Politics Thread

[Xville]

trump and vance keep pushing the lies. Unbelievable.

They lie to for sure. However, let's not be under the illusion that places like the view, a teenage sex prodcast, and 60 minutes are fair and equitable with how they cover both sides.

[xubrew]

trump and vance keep pushing the lies about storms. Unbelievable.

There seems to be this narrative of...

The towns that were leveled by the storms have not been totally repaired and rebuilt yet!! It's been over a week!! A FULL WEEK!!! WTF KAMALA!!??

Okay....

Do I even need to unpack all the reasons this is so moronic?? This is not an endorsement of Kamala Harris. It's just pointing out that if we are going to be critical of her, then let's stick to the things that are actually within the realm of possibility. I mean, my God, even the super-Christian people should know that Jesus said he needed three full days to rebuild a temple! And that was just ONE building!! And he was JESUS!!! The recovery and rebuild are going to take some time. It always does.

[xuwillie]

Bless your heart, paul.

They All LIE... Kamala hasn't stopped lying and Walz has proven to lie over and over again.

[94GRAD]

There seems to be this narrative of...

The towns that were leveled by the storms have not been totally repaired and rebuilt yet!! It's been over a week!! A FULL WEEK!!! WTF KAMALA!!??

Okay....

Do I even need to unpack all the reasons this is so moronic?? This is not an endorsement of Kamala Harris. It's just pointing out that if we are going to be critical of her, then let's stick to the things that are actually within the realm of possibility. I mean, my God, even the super-Christian people should know that Jesus said he needed three full days to rebuild a temple! And that was just ONE building!! And he was JESUS!!! The recovery and rebuild are going to take some time. It always does.

I'm going to need a fact-check on this one. :laugh:

[STL_XUfan]

Great! She's sitting for interviews now with idiots from the VIEW, a sex podcast, and 60 minutes and looking really stupid in the process, which is exactly why she wasn't sitting for interviews in the first place even in her safe space.

Right now if I'm Trump or Vance I wouldn't sit for interviews with those media types either. They "fact-check" with their own lies. So why give them the platform? Did you watch the Vance/Walz debate? The moderators literally fact checked with lies.

It is actually a really smart strategy, and it is the one being deployed by both sides. We are 12 years into Trump being a known quantity. If his actions after last election didn't cause a voter to drop him, there is nothing Harris is going to say in a 60 minutes interview that is going to change that voter's mind 30 days prior to the election. Further, 60 minutes and more traditional media are full of readers and viewers that are actively seeking out political news. Those people also have made up their mind.

Harris and/or Trump will win by turning a non-voter into a voter. Those voters are not seeking out political information, so you got to go find them where they are. Podcast interviews in non-traditional politics spaces are more likely to be heard by the potential non-voter. It is also more likely to have clips go viral on various social media platforms which could read this sect of non-voters. Harris going on Call Her Daddy, All the Smoke, and the View and like is a good plan. (Trump is also doing this with various right wing podcasts and youtubers, I just cannot think of them at the moment.)

At this rate I fully except to see Harris on Hot Ones and Tim Walz showing up on some random Fantasy football podcast talking about which running back to start next week.

[xubrew]

I'm going to need a fact-check on this one. :laugh:

I refuse to be fact-checked!!!!!!!

[xuwillie]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walz-says-electoral-college-needs-to-go-campaign-says-thats-not-its-position/

Good way to lose the midwest independent voter

[Xville]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/walz-says-electoral-college-needs-to-go-campaign-says-thats-not-its-position/

Good way to lose the midwest independent voter

the guy is an effing moron. The amount of complete stupidity in today's politics is astounding. We have this dude wanted to take the constitution and set it on fire and then we have MTG believing that Dems are controlling the weather.

We are 100% living in Idiocracy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Morons who have raised a billion $ in 80 days

[xukeith]

With North Carolina and Georgia being hit hard by a hurricane and now in need of a ton of help, could Democrat state officials slow roll the get out for Republican voters in these blasted counties?
How bad would that look?

[Smails]

Morons who have raised a billion $ in 80 days

Well that's quite the measuring stick isn't it? I think it's been proven time and time again that you can be a complete jagoff and still raise a lot of money.

[Xville]

Morons who have raised a billion $ in 80 days

All you’re proving is that the American public is stupid. We already knew that, trump is the candidate on the other side.

[STL_XUfan]

With North Carolina and Georgia being hit hard by a hurricane and now in need of a ton of help, could Democrat state officials slow roll the get out for Republican voters in these blasted counties?
How bad would that look?
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/07/bipartisan-state-board-unanimously-approves-measures-help-wnc-voters

Emergency procedures are already being put in place to make sure that people are able to vote even in areas that were hit by the Hurricane.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well that's quite the measuring stick isn't it? I think it's been proven time and time again that you can be a complete jagoff and still raise a lot of money.
Yes I think trump has proven that concussively

[X-band '01]

I guess I'm a little cranky today. Largely because of what I fear is about to happen. I wish the Dems didn't have such complete control of the weather.

Angry xubrew is entertaining on a certain level.

I will now point out that the almighty Tim Miles has never won an NCAA Tournament game on the Division 1 level.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump and vance keep pushing the lies about storms. Unbelievable.

Fox is quietly reporting the that their reporters are full of shit:

"The channel had obtained a fact sheet produced by the Republican Majority on the House committee responsible for federal funding, Pergram said. The document reinforced that FEMA had necessary funding for the short-term storm response and that funding streams for storm response and immigration were separate. “[T]he only connection,” it states according to Pergram, “is that both programs are administered by FEMA.”

[paulxu]

The R’s in the House didn’t get the memo/marching orders ?

No fact checking allowed.

[xuphan]

All you’re proving is that the American public is stupid. We already knew that, trump is the candidate on the other side.

Ya, I often wonder how someone like MTG is A) selected and kept by the Republican Party to represent them and B) why Georgians think she is fit to represent them in Congress. I often shake my head when I read quotes from her but insinuating Democrats control the weather takes the cake in my opinion. I also saw a post on X from an American citizen wondering why hurricanes seem to only target red states in response to her quote. Yikes!

[xubrew]

You know what I’d really like to see?? For Kamala Harris (or ANY Democrat in any public office) to tell this guy to go fuck himself for making such a gross statement. But, I know that won’t happen…


Let’s be clear. Allowing Trump to hold an event at MSG is equivalent to the infamous Nazis rally at Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939 2/3

https://x.com/bradhoylman/status/1844008984073867541?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

[GoMuskies]

Uh 'brew, Trump is literally as bad as Hitler. You haven't figured that out yet? FDR's old internment camps are going to be repurposed for 21st century concentration camps once Trump is back in office. OBVIOUSLY

[Smails]

You know what I’d really like to see?? For Kamala Harris (or ANY Democrat in any public office) to tell this guy to go fuck himself for making such a gross statement. But, I know that won’t happen…



https://x.com/bradhoylman/status/1844008984073867541?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

He's a homosexual, democrat from New York...that's basically full immunity.

[STL_XUfan]

Uh 'brew, Trump is literally as bad as Hitler. You haven't figured that out yet? FDR's old internment camps are going to be repurposed for 21st century concentration camps once Trump is back in office. OBVIOUSLY
Is it too early to call dibs on a top bunk?

[xuphan]

You know what I’d really like to see?? For Kamala Harris (or ANY Democrat in any public office) to tell this guy to go fuck himself for making such a gross statement. But, I know that won’t happen…



https://x.com/bradhoylman/status/1844008984073867541?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

Wait, you expect members of Congress to have some sort of ethical code of conduct and put country before party? You know that doesn’t happen and it never will because the American public doesn’t hold the people responsible for their actions. Instead of calling this behavior out we will have our liberal friends say…..but but but Trump said…….to justify this behavior.

[xubrew]

Uh 'brew, Trump is literally as bad as Hitler. You haven't figured that out yet? FDR's old internment camps are going to be repurposed for 21st century concentration camps once Trump is back in office. OBVIOUSLY

While Trump shows his ass all over the place, and is so incapable of telling the truth that he won't even participate in any sort of debate or interview where fact-checking will occur, and his method for garnering support is to make people as mad as possible at his opponents by just completely making shit up, so far as I know the guy has never advocated for the complete destruction of entire religions and races of people. Trump is a bad guy who I think probably does deserve to be in prison (albeit not for the porn star stuff), but there are a few planets in between him and Hitler.

[GoMuskies]

Latest in the WSJ. Evil white supremacists....provide much-needed hurricane relief help? Strange world.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/hurricane-relief-misinformation-white-supremacists-85f3df64?mod=hp_lead_pos7

At least some of the people they interviewed for the article seemed normal/rational:

"In Horseshoe Beach, Brett Selph unwittingly became part of Patriot Front’s video after receiving their assistance. He didn’t know who the group was at the time, and is still appreciative of the help.

“When you have 100 families without homes it doesn’t really matter who’s helping clean up to get back to normalcy,” said Selph, sounding exhausted, before adding that buildings for his charter boat business were wiped away. “We weren’t asking who wanted to pick up trash and tote it to the road. If they were willing to pick up trash and move it to the road, whether it was inmates or whatever, we were glad to have the help.”"

[bobbiemcgee]

Now trump sez corps are "raping' us and said Detroit is a shithole in Detroit.

[xuwillie]

Harris did not look good at all in that 60 min interview. For once MSM doing their job.


https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/harris-60-minutes-interview-faces-backlash-over-edits-221468229890

Take that back, 60 min decided to edit its original interview.. Disgusting

[xubrew]

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/harris-60-minutes-interview-faces-backlash-over-edits-221468229890

Take that back, 60 min decided to edit its original interview.. Disgusting

Yes, they edited it and the edits made her look more favorable. No question about it.

But, virtually EVERY interview of any kind is edited. If it isn't live, or if they don't specifically state that it's an unedited interview (and there are some people that will only agree to interviews that are unedited) then the interview has been edited.

And, didn't they also air the interview in its entirety, and only used the edits as teasers?? I believe 60 Minutes routinely makes the full interviews available, but edits them for the show itself. Otherwise, it wouldn't be over in 60 Minutes. And, if they didn't make the whole interview available in some way, shape, or form, then how the hell did anyone ever see the full version of it to know what they had edited for the show??

