Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

Gross

Walz.

Hey peanut. Is it clear enough?

You have to be a very, very special kind of stupid to not see it.

[paulxu]

Nikki Haley on Fox:



“We need him to win, but you’ve gotta go out and do the work, and the one thing that Republicans have to stop: Quit whining about her,” she said.

What are the chances he, or they, stop whining?

[Masterofreality]

Nikki Haley on Fox:



What are the chances he, or they, stop whining?

The same chance that Cackling Kamala has an IQ higher than 60.
That woman is as dumb as a box of rocks.
When will she ever hold an unscripted Press Conference??
The chances of that are as low as her IQ.

[paulxu]

Nikki's response:



It’s not going to win talking about whether she’s dumb.

[GoMuskies]

It's a brilliant strategy for a terrible candidate: get up on stage in front of friendly crowds and essentially say nothing. Let Trump beat himself while not exposing the fact that your candidate is the same one that NO ONE wanted to be President the one time she actually tried to go through a primary.

The problem, of course, is that she may actually become President. And that's not great, either.

[bobbiemcgee]

Just emphasizes nobody wants trump. He's old news

[bobbiemcgee]

Harris has the women's vote, black, Latino, 53 percent of independents and a large percent of "double haters"

[GoMuskies]

So what you're saying is that white men have to save the country AGAIN?!?

j/k as I would NEVER seriously characterize electing Donald Trump President as "saving the country".

[Leghorn]

This makes me sick. Threat to the democracy is all we've heard. But the next president of the country is somebody who has never gotten a vote in a primary. If she starts falling behind, they'll replace her. The elites decides who's next and everybody falls in line lead by the media. Will the democrat's every have a true election again? Trumps has plenty of faults, but at least he was the choice of Republicans by vote. Harris was selected by Obama, Pelosi, and Schumer purely because of money.

[bobbiemcgee]

And yet getting 50 percent of Americas vote

[STL_XUfan]

Elon forgot to put safeguards on his new AI image generator. Should be a pretty entertaining day on the internet as people test the absurd bounds of it.

[Xville]

Harris is about to make a really big mistake today by opening her mouth and speaking on economic policies….

Government control over grocery prices. Holy shit Kamala… open a history book, or go to a high school level economics class.

I wasn’t going to vote in November but this kind of dumb shit may force me to.

[bjf123]

Sadly, too many people also don’t understand economics and will just hear that she’s going after “big business” for their “illegal price gouging” and think it’s a great idea. [emoji2357]


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[Xuperman]

Here's the reality guys....because I am living it.

I have 3 kids in college and they are going to vote. Before the Biden collapse, they were going RFK JR. and convinced me to do the same. NOW, they are totally jacked to vote Harris....REGARDLESS of her past or present policies. They say all of their friends are the same.

So, apparently there is nothing she can say or do that will lose her a vast majority of the young vote.

[Xville]

I can understand their feelings, because when you’re young and “dumb” you really have no idea how the world works. I didn’t. All they hear is free this, free that, government is going to help with x, y, z. It all sounds amazing on the surface… the reality though is terrifying.

In general though you either don’t think about it, or care when you’re young.

[GoMuskies]

My daughter is a sophomore in college in a swing state and will definitely be voting for Trump. I suspect that she won't be in the majority in her peer group.

[noteggs]

Yep as Regan terrifyingly and famously said “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

[noteggs]

Sadly, too many people also don’t understand economics and will just hear that she’s going after “big business” for their “illegal price gouging” and think it’s a great idea. [emoji2357]


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Agree you can make free stuff and sticking it to the man sound very attractive on a teleprompter. The young and uninformed will certainly follow.

I would love to hear her take a hour worth of questions from the press to explain her economic policies. Current and past views. Actually I would pay money to watch from a pure entertainment value alone. Of course, I would like her to speak to the press on anything at this point. Even Venn diagrams.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump again insults military saying metal of honor recipients aren't the same as metal of freedom recipients bcuz they were shot up or dead.

[Xville]

Trump again insults military saying metal of honor recipients aren't the same as metal of freedom recipients bcuz they were shot up or dead.

He's a horrible human being, but at least he doesn't want to bring communism to the US Economy.

[bjf123]

Here's the reality guys....because I am living it.

I have 3 kids in college and they are going to vote. Before the Biden collapse, they were going RFK JR. and convinced me to do the same. NOW, they are totally jacked to vote Harris....REGARDLESS of her past or present policies. They say all of their friends are the same.

So, apparently there is nothing she can say or do that will lose her a vast majority of the young vote.

Other than “orange man bad”, can they articulate why they’re voting for Kamala?


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[noteggs]

Harris is about to make a really big mistake today by opening her mouth and speaking on economic policies….

Government control over grocery prices. Holy shit Kamala… open a history book, or go to a high school level economics class.

I wasn’t going to vote in November but this kind of dumb shit may force me to.

Opinion piece from Wa Po - When your opponent calls you ‘communist,’ maybe don’t propose price controls?

You may need to reconsider your agenda.

[paulxu]

My daughter is a sophomore in college in a swing state and will definitely be voting for Trump. I suspect that she won't be in the majority in her peer group.

It interesting how the culture has changed.
I have 2 daughters (well out of college) and they would never consider voting for Trump.
Was reading a book that reminded me that a fling with a call girl wrecked Eliot Spitzer's career.
Stuff like that was generally off limits to the press for presidents. (Ike, FDR, JFK)
Then Clinton gets a seeming pass on Monica.
Today, Trump can have 3 marriages, screw a porn star and playboy bunny while his wife is home with a newborn, pay hush money, etc.
And it all is seemingly OK to some women voters. Not to my daughters.

[GoMuskies]

Given Kamala's own sordid sexual history, who will your daughter's vote for, then?

[paulxu]

Assuming she didn't pay for it, probably Kamala.

[bobbiemcgee]

Opinion piece from Wa Po - When your opponent calls you ‘communist,’ maybe don’t propose price controls?

You may need to reconsider your agenda.
Typical pub playbook, if you think you're losing, call everybody a commie.

[Xville]

Typical pub playbook, if you think you're losing, call everybody a commie.

You do realize that what she is proposing is 100% right out of the Communist playbook, correct? Or did you miss that part in school?

