Politics Thread

[Xuperman]

Liberals:
If we could just jail Trump, get rid of MAGA American citizens, pack the Supreme Court, get rid of the Electoral College, ban voter ID always select our Candidates by committee rather than a free vote in Primaries and censor free speech we could save democracy.

Just repeating what Leftist Democrats preach.

You basically described what "Fundamentally Transform America" means for those who were confused. Just add Government run Healthcare and the Green New Deal.....progressive utopia at last.

[Xuperman]

Scott Jennings may want to check out the "help wanted" ads.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-jennings-slams-his-own-network-allowing-trumps-bloodbath-comment-taken-out-context

That is unheard of on CNN.

[bobbiemcgee]

On the other hand, we have nutjobs still pushing dog and cat eatings while closing down a whole city. The Ohio governor called them garbage.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

On the other hand, we have nutjobs still pushing dog and cat eatings while closing down a whole city. The Ohio governor called them garbage.

Here is what annoys me the most about the dog/cat eating in Springfield, my understanding is that the catalyst for the story ended up being a woman in Canton who was actually arrested for it and has since plead insanity. Springfield authorities have denied it's an issue, law enforcement has denied it's an issue and has no open cases, but there are several alleged stories from locals which are are difficult to verify.

I have issue that Trump/Vance doubled down on the comments about it with all of the above information. Why couldn't they just say it was in Canton or state that the Springfield reports were from locals and not from authorities. Those statements should be vetted for truth first. Instead they push so hard with fiery rhetoric before truth can be determined.

I am not in Springfield so I don't know what the truth is, so I am not making any judgement (this is what adults do). Trump/Vance should do the same, but that reaction doesn't score points on the campaign trail.

Side note, what is going on with this alleged affidavit from an ABC whistleblower? I have read from dubious sources that have shown some kind affidavit with the name redacted. This feels like the kind illegal crap Donald Segretti was known for in the 70s to aid Nixon's re-election. On the other hand it could be true, but with the name redacted it's impossible to vet the thing.

[94GRAD]

Here is what annoys me the most about the dog/cat eating in Springfield, my understanding is that the catalyst for the story ended up being a woman in Canton who was actually arrested for it and has since plead insanity. Springfield authorities have denied it's an issue, law enforcement has denied it's an issue and has no open cases, but there are several alleged stories from locals which are are difficult to verify.

I have issue that Trump/Vance doubled down on the comments about it with all of the above information. Why couldn't they just say it was in Canton or state that the Springfield reports were from locals and not from authorities. Those statements should be vetted for truth first. Instead they push so hard with fiery rhetoric before truth can be determined.

I am not in Springfield so I don't know what the truth is, so I am not making any judgement (this is what adults do). Trump/Vance should do the same, but that reaction doesn't score points on the campaign trail.

Side note, what is going on with this alleged affidavit from an ABC whistleblower? I have read from dubious sources that have shown some kind affidavit with the name redacted. This feels like the kind illegal crap Donald Segretti was known for in the 70s to aid Nixon's re-election. On the other hand it could be true, but with the name redacted it's impossible to vet the thing.

It made me chuckle to think that Trump/Vance would act like adults.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It made me chuckle to think that Trump/Vance would act like adults.

How is that response anything other than childish? If it was so demonstrably true, you would have Springfield residents in the streets protesting and on the news declaring the emergency. They aren't. We do have Trump/Vance doubling and tripling down on the story. Another thing that is childish is the unwillingness to admit they might or are wrong.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well there was the woman who filed a police report about her neighbors eating her cat only to find it hiding in her basement.

[xubrew]

Okay, I really don’t think most of the “normal” Left realized just how batshit crazy the Fringe Left is.

This is why a lot of people vote for Trump even though it’s Trump. They see this, and they think it’s what drives the party, and are (very understandably) just like….NOPE!

An impassioned rant on how cows are being raped to produce milk! GOOD GOD!!

https://x.com/trhlofficial/status/1836765848939180354?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

[GoMuskies]

Cow's milk is delicious.

[xubrew]

Cow's milk is delicious.

Yes. It is.

I'm sorry. When I see Trump I can't help but wonder how TF ANY reasonable person could support this guy. And then I see things like this certifiably insane person going off about the systematic raping of cows. And I'm like "Oh, yeah. That's why."

[GoMuskies]

I'm not too worried about people like the cow rape guy. He doesn't have much influence. I'm way more concerned that grifters like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Kendi are not just tolerated but have actually become powerful, influential people. Matt Walsh is a bit of a knob, but I do want to see his "Am I Racist?" flick. I've heard good things, and apparently he makes those two look foolish (which, frankly, shouldn't be a huge accomplishment, but I understand it's pretty funny).

At the end of the day, each person has to determine which set of grifters they hate less. Unfortunately, that's pretty much what it comes down to.

[STL_XUfan]

The speculation about the pending Mark Robinson story is wild. Man has already said so many crazy things, what could he have possibly done that was so much worse that the Republicans are calling for him to drop out.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I'm not too worried about people like the cow rape guy. He doesn't have much influence. I'm way more concerned that grifters like Robin DiAngelo and Ibram Kendi are not just tolerated but have actually become powerful, influential people. Matt Walsh is a bit of a knob, but I do want to see his "Am I Racist?" flick. I've heard good things, and apparently he makes those two look foolish (which, frankly, shouldn't be a huge accomplishment, but I understand it's pretty funny).

At the end of the day, each person has to determine which set of grifters they hate less. Unfortunately, that's pretty much what it comes down to.

Do you have any issue with the alleged Russian money received by Pool/Johnson/Rubin/Southern/etc? I find it intriguing that Pool at least refers himself as a victim. I wish I could be the victim and receive 100k a month.

[GoMuskies]

I'm only vaguely aware of who those any of those people are.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I read about Robinson's issues. They occurred a decade ago, have not officially been attributed to him unless I missed it, regardless the guy and his bedroom preferences are his business. They might not adhere to Republican family values but I think we can all agree they haven't adhered to those in decades.

[Smails]

I read about Robinson's issues. They occurred a decade ago, have not officially been attributed to him unless I missed it, regardless the guy and his bedroom preferences are his business. They might not adhere to Republican family values but I think we can all agree they haven't adhered to those in decades.

Is there a difference between Republican and Democrat family values? I have friends all over the political spectrum who think family values are a good thing. Republicans are definitely more preachy on these things but I think it's safe to say that both parties believe in family, honesty, fidelity and truth

[GoMuskies]

I think it's safe to say that both parties believe in family, honesty, fidelity and truth

And that none of their politicians practice any of those values!

(Note very slight hyperbole)

[STL_XUfan]

I read about Robinson's issues. They occurred a decade ago, have not officially been attributed to him unless I missed it, regardless the guy and his bedroom preferences are his business. They might not adhere to Republican family values but I think we can all agree they haven't adhered to those in decades.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html

CNN went down the rabbit hole pretty far to all but confirm it was him (Same user name/same email address/stories he posted contained personal information with dates that align with his life).

As far the porn he watches or likes, as long as it isn't child porn or illegal shit, could not care less. The more damning is the statements he wrote, such as calling himself a Black Nazi and that some people deserve to be slaves and that if they brought it back he would buy some. The fact that it was a porn site is just a funny wrinkle.

[noteggs]

Not a big poll guy, but one caught my attention. Top 3 issues were:

1) Economy
2) Immigration
3) voting to oppose their opponent.

Obviously number 3 caught off guard. But after thinking about it, makes sense. The percent was 29%. If I had to guess, that percentage would be higher for people in this thread. Awesome times…

[ArizonaXUGrad]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html

CNN went down the rabbit hole pretty far to all but confirm it was him (Same user name/same email address/stories he posted contained personal information with dates that align with his life).

As far the porn he watches or likes, as long as it isn't child porn or illegal shit, could not care less. The more damning is the statements he wrote, such as calling himself a Black Nazi and that some people deserve to be slaves and that if they brought it back he would buy some. The fact that it was a porn site is just a funny wrinkle.

Me as well on the pron stuff, I bet you could siphon out comments on boards and make a sane person look crazy. I would guess context would be needed on the salves and black nazi stuff. Could be just some bad placed attempt at humor.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lev Parnas " we destroyed America".

[Xville]

Polls are what they are, and still lots of time, but it seems like the excitement over Harris is fading or at least leveling off. Seems that Trump has a lead in a lot of the swing states, which is all that really matters.

[Xuperman]

Wrong thread.

[MADXSTER]

Polls are what they are, and still lots of time, but it seems like the excitement over Harris is fading or at least leveling off. Seems that Trump has a lead in a lot of the swing states, which is all that really matters.

I have stopped trusting polls.

[bobbiemcgee]

The speculation about the pending Mark Robinson story is wild. Man has already said so many crazy things, what could he have possibly done that was so much worse that the Republicans are calling for him to drop out.
Black Nazi is pro hitler, pro slavery and wants to take the vote from women.and yet gets every republican endorsement. Sick.
Edit: Kemp just took his back.

[Xuperman]

Looks like Omaha will remain a possible election decider with it's 1 electoral vote. That scenario is a very good possibility.

[bobbiemcgee]

T sez if you criticize the Supreme Court he will "toss you in jail". That would be about 75% of the country.

[Muskie in dayton]

“…looking holistically at the connection between that and housing, and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state governments to actually engage in planning in a holistic manner”

[Xuperman]

If elected, Harris vows to make White House lawn something Americans can be proud of. Top priority from day one.

[bjf123]

“…looking holistically at the connection between that and housing, and looking holistically at the incentives we in the federal government can create for local and state governments to actually engage in planning in a holistic manner”



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[xuwillie]

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Every time she talks her polling numbers go down. Really unbelievable this is the Democratic Partys best option

[GoMuskies]

Really unbelievable this is the Democratic Partys best option

The Republicans would respectfully request that you hold their beer.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I cannot fathom, honestly, how she is even polling like she is but like posted above I hear Vance and Trump speak and it becomes clear.

[xuwillie]

The Republicans would respectfully request that you hold their beer.

Big difference. The democratic party could have found anyone to take over for Biden since it wasn't there wasn't a vote and they chose her. Republicans where kind of stuck with trump due to his strong base

[Xville]

Big difference. The democratic party could have found anyone to take over for Biden since it wasn't there wasn't a vote and they chose her. Republicans where kind of stuck with trump due to his strong base

So to summarize..the DNC are idiots, and republican voters are idiots. That about sums up where we are as a country.

[GoMuskies]

So to summarize..the DNC are idiots, and republican voters are idiots. That about sums up where we are as a country.

Harsh but fair

[xuwillie]

So to summarize..the DNC are idiots, and republican voters are idiots. That about sums up where we are as a country.

Ha pretty much. But what does it make people who vote for Harris this November?! Everyone is dumb

[Smails]

The Mayor of the largest city in America just got indicted on federal corruption charges. We live in amazing times my friends

[ArizonaXUGrad]

The Mayor of the largest city in America just got indicted on federal corruption charges. We live in amazing times my friends

He gets his day in court, but this is great. I would love to see this expand to reviews of all politicians contributions.

[xuphan]

He gets his day in court, but this is great. I would love to see this expand to reviews of all politicians contributions.

100%!

