Politics Thread

[Xuperman]

what about twinkle toes who dad gave him 600_million?

Ok, but how did that form his current political ideology? I am practically sure that Comrade Kamala is living....and intent on governing based on her learned upbringing.

[Xuperman]

1.) Trust me, no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread.

2.) You’re giving Obama way too much credit. He’s pretty inconsequential imo.

3.) if anyone fundamentally changed America, it was trump. He’s literally redefined an entire party. It used to be a fiscally conservative, limited government, pragmatic party.

Wow!

I am positive that NO ONE, in the WORLD, would refer to Barack Obama as inconsequential! Just do DOOF bro.

Yes. 100%. Trump has changed the political landscape in a BAD way. No matter the outcome of this election..... there will be a positive.

Either Trump is finally an erased decade nightmare OR Harris is elected and the inevitable pain of her administration will destroy the DEMOCRAT party forever.

[Xville]

Wow!

I am positive that NO ONE, in the WORLD, would refer to Barack Obama as inconsequential! Just do DOOF bro.

Yes. 100%. Trump has changed the political landscape in a BAD way. No matter the outcome of this election..... there will be a positive.

Either Trump is finally an erased decade nightmare OR Harris is elected and the inevitable pain of her administration will destroy the DEMOCRAT party forever.

Inconsequential

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-fragile-legacy-of-barack-obama/

The only reason he is ever given any thought or positive outlook is because frankly he’s the first black president. Outside of that, he pretty much did nothing. His “crowning achievement” was a net neutral on healthcare. It had some positives and negatives, in the end it’s just as shitty as it was before—-just different in its shittiness.

[Xuperman]

Inconsequential

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-fragile-legacy-of-barack-obama/

The only reason he is ever given any thought or positive outlook is because frankly he’s the first black president. Outside of that, he pretty much did nothing. His “crowning achievement” was a net neutral on healthcare. It had some positives and negatives, in the end it’s just as shitty as it was before—-just different in its shittiness.

Other than there is this "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine, that has, and is, in full blown reality. I have a very good grasp on what he meant.... and has now accomplished.

Can we not understand that reality?

Obama literally "Transformed" our planet.

[Xuperman]

Straight up. Barack Obama is the most fantastically gifted political orator of ALL TIME.

Debate?

[paulxu]

Not one of those quotes can accurately be said to refute Kelly's words.
Most of them are about the weather decision to not go to the cemetery. (Convenient like bone spurs. He could have taken a car.)
The others couldn't have been by his side 24/7.
I feel very comfortable in saying Kelly did not make up the comments of Trump about suckers and losers.

All you have to do is watch the video of his comments about John McCain to know he doesn't really respect our troops.
They're merely props for his campaign.
If he really was interested in honoring the Afghan fallen, he wouldn't have had his campaign put out a video and photos of the visit, in violation of Army regulations.

I'm amazed at the lengths some will go to defend his conduct. It's clearly offensive to our military.

[paulxu]

Are you sure you would never find a video of A Democrat doing this? Are you totally sure? Positive?

Of course I'm not sure. If a Democrat did it, it would be wrong and a violation of Army regulations.

Is that your defense of Trump violating the regs? That a Democrat "might" have done the same thing? Good grief.

[Xville]

Other than there is this "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine, that has, and is, in full blown reality. I have a very good grasp on what he meant.... and has now accomplished.

Can we not understand that reality?

Obama literally "Transformed" our planet.

Explain with factual information, not hyperbolic theories how you think he has transformed America, and what his role has been. Hint: I’m not asking for tin foil hat political operative right wing blog conspiracy theories.

I'm not a fan of Barack but your obsession with one thing he said has me defending him. It's pretty clear what he meant when he said that, hell it's in his speech.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor."


Here's an interview with O'Reilly years after:

O’Reilly: "Mr. President, why do you feel it's necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?"

Obama: I don't think we have to fundamentally transform the nation.

O’Reilly: But those are your words.

Obama: I think that what we have to do is make sure that here in America, if you work hard, you can get ahead. Bill, you and I benefitted from this incredible country of ours, in part, because there were good jobs out there that paid a good wage, because you had public schools that functioned well, that we could get scholarships if we didn't come from a wealthy family, in order to go to college.

O’Reilly: Right.

Obama: That, you know, if you worked hard, not only did you have a good job, but you also had decent benefits, decent health care...

O’Reilly: They're cutting me off...

Obama: -- and for a lot of folks, we don't have that. We've got to make sure that we're doing everything we can to expand the middle class...

O’Reilly: All right...

Obama: -- and work hard and people who are working hard can get into the middle class.

O’Reilly: I think -- I -- you know, I know you think maybe we haven't been fair, but I think your heart is in the right place.


My assumption is that what gets you so worked up is that Obama was and is a strong proponent to the Alphabet community. I don't think he envisioned it going this far but whatever. While I really don't understand the trans thing and think its effed up that parents just go along with their six year old boy now saying hes a girl or whatever, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. If people want to identify as a tree, or f a racoon, whatever. Not my idea of a good time, but hey you do you.

So, tell me what's so awful about what he said and meant that has you taking one quote and gobbling about it a decade later? Good grief man..take an edible.

[Smails]

I'll try to help you with a simple one. Maybe it will help; maybe not.

If you ask your vice president to not perform his duty to count the electoral college votes, you are stopping the peaceful transfer of power that has occurred in our country for centuries. That's a feature of our democracy. He threatened it, and unleashed a mob to stop the vote.

Perhaps that's all too hard to understand. Perhaps you think they were tourists. If so, I can't help you. So, please don't bother asking again. Thanks.

Oh Paul, bless your heart. Jan 6th was disgusting and those that took part were punished. Trump went on trial for inciting and was acquitted. Just so we're clear...Trump asked Pence to do something and Pence said no and that's the threat to democracy'? It's almost like you don't know how our system of checks and balances in the government work.

The 'threat to democracy' narrative is nothing but a scripted platitude used to whip up a voter base who also don't understand how our government really works. It's been a very effective strategy as witnessed by several educated people that I know actually believing it could happen. If you'd like, I can point you to some fact-based information that can help quell your fears and show how one man cannot do what you fear he is able to do. It might help you sleep better at night if you understand how these things actually work. You've been duped by a narrative...it happens to everyone from time to time and there's really no shame in it.

[paulxu]

Trump went on trial for inciting and was acquitted.

If you're talking about Trump's indictment in the DC court, I don't recall any acquittal. A superseding indictment was recently filed.

As to your perspective on him being a threat to democracy, the lawyers from Reagan and Bush White Houses, respected conservative jurists like Michael Luttig, and a host of people who worked closely with the former president think he's a threat, as I did a long time ago. You can go with the excuse that it's a false narrative; I'll stick with the facts as evidenced throughout the last 10 years. His comments on what he would do in the next four if elected bear this out.

[Xuperman]

Explain with factual information, not hyperbolic theories how you think he has transformed America, and what his role has been. Hint: I’m not asking for tin foil hat political operative right wing blog conspiracy theories.

I'm not a fan of Barack but your obsession with one thing he said has me defending him. It's pretty clear what he meant when he said that, hell it's in his speech.

The facts are everywhere. It's plainly obvious that America is a much different country than it was before Obama. Is it fair to say that some of those significant changes started during his 8 years? The only question is to what extent he personally influenced those changes. It could be argued that the Obama's are the most powerful political figures since Camalot.

I'm going out on a limb here, but there is a very good chance the Obama's have a real problem with how your Country was founded.....for all the obvious reasons. That is the foundation of modern Progressives. So is it just coincidence that certain statues started getting removed and names of buildings and places start to change? Those things were very rare before BHO. When did the beginning of DEI ideology occur? When was the concept of CRT brought into mainstream thinking? What about the concept of "Defund fund Police" and the reality of dangerous "Criminal Justice Reform"? Seems to me around 10-12 years ago.

This discussion can only make sense, if there is an understanding of "Obama influence" in the current Democrat Party. It appears that behind closed doors it is profound. The only Ex-Potus to continue to reside in DC in...forever? Obama, and his hardened acolytes, are the ideological soul of his party and have massive influence in the Biden Presidency and now the Harris campaign.

So, my perception is that the Obama's wanted to use max effort, in implementing a NEW MINDSET/NORMALIZED NARRATIVE that your Country is systematically racist. And that is simply unacceptable and a TRANSFORMATION is a must.

ALOT of your fellow Americans agree....I can totally see their support. But, you asked and I delivered.

BTW. Obama tossed rocket fuel on the fire of the FOSSIL FUEL elimination insanity. So, yeah there is an undeniable "Transformation" that is our everyday reality. The only debate is how we got here and who is complicit.

[Xuperman]

I will also through in....have you noticed that formally fringe "Race Baiters" now have the political moral High Ground? 100% supported by,...something else new to our Country's discourse since Obama....White Fragility.

Indoctrinating my 3 kids into believing that they are inherently racist is really the most toxic and America hating thing possible. UNFORTUNATELY, all 3 are brainwashed.

[94GRAD]

I will also through in....have you noticed that formally fringe "Race Baiters" now have the political moral "High Ground"? 100% supported by,...something else new to our Country's discourse since Obama....White Fragility.

Indoctrinating my 3 kids into believing that they are inherently racist is really the most toxic and America hating thing possible. UNFORTUNATELY, all 3 are brainwashed with this Communist sickness.

Are you going to through it in or throw it in?

[Xuperman]

If you had Fire tablet you would totally understand.

[Xuperman]

Regardless, you opinion is valued here. Care to tap out any thoughts on where we are as a Country?

[Xville]

The facts are everywhere. It's plainly obvious that America is a much different country than it was before Obama. Is it fair to say that some of those significant changes started during his 8 years? The only question is to what extent he personally influenced those changes. It could be argued that the Obama's are the most powerful political figures since Camalot.

I'm going out on a limb here, but there is a very good chance the Obama's have a real problem with how your Country was founded.....for all the obvious reasons. That is the foundation of modern Progressives. So is it just coincidence that certain statues started getting removed and names of buildings and places start to change? Those things were very rare before BHO. When did the beginning of DEI ideology occur? When was the concept of CRT brought into mainstream thinking? What about the concept of "Defund fund Police" and the reality of dangerous "Criminal Justice Reform"? Seems to me around 10-12 years ago.

This discussion can only make sense, if there is an understanding of "Obama influence" in the current Democrat Party. It appears that behind closed doors it is profound. The only Ex-Potus to continue to reside in DC in...forever? Obama, and his hardened acolytes, are the ideological soul of his party and have massive influence in the Biden Presidency and now the Harris campaign.

So, my perception is that the Obama's wanted to use max effort, in implementing a NEW MINDSET/NORMALIZED NARRATIVE that your Country is systematically racist. And that is simply unacceptable and a TRANSFORMATION is a must.