[noteggs]

Typical pub playbook, if you think you're losing, call everybody a commie.

First of all, Cathrine Rampell is hardly a republican (opinion writer)

Secondly, she probably dislikes Trump as much as you.

Finally, Ville is right about this one.

[Strange Brew]

Typical pub playbook, if you think you're losing, call everybody a commie.

You’re an adorable something.

Still love to watch the Shootout with you out here. Open invite.

[xuwillie]

My 2 daughters both in there 20’s are voting for Trump. Care more about policy’s then the actual person as most politicians are kind of scumbags

[Strange Brew]

My 2 daughters both in there 20’s are voting for Trump. Care more about policy’s then the actual person as most politicians are kind of scumbags

Well, I’m thinking about making the 4 hour trek up to The Boat for the first time in a long time.

There is something very cool about The Boat. I can’t help to shake the feeling we may have met each other at some point.

I’d like to think we’d enjoy a glass of beer at Ragnar’s or preferably the dive on the lower North side of the mountain. That place reminds me of Dana’s!

[paulxu]

The national commander of the VFW on the former president's remarks about the Medal of Honor:


These asinine comments not only diminish the significance of our nation’s highest award for valor, but also crassly characterizes the sacrifices of those who have risked their lives above and beyond the call of duty.

https://www.vfw.org/media-and-events/latest-releases/archives/2024/8/vfw-admonishes-former-president-for-medal-of-honor-remarks

[Muskie in dayton]

So who are y’all voting for? The crotchety old crook narcissist, or the communist incompetent cringy crook?

[Muskie in dayton]

Typical pub playbook, if you think you're losing, call everybody a commie.
Typical dem playbook, since your policy sucks ass you have to put on blinders.

FFS even ultra lib WaPo has now called her out twice on her communism.

[Strange Brew]

The national commander of the VFW on the former president's remarks about the Medal of Honor:



https://www.vfw.org/media-and-events/latest-releases/archives/2024/8/vfw-admonishes-former-president-for-medal-of-honor-remarks

Paul, I had to search to actually find Trump’s comments and after doing so I realized that you are not to be taken seriously.

[paulxu]

Don’t take me seriously. No problem.
But as a lifetime member of the VFW, I would urge you to take the words of the National Commander seriously.
Those weren’t my words. Perhaps you couldn’t tell.
They were his.

[Muskie in dayton]

Don’t take me seriously. No problem.
But as a lifetime member of the VFW, I would urge you to take the words of the National Commander seriously.
Those weren’t my words. Perhaps you couldn’t tell.
They were his.
So wait, you were in a war fighting communism, now you are voting for it?

[paulxu]

Nice deflection.

[Strange Brew]

Don’t take me seriously. No problem.
But as a lifetime member of the VFW, I would urge you to take the words of the National Commander seriously.
Those weren’t my words. Perhaps you couldn’t tell.
They were his.

Thanks.

I happen to know a lot of recent Veterans and I will not speak for them.

My thoughts. The quote is not nearly as nefarious as you make it. It was more about how most MoH winners are awarded posthumously. Which is wrong.

[bobbiemcgee]

His comments are indefensible.

[hoopster68]

Thanks.

I happen to know a lot of recent Veterans and I will not speak for them.

My thoughts. The quote is not nearly as nefarious as you make it. It was more about how most MoH winners are awarded posthumously. Which is wrong.

Exactly what is wrong in honoring deceased heroes? Please be explicit in your response.

[paulxu]

My thoughts. The quote is not nearly as nefarious as you make it. .

Once again for emphasis. I didn't make anything "nefarious."
The words were those of the National Commander of the VFW, speaking on behalf of the total organization of veterans. Not my words.

[Strange Brew]

Once again for emphasis. I didn't make anything "nefarious."
The words were those of the National Commander of the VFW, speaking on behalf of the total organization of veterans. Not my words.

No, however you wet yourself again with a “gotcha” moment.

And that’s why you brought up a nothing comment.

To Hoops. There is nothing GD wrong with giving the MoH to a man who has passed. It would be better if the men got to wear the medal. Just once. And that was the point of the quote.

[bobbiemcgee]

Think you're running out of lipstick for Trump's pig of a statement.

[paulxu]

I brought up an important comment from the head of all foreign wars veterans.
Sorry you found it “nothing.”
It certainly was a gotch comment about a potential commander In chief.
That’s the point. He’s unfit for the job.
Not me saying it: people who served with him and the commander.

[GoMuskies]

Trump is the worst. Except for the alternative put up by the Democrats.

[Xville]

No, however you wet yourself again with a “gotcha” moment.

And that’s why you brought up a nothing comment.

To Hoops. There is nothing GD wrong with giving the MoH to a man who has passed. It would be better if the men got to wear the medal. Just once. And that was the point of the quote.

Trying to defend what trump said is pretty effing stupid.

Trump and Kamala both really suck, it’s ok to admit it. I know it’s difficult for a lot of you

[paulxu]

Trump on tariffs:

A tariff is a tax on a foreign country. A lot of people like to say it’s a tax on us. No… It’s is a tax that doesn’t affect our country.

The Federalist Society on tariffs:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVOaG7hWIAAOPf5?format=jpg&name=large

Is it too late for Fred to get a refund from Wharton?

[Strange Brew]

Trying to defend what trump said is pretty effing stupid.

Trump and Kamala both really suck, it’s ok to admit it. I know it’s difficult for a lot of you

I didn’t know what he said until Paul brought it up.

I happen to think Kamala sucks more.

[Strange Brew]

Trump on tariffs:


The Federalist Society on tariffs:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVOaG7hWIAAOPf5?format=jpg&name=large
D
Is it too late for Fred to get a refund from Wharton?

Don’t try Econ.

Do Gov’t employees actually pay taxes? Baby steps…

[Masterofreality]

Cackling Kamala’s Economic plan.
Slap a 25% tax on UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAIN!
Enact Price controls.
Hand out $25,000 checks to first time home buyers (which will, of course, raise the price of a house by $25,000).
And who pays for all this madness?
Since Kamala refuses to say, I suppose we have to just guess…..

Lunacy in action.