The reaction from Trump is, of course, overblown. I'd be curious to know exactly what it is he thinks an editor does. But, the edited version DID make her look better.

[xuwillie]

Yes, they edited it and the edits made her look more favorable. No question about it.

But, virtually EVERY interview of any kind is edited. If it isn't live, or if they don't specifically state that it's an unedited interview (and there are some people that will only agree to interviews that are unedited) then the interview has been edited.

And, didn't they also air the interview in its entirety, and only used the edits as teasers?? I believe 60 Minutes routinely makes the full interviews available, but edits them for the show itself. Otherwise, it wouldn't be over in 60 Minutes. And, if they didn't make the whole interview available in some way, shape, or form, then how the hell did anyone ever see the full version of it to know what they had edited for the show??

The reaction from Trump is, of course, overblown. But, the edited version DID make her look better.

I haven't seen Trumps reaction and could care less. This goes back to my point MSM can no longer be trusted and why more and more are going to X and other social media

[xubrew]

I haven't seen Trumps reaction and could care less. This goes back to my point MSM can no longer be trusted and why more and more are going to X and other social media

Yes, because clearly everything on X is properly vetted.

https://x.com/James_Hawke1/status/1777473154757333388

[STL_XUfan]

I haven't seen Trumps reaction and could care less. This goes back to my point MSM can no longer be trusted and why more and more are going to X and other social media

I know one person that disagrees with you:


Harris did not look good at all in that 60 min interview. For once MSM doing their job.

[xuphan]

I know one person that disagrees with you:

Curious what other Ohioans think about issue 1? Will it get rid of Gerrymandering or will Gerry live on?

[bjf123]

Curious what other Ohioans think about issue 1? Will it get rid of Gerrymandering or will Gerry live on?

It’s essentially a new form of gerrymandering to meet a predetermined outcome. Isn’t it funny how a lot of the money in support of this is coming from out of state. Also funny how there are no similar issues being brought up in blue states. I’m sure their districts are gerrymandered too.


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[xubrew]

When I saw this I just laughed. I’m sorry, but I oftentimes enjoy a good grift. And this one is pretty incredible! And it just got even better!

https://apnews.com/article/32a80611605d4052d8238064bbcace4c

[X-band '01]

It’s essentially a new form of gerrymandering to meet a predetermined outcome. Isn’t it funny how a lot of the money in support of this is coming from out of state. Also funny how there are no similar issues being brought up in blue states. I’m sure their districts are gerrymandered too.


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I know Michigan was having similar issues with a citizens commission now drawing their maps. The Ohio Supreme Court rejected the state legislature maps on multiple occasions (at least when Maureen O'Connor was the Chief Justice). When she retired because of an age limit, the Ohio Supreme Court suddenly had no trouble accepting maps that were too Republican-friendly. And O'Connor wasn't a Democrat either; she was a Republican who simply had a more neutral strike zone.

What Issue 1 would do is make a 15-citizen panel consisting of 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats and 5 independents who are NOT elected officials. Ohioans do lean Republican about 55-45%, but not in a manner that would consistently allow for supermajorities in the Ohio Legislature.

To me, I think 2026 will be more telling when Mike DeWine is term limited as governor. Will Ohio go for another DeWine clone who actually acts responsibly or elect a Trump clone (i.e. Vivek Ramaswany) who's just full of hot air?

[xubrew]

Before Biden dropped out, I didn't see any way that Trump would not win the election.

Then I went to think that he'd probably win, that that Kamala had a chance.

After the debate, I thought Kamala would win, and even if she had to sweat a little bit, it would only be a little bit.

I'm now back to thinking Trump will almost assuredly win, and while Kamala may still have a bit of a chance, I think the chances of a blowout in favor of Trump are more likely than Kamala Harris winning at all.


And, yes. I seem to flipflop more than most actual politicians do.

[paulxu]

When I saw this I just laughed. I’m sorry, but I oftentimes enjoy a good grift. And this one is pretty incredible! And it just got even better!

https://apnews.com/article/32a80611605d4052d8238064bbcace4c

The fact that people will vote for him, is the biggest grift of all..

[GoMuskies]

The fact that people will vote for him, is the biggest grift of all..

The alternative is such garbage that it's not even illogical, honestly. Even though he clearly sucks.

[bobbiemcgee]

He's still pushing that dems control the weather saying they send it to only the pub counties away from the jews

[xubrew]

He's still pushing that dems control the weather saying they send it to only the pub counties away from the jews

This is just all kinds of dumb…

1) it’s batshit.

2) it’s absurd that anyone is dumb enough to believe it

3) and, it doesn’t even make any sense to try and convince people that Dems can control the weather!! I mean, as scary as it is to do this, let’s just suppose that the Dems could do this. How is it supposed to convince anyone NOT to vote for them! I mean, holy shit!! Anyone that knows how to control the weather has certainly got my vote!!

[bobbiemcgee]

And nice that he sent covid relief to Putin

[xubrew]

Does this bother anyone??

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/politics/trump-gop-donors.html

And, quite frankly, what’s his problem??? He’s winning! And if he can, yunno, not keep raising the bar for his derogatory rhetoric, he’ll probably cruise through the election.

[paulxu]

The only way he'll ever have security clearance after stealing top secret documents, is to be elected.
Generally that would disqualify a candidate.

[paulxu]

Also, who knew that a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs could be a radical left wing person and share my concern (and apparently suffer from this TDS thing) and fear for our country.
Amazing.


Retired Army Gen. Mark Milley, who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under former President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden, now says Trump is a “total fascist” and “fascist to the core,” according to a forthcoming book by Bob Woodward, the famed Watergate journalist.

“He is the most dangerous person ever,” Milley told Woodward for his book “War,” according to The Guardian. “I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country.”

[bobbiemcgee]

My bar-b-que was almost ruined but then I changed the weather.

[GoMuskies]

Man, i feel like a Trump presidency is going to be a major money maker for therapists.

[xubrew]

Man, i feel like a Trump presidency is going to be a major money maker for therapists.

Will this help boost the economy?

[Strange Brew]

Man, i feel like a Trump presidency is going to be a major money maker for therapists.

Reps.

[xuwillie]

Reps.

Nah they'll just riot for 4 years

[xubrew]

Nah they'll just riot for 4 years

Probably just for two.

[GoMuskies]

Probably just for two.

Sure, after two years all the people who would have rioted will be in camps.

[xubrew]

The outcome of this election could very well determine whether it's President Trump or Inmate Trump.

I hate all of this. I cannot stand how Trump is so incapable of telling the truth he won't participate in any debate or interview where he will be fact checked. I hate how he has actually (seemingly) convinced his supporters that fact-checking is somehow Un-American. I hate how he has no respect whatsoever for the checks and balances we have built into our system, nor does he respect the customs of public life, and while I totally think that most people who run for public office do it for selfish reasons, even by those standards Trump is off the charts.

As for Kamala Harris...well...I'll just say this. She just isn't qualified. Like...NOT AT ALL. She is to the Executive Branch what Kenny Payne was to D1 basketball coaching. She's WAAAAAAAYYYYY out of her depth!!!

This should bother EVERYONE. At a time when we are so divided, we should at least be united on the basis of not liking THIS!!! It's ridiculous. It's a collective failure. No one should be happy now, and no one should be happy the day after the election.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump sez he will use the military to round up his political enemies. Insane.

[paulxu]

Just curious Brew. Why is Harris so unqualified?
AG for largest state, United States Senator and 4 years as VP with a lot of time devoted to working with our allies.
Generally that would be a good resume.
Are there specific instances of being unqualified, or just the standard talking point.

[Smails]

Man, i feel like a Trump presidency is going to be a major money maker for therapists.

Fantastic...reps!

[xubrew]

Just curious Brew. Why is Harris so unqualified?
AG for largest state, United States Senator and 4 years as VP with a lot of time devoted to working with our allies.
Generally that would be a good resume.
Are there specific instances of being unqualified, or just the standard talking point.

If I'm honest it's more of a general impression than it is her resume (which as you point out actually isn't that bad). A big part of it is, if I'm honest with myself, a personal aggravation of how there wasn't a proper primary or even a convention. I felt they had time to do it and she was simply chosen over some other candidates who would have been better. That, and when someone is running for office they need to make themselves available more than she does. MUCH more.

But I would still prefer her to Trump. By quite a bit. I just don't think she's going to win, and I think there are several others that probably would have.

[paulxu]

Thanks for your response. The lack of a regular primary when an unusual occurrence of Biden withdrawing was strange.
Not sure of the logistics, but the official nomination and vote went on as usual at the convention.
These are strange times we are living through.

[GoMuskies]

Of the four on the Presidential ticket, JD Vance is by far and away the most competent. That is not something I expected to say (and still remains faint praise).

[xuphan]

If I'm honest it's more of a general impression than it is her resume (which as you point out actually isn't that bad). A big part of it is, if I'm honest with myself, a personal aggravation of how there wasn't a proper primary or even a convention. I felt they had time to do it and she was simply chosen over some other candidates who would have been better. That, and when someone is running for office they need to make themselves available more than she does. MUCH more.

But I would still prefer her to Trump. By quite a bit. I just don't think she's going to win, and I think there are several others that probably would have.

I often wonder why she was selected by the Democrats to be the nominee. The Democrats had the perfect opportunity to move away from the Biden Administration and go in a different direction to win the moderate vote/win the election. The moderate voters have been against both Biden and Trump. Yet they nominated Bidens assistant which is perceived and rightfully so as another Biden which the moderates don’t want. So now the moderates again are having to decide between two unpopular candidates which I think will ultimately backfire for the Democrats.

[xubrew]

I often wonder why she was selected by the Democrats to be the nominee. The Democrats had the perfect opportunity to move away from the Biden Administration and go in a different direction to win the moderate vote/win the election. The moderate voters have been against both Biden and Trump. Yet they nominated Bidens assistant which is perceived and rightfully so as another Biden which the moderates don’t want. So now the moderates again are having to decide between two unpopular candidates which I think will ultimately backfire for the Democrats.

From a political science point of view, your are 100% right.

I think the reason the Dems did it is because they thought it would be unfair to her if they didn't. Perhaps that isn't the real reason, but if you were ask me what I thought was going on inside their heads, it's that. In reality, from a political science approach, it was a bad choice. And, they'll probably lose. To TRUMP!!