[Xuperman]

Meanwhile, we are on the verge of electing "Kackles" to navigate our Country through the impending Middle East military blowtorch. Eric Adams and eating pets are insignificant on scale. Our world is about to change.

[X-band '01]

The Mayor of the largest city in America just got indicted on federal corruption charges. We live in amazing times my friends

They're going to have a special wing of Rikers Island in a year.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Meanwhile, we are on the verge of electing "Kackles" to navigate our Country through the impending Middle East military blowtorch. Eric Adams and eating pets are insignificant on scale. Our world is about to change.

Eating pets? If it's so insignificant why even go to it and why double down on it. Then you have Vance go on air and suggest he would make up stories to intentionally draw attention to things. Using your words you have Kackles and liars as your choices.

[bjf123]

Eating pets? If it's so insignificant why even go to it and why double down on it. Then you have Vance go on air and suggest he would make up stories to intentionally draw attention to things. Using your words you have Kackles and liars as your choices.

Don’t forget Bernie Sanders saying that Kamala hasn’t really changed her positions, she’s just saying what she needs to say to win the election, i.e., she’s lying. So sad that these are our choices.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Eating pets? If it's so insignificant why even go to it and why double down on it. Then you have Vance go on air and suggest he would make up stories to intentionally draw attention to things. Using your words you have Kackles and liars as your choices.

Whatever your political perspective, you have to admit Vance has said some ridiculous stuff.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Whatever your political perspective, you have to admit Vance has said some ridiculous stuff.

I traditionally vote Democrat with some exceptions. This is literally the first election that I am honestly undecided. If Biden had stayed I would have voted Trump without issue because Biden was just too old and not in good health. I just can't vote Harris and Trump/Vance are absolutely killing themselves. RFK and his anti-vaccine, vaccines cause autism stuff is just too much to set aside. Desantis was an option, he talked a big crazy game, but never really did anything crazy. Perfectly decent candidate that never got the entrenched Trump voters to budge.

[xuwillie]

Under Biden/Harris, ICE Director just reported 13,000 convicted murderers, 16,000 convicted rapists and 425,000 criminals have entered our country illegally ... Those are some pretty crazy numbers

[xuphan]

I traditionally vote Democrat with some exceptions. This is literally the first election that I am honestly undecided. If Biden had stayed I would have voted Trump without issue because Biden was just too old and not in good health. I just can't vote Harris and Trump/Vance are absolutely killing themselves. RFK and his anti-vaccine, vaccines cause autism stuff is just too much to set aside. Desantis was an option, he talked a big crazy game, but never really did anything crazy. Perfectly decent candidate that never got the entrenched Trump voters to budge.

May I suggest not voting? We can’t change the extreme candidates on both side but maybe low voter turn out can show how fed up the American citizens are with the direction both political parties are heading. Probably not since they are both full of themselves but maybe worth a shot. I wouldn’t put my name behind either political party currently.

[Xville]

May I suggest not voting? We can’t change the extreme candidates on both side but maybe low voter turn out can show how fed up the American citizens are with the direction both political parties are heading. Probably not since they are both full of themselves but maybe worth a shot. I wouldn’t put my name behind either political party currently.

I’ll vote for whoever the third party is in my state, so basically a throwaway which would be no matter who I voted for considering the state I’m in. I’m just not gonna vote for either of these two jackoffs

[Xuperman]

May I suggest not voting? We can’t change the extreme candidates on both side but maybe low voter turn out can show how fed up the American citizens are with the direction both political parties are heading. Probably not since they are both full of themselves but maybe worth a shot. I wouldn’t put my name behind either political party currently.

Do you not see a clear difference in policy? The candidates are abhorrent, but their inevitable course of governing could not be more clear. We have to vote policy NOT person.

[Xuperman]

Under Biden/Harris, ICE Director just reported 13,000 convicted murderers, 16,000 convicted rapists and 425,000 criminals have entered our country illegally ... Those are some pretty crazy numbers

Where are these O'Biden change agents? Why are there no reports of them being relentlessly pursued for deportation?

Trump will find them. Any sane American can support that.

[bjf123]

Do you not see a clear difference in policy? The candidates are abhorrent, but their inevitable course of governing could not be more clear. We have to vote policy NOT person.

I think we’ll President Harris because there will be a shit ton of people casting a vote purely to not vote for Trump, policies be damned.


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[Xuperman]

I think we’ll President Harris because there will be a shit ton of people casting a vote purely to not vote for Trump, policies be damned.


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No doubt. That is the ONLY reason crooked Joe won. TDS is an all consuming National epidemic that will elect a ridiculous embarrassment.

[Strange Brew]

Crazy thought.

The Dems have brought up making the DR, or PR or DC the 51st State. Why not Ireland. Something tells me it wouldn’t be all that bad. And something tells me the the Irish would want me to to fook off. :)

[UCGRAD4X]

Crazy thought.

The Dems have brought up making the DR, or PR or DC the 51st State. Why not Ireland. Something tells me it wouldn’t be all that bad. And something tells me the the Irish would want me to to fook off. :)

except it would be more 'feck-off'

'fook' is more England (Manchester?)

[Strange Brew]

except it would be more 'feck-off'

'fook' is more England (Manchester?)

Dang it. You’re right. :)

[bobbiemcgee]

Dang it. You’re right. :)

Commonly coupled with "eejit".

[Xuperman]

Under Biden/Harris, ICE Director just reported 13,000 convicted murderers, 16,000 convicted rapists and 425,000 criminals have entered our country illegally ... Those are some pretty crazy numbers

It is absolutely stunning how the MSM has buried these official numbers. If responsibly reported on, at ANY LEVEL, it would likely determine this election. This is basic public safety information....and ALL media outlets should be obligated to make sure Americans have this info.

[paulxu]

Except those numbers cover decades, including Trump years.
Some people are gullible enough to believe they just cover the last few years.

[Xville]

Yep, again guys for the people in the back....the border has been an issue for decades, DECADES. Has it been a bit worse during these last 4 years? Sure. However, both sides have been completely asinine about this issue forever. It seems that in general as a country, we have been dealing with the same problems for decades, nothing ever really gets fixed.

[xuwillie]

Yep, again guys for the people in the back....the border has been an issue for decades, DECADES. Has it been a bit worse during these last 4 years? Sure. However, both sides have been completely asinine about this issue forever. It seems that in general as a country, we have been dealing with the same problems for decades, nothing ever really gets fixed.

The issue/difference is Biden and Harris pretty much ran on open borders.. No more walls blah blah blah and voters actually liked it..I vaguely remember back in day Clinton constantly bitching about our border and needing to do a better job, understanding the problem was real but Biden/Harris pretty much put their head in the sand for years

[MADXSTER]

Yep, again guys for the people in the back....the border has been an issue for decades, DECADES. Has it been a bit worse during these last 4 years? Sure. However, both sides have been completely asinine about this issue forever. It seems that in general as a country, we have been dealing with the same problems for decades, nothing ever really gets fixed.

You are correct that it has been going on for years. Trump was actually trying to do something about it. It stopped the moment he went out of office.

[paulxu]

That pretty well explains why that vanguard of border security had the border bill killed.

[bjf123]

That pretty well explains why that vanguard of border security had the border bill killed.

You mean this border bill?

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[Xville]

You mean this border bill?

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To be fair most of that about the bill is at best misleading or just flat out lies.

For example, the 5k to enter the country. That’s misleading. It’s 5k encounters, most of whom would be sent back across the border.


The ones about the foreign aid. Well that happened anyways. So dunno what the point is. 20.2 billion is better than zero.


It was a good bipartisan bill, until trump declared it wasn’t. One of the things I can’t stand about politicians and he’s one of the worst. They never want to fix a problem, they want to put bandaids on things so it’s still a problem that they can campaign and get reelected on.

[paulxu]

Don't be clouding up this thread with facts.

[Xuperman]

Why so many consistently moronic posts? Do you not understand the basics of American Politics?


Don't be clouding up this thread with facts.

Facts? This bill was nothing but eleventh hour political malpractice co-authored by a TDS infected lame duck stooge.

ALL of the House Republicans could see this obvious election "slight of hand". The Biden Harris administration LITERALLY has allowed irreparable damage from day one. To allow these America Killers to campaign on a passed sham border bill would be political suicide.

A vote for Harris is literally political fentanyl.

[Xuperman]

'Ville often runs interference for the crazy leftists here.

Get yourself locked in to a consistent opinion on issues that we can understand.

[Xuperman]

So, let's lower the heat and try to get some honest dialogue.

Can anyone here post anything in positive support of a Harris POTUS?

I openly acknowledge this is a nearly impossible request!

[Xville]

Why so many consistently moronic posts? Do you not understand the basics of American Politics?



Facts? This bill was nothing but eleventh hour political malpractice co-authored by a TDS infected lame duck stooge.

ALL of the House Republicans could see this obvious election "slight of hand". The Biden Harris administration LITERALLY has allowed irreparable damage from day one. To allow these America Killers to campaign on a passed sham border bill would be political suicide.

A vote for Harris is literally political fentanyl.

Your knowledge regarding the border bill, like most things, is small. A lot of what was in that bill was what republicans had been asking for, for years, even during the trump administration, and it’s the most stringent border bill that republicans are ever going to get.

[Xville]

You are correct that it has been going on for years. Trump was actually trying to do something about it. It stopped the moment he went out of office.

He was? With what? Finishing a wall that costs an obscene amount of money, and only stops decent people from coming in? Because it sure as hell doesn’t stop criminals and drug mules.

[Xville]

Why so many consistently moronic posts? Do you not understand the basics of American Politics?



Facts? This bill was nothing but eleventh hour political malpractice co-authored by a TDS infected lame duck stooge.

ALL of the House Republicans could see this obvious election "slight of hand". The Biden Harris administration LITERALLY has allowed irreparable damage from day one. To allow these America Killers to campaign on a passed sham border bill would be political suicide.

A vote for Harris is literally political fentanyl.

Love that your answer to everything is tds. I guess a co authored bill by a Republican is just tds. Facts and logic be damned

[Xuperman]

There are millions upon millions of your fellow Americans that strongly believe this Administration is destroying your Country. They believe if Harris is elected the destruction will continue. She must be forced politically to own their immigration disaster. If she, and her party, could campaign on passing that last second bill....Trump would have no chance and the Dems likely control both Houses.

I can't believe that reality is not crystal clear for everyone.

[STL_XUfan]

There are millions upon millions of your fellow Americans that strongly believe this Administration is destroying your Country. They believe if Harris is elected the destruction will continue. She must be forced politically to own their immigration disaster. If she, and her party, could campaign on passing that last second bill....Trump would have no chance and the Dems likely control both Houses.

I can't believe that reality is not crystal clear for everyone.

This perfectly sums up the Republican Party under Trump, party over country. This bill would have helped Americans so we must destroy it because we would prefer campaign on the problem rather than trying to be part of the solution.

[Xville]

There are millions upon millions of your fellow Americans that strongly believe this Administration is destroying your Country. They believe if Harris is elected the destruction will continue. She must be forced politically to own their immigration disaster. If she, and her party, could campaign on passing that last second bill....Trump would have no chance and the Dems likely control both Houses.

I can't believe that reality is not crystal clear for everyone.