[Smails]

Did anyone happen to catch that the BLS recently corrected their own statistics for 2024 to reflect that the US actually created 820,000 fewer jobs than was originally reported? It represents the largest BLS correction since 2009. How does that happen?... Makes zero sense

[Masterofreality]

Did anyone happen to catch that the BLS recently corrected their own statistics for 2024 to reflect that the US actually created 820,000 fewer jobs than was originally reported? It represents the largest BLS correction since 2009. How does that happen?... Makes zero sense

Because the Democrats exist upon a bed of lies.
“Jobs reinstated” after Covid are not “Jobs Created”.

[Smails]

One side of me thinks that the BLS was inflating stats during an election year to provide false hope/narratives

On the other hand, the BLS would not offer this type of a correction so close to an election if they were in the pocket of the Dems

I think the smart money points to general incompetence, which has been pretty pervasive in our government over the last decade or so.

I'm honestly not sure what we actually do well anymore.

[noteggs]

Well at least we didn’t add as many governmental jobs as originally reported with the adjustment. Oh wait, 1,000 more government jobs were added with the adjusted numbers.

[Muskie in dayton]

The Secretary of Commerce doesn’t know what the Bureau of Labor Statistics is. There is nothing but incompetence in this Administration.

[Muskie in dayton]

Cackling Kamala’s Economic plan.
Slap a 25% tax on UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAIN!
Enact Price controls.
Hand out $25,000 checks to first time home buyers (which will, of course, raise the price of a house by $25,000).
And who pays for all this madness?
Since Kamala refuses to say, I suppose we have to just guess…..

Lunacy in action.
This is completely preposterous. Anyone with any assets to their name who votes for this is a fucking moron.

[Xville]

I dunno what’s dumber unrealized capital gains tax or government controlled pricing.

A non psychotic Republican candidate would be nice

[xuwillie]

This is completely preposterous. Anyone with any assets to their name who votes for this is a fucking moron.


People are finally starting to figure out again how extreme she really is. Why no one liked her in 2020

[Smails]

I dunno what’s dumber unrealized capital gains tax or government controlled pricing.

A non psychotic Republican candidate would be nice


Can I take credit for my unrealized relationship with Selma Hayek in the late 90's?

[STL_XUfan]

This is completely preposterous. Anyone with any assets to their name who votes for this is a fucking moron.
Apparently Muskie in dayton has over $100 million in stock holdings but can’t afford to be a supporting member.

[Masterofreality]

Apparently Muskie in dayton has over $100 million in stock holdings but can’t afford to be a supporting member.

You cannot be that dumb of “the foot in the door” theory.
Once they enact a ludicrous law, it WILL be amended to the masses-because that’s where the real money pool is.
And before you know it……
Incremental takeover is the socialist playbook. And Cackling Kamala is exactly that.

[MADXSTER]

Can I take credit for my unrealized relationship with Selma Hayek in the late 90's?

And how about mine with Brooke Burke

[noteggs]

Cackling Kamala’s Economic plan.
Slap a 25% tax on UNREALIZED CAPITAL GAIN!
Enact Price controls.
Hand out $25,000 checks to first time home buyers (which will, of course, raise the price of a house by $25,000).
And who pays for all this madness?
Since Kamala refuses to say, I suppose we have to just guess…..

Lunacy in action.

Well actually she tried to explain some of it to reporters. Yes she actually attempted to speak with them. As expected, her handlers were controlling the exchange. I know shocking.

Obviously a word salad trying to explain how they will pay for it. For some reason I keep thinking of the words return on investment. Does the government even know what ROl is? No worries the new spending will pay for itself. Sure…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSeCUOJYrHc

[paulxu]

And how about mine with Brooke Burke

Whoa now. I thought that pic was from your dorm room. No?

[Xuperman]

This election is over. This magical Harris deception campaign is unbelievable. The overwhelming leftist forces are unbeatable and Trump hatred is undeniable.

Unless something unthinkable happens linked to illegal immigration.....get used to a far left shift to more DEI, Social Justice, Anti Law Enforcement and more inflation.

This has quickly become a "Feelings" election, when the world is imploding. Everyone happy?

[Smails]

This election is over. This magical Harris deception campaign is unbelievable. The overwhelming leftist forces are unbeatable and Trump hatred is undeniable.

Unless something unthinkable happens linked to illegal immigration.....get used to a far left shift to more DEI, Social Justice, Anti Law Enforcement and more inflation.

This has quickly become a "Feelings" election, when the world is imploding. Everyone happy?

I feel like you could use a stiff drink..or a gummy

[paulxu]

Happy that we might finally be rid of someone who calls soldier "suckers and losers" ?
Who is a sex abuser and convicted felon? Who stole and refused to return government secrets?
Who is hosting an event celebrating felons who stormed the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer off power?

Absolutely.

[Xville]

I feel like you could use a stiff drink..or a gummy

100%. I’ve told him that a few times, and he just gets more upset.

[Xville]

Happy that we might finally be rid of someone who calls soldier "suckers and losers" ?
Who is a sex abuser and convicted felon? Who stole and refused to return government secrets?
Who is hosting an event celebrating felons who stormed the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer off power?

Absolutely.

I’d agree, if Kamala was any better. Sucked a whole lot of dick to get to where she is, and her policies are socialist garbage.

We’d all be better off with a non-psychotic Republican candidate.

With that said, I think she’s going to win, and I’m not sure it’s going to be all that close. Trumps an idiot who still doesn’t understand or maybe just doesn’t care, that he can’t win with just his base.

Republicans would have been very smart to keep him away from politics this election cycle. Maybe now once trump loses yet again, republicans can go back to who they were before this populism nonsense.

[Smails]

Happy that we might finally be rid of someone who calls soldier "suckers and losers" ?
Who is a sex abuser and convicted felon? Who stole and refused to return government secrets?
Who is hosting an event celebrating felons who stormed the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer off power?

Absolutely.

Yes and we're going to replace him with someone who:

Has the IQ of a grapefruit
Spent more time on her knees than she has at the border as czar
Wants to implement price controls on private business
Wants to tax unrealized income
Supported a bail fund to release criminals who have since committed DUI death, arson and that pesky little thing called murder

It's sad to be so blinded by the hatred of one individual that people are oblivious to the trainwreck running against him.