[GoMuskies]

Okay, time to refresh on some election odds now that we're two weeks out (courtesty of betonline.ag):

President:
Trump -140
Harris +120

This is the only one I've really been watching regularly. Harris was favored for about a month until the last week or so. Trump has been slowly edging in front the last 7-10 days. But this could obviously easily slide back in the other direction.


Control of the House:

Democrats -140
Republicans +110

If Trump wins the Presidency, this would probably be a good thing.

Senate:

Michigan
Slotkin -375
Rogers +300

Ohio
Brown -115
Moreno -115

Pennsylvania
Casey -500
McCormick +350

Wisconsin
Baldwin -350
Hovde +275

Arizona
Gallego -600
Lake +400

Montana
Sheehy -400
Tester +300

Nevada
Rosen -750
Brown +500

Nebraska
Fischer -325
Osborn +250

Senate Control
Republicans -350
Democrats +275

If Trump wins, I'd prefer Republicans to have Senate control, because I think one positive of a Trump presidency is the judges he is able to appoint, and Republican Senate control means most of his judges will be confirmed. Good board for Republicans this year with WV and MT likely to flip. Ohio could go, too. Nebraska could be a surprising wildcard. As mentioned before, I wish Dems and Republicans could work out a deal where Tester got to take Montana while Hogan got to win Maryland, but that's unfortunately now how this works.

[xubrew]

Okay, time to refresh on some election odds now that we're two weeks out (courtesty of betonline.ag):

President:
Trump -140
Harris +120

This is the only one I've really been watching regularly. Harris was favored for about a month until the last week or so. Trump has been slowly edging in front the last 7-10 days. But this could obviously easily slide back in the other direction.


Control of the House:

Democrats -140
Republicans +110

If Trump wins the Presidency, this would probably be a good thing.

Senate:

Michigan
Slotkin -375
Rogers +300

Ohio
Brown -115
Moreno -115

Pennsylvania
Casey -500
McCormick +350

Wisconsin
Baldwin -350
Hovde +275

Arizona
Gallego -600
Lake +400

Montana
Sheehy -400
Tester +300

Nevada
Rosen -750
Brown +500

Nebraska
Fischer -325
Osborn +250

Senate Control
Republicans -350
Democrats +275

If Trump wins, I'd prefer Republicans to have Senate control, because I think one positive of a Trump presidency is the judges he is able to appoint, and Republican Senate control means most of his judges will be confirmed. Good board for Republicans this year with WV and MT likely to flip. Ohio could go, too. Nebraska could be a surprising wildcard. As mentioned before, I wish Dems and Republicans could work out a deal where Tester got to take Montana while Hogan got to win Maryland, but that's unfortunately now how this works.

I think you're an attorney, so you probably have a better perception of this than I do. But, this actually concerns me. Mixing identity politics and religious influence into the judiciary makes me cringe. Considering all of Trump's legal issues I don't feel too comfortable with the idea that he'll be the one appointing judges. I'd much rather it be someone who has a little more respect for the law and who isn't influenced by a base that pushes identity politics and religion into it.

Thoughts on that??

[GoMuskies]

He basically outsourced his judge picking to the Federalist Society, and I feel like they picked well. His appointed judges held up well in the face of the 2020 election challenges. Everyone was just sure his judges were going to swing the election in his favor, but they obviously did not.

[xubrew]

Before Biden dropped out, I didn't see any way that Trump would not win the election.

Then I went to think that he'd probably win, that that Kamala had a chance.

After the debate, I thought Kamala would win, and even if she had to sweat a little bit, it would only be a little bit.

I'm now back to thinking Trump will almost assuredly win, and while Kamala may still have a bit of a chance, I think the chances of a blowout in favor of Trump are more likely than Kamala Harris winning at all.


And, yes. I seem to flipflop more than most actual politicians do.

Someone just told me that Kid Rock announced he would leave the United States if Trump lost the electoin.

If true, this is great news for the Democrats!! This could seal the deal!!

[xuwillie]

Someone just told me that Kid Rock announced he would leave the United States if Trump lost the electoin.

If true, this is great news for the Democrats!! This could seal the deal!!

I only wish all the "stars" who said they would leave in '16 if Trump won actually left

[xubrew]

I only wish all the "stars" who said they would leave in '16 if Trump won actually left

Trump, as much as I can't stand him as a public official, did in fact throw the greatest banquet the White House has ever seen in its entire history when he just ordered a shit ton of fast food for Clemson's football team. Those guys LOVED IT!! And, had a lot of those stars actually left, it may have almost been worth it!

[bobbiemcgee]

trump wants to use the US Army to jail his political enemies.. Sound familiar? I guess the Jews and Catholics will be first.

[paulxu]

So they just decided to grant him immunity. Nice.

[xubrew]

trump wants to use the US Army to jail his political enemies.. Sound familiar? I guess the Jews and Catholics will be first.

His main motivation seems to be to stick it to his enemies, and his enemies consist of anyone who didn’t do an indecent or dishonest thing when he asked them to. And this is the man we are about to elect. NO ONE should be happy about that or want that to happen.

[xuphan]

trump wants to use the US Army to jail his political enemies.. Sound familiar? I guess the Jews and Catholics will be first.

Link?

[paulxu]

Google is your friend.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-suggests-hell-use-the-military-on-the-enemy-from-within-the-u-s-if-hes-reelected

[GoMuskies]

Just curious Brew. Why is Harris so unqualified?
AG for largest state, United States Senator and 4 years as VP with a lot of time devoted to working with our allies.
Generally that would be a good resume.
Are there specific instances of being unqualified, or just the standard talking point.

That's like saying Donald Trump has a good resume for President because he's actually been President for four years.

Anyway, Trump seemed to have peaked at -145 in the odds yesterday and is back down to -140 today. I think we're in for two straight weeks of "Trump bad" with not much talk about Kamala because, frankly, that's a better, likely more effective strategy.

[Xville]

Yeah, just because you have some other jobs or even the job itself, doesn’t make you qualified for it.

Have you seen her speak? What accomplishments during her run as ag or vp, makes you believe she is qualified? just because she was the ag or have had a few conversations with world leaders doesn’t mean she’s qualified.i mean what tangible things has she done in those positions to make her qualified for president?

[xubrew]

That's like saying Donald Trump has a good resume for President because he's actually been President for four years.

Anyway, Trump seemed to have peaked at -145 in the odds yesterday and is back down to -140 today. I think we're in for two straight weeks of "Trump bad" with not much talk about Kamala because, frankly, that's a better, likely more effective strategy.

Every time Trump opens his mouth it’s bad. It’s astounding how he just keeps pouring gasoline on himself and jumping into the fire, but never really getting burned.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump stares into space for 39 mins at his sock hop with the dog killer��

[xubrew]

trump stares into space for 39 mins at his sock hop with the dog killer��

Trump seems to be more and more unhinged lately. But he’s winning, and he’s probably going to win. We are about to reelect a lunatic.

[xuwillie]

Trump seems to be more and more unhinged lately. But he’s winning, and he’s probably going to win. We are about to reelect a lunatic.

seems like people on this board are becoming unhinged once again... Good times

[Xville]

Trump seems to be more and more unhinged lately. But he’s winning, and he’s probably going to win. We are about to reelect a lunatic.

That’s what happens when Kamala is the alternative. As horrible of a person as he is, and certainly no fan of him, he still beats the alternative for me.

[paulxu]

With his continuing cognitive decline, you would really be electing JD Vance.
What are his qualifications ?

[noteggs]

Saw the best election sign in someone’s yard - “everybody sucks in 2024”. Made me laugh because it wasn’t hand written but looked like your typical Trump or Harris yard sign.

[Leghorn]

With his continuing cognitive decline, you would really be electing JD Vance.
What are his qualifications ?

Really, you're going to go here. After Biden for the last four years. Unbelievable.

[Xville]

With his continuing cognitive decline, you would really be electing JD Vance.
What are his qualifications ?

He’s not Kamala or trump, good enough for me.

Kamala is now thinking about tax paid reparations for black people. Seriously fuck her

[xuwillie]

He’s not Kamala or trump, good enough for me.

Kamala is now thinking about tax paid reparations for black people. Seriously fuck her

Never will happen at the federal level but She's pretty desperate to get the male black vote so will say anything at this point.

[GoMuskies]

With his continuing cognitive decline, you would really be electing JD Vance.
What are his qualifications ?

The guy who went to Yale Law School (non-legacy, non-DEI), is a best selling author, is a Senator and who can cogently put two sentences together? That guy?

In this race, those qualifications make him an absolute superstar.

[GoMuskies]

I guess we'll make this the daily morning update on Presidential odds. Trump seems to be pulling away. He's back close to where he was before Joe Biden was forced from the race.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 58.9% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Polymarket actually predicts a rout, with Trump leading Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona. Him winning more than one of those four would surprise me.

[Xville]

I guess we'll make this the daily morning update on Presidential odds. Trump seems to be pulling away. He's back close to where he was before Joe Biden was forced from the race.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 58.9% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Polymarket actually predicts a rout, with Trump leading Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona. Him winning more than one of those four would surprise me.

I can't wait to see people lose their effing minds the day after the election no matter who wins. X is going to be glorious.

Hopefully all the celebrities that promise to leave this time, actually will...maybe California could reverse itself from being an absolute shitshow.

[paulxu]

Does it make you proud our country could elect a twice impeached, convicted felon out on parole, sexual abuser, denounced as a danger and unfit by people who worked for him (including his VP), charity scam artist, under federal and state indictments, to be our leader?

It is certainly a historical first that those are the facts of a leading party's presidential candidate. Hard to imagine he might be elected again.

[xuwillie]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2503257/fbi-quietly-revises-2022-violent-crime-data-revealing-increase-and-raising-transparency-concerns

Interesting time to come out with this information

[GoMuskies]

Does it make you proud our country could elect a twice impeached, convicted felon out on parole, sexual abuser, denounced as a danger and unfit by people who worked for him (including his VP), charity scam artist, under federal and state indictments, to be our leader?

It is certainly a historical first that those are the facts of a leading party's presidential candidate. Hard to imagine he might be elected again.