Most short sighted view ever. A Republican co authored the bill. Republicans could have said they were the ones that fixed the issue and dems just went along for the ride. Know why trump killed it? Because he literally has nothing else to do or say. His entire platform is immigration, he has no other bullets in the chamber… the entire debate was him mostly talking nonsense on the subject.

[xuwillie]

Most short sighted view ever. A Republican co authored the bill. Republicans could have said they were the ones that fixed the issue and dems just went along for the ride. Know why trump killed it? Because he literally has nothing else to do or say. His entire platform is immigration, he has no other bullets in the chamber… the entire debate was him mostly talking nonsense on the subject.

The bill was def not great, not even close. For one it didn't resolve the status of millions already living in the US. Another issue is the bill didn't discuss the stress putting on all these major cities... they and states (CA) are going flat out broke trying to support all these new citizens.

[Xville]

The bill was def not great, not even close. For one it didn't resolve the status of millions already living in the US. Another issue is the bill didn't discuss the stress putting on all these major cities... they and states (CA) are going flat out broke trying to support all these new citizens.

As I have stated many times, the bill was not perfect, and i don't think anyone was under the illusion that it was. However, it was better than what we have and a step in the right direction.

What really can be done about the people here now? That's a bit of a separate issue---and no Trump's grand plan of just rounding people up and sending them back from where they came from sounds nice, but in reality, that's going to take an obscene amount of money and never going to logistically work.

The dems and pubs have one thing in common, they just throw out bs that sounds good, but in reality would either be crippling from a dollar standpoint or logistically impossible. There are fair too many examples----college tuition wipeout, deporting all illegals, government run free healthcare...the list goes on and on.

[Smails]

This perfectly sums up the Republican Party under Trump, party over country. This bill would have helped Americans so we must destroy it because we would prefer campaign on the problem rather than trying to be part of the solution.

I've got a bridge to sell you if you think 'party over country' is an exclusive Republican issue.

[Xuperman]

That post was so politically ignorant, I am surprised you posted a response.

[paulxu]

This is certainly a guy you want to lead our country. Right on top of a policy question with specific, cogent answers.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1839817819070071073

[GoMuskies]

Massive hurricane damage in the southeast over the weekend, and now Iran is about to attack Israel. It would probably be better if the United States had a living President.

[Xuperman]

Most short sighted view ever. A Republican co authored the bill. Republicans could have said they were the ones that fixed the issue and dems just went along for the ride.

"Short sighted view"? It's the exact opposite.....a widely shared view. Name me ANY House Republican that vocally supported that bill?

It's not the bill....it's the ridiculous timing of obvious political slight of hand. Any Republican that would have voted for this bill, at this time, would no longer have any future in the Party.

[Xville]

"Short sighted view"? It's the exact opposite.....a widely shared view. Name me ANY House Republican that vocally supported that bill?

It's not the bill....it's the ridiculous timing of obvious political slight of hand. Any Republican that would have voted for this bill, at this time, would no longer have any future in the Party.

They didn't have a chance to support it, because their baby daddy said no. As I said, it was a short sighted view, which is not uncommon for Trump.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

They didn't have a chance to support it, because their baby daddy said no. As I said, it was a short sighted view, which is not uncommon for Trump.

It's both sides, pretty sure Booker shut down a vote on a revenge pron bill sponsored by Cruz so Cruz couldn't get a political win to campaign on.

One poster said to vote policy rather than candidate, that would put this at a vote between DEI BS and Project 2025. I am, probably minority, that actually read project 2025 from the Heritage foundation. For me it's a hard pass, but so is the current form of DEI from the far left. It is just overboard. I know you all hate Biden, but a more centrist candidate would be very welcome right about now.

[Xville]

It's both sides, pretty sure Booker shut down a vote on a revenge pron bill sponsored by Cruz so Cruz couldn't get a political win to campaign on.

One poster said to vote policy rather than candidate, that would put this at a vote between DEI BS and Project 2025. I am, probably minority, that actually read project 2025 from the Heritage foundation. For me it's a hard pass, but so is the current form of DEI from the far left. It is just overboard. I know you all hate Biden, but a more centrist candidate would be very welcome right about now.

Yeah that's certainly fair. Both parties are at fault. A centrist candidate would be great but I don't think Biden is that at this point. He probably has some form of dementia and doesn't even know where he is half the time. We've really gone off the rails and getting a centrist thru a primary on either side is going to be extremely difficult moving forward.

[Xuperman]

They didn't have a chance to support it, because their baby daddy said no. As I said, it was a short sighted view, which is not uncommon for Trump.

Are you confused or just ignorant? Killing the bill was absolutely critical and imperative....this is a POTUS political street rumble.

The "BILL" could never pass the House. Do you not understand the political gymnastics in play here?

[Xville]

Are you confused or just ignorant? Killing the bill was absolutely critical and imperative....this is a POTUS political street rumble.

The "BILL" could never pass the House. Do you not understand the political gymnastics in play here?


Yes I understand you just regurgitate everything trump and his cronies say. Doesn’t make it true. I already said what could have been done. Are you stupid or have trouble thinking for yourself?

[STL_XUfan]

Any Republican that would have voted for this bill, at this time, would no longer have any future in the Party.
Any Republican that goes against an edict from Trump no longer has a place in the party. And we wonder how the Republicans find themselves with this shit candidate.

[Xville]

Any Republican that goes against an edict from Trump no longer has a place in the party. And we wonder how the Republicans find themselves with this shit candidate.

Republicans ended up with this shit candidate because the American public is really stupid.

And shit candidates are not exclusive to one party.

Harris can barely read or form a coherent sentence, but apparently she’s really good at sucking dick

[Smails]

Any Republican that goes against an edict from Trump no longer has a place in the party. And we wonder how the Republicans find themselves with this shit candidate.

Patently false first statement. JD Vance was a very vocal critic of Trump and I'd say he has a place in the party. There are loads of other Washington GOP politicians who have criticized and taken on Trump and still have a seat at the table.

We got this shit candidate because that's who the American public picked via the primary process.

[noteggs]

This is what you call government efficiency? Biden/Harris/commerce gave 42 billion (June 2023)to establish high speed internet infrastructure coverage for rural areas.

NC was one of the top 10 recipients in grant money. We just witnessed how well that worked out. Within days, Elon sends his Starlink kits out and gets western NC communications up and running for dead zones. Oh yeah, this was after the government told Elon to pound sand with his system.

[Leghorn]

We got this shit candidate because that's who the American public picked via the primary process.

At least one party did

[paulxu]

Cartel phone app? No wonder he backed out of 60 Minutes interview.

https://x.com/i/status/1841212255213416585

[GoMuskies]

These debate moderators are a couple of scolds who can't hide their seething hatred of Vance. It's almost hilarious.

[GoMuskies]

Walz and Vance are a thousand times better than Harris and Trump. I get that's not a huge compliment, but still. Can the Pubs and Dems make a deal to each ditch their candidate currently on the top of the ticket.

[bjf123]

Walz and Vance are a thousand times better than Harris and Trump. I get that's not a huge compliment, but still. Can the Pubs and Dems make a deal to each ditch their candidate currently on the top of the ticket.

I’d be in favor of this!


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[xuwillie]

I’d be in favor of this!


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Walz is pretty bad though

[bobbiemcgee]

Did Vance say people were leaving MEDICARE to return to private insurance under trump? Don't think so.
"Trump salvaged Obamacare" huh?

[Xuperman]

The contrast of civility is astounding.

It totally makes it clear how Trump has polluted normal political discourse.

[Xville]

Walz and Vance are a thousand times better than Harris and Trump. I get that's not a huge compliment, but still. Can the Pubs and Dems make a deal to each ditch their candidate currently on the top of the ticket.

I second....let's get a vote on the floor

[GoMuskies]

Just under 5 weeks to go, and the Trump side seems to be the one with slight momentum at this point (probably unavoidable to have a bit of a hangover after the initial Harris honeymoon). Betonline literally has this election as a coin flip as of this morning. Both candidates -110 (you can get 50-1 on any other candidate if you'd like to get spicy).

[xubrew]

I wish they would have given both Trump and Kamala a blank map of the Middle East and Asia during the debates and asked them both if they were able to fill it in. I wouldn't be stunned at all if Harris couldn't do it, and I'd actually be stunned if Trump COULD do it. And, it's actually a fair question. If a world leader doesn't even know where in the world the countries are, they shouldn't be elected.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I wish they would have given both Trump and Kamala a blank map of the Middle East and Asia during the debates and asked them both if they were able to fill it in. I wouldn't be stunned at all if Harris couldn't do it, and I'd actually be stunned if Trump COULD do it. And, it's actually a fair question. If a world leader doesn't even know where in the world the countries are, they shouldn't be elected.

Can you? I actually tried on a world map and it's a lot tougher than it seems.

[xubrew]

Can you? I actually tried on a world map and it's a lot tougher than it seems.

Yes, but it's not because I'm an expert on global politics. It's because I'm a huge soccer fan and know where all the countries are within the qualifying confederations.

I'm also not running for president, or for any public office, and I never will.

[bobbiemcgee]

Just under 5 weeks to go, and the Trump side seems to be the one with slight momentum at this point (probably unavoidable to have a bit of a hangover after the initial Harris honeymoon). Betonline literally has this election as a coin flip as of this morning. Both candidates -110 (you can get 50-1 on any other candidate if you'd like to get spicy).
With 5 weeks to go, I find it ridiculous one side won't say who won the last one.

[Xville]

At this point, I don't know what's worse..Trump not admitting he lost, or the other side whining about it.

[X-band '01]

I wish they would have given both Trump and Kamala a blank map of the Middle East and Asia during the debates and asked them both if they were able to fill it in. I wouldn't be stunned at all if Harris couldn't do it, and I'd actually be stunned if Trump COULD do it. And, it's actually a fair question. If a world leader doesn't even know where in the world the countries are, they shouldn't be elected.

If Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego taught me anything as a kid, Asia was easy until the Soviet Union broke up. Identifying all the former states there would be my hardest part.

[Xuperman]

Can someone explain why abortion is such a big issue in this Presidential Election? It's now a State issue and there is no practical way to change that anytime soon. The problem is low information voters believe abortion IS on the ballot.

It's hard to understand why Republicans continue to allow this to get oxygen.

[paulxu]

Because Republican state legislators are busy making it difficult for women to make their own health care decisions.
Therefore, in many states, it IS on the ballot.

[Xville]

Can someone explain why abortion is such a big issue in this Presidential Election? It's now a State issue and there is no practical way to change that anytime soon. The problem is low information voters believe abortion IS on the ballot.

It's hard to understand why Republicans continue to allow this to get oxygen.

It's pretty simple really. If you repeat the lie long enough, people believe it. Democrats have repeated over and over that the Republicans want to take away your rights (this sounds familiar) and insert a federal abortion ban.

People on both sides believe things like this because they are at best uninformed, and more likely just stupid.

[Xville]

Because Republican state legislators are busy making it difficult for women to make their own health care decisions.
Therefore, in many states, it IS on the ballot.

Let's stop with this euphemism and call it what it is. Making it an ok choice to kill unborn babies.

[xuwillie]

Let's stop with this euphemism and call it what it is. Making it an ok choice to kill unborn babies.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj3cE-i27jc

[paulxu]

Let's stop with this euphemism and call it what it is. Making it an ok choice to kill unborn babies.