[GoMuskies]

It will be so refreshing someday to have an election where someone says something positive about the candidate they're supporting and doesn't just throw stones at the opposition. And that will only happen if and when we again have candidates for whom there are positive things to say. I definitely don't blame anyone for wanting to focus on their opposition's weaknesses in this election, because those are such a better case for both candidates than any perceived "strengths" either of them may have.

Pray for divided government! The end of Chevron deference might keep the admnisitrative state from doing too much damage, too!

[xuwillie]

I’d agree, if Kamala was any better. Sucked a whole lot of dick to get to where she is, and her policies are socialist garbage.

We’d all be better off with a non-psychotic Republican candidate.

With that said, I think she’s going to win, and I’m not sure it’s going to be all that close. Trumps an idiot who still doesn’t understand or maybe just doesn’t care, that he can’t win with just his base.

Republicans would have been very smart to keep him away from politics this election cycle. Maybe now once trump loses yet again, republicans can go back to who they were before this populism nonsense.

Think it will still be close as it only comes down to 3 states anyways. People are still struggling out there and know Harris is full of shit . She'll get a bump from DNC (not sure why) but that will go away by Oct

[Xville]

Think it will still be close as it only comes down to 3 states anyways. People are still struggling out there and know Harris is full of shit . She'll get a bump from DNC (not sure why) but that will go away by Oct

You may be right. I really don't understand people who love one or the other of these two numbskulls. Some of the women in my neighborhood think Harris is the second coming...these are working white women with nice lifestyles---I literally don't get it. Then there is whole lot of my family who think Trump walks on water---again, I don't get it.

People are messed up.

[xuwillie]

You may be right. I really don't understand people who love one or the other of these two numbskulls. Some of the women in my neighborhood think Harris is the second coming...these are working white women with nice lifestyles---I literally don't get it. Then there is whole lot of my family who think Trump walks on water---again, I don't get it.

People are messed up.

Which is quite funny because as of a few months ago she was rating as the worst VP EVER! Think about that for a second

[Smails]

4 years of gridlock sounds pretty appetizing right about now

[Xuperman]

Happy that we might finally be rid of someone who calls soldier "suckers and losers" ?
Who is a sex abuser and convicted felon? Who stole and refused to return government secrets?
Who is hosting an event celebrating felons who stormed the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer off power?

Absolutely.

People like you will do whatever it takes to get rid of him and achieve that happiness....no price is too high.

Example

Just watched a string of different video clips where Harris passionately repeats the cornerstone of her ideology.....the importance of implementing EQUITY vs equality.

In each segment, almost word for word, she makes it crystal clear. "Not everyone starts life from the same place and those people need to be GIVEN whatever necessary to insure that everyone ENDS UP in the same place."

So go ahead and look forward to your happiness comrade.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump message is buy more 60$ bibles and Golden shoes. He hasn't lined the pockets enough

[Muskie in dayton]

Every Dem here needs to go listen to RFK’s speech today. Your party has become the Bush/Cheney era Republicans…with communism thrown in. And yet you follow along brainlessly, you clowns.

With RFK Jr out, I will now be voting for Trump, only because Democrats suck so badly.

[Xville]

Every Dem here needs to go listen to RFK’s speech today. Your party has become the Bush/Cheney era Republicans…with communism thrown in. And yet you follow along brainlessly, you clowns.

With RFK Jr out, I will now be voting for Trump, only because Democrats suck so badly.

Pot meet kettle. You really shouldn’t be calling anyone a clown when you, yourself was going to vote for mr tin foil hat

[paulxu]

Your campaign may be in trouble when you're reduced to repeating the nonsense about communism about the Democrats, complete with comrade stuff.
Pretty weak. But I know that's what he's been parroting for a long time. So I guess it's taken hold.

[Xville]

Your campaign may be in trouble when you're reduced to repeating the nonsense about communism about the Democrats, complete with comrade stuff.
Pretty weak. But I know that's what he's been parroting for a long time. So I guess it's taken hold.

Price fixing is right out of that playbook. You know that, right? It’s not really weak, when it’s true.

It’s ok to admit all those choices are garbage. You don’t have to turn in your dem card, paul

[GoMuskies]

Your campaign may be in trouble when you're reduced to repeating the nonsense about being a threat to democracy about the Republicans, complete with Handmaid's Tale stuff.
Pretty weak. But I know that's what the media's been parroting for a long time. So I guess it's taken hold.

[paulxu]

Well, it seems like a lot of Republican White House lawyers think Trump is a threat to democracy, per Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lawyers-who-advised-reagan-bush-endorse-harris-over-trump-2024-showdown

Which reminds me again that no Republican heavyweights showed up at their convention to support the nominee.
No Bushes, Romeny, Cheney, etc. Pretty weak. Guess that happens when your own VP won't endorse you.
(Who could blame him when the Magats were trying to hang him on Jan 6th.)

Contrast to the Dem convention where all the heavyweights, and some reasonable Republicans, showed up in support.

[Xuperman]

Your campaign may be in trouble when you're reduced to repeating the nonsense about communism about the Democrats, complete with comrade stuff.
Pretty weak. But I know that's what he's been parroting for a long time. So I guess it's taken hold.

Your campaign is in trouble when your candidate is Donald Trump. There has never been a more despised President other than maybe Lincoln. Biden won for that reason and Harris will also.

But that has nothing to do with the communist style intentions of the far left, of which Harris is a big proponent. Equity is Marxism. Price fixing is Communism. Government run Healthcare is Socialism. A mandatory gun buy back is Insanity.

A Harris Administration will attempt to increase the influence of government wherever possible and that is not really debatable. I truly believe that TDS has infected the electorate to the point that Harris could openly campaign as a Socialist and still win.

[Smails]

Well, it seems like a lot of Republican White House lawyers think Trump is a threat to democracy, per Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lawyers-who-advised-reagan-bush-endorse-harris-over-trump-2024-showdown

Which reminds me again that no Republican heavyweights showed up at their convention to support the nominee.
No Bushes, Romeny, Cheney, etc. Pretty weak. Guess that happens when your own VP won't endorse you.
(Who could blame him when the Magats were trying to hang him on Jan 6th.)

Contrast to the Dem convention where all the heavyweights, and some reasonable Republicans, showed up in support.