How could this possibly have been avoided? Anyone have any ideas? Seems like pushing a mush brain through an uncontested primary and then replacing him with his dimwitted, cackling #2 was a brilliant strategy when trying to save the world from literally Hitler.

[Xville]

Does it make you proud our country could elect a twice impeached, convicted felon out on parole, sexual abuser, denounced as a danger and unfit by people who worked for him (including his VP), charity scam artist, under federal and state indictments, to be our leader?

It is certainly a historical first that those are the facts of a leading party's presidential candidate. Hard to imagine he might be elected again.

no, but it beats the alternative. A dumb, communist whose only policy is making sure everyone has their safe spaces.

[xuwillie]

no, but it beats the alternative. A dumb, communist whose only policy is making sure everyone has their safe spaces.

At this point, RFK and Musk have me more excited than any other options. Harris and Trump are an afterthought but the Dems behind Harris aren't much better honestly

[paulxu]

How could this possibly have been avoided? Anyone have any ideas?

Just a couple of Republican senators who had some backbone, and didn't want to have their party turned into a personality cult, who believed in their party's core tenets which their nominee continually disrespects, could have voted to impeach.

He would have been banned from the office permanently, and they could have a nominee who wasn't increasingly losing it and saved their party.

[xubrew]

How could this possibly have been avoided? Anyone have any ideas? Seems like pushing a mush brain through an uncontested primary and then replacing him with his dimwitted, cackling #2 was a brilliant strategy when trying to save the world from literally Hitler.

The Democrats are stupid. That's the gist of it. Trump wouldn't be a threat if the Democrats weren't so dumb.

[Xville]

Just a couple of Republican senators who had some backbone, and didn't want to have their party turned into a personality cult, who believed in their party's core tenets which their nominee continually disrespects, could have voted to impeach.

He would have been banned from the office permanently, and they could have a nominee who wasn't increasingly losing it and saved their party.

Funny. You can’t help yourself. He was referring to your party’s way of “electing” their candidate. You could have had a proper candidate, instead went with the dei moron who can’t form a coherent sentence.

This shouldn’t even be a race. The dem candidate should be winning every state outside of the Deep South, but your party “elected” someone worse than trump. Think about that for a moment.

[xubrew]

Funny. You can’t help yourself. He was referring to your party’s way of “electing” their candidate. You could have had a proper candidate, instead went with the dei moron who can’t form a coherent sentence.

This shouldn’t even be a race. The dem candidate should be winning every state outside of the Deep South, but your party “elected” someone worse than trump. Think about that for a moment.

^^^^100,000%!!!!!!!!!!

Trump is a fucking asshat. It goes beyond not liking him. I'm legit concerned about having someone like that in office. But, had the Democrats not been stupid, NO WAY it happens!! As it is, he's winning and he's going to win, and it makes COMPLETE sense as to why that is going to happen. This could have been, and absolutely should have been, avoided. Instead we are about to reelect a narcissistic mental patient that would otherwise probably be in prison like many of his former subordinates have been for what they did under his direction.

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!

[paulxu]

who can’t form a coherent sentence.

Are you referring to the candidate that spent 39 minutes dancing on stage to music instead of taking questions, who rambled incoherently to the economic forum when asked questions, who does the "weave" instead of answering questions, refuses a second debate or national interviews...or the one who is taking interviews and questions, even on Fox.

[Xville]

Are you referring to the candidate that spent 39 minutes dancing on stage to music instead of taking questions, who rambled incoherently to the economic forum when asked questions, who does the "weave" instead of answering questions, refuses a second debate or national interviews...or the one who is taking interviews and questions, even on Fox.

You should probably do a bit more research and understand why that happened. You may feel a bit like Kamala after doing so.

[xubrew]

Are you referring to the candidate that spent 39 minutes dancing on stage to music instead of taking questions, who rambled incoherently to the economic forum when asked questions, who does the "weave" instead of answering questions, refuses a second debate or national interviews...or the one who is taking interviews and questions, even on Fox.

Paul, how can you, or any other sensible Democrat, not be utterly infuriated with the (so called) leadership of the Democratic Party?? They can't win an election against Donald Trump.

They can't win an election against DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!

If that hasn't sunk in yet, then it needs to.

[GoMuskies]

I think we're in for two straight weeks of "Trump bad" with not much talk about Kamala because, frankly, that's a better, likely more effective strategy.

Taps sign

[Smails]

Paul, how can you, or any other sensible Democrat, not be utterly infuriated with the (so called) leadership of the Democratic Party??

Sensible Democrats are absolutely infuriated with how this is playing out. Ideologues on the other hand think there's nothing wrong with how they propped up a corpse for 4 years and then decided to nominate a complete fool without a primary.

[xubrew]

Taps sign

For me personally, it isn't strategic. I just think Trump is bad.

[xubrew]

Okay, I don’t know if this is a real quote or not, but if it is it’s actually kind of funny.

https://x.com/freyjatarte/status/1846306212368830743?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

[STL_XUfan]

Funny. You can’t help yourself. He was referring to your party’s way of “electing” their candidate. You could have had a proper candidate, instead went with the dei moron who can’t form a coherent sentence.

This shouldn’t even be a race. The dem candidate should be winning every state outside of the Deep South, but your party “elected” someone worse than trump. Think about that for a moment.

Whoever they would have realistically nominated you would have said the same thing about. I seriously doubt if they nominated Newsom, Buttigieg, or Shapiro you would be signing their praises.

[xubrew]

Whoever they would have realistically nominated you would have said the same thing about. I seriously doubt if they nominated Newsom, Buttigieg, or Shapiro you would be signing their praises.

Perhaps, but it's simple logic. The person that gets the most votes in a primary is probably going to be the "most electable" candidate. To just not have one, and on top of not having one and then selecting a person that never performed well in any previous primaries, is just bad strategy.

I think the thought process was "Well, it wouldn't be fair to her if we nominated someone else or had a primary that someone else might win, so we'll just go with her."

She's not the most electable candidate. She's actually pretty far from it. Yet, that's who they nominated. THAT SHOULD MAKE ANYONE WHO WANTS TRUMP TO LOSE THE ELECTION REALLY MAD!!! A Democrat governor from what is normally a red state would probably be so far ahead right now that there'd almost be no point in even voting. But, instead, it's Kamala Harris.

[Xville]

Whoever they would have realistically nominated you would have said the same thing about. I seriously doubt if they nominated Newsom, Buttigieg, or Shapiro you would be signing their praises.

With Newsom and Petey you are right, but I like Shapiro. I would have voted for him ten times over Trump. Although I don't agree with him on everything, he's the kind of politician I like...pragmatic, able to reach across the aisle and get stuff done.

He would have been a good VP pick.

Dems need to push really hard for both Shapiro and Beshear in '28. They'd win with either candidate and don't think it'd be all that close unless the Republicans actually come up with decent candidates themselves

[GoMuskies]

For me personally, it isn't strategic. I just think Trump is bad.

I personally believe that you only think that because it's true.

[94GRAD]

Perhaps, but it's simple logic. The person that gets the most votes in a primary is probably going to be the "most electable" candidate. To just not have one, and on top of not having one and then selecting a person that never performed well in any previous primaries, is just bad strategy.

I think the thought process was "Well, it wouldn't be fair to her if we nominated someone else or had a primary that someone else might win, so we'll just go with her."

She's not the most electable candidate. She's actually pretty far from it. Yet, that's who they nominated. THAT SHOULD MAKE ANYONE WHO WANTS TRUMP TO LOSE THE ELECTION REALLY MAD!!! A Democrat governor from what is normally a red state would probably be so far ahead right now that there'd almost be no point in even voting. But, instead, it's Kamala Harris.

Living in KY, I would have voted for Beshear is a heartbeat!

[Xville]

Does it make you proud our country could elect a twice impeached, convicted felon out on parole, sexual abuser, denounced as a danger and unfit by people who worked for him (including his VP), charity scam artist, under federal and state indictments, to be our leader?

It is certainly a historical first that those are the facts of a leading party's presidential candidate. Hard to imagine he might be elected again.

Does it make you proud your party elected a candidate going outside the democratic process?

It is certainly a historical first that those are the facts of a leading party's presidential candidate.

[noteggs]

Whoever they would have realistically nominated you would have said the same thing about. I seriously doubt if they nominated Newsom, Buttigieg, or Shapiro you would be signing their praises.

The problem is the democrats didn’t push Biden out sooner. The signs for him to do that were apparent. If he stepped down before the primary, there would be a good chance Harris would not be the candidate.

Since democrats are big into identity politics, there is no way Harris would not be the candidate when Joe stepped down (after primary). It would be political suicide for the party. Think about it, throwing the first female minority VP to the curb at that point? Again, not going to happen.

Like ville, I would have definitely consider Shapiro over Trump if those are my two choices.

[xubrew]

Living in KY, I would have voted for Beshear is a heartbeat!

A lot of people would have. The "most electable" candidates are Democrats from red states or Republicans from blue states that have actually run for office in those states and won.

[bobbiemcgee]

Paul, how can you, or any other sensible Democrat, not be utterly infuriated with the (so called) leadership of the Democratic Party?? They can't win an election against Donald Trump.

They can't win an election against DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!

If that hasn't sunk in yet, then it needs to.

Huh? Are you an election denier?

[xubrew]

Huh? Are you an election denier?

Huh??

Ummm...No. I'm not an election denier. I cannot deny that we are about to have an election and that the Democrats are probably going to lose. To Donald Trump. What should have been an easy layup for the Democrats is going to be a defeat because they're so inept when it comes to winning elections that they can't even manage to beat a guy that is disliked by pretty much most of the planet.

[xuphan]

Huh??

Ummm...No. I'm not an election denier. I cannot deny that we are about to have an election and that the Democrats are probably going to lose. To Donald Trump. What should have been an easy layup for the Democrats is going to be a defeat because they're so inept when it comes to winning elections that they can't even manage to beat a guy that is disliked by pretty much most of the planet.

Both parties are catering to their extreme donors and followers and have neglected the moderate vote. I would say both parties are gambling that the moderate voter thinks their party is less of a threat than the other party. I will say whichever party loses needs to clean house because they only have themselves to blame for losing.