ALOT of your fellow Americans agree....I can totally see their support. But, you asked and I delivered.

BTW. Obama tossed rocket fuel on the fire of the FOSSIL FUEL elimination insanity. So, yeah there is an undeniable "Transformation" that is our everyday reality. The only debate is how we got here and who is complicit.

So no facts just your thoughts and feelings.

Dei was created back in the 60s

CRT was back in the 70s.

I think you just have a problem with being a white male in America today.

[GoMuskies]

D&I are great. Important even. E is poison.

CRT may have been dreamed up in the '70s, but no one outside of 12 knuckleheads at some horrific academic conference knew what it was or cared. Mainstreaming it is bad.

Harris speaking about how dangerous it is that people can just speak to millions via Twitter without regulation is not a great look IMO.

[Xuperman]

So no facts just your thoughts and feelings.

Dei was created back in the 60s

CRT was back in the 70s.

I think you just have a problem with being a white male in America today.

At the very top is my attempt to sincerely address your concern. The FACTS of obvious "Fundamentally Transformation" is undeniable. HOW we got here is where people seem confused.

I am way past any personal concern for who I am as a 63 year old American. HOWEVER, when the sick indoctrination my 3 kids that have been convinced to believe that America is hopelessly systemic racist? It is nothing but a undeniable poison to USA PATRIOTISM.

[Xville]

D&I are great. Important even. E is poison.

CRT may have been dreamed up in the '70s, but no one outside of 12 knuckleheads at some horrific academic conference knew what it was or cared. Mainstreaming it is bad.

Harris speaking about how dangerous it is that people can just speak to millions via Twitter without regulation is not a great look IMO.

Your dei statement I agree with. In the last 15 or so years I saw an increase in dei positions but most companies are now scaling those back or getting rid of them completely because they realize the job isn’t really a job. Except apparently at Xavier who is expanding their department. But anyways.

CRT was “mainstream” back in the 90s, it was “cool” for a couple of years. I rarely hear about it anymore. Most realize it’s complete baloney.

Regardless, tying all of this to Obama is at the least a stretch and at most just disingenuous imo.

The rise of a lot of this is do to the rise of social media imo, and a lot of cops being really effing stupid.

[Xville]

At the very top is my attempt to sincerely address your concern. The FACTS of obvious "Fundamentally Transformation" is undeniable. HOW we got here is where people seem confused.

I am way past any personal concern for who I am as a 63 year old American. HOWEVER, when the sick indoctrination my 3 kids that have been convinced to believe that America is hopelessly systemic racist? It is nothing but a undeniable poison to USA PATRIOTISM.

And you’re blaming all of that on Obama because of a statement he made regarding the economy?

That’s a real stretch. I think it’s way more due to social media, shitty cops and the response against trump.

[Xuperman]

I think most Americans do not realize the culture changing reality of the Obama's TWO TERMS. They are iconic in a way that will literally not be duplicated. If anyone thinks our current reality is void of BHO influence....there is a significant disconnect.

[GoMuskies]

Regardless, tying all of this to Obama is at the least a stretch and at most just disingenuous imo.


Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

[Xuperman]

Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

Go...c'mon. For the worst? That is debatable. But to suggest this political power couple has not significantly shaped our American reality is just ignorant. Your Country has been "Transformed" in 15 years. The only debate is how.

[Xville]

Go...c'mon. For the worst? That is debatable. But to suggest this political power couple has not significantly shaped our American reality is just ignorant.

You have a deep rooted issue with someone based on thoughts and feelings. You really can’t be taken seriously. Done with this stupid discusssion.

[GoMuskies]

I think the Obamas have largely been the driving force behind the Democratic Party for the last 16 years. They're the Democratic version of Trump. So yes, I think they have influence.

[Xville]

Obama was pretty disappointing, but yeah, I don't think he "fundamentally transformed" America for the worse. Unless you believe he's responsible for the rise of Trump (which I do not). Trump has ruined both the left and right. And that STILL doesn't make him being President necessarily worse that Kamala being President.

I really don’t know who is worse at this point. They are both historically awful. I literally can’t believe that every day I wake up and those are still the two choices we have.

[Xuperman]

You have a deep rooted issue with someone based on thoughts and feelings. You really can’t be taken seriously. Done with this stupid discusssion.

Ok..go away.

But the OBAMA'S are easily the most powerful couple in American politics....even global implications. I can not see any other name changing that for a very long time.

[Xuperman]

I think you just have a problem with being a white male in America today.

Or perhaps this was a frequent and passionate discussion in the Obama household.

https://quotefancy.com/quote/867970/Michelle-Obama-Barack-knows-that-we-are-going-to-have-to-make-sacrifices-we-are-going-to

Could be there is a "problem" in there somewhere related to "Transformation".

[Xuperman]

And this is one of my favorite "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM" nuggets.

https://www.politico.com/story/2012/04/uttered-in-2008-still-haunting-obama-in-2012-074892#:~:text=%E2%80%9CIf%20somebody%20wants%20to %20build%20a%20coal-fired%20power%20plant,%20they

Just more to file in the "facts" category.

[noteggs]

For now on, I will only believe those who believe in what I think (sarc).

Critical thought be damned!

[Xuperman]

For now on, I will only believe those who believe in what I think (sarc).

Critical thought be damned!

Webster's updated definition of MSNBC viewers?

[GoMuskies]

Well, at least we know when these two idiot candidates agree on something then it's DEFINITELY a terrible idea. Case in point: both sides opposing the Nippon Steel acquisition of US Steel.

[94GRAD]

Ok..go away.

But the OBAMA'S are easily the most powerful couple in American politics....even global implications. I can not see any other name changing that for a very long time.

The people you really need to be scared of are in the shadows IE Kochs/Soros/etal. They are the ones pulling the strings!!! Look at all the influence they have on the Federal Judges, let alone the Supreme Court.

[bobbiemcgee]

Another day,......another school shooting.

[GoMuskies]

Kochs and Soros are so mid-2010s. And the Koch whose politics you really didn't like has been dead for five years.

[94GRAD]

Kochs and Soros are so mid-2010s. And the Koch whose politics you really didn't like has been dead for five years.

Then what's the guy's name that has bought and paid for Clarence Thomas? That guy

[X-band '01]

You mean Harlan Crow - the unofficial sponsor of the Supreme Court?

[STL_XUfan]

Then what's the guy's name that has bought and paid for Clarence Thomas? That guy

Woah, you cannot suggest a white man bought and paid for a person in 2024. Harlen Crow is simply his emotional support billionaire.

[94GRAD]

You mean Harlan Crow - the unofficial sponsor of the Supreme Court?


Woah, you cannot suggest a white man bought and paid for a person in 2024. Harlen Crow is simply his emotional support billionaire.

Public and private reps to you both!

[Xuperman]

So, what exactly do you guys think one Justice could do for one guy?

[Xuperman]

The people you really need to be scared of are in the shadows IE Kochs/Soros/etal. They are the ones pulling the strings!!! Look at all the influence they have on the Federal Judges, let alone the Supreme Court.

You couldn't be more right. However, Soros and his son have a very different motivation and are literally dangerous. Typically this "Dark money" buys access/influence to achieve favorable policy for political and/or business reasons. The Soros' like to erode American values and create chaos. They are very active and deeply invested in radically subverting our CRIMINAL justice system.

https://www.mrc.org/sorosdocuments

Can we agree that the objective here is far more dangerous than buying a political favor or government contract? Low/no bonds and light sentencing for violent crime is getting people killed.

[GoMuskies]

So, what exactly do you guys think one Justice could do for one guy?

Swaying one vote could be a huge deal. Now, while Thomas taking gifts and travel from Crow certainly looks bad, I don't think anyone seriously believes Thomas changed his views because of gifts from Crow. The two were already ideologically aligned.

But the appearance of impropriety can be just as bad as actual impropriety.

[Xuperman]

Swaying one vote could be a huge deal. Now, while Thomas taking gifts and travel from Crow certainly looks bad, I don't think anyone seriously believes Thomas changed his views because of gifts from Crow. The two were already ideologically aligned.

But the appearance of impropriety can be just as bad as actual impropriety.

Correct on everything. I would only add that a SC Justice is totally unique. How can one individual benefit from one favorable vote when it's uncertain if/when cases are heard? Wouldn't that individual need to influence more than one Justice?

[bjf123]

And yet we’re to believe big tech isn’t biased. Of course, Amazon is now saying this was an error that has been corrected.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1830993086077645164?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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[bobbiemcgee]

Swaying one vote could be a huge deal. Now, while Thomas taking gifts and travel from Crow certainly looks bad, I don't think anyone seriously believes Thomas changed his views because of gifts from Crow. The two were already ideologically aligned.

But the appearance of impropriety can be just as bad as actual impropriety.

True and 2 million other federal workers would have been promptly canned.

[Xville]

Is it just me or is it kind of hilarious that waltz own family doesn’t even like him?

First rfk now walz

[bjf123]

Is it just me or is it kind of hilarious that waltz own family doesn’t even like him?

First rfk now walz

Trump needs to start an ad campaign highlighting this. You know the MSM will not mention it at all.


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[paulxu]

Of course right wing influencers, sometimes noted in this thread, turn out to be paid through a Tennessee company, set up by Russians, to influence our elections for Trump and the Republicans.

https://fox59.com/news/politics/ap-politics/ap-right-wing-influencers-were-duped-to-work-for-covert-russian-influence-operation-us-says/

[Smails]

As to your perspective on him being a threat to democracy, the lawyers from Reagan and Bush White Houses, respected conservative jurists like Michael Luttig, and a host of people who worked closely with the former president think he's a threat, as I did a long time ago. You can go with the excuse that it's a false narrative; I'll stick with the facts as evidenced throughout the last 10 years. His comments on what he would do in the next four if elected bear this out.

You're talking about facts? There are no facts that say he's a threat to our democracy..it's ALL conjecture and what if's.

It's very telling how you refuse to address the checks and balances we have in place and continually refer back to the opinions of journalists and ex-staffers.
Personally, I'll rely on the framework of our government, our laws, and centuries of history that will show that one man cannot threaten our system of governance. You can feel free to continue to be frightened by Trump's rhetoric, while disregarding the measures we have had in place for centuries that have prevented what you actually fear.

[paulxu]

I see these checks and balances crumbling, with a handpicked supreme court granting the executive far more power than envisioned by the framers.
And when a wanna be dictator gets them, we are in danger.
I'm just a retired citizen with these concerns. Why should you worry about my concerns.
You should worry about the people with far more knowledge of the danger he possesses, and when they say he's a threat, perhaps you should listen.
Many of them have no future in politics, or gain anything from their position. They care about our country. So do I.

[GoMuskies]

Loper Bright was the single biggest reduction in executive branch power in our lifetimes.