What are your thoughts on price controls on private business? Is that a concept you support?

[paulxu]

What do price controls have to do with the Republican nominee being noted as unfit for office by people who worked with him?

Apparently Fox didn't let the audio feed come through for any of those speakers, so you may not have heard them.

[GoMuskies]

This election is just hilariously sad.

[paulxu]

Remember when former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan was the voice of reason and a serious person to pay attention to?


Fox News buried comments Paul Ryan made on the network in which the former Republican House speaker and current director of Fox News’ parent company said Donald Trump’s willingness to “suborn” the Constitution makes him “unfit for office.”

https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-news-buried-paul-ryan-denouncing-donald-trump-unfit-office

[GoMuskies]

If only the Democrats would have picked someone who is fit for office.

Seems like a refrain we've been hearing for years now and we're going to hear non-stop for two and a half more months at least: Mine is slightly less shitty than yours!

[paulxu]

You may be right. But…you don’t hear nationally prominent Dems or people who worked with Harris saying she’s unfit.

And when a former president and his own VP won’t endorse, I would think that would give reasonable Republicans cause for concern.

[GoMuskies]

I think everyone has cause for concern.

[Xville]

You may be right. But…you don’t hear nationally prominent Dems or people who worked with Harris saying she’s unfit.

And when a former president and his own VP won’t endorse, I would think that would give reasonable Republicans cause for concern.

Trump this trump that. We know, Paul.

That doesn’t take away from how horrible of a candidate Harris is. Do you not have a problem with socialism/communism? I mean we don’t over 4 decades fighting it, but I guess it’s ok now according to you since you seem to not have issues with her.

[Smails]

What do price controls have to do with the Republican nominee being noted as unfit for office by people who worked with him?

Apparently Fox didn't let the audio feed come through for any of those speakers, so you may not have heard them.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. I'm asking for your opinion on one of the big platform pieces that the candidate you support has pushed forward. What are your thoughts on the federal government putting pricing restrictions on private industry?

[paulxu]

I would not favor price controls.
But do favor a well regulated market to prevent situations like 2008, and to guard against out of control monopolies.
The recent inflation revealed a significant portion attributable to large companies taking advantage with price increases far in excess of the cost of goods through the distressed supply chains.
And we all paid for it.

[UCGRAD4X]

You may be right. But…you don’t hear nationally prominent Dems or people who worked with Harris saying she’s unfit.

And when a former president and his own VP won’t endorse, I would think that would give reasonable Republicans cause for concern.

The party never got the opportunity to decide. She was anointed by default.

[Muskie in dayton]

Pot meet kettle. You really shouldn’t be calling anyone a clown when you, yourself was going to vote for mr tin foil hat
You don’t vote for anyone. Go fuck yourself you gutless, nutless dolt.

[Xville]

You don’t vote for anyone. Go fuck yourself you gutless, nutless dolt.

Maybe if others followed, we wouldn’t be in the position that we are in.

[Xville]

I would not favor price controls.
But do favor a well regulated market to prevent situations like 2008, and to guard against out of control monopolies.
The recent inflation revealed a significant portion attributable to large companies taking advantage with price increases far in excess of the cost of goods through the distressed supply chains.
And we all paid for it.

Recent inflation had little to do with supply chains. It was mostly the geniusness of our government printing money. There was little reason for it.

[Xuperman]

Anyone else think Walz is goofy and annoying? I mean this over the top convention enthusiasm came off as really phony. All the prayer hands and bowing. I fully expected him to make the heart shape. Reminded me of Richard Simmons/Bill Walton. Just another Dem cartoon character.

[Smails]

I would not favor price controls.
But do favor a well regulated market to prevent situations like 2008, and to guard against out of control monopolies.
The recent inflation revealed a significant portion attributable to large companies taking advantage with price increases far in excess of the cost of goods through the distressed supply chains.
And we all paid for it.


Interesting. I don't think you understand how this last inflation cycle happened but that's a different conversation. At least we can agree that one of Harris' major platform talking points is complete garbage.

[bjf123]

Interesting. I don't think you understand how this last inflation cycle happened but that's a different conversation. At least we can agree that one of Harris' major platform talking points is complete garbage.

The last platform I saw talked about Biden’s second term. Have they released one with Harris at the top?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Anyone else think Walz is goofy and annoying? I mean this over the top convention enthusiasm came off as really phony. All the prayer hands and bowing. I fully expected him to make the heart shape. Reminded me of Richard Simmons/Bill Walton. Just another Dem cartoon character.
He served 24 years in the Guard. If you're looking for gutless, try Mr. Bones spurs.

[xuwillie]

Anyone else think Walz is goofy and annoying? I mean this over the top convention enthusiasm came off as really phony. All the prayer hands and bowing. I fully expected him to make the heart shape. Reminded me of Richard Simmons/Bill Walton. Just another Dem cartoon character.

It's so strange. Their strategy is to be weird and joyful instead of actual policy. I guess that's fine for a lot of voters.

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you think Project 2025 is fine for voters?

[bjf123]

Do you think Project 2025 is fine for voters?

It’s been awhile since I saw a recap of it. An employment lawyer I follow reviewed a number of employee related items. There were a few items I like, but a lot of it was ridiculous.


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[Leghorn]

The party never got the opportunity to decide. She was anointed by default.

This is what bugs the sh!t out me. At least Trump won the primary. For the 3rd straight time, the Dems didn't have a true a primary. We keep hearing about a threat to the democracy, but the Dems haven't had a true primary in 12 years. A few elites makes the decision, and everybody falls in line.

[bjf123]

This is what bugs the sh!t out me. At least Trump won the primary. For the 3rd straight time, the Dems didn't have a true a primary. We keep hearing about a threat to the democracy, but the Dems haven't had a true primary in 12 years. A few elites makes the decision, and everybody falls in line.

In 2016, didn’t they create “super delegates” to make sure Hillary won? What did they do in 2020?


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[Leghorn]

Yes.

[Xuperman]

Do you think Project 2025 is fine for voters?

Ignorant question from a typical MSNBC programmed Democrat lemming. Name me ONE candidate, for any office, that embraces P2025.

