Politics Thread

[xuwillie]

Vance just killed his town hall on NewsNation. Polished and very effective.

He's the best of the four and it's not even close. Not sure I would have said that 6 months ago

[Muskie in dayton]

He's the best of the four and it's not even close. Not sure I would have said that 6 months ago
100%.

The R’s have the pragmatism of Gabbard and RFK Jr., and the intelligence of Vance, Vivek and Musk. It’s the dream team… and Trump too. The Dems are basically the Jamaican Bobsled team, but less articulate.

[Xuperman]

Unfortunately, were are faced with 4 more years pain.

We are about to elect-

A DEI hire Criminal/Social Justice warrior from SAN FRANCISCO!

OR

A morally bankrupt geriatric, that half the country despises, on a revenge rampage!

Either way, the safeguards of our Constitution will be put to the ultimate test.

If Trump gets elected, the political Left and MSM will be in total meltdown. Chaos will ensue.

If Harris gets elected, Trump himself will be in total meltdown. Chaos will ensue.

It going to be a "Long, strange, trip"....Happy Holidays y'all.

[GoMuskies]

Calm before the storm? Feels like something crazy is going to happen in the next dozen days. No idea what or which side it will effect, but it just doesn't feel like we're going to skate into Election Day without some wild twists and turns. On the betting side, Kamala's odds are getting just a touch shorter.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 62.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

It's Joe Rogan day. Should be interesting to see what a three hour Trump conversation sounds like. I'm guessing he'll sound old and scattered. Because, well, he's old and scatter-brained.

Trump -170
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[xubrew]

It's Joe Rogan day. Should be interesting to see what a three hour Trump conversation sounds like. I'm guessing he'll sound old and scattered. Because, well, he's old and scatter-brained.

Trump -170
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

So is Polymarket not available to people in the United States??


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[STL_XUfan]

So is Polymarket not available to people in the United States??

Where there is a will there is a way

[xubrew]

Where there is a will there is a way

Therein lies the problem. I don't have that much of a will.

[94GRAD]

100%.

The R’s have the pragmatism of Gabbard and RFK Jr., and the intelligence of Vance, Vivek and Musk. It’s the dream team… and Trump too. The Dems are basically the Jamaican Bobsled team, but less articulate.

This gave me a good chuckle this morning

[GoMuskies]

Therein lies the problem. I don't have that much of a will.

Betonline is available to Americans as long as your credit card will make payment to a Khazakhstan company with a name like Kazkommertsbank KazMuni Halyk Bogatyr....at least that's what one of my close friends who totally exists tells me.

[bjf123]

I saw something the other day about a foreign person has bet $28 million with polymarket on a Trump victory.


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[GoMuskies]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/24/polymarket-trump-french-election-bet.html

That's just crazy

You mean this?

[bobbiemcgee]

I think we will get the raper-in-chief textbook fascist. Sad times for America.

[noteggs]

Betonline is available to Americans as long as your credit card will make payment to a Khazakhstan company with a name like Kazkommertsbank KazMuni Halyk Bogatyr....at least that's what one of my close friends who totally exists tells me.

Hey I know that guy! Went to X together. Everyone called him bogie.

[bjf123]

Heard on the radio that the liberal Washington Post is not endorsing a presidential candidate this election. First time that’s ever happened.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Didn't realize I've been living in a " garbage can"

[Strange Brew]

Didn't realize I've been living in a " garbage can"

Well, you do seem kind of grouchy.

[bjf123]

Apparently there’s some voter registration fraud in Pennsylvania. I thought fraud was nonexistent? That’s what the Left and MSM have been saying. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1849855079060472244?s=61&t=atwq9BjXquoKWiKfBRN9fw

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pennsylvania-county-investigating-fraudulent-voter-applications-2024-10-25/


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[paulxu]

Not "non existent."
Minuscule; and generally Republicans are the ones doing it.
If it's true, and it's Dems...throw the book at 'em.

From the article you linked:

There was no obvious partisan motive, D'Agostino said at a news conference on Friday.
"It doesn't seem that it's any one party," he said. "In some cases, they're registering in different parties; in some cases, they're just changing an address or appearing to change an address."

[GoMuskies]

The 2 hour, 58 minute Trump appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast is up on Spotify if anyone is interested. I'm going to listen to it before I hear any commentary so I can judge for myself.

Imagine going back in tine 25 years and telling people that someday the dude from Newsradio (no not that guy, the other one, no the other other one, no the other other other one) would be interviewing the guy with the casinos in Atlantic City, and it would be probably the most significant media event in a Presidential election. Strange world.

[Strange Brew]

Not "non existent."
Minuscule; and generally Republicans are the ones doing it.
If it's true, and it's Dems...throw the book at 'em.

From the article you linked:

How does your dog food taste?

[Strange Brew]

The 2 hour, 58 minute Trump appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast is up on Spotify if anyone is interested. I'm going to listen to it before I hear any commentary so I can judge for myself.

Imagine going back in tine 25 years and telling people that someday the dude from Newsradio (no not that guy, the other one, no the other other one, no the other other other one) would be interviewing the guy with the casinos in Atlantic City, and it would be probably the most significant media event in a Presidential election. Strange world.

Is it on YouTube yet? Not going to promote Spotify after the attempt to silence Joe and free speech.

Not that I want to pay Google any more money. ;)

[Xuperman]

Was listening to Cunningham yesterday and he brought up an interesting scenario. If Trump gets elected, and is assassinated BEFORE he is sworn in, who would be President?

I would assume it would be Biden until things get figured out, but according to him there is nothing specific in the Constitution about this.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-constitutions-elections-us-supreme-court-91ce484b8046e6a555e172f42c4441f9

Looks like up until the January6th certification is where it gets complicated.

[GoMuskies]

I listened to the Trump/Rogan podcast, and it was okay. If you like Trump, you'll think it's great. If you don't like him, your opinion's not likely to change. But he spoke comfortably about a wide range of topics for three hours and seemed mentally competent at least. He didn't sound like literally Hitler or Mussolini.

I know Rogan says he doesn't do interviews but does "conversations", but he was an bit too easy on Trump even by that standard. Which is frankly why Harris should go on as well. Rogan is kinda like that with everyone.

Oh, and Trump said if he won it would be his last election, so it's good he's at least acknowledging that he can't do a third term.

[paulxu]

Let’s see; should I vote for
A - a convicted felon, charity scam artist, sex abuser, indicted stealer of state secrets, who says he won’t do what he can’t do anyway (be the president a third time)
or
B - a former AG, Senator and VP

Hmmm….such a tough choice.

[GoMuskies]

Choice A is just former President based on how you describe Choice B.

[Muskie in dayton]

Let’s see; should I vote for
A - a convicted felon, charity scam artist, sex abuser, indicted stealer of state secrets, who says he won’t do what he can’t do anyway (be the president a third time)
or
B - a former AG, Senator and VP

Hmmm….such a tough choice.

Considering A has a proven track record of peace and prosperity as President, and B promotes communist policies, has destroyed peace and prosperity and is a babbling fool, it's really not a tough choice at all.

Democrat policy sucks, which is why they run on lies.

[Muskie in dayton]

The Democrats' and their media proxy's calls for censorship are getting very concerning. This is my number 1 issue, as without free speech, we are no longer free.

Misinformation does not need to be censored, as it can easily be refuted with truth. Only the truth needs to be censored.

[xuphan]

Let’s see; should I vote for
A - a convicted felon, charity scam artist, sex abuser, indicted stealer of state secrets, who says he won’t do what he can’t do anyway (be the president a third time)
or
B - a former AG, Senator and VP

Hmmm….such a tough choice.

Choice C - Vote for neither candidate.

[Xville]

Let’s see; should I vote for
A - a convicted felon, charity scam artist, sex abuser, indicted stealer of state secrets, who says he won’t do what he can’t do anyway (be the president a third time)
or
B - a former AG, Senator and VP

Hmmm….such a tough choice.

Hmmm such a ridiculous comparison. How about this:


A- non communist, against gender affirming youth transition, against killing babies with zero restrictions

B- flip flop dick sucking to get ahead communist.

Spare me the morality bullshit. There’s no moral bone in Kamala’s body

[paulxu]

Hmmm such a ridiculous comparison. How about this:


A- non communist, against gender affirming youth transition, against killing babies with zero restrictions

B- flip flop dick sucking to get ahead communist.

Spare me the morality bullshit. There’s no moral bone in Kamala’s body

Zero morality implied in a listing of facts. They’re just that…facts.

[paulxu]

Choice A is just former President based on how you describe Choice B.

Doesn’t speak well of the country who let a minority elect him.

[Xville]

Zero morality implied in a listing of facts. They’re just that…facts.

The point is, the other option is just as bad morally or worse so I don’t care that trump hurts your feelings. All of California and dc for that matter, is morally bankrupt, Kamala is a part of that cesspool

[Xville]

Doesn’t speak well of the country who let a minority elect him.

Really? You really want to go down that road? At least someone elected him, something your party thumbs their nose at

[paulxu]

The point is, the other option is just as bad morally or worse so I don’t care that trump hurts your feelings. All of California and dc for that matter, is morally bankrupt, Kamala is a part of that cesspool

Guilt by association with people who live near you? Really?
How about best buddies like Epstein?

[paulxu]

Really? You really want to go down that road? At least someone elected him, something your party thumbs their nose at

You’d think someone who was so great could get a majority to vote for him.

[Xville]

You’d think someone who was so great could get a majority to vote for him.

You’d think that since you are a citizen of this country that you’d be bothered by the way your party chose their candidate. But here we are. And please stop, just because a bunch of people in failing cities voted for one of the most corrupt politicians ever instead of trump doesnt mean much.

And oh by the way, that’s not how we elect people, so your point is fruitless.

[Xville]

Guilt by association with people who live near you? Really?
How about best buddies like Epstein?

Well she sucked a married guys dick to get an ahead, fact. So again stop with the moral crap

[Strange Brew]

Doesn’t speak well of the country who let a minority elect him.

Someone hates the Constitution..am I right? :)

What’s your problem with minorities, Paul?

[paulxu]

Well she sucked a married guys dick to get an ahead, fact. So again stop with the moral crap

Facts, no moral crap.

He's a convicted felon. She's not.
He ran a fake university and charity. She didn't.
He's been adjudged a sexual abuser. She hasn't
He's out on parole and bail from multiple indictments/convictions. She's not.
He paid a porn star and playboy. She dated a man who was separated from his wife for a decade.
And all you've got is a made up conspiracy.

[Strange Brew]

Facts, no moral crap.

He's a convicted felon. She's not. (Only person ever charged in NY for that “crime”)
He ran a fake university and charity. She didn't. (He lent his name to a real estate scheme. Probably had no clue in the late 90’s)
He's been adjudged a sexual abuser. She hasn't. (Haha, none of my “college educated” friends buy that nonsense)
He's out on parole and bail from multiple indictments/convictions. She's not. (Um, how are those case going. I’m sorry you hate the Constitution)
He paid a porn star and playboy. She dated a man who was separated from his wife for a decade. (Yeah?)
And all you've got is a made up conspiracy.