When you are talking about limiting contraceptives, tracking the menstrual cycles of women, and criminalizing doctors actions, it's much more than that simplistic view.

[Xville]

When you are talking about limiting contraceptives, tracking the menstrual cycles of women, and criminalizing doctors actions, it's much more than that simplistic view.

let's talk about the majority of what it is, killing babies. You can justify it however you want to feel ok about it from a moral standpoint with one offs here and there. However, for the most part, it's about girls having the ability to kill babies.

I mean why don't we just legalize murder completely. It's my body, my choice. If I want to kill someone, my body did it, so that's fine now.

[paulxu]

We've probably beaten this subject to death.
I don't personally favor abortion (think unwanted children can be adopted).
But I don't think it's as black and white as you would like.
For hundreds of years the Church was OK with it , up to quickening. Assume that meant it wasn't a "baby" until that point.
Then one pope changed it, and the culture around it.
Maybe you should talk to Melania.

[Xville]

We've probably beaten this subject to death.
I don't personally favor abortion (think unwanted children can be adopted).
But I don't think it's as black and white as you would like.
For hundreds of years the Church was OK with it , up to quickening. Assume that meant it wasn't a "baby" until that point.
Then one pope changed it, and the culture around it.
Maybe you should talk to Melania.

Why would I care what Melania says about it? And trust me I don't care one way or the other if the Church was ok with it. The church has been fine with boys getting sexually abused for hundreds of years. The church is not my moral code.

I just happen to think murder is wrong, and if you choose to have sex, you deal with the consequences of those actions. And yes I understand incest and rape, thats a point of a percent, and not what we are talking about here.

[STL_XUfan]

Why would I care what Melania says about it? And trust me I don't care one way or the other if the Church was ok with it. The church has been fine with boys getting sexually abused for hundreds of years. The church is not my moral code.

I just happen to think murder is wrong, and if you choose to have sex, you deal with the consequences of those actions. And yes I understand incest and rape, thats a point of a percent, and not what we are talking about here.

It is way more than incest and rape.

What about miscarriage treatment? That is technically an abortion.

What about IVF? Those are fertilized eggs.

The Supreme Court punted the EMTALA case last session, but it is likely to come back as doctors are unsure what care they are permitted to provide pregnant women suffering complications.

[Xuperman]

Guys...let's try to understand why the Republicans are allowing this to be a MAJOR issue in the POTUS election. You would think that every Republican would be making this clear that this is a State issue now.

I mean, Brown is running ads on a loop, about Morino's anti-abortion stance. He has nothing to do with Ohio abortion policy. He's running for US SENATE!!

[Xville]

Guys...let's try to understand why the Republicans are allowing this to be a MAJOR issue in the POTUS election. You would think that every Republican would be making this clear that this is a State issue now.

I mean, Brown is running ads on a loop, about Morino's anti-abortion stance. He has nothing to do with Ohio abortion policy. He's running for US SENATE!!

Already stated, if you repeat a lie over and over, people will believe it. It’s that simple.

[Xville]

It is way more than incest and rape.

What about miscarriage treatment? That is technically an abortion.

What about IVF? Those are fertilized eggs.

The Supreme Court punted the EMTALA case last session, but it is likely to come back as doctors are unsure what care they are permitted to provide pregnant women suffering complications.

So, can we agree that maybe states pass laws for the scenarios that you mentioned above that saves women’s lives, ivf etc.

I’m guessing if that happened, the abortion issue would still be an issue because people still want the ability to murder babies

[Xuperman]

My point is Dems are using their strongest issue to effect our National elections, because most voters do not understand Washington no longer effects abortion rights. Republicans, for some reason, are ALLOWING this deception.

[STL_XUfan]

My point is Dems are using their strongest issue to effect our National elections, because most voters do not understand Washington no longer effects abortion rights. Republicans, for some reason, are ALLOWING this deception.
It remains very much a federal issue that would be subject to federal legislation and federal agency action.

The Comstock Act remains on the books and an anti-choice AG, appointed by the president, could choose to attempt to use that law to prevent the transportation of any medical equipment across state-lines that could be used in an abortion procedure.

The FDA regulates drugs used in abortion procedures. This agency is also under the control of the executive branch and subject to federal legislation.

The federal legislature could also pass a national abortion ban or pass a law codifying Roe. Any hospital that doesn't abide by the law could see their federal funding stripped (which would kill most hospitals).

And then there is always the power to appoint judges who will interpret all of these laws.

[GoMuskies]

The Comstock Act remains on the books and an anti-choice AG, appointed by the president, could choose to attempt to use that law to prevent the transportation of any medical equipment across state-lines that could be used in an abortion procedure.


So it's key to make there there's an anti-life AG, obviously!

[Xville]

It remains very much a federal issue that would be subject to federal legislation and federal agency action.

The Comstock Act remains on the books and an anti-choice AG, appointed by the president, could choose to attempt to use that law to prevent the transportation of any medical equipment across state-lines that could be used in an abortion procedure.

The FDA regulates drugs used in abortion procedures. This agency is also under the control of the executive branch and subject to federal legislation.

The federal legislature could also pass a national abortion ban or pass a law codifying Roe. Any hospital that doesn't abide by the law could see their federal funding stripped (which would kill most hospitals).

And then there is always the power to appoint judges who will interpret all of these laws.

This is the other things politicians like to harp on, fear. This all has little to no chance of ever happening

[Xuperman]

This is the other things politicians like to harp on, fear. This all has little to no chance of ever happening

That was an excellent post by STL.

Those things are at least possible. A National abortion ban is impossible....yet it continues to come up and the Republicans allow it. Just imagine how many voters believe Trump is going to sign a National ban.

[STL_XUfan]

This is the other things politicians like to harp on, fear. This all has little to no chance of ever happening
Both Alito an Thomas raised the Comstock act in the oral arguments in FDA vs. Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2023/22-235_q8l1.pdf. They ended up kicking the case on a standing issue, but they seemed interested in litigating whether the mailing of mifepristone violated that law.

[XU 23]

In my opinion, the 2024 election will only be legitimate if my preferred candidate wins.

[bjf123]

The problem with the abortion issue is the extremes on both sides. You’ve got the far right wanting it banned in all cases without exception. You’ve got the far left wanting it available up to the moment of birth for any reason. I think most people would be in favor of abortion being allowed in cases or rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. I think they’d also be in favor of a ban after viability, or some other period of time unless it’s to save the life of the mother. Of course, neither of those will likely ever happen.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

It's pretty simple really. If you repeat the lie long enough, people believe it. Democrats have repeated over and over that the Republicans want to take away your rights (this sounds familiar) and insert a federal abortion ban.

People on both sides believe things like this because they are at best uninformed, and more likely just stupid.

There literally are states that have tried or passed laws doing exactly that.

My own state currently has it on the ballot. It is a huge issue because many people either have had a medical necessity for it or knows someone who has had a medical necessity for it. When Pub laws are put on the books, doctors will flinch and delay to make sure they aren't breaking them. Delays can and will inevitably cause problems. Abortion should absolutely be legal. The best way to limit elective abortions is to give women hope that having the child is the best choice.

XUBREW, I am exactly the same way. I really only know the parts of the world I have travelled and those that I watch Cup qualifying.

[GoMuskies]

Abortion should absolutely be legal.

Let's just say....opinions differ.

[Xville]

There literally are states that have tried or passed laws doing exactly that.

My own state currently has it on the ballot. It is a huge issue because many people either have had a medical necessity for it or knows someone who has had a medical necessity for it. When Pub laws are put on the books, doctors will flinch and delay to make sure they aren't breaking them. Delays can and will inevitably cause problems. Abortion should absolutely be legal. The best way to limit elective abortions is to give women hope that having the child is the best choice.

XUBREW, I am exactly the same way. I really only know the parts of the world I have travelled and those that I watch Cup qualifying.

your state currently has a federal abortion ban on the ballot? Thats interesting. Your opinion is that abortion should be legal, ok. Good to know you are fine with electively killing babies. your sentence after that is hysterical.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

your state currently has a federal abortion ban on the ballot? Thats interesting. Your opinion is that abortion should be legal, ok. Good to know you are fine with electively killing babies. your sentence after that is hysterical.

I wrote the issue is on the ballot. Which it is, Prop 139 making it a constitutional right to have abortion available. Remember, local Pubs ignited this when they revived the Territorial ban from the late 1800s.

You projected what you wanted to read in my post. It will be a local and national issue as long as they keep appearing in court cases and appearing on ballots in either direction.

[Xuperman]

your state currently has a federal abortion ban on the ballot? Thats interesting. Your opinion is that abortion should be legal, ok. Good to know you are fine with electively killing babies. your sentence after that is hysterical.

Your "prickness" is a real talent. There are very positive programs that convince moms to go full term.....making it possible for moms to see a beating heart ultrasound is key.

The real solution is FREE BIRTH CONTROL and FREE DAY AFTER PILL. Why is this not the overwhelming solution?

[Xville]

Your "prickness" is a real talent. There are very positive programs that convince moms to go full term.....making it possible for moms to see a beating heart ultrasound is key.

The real solution is FREE BIRTH CONTROL and FREE DAY AFTER PILL. Why is this not the overwhelming solution?

You are really slow my man. I know there are a ton of programs, that’s why I thought Arizona’s comment was hysterical. 1.) that he implied there aren’t those things and 2.) to think it makes much of a difference for the people who want to get abortions. I don’t think the roi for those programs are there, not in today’s society.

[Xville]

I wrote the issue is on the ballot. Which it is, Prop 139 making it a constitutional right to have abortion available. Remember, local Pubs ignited this when they revived the Territorial ban from the late 1800s.

You projected what you wanted to read in my post. It will be a local and national issue as long as they keep appearing in court cases and appearing on ballots in either direction.

I projected? You replied off my quote that was talking about a federal abortion ban.


Yes there are state laws being voted on. We all know that. What dem politicians are lying about is that republicans want a federal ban on abortion. It’s not true, but the dems are using the illusion of it as fear, and thus votes.

[Xuperman]

No, you clearly suggested his optimism in changing the moms decision options were "hysterical".

The only way to reduce the abortion numbers is the obvious preventative solutions I posted. Why is this not being 100% of the discussion?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Your "prickness" is a real talent. There are very positive programs that convince moms to go full term.....making it possible for moms to see a beating heart ultrasound is key.

The real solution is FREE BIRTH CONTROL and FREE DAY AFTER PILL. Why is this not the overwhelming solution?

This solution is brilliant. Abortions may/would assuredly drop, and it falls short of the type of behavior control (proven when shaming language is used regarding sexual behavior) that comes from the extreme right.

To XVILLE, until abortion propositions fall off state ballots and cases stop being heard in appellate courts abortion will be at the forefront of campaigns. Half the voting population are women, this affects a large percentage of them. They are going to have strong opinions because of that.

[Xville]

No, you clearly suggested his optimism in changing the moms decision options were "hysterical".

The only way to reduce the abortion numbers is the obvious preventative solutions I posted. Why is this not being 100% of the discussion?

That would imply that just because they have birth control, they would use it and use it properly.

Also the age old question, who is paying for it and how

[Xuperman]

That would imply that just because they have birth control, they would use it and use it properly.