Try adjusting to reality and focus on if DEI and CRT is "fine" for voters. Those concepts are wholeheartedly and specifically embraced by nearly every Dem campaign. Literally paramount to all progressive ideology.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well 140 trump people wrote 2025, what would you say

[Xuperman]

Well 140 trump people wrote 2025, what would you say

That literally no politician running for any office is campaigning on it. In fact, it appears that even mentioning P2025 is being totally avoided.

Now DEI for progressives is gospel and proudly embraced. Nothing but a big middle finger to a MERIT based America. Comprende' Comrade?

[UCGRAD4X]

This is what bugs the sh!t out me. At least Trump won the primary. For the 3rd straight time, the Dems didn't have a true a primary. We keep hearing about a threat to the democracy, but the Dems haven't had a true primary in 12 years. A few elites makes the decision, and everybody falls in line.

Not enforcing immigration laws...
Legislating from the oval office...
Unelected bureaucrats setting and enforcing policy...
Weaponinzing law enforcement against opposition...
Directing Big-Tech to censor political opponents...
eliminating the filibuster...
packing the supreme court and limiting their terms...

[bobbiemcgee]

The scotus has already been packed. See Roe. Do you love the 20 percent tariff on everything. A Prius will cost 100k

[GoMuskies]

The scotus has already been packed. See Roe.

The Supreme Court was packed when Roe was decided?

I do agree that the Supreme Court currently is packed...with excellence.

[bobbiemcgee]

More like packed with corruption with Thomas and alito

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you think the 57 million SS recipients will love the tariff?

[paulxu]

Well some stable genius said that we don't pay the tariffs...the other country does.

So there.

[noteggs]

Not a big fan of tariffs. Mainly because US industries are too addicted to their cheap crap to be effective IMO. However, China tariffs are a bipartisan issue. Biden left Trump’s tariffs in place and actually increased them. Yes I know Biden said he would get rid of them on the campaign trail.

Finally, wonder how the 57 million SS recipients feel about 20% inflation over the last 3 and half years? Talk about a budget buster.

[paulxu]

Interesting how some people who were at one time very critical, have now endorsed the former president.
I guess maybe they're angling for a spot in the administration if he wins.

[GoMuskies]

Or perhaps they saw the alternative to Trump and holy shit it's fucking Kamala Harris.

[paulxu]

Could be. But that doesn't explain all the high level people like Pence who went the other way.

[GoMuskies]

Could be. But that doesn't explain all the high level people like Pence who went the other way.

Sure it does. They looked at the alternative to Kamala Harris, and oh shit it's fucking Donald Trump.

[bobbiemcgee]

Not a big fan of tariffs. Mainly because US industries are too addicted to their cheap crap to be effective IMO. However, China tariffs are a bipartisan issue. Biden left Trump’s tariffs in place and actually increased them. Yes I know Biden said he would get rid of them on the campaign trail.

Finally, wonder how the 57 million SS recipients feel about 20% inflation over the last 3 and half years? Talk about a budget buster.

We got cost of living adjustments to cover it

[Xville]

Sure it does. They looked at the alternative to Kamala Harris, and oh shit it's fucking Donald Trump.

Also…. Politics

[bjf123]

Well some stable genius said that we don't pay the tariffs...the other country does.

So there.

Now if we can only get the other side of the aisle to understand that corporations don’t a really pay taxes either.


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[paulxu]

I think she may be winning the crossover battle:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/26/bush-mccain-romney-trump-harris-2024/74947380007/

[xuwillie]

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall?utm_campaign=editorial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[GoMuskies]

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall?utm_campaign=editorial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Will Mexico pay for it?

[bjf123]

Will Mexico pay for it?

Anyone want to bet that if she’s elected, she goes back to being against building a wall, against fracking, and in favor of Medicare for all?


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[xuwillie]

Anyone want to bet that if she’s elected, she goes back to being against building a wall, against fracking, and in favor of Medicare for all?


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Just think they pretty much ran on no border wall, trump being a racist and covid (thanks to Zuckerberg) and still won. I don't think any of the above mentioned are actual policies they intend to do but people will still believe them

[noteggs]

We got cost of living adjustments to cover it

I’m glad seniors get COLA. Do you honestly think getting $1,000ish a year is going to cover the $10,000ish increase for goods and services? Heck in 2022 Medicare partially offset those adjustments by record increase (14.5%) in standard part B premiums alone.

[paulxu]

Is this a former president of our great country...or a grifter hawking his latest wares...trying to out-pillow the my pillow guy.
People around the world must be laughing at us; and they should.


https://x.com/i/status/1828451144508600491

[Xuperman]

Is this a former president of our great country...or a grifter hawking his latest wares...trying to out-pillow the my pillow guy.
People around the world must be laughing at us; and they should.


https://x.com/i/status/1828451144508600491

Man, what a leftist dolt. That barely registers on the international laugh meter.

What pins the needle is leaving behind BILLIONS in fine USA military equipment along with the shattered lives of 13 GOLD STAR families. An intentional open border is up there as well.

When a cackling DEI moron is handed the POTUS.....it will snap off that needle.

[Xuperman]

Happy that we might finally be rid of someone who calls soldier "suckers and losers" ?

And try not to expose yourself again as a TDS basketcase with this absurd fabricated lie.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

Seek out help.....before you vote this time.

[bobbiemcgee]

I’m glad seniors get COLA. Do you honestly think getting $1,000ish a year is going to cover the $10,000ish increase for goods and services? Heck in 2022 Medicare partially offset those adjustments by record increase (14.5%) in standard part B premiums alone.
Yeah, 22 a month and cola was 9.7 in '23 on the avg SS check. Now trump sez the tariff will be 60 percent on China

[paulxu]

And try not to expose yourself again as a TDS basketcase with this absurd fabricated lie.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

Seek out help.....before you vote this time.

Snopes didn't say it was an "absurd, fabricated lie." Did you even bother to read the article you linked to?
They said they could not "independently verify the claim."

I'll go with General Kelly's remarks, rather than a guy who has 30,000 documented lies and misleading claims in 4 years.

And once again, he disrespects our troops for a photo op at Arlington.

[Xuperman]

The real absurdity is the frequency that Dems present this lie as fact and the ridiculous number of TDS infected people like you that constantly repeat the same.

[Xuperman]

Besides, Trump says plenty enough stupid shit publically.....coming directly out of his mouth for you Dems to quote.