[Strange Brew]

Loper Bright was the single biggest reduction in executive branch power in our lifetimes.

You are 100% correct.

It may have bounded the Executive Branch in ways we haven’t seen in generations.

Again, not a lawyer however I am a literate person (which may surprise people).

[Leghorn]

I see these checks and balances crumbling, with a handpicked supreme court granting the executive far more power than envisioned by the framers.
And when a wanna be dictator gets them, we are in danger.
I'm just a retired citizen with these concerns. Why should you worry about my concerns.
You should worry about the people with far more knowledge of the danger he possesses, and when they say he's a threat, perhaps you should listen.
Many of them have no future in politics, or gain anything from their position. They care about our country. So do I.

Serious? Harris has never gotten a vote for president, but now she's the front runner.

[paulxu]

I think it's possible that someday we'll learn Biden had a TIA right before the debate. At any rate, in that debate he didn't seem like someone up to the challenge of being the president for the next four years.
I'm starting to think Trump has also slipped with age, and faces the same challenge.
He spoke at the Economic Club of New York, and was asked a policy question. His answer would indicate he's not up to it either.


"If you win in November, can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable? And if so, What specific piece of legislation will you advance?" And Trump replied (good luck getting through it)...

"Well, I would do that and we're sitting down, you know, I was, somebody, we had Sen. Marco Rubio and my daughter, Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about that, because the child care is child care. It's something, you have to have it in this country. You have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not use to, but they'll get use to it very quickly.

"And it's not gonna stop them from doing business with us. But they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers we're talking about, including child care. We're gonna have, I look forward to having no deficits within a very short period of time. Coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care.

"But those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers I'm talking about, including growth. Growth also headed up by what the plan is I just, that I just told you about. We're gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it's relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in.

We're gonna make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people, but we're gonna take care of our country first. This isn't about America first. It's about make America great again. And we have to do it because right now we're a failing nation. So we'll take care of it. Thank you."

[bobbiemcgee]

Serious? Harris has never gotten a vote for president, but now she's the front runner.

3700 delegate votes seems enough. Trump now admitting he lost the election.

[GoMuskies]

I think it's possible that someday we'll learn Biden had a TIA right before the debate.

LOL. Yeah, he was really "sharp as a tack" right up to that point. What a surprise that debate performance was....to anyone who'd been living under a rock or had their fingers in their ears, eyes closed and shouting "LA, LA, LA, LA, LA" over and over for the past year or so.

[94GRAD]

3700 delegate votes seems enough. Trump now admitting he lost the election.

Do you think she would have won that many delegates if she ran in the primary against anyone?

[Xville]

Do you think she would have won that many delegates if she ran in the primary against anyone?

Maybe if it were trump and that’s probably it.

One day I want to wake up and these not be the two options. Feels like we are living in an alternate universe.

It’s really hard to figure out who would fuck up the country less

[GoMuskies]

I think there's an approximately 0% chance Harris would have been the nominee if Biden had decided not to run for re-election and there had been a normal primary process.

[94GRAD]

i think there's an approximately 0% chance harris would have been the nominee if biden had decided not to run for re-election and there had been a normal primary process.

Exactly!

[paulxu]

LOL. Yeah, he was really "sharp as a tack" right up to that point. What a surprise that debate performance was....to anyone who'd been living under a rock or had their fingers in their ears, eyes closed and shouting "LA, LA, LA, LA, LA" over and over for the past year or so.

I never said that. In speeches before and since he does not appear to be spaced out like he was in the debate.
That’s all I was indicating, and that Trump seems to be slipping more and more with the word salad that means nothing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Serious? Harris has never gotten a vote for president, but now she's the front runner.

Maybe. Get over it. She's the Nominee.

[Xville]

Maybe. Get over it.

Yeah who cares about democracy or how our process is supposed to work.

[94GRAD]

Maybe. Get over it.

Bobbie, assuming there were multiple candidates, who would you have voted for if there had been a Democrat primary?

[bobbiemcgee]

Biden

[paulxu]

Now that Dick Cheney has said Trump is a threat to our democracy, perhaps Republicans will listen.
Not cult personality followers, but real Republicans.

If GW comes on board, every person on a presidential ticket in the 21st century will have refused to endorse the nominee, including his own VP.

[94GRAD]

Biden

Even knowing he has severely diminished mental capabilities?

[GoMuskies]

Growing up, I heard Dick Cheney was a threat to democracy.

[BandAid]

Now that Dick Cheney has said Trump is a threat to our democracy, perhaps Republicans will listen.
Not cult personality followers, but real Republicans.

If GW comes on board, every person on a presidential ticket in the 21st century will have refused to endorse the nominee, including his own VP.

Dick Cheney the war criminal??

[Xuperman]

Now that Dick Cheney has said Trump is a threat to our democracy, perhaps Republicans will listen.
Not cult personality followers, but real Republicans.

If GW comes on board, every person on a presidential ticket in the 21st century will have refused to endorse the nominee, including his own VP.

Do you guys NOT understand how TDS effects the mind? It's a political toxin of epic proportions.

I was on the road all day, and saw a plethora of TRUMP decorated vehicles!!! (mostly rusted out pick-ups).

[Xuperman]

Now that Dick Cheney has said Trump is a threat to our democracy, perhaps Republicans will listen.
Not cult personality followers, but real Republicans.

If GW comes on board, every person on a presidential ticket in the 21st century will have refused to endorse the nominee, including his own VP.

DUH! You can't get a dinner date in Washington if you are an "out of the closet" TRUMP supporter.....TDS is a nasty cluster fuck.

It totally destroys "muff" time possibilities for ALL the good looking "suits" in DC. Just think about how Morning Joe had to degrade himself....to BONE MIKA.

(Laura Bush is hot......Did I reveal too much???)

[paulxu]

Pretend you're a college student in the future, and read this about your guy from a history teacher.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/september-7-2024

[STL_XUfan]

Do you guys NOT understand how TDS effects the mind? It's a political toxin of epic proportions.

I was on the road all day, and saw a plethora of TRUMP decorated vehicles!!! (mostly rusted out pick-ups).
I’m worried you don’t understand what your 24 hour binge of news is doing to your brain. Seriously go outside for a bit

[Xuperman]

I’m worried you don’t understand what your 24 hour binge of news is doing to your brain. Seriously go outside for a bit

I have rid myself of the MSM. For almost a year now it's only NewsNation and some talk radio when I am on the road. Try NewsNation. I am a 7, 8, 9 guy and it has made me think real journalism has hope.

[bjf123]

I really like Chris Cuomo, which are words I never thought I’d say. He still leans a little Left, but has no trouble calling out the Democrats and other media.


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[Xuperman]

I really like Chris Cuomo, which are words I never thought I’d say. He still leans a little Left, but has no trouble calling out the Democrats and other media.


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The entire business model of NewsNation is in direct contrast of the sickening MSM. A return to old school news.....there is always both sides and an absolute mind blowing line up. Vittert, Cuomo, Abrams + Rivera, O'Reilly, Bolton, Carville is the only way to rid yourself of the corporate poison.

[xubrew]

I can see Trump not enjoying prison. The chances of him ending up there increase quite a bit if he ends up not getting elected.

https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1832589096029450360?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

[GoMuskies]

Big day tomorrow. Pretty good chance it decides the election.

After Kamala's initial bump, Trump has pulled back in front in the betting markets. Either one could blow it tomorrow (it's truly only a matter of who will do worse).

[Xville]

Sounds like another Scheffler situation with an idiot cop on Sunday. Hill is no saint, but considering the cop has already been put on leave probably tells us all we need to know.

Defunding the police is a stupid platform, but when this kind of stuff seems to happen all too often with cops lately, I get where people are coming from.

[94GRAD]

Sounds like another Scheffler situation with an idiot cop on Sunday. Hill is no saint, but considering the cop has already been put on leave probably tells us all we need to know.

Defunding the police is a stupid platform, but when this kind of stuff seems to happen all too often with cops lately, I get where people are coming from.

Let's see if he "forgot" to turn his camera on.

[xubrew]

Sounds like another Scheffler situation with an idiot cop on Sunday. Hill is no saint, but considering the cop has already been put on leave probably tells us all we need to know.

Defunding the police is a stupid platform, but when this kind of stuff seems to happen all too often with cops lately, I get where people are coming from.

Idiots are a problem that has plagued humanity throughout its entire existence, but idiot cops seem to do more damage than most other types of idiots. I'm strongly against defunding the police. If anything, I'm for funding them more. Having said that, I do think some of those funds need to be used to identify the idiots and get them out of law enforcement, as well as screening to make sure fewer idiots are able to join up in the first place.

[bobbiemcgee]

Now trump sez he will throw everyone in jail who opposes him. Bad news for Paul and me.

[paulxu]

He's slowly slipping into senility;

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfC0_dhXgnU2tM1mmUtUTRg-gzW30YijMiftnfXRqM1BZORM66WYmc08PlixAVAQBYNycIPlqL zvW5l4ud5eAMwetF5C9n3BYKhgo_ejOAEyIdyuQIwXrRbTyHox Zc50CprTcqssTN-F4Ef_S5OCKTDT24mar0WDch6EtKEiVKjkvO_5s3hLbU/s400/Screenshot_20240909_145135_Bluesky.jpg

[xubrew]

He's slowly slipping into senility;

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhfC0_dhXgnU2tM1mmUtUTRg-gzW30YijMiftnfXRqM1BZORM66WYmc08PlixAVAQBYNycIPlqL zvW5l4ud5eAMwetF5C9n3BYKhgo_ejOAEyIdyuQIwXrRbTyHox Zc50CprTcqssTN-F4Ef_S5OCKTDT24mar0WDch6EtKEiVKjkvO_5s3hLbU/s400/Screenshot_20240909_145135_Bluesky.jpg

I'm not so sure he's slowly slipping into it...

[X-band '01]

How much worse can Leon Musk be running Twitter?

[Xville]

Well, body cam footage was released and well the cops weee psychotic, but tyreek is just as at fault for being a complete idiot. He didn’t listen, he rolled his window up as the cops were trying to talk to him, cops said to roll his windows down like three time and he didn’t listen. Cops escalated it to the point they shouldn’t have per usual, but tyreek was just as at fault

[paulxu]

Who needs Russians paying hundreds of thousands to right wing influencers to spread lies for the Republicans, when they can do a good job on their own.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jd-vance-haitian-immigrants-ohio-pets-cats_n_66df3a10e4b0850940b5a7c3

[GoMuskies]

All you post is correct Paul. And yet Trump may still be more qualified to be President than Harris.

I am not complimenting Trump.

[Xuperman]

Let's see if he "forgot" to turn his camera on.

It is attempts at humor like this that will put us all in dire straits. Why would any quality young person want to aspire to "serve and protect"?

[Xuperman]

All you post is correct Paul. And yet Trump may still be more qualified to be President than Harris.