BTW, who’s the Fascist again?

Israel just struck Iran.

That is a huge problem. Tell me again whom in the Harris/Biden adimin is running this ship currently?

[Strange Brew]

He's the best of the four and it's not even close. Not sure I would have said that 6 months ago

Yep.

[Xville]

Facts, no moral crap.

He's a convicted felon. She's not.
He ran a fake university and charity. She didn't.
He's been adjudged a sexual abuser. She hasn't
He's out on parole and bail from multiple indictments/convictions. She's not.
He paid a porn star and playboy. She dated a man who was separated from his wife for a decade.
And all you've got is a made up conspiracy.

A made up conspiracy? Lol. Ok sure.

She think mutilating children is no big deal

[Strange Brew]

A made up conspiracy? Lol. Ok sure.

She think mutilating children is no big deal

Be nice.

[Xville]

Or how about this? Accusing kavanaugh of gang rape without a shred of evidence? Liar,
Morally bankrupt. Whatever you want to call it

[paulxu]

Maybe Pop can explain it to you in a way you'll grasp the reality. I can only hope.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1850313411990581607

[Xville]

Maybe Pop can explain it to you in a way you'll grasp the reality. I can only hope.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1850313411990581607

Yes we should definitely go by what an nba coach with a history of far left ideals says. Never talked about policy and btw what a freaking waste of everyone’s time for a French reporter to even ask the question. What else should we expect from France though

[Xville]

Michelle Obama says anyone that doesn’t vote for Kamala is racist and sexist.

Barack: I wonder how we got so divisive in this country.

[bjf123]

Michelle Obama says anyone that doesn’t vote for Kamala is racist and sexist.

Barack: I wonder how we got so divisive in this country.

That’s why I said the country wasn’t ready for a black president when Obama was elected or for a female black president if Kamala is elected. You couldn’t criticize Obama without being called racist and you won’t be able to criticize Harris without being labeled a sexist racist. The criticism can’t possibly be because you don’t like the policies. Has to be because you’re an -ist of some kind.


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[Xville]

Be nice.

Piss off

[paulxu]

Election humor :)




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ga2eCooWAAACK16?format=png&name=small

[GoMuskies]

So who's watching the Nazi rally at the home of the Big East Tournament?

[STL_XUfan]

So who's watching the Nazi rally at the home of the Big East Tournament?
The warm up act was a choice. Sure that won’t be used in any last week attack ads.

[GoMuskies]

The warm up act was a choice. Sure that won’t be used in any last week attack ads.

Who are you referring to? I saw a clip of Dr. Phil. Pretty sure you're not referring to him. I saw Tucker. Guessing that's not it, because he's not really controversial (even though a lot of people don't like him). Tony Hinchcliffe? I don't really know anything about him. He's got a podcast, I think?

[paulxu]

Audience leaving during the feature act:

https://x.com/i/status/1850693138995921324

[GoMuskies]

Audience leaving during the feature act:

https://x.com/i/status/1850693138995921324

Didn't click on the link. Is this people leaving Kamala's rally when they realized Beyonce wasn't going to perform?

[paulxu]

Nope. MAGAs that had seen the movie before.

[Strange Brew]

Piss off

Articulate. Are you British?

[Xuperman]

So who's watching the Nazi rally at the home of the Big East Tournament?

It really is impossible to understand. The entire event was political torture. Most of those speakers came off as Democrat "plants", sent in to torpedo the Trump campaign. My God what a nightmare.... it could not have been worse.

[X-band '01]

Articulate. Are you British?

Pretty he would have said "Piss off, wanker" if he were British.

[X-band '01]

Didn't click on the link. Is this people leaving Kamala's rally when they realized Beyonce wasn't going to perform?

Nah, you're supposed to say that they were Democratic plants designed to leave the rally.

[Xville]

Not sure who the candidate would have been without Trump in there, but any of them would have been better than this imbecile.

I've been hard on Vivek in the past because sometimes he tries way too hard like the dork who tries to fit in with the cool crowd. But when he turns the clown personality off, he's extremely smart and pragmatic in his approach. He'd be a good option for '28.

[GoMuskies]

It's Joe Rogan day. Should be interesting to see what a three hour Trump conversation sounds like. I'm guessing he'll sound old and scattered. Because, well, he's old and scatter-brained.

Trump -170
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

All the momentum in the betting markets is with Trump as we enter the last full week of the campaign (thank God it will be over soon). Strap in, because it's going to be a wild ride this week.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Also, I grabbed a bit more Harris at +165 this morning. She was +175 at one point yesterday, and I wish I had grabbed some then. I think this week will be a roller coaster, and I suspect I'll be able to get Trump at less than -165 at some point this week to lock in a win.

[bjf123]

Pretty he would have said "Piss off, wanker" if he were British.

Or “Bugger off, wanker!”


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[xubrew]

All the momentum in the betting markets is with Trump as we enter the last full week of the campaign (thank God it will be over soon). Strap in, because it's going to be a wild ride this week.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Also, I grabbed a bit more Harris at +165 this morning. She was +175 at one point yesterday, and I wish I had grabbed some then. I think this week will be a roller coaster, and I suspect I'll be able to get Trump at less than -165 at some point this week to lock in a win.

I still need to place my bet!!

[Muskie in dayton]

Shame on you Democrats for your disgusting, vile, and downright dangerous conduct. You are irresponsible and are going to provoke one of your lunatic followers to violence. This rhetoric no place in a civilized society! Absolutely inexcusable.

Morning Joe on X: ""This was a hate rally. This was not just a presidential rally, this was not just a campaign rally. I think it's important for people to understand these are mini January 6 rallies, these are mini Stop the Steal rallies." -@aoc @repaoc on Trump's New York City rally https://t.co/c57RXnVo3d" / X (https://x.com/morning_joe/status/1850860799289336225?s=43)

Resist the Mainstream on X: "Reporter: Do you see the comparison between Trump’s rally and a Nazi rally? Kamala: This is not a new discovery about Trump https://t.co/bNNEtUttDD" / X (https://x.com/resistthems/status/1850933120918487096?s=43)

[bobbiemcgee]

I think he lost a few million PR votes in over 5 states

[GoMuskies]

I think he lost a few million PR votes in over 5 states

He definitely didn't. No one who was considering voting for Trump cares about a joke some comic told. There definitely could be some folks who were gonna stay home that are more motivated to get out and vote against him because of this, but likely limited. This is mostly about people who already hated Trump confirming their priors.

[bobbiemcgee]

He invited the guy no?

[xuphan]

He invited the guy no?

Definitely not the Christian party they so claim to be.

[xubrew]

Dear Left,

Trump is a bad guy, and a trainwreck of a leader, and a lying narcissistic piece of shit. But he's not Hitler. Just stop it.

[GoMuskies]

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections


Betting markets are holding steady with one week to go.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[xuwillie]

Dear Left,

Trump is a bad guy, and a trainwreck of a leader, and a lying narcissistic piece of shit. But he's not Hitler. Just stop it.


It really is out of control. And you have Obama questioning where all the decisiveness came from..what an idiot. And its not just Trump, they are calling pretty much half the population Nazis now.

[xubrew]

If you don't like what a guy says and does, then you need to just stick to what it is they actually say and do when you criticize them. There is an entire warehouse full of stuff to be critical of when it comes to Trump! Stick to that!! He's not a Nazi. It's easy to rebut when you try and say he is a Nazi, and it makes YOU look bad instead of him! There's PLENTY of ACTUAL STUFF to choose from!!

[bjf123]

Dear Left,

Trump is a bad guy, and a trainwreck of a leader, and a lying narcissistic piece of shit. But he's not Hitler. Just stop it.

The Left is very good at throwing out labels without any evidence to back them up.


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[xubrew]

The Left is very good at throwing out labels without any evidence to back them up.


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Yes. They are. And they're very bad at being critical of the things that they can actually legitimately be critical of. So the end result is that what needs to be criticized isn't, and instead they themselves get beaten down for basically just talking all kinds of crazy.

[GoMuskies]

Rogan and Kamala have been in talks, but it doesn't sound like it's going to happen. Too bad. I think it would be great to hear Harris sit down and just shoot the shit with Rogan for three hours, but she doesn't want to go to Austin, and she only wants to give him an hour.

Maybe it will be a last minute surprise and the episode will drop on Monday for maximum late campaign bounce (though it seems everyone is voting early this year).

[Xville]

I think he lost a few million PR votes in over 5 states

I guess by this amazing logic, Kamala lost a few million Mexican American Votes in over how many states?

It's a joke, by a comedian.

[Xville]

Rogan and Kamala have been in talks, but it doesn't sound like it's going to happen. Too bad. I think it would be great to hear Harris sit down and just shoot the shit with Rogan for three hours, but she doesn't want to go to Austin, and she only wants to give him an hour.

Maybe it will be a last minute surprise and the episode will drop on Monday for maximum late campaign bounce (though it seems everyone is voting early this year).

From what i have seen, numbers are way down compared to 2020, which makes sense.

[Smails]

I'm not sure what this translates to, but it's been pretty clear over the last couple weeks that the Harris camp has been laser focused on Trump's rhetoric and potty mouth. While most of the talking points coming from the right and Trump specifically have been attacking her record. If you tell me that week from today will be an electoral landslide for Harris, I can honestly see that happening. I can also see a landslide path for Trump. I can also see multiple recounts, protesting, and a huge sh*tshow taking place.

[xubrew]

Election Day is a week from tomorrow!! That means we are just two months away from knowing who won!!!

[GoMuskies]

Election Day is a week from tomorrow!! That means we are just two months away from knowing who won!!!

A week from tomorrow?!? Who are you trying to fool into not voting?

[94GRAD]

Election Day is a week from tomorrow!! That means we are just two months away from knowing who won!!!


A week from tomorrow?!? Who are you trying to fool into not voting?

Can't fool me! I've mailed a ballot and early voted in person. I plan on getting a third vote in next Tuesday.

[STL_XUfan]

I'm not sure what this translates to, but it's been pretty clear over the last couple weeks that the Harris camp has been laser focused on Trump's rhetoric and potty mouth. While most of the talking points coming from the right and Trump specifically have been attacking her record. If you tell me that week from today will be an electoral landslide for Harris, I can honestly see that happening. I can also see a landslide path for Trump. I can also see multiple recounts, protesting, and a huge sh*tshow taking place.

Seems like they are micro targeting Halely primary voters in the blue wall states. Difference between a landslide on either side is going to be about 40,000 people across 4 states, so should be fun.

[xubrew]

A week from tomorrow?!? Who are you trying to fool into not voting?

There's no smooth way out of this. I don't know what day today is. It's been that kind of week.

[Muskie in dayton]

Virginia: The Dems are FIGHTING the REMOVAL of thousands of non-U.S. Citizens from the voter roles.