Also the age old question, who is paying for it and how

The cost would be lower than hospital Tylenol. The Abortion industry is nothing more than an abhorrent cash industry.

[Xville]

The cost would be lower than hospital Tylenol. The Abortion industry is nothing more than an abhorrent cash industry.

Do what? Birth control is something you have to take everyday, every month and it costs way more than Tylenol. Plan b costs way more than Tylenol. Btw how much you think heath plans would cost if Tylenol was “free.” Some health plans cover the cost, but that cost comes from somewhere. Wanna guess who? it also has some not so great side effects. Some women can’t even take it. And there’s that pesky thing of a whole lot of parents not exactly liking the idea of their daughter being on birth control, so how is that overcome?

If it was such an easy solution, it’d be done.

[Xuperman]

Not good V......why the "Cackles style" word salad?

98.7% effective birth control medication is less than $1 per day...must be FREE for anyone that can't afford it.

Day after is $45, but could easily be subsidized to make it FREE.

I was charged $26 for one Tylenol in a recent insurance claim.

[Xuperman]

And the BIGGEST cause of the abortion problem is.....YOUNG GUYS/MEN that can't be responsible. Absolutely no ability/willingness to rubber up.

[xuwillie]

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/

Pretty disgusting if true

[Xuperman]

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/

Pretty disgusting if true

The financial fallout is not currently being realized. If the Congressional study estimate is even close, this O'Biden illegal invasion has a $400-500 BILLION price tag. Can anyone here detail where those dollars will come from?

[xuwillie]

The financial fallout is not currently being realized. If the Congressional study estimate is even close, this O'Biden illegal invasion has a $400-500 BILLION price tag. Can anyone here detail where those dollars will come from?

Apparently fema and other govt run programs

[Xuperman]

Apparently fema and other govt run programs

Just FEMA....through the FEMA budget alone authorized by Mayorkas, is at 1 Billion for the Harris illegal invasion.

[Xville]

Not good V......why the "Cackles style" word salad?

98.7% effective birth control medication is less than $1 per day...must be FREE for anyone that can't afford it.

Day after is $45, but could easily be subsidized to make it FREE.

I was charged $26 for one Tylenol in a recent insurance claim.

That birth control number is wrong but hey let’s say it’s a dollar a day. $365 a year, multiply that by the 100 million women who are menstruating or so. Wanna do the math on that one? I’ll help ya, it’s a shit ton of money. Ok so let’s say half those women have it covered already. So hey only multiply 365 x 50 mil. But you said can’t afford it. Let’s say that’s a million. Only 365 million a year, yay! Wanna bet where that money comes from? Then there’s that pesky thing about women actually taking it correctly and all the other things I mentioned.

Oh yeah and then plan b. 600k abortions a year, multiply that by 45 dollars. 27 mil a year. No biggie. You can pay for it.

[Xville]

https://nypost.com/2024/10/03/us-news/feds-say-theres-no-money-left-to-respond-to-hurricanes-after-fema-used-640-9m-this-year-on-migrants/

Pretty disgusting if true

Gross. I’m sure we will just print more money though. That’s always the answer

[Xuperman]

That is a fairly long post on the cost for birth control. Do the same for the cost of an abortion. Counseling, procedure, aftercare.

The $$$ savings would be astronomical. The vast reduction in baby killing....priceless.

[Xville]

That is a fairly long post on the cost for birth control. Do the same for the cost of an abortion. Counseling, procedure, aftercare.

The $$$ savings would be astronomical. The vast reduction in baby killing....priceless.

Sure. Who is paying for it is the difference. Most medical plans aren't covering the procedure.

[Xville]

I'll add that the response to NC is probably pushing me to vote for Trump. Not that my vote matters considering my state, but enough is enough.

[Smails]

Abortions may/would assuredly drop, and it falls short of the type of behavior control (proven when shaming language is used regarding sexual behavior) that comes from the extreme right.



Behavior control? Shaming language? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Are you speaking about the narrative that young women should practice a certain level of responsibility and self control to keep themselves out of situations where having an abortion is a consideration? Do you have daughters?

[Xville]

Behavior control? Shaming language? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Are you speaking about the narrative that young women should practice a certain level of responsibility and self control to keep themselves out of situations where having an abortion is a consideration? Do you have daughters?

Right. But haven't you heard? Personal responsibility is out the window in today's society. There are plenty of ways to not get pregnant, and if you do, there are plenty of things you can do besides killing your baby. That seems to be lost on a whole lot of people, even on this thread

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess trump needs to punch Melania.

[xuwillie]

Guess trump needs to punch Melania.

You're a weird type of human

[GoMuskies]

This San Jose State volleyball situation is weird. Someone finally played them last night, and they lost in three sets to Colorado State. Utah State, Wyoming, Southern Utah and Boise State have cacelled their games with San Jose State because one of the SJSU players is apparently trans.

[Xuperman]

This San Jose State volleyball situation is weird. Someone finally played them last night, and they lost in three sets to Colorado State. Utah State, Wyoming, Southern Utah and Boise State have cacelled their games with San Jose State because one of the SJSU players is apparently trans.

What is really weird is the politics of this whole issue and the PARTY that supports it. The competition element is one thing, but the locker room issue is much larger concern.

[Xville]

It’s a big conversation among my group of friends. Quite a few of the ladies played high d1 volleyball and they span the political spectrum. They all believe it’s complete bs this person is allowed to continue playing.

I really don’t understand how anyone can support something like this, especially from those who worked so hard for equal rights in women’s sports.

[GoMuskies]

I really don’t understand how anyone can support something like this, especially from those who worked so hard for equal rights in women’s sports.

First, you have to believe that trans women are women, full stop. That there's literally no difference between a trans woman and what they would call as cis woman. Once you've made that leap, then it's completely obvious that you should support the SJSU person being allowed to play and any other position makes you a hateful bigot.

[bobbiemcgee]

You're a weird type of human

What's weird is her coming out pro-choice 30 days before the election.

[Xville]

What's weird is her coming out pro-choice 30 days before the election.

It’s a book, she wants as many people to buy it as possible. This way potentially both sides of the political spectrum will give it a whirl

[BandAid]

one of the SJSU players is apparently trans.

I thought the individual is passing as a woman pretty well...at least going by appearances...


(Not that my opinion on whether a trans person is "passing" matters to the overall issue.)

[Xuperman]

I thought the individual is passing as a woman pretty well...at least going by appearances...


(Not that my opinion on whether a trans person is "passing" matters to the overall issue.)

Not exactly sure what this says about you....but it's an unusual addition to the conversation.

[GoMuskies]

It may be a bit of an unusual addition to the conversation....but not exactly wrong. The individual has been playing for SJSU for the past couple of years without incident from what I understand. So they must have "passed" pretty well.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Behavior control? Shaming language? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Are you speaking about the narrative that young women should practice a certain level of responsibility and self control to keep themselves out of situations where having an abortion is a consideration? Do you have daughters?

She should have kept her legs closed, she is the town bicycle, etc. I hear/read this crap all the time. I have a daughter and I know exactly how I am going to raise her, but when I read and hear that rhetoric it's pure behavior control. Your second comment about "self control" is behavior control. The 60s and 70s already happened, cat is out of the bag. Pre-marital sex is no longer shamed in our world and it hasn't for decades. These are the waters that need to be navigated.

Please don't fool yourself, your question to me whether I have a daughter was absolutely shaming language. You just wanted to post, well you don't have a daughter so you don't know or you can't have an opinion.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe the world needs more shaming.

[Xville]

She should have kept her legs closed, she is the town bicycle, etc. I hear/read this crap all the time. I have a daughter and I know exactly how I am going to raise her, but when I read and hear that rhetoric it's pure behavior control. Your second comment about "self control" is behavior control. The 60s and 70s already happened, cat is out of the bag. Pre-marital sex is no longer shamed in our world and it hasn't for decades. These are the waters that need to be navigated.

Please don't fool yourself, your question to me whether I have a daughter was absolutely shaming language. You just wanted to post, well you don't have a daughter so you don't know or you can't have an opinion.

Contradictory statements. That's interesting.

No waters need to be navigated, people just need to take some responsibilities for their actions. You choose to have sex, you deal with the consequences of those actions. And I don't think dealing with it should be murder. Period.

[BandAid]

Not exactly sure what this says about you....but it's an unusual addition to the conversation.

It was a joke. Because Go said they were "apparently trans." But now I had to explain the joke. Apparently it wasn't that good of a joke...What a shame.

[paulxu]

Trump to his wife: "I'm not going to tell you what to do."

Trump to the rest of the women in America: "I was able to kill Roe v Wade."

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Contradictory statements. That's interesting.

No waters need to be navigated, people just need to take some responsibilities for their actions. You choose to have sex, you deal with the consequences of those actions. And I don't think dealing with it should be murder. Period.

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it and be among the minority who have it. The reality is that you cannot control behavior like that. It has been proven time after time. It's the reason abstinence only loses out to true sex education, it's the reason prohibition failed, human behavior can't be controlled.

If you think "no waters need to be navigated" news flash there is a reason that idiom exists (navigating uncharted waters). We live in a world with things no parent has ever handled. I had friends that were bullied, their bullying stopped only when I was around or when they went home. Now with social media, it continues on the interweb regardless of where you are. I know parents who are clueless to that. They also fail to understand that not only do smart phones give their kids access to the world, but more importantly it gives the world access to your kids. They also don't understand what that access does to dopamine levels in the human brain. How do you think the above could have contributed to the current behavior of every generation went through their youth with this kind media?

Contradictory statements? Tell me the majority shame pre-marital sex with a straight face. It's shamed in your echo chamber, venture out into the world a bit. I exist in both hence why I have read and heard those shaming statements.

[Smails]

She should have kept her legs closed, she is the town bicycle, etc. I hear/read this crap all the time. I have a daughter and I know exactly how I am going to raise her, but when I read and hear that rhetoric it's pure behavior control. Your second comment about "self control" is behavior control. The 60s and 70s already happened, cat is out of the bag. Pre-marital sex is no longer shamed in our world and it hasn't for decades. These are the waters that need to be navigated.

Please don't fool yourself, your question to me whether I have a daughter was absolutely shaming language. You just wanted to post, well you don't have a daughter so you don't know or you can't have an opinion.

Interesting points. If you believe that talking to young women about the pitfalls of having unprotected sex is considered 'behavior control', then absolutely sign me up. I have 2 daughters myself and I'm not dumb enough to think that abstinence is the only way. But I will 100% preach to them that if the options are to A) have unprotected sex and roll the dice or B) exercise some self control and save it for a rainy day. My expectation will be that they choose choice B. I'm also raising them to understand that being on the spectrum of promiscuity represents a lack of self respect.

Now to your second paragraph: I'll start by saying you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, my guy. You aren't qualified to opine about my motivations. You simply don't know me well enough to understand these things. You might want to consider getting over yourself, or better yet do a little fact finding or be inquisitive before saying something so obtuse.

[Xville]

Interesting points. If you believe that talking to young women about the pitfalls of having unprotected sex is considered 'behavior control', then absolutely sign me up. I have 2 daughters myself and I'm not dumb enough to think that abstinence is the only way. But I will 100% preach to them that if the options are to A) have unprotected sex and roll the dice or B) exercise some self control and save it for a rainy day. My expectation will be that they choose choice B. I'm also raising them to understand that being on the spectrum of promiscuity represents a lack of self respect.