[bjf123]

Both parties are catering to their extreme donors and followers and have neglected the moderate vote. I would say both parties are gambling that the moderate voter thinks their party is less of a threat than the other party. I will say whichever party loses needs to clean house because they only have themselves to blame for losing.

Unfortunately, pandering to the extremes is the only way to get through the primaries and become the party backed candidate.


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[paulxu]

Paul, how can you, or any other sensible Democrat, not be utterly infuriated with the (so called) leadership of the Democratic Party?? They can't win an election against Donald Trump.

They can't win an election against DONALD TRUMP!!!!!!

If that hasn't sunk in yet, then it needs to.

They won one already. Hopefully they can do it again, for the good of all concerned.

[paulxu]

A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.


Can you please provide a link? The only thing I can find is something from the Daily Mail UK that had this quote-

"On Thursday, a website called Leading Report pushed that an ABC News whistleblower was 'allegedly' going to come forward and release an affadavit saying the Harris campaign was given sample questions in advance and 'assurances' Trump would be fact-checked in real time, the Beast reported.

A source familiar with the matter told the news site that the 'assurances' claim was also untrue."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847493/abc-denies-debate-collusion-kamala-harris-donald-trump.html

Thanks


"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
- Joseph Goebbels


Open X, search “whistleblower abc”, or similar. You’ll find numerous posts on the story including the partially redacted affidavit.

I should change my XH name to “Google”.

How to promote a hoax, in one easy lesson from right wing media, complete with Marjorie Space Laser adding to the fun.

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/the-abc-whistleblower-story-unsurprisingly-fell-apart-those-who-promoted-it-dont-care/

[Xuperman]

If Trump wins....Vance will follow as POTUS. He is being hit hard by the Leftist MSM propaganda machine, but he has some serious political "chops" and the "Iron Dome" mentality for the negative Dem assault that is going to be relentless.

[XUOWNSUC]

If either Trump or Kamala adopted the Biden ‘20 strategy of hiding in the basement and keeping quiet, they would have sealed the deal by now. However, they both continue to open their mouths and look stupid. It’s mind blowing how easy this election could have been for either side, but they keep taking the hard way.

[xuphan]

If Trump wins....Vance will follow as POTUS. He is being hit hard by the Leftist MSM propaganda machine, but he has some serious political "chops" and the "Iron Dome" mentality for the negative Dem assault that is going to be relentless.

Hopefully the Republican Party can find a John McCain type candidate moving forward after Trump. The lies and deflections from the Trump/Vance campaign hinder the Republican Party agenda.

[GoMuskies]

I guess we'll make this the daily morning update on Presidential odds. Trump seems to be pulling away. He's back close to where he was before Joe Biden was forced from the race.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 58.9% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Polymarket actually predicts a rout, with Trump leading Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona. Him winning more than one of those four would surprise me.

Kamala brings the momentum into Thursday morning 19 days from the election on Betonline, but Trump continues to pick up steam on Polymarket.

Trump -155
Harris +135

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[Xville]

With his continuing cognitive decline, you would really be electing JD Vance.
What are his qualifications ?

Could be wrong but my impression is that if it were Vance vs Kamala, this race wouldn't be close. Vance would have turned down the rhetoric, which Trump for some reason can't do, and would easily be taking the moderate vote.

[xubrew]

Could be wrong but my impression is that if it were Vance vs Kamala, this race wouldn't be close. Vance would have turned down the rhetoric, which Trump for some reason can't do, and would easily be taking the moderate vote.

Nope. Not wrong.

[bjf123]

Anybody watch Bret Baier’s interview with Harris? She never answered and a question and made pretty much every response about Trump. Baier tried to get her to stay on track, but it just wasn’t happening. He had been promised 30 minutes, but she was 15 minutes late and her handlers then cut it short by 6 or 7 minutes.


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[paulxu]

Shoot. She could have taken 5 questions and danced like a drunk to music for 39 minutes.
Missed opportunity.

[Xville]

Shoot. She could have taken 5 questions and danced like a drunk to music for 39 minutes.
Missed opportunity.

Are you like Kamala in that you can’t answer a question without mentioning trump?

[GoMuskies]

I think we're in for two straight weeks of "Trump bad" with not much talk about Kamala because, frankly, that's a better, likely more effective strategy.

Ahem. Granted, it's actually three weeks from when I said this. Yay!

[paulxu]

Are you like Kamala in that you can’t answer a question without mentioning trump?

I was unable to watch it because of where I was. Have seen excerpt posted with commentary.

Did you enjoy his dancing for 39 minutes?
Maybe it's an effective strategy. Let me check with GO, he's got his finger on the pulse.

[GoMuskies]

Let me check with GO, he's got his finger on the pulse.

I've definitely been nailing it with the take quoted above.

[bobbiemcgee]

"She went after trump and certainly went viral "- Brett Brier

[Strange Brew]

I've definitely been nailing it with the take quoted above.

It’s time to change your avatar to GOstradamus. :)

[Xville]

I've definitely been nailing it with the take quoted above.

True dat. To be fair though, Paul has been doing it going on 8 years now

[Strange Brew]

True dat. To be fair though, Paul has been doing it going on 8 years now

Oh, now you come around. He’s not fooled. (Major League)

Disclaimer: In no way am I comparing Trump to Christ.

That said, who you got for hitting a curveball? Trump or Kamala? Current physical condition.

Yes, it is that absurd.

Edit: True dat. :)

[Xuperman]

Trump just did a masterclass performance at the Al Smith dinner! On par with any "stand up" you will ever see. The political comedy was beyond effective for this election.

YouTube it.

[bobbiemcgee]

"1/6 was a day of love"

[Strange Brew]

"1/6 was a day of love"

Doesn’t matter at this point in CO as early voting has already started (and as it has in other States) My ballot is already setting on my kitchen counter and so is yours.

You are still welcome to watch the beauty of X basketball in my house anytime Bobbie.

[GoMuskies]

Kamala brings the momentum into Thursday morning 19 days from the election on Betonline, but Trump continues to pick up steam on Polymarket.

Trump -155
Harris +135

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

We're going the opposite way today. Trump gained a bit at betonline while Harris is sneaking a bit closer on polymarket.

Trump -165
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 60.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[GoMuskies]

By the way, there's a WSJ article today suggesting some folks are making bets on Trump on polymarket to make it look like he has a better chance to win. If so, there's a moneymaking opportunity out there for anyone willing to put some money on Harris. Particularly if you bet the swing states individually.

I grabbed a bit of Harris +145 action today at betonline. Still feels like basically a toss-up to me, so I think there's value at +145.

[xubrew]

We're going the opposite way today. Trump gained a bit at betonline while Harris is sneaking a bit closer on polymarket.

Trump -165
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 60.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

I don't quite understand all this betting stuff and odds stuff. But, if I understand this correctly, what' they're saying is that there is a 39.6% chance that Trump will emphatically and falsely claim that the election was stolen. Is that right?

[GoMuskies]

I don't quite understand all this betting stuff and odds stuff. But, if I understand this correctly, what' they're saying is that there is a 39.6% chance that Trump will emphatically and falsely claim that the election was stolen. Is that right?

I think it's only 39.5%. There's always that 0.1% chance....

[xuwillie]

Trump just did a masterclass performance at the Al Smith dinner! On par with any "stand up" you will ever see. The political comedy was beyond effective for this election.

YouTube it.

Just watched pretty funny, Line of the night...

Trump: "I used to think Democrats were crazy for saying that men have periods. But then I met Tim Walz."

[paulxu]

I think it's only 39.5%. There's always that 0.1% chance....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

[GoMuskies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

Public reps since the international cabal currently operating the US government in the absence of a President is holding me down.

Realistically, I'd say there's about a 10% chance that Trump loses and accepts it gracefully (by Trump standards).

I think there' s a much, much greater chance that Trump wins and immediately starts claiming he can run again in 2028 because all that nonsense about two terms is only for consecutive terms and that since he lost in 2020 it doesn't apply to him.

[xubrew]

Public reps since the international cabal currently operating the US government in the absence of a President is holding me down.

Realistically, I'd say there's about a 10% chance that Trump loses and accepts it gracefully (by Trump standards).

I think there' s a much, much greater chance that Trump wins and immediately starts claiming he can run again in 2028 because all that nonsense about two terms is only for consecutive terms and that since he lost in 2020 it doesn't apply to him.

It will go to the SCOTUS, and they will rule 6-3 in favor of an additional term

[GoMuskies]

It will go to the SCOTUS, and they will rule 6-3 in favor of an additional term

Nah, they'll rule 9-0 against, but Trump and many leftists will be sure SCOTUS will rule 6-3 in his favor.

[UCGRAD4X]

Can anyone explain why Kamala would respond to, "Jesus is Lord" with "You're at the wrong rally"?

[Muskie in dayton]

Jesus has no place at a Democrat rally, or anywhere in Democrat’s society for that matter.

The left hates God; their deity is the government.

[xuphan]

Jesus has no place at a Democrat rally, or anywhere in Democrat’s society for that matter.

The left hates God; their deity is the government.

Jesus has sadly no place at the Democratic or Republican Party event. Neither party upholds true Christian values.

[xubrew]

Can anyone explain why Kamala would respond to, "Jesus is Lord" with "You're at the wrong rally"?

Was the person heckling her? I’m guessing there’s more to it just this.

[bobbiemcgee]

Jesus has sadly no place at the Democratic or Republican Party event. Neither party upholds true Christian values.

trump has no religion except djt .

[UCGRAD4X]

Was the person heckling her? I’m guessing there’s more to it just this.

Nope. And it shouldn't matter. She even started laughing about it and said, "You want the smaller rally down the street."

[xubrew]

Nope. And it shouldn't matter. She even started laughing about it and said, "You want the smaller rally down the street."

Then, I don't know. I didn't see it and I wasn't there. I do know that at any occasion whenever someone is speaking it's almost always disruptive when someone in the audience starts to yell out anything, and that's the reason the person in the audience is typically doing it. 'Audience' comes from the word "Audio' and it means to listen. Perhaps she was reacting to someone that was trying to be disruptive. But, like I said, i wasn't there and didn't see it.