Ohio: The Biden administration is BLOCKING the State from accessing databases to verify if voters are U.S. Citizens

Pennsylvania: A fraudulent voter registration scheme involving thousands of fake applications has been busted.

Nevada: The Dems passed a law that allows mail-in ballots WITHOUT A POSTMARK up to 3-DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION to be counted.

Oregon: R-heavy area had their ballot drop box firebombed.

Georgia: Dems are suing to PREVENT monitoring of drop boxes by video surveillance.

Florida: A USPS worker was arrested for discarding ballots.

And this is just a sample, so far, in the 2024 election cycle. Without trust in our election system, we don't have democracy.

The solution is simple:
1) eliminating mail-in/drop box voting
2) Government-issued ID and proof of citizenship ID for voting
3) signature verification for every vote.

If you are against this, you are simply supporting fraud.

[bobbiemcgee]

Betting markets are holding steady with one week to go.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

I see you can buy derivites on Robin hood now lol

[GoMuskies]

I see you can buy derivites on Robin hood now lol

I read that today as well.

I have no idea how accurate the numbers are, but polymarket claims over $1.5 billion wagered on the election. About $950 million on Trump and about $600 million wagered on Harris. That is if I am reading their website correctly.

[paulxu]

The solution is simple:
1) eliminating mail-in/drop box voting
2) Government-issued ID and proof of citizenship ID for voting
3) signature verification for every vote.

If you are against this, you are simply supporting fraud.

All the Americans who live overseas, and all our service men/women in far off places around the globe, would like to thank you for not letting them vote.

What's wrong with you?

[Xville]

All the Americans who live overseas, and all our service men/women in far off places around the globe, would like to thank you for not letting them vote.

What's wrong with you?

He gets his news stories from x.

Although I do agree with his points of 2&3.

[paulxu]

If you don't like what a guy says and does, then you need to just stick to what it is they actually say and do when you criticize them. There is an entire warehouse full of stuff to be critical of when it comes to Trump! Stick to that!! He's not a Nazi. It's easy to rebut when you try and say he is a Nazi, and it makes YOU look bad instead of him! There's PLENTY of ACTUAL STUFF to choose from!!

What do you suggest?
2 top generals say he is a fascist.
OK...let's say he's NOT Hitler. I'll agree with that.

What should we call him when all of his language (from big lie, to vermin, to the enemy within, to the news media is the enemy, to putting people in detention centers, to using the military against the civilian population, encouraging violence, being convicted of crimes) is directly lifted from a former Nazi?
That's ACTUAL STUFF that you recommended be referenced.

What would you suggest? A Nazi wannabe? Help me out here.

[GoMuskies]

If someone doesn't want to put Jews in ovens, you probably shouldn't call them a Nazi.

Asshole works, as a suggestion.

[GoMuskies]

Can't fool me! I've mailed a ballot and early voted in person. I plan on getting a third vote in next Tuesday.

Vote early, vote often!

[bobbiemcgee]

I guess by this amazing logic, Kamala lost a few million Mexican American Votes in over how many states?

It's a joke, by a comedian.

He hasn't denounced it as has all the pubs even rubio

[Smails]

If someone doesn't want to put Jews in ovens, you probably shouldn't call them a Nazi.

Asshole works, as a suggestion.

Nah...not politically charged enough, plus that's not one of the DNC daily email talking points. If you're looking for original thoughts...this is probably the wrong place.

[bobbiemcgee]

Funny that Romney's and hillary's comments screwed their election but the Trump morons will saunter on.

[bjf123]

Interesting opinion piece by Jeff Bezos about the lack of trust in the media. Maybe if they got out of their bubbles and practiced true journalism, people might start to trust and believe them in the future. Personally, I’d like to see them go after all politicians like they do against those on the right. Don’t trust any politicians and challenge their non answer answers when you question them. Don’t endorse political candidates or issues. Just report well investigated facts and let the voters decide.

I’m not holding my breath waiting for any of this to happen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/28/jeff-bezos-washington-post-trust/


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[GoMuskies]

Donald Trump hired a comedian who told a joke. Joe Biden called everyone who supports Trump garbage. Oops.

[xuphan]

Donald Trump hired a comedian who told a joke. Joe Biden called everyone who supports Trump garbage. Oops.

And neither political party have apologized for their remarks.

[Xville]

And neither political party have apologized for their remarks.

Why would or should the republicans apologize? It was a joke, by a comedian.

A little different than the potus calling half the country trash

[paulxu]

I'm not surprised by how easily the context of his remarks has been twisted.
But it helps deflect from the rally fallout.

[Xville]

I'm not surprised by how easily the context of his remarks has been twisted.
But it helps deflect from the rally fallout.

Oh here we go… the what he meant to say argument. This is what he said Paul word for word:

“They’re good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.”

Nice try though.

I’m sure Biden will come out soon and speak about Mexican Americans soon too.

The double standards by the left is hysterical.

The rhetoric from the left the last few weeks has been far and away worse than anything trump has ever said

[Smails]

It's been a 4 year spin cycle of corrections, clarifications, stutter references, under the weather excuses and just general ball washing. The bigger question is why in the hell was he giving remarks while Vice President Harris was holding a rally? Even more comedic is that her rally was about 'unity'. Great planning right there...lol

[GoMuskies]

Betting markets are holding steady with one week to go.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 66.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

One week until election day (according to 'brew). Trump continues his surprising steady momentum in the betting markets.

Trump -200
Harris +170

Polymarket has Trump with a 67.0% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[GoMuskies]

Non-betting market:

538 gives Trump a 52% chance to win.

[Xville]

What I am seeing is Republicans outside of Trump toning down the rhetoric and speaking on policy. With that, I feel better about the direction of the RNC once Trump goes away. Vance is a bit annoying, but I am starting to get on the Vivek train and some of the other up and comers in the party. I think once Trump is done, the rhetoric from the party will be toned down and much more palatable. It makes me a lot more comfortable to vote for Trump, even though I think he's a gross human being...I think our checks and balances will be fine with another 4 years of him.

On the opposite direction, the rhetoric from the left has been turned up a notch to the point of ridiculousness. The only leaders I see are Shapiro and Beshear who have mostly stayed away from it, and I don't see the DNC nominating folks like this, because these two aren't nuts enough about far left policy.

Anyways, all this is to say I think my feelings of those of a moderate republican, are that of quite a lot of people with the betting markets reflecting it.

[GoMuskies]

Here's the video. You decide.


https://youtu.be/F54hZP_rWiU?si=ybXWwzFvGRY114IG

[paulxu]

Oh here we go… the what he meant to say argument. This is what he said Paul word for word:

“They’re good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters.”

Here's the transcript. See how you put a "period" in the sentence that wasn't there?

It seems like he's referring to the supporters' language, not the supporters themselves.

Who knows for sure...but it makes great fodder for the grist mill and to raise money.
(And deflect from the MSG rally.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbGUSRlXAAA8lYQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[GoMuskies]

Jesus, the job of writing Biden's transcripts must be one of the more impossible jobs out there. Luckily, 100% accuracy is not required.

[paulxu]

Jesus, the job of writing Biden's transcripts must be one of the more impossible jobs out there. Luckily, 100% accuracy is not required.

He seems to be aging faster and faster. Sometimes very lucid, and other times struggling to get thoughts out.
My wife says I've got those issues :)

[GoMuskies]

He seems to be aging faster and faster.

I was actually shocked watching that video. He obviously been less visible since he dropped out of the race, so I hadn't heard much of him in a while.

[xuphan]

What I am seeing is Republicans outside of Trump toning down the rhetoric and speaking on policy. With that, I feel better about the direction of the RNC once Trump goes away. Vance is a bit annoying, but I am starting to get on the Vivek train and some of the other up and comers in the party. I think once Trump is done, the rhetoric from the party will be toned down and much more palatable. It makes me a lot more comfortable to vote for Trump, even though I think he's a gross human being...I think our checks and balances will be fine with another 4 years of him.

On the opposite direction, the rhetoric from the left has been turned up a notch to the point of ridiculousness. The only leaders I see are Shapiro and Beshear who have mostly stayed away from it, and I don't see the DNC nominating folks like this, because these two aren't nuts enough about far left policy.

Anyways, all this is to say I think my feelings of those of a moderate republican, are that of quite a lot of people with the betting markets reflecting it.

I could tolerate Vivik during his campaign but the way he is salivating all over Trump since dropping out has a lot to be desired and makes one question his morals. Same with Nikki Haley to be honest as well. I have tried to make peace with voting for either candidate but have come to the conclusion that neither candidate is fit to run for president. Since 2000, we have been through Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden. Both parties have had their time in the sunshine and have failed. Will be interesting to see who the moderates feel is less destructive to the country.

[xubrew]

Here's the video. You decide.


https://youtu.be/F54hZP_rWiU?si=ybXWwzFvGRY114IG

Yeah, he said the only garbage he sees out there are Trump supporters. Maybe that isn't what he meant to say, but that's what he actually said. To try and argue that's not what he said makes about as much sense as trying to argue that his tie is green.

And, even if he hadn't said it, this video is so unimpressive in its delivery that if a first year college student put this on Youtube and submitted it as an assignment for their speech class, they'd have failed the assignment. Good LORD!!

But...you know what?? It doesn't matter. Almost no one will vote any differently today than they would have a month ago. Or, two months ago. The election could have been in September and the results would have bene exactly the same as what they would have been next week. Perhaps some of this stuff will encourage first time voters or people who otherwise would not have voted to get out and vote, but almost no one has switched sides, and short of laying out a 'Scorched Earth' sort of plan that involves just nuking the entire country if they're elected to office, no one is going to switch sides. It is what it is at this point.

[Smails]

Jesus, the job of writing Biden's transcripts must be one of the more impossible jobs out there. Luckily, 100% accuracy is not required.

LOl...exactly. "Let's throw an apostrophe in there to see if we can create some possession versus a flat insult' It's a tough ask for sure..

[GoMuskies]

But...you know what?? It doesn't matter.

I think it matters....but only a little bit. Like everything at this point. There are people out there still undecided. I suspect mostly people who have crossed off one of the two candidates but are undecided whether to vote at all. Those are the people you're trying to get at this point. And Harris had some gold from Hinchcliff with the PR garbage to get momentum moving in her direction, and it was probably working to some extent. But she only got 36 hours, because dissecting the Biden video/quote is going to dominate the next 24-36 hour news cycle. So maybe Harris picked up some disaffected Puerto Ricans in swing states Sunday/Monday. And now Trump is probably picking up some Republicans in swing states who really don't like him yesterday/today.

And now we wait for the next big unforced error.