Now to your second paragraph: I'll start by saying you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, my guy. You aren't qualified to opine about my motivations. You simply don't know me well enough to understand these things. You might want to consider getting over yourself, or better yet do a little fact finding or be inquisitive before saying something so obtuse.

1000% .

I also have a daughter and am also not dumb enough to believe she is going to wait until marriage, but if she so chooses to make a bad decision (such as sex without protection, and it comes with consequences, then she will face those consequences.

[Xville]

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it and be among the minority who have it. The reality is that you cannot control behavior like that. It has been proven time after time. It's the reason abstinence only loses out to true sex education, it's the reason prohibition failed, human behavior can't be controlled.

If you think "no waters need to be navigated" news flash there is a reason that idiom exists (navigating uncharted waters). We live in a world with things no parent has ever handled. I had friends that were bullied, their bullying stopped only when I was around or when they went home. Now with social media, it continues on the interweb regardless of where you are. I know parents who are clueless to that. They also fail to understand that not only do smart phones give their kids access to the world, but more importantly it gives the world access to your kids. They also don't understand what that access does to dopamine levels in the human brain. How do you think the above could have contributed to the current behavior of every generation went through their youth with this kind media?

Contradictory statements? Tell me the majority shame pre-marital sex with a straight face. It's shamed in your echo chamber, venture out into the world a bit. I exist in both hence why I have read and heard those shaming statements.

Yes contradictory statements. You said you have hear all these shameful statements all the time, but yet in the same breath say that pre-marital sex is no longer shamed in our world. So, which is it?

What "behavior" do you think I'm trying to control? One that if you make a choice, you deal with the consequences of that choice? Yep absolutely! Sign me up.

[xubrew]

MTG thinks the Democrats have a secret weather machine. For some select few people, a lobotomy may be the only answer.

https://newrepublic.com/post/186773/marjorie-taylor-greene-hurricane-helene-conspiracy-weather

[GoMuskies]

Pairs nicely with a space laser since Jews are a significant majority Democrats.

[xubrew]

Something to think about…

I’m willing to bet the chances that everyone reading this knows someone who has had an abortion, and has no idea that person ever had an abortion. The majority of abortions aren’t surgical. It’s most commonly done with the pills. No one ever knows or realizes they were pregnant. Not their parents, siblings, roommates, friends, or the father of the child. And, it makes complete sense to me why someone in that situation would never want to tell anyone.

[paulxu]

Super grifter !

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/10/04/donald-trump-supported-bible-one-of-few-that-meets-ryan-walters-criteria-for-ok-classrooms/75510021007/

[bobbiemcgee]

Contradictory statements. That's interesting.

No waters need to be navigated, people just need to take some responsibilities for their actions. You choose to have sex, you deal with the consequences of those actions. And I don't think dealing with it should be murder. Period.

One could say the same for the fentanyl crsis.Kids need to keep their mouths closed. Ain't happening.

[Xville]

One could say the same for the fentanyl crsis.Kids need to keep their mouths closed. Ain't happening.

Sure the difference is that they are killing themselves for their own poor choices, instead of an innocent baby

[bobbiemcgee]

MTG thinks Dems control,the,weather.

Fox news hosts disappointed port strike settled for now.

[Muskie in dayton]

FEMA is out of money and providing little help. Authorities are blocking private individuals from providing assistance. The flow of vital survival supplies is at a trickle. Total government shitshow.

The response to Helene is now worse than Katrina. No wonder Dick Cheney and Harris are now allied.

This is not okay.

[paulxu]

I don't know quite how crypto currency works, but it seems like a place not to get into it might be this one:

https://gizmodo.com/truth-social-users-are-losing-ridiculous-sums-of-money-to-scams-2000506604

[bobbiemcgee]

FEMA is out of money and providing little help. Authorities are blocking private individuals from providing assistance. The flow of vital survival supplies is at a trickle. Total government shitshow.

The response to Helene is now worse than Katrina. No wonder Dick Cheney and Harris are now allied.

This is not okay.

Lies according to cnn, nbc, abc, newsweek nyt, and washpost. FEMA has 36 billion and 5 billion in flood ins. You fell for the trumpy line. Search fema.com rumors

[bobbiemcgee]

Plus Congress will give the mostly red states any thing they want. And passing on stupid rumors just hurts the people who need aid the most.

[xubrew]

FEMA is out of money and providing little help. Authorities are blocking private individuals from providing assistance. The flow of vital survival supplies is at a trickle. Total government shitshow.

The response to Helene is now worse than Katrina. No wonder Dick Cheney and Harris are now allied.

This is not okay.

It’s also not true.

[94GRAD]

FEMA is out of money and providing little help. Authorities are blocking private individuals from providing assistance. The flow of vital survival supplies is at a trickle. Total government shitshow.

The response to Helene is now worse than Katrina. No wonder Dick Cheney and Harris are now allied.

This is not okay.

It's absolutely mind-boggling the things people will believe because they want it to be true!

[bobbiemcgee]

Sad to say, here comes Milton.

[xubrew]

It's absolutely mind-boggling the things people will believe because they want it to be true!

Yeah, I know, right?

The easiest people to fool are the ones that want to be fooled. I think a big reason we are so divided and there’s so much hate isn’t so much because of the things that are actually happening, but because of how so many people actually seek out something to trigger them. They want something to yell about. They want something they can blame other people for. They want to be offended. They want to be angry. And if the thing that makes them angry or offended doesn’t even turn out to be true, then…oh well!

I’m not just talking about this post. You see it everywhere. Things that used to be innocuous will now start a culture war. So will things that aren’t even true at all. I think that’s really our biggest problem.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, I know, right?

The easiest people to fool are the ones that want to be fooled. I think a big reason we are so divided and there’s so much hate isn’t so much because of the things that are actually happening, but because of how so many people actually seek out something to trigger them. They want something to yell about. They want something they can blame other people for. They want to be offended. They want to be angry. And if the thing that makes them angry or offended doesn’t even turn out to be true, then…oh well!

I’m not just talking about this post. You see it everywhere. Things that used to be innocuous will now start a culture war. So will things that aren’t even true at all. I think that’s really our biggest problem.

This post is 100% correct.

This 8 year hate campaign has become the most vicious attack on any POTUS in the history of our Country.

TDS is a clinical rabid mental illness. This goes so far beyond his abhorrent personality and "mean tweets". Half the Country can not stand the sight of him....literally lose it on the sound of his voice. Only Hillary Clinton comes close in that level of disgust.

Historians will document his Presidency as a positive 4 years. The overwhelming dedication from all Leftist forces to destroy him, will also be well documented.

[Xville]

This post is 100% correct.

This 8 year hate campaign that has become the most vicious attack on any POTUS in the history of our Country.

TDS is a clinical rabid mental illness. This goes so far beyond his abhorrent personality and "mean tweets". Historians will document his Presidency as a positive 4 years. The overwhelming dedication from all Leftist forces to destroy him, will also be well documented.

He wasn’t talking about trump.

[Xuperman]

He wasn’t talking about trump.

Where you been for 8 years? There IS NO political talk that doesn't include Trump.

[xuwillie]

Yeah, I know, right?

The easiest people to fool are the ones that want to be fooled. I think a big reason we are so divided and there’s so much hate isn’t so much because of the things that are actually happening, but because of how so many people actually seek out something to trigger them. They want something to yell about. They want something they can blame other people for. They want to be offended. They want to be angry. And if the thing that makes them angry or offended doesn’t even turn out to be true, then…oh well!

I’m not just talking about this post. You see it everywhere. Things that used to be innocuous will now start a culture war. So will things that aren’t even true at all. I think that’s really our biggest problem.

I don’t know. I’d say there some not so good things happening right now, immigration, inflation and war after war it seems

[Xville]

Where you been for 8 years? There IS NO political talk that doesn't include Trump.

Not sure who is more obsessed with the man, you or Paul. It’s extremely close. Paul loathes him and you’re literally obsessed with how the media portrays him.

[paulxu]

I don’t loathe the man. I think he is unfit for the office, a lot of people who were close to him agree.
I remain amazed he’s the R candidate, and try to imagine how they would react if the D candidate was a convicted felon and sex abuser with open cases for inciting a riot and stealing government secrets. Just try to imagine that.
What I really am is scared shitless for our country if he’s elected.

[Xuperman]

Not sure who is more obsessed with the man, you or Paul. It’s extremely close. Paul loathes him and you’re literally obsessed with how the media portrays him.

Your opinion on things here are WELL documented (very soon 16k worth). Are you serious? "How the media portrays him"? I am totally confounded by everything TRUMP. Do you have an alternative view on "how the media portrays him"?

[GoMuskies]

I get it Paul. I really just don't see how it's better for us if Harris is elected. Quite the conundrum we're in.

[Xuperman]

I don’t loathe the man.

Only Rosie O'Donnell could make that statement MORE HILARIOUS!!!!

[bjf123]

I don’t loathe the man. I think he is unfit for the office, a lot of people who were close to him agree.
I remain amazed he’s the R candidate, and try to imagine how they would react if the D candidate was a convicted felon and sex abuser with open cases for inciting a riot and stealing government secrets. Just try to imagine that.
What I really am is scared shitless for our country if he’s elected.

If the only thing that changed was Trump was a Democrat, there would have been no impeachments and no felony conviction because NY would have never even considered bringing those highly questionable charges. No one would have cared about the sexual abuse claims (see Clinton, President Bill).

I’m scared shitless for the future of the country if Harris is elected.


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[Xuperman]

I get it Paul. I really just don't see how it's better for us if Harris is elected. Quite the conundrum we're in.

Trump is a known commodity. Harris is a known far left California Progressive that is in a full blown deception campaign. To have any confidence in this woman as Commander in Chief is nothing close to "better".

[Xville]

I don’t loathe the man. I think he is unfit for the office, a lot of people who were close to him agree.
I remain amazed he’s the R candidate, and try to imagine how they would react if the D candidate was a convicted felon and sex abuser with open cases for inciting a riot and stealing government secrets. Just try to imagine that.
What I really am is scared shitless for our country if he’s elected.

lol yeah my mistake you don’t loathe the man lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Election denier Tina Peters gets 9 yrs. In Colorado.

[Muskie in dayton]

Lies according to cnn, nbc, abc, newsweek nyt, and washpost. FEMA has 36 billion and 5 billion in flood ins. You fell for the trumpy line. Search fema.com rumors
You cite that fake news says it’s not true? Do your realize how stupid that it? And FEMA? Are you serious? You are an absolute complicity theorist clown.

[Muskie in dayton]

"The work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region."

[Muskie in dayton]

MTG thinks Dems control,the,weather.

Fox news hosts disappointed port strike settled for now.
MTG on the Right = you on the Left

[Muskie in dayton]

It’s also not true.

Are you sure?


https://x.com/redrising11/status/1842542583588766156?s=46


https://x.com/immeme0/status/1842648530436911554?s=46


https://x.com/w_terrence/status/1843032709544689807?s=46

[Muskie in dayton]

It’s also not true.
Are you positive?
https://x.com/dixidarlen/status/1842204178300465442?s=46


https://x.com/brospencer/status/1842215667065303142?s=46


https://x.com/valentinaforusa/status/1842285228917715200?s=46

[Muskie in dayton]

It's absolutely mind-boggling the things people will believe because they want it to be true!