I am not complimenting Trump.

More qualified?

He WAS POTUS!

4 years of experience in the big chair.

Harris is going to win. Way too much TDS influence in every and all places. After 4 years of this incoherent air head.....there will be a must needed reset.

[Xuperman]

I'm not so sure he's slowly slipping into it...

IF Harris would entertain us with ANY similar exposure.....we could all have stuff to laugh about here. HOWEVER...David Plouffe knows better!

This woman is a blithering idiot. Stay tuned for the painful truth.

[paulxu]

All you post is correct Paul. And yet Trump may still be more qualified to be President than Harris.

I am not complimenting Trump.

These top level National Security leaders disagree;

https://www.nsl4a.org/member-activities/nsl4a-members-statement-of-support-for-vp-kamala-harris

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well, body cam footage was released and well the cops weee psychotic, but tyreek is just as at fault for being a complete idiot. He didnÂ’t listen, he rolled his window up as the cops were trying to talk to him, cops said to roll his windows down like three time and he didnÂ’t listen. Cops escalated it to the point they shouldnÂ’t have per usual, but tyreek was just as at fault

Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

[Xville]

Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

He had the windows rolled completely up after initial discussion. He had tinted windows that once up, you can’t tell what the individual is doing. To me, as in a lot of these types of situations, both are at fault for stupid decision making and escalating something that didn’t need to be escalated.

[xuwillie]

He had the windows rolled completely up after initial discussion. He had tinted windows that once up, you can’t tell what the individual is doing. To me, as in a lot of these types of situations, both are at fault for stupid decision making and escalating something that didn’t need to be escalated.

Yeah rolling up the window might be the dumbest thing you can probably do especially with tinted ones. Both sides should admit some guilt but of course that won’t happen

[STL_XUfan]

Felt compelled to post because there is a small item here that is largely unknown to people. When you are in your car, you do NOT have to lower your window completely. It must be lowered enough for you and the officer to speak only. Now, there is a calm way to do it and a there is a not calm way to do it. I would guess by the result it wasn't calm. That said, when a cop tells you that you must lower the window entirely he is not being truthful.

I would need to see the full body camera footage here. If the source of the cop insisting he wasn't being cooperative was that very issue, AND the camera shows they speaking and understanding each other, there are going to be issues with the takedown.

Nothing gives me a bigger chuckle then reading court of appeals cases where they claim you have the right to not follow an officer instruction as they are a request and, unless you are detained, not a requirement. Clearly written by people that have never interacted with police. You try to assert your rights and they will take it personally and go on an all out power trip (like what happened here).

There was no need for the cop to remove him from the car, no reason to slam him to the ground, and no reason to pull him down to the ground by the neck a second time. You can argue that Hill acted like a brat, but the cop should have a little bit thicker skin and deescalate the situation rather than flip out.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nothing gives me a bigger chuckle then reading court of appeals cases where they claim you have the right to not follow an officer instruction as they are a request and, unless you are detained, not a requirement. Clearly written by people that have never interacted with police. You try to assert your rights and they will take it personally and go on an all out power trip (like what happened here).

There was no need for the cop to remove him from the car, no reason to slam him to the ground, and no reason to pull him down to the ground by the neck a second time. You can argue that Hill acted like a brat, but the cop should have a little bit thicker skin and deescalate the situation rather than flip out.

Here is the problem with that line of thought, it assumes we live in a police state and any and all police direction should be followed regardless.

I have been and avid road/mountain bike racer for 25 years. 20 or so years ago road cycling just after dawn, I was pulled over by a cop. It was a post monsoon morning, tree debris littered the roadway including the bike lane. Cop lit me up for not riding in the bike lane that had broken branches in it. The guy demanded my ID. As a good cyclist, I can quote the ASRS that ruled that situation that I merely had to ride as far right at practicable. Now I was nice, I told him he made an unlawful stop and I was not required to provide ID. Guy was a total asshole, told me I was detained, ordered me to sit on the curb, and went back to his car. He was in it for a good 5 minutes and drove off without an apology or even telling the stop was over.

It is best to know exactly what the law is in your state, as in mine now you have to ID if the cops stop you regardless of the reason now I believe, but you should also be courteous. Let the cop escalate things, demand things, also make sure you are recording as that is your right as well. Cops are not your friends. Never answer questions, ever.

I like to wait for all video to come out before judging a situation. I would love to see/hear the first interaction between the cop and Hill. It is puzzling to me why he felt he could roll the window completely up.

[Xville]

Here is the problem with that line of thought, it assumes we live in a police state and any and all police direction should be followed regardless.

I have been and avid road/mountain bike racer for 25 years. 20 or so years ago road cycling just after dawn, I was pulled over by a cop. It was a post monsoon morning, tree debris littered the roadway including the bike lane. Cop lit me up for not riding in the bike lane that had broken branches in it. The guy demanded my ID. As a good cyclist, I can quote the ASRS that ruled that situation that I merely had to ride as far right at practicable. Now I was nice, I told him he made an unlawful stop and I was not required to provide ID. Guy was a total asshole, told me I was detained, ordered me to sit on the curb, and went back to his car. He was in it for a good 5 minutes and drove off without an apology or even telling the stop was over.

It is best to know exactly what the law is in your state, as in mine now you have to ID if the cops stop you regardless of the reason now I believe, but you should also be courteous. Let the cop escalate things, demand things, also make sure you are recording as that is your right as well. Cops are not your friends. Never answer questions, ever.

I like to wait for all video to come out before judging a situation. I would love to see/hear the first interaction between the cop and Hill. It is puzzling to me why he felt he could roll the window completely up.

You think "being nice" is telling the cop that he made an unlawful stop and that you weren't required to provide id? And you're surprised he "acted like an asshole?"

Regardless, when you're caught going 100 in a 55, you should probably go ahead and follow the cops' orders, otherwise things like what happened, happened. Not excusing the cops escalating behavior, but i guarantee if Hill listened, it wouldn't have happened.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You think "being nice" is telling the cop that he made an unlawful stop and that you weren't required to provide id? And you're surprised he "acted like an asshole?"

Regardless, when you're caught going 100 in a 55, you should probably go ahead and follow the cops' orders, otherwise things like what happened, happened. Not excusing the cops escalating behavior, but i guarantee if Hill listened, it wouldn't have happened.

Yes I do, to answer your question. Being nice is more about tone and demeanor, being nice is not about doing whatever Cops ask regardless of whether it's a lawful order. Know your local laws, know your obligations because cops won't respect your rights if you don't know them.

Phoenix cops have a bad reputation and have always had a bad reputation. Don't believe me, google and read the DOJ report on civil rights violations that was dropped a few months ago.

[Xville]

Yes I do, to answer your question. Being nice is more about tone and demeanor, being nice is not about doing whatever Cops ask regardless of whether it's a lawful order. Know your local laws, know your obligations because cops won't respect your rights if you don't know them.

Phoenix cops have a bad reputation and have always had a bad reputation. Don't believe me, google and read the DOJ report on civil rights violations that was dropped a few months ago.

Words are definitely what matter, not tone or demeanor in a situation like this imo, especially with someone that has a gun and a bad reputation. You immediately said something that puts someone on the defensive. Had you said that to some cops nowadays you probably have a good chance at getting a gun pointed at you.

I mean honestly what do you think the cop was going to say and or react? Oh ok yes sir and give you a pat on the butt?

Regardless, if I’m going 45 over the speed limit, I’m doing what the cop says.

[Xville]

The amount of lying from both of these idiots is impressive

[GoMuskies]

Trump is not a good debater. Except when he's debating the functionally dead.

Also, Kamala Harris probably wants to take it easy on bragging about having the Dick Cheney endorsement.

[Xville]

Trump: rhetoric, lie, rhetoric, lie

Kamala: lie, lie, lie

Good times we live in

[xuphan]

The amount of lying from both of these idiots is impressive

Such great role models our future generation have to look up to. Surprised this country doesn’t expect better from the person that will lead our country moving forward.

[Strange Brew]

Such great role models our future generation have to look up to. Surprised this country doesn’t expect better from the person that will lead our country moving forward.

I’m not a role model, Charles Barkley. ;)

Foreign oil? Jeez Kamala that went out the door during the Trump Admin.

[bobbiemcgee]

Springfield eats dogs and cats?

[GoMuskies]

Is re-litigating the 2020 election result a good strategy? I think no.

[Xville]

Can he talk about anything else other than migrants? Good gawd shut up

[Strange Brew]

Is re-litigating the 2020 election result a good strategy? I think no.

No, however it’s a network debate.

I’d like to hear more on Harris’ economic policy.

[noteggs]

No, however it’s a network debate.

I’d like to hear more on Harris’ economic policy.

In terms of economic policy, which way does the wind blow.

[Strange Brew]

Did Harris just signal the World we are in the Ukraine/Russian war?

Not good Bob.

[bjf123]

Trump: rhetoric, lie, rhetoric, lie

Kamala: lie, lie, lie

Good times we live in

Seems they’re only fact checking Trump and letting Kamala say whatever she wants, not that I’m surprised.


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[Strange Brew]

Does Harris realize she’s the sitting VP?

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump still can't admit he lost. Unbelievable.

[bobbiemcgee]

Seems they’re only fact checking Trump and letting Kamala say whatever she wants, not that I’m surprised.


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Probably bcuz he opens his mouth he lies.

[Strange Brew]

Kamala defending the ACA?

Ok, go for it.

We all know it’s a bad deal.

[bjf123]

Probably bcuz he opens his mouth he lies.

And she doesn’t?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Kamala defending the ACA?

Ok, go for it.

We all know it’s a bad deal.

69 million would disagree

[bobbiemcgee]

And she doesn’t?


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Not nearly as much

[GoMuskies]

Trump was a slight betting favorite this morning. Immediately post-debate, Harris is a slight fave (-120).

[XU 23]

I think Trump won the debate because I like him.

Furthermore, I think Harris lost the debate because I don't like her.

[Strange Brew]

69 million would disagree

What are you talking about Bob?

[bobbiemcgee]

288 million swifty 's may turn the tide.

[Strange Brew]

288 million swifty 's may turn the tide.

Out of 345M?

Doubtful. It’s nice to see Joe is posting here from the beach.

[bobbiemcgee]

Check it out 288 in the WORLD but many here.

[Xuperman]

The most politically baffling thing about Trump is.....he literally has zero ability to expand his base. I don't think there has ever been anything like it. Something really crazy would have to happen before 11/5 for this stubborn asshole to win.

[Xville]

When he loses, (I really don’t know how he wins at this point), the republicans need to go back to square one and really think about how to win elections again. Only reason they won in 16 because Hillary may be a more vile person than trump. Republicans need to go back to who they used to be

[Xuperman]

If he can somehow manage to win Pennsylvania....he has a shot.