[xuphan]

I think it matters....but only a little bit. Like everything at this point. There are people out there still undecided. I suspect mostly people who have crossed off one of the two candidates but are undecided whether to vote at all. Those are the people you're trying to get at this point. And Harris had some gold from Hinchcliff with the PR garbage to get momentum moving in her direction, and it was probably working to some extent. But she only got 36 hours, because dissecting the Biden video/quote is going to dominate the next 24-36 hour news cycle. So maybe Harris picked up some disaffected Puerto Ricans in swing states Sunday/Monday. And now Trump is probably picking up some Republicans in swing states who really don't like him yesterday/today.

And now we wait for the next big unforced error.

Will probably happen today I would imagine.

[Xville]

Here's the transcript. See how you put a "period" in the sentence that wasn't there?

It seems like he's referring to the supporters' language, not the supporters themselves.

Who knows for sure...but it makes great fodder for the grist mill and to raise money.
(And deflect from the MSG rally.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GbGUSRlXAAA8lYQ?format=jpg&name=900x900

When you have to explain away his statement it’s like explaining a joke. It just falls flat. It’s ok you can admit he said something extremely stupid and btw he’s presumably still the president.

It’s like explaining away the process by which the dems nominated the lowest iq candidate we have ever seen.

[GoMuskies]

I hate to even bring up this issue that is the third rail of American society, but I feel like I just need to bravely walk through this viper pit of a topic: if we eliminate moving clocks back and forth an hour twice a year, are you team permanent standard time or team permanent daylight time?

I've been more of a night owl, so I think I would have gone daylight for most of my years on earth. But as I've gotten older (and now that my baseball coaching days are over), I've begun to put more value on morning sun and less on late evening sun. I think I've switched to team permanent standard time. Does that officially make me an old man?

[Xville]

I hate to even bring up this issue that is the third rail of American society, but I feel like I just need to bravely walk through this viper pit of a topic: if we eliminate moving clocks back and forth an hour twice a year, are you team permanent standard time or team permanent daylight time?

I've been more of a night owl, so I think I would have gone daylight for most of my years on earth. But as I've gotten older (and now that my baseball coaching days are over), I've begun to put more value on morning sun and less on late evening sun. I think I've switched to team permanent standard time. Does that officially make me an old man?

I’m with you but my reasoning is a bit different. It’s really difficult to get younger kids to sleep during the summer weekdays when it doesn’t get dark until almost 10pm here. :)

[xuphan]

I hate to even bring up this issue that is the third rail of American society, but I feel like I just need to bravely walk through this viper pit of a topic: if we eliminate moving clocks back and forth an hour twice a year, are you team permanent standard time or team permanent daylight time?

I've been more of a night owl, so I think I would have gone daylight for most of my years on earth. But as I've gotten older (and now that my baseball coaching days are over), I've begun to put more value on morning sun and less on late evening sun. I think I've switched to team permanent standard time. Does that officially make me an old man?

With having younger kids and bedtime routines, Standard time please! Curious which side the RNC and DNC stand for and when there will be a rally covering this issue.

[xubrew]

I hate to even bring up this issue that is the third rail of American society, but I feel like I just need to bravely walk through this viper pit of a topic: if we eliminate moving clocks back and forth an hour twice a year, are you team permanent standard time or team permanent daylight time?

I've been more of a night owl, so I think I would have gone daylight for most of my years on earth. But as I've gotten older (and now that my baseball coaching days are over), I've begun to put more value on morning sun and less on late evening sun. I think I've switched to team permanent standard time. Does that officially make me an old man?

I think turning the clocks back is one of the most insanely idiotic things we do. If you look at our entire history as a species, this perhaps tops the list of most stupid things ever. DO NOT TURN THE CLOCKS BACK!! I HATE when it's dark at 5pm!!!!!

[paulxu]

LOl...exactly. "Let's throw an apostrophe in there to see if we can create some possession versus a flat insult' It's a tough ask for sure..

It’s not the apostrophe added.
It’s the use of the singular verb “is” that indicates he’s talking about their language.
If he meant they were garbage, he’d have said “are” before a plural supporters.
You can easily hear that in the video.

[Smails]

I think turning the clocks back is one of the most insanely idiotic things we do. If you look at our entire history as a species, this perhaps tops the list of most stupid things ever. DO NOT TURN THE CLOCKS BACK!! I HATE when it's dark at 5pm!!!!!

x100

I need to be able to get 9 holes in starting at 4 or 5

[GoMuskies]

I think turning the clocks back is one of the most insanely idiotic things we do.

False, it gets me an extra hour in Vegas this weekend.

[Xville]

False, it gets me an extra hour in Vegas this weekend.

100 on 17, and enjoy the rest of your time there :)

[Muskie in dayton]

All the Americans who live overseas, and all our service men/women in far off places around the globe, would like to thank you for not letting them vote.

What's wrong with you?

Absentee. That’s much different than mail in. What’s wrong with you?

[Muskie in dayton]

Virginia: The Dems are FIGHTING the REMOVAL of thousands of non-U.S. Citizens from the voter roles.

Ohio: The Biden administration is BLOCKING the State from accessing databases to verify if voters are U.S. Citizens

Pennsylvania: A fraudulent voter registration scheme involving thousands of fake applications has been busted.

Nevada: The Dems passed a law that allows mail-in ballots WITHOUT A POSTMARK up to 3-DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION to be counted.

Oregon: R-heavy area had their ballot drop box firebombed.

Georgia: Dems are suing to PREVENT monitoring of drop boxes by video surveillance.

Florida: A USPS worker was arrested for discarding ballots.

And this is just a sample, so far, in the 2024 election cycle. Without trust in our election system, we don't have democracy.

The solution is simple:
1) eliminating mail-in/drop box voting
2) Government-issued ID and proof of citizenship ID for voting
3) signature verification for every vote.

If you are against this, you are simply supporting fraud.
Update on 1 - Virginia: SCOTUS has ruled against Dems. Non-citizens will not be able to vote, much to the chagrin of the crooked Dems.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yesterday from Biden: "...a speaker at his (Trump's) rally called Puerto Rico a 'floating island of garbage.' Well, let me tell you something. I don't know... the Puerto Ricans.... in my State of Delaware, they're good, descent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters. His demonization of Latinos is unconscionable".

Yes, the old, bumbling man called half the country trash. But what about the rest of the lies in that statement. I'll make it truthful: "...a comedian at his (Trump's) rally made a joke about Puerto Rico calling it a "floating island of garbage." ... A comedian's joke about Latinos was in poor taste".

When your policy sucks, you have to run on lies.

[xubrew]

The Democrats in a nutshell....

https://media.tenor.com/owrws8Tv0OEAAAAM/crszy-lit.gif

[paulxu]

When you have to change punctuation and ignore plural vs singular verbs...you've got a weak argument.
When your defense of the, whatever it was in MSG, after seeing 75,000 on the ellipse with only positive messages instead of demeaning everyone and our country...is to go searching for Biden's poor speaking and use it as a both side's deal...you may be in trouble.

[Xville]

When you have to change punctuation and ignore plural vs singular verbs...you've got a weak argument.
When your defense of the, whatever it was in MSG, after seeing 75,000 on the ellipse with only positive messages instead of demeaning everyone and our country...is to go searching for Biden's poor speaking and use it as a both side's deal...you may be in trouble.

lol what world do you live in? I assume you watch all your cnn crap? Guess you missed when they called the other side nazis, garbage and on and on.

The positive message is true, as long as you agree with everything they say. Otherwise you’re racist, misogynist, sexist, homophobic, transphoboic, peoplephobic or whatever other phobic you come up with next.

[GoMuskies]

75,000 at the Ellipse? Impressive. I guess Trump can go ahead and write off his chances of winning Virginia, Maryland and D.C.

[paulxu]

Absentee. That’s much different than mail in. What’s wrong with you?

Many states require military overseas absentee ballots to be mailed, like Texas. Not a "lot" different. In fact, it's just like mail in, because it is (mailed in).

[Smails]

lol what world do you live in? I assume you watch all your cnn crap? Guess you missed when they called the other side nazis, garbage and on and on.



I'm not sure what world that is....sounds like something out of the Barbie movie mixed with a bit of Tarentino, Shyamalan and the Stepford Wives

Dems are all positive and inclusive. That's the talking point and there shall be no talk otherwise. Joe Biden was simply misunderstood when he called Trump supporters garbage. He didn't mean it!

Kamala Harris defended his remarks when asked about it earlier today....Oh wait, she didn't. She actually distanced herself said she disagrees with people who criticize others based on the way they vote when asked about what Biden said. Seems to fly right in the face of the Biden defenders who in their hearts know exactly what he said and what he meant but are too cowardly to not tow the party line or at least say it was an incredibly stupid statement.

[X-band '01]

I think turning the clocks back is one of the most insanely idiotic things we do. If you look at our entire history as a species, this perhaps tops the list of most stupid things ever. DO NOT TURN THE CLOCKS BACK!! I HATE when it's dark at 5pm!!!!!

I love falling back every year and getting an extra hour of sleep on the first Sunday of November.

Means we're on the doorstep of college basketball actually beginning.

(Now back to the back-and-forth garbage smack between both sides)

[xuphan]

I'm not sure what world that is....sounds like something out of the Barbie movie mixed with a bit of Tarentino, Shyamalan and the Stepford Wives

Dems are all positive and inclusive. That's the talking point and there shall be no talk otherwise. Joe Biden was simply misunderstood when he called Trump supporters garbage. He didn't mean it!

Kamala Harris defended his remarks when asked about it earlier today....Oh wait, she didn't. She actually distanced herself said she disagrees with people who criticize others based on the way they vote when asked about what Biden said. Seems to fly right in the face of the Biden defenders who in their hearts know exactly what he said and what he meant but are too cowardly to not tow the party line or at least say it was an incredibly stupid statement.

Think he lives in the DNC world where they are never wrong and the RNC are never right. Then there is the RNC world where they are never wrong and DNC are never right. Amazed people just blindly follow these political unions.

[GoMuskies]

Think he lives in the DNC world where they are never wrong and the RNC are never right. Then there is the RNC world where they are never wrong and DNC are never right. Amazed people just blindly follow these political unions.

When you notice that, you get called a both-sider or a fence sitter.

[xuwillie]

Moron of the day, Colorado Sec of State.. What complete incompetence or attempt at Fraud. Pick your poison on this one

[Muskie in dayton]

Many states require military overseas absentee ballots to be mailed, like Texas. Not a "lot" different. In fact, it's just like mail in, because it is (mailed in).
I sometimes wonder if you are a real person. I’ll let the ladies explain: https://www.lwv.org/blog/knowing-difference-voting-absentee-vs-mail

And since I’m sure the implications are not obvious to you:
Without administrative control, fraud is much easier to accomplish by mail-in. Do you need me to explain that too?

[Muskie in dayton]

Moron of the day, Colorado Sec of State.. What complete incompetence or attempt at Fraud. Pick your poison on this one
The same person who tried to throw Trump off the ballot leaks election system protection. You know…to protect Democracy. The answer is obvious.

Dangerous.