Do you want this to be true?
https://x.com/vigilantfox/status/1843072756222505140?s=46


https://x.com/zenoc_oshits/status/1842321926246523152?s=46


https://x.com/littlemsclarity/status/1841800710125482371?s=46


https://x.com/itsjusta6_/status/1842312067765682546?s=46


https://x.com/brookltnwilliw/status/1842095266767176121?s=46

[Muskie in dayton]

I’d like to proactively remind you assholes before tomorrow that only Islamophobic pricks will remind us of the 10/7 anniversary.

[Xuperman]

There may be some shit burning in Iran within hours.

[xubrew]

Are you sure?


https://x.com/redrising11/status/1842542583588766156?s=46


https://x.com/immeme0/status/1842648530436911554?s=46


https://x.com/w_terrence/status/1843032709544689807?s=46


Are you positive?
https://x.com/dixidarlen/status/1842204178300465442?s=46


https://x.com/brospencer/status/1842215667065303142?s=46


https://x.com/valentinaforusa/status/1842285228917715200?s=46


Do you want this to be true?
https://x.com/vigilantfox/status/1843072756222505140?s=46


https://x.com/zenoc_oshits/status/1842321926246523152?s=46


https://x.com/littlemsclarity/status/1841800710125482371?s=46


https://x.com/itsjusta6_/status/1842312067765682546?s=46


https://x.com/brookltnwilliw/status/1842095266767176121?s=46

Oh wow! I didn't realize you were getting your information from independent accounts on X.com. That's clearly the most reliable source of information out there...

I have family that lives in western North Carolina. The storm was pretty alarming, but yes. I'm CERTAIN FEMA is not out of money, and that help is being provided, and that authorities are not setting up a blockade to keep supplies out.

https://governor.nc.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/05/hurricane-helene-recovery-progresses-western-north-carolina

[Xuperman]

XUBREW,
You seem to be informed. Could you post ANY INFO about what 15 million Biden illegals have been costing American taxpayers?

....Final Jeopardy music....

[paulxu]

It seems the new mark of fealty to the Republican candidate is to NOT agree he lost the 2020 election when asked.

Guess that's to protect a chance for a possible job if he wins, but boy is that weak; real lack of backbone to face reality.

[xubrew]

XUBREW,
You seem to be informed. Could you post ANY INFO about what 15 million Biden illegals have been costing American taxpayers?

....Final Jeopardy music....

You want an actual dollar amount?? I have no idea. This is not a particular topic that I consider myself to be informed on. I'm under the impression that the 15 million number is about right, and prior to this administration it was around 10-12 million. While many illegal immigrants do work and do pay taxes, it still doesn't offset the overall cost. Other than that it's not something that's really been a huge red flag for me. I'm not discounting the importance of it. I'm just saying that for me personally it's not what gives me heartburn. I've got too much heartburn with other issues.

[xubrew]

This post is 100% correct.

This 8 year hate campaign has become the most vicious attack on any POTUS in the history of our Country.

TDS is a clinical rabid mental illness. This goes so far beyond his abhorrent personality and "mean tweets". Half the Country can not stand the sight of him....literally lose it on the sound of his voice. Only Hillary Clinton comes close in that level of disgust.

Historians will document his Presidency as a positive 4 years. The overwhelming dedication from all Leftist forces to destroy him, will also be well documented.


He wasn’t talking about trump.

I was really talking about EVERYONE.

People who yell for a speaker on campus that you had never heard of 24 hours ago be cancelled, fired, and sent home are part of the problem. Just don't go to the presentation.

People who flip through their guides and streaming services looking for old episodes of the Dukes of Hazzard so the can yell about how it shouldn't be on the air anymore are part of the problem. Just don't watch it. Willie Nelson played Uncle Jessie in the movie. I'm sure there are people that want him cancelled. They're part of the problem.

People who watched the Olympics who never really cared about it before, but wanted to see something that they could to yell about are part of the problem. I know several people who, after the opening ceremonies, went on for pages and pages on Facebook about how it was a disgrace and how they were boycotting watching the games. That's both funny and sad. It's funny because them boycotting the Olympics is sort of like me boycotting Bed Bath and Beyond. They weren't going to watch anyway. But, it's sad because it shows just how many people want something to yell about.

Some day soon someone will want to cancel The Naked Gun. The scene where he sings the National Anthem is just too much for them to handle. Nevermind that up until now it's been funny as hell. These people are part of the problem.

Who cares if Colin Kaepernick wants to kneel?? Who REALLY cares?? It's a symbolic protest. So what?? He's not hurting anything. As angry as so many people were, I bet very few of them had ever visited a VA Hospital, and would scream bloody murder if their taxes did go up to provide better benefits and better pay for the armed forces (which they should, but that's a different debate). And, up until 2009 (I think) football teams were never on the field for the National Anthem anyway.

If you're complaining about how a library you've not been to for the last ten years has a book you don't like and therefore needs to be shut down forever, you're part of the problem.

People who refuse to acknowledge that the cops that killed George Floyd did anything wrong are part of the problem.

People who refuse to acknowledge that the officers who killed George Floyd were dealt with very severely and charged with murder are also part of the problem. Their actions were strongly condemned by virtually every law enforcement organization in the country. It's not like anyone covered it up, or endorsed it, or said it was okay.

Yes, I'm talking a lot about Trump, but not just him. I'm talking about EVERYONE. And, while I'm not a fan of Trump, and I think he and his supporters certainly partake in this, I think the Left is worse about this kind of stuff. Why does everyone want to be triggered?? They want to be triggered so badly that they'll even latch on to something that's clearly made up and go off the rails over it.

[Xville]

I was really talking about EVERYONE.

People who yell for a speaker on campus that you had never heard of 24 hours ago be cancelled, fired, and sent home are part of the problem. Just don't go to the presentation.

People who flip through their guides and streaming services looking for old episodes of the Dukes of Hazzard so the can yell about how it shouldn't be on the air anymore are part of the problem. Just don't watch it. Willie Nelson played Uncle Jessie in the movie. I'm sure there are people that want him cancelled. They're part of the problem.

People who watched the Olympics who never really cared about it before, but wanted to see something that they could to yell about are part of the problem. I know several people who, after the opening ceremonies, went on for pages and pages on Facebook about how it was a disgrace and how they were boycotting watching the games. That's both funny and sad. It's funny because them boycotting the Olympics is sort of like me boycotting Bed Bath and Beyond. They weren't going to watch anyway. But, it's sad because it shows just how many people want something to yell about.

Some day soon someone will want to cancel The Naked Gun. The scene where he sings the National Anthem is just too much for them to handle. Nevermind that up until now it's been funny as hell. These people are part of the problem.

Who cares if Colin Kaepernick wants to kneel?? Who REALLY cares?? It's a symbolic protest. So what?? He's not hurting anything. As angry as so many people were, I bet very few of them had ever visited a VA Hospital, and would scream bloody murder if their taxes did go up to provide better benefits and better pay for the armed forces (which they should, but that's a different debate). And, up until 2009 (I think) football teams were never on the field for the National Anthem anyway.

If you're complaining about how a library you've not been to for the last ten years has a book you don't like and therefore needs to be shut down forever, you're part of the problem.

People who refuse to acknowledge that the cops that killed George Floyd did anything wrong are part of the problem.

People who refuse to acknowledge that the officers who killed George Floyd were dealt with very severely and charged with murder are also part of the problem. Their actions were strongly condemned by virtually every law enforcement organization in the country. It's not like anyone covered it up, or endorsed it, or said it was okay.

Yes, I'm talking a lot about Trump, but not just him. I'm talking about EVERYONE. And, while I'm not a fan of Trump, and I think he and his supporters certainly partake in this, I think the Left is worse about this kind of stuff. Why does everyone want to be triggered?? They want to be triggered so badly that they'll even latch on to something that's clearly made up and go off the rails over it.

I think the greatest manipulation of society is that politicians have been able to convince a significant amount of people that they care about them, and that their side is the "right" side while the other is basically satan's disciples.

[xubrew]

I think the greatest manipulation of society is that politicians have been able to convince a significant amount of people that they care about them, and that their side is the "right" side while the other is basically satan's disciples.

I don't disagree.

Having said that, I can also completely understand one side looking at the other and seeing that they want to just not have law enforcement anymore, and saying that Hamas needs our support, and that people need to be completely cancelled because of some picture that was taken more than a quarter-century ago, and thinking "Wow, these people are fucking nuts!"

Also having said that, when one side looks at the other and sees them telling all these lies about how they actually won the election, and that people's pets are being eaten (which is a soundbyte that will go down in history), and all this other stuff, they're gonna also think "Wow, these people are fucking nuts!"

[xuwillie]

Oh wow! I didn't realize you were getting your information from independent accounts on X.com. That's clearly the most reliable source of information out there...

I have family that lives in western North Carolina. The storm was pretty alarming, but yes. I'm CERTAIN FEMA is not out of money, and that help is being provided, and that authorities are not setting up a blockade to keep supplies out.

https://governor.nc.gov/news/press-releases/2024/10/05/hurricane-helene-recovery-progresses-western-north-carolina

But here lies the problem when MSM can't be trusted anymore and why the decisiveness continues to grow. Are you actually saying MSM is reliable?

[xubrew]

But here lies the problem when MSM can't be trusted anymore and why the decisiveness continues to grow. Are you actually saying MSM is reliable?

No.

And when I make citations I try to avoid MSM altogether, and if I do use it I want to make sure it's something that holds up.

But I do find MSM to be more reliable than X.com. I just did a search on X and found a story claiming the CIA is covering up alien abductions. So, while MSM news outlets are owned by entertainment groups, and they produce the news in the same ways and with the same objectives as they produce their other forms of entertainment, and while I agree that's a HUGE problem, they aren't to the point of where they're running stories about the CIA covering up alien abductions and trying to pass that off as factual.

[xuwillie]

No.

And when I make citations I try to avoid MSM altogether, and if I do use it I want to make sure it's something that holds up.

But I do find MSM to be more reliable than X.com. I just did a search on X and found a story claiming the CIA is covering up alien abductions. So, while MSM news outlets are owned by entertainment groups, and they produce the news in the same ways and with the same objectives as they produce their other forms of entertainment, and while I agree that's a HUGE problem, they aren't to the point of where they're running stories about the CIA covering up alien abductions and trying to pass that off as factual.

MSM has a lot of blame on how everyone views the other side. Just amazing to me people still watch and believe the rhetoric

[Xville]

MSM has a lot of blame on how everyone views the other side. Just amazing to me people still watch and believe the rhetoric

I think msm, and social media are the culprits of what has happened to politics and overall society in the last 15 or so years. News was almost always slanted, but not to this extent. Social media just allows for anyone to say anything, and a pretty solid base of people will believe it.

[xubrew]

I think msm, and social media are the culprits of what has happened to politics and overall society in the last 15 or so years. News was almost always slanted, but not to this extent. Social media just allows for anyone to say anything, and a pretty solid base of people will believe it.