Otherwise, our Country will just have to endure 4 more years of pain. You can be assured that our global enemies are going to come at us hard. The terrorists are here and I have no confidence that Harris will root them out before they do what they're here to do.

[paulxu]

What's with y'all in Ohio eating cats and dogs?
You need to build some Hardees.

(Also, Trump won in '16 because we have an electoral college.)

[Xuperman]

The real concern is the possible Trump "drag" on the House/Senate races. If she has Congress control.....you won't recognize your Country in 4 years.

[xubrew]

It's a problem that the fringe of both parties, the people that even those within each party would rather do without, seem to be steering the directions of the parties and the country. Most Republicans don't want or like Trump. But the ones that do want him would torpedo the party and make it impossible for them to win anything if they went in another direction. I think the same is true (at least to a degree) with the Democrats. Now...what can be done to change that?

[Xville]

It's a problem that the fringe of both parties, the people that even those within each party would rather do without, seem to be steering the directions of the parties and the country. Most Republicans don't want or like Trump. But the ones that do want him would torpedo the party and make it impossible for them to win anything if they went in another direction. I think the same is true (at least to a degree) with the Democrats. Now...what can be done to change that?

You have got to think that if trump loses again, the Republican side would sort itself out. They haven’t won a popular vote since what 04?

Maybe soften the rhetoric, and talk policy instead of spending two hours talking about migrants taking over the world would be a start?

Trump was absolutely terrible last night, all he had to do was repeatedly say she has had four years to do the things she claims she’s going to do, and leave it at that. Then, talk about actual policy. He just couldn’t do it. He sounded like an angry buffoon.

I’m no fan of Vivek but could you imagine what he would have done to her? He would have undressed her, and she would have come out looking like a complete idiot

[Xuperman]

Other than wanting to outlaw abortion and gender surgery for kids.....what other extreme ideology is on the right? Almost all of the extreme insanity lives in the Democrat party. Looks like your going to get a front row seat for some of it.

[Xville]

Other than wanting to outlaw abortion and gender surgery for kids.....what other extreme ideology is on the right? Almost all of the extreme insanity lives in the Democrat party. Looks like your going to get a front row seat for some of it.

Really? How about zero gun control, deporting 11 million immigrants, and racial supremacism just off the top of my head. There is plenty of nuttiness on both fringes

[bjf123]

(Also, Trump won in '16 because we have an electoral college.)

And that’s how we elect the President. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[paulxu]

You've been talking about replacing the ACA for 10 years, and when asked about your plan to do that, your answer is:
"I have concepts of a plan"
I'm not confident you even understand what policy means.

[xubrew]

You have got to think that if trump loses again, the Republican side would sort itself out. They haven’t won a popular vote since what 04?

Maybe soften the rhetoric, and talk policy instead of spending two hours talking about migrants taking over the world would be a start?

Trump was absolutely terrible last night, all he had to do was repeatedly say she has had four years to do the things she claims she’s going to do, and leave it at that. Then, talk about actual policy. He just couldn’t do it. He sounded like an angry buffoon.

I’m no fan of Vivek but could you imagine what he would have done to her? He would have undressed her, and she would have come out looking like a complete idiot

Well, he IS an angry buffoon. I suppose I should admire his candidness.

[GoMuskies]

When he loses, (I really don’t know how he wins at this point), the republicans need to go back to square one and really think about how to win elections again. Only reason they won in 16 because Hillary may be a more vile person than trump. Republicans need to go back to who they used to be

It's obviously the people of the party and not the establishment that will have to decide to make that change. The Republican establishment never wanted him and has tried to get rid of him several times, only to get repeatedly embarrassed in primaries.

The Republican Party is never, ever going back to be the party of Reagan and Bush (and probably shouldn't as times change). They need to eventually transition away from being the party of Trump, or at least they need to find someone who can more eloquently articulate the well of emotions that Trump has obviously tapped into .

The Democrats are never going back to being the party of Clinton and Gore, either. What they HAVE managed to do is generally keep the adults nominally in charge. They may be loathsome, awful adults, but they've kept the Omars, Bowmans, Bushes and Tlaibs neatly and powerlessly off to the side performing their freak show.

[Xville]

You've been talking about replacing the ACA for 10 years, and when asked about your plan to do that, your answer is:
"I have concepts of a plan"
I'm not confident you even understand what policy means.

Tell me the great answer that Kamala came up with when asked about the economy? “I grew up in a middle class family…”

Uh what?

Regarding health care, let’s be honest right now, neither side has any interest in fixing it. They both get extremely rich from the way it is right now. All aca did was put more money in their pockets and f most of those that already had insurance.

[Xville]

It's obviously the people of the party and not the establishment that will have to decide to make that change. The Republican establishment never wanted him and has tried to get rid of him several times, only to get repeatedly embarrassed in primaries.

The Republican Party is never, ever going back to be the party of Reagan and Bush (and probably shouldn't as times change). They need to eventually transition away from being the party of Trump, or at least they need to find someone who can more eloquently articulate the well of emotions that Trump has obviously tapped into .

The Democrats are never going back to being the party of Clinton and Gore, either. What they HAVE managed to do is generally keep the adults nominally in charge. They may be loathsome, awful adults, but they've kept the Omars, Bowmans, Bushes and Tlaibs neatly and powerlessly off to the side performing their freak show.

What I mean by going back is not by going back to being Bush and Reagan, but more to general ideas/policy. Fiscally Conservative, family values etc. Stop with the angry rhetoric about everything including pointing fingers at the media, the fringe left etc. Yes network media is biased, great. It always has been, get over it.

Go back to focusing on policy and working on actual solutions to our problems. All I heard from Trump is angry rhetoric that only his base gives a crap about, and from Harris continuous lies about what Trump has said or done.

[xubrew]

The dog-eaters must be stopped!!! I am a single issue voter, and that is my issue!!!

[paulxu]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

[xubrew]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

Yes. And it's actually not strange at all. The easiest people to lie to are the ones that want to believe the lie. And, it's very easy for someone to lie to themselves. I think almost all human beings do this to some extent. "I don't need to eat better and exercise! I'm totally fine!" or in a much less consequential arena "My team should have won but got totally screwed!!" But, Trump takes it to an absurd level. And, a lot of people actually DO believe it!

When a lie is more palatable than the truth, a lot of people will take the lie and run with it if it is at all plausible (and sometimes even if it isn't). If you ever look for it you'll see examples of it all the time. I think that's actually a somewhat unfortunate part of the human condition.

[bobbiemcgee]

You've been talking about replacing the ACA for 10 years, and when asked about your plan to do that, your answer is:
"I have concepts of a plan"
I'm not confident you even understand what policy means.

2 weeks...2 weeks..the healthcare plan coming in 2 weeks (for 10 years)

[Xville]

I'm fascinated that he keeps repeating over and over and over again, things that have been proven false.

He did not win the 2020 election, but that big lie lives on.
Tariffs are paid by the consumer, not China...but he keeps repeating that, despite being shown it's not correct.

Do you suppose his followers believe that stuff because he keeps saying it? Very strange.

Sure, and Kamala does the exact same. Politicians lie, and partisan people believe them.

[GoMuskies]

In both debates, Trump talked about how every legal scholar, every Republican, every Democrat wanted abortion to go back to the states for voters to decide. Let's put aside for a moment the fact that statement is demonstrably false. Let's pretend it's true. His next statement is that abortion has been tearing this country apart, and he did the impossible by making it happen for the issue to be returned to the states.

Now, if you assume #1 is true (which it's not), how is it an accomplishment to overturn Roe v. Wade and get the decision on restrictions on abortion back to the state level? If EVERY legal scholar, EVERY Democrat and EVERY Republican wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, it would have been super simple to do, and it would have been overturned much earlier.

Kamala obviously pushed back on abortion, but I'm kind of surprised that neither she nor Biden really reacted to the notion that EVERY legal scholar and EVERY Democrat wanted that, because it's just such a demonstrably nonsense statement.

[STL_XUfan]

In both debates, Trump talked about how every legal scholar, every Republican, every Democrat wanted abortion to go back to the states for voters to decide. Let's put aside for a moment the fact that statement is demonstrably false. Let's pretend it's true. His next statement is that abortion has been tearing this country apart, and he did the impossible by making it happen for the issue to be returned to the states.

Now, if you assume #1 is true (which it's not), how is it an accomplishment to overturn Roe v. Wade and get the decision on restrictions on abortion back to the state level? If EVERY legal scholar, EVERY Democrat and EVERY Republican wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, it would have been super simple to do, and it would have been overturned much earlier.

Kamala obviously pushed back on abortion, but I'm kind of surprised that neither she nor Biden really reacted to the notion that EVERY legal scholar and EVERY Democrat wanted that, because it's just such a demonstrably nonsense statement.

Polling wise, it is her strongest issue. Why get into a fight about how many experts wanted it or that Trump lies, all it does is waste the limited time you have to discuss one of your strongest issues. Focus on that issue while people are listening.

This happened to Trump last night. During the immigration portion, which is Trump's strongest polling area, Harris went off topic to say people were leaving Trump rallies early. Instead of using his time to talk about his strongest issue, he went on a rant about how great his rallies are. Essentially wasting an opportunity to talk about his strongest argument to replace it with 45 seconds of him talking about his weakest argument (his own undisciplined ego).

[Xuperman]

Really? How about zero gun control, deporting 11 million immigrants, and racial supremacism just off the top of my head. There is plenty of nuttiness on both fringes

You call those examples of "Radical" ideology on the far Right?

What is ZERO GUN CONTROL and which politicians are advocating for it? We have plenty of gun laws on the books. Are you saying there are Republicans that want to eliminate them all?

You call wanting to deport people here illegally radical? Yes, it is kinda crazy to think deportation on that scale could ever be accomplished. However, rounding up as many gang members/criminals/terrorists as possible for deportation is the opposite of "radical".

What is racial supremacism? If you're talking about wacko leftists calling white Republicans racist.... it happens all the time. That proves nothing. In fact, the Republican party pretty much stands for a MERIT based America regardless of who you are. It's the Dems that have recently gone all-in with identity politics and CRT ideology.

So again, other than some on the religious right wanting to ban abortion or put the 10 Commandments in schools....not understanding what this " radical" far right narrative is based on.

Now there is obviously a laundry list of truly radical policies/ideology on the far Left....and most of it is MAINSTREAM Democrat Party. I could easily elaborate on request.

[Xville]

You call those examples of "Radical" ideology on the far Right?

What is ZERO GUN CONTROL and which politicians are advocating for it? We have plenty of gun laws on the books. Are you saying there are Republicans that want to eliminate them all?

You call wanting to deport people here illegally radical? Yes, it is kinda crazy to think deportation on that scale could ever be accomplished. However, rounding up as many gang members/criminals/terrorists as possible for deportation is the opposite of "radical".