[xubrew]

Trump is clearly winning the trolling war…

https://x.com/ultrafrog17/status/1851755382688911526?s=61&t=u-aw5UqKaoyRfs8oTdsg6g

[bobbiemcgee]

The world is laughing their asses off at us

[Muskie in dayton]

I can't believe you all actually claim to be college graduates. Frightening.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/stuttering/symptoms-causes/syc-20353572

And yes, I think that under stress like last night, Biden has trouble getting his thoughts out.
Oh

[Xuperman]

Anyone who thinks Biden, Harris, the political Left, MSM doesn't have deep disdain for Trump supporters are just kidding themselves. "Garbage" is just the word of the day. When referring to actual TRUMP VOTERS....the worded insult tends to peg the disdain meter.

What is commonly missed in this sort of conversation is separating the MAN from the POLICIES of the PARTY. There are a lot of people like me who can't stand the guy. Frankly, I have serious concerns with people who actually like him. This is what matters.

Secure border
Deport criminal illegals
NO AMNESTY
Back the Blue
Pro fossil fuel
School choice

Harris will give you none of that. You have to vote for the dickheaded asshole to get it.

[Xville]

I thought beshear was a good dem then he decided to come out yesterday and complain about the electoral college. Ugh

[paulxu]

I sometimes wonder if you are a real person. I’ll let the ladies explain: https://www.lwv.org/blog/knowing-difference-voting-absentee-vs-mail

And since I’m sure the implications are not obvious to you:
Without administrative control, fraud is much easier to accomplish by mail-in. Do you need me to explain that too?

Since I belong to the local LWV (I support their non-partisan efforts to help all people vote) you might want to read what you sent me.
There is absentee voting (voter asks for a ballot) and "vote-by-mail" (state mails ballot to all registered voters).
I said that ballots from overseas military would be mailed in.
I'm still pretty sure they will be.

[GoMuskies]

One week until election day (according to 'brew). Trump continues his surprising steady momentum in the betting markets.

Trump -200
Harris +170

Polymarket has Trump with a 67.0% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Can't believe we have 5 more days of this. The betting markets are finally starting to show a bit of volatility. In the last 24 hours overall a creep in Harris's direction.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 65.0% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[xubrew]

I thought beshear was a good dem then he decided to come out yesterday and complain about the electoral college. Ugh

Well, to be fair, so did James Madison. He was actually pretty vocally against it after playing a key role in creating it. I think they both make some good points. It's a discussion that's at least worth having. The problem is that having that discussion is completely and totally beyond our current capabilities.

As for this year's election, I once again think it's clearly over. Trump seems to have already won.

[GoMuskies]

I think complaining about the electoral college in general is pretty fair. To do it the week before the election....not so much.

I might be in favor of eliminating the electoral college, but you'd need to agree to do it 2 or 3 elections out (have the new system start in 2036 perhaps) so that there's plenty of time for the parties to adust to the new rules and it's not necessariliy an advantage for one side or the other.

To me, complaining about it right before/right after an election is like a football coach complaining his team should have won because they gained more yards than their opponent who outscored them.

[STL_XUfan]

Can't believe we have 5 more days of this. The betting markets are finally starting to show a bit of volatility. In the last 24 hours overall a creep in Harris's direction.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 65.0% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Based on my recent streak of moneyline bets on Sundays, -190 is apparently very losable. (How did Miami let Arizona come back)

[Xville]

Well, to be fair, so did James Madison. He was actually pretty vocally against it after playing a key role in creating it. I think they both make some good points. It's a discussion that's at least worth having. The problem is that having that discussion is completely and totally beyond our current capabilities.

As for this year's election, I once again think it's clearly over. Trump seems to have already won.

The electoral college is what makes our government work. It’s actually genius. If it is ever threatened, we are fucked beyond fucked.

[xuphan]

Anyone who thinks Biden, Harris, the political Left, MSM doesn't have deep disdain for Trump supporters are just kidding themselves. "Garbage" is just the word of the day. When referring to actual TRUMP VOTERS....the worded insult tends to peg the disdain meter.

What is commonly missed in this sort of conversation is separating the MAN from the POLICIES of the PARTY. There are a lot of people like me who can't stand the guy. Frankly, I have serious concerns with people who actually like him. This is what matters.

Secure border
Deport criminal illegals
NO AMNESTY
Back the Blue
Pro fossil fuel
School choice

Harris will give you none of that. You have to vote for the dickheaded asshole to get it.

See the problem is what will you also get for voting for Trump. Policies are one thing but those policies could have also been implemented by anyone other than said Trump yet the RNC continues to want to parade around a guy who isnÂ’t well liked outside of his base. From mocking a disabled person, to his questionable business dealings, Russia, election interference, Stop the Steal, etc trouble seems to follow this guy wherever he goes. Yet he takes no accountability. I also donÂ’t appreciate his lying and deflection of questions given to him throughout his interviews making it hard to know what exactly you will get with another 4 years under Trump. Project 2025 anyone? The first four things you listed I can get behind though I thought Mexico was going to pay for the border wall? Pro fossil fuels should also include increase funding to find an alternative energy solution in the near future. Fossil fuels arenÂ’t good for the environment or our health and we really should be doing better to find alternative solutions that work. School choice is more of a way for rich families to find alternative ways to not be put into general public schools with kids who have major issues to defund public less wealth schools. More of a rich vs poor agenda.

I personally have decided not to vote for either candidate. Both parties could have nominated better candidates but have decided that we need to relive the last eight years for another 4 years. IÂ’ll be interested to see who wins but we wonÂ’t be Making America Great Again or Building Back Better with either candidate. The past say 24 years with both parties holding office spells this out.

[xuphan]

I think complaining about the electoral college in general is pretty fair. To do it the week before the election....not so much.

I might be in favor of eliminating the electoral college, but you'd need to agree to do it 2 or 3 elections out (have the new system start in 2036 perhaps) so that there's plenty of time for the parties to adust to the new rules and it's not necessariliy an advantage for one side or the other.

To me, complaining about it right before/right after an election is like a football coach complaining his team should have won because they gained more yards than their opponent who outscored them.

I agree and the Dems did the same thing after losing another seat on the Supreme Court.

[Xville]

School choice——I pay for my kids to go to school that fits our family’s ideals and culture, I also pay for failing beuracratic bloated crap schools to be funded that my kids do not attend.

Give families both rich and poor the opportunity to send their kids where they want to.

My two questions would be 1.) why are you against the free market in this situation? 2.) why should my tax dollars go to failing teachers and failing schools, while lining the pockets of bloated public school administrations that do nothing to improve?

[xubrew]

I think complaining about the electoral college in general is pretty fair. To do it the week before the election....not so much.

I might be in favor of eliminating the electoral college, but you'd need to agree to do it 2 or 3 elections out (have the new system start in 2036 perhaps) so that there's plenty of time for the parties to adust to the new rules and it's not necessariliy an advantage for one side or the other.

To me, complaining about it right before/right after an election is like a football coach complaining his team should have won because they gained more yards than their opponent who outscored them.

I can see that. I can also see it the other way too.


The electoral college is what makes our government work. It’s actually genius. If it is ever threatened, we are fucked beyond fucked.

Yeah...not really. Most people probably think of the electoral college being something other than what it actually is, and certainly something other than what it initially was. Presently, it really isn't a college at all. It's a virtual point system. Since many states have laws dictating how the electors have to vote, it perhaps isn't even a virtual point system anymore, but an actual one. That's not what it was initially.

I actually don't have a huge issue with it. There are things about it that I think are beneficial. I wouldn't go so far to say that it's "what makes our government work." The current format is nothing like what was initially laid out, and many who were instrumental in coming up with it did not want a so-called "winner take all" system when states first started to do that. I do find it ironic when people say it was a work of genius by the founders. You know who strongly disagreed with that?? Many of the founders!!

The initial main intent was actually to make it so the regular every day people did not directly vote for the president. They didn't believe every day people were privileged enough or knowledgeable enough to be voting for the president. And...when you look at much of the electorate today...you gotta kind of ask yourself if they weren't entirely wrong about that!

https://www.quillproject.net/resources/resource_item/10/596

[paulxu]

Anyone who thinks Biden, Harris, the political Left, MSM doesn't have deep disdain for Trump supporters are just kidding themselves. "Garbage" is just the word of the day. When referring to actual TRUMP VOTERS....the worded insult tends to peg the disdain meter.

Like this?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1851771647784612248

[xubrew]

Like this?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1851771647784612248

Yunno, if we had the electoral college, like...the actual original idea of the electoral college, Trump and Harris would almost assuredly not be candidates, and the last two presidents would never have been candidates either, much less the president.

So...maybe it was genius!! Maybe it is essentail!! Maybe we should go back to having an actual electoral COLLEGE!!

[Xville]

Yunno, if we had the electoral college, like...the actual original idea of the electoral college, Trump and Harris would almost assuredly not be candidates, and the last two presidents would never have been candidates either, much less the president.

So...maybe it was genius!! Maybe it is essentail!! Maybe we should go back to having an actual electoral COLLEGE!!

Electoral college is by no means perfect but imo it’s the best way for our government to function. What I would propose is an overhaul of our primary system. That’s what I believe to be a disaster and why we have had horrible options for many cycles now.

[xubrew]

Electoral college is by no means perfect but imo it’s the best way for our government to function. What I would propose is an overhaul of our primary system. That’s what I believe to be a disaster and why we have had horrible options for many cycles now.

The Electoral College isn't even a college. It hasn't been for quite some time. That's kind of my point. People say that it was genius, and that the founders were such visionaries, and that we should never even discuss changing it.

Well, we HAVE changed it! (at least practically) It doesn't even remotely resemble a college anymore. It's not like we vote for electors that get together to elect the president the way the College of Cardinals elects the pope. That's not how it works anymore. Not even close. Many of the founders came to not like the electoral college very shortly after it was implemented.

I'm not even saying I think it should be changed. I'm just saying I'm completely open to the idea. I also don't agree that anyone who says they don't like it is somehow crazy or misinformed. I think it's at least worth discussing.

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=Xville;789532]School choice——I pay for my kids to go to school that fits our family’s ideals and culture, I also pay for failing beuracratic bloated crap schools to be funded that my kids do not attend.

Give families both rich and poor the opportunity to send their kids where they want to.

Curious why that school is failing? I am assuming we are talking about a public school? Are you saying they are failing because of test scores? Graduation rate? My hometown had one public school and one private school. The public school has seen a substantial decrease in state test scores over the past several years due to wealthy families enrolling their kids in private, online schools or homeschool. Not really a coincidence that this will happen when you remove a majority of high test scoring kids out of public school district. Having friends who did this, they said that there are a lot of behavior problems in these schools that the teachers canÂ’t really teach and there is no beuracratic laws such as state testing and intervention that take away from learning. I was unaware nonpublic schools didnÂ’t have to take state tests. Probably why the national average has gone down so much. Think school choice looks nice on paper but isnÂ’t practical to the mass population.