I also can't say I really care all that much. I have my issues with both candidates. LOTS of them. But how they react to people who attend their rallies isn't even something I take note of. I also think that most people pretty much get what they deserve when they try to be disruptive. I mean, I'm not for physically hurting them, but they're shouted down and thrown out then that's totally fine.

[Muskie in dayton]

Then, I don't know. I didn't see it and I wasn't there. I do know that at any occasion whenever someone is speaking it's almost always disruptive when someone in the audience starts to yell out anything, and that's the reason the person in the audience is typically doing it. 'Audience' comes from the word "Audio' and it means to listen. Perhaps she was reacting to someone that was trying to be disruptive. But, like I said, i wasn't there and didn't see it.

I also can't say I really care all that much. I have my issues with both candidates. LOTS of them. But how they react to people who attend their rallies isn't even something I take note of. I also think that most people pretty much get what they deserve when they try to be disruptive. I mean, I'm not for physically hurting them, but they're shouted down and thrown out then that's totally fine.
You are clearly unburdened by what has been.

[GoMuskies]

For better or worse, the Trump McDonald's stunted is the first interesting move either candidate has done in a bit.

[paulxu]

When you close the business and run fake customers through the pick-up line...that is interesting.

[xubrew]

You are clearly unburdened by what has been.

No. Two things that assholes are always doing and need to stop doing (and it's usually the left that does it) are yelling at speakers/presenters because they don't like what they're saying, and yelling at elected officials in restaurants. If someone does this and gets thrown out, then GOOD!!

[GoMuskies]

We're going the opposite way today. Trump gained a bit at betonline while Harris is sneaking a bit closer on polymarket.

Trump -165
Harris +145

Polymarket has Trump with a 60.4% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Harris gained a bit in the betonline odds and Trump gained a bit on Polymarket since our last update.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[xubrew]

Harris gained a bit in the betonline odds and Trump gained a bit on Polymarket since our last update.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

So Trump is going to win.

[Xville]

Never going to happen because of his ego, but the best thing for the country would be for Trump to win and then step down almost immediately. Vance isn't my favorite, but I believe he is competent and the country would be in good hands. out of the four, he is the best option by far. That isn't saying much, but still.

[xubrew]

Never going to happen because of his ego, but the best thing for the country would be for Trump to win and then step down almost immediately. Vance isn't my favorite, but I believe he is competent and the country would be in good hands. out of the four, he is the best option by far. That isn't saying much, but still.

If Trump were to step down before the election, then shut it down! Vance would get about 75% of the vote!

Trump will win. And he'll probably go to bed every night with a hard on thinking about how he can use his position to exact revenge on all his enemies, and that's basically everyone that doesn't view him as being above the law.

[GoMuskies]

So Trump is going to win.

He seems to be in a good spot. Even though paul would prefer that Trump take up running the McDonald's drive through full time.

[xubrew]

He seems to be in a good spot. Even though paul would prefer that Trump take up running the McDonald's drive through full time.

FUCK THAT!! He'd screw up everything!!!

[GoMuskies]

And he'll probably go to bed every night with a hard on

Well, look at that, a bit of stimulus for the American pharmaceutical industry!

[GoMuskies]

That isn't saying much, but still.

Agree with the premise and the fact that it is damning Vance with faint praise.

[STL_XUfan]

He seems to be in a good spot. Even though paul would prefer that Trump take up running the McDonald's drive through full time.
Could he pass McDonald's background check for employment? Not sure if they will hire a convicted felon into a management position.

[94GRAD]

He seems to be in a good spot. Even though paul would prefer that Trump take up running the McDonald's drive through full time.

https://x.com/Danagardens/status/1848363969934712847

[GoMuskies]

Not sure if they will hire a convicted felon into a management position.

I suspect McDonalds hires almost exclusively felons (other than high school kids).

[xubrew]

For better or worse, the Trump McDonald's stunted is the first interesting move either candidate has done in a bit.


When you close the business and run fake customers through the pick-up line...that is interesting.

I think it was smart. Most people love McDonalds (perhaps more than they should). The health junkies that don't typically lean pretty far left and wouldn't vote for him anyway.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why is he talking about Arnold Palmer's dick?

[xubrew]

Why is he talking about Arnold Palmer's dick?

Huh??

Do I even…??

No. I don’t. I don’t want to know.

[X-band '01]

Why is he talking about Arnold Palmer's dick?


Huh??

Do I even…??

No. I don’t. I don’t want to know.

45 is too obsessed about woods and not obsessed enough about his irons and putter.

[xubrew]

The Left is outraged because of how Trump going to McDonalds was all a big stunt. What a complete waste of energy. Lots of things about Donald Trump are outrageous, but not going to McDonalds. Of course it was a stunt!! So f*cking what!!??

[GoMuskies]

Harris gained a bit in the betonline odds and Trump gained a bit on Polymarket since our last update.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 61.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Two weeks to go! Betonline holds steady, while Trump's odds jump a bit in polymarket.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[STL_XUfan]

The Left is outraged because of how Trump going to McDonalds was all a big stunt. What a complete waste of energy. Lots of things about Donald Trump are outrageous, but not going to McDonalds. Of course it was a stunt!! So f*cking what!!??
The people outraged online are the people that are already way too online that know the back story behind the stunt who are arguing with other people that are way too online.

The 30 second version of it to understand how insane it is from every angle.
1. Harris mentions that she worked at McDonalds at the convention.
2. Right wing shit poster finds an old resume of Harris from when she worked as a prosecutor that does not list her time at McDonalds on it (cause why would you when applying for a job as a lawyer).
3. Conspiracy theory starts that she never worked at McDonalds.
4. Trump sets up staged event in a closed McDonalds with fake customers to say he worked at a McDonalds.
5. Pundits go on right wing media to use this event to demand Harris release her w2s from the 1980s to prove employment (https://www.foxnews.com/media/jd-vance-says-weird-vp-harris-wont-prove-mcdonalds-employment-rips-medias-lack-curiosity)
6. Left wing then splinters off into a hypocrisy tailspin of one of the following flavors a) how can the right demand Harris release paystubs from highschool when Trump still hasn't released his tax return, b) why is Trump getting credit for cosplaying as an everyman in a closed store when he never worked a job like that, and c) he has no plan to help minimum wage employees.

The only thing I can guarantee is that no one that has not made up their mind consumed any of this except maybe picture of Trump standing by a fryer.

But this is the media world we live in.

[GoMuskies]

I think there's a 99% chance Harris never worked at McDonalds.

[STL_XUfan]

I think there's a 99% chance Harris never worked at McDonalds.
You have 35,000 posts on a college basketball message board and are closely monitoring the betting market for the election. I think it is fair to say that you may be one of the too online people (I know I am).

[GoMuskies]

Ha, fair, but I'm very "GenX online". I think I'm up to like 8 total social media posts (tweets about my daughter's gymnastics). Sports messageboards were more my era.

[xubrew]

I think there's a 99% chance Harris never worked at McDonalds.

I guess not??

I guess I'm also missing something. It's McDonalds. Why would anyone ever claim to have worked there if they never actually did?? It's McDonalds. I get why people lie about things such as...say...how many people they've slept with, or how many people they haven't selpt with, or whether they've been to prison, or their salaries, or how much money they lose at a casino, or how many celebrities they know, or things like that.

It's McDonalds. I don't know why anyone would lie about working there when they hadn't, nor do I know why anyone would lie about not working there if they had. It's McDonalds. It's so inconsequential that I just don't see why anyone would lie about it. What am I missing?

[paulxu]

I guess not??

I guess I'm also missing something. It's McDonalds. Why would anyone ever claim to have worked there if they never actually did?? It's McDonalds. I get why people lie about things such as...say...how many people they've slept with, or how many people they haven't selpt with, or whether they've been to prison, or their salaries, or how much money they lose at a casino, or how many celebrities they know, or things like that.

It's McDonalds. I don't know why anyone would lie about working there when they hadn't, nor do I know why anyone would lie about not working there if they had. It's McDonalds. It's so inconsequential that I just don't see why anyone would lie about it. What am I missing?

The ease with which voters are mislead.
Just like the big lie that the election was stolen, people were convinced Obama wasn’t born in the US.
(Despite a Honolulu paper announcing his birth when it happened there)

It would be fun if Harris found and published a tax return showing she worked at McDonald’s.
But just like Obama’s actual birth certificate, some people still wouldn’t believe it.

[GoMuskies]

I guess not??

I guess I'm also missing something. It's McDonalds. Why would anyone ever claim to have worked there if they never actually did?? It's McDonalds. I get why people lie about things such as...say...how many people they've slept with, or how many people they haven't selpt with, or whether they've been to prison, or their salaries, or how much money they lose at a casino, or how many celebrities they know, or things like that.

It's McDonalds. I don't know why anyone would lie about working there when they hadn't, nor do I know why anyone would lie about not working there if they had. It's McDonalds. It's so inconsequential that I just don't see why anyone would lie about it. What am I missing?

It doesn't matter even a little bit. It's just one of the fun, silly stories that happens when everyone gets tired of the campaign, there's no one left to persuade, and off we go. There's even a ridiculous news article here from the Telegraph on their investigative work to figure out whether Harris ever worked at a McDonald's. The verdict? Inconclulsive. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/10/21/did-kamala-harris-work-at-mcdonalds-everything-we-know/

What would be the motivation to tell such a dastardly (okay, completely meaningless) lie? To lay claim to being a person of the people and sharing the experience of the low wage worker. I mean, everyone knows Trump never had any such job, but somehow he seems to be becoming the favorite of the people who are in those jobs.

[paulxu]

What would be the motivation to tell such a dastardly (okay, completely meaningless) lie? To lay claim to being a person of the people and sharing the experience of the low wage worker. I mean, everyone knows Trump never had any such job, but somehow he seems to be becoming the favorite of the people who are in those jobs.

I think he got the idea from a former dictator type, who also closed off the location for a photo shoot:

https://x.com/padresj/status/1848639872413642842

[GoMuskies]

I think he got the idea from a former dictator type, who also closed off the location for a photo shoot:

https://x.com/padresj/status/1848639872413642842

LOL. Now THAT is an impressive stretch!

[xuwillie]

LOL. Now THAT is an impressive stretch!

Holy hell. Why I don't look at Paul's posts much.. Dude is a mess

[Smails]

LOL. Now THAT is an impressive stretch!