What is racial supremacism? If you're talking about wacko leftists calling white Republicans racist.... it happens all the time. That proves nothing. In fact, the Republican party pretty much stands for a MERIT based America regardless of who you are. It's the Dems that have recently gone all-in with identity politics and CRT ideology.

So again, other than some on the religious right wanting to ban abortion or put the 10 Commandments in schools....not understanding what this " radical" far right narrative is based on.

Now there is obviously a laundry list of truly radical policies/ideology on the far Left....and most of it is MAINSTREAM Democrat Party. I could easily elaborate on request.

You can google far right policies just like anyone else. I know you have a hard on for far left, while completely ignoring anything on the fringe right but try

[paulxu]

A little bit of humor:

https://cdn.prod.dailykos.com/images/1344310/story_image/CjonesRGB09132024.jpg?1726068927

[Xuperman]

You can google far right policies just like anyone else. I know you have a hard on for far left, while completely ignoring anything on the fringe right but try

Ok, I use Bing and this came up at the top.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_the_Republican_Party_(Unite d_States)

What do you see there that is "Radical"?

There is a couple of articles about those on the far Right wanting to shut down the Government as usual, but there is always a fiscal responsibility argument involved. Radical? Other articles about the far Right caucus holding up past legislation. Radical?

Lots of stuff on far Right domestic terrorism which IS radical, but can you name any government official that supports it?

So, there is just not much "Radical" there. Stuff like taxpayer dollars to pay off student loans and inviting 10-15 million illegals who mostly can't support themselves fits the definition much better.

[xuphan]

Really? How about zero gun control, deporting 11 million immigrants, and racial supremacism just off the top of my head. There is plenty of nuttiness on both fringes

Can we also add tax break to the top 1 or 2%. Maybe it is just me but I don’t see how this country benefits from giving tax breaks to people who already have more money than they could ever need.

[Xville]

Can we also add tax break to the top 1 or 2%. Maybe it is just me but I don’t see how this country benefits from giving tax breaks to people who already have more money than they could ever need.

Along with quinones conspiracy theories, white nationalism, on and on and on. Both fringes are bonkers

[X-band '01]

Former Red Luis Quinones has conspiracy theories? Who knew

[Xville]

Former Red Luis Quinones has conspiracy theories? Who knew

Stupid autocorrect :)

[Xuperman]

White Nationalism IS radical ideology, but the discussion was meant to focus on our 2 political parties. Name a Republican that you consider a White Nationalist. What does goofy Q'anon conspiracies have to do with Republican policy?

It's appears that you are making the point that there are Radical right wing extremists living among us. Agreed, but that is totally different than the point I was making.

[Muskie in dayton]

When he loses, (I really don’t know how he wins at this point), the republicans need to go back to square one and really think about how to win elections again. Only reason they won in 16 because Hillary may be a more vile person than trump. Republicans need to go back to who they used to be
Then they would be almost as disgusting as Democrats are today. Speaking of that, Dick Cheney endorsed Kamala.

[Xville]

White Nationalism IS radical ideology, but the discussion was meant to focus on our 2 political parties. Name a Republican that you consider a White Nationalist. What does goofy Q'anon conspiracies have to do with Republican policy?

It's appears that you are making the point that there are Radical right wing extremists living among us. Agreed, but that is totally different than the point I was making.

There’s one that governs in your state—Jim Jordan

Or here’s another far right ideology:

Our elections are being stolen.

[paulxu]

Does a football coach count?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/14/republican-senator-tommy-tuberville-white-natiomalists

[Xville]

You call those examples of "Radical" ideology on the far Right?

What is ZERO GUN CONTROL and which politicians are advocating for it? We have plenty of gun laws on the books. Are you saying there are Republicans that want to eliminate them all?

You call wanting to deport people here illegally radical? Yes, it is kinda crazy to think deportation on that scale could ever be accomplished. However, rounding up as many gang members/criminals/terrorists as possible for deportation is the opposite of "radical".

What is racial supremacism? If you're talking about wacko leftists calling white Republicans racist.... it happens all the time. That proves nothing. In fact, the Republican party pretty much stands for a MERIT based America regardless of who you are. It's the Dems that have recently gone all-in with identity politics and CRT ideology.

So again, other than some on the religious right wanting to ban abortion or put the 10 Commandments in schools....not understanding what this " radical" far right narrative is based on.

Now there is obviously a laundry list of truly radical policies/ideology on the far Left....and most of it is MAINSTREAM Democrat Party. I could easily elaborate on request.

Can you point me to any far right republican that is for any kind of gun control? Hint: you’re not going to find one. You probably wouldn’t find one outside of possibly a few moderate r. Spare me your only far left ideological bs is harmful. Both sides are awful on the fringe.

[Xuperman]

Does a football coach count?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/14/republican-senator-tommy-tuberville-white-natiomalists

Thanks Paul.
Some of the direct quotes in your article can be labeled "Radical". However Tuberville has been placed on a political island because of those quotes. Significant public pushback from scores of his fellow Republicans and he certainly hasn't created any type of "movement", based on his personal views, that could effect Republican policy in anyway. He's one guy....with no way to affect YOUR life.

On the other side of the conversation, there is plenty of "Radical" ideology that has majority support in creating ACTUAL policy that effects all of us.

Example- Banning Fracking and gas cars. Radical?

[paulxu]

Today's comment from a noted "liberal?"


Karl Rove just wrote this in the Wall Street Journal, “There’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as ‘dumb as a rock.’ Which raises the question: What does that make him?”

[Xuperman]

Here's a good example of "Radical" far Left policy.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/abortion/pro-life-group-demands-abc-issue-correction-over-abortion-fact-check

No wait....this is basically supported by the Democrat MAINSTREAM.

Who thinks ABC will oblige here?

[Muskie in dayton]

“My approach is about new ideas, new policies that are directed at the current moment and my focus is very much about what we need to do over the next 10-20 years to catch up to the 21st century around, again, capacity, but also challenges.”

[Xuperman]

“My approach is about new ideas, new policies that are directed at the current moment and my focus is very much about what we need to do over the next 10-20 years to catch up to the 21st century around, again, capacity, but also challenges.”

#1.

STOP demonizing Law Enforcement.

If that insanity doesn't stop....it's Anarchy on a Socialist Platter.

[Xuperman]

Tie down and prep for the harsh reality of "OBAMALA".....(I just made that my new irritating phrase).

Start stocking up on canned goods and bottled water.:biggrin:

[Xuperman]

And embrace your OBAMALA "Fundamentally Transform America" Utopia.......Comrades.:read:

[xuphan]

After reading the past couple of pages seeing people argue about which side is more radical, I’d love to know what some of you do for a living? I continue to be amazed at how people on here defend these multi-millionaire political presidential candidates like they are your brother or sister. What is Trump or Harris going to do to help you? What are the Republican or Democratic Party going to do to help you. They both have taken turns leading this country and both have failed miserably. What makes you think they give a flying you know what about you? They could care less about you unless you are contributing heavily to their bank account I mean campaign. Which leads me to my original question.

[Strange Brew]

After reading the past couple of pages seeing people argue about which side is more radical, I’d love to know what some of you do for a living? I continue to be amazed at how people on here defend these multi-millionaire political presidential candidates like they are your brother or sister. What is Trump or Harris going to do to help you? What are the Republican or Democratic Party going to do to help you. They both have taken turns leading this country and both have failed miserably. What makes you think they give a flying you know what about you? They could care less about you unless you are contributing heavily to their bank account I mean campaign. Which leads me to my original question.

One thing is true. You failed Composition. :)

People like Trump because he is America first. It really is that simple.

[xuphan]

One thing is true. You failed Composition. :)

People like Trump because he is America first. It really is that simple.

Trump is big business first. Not America first. Cute dig though. Hope that made you all warm and fuzzy inside :)

[paulxu]

Trump is Trump first. That should be fairly obvious.

[Muskie in dayton]

A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.

[STL_XUfan]

A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.
Even if this was true, what question was asked at the debate that someone couldn’t see coming from a mile away? Shit is not hard to plan or prepare for.

[paulxu]

Wonder what triggered this?



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXh0_B1W8AA9FgV?format=jpg&name=900x900

[GoMuskies]

Being anti-Swift doesn't seem like a winning strategy.

[94GRAD]

A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.

Can you please provide a link? The only thing I can find is something from the Daily Mail UK that had this quote-

"On Thursday, a website called Leading Report pushed that an ABC News whistleblower was 'allegedly' going to come forward and release an affadavit saying the Harris campaign was given sample questions in advance and 'assurances' Trump would be fact-checked in real time, the Beast reported.

A source familiar with the matter told the news site that the 'assurances' claim was also untrue."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847493/abc-denies-debate-collusion-kamala-harris-donald-trump.html

Thanks

[paulxu]

The guy who has posted the supposed whistleblower affidavit (Benny Johnson) is one of the guys paid by the Russians through Tenet Media.
(Of course)

[Strange Brew]

Trump is big business first. Not America first. Cute dig though. Hope that made you all warm and fuzzy inside :)

It did.

If your daughter is a Nanny, vote trump. :)

[xuphan]

It did.

If your daughter is a Nanny, vote trump. :)

I’ll pray for you. Seems like you need it.

[Strange Brew]

I’ll pray for you. Seems like you need it.

Thank you!

I’ll pray for you too.

[Xville]

I see strange playing his usual part of being an ignorant pompous ass on here, on a Sunday no less.

[Strange Brew]

I see strange playing his usual part of being an ignorant pompous ass on here, on a Sunday no less.

Haha, keep posting Ville.

Be specific. About what do you feel I’m ignorant. (An overused term BTW).

Side note. Oh, now you’re Holy. Are your Pro Life?

[Xville]

Even if this was true, what question was asked at the debate that someone couldn’t see coming from a mile away? Shit is not hard to plan or prepare for.

While that’s true, it would still be cheating and I would assume illegal? It also puts into question what else they could/would potentially cheat at?

[GoMuskies]

So someone tried to kill Trump again, huh? Probably has nothing to do with all the dangerous rhetoric about him.

[Xville]

Haha, keep posting Ville.

Be specific. About what do you feel I’m ignorant. (An overused term BTW).

Side note. Oh, now you’re Holy. Are your Pro Life?

Ignorant? Oh pretty much everything you post. My favorite is when you play a lawyer

[Xville]

So someone tried to kill Trump again, huh? Probably has nothing to do with all the dangerous rhetoric about him.

Nothing to see here. We don’t have a mental health or gun problem in this country. All is well

[Strange Brew]

Ignorant? Oh pretty much everything you post. My favorite is when you play a lawyer

What did I get wrong about the Law?

[Strange Brew]

Nothing to see here. We don’t have a mental health or gun problem in this country. All is well

We absolutely have a problem. It’s men not being men.