[Xville]

[QUOTE=Xville;789532]School choice——I pay for my kids to go to school that fits our family’s ideals and culture, I also pay for failing beuracratic bloated crap schools to be funded that my kids do not attend.

Give families both rich and poor the opportunity to send their kids where they want to.

Curious why that school is failing? I am assuming we are talking about a public school? Are you saying they are failing because of test scores? Graduation rate? My hometown had one public school and one private school. The public school has seen a substantial decrease in state test scores over the past several years due to wealthy families enrolling their kids in private, online schools or homeschool. Not really a coincidence that this will happen when you remove a majority of high test scoring kids out of public school district. Having friends who did this, they said that there are a lot of behavior problems in these schools that the teachers canÂ’t really teach and there is no beuracratic laws such as state testing and intervention that take away from learning. I was unaware nonpublic schools didnÂ’t have to take state tests. Probably why the national average has gone down so much. Think school choice looks nice on paper but isnÂ’t practical to the mass population.

I don't know ALL of the intricacies of why public schools are failing in my state (Kentucky). It's certainly not due to funding.... I do know there are a lot of issues, and it's not due to "wealthy families." Many families where I send my kids to schools are by no means wealthy and some I would consider quite poor. However, they believe in the school I send my kids to, and many like them, for many different reasons. They also receive assistance from the archdiocese, families like myself and other sources.

I have many friends who are public school teachers (because they get paid more) who send their kids to private schools because the education in the public school is horrible. There is no "education," teachers are required to read off a page every single day...its regurgiating whatever the KEA decides they want. There's no discussion, no debate, no thinking for yourself being taught within these school buildings. That in my mind is a problem.

In regards to behavior issues, then why would you not be for getting the ones that want to, out of that situation with some financial assistance? Public schools are not being held unaccountable for their issues, neither are their parents, that needs to change and I believe the only way to do that is in a free market system, and the spicket on those failing schools run dry.

[STL_XUfan]

Electoral college is by no means perfect but imo it’s the best way for our government to function. What I would propose is an overhaul of our primary system. That’s what I believe to be a disaster and why we have had horrible options for many cycles now.

I think at this point it is doing a disservice to everyone. I think it pushes the blue state/red state narrative which causes each party to all but abandon certain states and only leads to more partisan outcomes.

Maybe a Republican will never win in California, but there are a shit load of Republican votes there that they could be investing money in to get, and it wouldn't be throwing that money away as they would count in the overall vote count. Same goes with Democrats throughout the South. Instead it seems like both parties are only catering to 5 states and the rest of the country simply does not matter.

[Xville]

I think at this point it is doing a disservice to everyone. I think it pushes the blue state/red state narrative which causes each party to all but abandon certain states and only leads to more partisan outcomes.

Maybe a Republican will never win in California, but there are a shit load of Republican votes there that they could be investing money in to get, and it wouldn't be throwing that money away as they would count in the overall vote count. Same goes with Democrats throughout the South. Instead it seems like both parties are only catering to 5 states and the rest of the country simply does not matter.

Yes, but if you get rid of it, only two or three states are going to matter unless we find another way to elect a president.

I'd be in for listening to other solutions, but someone is going to have to come up with something better first, and better than the reasoning of "I want to get rid of it, because it doesn't benefit me" which is what the left has been doing.

[bjf123]

Does anyone really think the Left would be talking about doing away with the Electoral College if they had lost the popular election, but won the electoral votes? Of course not. They’d be praising the wisdom of the founding fathers. The Right would then be screaming to replace the Electoral College.


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[paulxu]

Yes, but if you get rid of it, only two or three states are going to matter unless we find another way to elect a president.


Why would it be 2 or 3 states? If the national vote came down to the winner by 5,000 votes, every vote in every state would count.

[STL_XUfan]

Yes, but if you get rid of it, only two or three states are going to matter unless we find another way to elect a president.

I'd be in for listening to other solutions, but someone is going to have to come up with something better first, and better than the reasoning of "I want to get rid of it, because it doesn't benefit me" which is what the left has been doing.
Why do you think only 2 or 3 states would matter?

Only 2/3rds of eligible voters cast a ballot. I wonder how many of those were located in safe states where they didn't think their vote mattered? This seems like it would greatly open up the voting pool throughout the entire country.

I also agree with Go, that if you are going to change it, it needs to be 2 or 3 cycles out so that everyone can adjust their ground game well ahead of any change.

[Xville]

Why do you think only 2 or 3 states would matter?

Only 2/3rds of eligible voters cast a ballot. I wonder how many of those were located in safe states where they didn't think their vote mattered? This seems like it would greatly open up the voting pool throughout the entire country.

I also agree with Go, that if you are going to change it, it needs to be 2 or 3 cycles out so that everyone can adjust their ground game well ahead of any change.

Because of where the most population in the country is. Where do you think most of the time would be spent by politicians? I also don't believe that the issues where I live, are the same as those in California, New York and Texas.

[Xville]

Why would it be 2 or 3 states? If the national vote came down to the winner by 5,000 votes, every vote in every state would count.

You really think that politicians would spread their time out any better if it were a national vote?

I do not advocate for a few urban population centers to hold such power. Most of our urban communities in this country is evidence enough for this to not be a good idea.

[GoMuskies]

I'd be pretty pleased to never see a politician eat a fried twinkee at the Iowa State Fair ever again.

[paulxu]

For those who actually care about our economic policies in the next few years, do you suppose this will help?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-economist-endorses-harris_n_67238ca8e4b0871068fe61a3

[xuwillie]

Does anyone really think the Left would be talking about doing away with the Electoral College if they had lost the popular election, but won the electoral votes? Of course not. They’d be praising the wisdom of the founding fathers. The Right would then be screaming to replace the Electoral College.


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This! And no one really knows for sure who would win the popular vote as so many don't vote as they say "their vote doesn't matter"

[GoMuskies]

JD Vance's Joe Rogan appearance is now out on Spotify. Three hours and 15 minutes for Vance.

[xubrew]

Does anyone really think the Left would be talking about doing away with the Electoral College if they had lost the popular election, but won the electoral votes? Of course not. They’d be praising the wisdom of the founding fathers. The Right would then be screaming to replace the Electoral College.


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Correct.

Now, what do you think would happen if the electors decided “this time we are actually going to convene as a college!” And then decided “You know what? While convening a lot of us decided to vote differently and we’ve actually elected someone else.”

Would people like that?? Is that a genius format??

The people weren’t supposed to elect the president. That’s why there is an electoral college. People praise it as some ingenuous way to represent all the people, when in reality it was actually put into place to remove the people from the process

[Xville]

Correct.

Now, what do you think would happen if the electors decided “this time we are actually going to convene as a college!” And then decided “You know what? While convening a lot of us decided to vote differently and we’ve actually elected someone else.”

Would people like that?? Is that a genius format??

The people weren’t supposed to elect the president. That’s why there is an electoral college. People praise it as some ingenuous way to represent all the people, when in reality it was actually put into place to remove the people from the process

It was ingenious. Two hundred plus years ago, it made a whole lot of sense in its original composition. The way that it has changed over the years fits well in today’s society and again it is ingenious. I don’t know why you feel the need to poo poo on it.

In a country this big, with a wide array of different people, cultures, living situations etc, I believe it is the best way to elect a president. Until given a better solution, I’ll feel that way. A popular vote where a few urban centers decide the presidency is not the better solution. It’s what the founding fathers were trying to prevent. That is ingenious with a lot of foresight.

[xubrew]

I don't think I'm poo-pooing on it. I just don't buy it as something that is essential, nor do I think of it as something that we can't at least discuss changing. I'm also pointing out that most proponents of it don't really understand how we came to have it in the first place.

People say they're concerned that a popular vote would mean just a few urban centers would decide the presidency. I don't buy that at all because there is just no evidence of that. London does not decide England and Great Britain, and if anything the opposite is true. Rome doesn't decide Italy. Berlin and Hamberg don't decide Germany. In Canada they don't just seem to go to Toronto and Montreal. Most democratic countries decide their president via a popular vote, and in pretty much all of them it seems as though the opposite is true. The candidates seem to go out and try to win over the entire country and not just a few areas of it. If I'm wrong, then where do you see that as not being the case? Does this happen at the state level within the United States? In Kentucky did Andy Beshear only focus on Louisville and Lexington and completely ignore everyone else? In Nebraska do candidates only go to Omaha? In Indiana do they only really care about Indianapolis? When you look at it, it actually seems that the opposite is true. Candidates who try and win the popular vote actually focus on connecting with more places and not less. I used to live in Alabama. Birmingham was its biggest city, and it's actually a fairly blue city. It NEVER swayed anything politically.

[Xville]

Why would it be 2 or 3 states? If the national vote came down to the winner by 5,000 votes, every vote in every state would count.

I seriously wonder what critical thinking skills you were taught by statements like this. Where are the highest population centers in the United States? Who do you think politicians would cater to if that’s the way we elected a president? The electoral college is by no means perfect, but based on how big of a country we are, and the differences we have across the country, it’s the best we have until someone comes up with a better solution. A national popular vote is not.

[Xville]

I don't think I'm poo-pooing on it. I just don't buy it as something that is essential, nor do I think of it as something that we can't at least discuss changing. I'm also pointing out that most proponents of it don't really understand how we came to have it in the first place.

People say they're concerned that a popular vote would mean just a few urban centers would decide the presidency. I don't buy that at all because there is just no evidence of that. London does not decide England and Great Britain, and if anything the opposite is true. Rome doesn't decide Italy. Berlin and Hamberg don't decide Germany. In Canada they don't just seem to go to Toronto and Montreal. Most democratic countries decide their president via a popular vote, and in pretty much all of them it seems as though the opposite is true. They seem to go out and try to win over the entire country and not just a few areas of it. If I'm wrong, then where do you see that as not being the case? Does this happen at the state level within the United States? In Kentucky did Andy Beshear only focus on Louisville and Lexington and completely ignore everyone else? In Nebraska do candidates only go to Omaha? In Indiana do they only really care about Indianapolis? When you look at it, it actually seems that the opposite is true. Candidates who try and win the popular vote actually focus on connecting with more places and not less. I used to live in Alabama. Birmingham was its biggest city, and it's actually a very blue city. It NEVER swayed anything politically.

In the case of beshear, yeah pretty much his focus was three areas Louisville, Lexington and nky. He won because Bevin was an effing moron and pissed nky off.. handed beshear the job.

Germany is elected by something that resembles an electoral college and the legislature votes in the chancellor.
Uk they are elected by legislature; Italy the same.

[xubrew]

I think Donald Trump just announced that he's running for president of Bangladesh...

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1852033622494105832

[paulxu]

I seriously wonder what critical thinking skills you were taught by statements like this. Where are the highest population centers in the United States? Who do you think politicians would cater to if that’s the way we elected a president? The electoral college is by no means perfect, but based on how big of a country we are, and the differences we have across the country, it’s the best we have until someone comes up with a better solution. A national popular vote is not.