[Xville]

The real absurdity is the frequency that Dems present this lie as fact and the ridiculous number of TDS infected people like you that constantly repeat the same.

You have no idea if it’s a lie or not. Based on what that idiot has said for a fact about military servicemen and people like John McCain, it’s more probable he said it than not.

Why do you continue to make excuses for someone so despicable, it’s as weird as Paul acting like Kamala is the answer to all our problems.

[Smails]

Glad to see that Kamala Harris is finally going to do an interview...on CNN...with Waltz there to back her up

Now that's the show of strength that the American people need. Complete clown show this entire election cycle is

[bjf123]

Glad to see that Kamala Harris is finally going to do an interview...on CNN...with Waltz there to back her up

Now that's the show of strength that the American people need. Complete clown show this entire election cycle is

I saw somewhere that they’re recording the interview today for broadcast tomorrow. I’d love to see the unedited version. Wonder how much CNN will edit it to make her look exceptional?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Hds?

[Xuperman]

Hds?

YES. It is going to be a GLOBAL PANDEMIC if this air head becomes POTUS.

[Xuperman]

Glad to see that Kamala Harris is finally going to do an interview...on CNN...with Waltz there to back her up

Now that's the show of strength that the American people need. Complete clown show this entire election cycle is

Where you been? This "clown show" seems to be a turd that won't flush.

The marquee in bright lights reads....."Fundamentally Transform America".....opening act 1/20/2009.

[paulxu]

Glad to see that Kamala Harris is finally going to do an interview...on CNN...with Waltz there to back her up

Now that's the show of strength that the American people need. Complete clown show this entire election cycle is

Was that the case when Trump did interviews with Vance and Pence? Or Obama with Biden?

[paulxu]

JD Vance says teachers who do not have biological children “disorient and really disturb” him: “She should have some of her own [children]”

(Don't let Sister Rose Ann Fleming see this.)

[noteggs]

Was that the case when Trump did interviews with Vance and Pence? Or Obama with Biden?

Sorry but this made me LMAO! Needed that. Thank you!

[Xuperman]

Sorry but this made me LMAO! Needed that. Thank you!

Nothing in the history of politics can top any LMAO more than the Harris/Walz TACO SUMMIT.:tumbleweeds:

[Smails]

Was that the case when Trump did interviews with Vance and Pence? Or Obama with Biden?

Kinda sorta.... Trump gave an average of 4 solo interviews to various news sources (including a town hall hosted by CNN of all networks) during his 2 campaign cycles. Both of them on top of the joint/ticket interviews they did with their running mates. I don't think that being accessible to the media during an election run up is a hill you want to die on but my all means, let's discuss.

[Xville]

All of this could have been avoided had the RNC not allowed Trump to be in the primaries. They are the ones who effed this up. Haley's prophecy will most likely prove to be correct. "Whichever party retires their 80 year old candidate first, will win."

Don't agree with Haley on everything but she could have been the nominee and the first female president. Instead its probably going to be Kamala. Yikes.

[GoMuskies]

How were the Republicans going to not let him run in the primaries? The Republican Party is held hostage by....a significant majority of its members. Not my choice, for sure, but that's how it really should work. Political party operatives shouldn't pick the candidates for the party's members (which party might have done that, I wonder....).

[GoMuskies]

Kinda sorta.... Trump gave an average of 4 solo interviews to various news sources (including a town hall hosted by CNN of all networks) during his 2 campaign cycles. Both of them on top of the joint/ticket interviews they did with their running mates. I don't think that being accessible to the media during an election run up is a hill you want to die on but my all means, let's discuss.

Donald Trump went to the National Association of Black Journalists. Imagine Kamala going to a similarly hostile envrionment. I guess we'll have to imagine it, because she'd never do it.

[Xville]

How were the Republicans going to not let him run in the primaries? The Republican Party is held hostage by....a significant majority of its members. Not my choice, for sure, but that's how it really should work. Political party operatives shouldn't pick the candidates for the party's members (which party might have done that, I wonder....).

The rnc could have buried him a long time ago, they chose not to. Why? Because the majority members that aren’t insane, are wimps, and the vocal minority as you stated control the party right now. I think secondly is that the rnc thought trump was politically dead about a year and a half ago, and they just let him run because the idiot American public couldn’t possibly vote him in again. Jokes on them, or all of us I guess.

I mean really political operatives pick candidates for both parties for the most part. Donors are told who to donate to, suggested candidates are told if they can actually run or not etc. I know there’s a primary process but it’s a little bit of an illusion.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think it's a "vocal minority". Trump crushed his Republican opposition. It's not like he squeaked through the primary.

If the RNC wouldn't have let Trump run, he would have run as an independent and completely destroyed them. He'd have had no chance to win the general election, of course, but Biden would have stayed in the race and won about 45 states, Trump would have won 4, and the Republican would have won Utah.

[Xville]

I don't think it's a "vocal minority". Trump crushed his Republican opposition. It's not like he squeaked through the primary.

If the RNC wouldn't have let Trump run, he would have run as an independent and completely destroyed them. He'd have had no chance to win the general election, of course, but Biden would have stayed in the race and won about 45 states, Trump would have won 4, and the Republican would have won Utah.

Oh I meant the vocal minority of the republicans, not the primary voters who are idiots

[Xville]

I don't think it's a "vocal minority". Trump crushed his Republican opposition. It's not like he squeaked through the primary.

If the RNC wouldn't have let Trump run, he would have run as an independent and completely destroyed them. He'd have had no chance to win the general election, of course, but Biden would have stayed in the race and won about 45 states, Trump would have won 4, and the Republican would have won Utah.

IMO Haley probably wins the primary and all republicans would have ended up backing her, because she would have won in a landslide in the general.

I don’t think trump would have run as an independent, maybe I’m wrong though

[GoMuskies]

I don’t think trump would have run as an independent, maybe I’m wrong though

If the Republicans had banned him from the primary, I'm almost certain he'd have done one of two things: (i) run as an inpendent; or (ii) endorse Joe Biden. He would have been absolutely hell-bent on preventing any Republican from winning if he had been "wronged" like that. He probably would have cost Republicans the House and Senate, too.