[Xville]

What did I get wrong about the Law?

I really don’t care to highlight specifics with you for the five millionth time. You’re ignorant, and worse you’re pompous, and if you’re that concerned about specifics, you can go back and look at any legal post you’ve ever made on here when stl undresses you like a cheap whore.

Saying trump is America first is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here, and if you truly believe that, seek help.

[Strange Brew]

I really don’t care to highlight specifics with you for the five millionth time. You’re ignorant, and worse you’re pompous, and if you’re that concerned about specifics, you can go back and look at any legal post you’ve ever made on here when stl undresses you like a cheap whore.

Saying trump is America first is one of the funniest things I’ve read on here, and if you truly believe that, seek help.

Thanks for your contribution to this thread and the Xavier community.

Tell me again whom is pompous.

Side note, were the Nazis socialist?

This should be fun.

[Xville]

Thanks for your contribution to this thread and the Xavier community.

Tell me again whom is pompous.

Side note, were the Nazis socialist?

This should be fun.

Every time you post I’m reminded of this:

Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth..." You got that from Vickers, Work in Essex County, Page 98, right? Yeah I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us—you have any thoughts of—of your own on this matter? Or do—is that your thing, you come into a bar, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend, you pawn it off as your own—your own idea just to impress some girls, embarrass my friend?

Hell you were probably affleck and Damon’s inspiration for the character he is speaking to.

Thanks for your continuous pompous contributions and giving me a laugh.

[Strange Brew]

Every time you post I’m reminded of this:

Wood drastically underestimates the impact of social distinctions predicated upon wealth, especially inherited wealth..." You got that from Vickers, Work in Essex County, Page 98, right? Yeah I read that too. Were you gonna plagiarize the whole thing for us—you have any thoughts of—of your own on this matter? Or do—is that your thing, you come into a bar, you read some obscure passage and then you pretend, you pawn it off as your own—your own idea just to impress some girls, embarrass my friend?

Hell you were probably affleck and Damon’s inspiration for the character he is speaking to.

Thanks for your continuous pompous contributions and giving me a laugh.

You don’t know me and I certainly don’t know you. There’s nothing pompous about being correct.

And Matt and Ben made a great movie. One of my favs. Up there with “Field of Dreams” and “Dead Poets”.

Edit: Social Distortion is a great, great band.

Double edit: You are mistaken. I don’t believe I’ve tried to pass off someone else’s work as my own.

[Muskie in dayton]

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
- Joseph Goebbels

[94GRAD]

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."
- Joseph Goebbels


Can you please provide a link? The only thing I can find is something from the Daily Mail UK that had this quote-

"On Thursday, a website called Leading Report pushed that an ABC News whistleblower was 'allegedly' going to come forward and release an affadavit saying the Harris campaign was given sample questions in advance and 'assurances' Trump would be fact-checked in real time, the Beast reported.

A source familiar with the matter told the news site that the 'assurances' claim was also untrue."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847493/abc-denies-debate-collusion-kamala-harris-donald-trump.html

Thanks


A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.

Can you please post a link detailing the story. I would like more info on this allegation. Thanks

[STL_XUfan]

Can you please post a link detailing the story. I would like more info on this allegation. Thanks
He cannot provides support because the MSM is working so hard to cover up this bombshell story against one of their competitors.

[xubrew]

A whistleblower has sent a sworn affidavit to Congress that ABC colluded with the Harris campaign to rig the debate against Trump. This is Pravda-style election interference. Just like crack head’s laptop, the MSM rigging our elections.

If not for the fake media, Trump would be ahead by 40 points.

I'm not shocked by much anymore. If this happened, I wouldn't be surprised. If it is a complete fabrication, I wouldn't be surprised. If there actually is a whistleblower, but the whistleblower is lying, i wouldn't be surprised.

Having said that, what questions were asked or topics weer brought up to either one of them that anyone with any sense at all did not see coming??

[xubrew]

So someone tried to kill Trump again, huh? Probably has nothing to do with all the dangerous rhetoric about him.

I think this is now officially out of hand.

Trying to claim you won an election that you clearly lost and then trying to lead in insurrection to declare yourself the winner is pretty bad. I actually think assassinating someone so they can't win is infinitely worse. Both are threats to Democracy. I know the Left likes to claim the moral high ground here, but the assassination attempts are even worse!!

"If we don't think we can beat him, we'll just shoot him!" That just shouldn't sit right with anyone.

[GoMuskies]

And it's definitely not the "normal" left that thinks that. But there were way too many "Why did that guy have such bad aim?" "jokes" after the first attempt. Shit's crazy.

[STL_XUfan]

I think this is now officially out of hand.

Trying to claim you won an election that you clearly lost and then trying to lead in insurrection to declare yourself the winner is pretty bad. I actually think assassinating someone so they can't win is infinitely worse. Both are threats to Democracy. I know the Left likes to claim the moral high ground here, but the assassination attempts are even worse!!

"If we don't think we can beat him, we'll just shoot him!" That just shouldn't sit right with anyone.

The left doesn't want him assassinated. They want him to get embarrassed at the ballot box and then actually face the consequences for his actions. He should be completely debased and humiliated through the Courts, to the extent that in 5 years people will deny ever having supported him in the first place.

If he gets assassinated, he becomes a martyr. The right then probably wins the election off the momentum from it and we have to spend the rest of our lives commuting on the Donald Trump Freedom Freeway to fly out of Trump International airport.

[xubrew]

The left doesn't want him assassinated. They want him to get embarrassed at the ballot box and then actually face the consequences for his actions. He should be completely debased and humiliated through the Courts, to the extent that in 5 years people will deny ever having supported him in the first place.

If he gets assassinated, he becomes a martyr. The right then probably wins the election off the momentum from it and we have to spend the rest of our lives commuting on the Donald Trump Freedom Freeway to fly out of Trump International airport.

I could not agree more! Especially with the first part! Anyone who tries to assassinate him needs to be de-nutted!!

[murray87]

Stay classy Cincy Enquirer:

https://x.com/Enquirer/status/1835702707505730032

[xubrew]

Stay classy Cincy Enquirer:

https://x.com/Enquirer/status/1835702707505730032

Geez. Solid take.

[X-band '01]

Stay classy Cincy Enquirer:

https://x.com/Enquirer/status/1835702707505730032

FYI - It's behind a paywall, but that link takes you to a letter from a reader in Sharonville. It wasn't written by the Enquirer editorial board, and they (read: Gannett) go out of their way to say they don't condone violence on any level.

[Muskie in dayton]

Can you please post a link detailing the story. I would like more info on this allegation. Thanks
Open X, search “whistleblower abc”, or similar. You’ll find numerous posts on the story including the partially redacted affidavit.

I should change my XH name to “Google”.

[Xville]

X definitely the purveyor of truth. Anyone who actually uses x as their news source even when it’s linked to something, needs to have their head examined. I find x a fun entertainment distraction though

[bobbiemcgee]

Vance admits he just makes shit up to get media attention.

[bobbiemcgee]

He literally closed up an American town by lying.

[xubrew]

Open X, search “whistleblower abc”, or similar. You’ll find numerous posts on the story including the partially redacted affidavit.

I should change my XH name to “Google”.


Okay, wait a minute....

Open X??

THAT'S your source!!!?????

[xuwillie]

Okay, wait a minute....

Open X??

THAT'S your source!!!?????

Are you saying MSM is more credible?!

[Xville]

Are you saying MSM is more credible?!

X is about 99.9% bs but it’s entertaining bs

Mainstream media is probably hovering around the 75-80% bs mark.

[xubrew]

Are you saying MSM is more credible?!

More credible than X? OF COURSE IT IS!!! Anyone can literally post anything on X. MSM isn’t at the standard it need to be, but it’s also not an open mic for anyone to say anything and be completely unchecked. You can go on X and search for stories about how Big Foot is real and find them.

[STL_XUfan]

You can go on X and search for stories about how Big Foot is real and find them.
Maybe if the MSM covered it more thoroughly we would have found him by now.

[Xuperman]

Vance admits he just makes shit up to get media attention.

So what? I think he was channeling this prick.

https://time.com/3765158/harry-reid-mitt-romney-no-taxes/

However the stakes were a bit higher....he knowingly lied to influence a POTUS ELECTION.

And how can we ever forget Crooked Hillary paying Christopher Steele millions to author up an entire fantasy novelette of lies....in another POTUS campaign just 4 years later.

The propaganda arm of the Democrat Party MSM ran blanket coverage of both lies as instructed.

[paulxu]

There is a difference. Vance's lies have potential for physical harm.
His lies have cause DeWine to send the National Guard to Springfield, schools and government buildings to evacuate, etc.
All for some stupid nonsense about cats and dogs.
And yes, also to influence a presidential election.

He did succeed in his goal to direct media attention. (Off the nominee's unfitness for office and disaster of a debate.)

[Xville]

There is a difference. Vance's lies have potential for physical harm.
His lies have cause DeWine to send the National Guard to Springfield, schools and government buildings to evacuate, etc.
All for some stupid nonsense about cats and dogs.
And yes, also to influence a presidential election.

He did succeed in his goal to direct media attention. (Off the nominee's unfitness for office and disaster of a debate.)

Maybe stop pointing fingers when people from your side have now tried to kill trump twice. Maybe you (general you) should tone down the rhetoric. Both sides should.

[paulxu]

I have to assume the people know the difference between a presidential/vice presidential candidate knowingly generating hate and potential violence...and some seemingly mentally defective people trying to harm candidates, who have registered/voted as Republicans, and are possessing military style weapons because of our lax gun laws.

There's a big difference. And yes, I understand when I "assume" people will understand the difference, I'm making an ass out of u and me.

[Xuperman]

Harris should immediately begin to relocate the 20,000 HAITIANS after elected......for their safety and a new start. Rock Hill would be a perfect safe place, or maybe a small SC town near you Paul.

[Xville]

I have to assume the people know the difference between a presidential/vice presidential candidate knowingly generating hate and potential violence...and some seemingly mentally defective people trying to harm candidates, who have registered/voted as Republicans, and are possessing military style weapons because of our lax gun laws.

There's a big difference. And yes, I understand when I "assume" people will understand the difference, I'm making an ass out of u and me.

There is video of Harris joking about trump being killed. There are people on your side doing many of the exact same things you accuse the right of doing. Dan Goldman is just the latest "has to be eliminated." Biden "time to put Trump in the bulls-eye"
Maxine Waters "get more confrontational" in reference to Minnesota protestors and encourage more confrontation with Trump officials. Your partisan blinders are insufferable.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe stop pointing fingers when people from your side have now tried to kill trump twice. Maybe you (general you) should tone down the rhetoric. Both sides should.

That's funny since they were both registered Republicans.

[xuwillie]

X is about 99.9% bs but it’s entertaining bs

Mainstream media is probably hovering around the 75-80% bs mark.