It's high comedy at this point. I think we'll see a Genghis Khan comparison soon....

[paulxu]

LOL. Now THAT is an impressive stretch!

Hey! It was a good Jesuit that brought it up. Seems on point. Close off a business, fake a few minutes working, call yourself the man of the people.
You know it's effective from the numbers who bought into the shtick.

[GoMuskies]

The Hill: What if Joe Biden was the Better Candidate All Along

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4941734-biden-harris-woodward-presidential-election/

[noteggs]

Picture just goes to show ALL politicians have been pandering to their base for nearly a century. Also not new this time of year, democrats labeling pubs as racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and fascist dictators.

[noteggs]

From Go’s shared article. Woodward - “that Biden’s obvious decline was physical and not mental.” Interesting take Bob.

[STL_XUfan]

The Hill: What if Joe Biden was the Better Candidate All Along

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4941734-biden-harris-woodward-presidential-election/
The only thing that matters in a national race is that you do not look bad on TV. Biden's age made him bad on TV. It doesn't matter if his decline, as Woodward claims, was physical and not mental, voters will not forgive looking bad on TV.

[xubrew]

Trump is undeniably very good at one thing. He can get people he has absolutely nothing in common with, and doesn't care about at all except when they are cheering for him at a rally, to look at him and think "YES!! THIS IS OUR GUY!!" It's crazy how a guy who literally began his political career by descending down a golden escalator to announce his candidacy, and who probably doesn't even like most of his base, and who would never want to actual spend time with any of them outside of having them cheer for him at a rally, could come across to so many people and get them to think "THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS ME!!"

But, he can do it. He's better at it than almost anyone I've ever seen in my lifetime. It's probably the single biggest reason as to why he'll win the election. And, if somehow he doesn't, he'll still claim that he won, his followers will believe him, and some of them will go so far as to get arrested "for him." AGAIN!

It's actually quite remarkable.

[Strange Brew]

From Go’s shared article. Woodward - “that Biden’s obvious decline was physical and not mental.” Interesting take Bob.

Who is this Woodward person? :)

[GoMuskies]

It seems Trump is going on the Joe Rogan podcast on Friday.

[Xuperman]

I think there's a 99% chance Harris never worked at McDonalds.

Because she refuses to tell us which McDonald's.

[xukeith]

It seems Trump is going on the Joe Rogan podcast on Friday.

Maybe Rogan will get Trump to take a pot hit or 2.

[paulxu]

It's high comedy at this point. I think we'll see a Genghis Khan comparison soon....

More high comedy. A retired, 4 star Marine General, who lost his son in combat and worked as his Chief of Staff and Homeland Security head, has said he's a fascist.

Is that close enough for you, for high comedy?

[GoMuskies]

Two weeks to go! Betonline holds steady, while Trump's odds jump a bit in polymarket.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Trump gains a bit on betonline. I think it's time to get a bit of that Harris +150 money, because I see a rally in her future. Polymarket is unchanged from yesterday.

Trump -175
Harris +150

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[GoMuskies]

Maybe Rogan will get Trump to take a pot hit or 2.

Unfortunately, Trump is a teetotaler. paul has posted many links over the years in an attempt to discredit Trump, but really Trump's refusal to drink God's beautiful gifts of beer and bourbon is the only reason one needs not to trust the guy.

[xuwillie]

I know the term "election deniers" gets folks all riled up around here But whats going on in Maricopa county is either total incompetence or straight out cheating. Now saying it will take 10-13 days to get results.

[STL_XUfan]

I know the term "election deniers" gets folks all riled up around here But whats going on in Maricopa county is either total incompetence or straight out cheating. Now saying it will take 10-13 days to get results.
You do understand that is the same for pretty much every county in the country? The results you get on election night are unofficial numbers that have to be verified. Most of the time the margin is wide enough that the absentee, overseas, and provisional ballots are not enough to cause a swing in the result.

[xuwillie]

You do understand that is the same for pretty much every county in the country? The results you get on election night are unofficial numbers that have to be verified. Most of the time the margin is wide enough that the absentee, overseas, and provisional ballots are not enough to cause a swing in the result.

I get that but I’ve never seen or heard of a county saying it may take 13 days.

[94GRAD]

I know the term "election deniers" gets folks all riled up around here But whats going on in Maricopa county is either total incompetence or straight out cheating. Now saying it will take 10-13 days to get results.

You know their Board of Elections, and Recorders Office is headed up by Republicans, right? Or are you alluding that the Republicans are going to cheat?

[xubrew]

You do understand that is the same for pretty much every county in the country? The results you get on election night are unofficial numbers that have to be verified. Most of the time the margin is wide enough that the absentee, overseas, and provisional ballots are not enough to cause a swing in the result.

Why even bother continuing after that?? No! He CLEARLY does not understand!

[paulxu]

You know their Board of Elections, and Recorders Office is headed up by Republicans, right? Or are you alluding that the Republicans are going to cheat?

Leopards eating faces?

[bobbiemcgee]

I know the term "election deniers" gets folks all riled up around here But whats going on in Maricopa county is either total incompetence or straight out cheating. Now saying it will take 10-13 days to get results.

Don't think I would want to vote there. They will have snipers and drones.

[Smails]

More high comedy. A retired, 4 star Marine General, who lost his son in combat and worked as his Chief of Staff and Homeland Security head, has said he's a fascist.

Is that close enough for you, for high comedy?

Well then it must be true, yes? I mean if a disgruntled ex-staffer shared an opinion about his ex-boss we should absolutely believe it to be true. Especially if he had a kid killed in combat....which literally has nothing to do with anything other than you trying to create some level of emotional credibility because he suffered a loss. Shame on you for that part. You're a hoot.

[bobbiemcgee]

He's a 4
star. General. Any sane person would believe him over a person who opens his mouth and lies.

[xuwillie]

You know their Board of Elections, and Recorders Office is headed up by Republicans, right? Or are you alluding that the Republicans are going to cheat?


Then it's incompetence or yeah maybe they are trying to cheat. Either way its not right to wait 13 days, get over the D and R rhetoric for once

[94GRAD]

Then it's incompetence or yeah maybe they are trying to cheat. Either way its not right to wait 13 days, get over the D and R rhetoric for once

Watch the 60 Minutes interview with the Maricopa County head of Elections. It thoroughly explains why it takes so long.

[paulxu]

Well then it must be true, yes? I mean if a disgruntled ex-staffer shared an opinion about his ex-boss we should absolutely believe it to be true. Especially if he had a kid killed in combat....which literally has nothing to do with anything other than you trying to create some level of emotional credibility because he suffered a loss. Shame on you for that part. You're a hoot.

A reasonable person might conclude that 4 decades of distinguished military service to our country, and suffering the incalculable loss of a son in combat, would lend an appropriate air of seriousness to his first hand comments concerning the candidate.

[paulxu]

Liz Cheney
@Liz_Cheney
If your response to Gen John Kelly, gold star father & Trump’s WH chief of staff, confirming that Trump praised Hitler & called members of our military “suckers and losers” is to defend Trump, you need to look in the mirror and realize your dishonor will live forever.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of Cheneys...Josh Hawley's opponent for Missouri Senator shot a reporter. Oopsie!

[Xville]

Go's or excuse me Nostradamus' prediction of a few weeks ago that it would just be "Trump bad" from that point on, keeps ringing true.

Dems are freaking out and trying anything and everything to not lose. Nothing about making the country better or policy, just "I'm gonna give money to everyone, and you can kill babies all you want...oh and yeah Trump bad"

And then there's Obama with his stupid "I dunno how we got so divided" speech...um, take a look in the mirror.

[xubrew]

How do the polls work? I realize this is perhaps an embarrassingly elementary question, but I don't know how they actually work. I have never been polled. At least so far as I know. I used to just take it for granted that they were accurate because they almost always seemed to be. But...who exactly are they polling?

[GoMuskies]

How do the polls work? I realize this is perhaps an embarrassingly elementary question, but I don't know how they actually work. I have never been polled. At least so far as I know. I used to just take it for granted that they were accurate because they almost always seemed to be. But...who exactly are they polling?

In 1988, this would have been an incredibly stupid question, and I'd call you an idiot for asking it. (I was only 12, so I was a bit of a brat still, you know.)

However, in 2024 it really is a good question. Who on earth is answering their phone when "Possible Spam" or "Telemarketer" or "Unknown Caller" comes up. Maybe the kind of people who would enthusiastically vote for either Trump or Harris?

[paulxu]

Dems are freaking out and trying anything and everything to not lose. Nothing about making the country better or policy, just "I'm gonna give money to everyone, and you can kill babies all you want...oh and yeah Trump bad"

I don't know if these guy are Dems or Repubs. I don't know if their concerns are "freaking out."
They do seem concerned about Trump's policies versus Harris' policies. And they are gauging the impact on our economy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/nobel-prize-economists-harris-economic-plan/index.html

[paulxu]

Speaking of "freaking out." Perhaps they think the tariff idea is not so good.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/economy/us-stock-market-dow-falls/index.html

[Xville]

I don't know if these guy are Dems or Repubs. I don't know if their concerns are "freaking out."
They do seem concerned about Trump's policies versus Harris' policies. And they are gauging the impact on our economy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/23/politics/nobel-prize-economists-harris-economic-plan/index.html

You probably don’t think this, since you believe Biden is wonderful. However, when that same group said that Biden’s economic policy was vastly superior, they are immediately discredited imo.

[Xville]

This simply distracts from the fact that a sitting Vice President calls a Press Conference because of a quote no one heard and then compares Trump to Hitler. Obama: I wonder where all this divisiveness came from?

[xuwillie]

This simply distracts from the fact that a sitting Vice President calls a Press Conference because of a quote no one heard and then compares Trump to Hitler. Obama: I wonder where all this divisiveness came from?

Seems like the democratic leaders are losing their absolute minds right now

[Smails]

A reasonable person might conclude that 4 decades of distinguished military service to our country, and suffering the incalculable loss of a son in combat, would lend an appropriate air of seriousness to his first hand comments concerning the candidate.

Seriousness...sure. Gospel? Hell no. At the end of the day it's one man's opinion that isn't really backed up by many facts. Do you lend any credibility to the 200 General and Admirals who recently penned a letter in Trumps favor? How about the current military members who have gone on record criticizing how DEI practices have weakened us as a fighting force and caused massive recruiting shortfalls? Do they get the same level of credibility?