I agree. I also understand that for people in their 50s and older, they grew up (and were even grown up) in a time when news media was a legitimate public trust. In their mind, it probably still is. So when they see something absurd either from the MSM or from social media, they don't fully realize that Walter Cronkite is long gone, and what they're seeing now ain't that at all.

I'm not going to say that I don't think younger people don't spend too much time on social media, or that they're never brainwashed by it, but they don't seem to be QUITE as susceptible to it either. Some of them are batshit, but there are seemingly more that know that the ones that are batshit are batshit.

People from our parent's generation all told us that if we watched too much TV we'd rot our brains. I think Facebook and social media did to them what they said too much TV would do to us. They see all this bullshit, and they don't realize that most of it is just bullshit. And while they acknowledge that the MSM is not reliable, they still believe that the MSM that THEY like is. A student once said to me that Facebook is where older people go to yell at each other. I've never heard a better description of Facebook in my life!!

The MSM is no longer a public trust. You have to question all of it. And...people don't. They question what comes from the other side of the isle, but they never question their own side. And, they need to.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Now to your second paragraph: I'll start by saying you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are, my guy. You aren't qualified to opine about my motivations. You simply don't know me well enough to understand these things. You might want to consider getting over yourself, or better yet do a little fact finding or be inquisitive before saying something so obtuse.

Why ask the question in the first place?

Funny how you jump to insults over intelligence in this chatroom. It's a forum to opine and comment over other people's comments. That is literally the point of it.

[bobbiemcgee]

You cite that fake news says it’s not true? Do your realize how stupid that it? And FEMA? Are you serious? You are an absolute complicity theorist clown.
Your "sources" are a bunch of diarrhea from the mouth x right wingers. How about a credible source like FEMA? The Director just said they are good until Dec. Using 2025 allocation and will get a supplemental after that 2 massive storms in 2 weeks Stand up for America not trump. and stop the 3rd grade name calling.

[Xville]

Citing a bunch of links from Twitter and passing them off as fact is some bizarre behavior. I thought Lou and uncle weirdo were gone

[xubrew]

Citing a bunch of links from Twitter and passing them off as fact is some bizarre behavior. I thought Lou and uncle weirdo were gone

It’s the kind of behavior that announces to the world that you’re a complete and total fool…

[paulxu]

Proposed West Virginia resolution language:

That, the State of West Virginia will not recognize any election of the Democrat candidate for President during the 2024 election cycle if the Republican presidential or vice-presidential candidate is assassinated, seriously injured during an assassination attempt, incarcerated, de facto eliminated or barred from the ballot in any states, or is the subject of legal actions that preclude their effective campaigning …

I'd like to think a party wouldn't have a candidate that is a felon, incarcerated, subject to legal actions, etc...guess that's wishful thinking.

[paulxu]

This thread is a real world example of what these scientists found out:


Furthermore, 74 % of all online conflicts are started in just 1 % of communities [5], and 0.1 % of users shared 80 % of fake news [6,7]. Not only does this extreme minority stir discontent, spread misinformation, and spark outrage online, they also bias the meta-perceptions of most users who passively “lurk” online.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352250X24001313

[Smails]

Why ask the question in the first place?

Funny how you jump to insults over intelligence in this chatroom. It's a forum to opine and comment over other people's comments. That is literally the point of it.

Which is exactly what I did in response to your statement. I guess I'm more of a sticks and stones kind of guy than I am perpetually offended. My apologies if my words hurt you.

[xubrew]

Proposed West Virginia resolution language:


I'd like to think a party wouldn't have a candidate that is a felon, incarcerated, subject to legal actions, etc...guess that's wishful thinking.

Now that's more than a little scary...

https://wchstv.com/news/local/house-introduces-resolution-to-not-recognize-an-illegitimate-presidential-election

[xuwillie]

Harris did not look good at all in that 60 min interview. For once MSM doing their job.

[Xville]

Harris did not look good at all in that 60 min interview. For once MSM doing their job.

She is beyond dumb. I've never seen a politician not be able to complete a thought outside of maybe Biden, but the guy has dementia.

[paulxu]

She is beyond dumb. I've never seen a politician not be able to complete a thought outside of maybe Biden, but the guy has dementia.

Have you tried one of the other candidate’s “weaves?”
Also, I guess if you are always lying, fact checking would put you right off going on 60 Minutes.

[Xuperman]

Somewhat true....HOWEVER TRUMP has a ridiculous habit of going batshit 180° on questions asked. You could ask him about gas prices....and in 10 seconds, he would start a tirade on crowd size.

[Xville]

Have you tried one of the other candidate’s “weaves?”
Also, I guess if you are always lying, fact checking would put you right off going on 60 Minutes.

Yes, but at least they complete a thought, unlike her most of the time. She's dumb, its ok to admit it. No one is going to take your liberal card.

[Xuperman]

Yes, but at least they complete a thought, unlike her most of the time. She's dumb, its ok to admit it. No one is going to take your liberal card.

My impression is far more guarded. There is not nearly enough exposure to understand her level of political intelligence. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I am fairly sure that American voters are going to hand her the keys in driving your Country...so buckle up for multiple crashes.

My optimism is that the impending disaster will destroy the Progressive Dem movement.

[xuwillie]

My impression is far more guarded. There is not nearly enough exposure to understand her level of political intelligence. THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I am fairly sure that American voters are going to hand her the keys in driving your Country...so buckle up for multiple crashes.

My optimism is that the impending disaster will destroy the Progressive Dem movement.


https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-election-odds-pennsylvania-1965177

Not so sure about that.

[X-band '01]

And Now For Something Completely Different (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/43-foot-tall-naked-trump-233035701.html)

There is Touchdown Jesus that we used to see going up I-75 towards Dayton, and then there is something that I am not a good enough wordsmith to describe here.

[xubrew]

And Now For Something Completely Different (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/43-foot-tall-naked-trump-233035701.html)

There is Touchdown Jesus that we used to see going up I-75 towards Dayton, and then there is something that I am not a good enough wordsmith to describe here.

Ummmmm………


I’ve

Got

Nothing.

[xubrew]

Harris did not look good at all in that 60 min interview. For once MSM doing their job.

Well Trump reportedly backed out altogether because he didn’t want his interview to be fact checked. The guy really is ten pounds of bullshit in a five pound bag.

[Strange Brew]

It’s also not true.

How’s it going in NC?

Not sure you’re as right as you thought.

[Xville]

How’s it going in NC?

Not sure you’re as right as you thought.

Currently, unless you’re down on the ground, there is no way to tell what is truth or not. I do know that fema doesn’t exactly have the best track record, so I’m not sure if I would just take what they say as gospel.

[paulxu]

I kept reading about how Harris wouldn't sit for interviews.
Yet, she sat for the 60 Minutes one, and the other guy wouldn't; breaking decades of tradition.
Perhaps, like Biden, we should question his fitness for the office at his age.

[xubrew]

How’s it going in NC?

Not sure you’re as right as you thought.

Things are bad. I've got other friends in Florida that are right in the eye of the storm that I wish like hell would have left. I tried to get them to come up and stay with me, but I guess they're as dumb and as stubborn as I am and don't want to leave the places they call home.

Now, pay attention dipshit. And while you're at it stop putting words in my mouth....

I never said things were not bad. What I said was not true (and it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT) was that FEMA was out of money, that no aid was getting in, and that there were blockades set up to keep the aid from coming in. That's what isn't true. I am CERTAIN that isn't true. Anyone that actually believes that is a fucking idiot, and anyone who's trying to convince people that those things are true is a fucking jackass. It's a lie. There are no blockades. If there are blockades, then how the hell did the people who are on twitter live and on location get down there themselves?? The people saying that are really just exploiting an opportunity to take advantage of morons, make people mad, and generate more social media buzz around themselves.

[xubrew]

Things are bad. I've got other friends in Florida that are right in the eye of the storm that I wish like hell would have left. I tried to get them to come up and stay with me, but I guess they're as dumb and as stubborn as I am and don't want to leave the places they call home.

Now, pay attention dipshit. And while you're at it stop putting words in my mouth...

I never said things were not bad. What I said was not true (and it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT) was that FEMA was out of money, that no aid was getting in, and that there were blockades set up to keep the aid from coming in. That's what isn't true. I am CERTAIN that isn't true. Anyone that actually believes that is a fucking idiot, and anyone who's trying to convince people that those things are true is a fucking jackass. It's a lie. There are no blockades. If there are blockades, then how the hell did the people who are on twitter live and on location get down there themselves?? The people saying that are really just exploiting an opportunity to take advantage of morons, make people mad, and generate more social media buzz around themselves.

I guess I'm a little cranky today. Largely because of what I fear is about to happen. I wish the Dems didn't have such complete control of the weather.

[Xville]

I kept reading about how Harris wouldn't sit for interviews.
Yet, she sat for the 60 Minutes one, and the other guy wouldn't; breaking decades of tradition.
Perhaps, like Biden, we should question his fitness for the office at his age.

We already know trump, so who cares? Perhaps we should question Kamala’s iq? Oh she did an interview? Oh man that’s impressive! Let’s give her a trophy.

[Xville]

Things are bad. I've got other friends in Florida that are right in the eye of the storm that I wish like hell would have left. I tried to get them to come up and stay with me, but I guess they're as dumb and as stubborn as I am and don't want to leave the places they call home.

Now, pay attention dipshit. And while you're at it stop putting words in my mouth....

I never said things were not bad. What I said was not true (and it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT) was that FEMA was out of money, that no aid was getting in, and that there were blockades set up to keep the aid from coming in. That's what isn't true. I am CERTAIN that isn't true. Anyone that actually believes that is a fucking idiot, and anyone who's trying to convince people that those things are true is a fucking jackass. It's a lie. There are no blockades. If there are blockades, then how the hell did the people who are on twitter live and on location get down there themselves?? The people saying that are really just exploiting an opportunity to take advantage of morons, make people mad, and generate more social media buzz around themselves.

That’s fair.


Regarding people in Florida, honestly I don’t judge people who want to stay. With that said, they should deal with whatever consequences comes from that decision. Don’t ask for a rescue if that’s what you chose to do.

[paulxu]

We already know trump, so who cares? Perhaps we should question Kamala’s iq? Oh she did an interview? Oh man that’s impressive! Let’s give her a trophy.

I just read over, and over, and over, ad nauseam that she wouldn't sit for interviews, and lately that's all she's doing.
While he ducks them because they might be fact checked?
And Vance bitched that it was against the rules to fact check?
Why are people so gullible to buy into their lies.

[GoMuskies]

Bless your heart, paul.

[Xville]

I just read over, and over, and over, ad nauseam that she wouldn't sit for interviews, and lately that's all she's doing.
While he ducks them because they might be fact checked?
And Vance bitched that it was against the rules to fact check?
Why are people so gullible to buy into their lies.

Great! She's sitting for interviews now with idiots from the VIEW, a sex podcast, and 60 minutes and looking really stupid in the process, which is exactly why she wasn't sitting for interviews in the first place even in her safe space.

Right now if I'm Trump or Vance I wouldn't sit for interviews with those media types either. They "fact-check" with their own lies. So why give them the platform? Did you watch the Vance/Walz debate? The moderators literally fact checked with lies.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump and vance keep pushing the lies about storms. Unbelievable.