See Brew's note above for a better understanding.

[paulxu]

Those left wing idiots at the Wall Street Journal are at it again. They must have read the Economist.

https://wallstreetjournal-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=14ae539f9_134d4ab

[Strange Brew]

Those left wing idiots at the Wall Street Journal are at it again. They must have read the Economist.

https://wallstreetjournal-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=14ae539f9_134d4ab

People still read the Economist? ;)

[Xville]

Those left wing idiots at the Wall Street Journal are at it again. They must have read the Economist.

https://wallstreetjournal-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=14ae539f9_134d4ab

Pretty sure that’s an op-ed from a liberal economics professor. Don’t see a whole lot of conservative professors at Princeton. Maybe that’s rachel Maddows him name

[Xville]

See Brew's note above for a better understanding.

Yeah I disagree with him too, especially considering he made points that don’t fit. England Italy Germany don’t nominate their leader by popular vote either

[Strange Brew]

Yeah I disagree with him too, especially considering he made points that don’t fit. England Italy Germany don’t nominate their leader by popular vote either

Aren’t they Parliamentary systems? I know England is. Not sure about Italy or Germany. However East Germany called itself a Democracy (DDR) back in the day.

[Xville]

Aren’t they Parliamentary systems? I know England is. Not sure about Italy or Germany. However East Germany called itself a Democracy (DDR) back in the day.

I think they all are but could be mistaken.

Popular vote doesn’t happen much because as we see with our two candidates the public is stupid

[noteggs]

Pretty sure that’s an op-ed from a liberal economics professor. Don’t see a whole lot of conservative professors at Princeton. Maybe that’s rachel Maddows him name

Yes it is. Clinton’s former Federal Reserve VP.

[noteggs]

Does anyone really think the Left would be talking about doing away with the Electoral College if they had lost the popular election, but won the electoral votes? Of course not. They’d be praising the wisdom of the founding fathers. The Right would then be screaming to replace the Electoral College.


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Yup.

Prior to Bush in 2000, we had gone 120 years with a President winning the WH who won the popular vote and electoral. During those 120 years, the electoral college seemed to be a good system with no complaints.

Pubs win two races in 16 years and now there seems to be a huge problem on how we elect our President. Obviously the 2000 election really stung for democrats especially the whole hanging chad thing.

Trump winning in ‘16 has people demanding the popular vote on steroids. Can’t let that kind of thing happen again.

Interesting to note, winning electoral and not popular has only happened 5 times in 240 years.

[xubrew]

Yeah I disagree with him too, especially considering he made points that don’t fit. England Italy Germany don’t nominate their leader by popular vote either


I think they all are but could be mistaken.

Popular vote doesn’t happen much because as we see with our two candidates the public is stupid

You're absolutely right. In each of those countries they are elected by the legislatures and not a direct popular vote. So, those were bad examples.

I'm mainly basing my experience on two of the places I've lived. Louisville and Birmingham. Both are the biggest cities in their states and predominantly Democrat, but the rest of the state isn't and the Dems usually don't win statewide elections.

[Strange Brew]

Yes it is. Clinton’s former Federal Reserve VP.

Ding, ding. Winner! :)

[Strange Brew]

You're absolutely right. In each of those countries they are elected by the legislatures and not a direct popular vote. So, those were bad examples.

I'm mainly basing my experience on two of the places I've lived. Louisville and Birmingham. Both are the biggest cities in their states and predominantly Democrat, but the rest of the state isn't and the Dems usually don't win statewide elections.

That’s fair however KY was a solid Dem state until, really Reagan and has a Dem Gov. Birmingham is not a big metro area.

For comparison to the argument at play. Denver dominates CO politics as does Chicago in respect to IL and NYC with well, NY.

[Smails]

Yes it is. Clinton’s former Federal Reserve VP.

Lol...

[GoMuskies]

Can't believe we have 5 more days of this. The betting markets are finally starting to show a bit of volatility. In the last 24 hours overall a creep in Harris's direction.

Trump -190
Harris +165

Polymarket has Trump with a 65.0% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

4 days to go! Nice to have a weekend of college and NFL football to distract us (and college basketball Monday!). Betting markets are edging a bit towards Harris (and Polymarket was actually a pretty big jump towards Harris).

Trump -180
Harris +155

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.6% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[UCGRAD4X]

It seems MSNBC is runing footage of a Pro-Hitler rally at MSG from 1939 alongside a video of Trump's. Tim Walls makes the same reference in his latest speech as did Hillary on CNN. Neither mentions the Israeli flags on display the Trump rally or the fact that Bill Clinton had his DNC convention there.

[xubrew]

It seems MSNBC is runing footage of a Pro-Hitler rally at MSG from 1939 alongside a video of Trump's. Tim Walls makes the same reference in his latest speech as did Hillary on CNN. Neither mentions the Israeli flags on display the Trump rally or the fact that Bill Clinton had his DNC convention there.

And this is why the Left will lose. Everyone knows it's a bunch of crap.

It's pathetic. In addition to being totally indecent, it's also totally moronic as a political tactic. If you don't like what a guy says and does, then stick to being critical of what he actually says and does. Otherwise you just look like an asshat, and the stuff that needs to be legit criticized isn't. It's not as if Trump does not have an entire catalog of things that he's actually said and done that they could be legit critical of.

The Left is getting completely out-trolled and outclassed. By Donald Trump. Who is anything but a classy guy. Let that sink in for a second.

I feel Trump should be in prison, but I also feel the Left deserves to lose to him. I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Not that it matters because going to win regardless of how I feel about it, so....

I don't even know if I want to vote. I'm not even kidding.

[Smails]

It seems MSNBC is runing footage of a Pro-Hitler rally at MSG from 1939 alongside a video of Trump's. Tim Walls makes the same reference in his latest speech as did Hillary on CNN. Neither mentions the Israeli flags on display the Trump rally or the fact that Bill Clinton had his DNC convention there.

"We need to calm down the rhetoric"
"How did we become so divided?"

[Xville]

And this is why the Left will lose. Everyone knows it's a bunch of crap.

It's pathetic. In addition to being totally indecent, it's also totally moronic as a political tactic. If you don't like what a guy says and does, then stick to being critical of what he actually says and does. Otherwise you just look like an asshat, and the stuff that needs to be legit criticized isn't. It's not as if Trump does not have an entire catalog of things that he's actually said and done that they could be legit critical of.

The Left is getting completely out-trolled and outclassed. By Donald Trump. Who is anything but a classy guy. Let that sink in for a second.

I feel Trump should be in prison, but I also feel the Left deserves to lose to him. I'm not sure how to reconcile that. Not that it matters because going to win regardless of how I feel about it, so....

I don't even know if I want to vote. I'm not even kidding.

In my bubble, there are a lot of people that believe every word that comes out of MSNBC and CNN's mouth. The public is very very stupid, and I'm not sure if everyone knows it's a bunch of crap. Honestly, there is probably a greater amount that believes that if Trump wins, democracy in America has fallen and Trump will ascend to dictator.

[Xville]

I mean there are people on the left today who believe trump said that Liz Cheney should be shot and killed.

[paulxu]

I mean there are people on the left today who believe trump said that Liz Cheney should be shot and killed.

Imagine that.

[Xville]

Imagine that.

See lol

[paulxu]

It hard to listen to his rhetoric without thinking he's actively encouraging violence.
We saw what happened on Jan 6th. Hard to think of that as a "day of love."

[Xville]

It hard to listen to his rhetoric without thinking he's actively encouraging violence.
We saw what happened on Jan 6th. Hard to think of that as a "day of love."

It’s really not hard to take what he said and understand it. He’s calling her a warmonger, and if she loves to send our troops into war so easily then she should take up some arms and see what it’s like. Pretty self explanatory

[GoMuskies]

There's no way a Cheney is a warmonger.

[Muskie in dayton]

In the last four months, the Biden-Harris administration has:
- Covered up hundreds of thousands of job losses
- Manipulated data on illegal immigration
- Withheld and underreported crime data, and now hot off the press...
- Doctored the official transcript of Biden's comments.
All under the cover of the legacy media shills.

We are now the USSR.

[Muskie in dayton]

The employment report shows the economy added only 11% of the forecasted 110,000 jobs in October. That's a pretty bad miss!

"Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce you to 'the Cheney firing squad hoax'! Add it to the list and talk about it wildly! Maybe we can get some idiots to believe it!" Legacy media is the enemy of America.

When your policy sucks, you have to run on lies.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why is everything a hoax to you when there is indisputable tape. On fucking tucker no less

[Xville]

Why is everything a hoax to you when there is indisputable tape. On fucking tucker no less

What do you think Trump said?

[xuphan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4&pp=ygUTbWNjYWluIG9iYW1hIGRlZmVuZA%3D%3D

Oh how I wish we could have candidates like John McCain. This country would be so much better off.

[GoMuskies]

LOL, that second woman REALLY wanted to use the "n-word".

[bobbiemcgee]

What do you think Trump said?

He said he would use the firing squad on Liz 9guns shooting off her face.

[Xville]

He said he would use the firing squad on Liz

Case closed. People will literally believe anything politicians and people on x tell them

[noteggs]

Case closed. People will literally believe anything politicians and people on x tell them

Ah yeah, the missing context trick. Never gets old. While the press, social media, and opponents add their own context to make it sound worse.

That is hilarious. Was going to say, “You can’t turn on the TV and not hear how Trump wants to shoot Liz in the face.” But Bobbie beat me to it!

[Smails]

He said he would use the firing squad on Liz 9guns shooting off her face.

So incredibly gullible...it's fascinating

[bobbiemcgee]

So incredibly gullible...it's fascinating

Tell it to the Arizona AG investigating as a death threat

[paulxu]

I think Harris is living rent free in his head.
He keeps obsessing about crowd sizes.

[Smails]

I think Harris is living rent free in his head.


This has to be Friday humor, yes? Rent free is really a term you should stay away from

[xuphan]

I think Harris is living rent free in his head.
He keeps obsessing about crowd sizes.

I mean with all due respect doesn’t Trump live rent free in your head? All you do is post anti-Trump stuff all the time. I haven’t seen you once call out the Democratic Party. It’s all ya but Trump….. Both parties are trash and should both be called out for how they are run.

[Xville]

I think Harris is living rent free in his head.
He keeps obsessing about crowd sizes.

Pot meet kettle. You’ve whined about trump everyday for almost a decade

[paulxu]

You don't think it's weird him going on and on about crowd size?

He's running to be president of the United States...not for American Idol votes.

[Muskie in dayton]

So now the Arizona AG is investigating Trump for a "death threat" against Liz Cheney. I'd say he should watch the tape, but I know he has. And he knows exactly what he is doing. Lawfare is so third world.

If this doesn't make someone realize the other "charges" against Trump aren't also lawfare, nothing will.

Dems are playing an INCREDIBLY dangerous game.