And please stop using the loss of this man's son as some sort of platitude to further your point. The fact that he lost a son in combat has ZERO to do with his ability to assess Trump's capabilities.....literally ZERO. It's just a throw in to create some level of emotional outrage that in no way ties back to the point. It's really sad when people do that. Be better

[noteggs]

Picture just goes to show ALL politicians have been pandering to their base for nearly a century. Also not new this time of year, democrats labeling pubs as racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobic, and fascist dictators.

Wow a hour after my post, Jeffery Goldberg comes out with his article and claims Trump a fascist. Isn’t he the same dude four years ago who came out with an article about suckers and losers? Ironically just before both elections. Hmmm.

Oh yeah in his last Trump Atlantic article, he claims Trump didn’t want to pay the funeral of service women because she was a “f’ing” Mexican. Unfortunately, the private’s family vehemently denied the claim and said Trump was very helpful during the time. Her sister even voted for Trump a day or two ago. Makes you want check authors motives

https://www.newsweek.com/vanessa-guillen-sister-voted-trump-dismisses-allegations-1973386

[paulxu]

Well, since it's a numbers game, how about the 700 intelligence folks who signed a letter warning of Trump's danger.
Maybe you like it better that he wants German type generals.
Do you think he even knows they were complicit in exterminating 6 million Jews, or that they tried to assassinate him?
I doubt it. He's probably happy Fox and Friends would come to his defense of it.

Kelly's son fought and died for the constitution he took an oath to protect and defend. Not for some goofy loyalty oath to a convicted felon.
I admire that. Sorry if that bothers you, or his dad's commitment to the same.

[Muskie in dayton]

I see the Democrats are back to trying to get Trump assassinated. Pathetic.

[bobbiemcgee]

A 3rd? Link?

[Xuperman]

He's a 4
star. General. Any sane person would believe him over a person who opens his mouth and lies.

Engaging in this is a waste of time, considering the the size of the Anti-Trump movement and their stated goal.....keeping him from being re-elected using ANY MEANS necessary.

It's well known that wildly embellished claims about the guy is a top symptom of late stage TDS. Just waiting for Ricin to end up in his Big Mac.

[Xville]

Well, since it's a numbers game, how about the 700 intelligence folks who signed a letter warning of Trump's danger.
Maybe you like it better that he wants German type generals.
Do you think he even knows they were complicit in exterminating 6 million Jews, or that they tried to assassinate him?
I doubt it. He's probably happy Fox and Friends would come to his defense of it.

Kelly's son fought and died for the constitution he took an oath to protect and defend. Not for some goofy loyalty oath to a convicted felon.
I admire that. Sorry if that bothers you, or his dad's commitment to the same.

Let's say hypothetically that he did say that. What do you think he meant by it? Do you think he meant he wishes that he had those generals so he could round everyone up that disagreed with him and exterminate them? What he said was stupid, but that's nothing new in today's politics, both he and the other side say something stupid on a daily basis. However, to then make the jump that Kamala did yesterday is at best dishonest and divisive.

And im sorry but what Kelly's son did has zero bearing on this discussion.

[GoMuskies]

Trump gains a bit on betonline. I think it's time to get a bit of that Harris +150 money, because I see a rally in her future. Polymarket is unchanged from yesterday.

Trump -175
Harris +150

Polymarket has Trump with a 64.1% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Calm before the storm? Feels like something crazy is going to happen in the next dozen days. No idea what or which side it will effect, but it just doesn't feel like we're going to skate into Election Day without some wild twists and turns. On the betting side, Kamala's odds are getting just a touch shorter.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 62.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

[xubrew]

Calm before the storm? Feels like something crazy is going to happen in the next dozen days. No idea what or which side it will effect, but it just doesn't feel like we're going to skate into Election Day without some wild twists and turns. On the betting side, Kamala's odds are getting just a touch shorter.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 62.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

Something just occurred to me, and it is undeniably 1000% true!!

If I bet on Trump to win the election, he will NOT win the election!! I almost never bet, and when I do I never win! I alone have the power to sway this election!!! This is a responsibility I should take VERY seriously!!

[xuwillie]

Something just occurred to me, and it is undeniably 1000% true!!

If I bet on Trump to win the election, he will NOT win the election!! I almost never bet, and when I do I never win! I alone have the power to sway this election!!! This is a responsibility I should take VERY seriously!!

Take betting lines with a grain of salt. Most of my Republican friends are bettors where very little of my democrat friends are. Not sure why that is but you're not going to find many voting for the other candidate which makes the odds swayed to Trump..

[Xville]

Something just occurred to me, and it is undeniably 1000% true!!

If I bet on Trump to win the election, he will NOT win the election!! I almost never bet, and when I do I never win! I alone have the power to sway this election!!! This is a responsibility I should take VERY seriously!!

Sounds like a foolproof plan. The only problem is then Kamala wins and though it’s different, I don’t see it as a better alternative. We are effed either way

[xubrew]

Take betting lines with a grain of salt. Most of my Republican friends are bettors where very little of my democrat friends are. Not sure why that is but you're not going to find many voting for the other candidate which makes the odds swayed to Trump..

It doesn't matter what the betting line is. I can't recall EVER winning a bet! Granted, I can't bet on sports outside of horse racing, and the one time I did bet on a horse race my horse didn't just lose. It got shot!

Whoever I bet on will not win. It's as simple as that!!

[GoMuskies]

It doesn't matter what the betting line is. I can't recall EVER winning a bet! Granted, I can't bet on sports outside of horse racing, and the one time I did bet on a horse race my horse didn't just lose. It got shot!

Whoever I bet on will not win. It's as simple as that!!

I've got a little Harris +145 and +150 money. So do it 'brew! Do it!

[paulxu]

Feels like something crazy is going to happen in the next dozen days.

Either some high school friend of Harris will pop up with a picture of them actually working at a McDonald's 45 years ago, or someone will show up with a picture of Trump with one of the women he's never met :)

Meanwhile, beware the Quarter Pounder if you live in select states.

[xubrew]

Calm before the storm? Feels like something crazy is going to happen in the next dozen days. No idea what or which side it will effect, but it just doesn't feel like we're going to skate into Election Day without some wild twists and turns. On the betting side, Kamala's odds are getting just a touch shorter.

Trump -160
Harris +140

Polymarket has Trump with a 62.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

I'm hearing rumors of hidden cameras at a Quality Inn in Grand Island, Nebraska capturing videos of Kamala Harris in bed with XU Lou! This could be a devastating scandal!!

[bjf123]

Polymarket has Trump with a 62.3% chance to win as of this morning. You can see current odds and the trend here: https://polymarket.com/elections

I know the oddsmakers have Trump winning, but I just don’t see it happening. I hope he does as the lesser of two evils, but I’ll be shocked if he does.


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[Xville]

I'm hearing rumors of hidden cameras at a Quality Inn in Grand Island, Nebraska capturing videos of Kamala Harris in bed with XU Lou! This could be adevastating scandal!!

Lol public reps. Ya know...now that I think about it, we haven't really heard from ole Lou since Walz became the VP candidate. Is Uncle Lou really Uncle Walz?

[Xville]

I know the oddsmakers have Trump winning, but I just don’t see it happening. I hope he does as the lesser of two evils, but I’ll be shocked if he does.


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I'd be very surprised as well if Trump wins, and I have no idea how they are setting betting odds right now lol.

[xuwillie]

I'd be very surprised as well if Trump wins, and I have no idea how they are setting betting odds right now lol.

A lot of people out there think he’s going to win PA and Az.

[STL_XUfan]

Lol public reps. Ya know...now that I think about it, we haven't really heard from ole Lou since Walz became the VP candidate. Is Uncle Lou really Uncle Walz?
Be careful, if you say his name 3 times he will return.

[xubrew]

I'd be very surprised as well if Trump wins, and I have no idea how they are setting betting odds right now lol.

I'd actually be surprised if he didn't win. There are a lot of angry people, and they all seem to like him. The more angry they are, the more they like him. And Trump is very good at making people angry. I know that sounds too cynical to be serious, but I think he's pretty much already won.

[xubrew]

A lot of people out there think he’s going to win PA and Az.

Yup

[GoMuskies]

I'd actually be surprised if he didn't win. There are a lot of angry people, and they all seem to like him. The more angry they are, the more they like him. And Trump is very good at making people angry. I know that sounds too cynical to be serious, but I think he's pretty much already won.

The angriest, most bitter people I know all hate Trump.

[Xville]

The angriest, most bitter people I know all hate Trump.

Yep agreed. Brew, I actually think it’s the far left that are the angriest and most bitter people in the world. Trump’s minions look like rainbows and sunshine compared to that group.

[94GRAD]

The angriest, most bitter people I know all hate Trump.

If I hate both, am I double angry and bitter?

[xubrew]

Yep agreed. Brew, I actually think it’s the far left that are the angriest and most bitter people in the world. Trump’s minions look like rainbows and sunshine compared to that group.

Point taken.

I guess I really wasn't considering them. They're too far out there to really even be in my orbit. They're not just furious, but they seek out things to be furious at.

[Xville]

Point taken.

I guess I really wasn't considering them. They're too far out there to really even be in my orbit. They're not just furious, but they seek out things to be furious at.

You should walk around my neighborhood, there are plenty of them. Do you know how hard Upper middle class white people have it? They’ll tell ya

[GoMuskies]

If I hate both, am I double angry and bitter?

That's called being normal.

[Muskie in dayton]

A 3rd? Link?
If I must explain, just watch any Dem campaign event or their media proxy. He’s “Hitler” “Fascist” and “Dictator” again.

The joy is gone, the Project 2025 ruse failed, so it’s back to violence-inciting rhetoric.

[xuwillie]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/24/polymarket-trump-french-election-bet.html

That's just crazy

[Xuperman]

The future of American Politics IF we get young and anti-establishment.

R-
Vance. Donalds. Gabbard

D-
Moore, Beshear, Shapiro

We certainly can continue to honor Franklin's "Republic" after Trump.

[Xuperman]

Vance just killed his town hall on NewsNation. Polished and very effective.