Dems cheated in 2020 is absolutely irrefutable.

[XU 23]

Well if Gaetz doesn’t work out, Rudy Giuliani seems like a good fallback.

[paulxu]

There was so much voter fraud that Fox paid Dominion $787 million.

[xubrew]

Well if Gaetz doesn’t work out, Rudy Giuliani seems like a good fallback.

Rarely does Trump hire anyone that "works out." His track record is that he blames the people he hires for everything that goes wrong, criticizes them for being disloyal, and then fires them. So if you don't like who he's appointing, don't worry. Given his history most of them won't last two years anyway.

[xubrew]

This is why we need forensic audits. The fact the Dems cheated in 2020 is absolutely irrefutable.

There were extensive forensic audits. That's how Dominion was able to prove in court what they were accused of was bullshit and win their case. It's also kind of a head-scratcher how the Dems managed to cheat in 2020 when they no control whatsoever of the executive branch, but didn't cheat at all in 2024 when they were actually in power and in a much better position to cheat if they chose to.

[Xville]

How is it that Harris received 71 million votes in an “Existential Crisis” election- fully 10 million LESS than Joe Biden “allegedly” received?
Meanwhile Trump received almost exactly the same amount as 2020, and will win the Popular Vote?
I’ll let you figure out what that might mean.

Yeah those aren't going to be the final numbers.. Kamala is probably going to end up around 74 million and Trump 77-78. I'll let you figure out that again you know very little about anything.

It's not hard to figure out...Moderates went to Trump this time as the lesser of two evils, just like they went to Biden in 2020. It's not rocket science.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well if Gaetz doesn’t work out, Rudy Giuliani seems like a good fallback.

Guess Hannibal Lecter wasn:t available.

[Final4]

Yeah those aren't going to be the final numbers.. Kamala is probably going to end up around 74 million and Trump 77-78. I'll let you figure out that again you know very little about anything.

It's not hard to figure out...Moderates went to Trump this time as the lesser of two evils, just like they went to Biden in 2020. It's not rocket science.

You're such a condescending tool. Have you ever stopped to wonder why you're simultaneously engaged in multiple arguments, with multiple people, in multiple threads?

[GoMuskies]

I'm not really sure what Trump is going with this Gaetz nom. Surely he's not getting confirmed. Gaetz immediately resigning from Congress is odd, too. Does this just give Gaetz cover to resign from the House and avoid the ethics investigation? Then he can get some pointless job in the administration once his nomination is eventually pulled?

[xubrew]

I'm not really sure what Trump is going with this Gaetz nom. Surely he's not getting confirmed. Gaetz immediately resigning from Congress is odd, too. Does this just give Gaetz cover to resign from the House and avoid the ethics investigation? Then he can get some pointless job in the administration once his nomination is eventually pulled?

If your speculation is correct, and it very well may be, I think I would actually tip my cap to these tactics!

[Xville]

You're such a condescending tool. Have you ever stopped to wonder why you're simultaneously engaged in multiple arguments, with multiple people, in multiple threads?

Did you ever stop to think that maybe they are the “know it alls” and condescending tools or did you forget about his nil diatribe? There are maybe three people here that are continual problem children. Let the adults talk and stay out of it.

I call out bullshit when I see it. MOR just happens to propagate more of it than anyone else.