[paulxu]

If this doesn't make someone realize the other "charges" against Trump aren't also lawfare, nothing will.

You think stealing top secret documents and refusing to return them under a lawful subpoena, necessitating a search warrant, is "lawfare?"

[Muskie in dayton]

You think stealing top secret documents and refusing to return them under a lawful subpoena, necessitating a search warrant, is "lawfare?"
Not when you are honest about it.

[Xville]

I think it’s fair to say that trump is a horrible human being who should probably be in jail for what he has done in his life.

I also think it’s fair to say that the left makes shit up about him, and take things out of context.

Finally, I think it’s fair to say he’s still a better option than Kamala and who I think is probably a pedophile in walz

[Muskie in dayton]

Tell it to the Arizona AG investigating as a death threat

Unreal. Maybe watch for yourself instead of buying media hoaxes.
Bing Videos (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=trump%20interview%20liz%20cheney%20guns&view=detail&mid=008007403EBA7367CEC4008007403EBA7367CEC4&ajaxhist=0)

Leave it to the media to spin an anti-war message into "violent rhetoric". And leave it to brain dead clowns to still believe it.

[xubrew]

What I don't like is that regardless of who wins, half the people will feel not just that their candidate didn't win, but that the candidate who did win will not represent them and will want to basically "cancel" them. Both sides are convinced that it basically won't feel like their country anymore if the other side wins. Both sides engage the fringe the most, and that's also where they take most of their direction from. The current president called the other side garbage, and Donald Trump has given every indication (and basically even said it straight out) that he intends to go on a revenge tour if/when he's reelected. Quite frankly, that scares the shit out of me. When someone running for office says they're going to do something antagonistic, I tend to believe them!

I also think that if Trump were in prison, and literally ANYONE ELSE had run as the Republican candidate, we wouldn't have nearly this much tension.

[STL_XUfan]

I think it’s fair to say that trump is a horrible human being who should probably be in jail for what he has done in his life.

I also think it’s fair to say that the left makes shit up about him, and take things out of context.

Finally, I think it’s fair to say he’s still a better option than Kamala and who I think is probably a pedophile in walz

You accuse the left of making up shit about Trump and then you immediately make up shit about Walz.

[Xville]

You accuse the left of making up shit about Trump and then you immediately make up shit about Walz.

Tell me where I said he was? He gives me creepy uncle vibes. Look at the way he acts, makes me think he has child porn. Absolutely horrible pick by Kamala, Shapiro would have maybe made me consider voting for her

[paulxu]

Not when you are honest about it.

Whatever does that even mean? He had his attorney sign a document saying he had returned them all, and he hadn't.
Had his staff moving them around Mar-a-Lago.
I'm guessing he can't get out of this one unless he wins and cancels the prosecution.

[xubrew]

Whatever does that even mean? He had his attorney sign a document saying he had returned them all, and he hadn't.
Had his staff moving them around Mar-a-Lago.
I'm guessing he can't get out of this one unless he wins and cancels the prosecution.

I agree completely. And, it looks like he’s going to get away with it.

[xuphan]

What I don't like is that regardless of who wins, half the people will feel not just that their candidate didn't win, but that the candidate who did win will not represent them and will want to basically "cancel" them. Both sides are convinced that it basically won't feel like their country anymore if the other side wins. Both sides engage the fringe the most, and that's also where they take most of their direction from. The current president called the other side garbage, and Donald Trump has given every indication (and basically even said it straight out) that he intends to go on a revenge tour if/when he's reelected. Quite frankly, that scares the shit out of me. When someone running for office says they're going to do something antagonistic, I tend to believe them!

I also think that if Trump were in prison, and literally ANYONE ELSE had run as the Republican candidate, we wouldn't have nearly this much tension.

Well said!!! Hard to be the UNITED States of America when both parties promote hate and division. Really wish the American public would hold these political unions accountable for their actions on both sides.

[STL_XUfan]

Ann Selzer’s final Iowa poll has Harris by 3 in Iowa. She has a pretty good track record with her polls.

[bobbiemcgee]

Quick . Park you kids in front of tv. Trump is now
Doing sex simulations.

[xuphan]

Quick . Park you kids in front of tv. Trump is now
Doing sex simulations.

What?? How would you even know since you can’t stand Trump and why would you suggest kids watch it or anyone watch it for that matter? I know Trump isn’t well liked but some of you take it to the extremes.

[Xuperman]

This is absolutely going to end up chaotic....and with more than a splash of violence.

If Trump gets elected.....fire fueled protests and looting in our Big Blue Cities.

If Harris gets elected..... the angry fringe "right" will have only DC?

What are you guys thinking?

[Muskie in dayton]

Ann Selzer’s final Iowa poll has Harris by 3 in Iowa. She has a pretty good track record with her polls.
I’ll bet $1000 Trump wins Iowa. Not only will I give you Harris, I’ll give you 8 points against that pole. So Trump wins by at least 5. Deal?

[xubrew]

This is absolutely going to end up chaotic....and with more than a splash of violence.

If Trump gets elected.....fire fueled protests and looting in our Big Blue Cities.

If Harris gets elected..... the angry fringe "right" will have only DC?

What are you guys thinking?

I only live in one small corner of the country, but I think it actually feels a little less tense than in 2020. The difference being that no one really likes their own candidate and wants them to win. They just hate the other candidate and want them to lose. It’s still tense, and it will still be a mess, but I’m thinking not quite as much as four years ago.

[STL_XUfan]

I’ll bet $1000 Trump wins Iowa. Not only will I give you Harris, I’ll give you 8 points against that pole. So Trump wins by at least 5. Deal?
Yeah, not betting money against random internet stranger. But how about 1 week of not posting in this thread?

[bjf123]

I only live in one small corner of the country, but I think it actually feels a little less tense than in 2020. The difference being that no one really likes their own candidate and wants them to win. They just hate the other candidate and want them to lose. It’s still tense, and it will still be a mess, but I’m thinking not quite as much as four years ago.

Sums it up nicely.


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[GoMuskies]

Speaking of betting, the wagering markets are definitely trending Harris. As of this morning, Trump -139 and Harris +119. Trump was -130 at one point when i looked last night.

Trump is just 53.6% on Polymarket. It's a barn burner.

[bobbiemcgee]

What?? How would you even know since you can’t stand Trump and why would you suggest kids watch it or anyone watch it for that matter? I know Trump isn’t well liked but some of you take it to the extremes.
Not

No, just shows how utterly disgusting this clown is. His rallies are now MA

[XU 23]

Is there a list I can sign up for so I can get more political texts?

[XU 23]

Ann Selzer’s final Iowa poll has Harris by 3 in Iowa. She has a pretty good track record with her polls.

Emerson came out with a Trump +10 the same day. Someone isn't even close.

[X-band '01]

Newsweek - Who Is Ann Selzer? (https://www.newsweek.com/who-ann-selzer-iowa-poll-kamala-harris-1979294#:~:text=Selzer%20accurately%20predicted%20 Trump%27s%202020%20win%20over%20now-President,later%20by%208.2%20points%20%2854.2%20to %2045%20percent%29.)

Selzer has been doing polls in Iowa (for the Des Moines Register) since 1987 - she's not a fly-by-night pollster (nor is Emerson, for that matter). She did predict Trump wins in Iowa for both 2016 and 2020. She was only off by 1 percentage point last time around.

That said, Iowa has the same number of electoral votes as Nevada; I still believe 538 has Trump with a very narrow edge in Nevada. Should Trump flip Nevada, it would be negated if Harris ends up flipping Iowa.

[Xville]

Speaking of betting, the wagering markets are definitely trending Harris. As of this morning, Trump -139 and Harris +119. Trump was -130 at one point when i looked last night.

Trump is just 53.6% on Polymarket. It's a barn burner.

I’ll be absolutely stunned if trump wins this. I just don’t think there is a way in hell he becomes president again.

[xuphan]

Is there a list I can sign up for so I can get more political texts?

Can I add the daily pub and lib political flyer in the mail. Do you delete and report the political texts as spam or just block the number.

[X-band '01]

I actually texted back Fuck you to a text from "Ted Cruz" asking for donations.

I was rewarded with another week of spam texts from another 20 numbers for about a week. Take from that what you will.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yeah, not betting money against random internet stranger. But how about 1 week of not posting in this thread?
Well I was hoping to take the wife out for a long weekend… but okay. Deal.

Any other takers? Paul? Bobbie?

[GoMuskies]

Polymarket gives Trump an 82% chance of winning Iowa. Betonline.ag has Trump as a -600 favorite in Iowa.

[Xuperman]

I only live in one small corner of the country, but I think it actually feels a little less tense than in 2020. The difference being that no one really likes their own candidate and wants them to win. They just hate the other candidate and want them to lose. It’s still tense, and it will still be a mess, but I’m thinking not quite as much as four years ago.

Yeah, I am in rural southern Ohio....definitely Trump heavy redneck country. Even if he loses, there will be zero issues here.

I predicted he is going down immediately after the debate...and nothing has changed. The "Never Trump" vote is just too significant.

There will be an angry MAGA response....but where and how? It is logical to think it will be in swing state capitals or DC again. The only question is how it gets organized.

Bad place for America.

[GoMuskies]

4 days to go! Nice to have a weekend of college and NFL football to distract us (and college basketball Monday!). Betting markets are edging a bit towards Harris (and Polymarket was actually a pretty big jump towards Harris).

Trump -180
Harris +155

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.6% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

The momentum is obviously all with Harris as we come down to the wire, although they ticked back towards Trump just a bit in the last 24 hours.

Trump -147
Harris +127

Polymarket has Trump with a 57.9% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[bobbiemcgee]

Guessing you don:t like the des moines poll

L

[xubrew]

Yeah, I am in rural southern Ohio....definitely Trump heavy redneck country. Even if he loses, there will be zero issues here.

I predicted he is going down immediately after the debate...and nothing has changed. The "Never Trump" vote is just too significant.

There will be an angry MAGA response....but where and how? It is logical to think it will be in swing state capitals or DC again. The only question is how it gets organized.

Bad place for America.

I don't think the Never Trump crowd is quite as loud as it was four years ago either. Four years ago there seemed to be a huge push to get young first time voters registered to vote knowing most of them would vote against Trump. It seemed as though way more college students voted than what normally do. This year the hornets nest of young college voters does not seem to be anywhere nearly as stirred up as it was in 2020. Many are excited that classes are cancelled for Election Day, but other than that they aren't nearly as engaged. And...yes, some ABSOLUTELY are, but as a whole most are just happy that they get to go out to the bars tonight and then sleep in tomorrow. There are no protests. BLM isn't nearly as present. The late appointments to the Supreme Court didn't throw everyone into a tizzy. It just isn't as mobilized as it was four years ago. If The Left isn't super riled up, then a lot of them won't vote. Many that would vote for Team Blue just aren't going to go through the hassle of it. The Right WILL show out. They'll wait in the long lines and take the day off work if need be.