Ha kind of my point. Think they are both around 95% bs

[Xville]

That's funny since they were both registered Republicans.

Yeah and MOR is a registered independent. What’s your point?

[Smails]

FYI - It's behind a paywall, but that link takes you to a letter from a reader in Sharonville. It wasn't written by the Enquirer editorial board, and they (read: Gannett) go out of their way to say they don't condone violence on any level.

Yes, but they made the decision to publish it. Why give that level of nonsense any room to breathe?

[bobbiemcgee]

Ha kind of my point. Think they are both around 95% bs

So is this thread.

[Xville]

Yes, but they made the decision to publish it. Why give that level of nonsense any room to breathe?

Nothing to see here. There is no rhetoric from the left. There weren’t people joking about how bad of a shot the first guy was and wished he’d have been a better shooter. The left is full of choir boys and girls, who never lie or deceive.

Both sides really suck ass right now. I mean ffs look at the two we have to choose from in like 50 days

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah and MOR is a registered independent. What’s your point?

Did I quote Mor? Nope.

[Smails]

Yeah and MOR is a registered independent. What’s your point?

LOL! Definitely a bunch of hard-core right wingers who are trying to murder a Republican US presidential candidate. Totally..

[Xville]

Did I quote Mor? Nope.

sailed right over your head did I? My point is that the way someone is registered, may not accurately reflect their current political position.

Use some common sense.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ywah, if they were dems, it would make more sense when trump sez Biden is trying to kill him.

[GoMuskies]

LOL! Definitely a bunch of hard-core right wingers who are trying to murder a Republican US presidential candidate. Totally..

Aren't those Lincoln Project guys nominally Republicans? I could see someone slightly mentally unstable who follows them wanting to kill Trump.

[Xville]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/donald-trump-assassination-attempt-suspect-what-we-know/ar-AA1qCUKI?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Scroll down to political donations... the guy was the opposite of a republican. The guy gave money to O'Rourke and Warren ffs. Can we stop that nonsense now?

Also would like to see where its substantiated that he ever was a registered republican, because all I have seen beyond the twitterverse is that he was unaffiliated when living in NC.

[bobbiemcgee]

With his record, how did even get registered.

[Smails]

Aren't those Lincoln Project guys nominally Republicans? I could see someone slightly mentally unstable who follows them wanting to kill Trump.

Ahh..the Lincoln Project. The white horse, the bastion of freedom pulling back the curtain! Turns out it was a huge grift, sexually charged workplace and a platform for their leader who was married with children, to send sext messages to over 20 men. Such a noble cause

[xubrew]

The pro-Hamas look is not a good one. the assassination attempts (plural) on Trump aren't good either. The Fringe-Right has some lunatics on it, and I'm no fan of Trump and how I feel his own narcissism has resulted in him trying to put himself above the rest of the country. But the Fringe-Left is even crazier! And it LOOKS crazier! They bully people. They try and cancel people. I mean, if you're of the opinion that men can't have babies then you better Watch the Fuck Out!!!

Now, I know that most "sane" liberals have nothing to do with any of this. But I also think it would be good for...well...EVERYONE if some of the leaders from the Left would loudly, and vocally, and conspicuously start to shout down and condemn a lot of this nonsense!! Simply saying "Oh well, he was a registered Republican," is NOT an appropriate reaction!

[paulxu]

Simply saying "Oh well, he was a registered Republican," is NOT an appropriate reaction!

Of course it's not an appropriate response. It's happenstance, as people change positions a lot.
But, neither person should have had a weapon. A convicted felon and a 14 year old, whose dad bought him the gun when he was 13.
Perhaps we need tighter gun laws.

But at least the leading Dems have condemned the attempts on Trump, and violence in general.
Not so much the R's. They'd like to blame the Dems for everything. Hard to get them to accept accountability.

[Xville]

Of course it's not an appropriate response. It's happenstance, as people change positions a lot.
But, neither person should have had a weapon. A convicted felon and a 14 year old, whose dad bought him the gun when he was 13.
Perhaps we need tighter gun laws.

But at least the leading Dems have condemned the attempts on Trump, and violence in general.
Not so much the R's. They'd like to blame the Dems for everything. Hard to get them to accept accountability.

What kind of warped world do you live in?

Dan Goldman is just the latest "has to be eliminated." Biden "time to put Trump in the bulls-eye"
Maxine Waters "get more confrontational" in reference to Minnesota protestors and encourage more confrontation with Trump officials.
Rick Wilson who is supposedly Independent "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."
Steve Woodrow: "the last thing America needed was sympathy for the devil, but here we are"

I could go on and on. Time for you to get your head out of the sand.

[paulxu]

There is video of Harris joking about trump being killed. There are people on your side doing many of the exact same things you accuse the right of doing. Dan Goldman is just the latest "has to be eliminated." Biden "time to put Trump in the bulls-eye"
Maxine Waters "get more confrontational" in reference to Minnesota protestors and encourage more confrontation with Trump officials. Your partisan blinders are insufferable.

Perhaps they are insufferable. But at least try to be realistic.
Biden apologized for his comment, realizing it was a big mistake.
Harris didn't joke about Trump being killed.


As Newsweek previously reported, Harris did not make direct reference to Trump's assassination or death, making the interpretation largely misleading, but that hasn't stopped it from going viral before.
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-joke-donald-trump-dead-ellen-show-viral-1954351

Heated rhetoric can be interpreted in a variety of ways. Often it goes too far.
As when it gins up a crowd to storm the seat of government on a big lie about the "stolen election."
Or closing schools from making up stories about people eating cats and dogs.

For the record, I don't condone any Democrats who would say or do those things.

[Xville]

Perhaps they are insufferable. But at least try to be realistic.
Biden apologized for his comment, realizing it was a big mistake.
Harris didn't joke about Trump being killed.


https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-joke-donald-trump-dead-ellen-show-viral-1954351

Heated rhetoric can be interpreted in a variety of ways. Often it goes too far.
As when it gins up a crowd to storm the seat of government on a big lie about the "stolen election."
Or closing schools from making up stories about people eating cats and dogs.

For the record, I don't condone any Democrats who would say or do those things.

Yet, you turn a blind eye to many of the things that Dems have said. In your previous post, you said they don't condone violence but yet I gave you quotes from dems that were in fact violent.

I guess since Biden apologized that’s all well and good. Nothing to see there, and I guess the other quotes just didn’t happen.

Harris definitely did joke about it. I’m aware of the context, thanks.


Yes thank you for once again pointing out that the right is culpable as well. Thank you for posting about it for the millionth time. As stated, both sides need to knock it off.

[Smails]

But, neither person should have had a weapon. A convicted felon and a 14 year old, whose dad bought him the gun when he was 13.
Perhaps we need tighter gun laws.




What tighter gun laws would have prevented the convicted felon from having a gun? Did he have the gun lawfully?

[xubrew]

What tighter gun laws would have prevented the convicted felon from having a gun? Did he have the gun lawfully?

Good question.

I still think all guns should be fired at the time of purchase and the ballistics entered into a national registry along with the gun's owner. So if he had the gun illegally, then who was it that last had it legally?? And why do they not have it anymore?? Tightening up on things like that would likely help.

Let's also make the penalty for carrying a gun without proper proof that it has been properly fired and registered rather severe.

[GoMuskies]

I still think all guns should be fired at the time of purchase and the ballistics entered into a national registry along with the gun's owner. So if he had the gun illegally, then who was it that last had it legally?? And why do they not have it anymore?? Tightening up on things like that would likely help.


Well, this marks a milestone here at Xavierhoops.com. For the first time ever, someone posted about gun control and actually proposed a concrete gun control measure that doesn't amount to "Do SOMETHING!" or "ban assault weapons" (without knowing how assault weaons are defined).

Personally, I'd be for this one.

[GoMuskies]

Mossad made thousands of Hezbollah pagers explode simultaneously across Lebannon. Don't fuck with Mossad.

[Smails]

Good question.

I still think all guns should be fired at the time of purchase and the ballistics entered into a national registry along with the gun's owner. So if he had the gun illegally, then who was it that last had it legally?? And why do they not have it anymore?? Tightening up on things like that would likely help.

Let's also make the penalty for carrying a gun without proper proof that has not been properly fired and registered rather severe.

As someone who fancies himself as a responsible gun owner, I would 100% get behind something like this.

[Smails]

Well, this marks a milestone here at Xavierhoops.com. For the first time ever, someone posted about gun control and actually proposed a concrete gun control measure that doesn't amount to "Do SOMETHING!" or "ban assault weapons" (without knowing how assault weaons are defined).
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Lol..don't forget the ultimate catch-all "common sense gun reform"

[Smails]

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[Masterofreality]

Perhaps they are insufferable. But at least try to be realistic.
Biden apologized for his comment, realizing it was a big mistake.
Harris didn't joke about Trump being killed.


https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-joke-donald-trump-dead-ellen-show-viral-1954351

Heated rhetoric can be interpreted in a variety of ways. Often it goes too far.
As when it gins up a crowd to storm the seat of government on a big lie about the "stolen election."
Or closing schools from making up stories about people eating cats and dogs.

For the record, I don't condone any Democrats who would say or do those things.

Why is it that only Republican leaders are actually shot…by insane left leaning idiots?
-Steve Scalise
-Ronald Reagan
-Donald Trump

I can’t recall a single Democrat leader being shot since the Kennedy’s.
So who exactly are the maniacs and the ones professing violence????

[GoMuskies]

Gabby Giffords....but the point generally stands.

[Xville]

Universal background checks would be a good start
Reinstitute the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act
Red flag laws enacted and enforced
More regulation around private sales and trace back to original owner

Just a few of the common-sense gun control laws.

And yes, these things are not going to completely solve the issue we have with violent crime and guns in this country...but doesn't mean we should make owning a gun easy.

A whole lot more needs to be done about mental health aside from all of that.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Why is it that only Republican leaders are actually shot…by insane left leaning idiots?
-Steve Scalise
-Ronald Reagan
-Donald Trump

I can’t recall a single Democrat leader being shot since the Kennedy’s.
So who exactly are the maniacs and the ones professing violence????

Giffords was mentioned, Pelosi was attacked with a hammer, Judge Salas' son was killed looking for her and that shooter had Sotomeyor as a target, they just arrested a NM Republican who allegedly planned to shoot democrat politicians because he lost.. The problem is universal.

[bobbiemcgee]

George Wallace, Bobby K , Teddy Roosevelt Clinton got shot at thru a pane of glass

[Masterofreality]

Liberals:
If we could just jail Trump, get rid of MAGA American citizens, pack the Supreme Court, get rid of the Electoral College, ban voter ID always select our Candidates by committee rather than a free vote in Primaries and censor free speech we could save democracy.

Just repeating what Leftist Democrats preach.