[xuwillie]

I don't think it's a "vocal minority". Trump crushed his Republican opposition. It's not like he squeaked through the primary.

If the RNC wouldn't have let Trump run, he would have run as an independent and completely destroyed them. He'd have had no chance to win the general election, of course, but Biden would have stayed in the race and won about 45 states, Trump would have won 4, and the Republican would have won Utah.

This. Trump wouldn’t just walk away if he lost to Haley, he would have screwed over the Republican Parry and run as an independent. They really had no other choice but to let him do his thing

[paulxu]

I don't think today's Republican "party" is just that, in the most common use of that term.
When you have family members running the organization...it's become a popular personality cult.
Maybe nothing wrong with that, but it's not a "party."

[Xville]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone. At least, I'd like to think so.

My hope is we have gridlock for four years, and then we can go back to having candidates that at least we all don't feel like vomiting when we are voting.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not optimistic.

[STL_XUfan]

If the Republicans had banned him from the primary, I'm almost certain he'd have done one of two things: (i) run as an inpendent; or (ii) endorse Joe Biden. He would have been absolutely hell-bent on preventing any Republican from winning if he had been "wronged" like that. He probably would have cost Republicans the House and Senate, too.
A promise of a pardon/terminating federal investigations may have been enough of a carrot to keep him from waging war on the nominee.

[xuwillie]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone. At least, I'd like to think so.

My hope is we have gridlock for four years, and then we can go back to having candidates that at least we all don't feel like vomiting when we are voting.

We disagree on this. He was polling a lot worse in '16 and '20 compared to now. But with him and his mouth a lot can change in 60 days

[Smails]

One good thing if Trump loses again, which I think he will, his control over the party will be about gone.

I'm not sure he loses but we'll see. If he loses I hope he'll have run his political course (like a virus) but I think he'll remain a major player in GOP politics as far as endorsements and great sound bites moving forward. At least he won't be a 'threat to democracy' anymore, which I think we can all agree is a very real thing to be paranoid about.

[paulxu]

Who would have thought that lawyers who worked in the White House for Reagan, and the Bushes, were so paranoid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lawyers-who-advised-reagan-bush-endorse-harris-over-trump-2024-showdown

[xuwillie]

That was not a great 18min interview by Harris.

[X-band '01]

We disagree on this. He was polling a lot worse in '16 and '20 compared to now. But with him and his mouth a lot can change in 60 days

Polling has changed a lot because of 2016. The polls we usually see had Hillary winning by a landslide, but internal polls from the Trump camp showed that they had a chance to win blue-wall states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania that Hillary Clinton neglected until it was too late (or totally neglected in the case of Wisconsin). Privately, Trump was being warned that 2020 would paint a different picture, but he stuck his head in the sand and he's following the same playbook for 2024.

Republicans are likely going to be furious on 3 different levels. They're probably going to lose the Presidency and the House and may not do better than a 50-50 Senate. They should have a golden opportunity to pick up multiple seats, yet the only one that's a slam dunk is West Virginia. Even that could be negated if Republicans lose the Senate seat in Florida.

I'll let Dash and the other Floridians speak about their own Senate race, but I'd have to think that a) the abortion initiative on the Florida ballot and b) the anger over rising housing/HOA costs is going to cost Republicans in some form or another. Rick Scott has never won a statewide race by more than 1-2% from what I've read.

[Xville]

I'm not sure he loses but we'll see. If he loses I hope he'll have run his political course (like a virus) but I think he'll remain a major player in GOP politics as far as endorsements and great sound bites moving forward. At least he won't be a 'threat to democracy' anymore, which I think we can all agree is a very real thing to be paranoid about.

I mean this would be basically the third election in a row he’d lose. 20, the supposed red wave of 22, and ‘24. You’d have to think at that point the republicans would get rid of him and his ideology completely. At least I’d hope so. I don’t like being a political orphan but as long as trump is in any kind of power, I guess I will be.

[Smails]

Who would have thought that lawyers who worked in the White House for Reagan, and the Bushes, were so paranoid.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-lawyers-who-advised-reagan-bush-endorse-harris-over-trump-2024-showdown

Lol.. Paul, since this is a narrative that you have clung to for a few years now: I'd like to hear in your words (no articles) how you think that Donald Trump is a legitimate threat to Democracy. How do you feel that he will be able to circumvent the checks and balances we have in place and completely change the structure of the US Federal Government?

[Smails]

I mean this would be basically the third election in a row he’d lose. 20, the supposed red wave of 22, and ‘24. You’d have to think at that point the republicans would get rid of him and his ideology completely. At least I’d hope so. I don’t like being a political orphan but as long as trump is in any kind of power, I guess I will be.

Political orphan...good stuff there.

[paulxu]

Lol.. Paul, since this is a narrative that you have clung to for a few years now: I'd like to hear in your words (no articles) how you think that Donald Trump is a legitimate threat to Democracy. How do you feel that he will be able to circumvent the checks and balances we have in place and completely change the structure of the US Federal Government?

I was going to respond, and then it occurred to me that you can't have been aware of the years since 2015.
Really, if you go back through my comments in the thread, you'll find a lot of answers to your question, especially around January 6th.
Since then he's been indicted multiple times, in multiple jurisdictions (state and federal), been convicted of 34 felonies, and had his SC buddies give him a big boost with an immunity ruling that would allow him to run roughshod if he gets back in. The fact that so many highly regarded Republicans agree with me should give you pause for concern.

A better question would be how can you vote for a convicted criminal, serial liar, and sexual abuser to be president of our country?

[xubrew]

I mean this would be basically the third election in a row he’d lose. 20, the supposed red wave of 22, and ‘24. You’d have to think at that point the republicans would get rid of him and his ideology completely. At least I’d hope so. I don’t like being a political orphan but as long as trump is in any kind of power, I guess I will be.

The issue seems to be that Trump's supporters that are on the fringe are the minority of the GOP (perhaps by quite a bit), but there are still enough of them to where the GOP needs them to win elections. If they don't back Trump, they'll lose the votes of those on the fringe. That's...well...not fortunate.

[xubrew]

Lol.. Paul, since this is a narrative that you have clung to for a few years now: I'd like to hear in your words (no articles) how you think that Donald Trump is a legitimate threat to Democracy. How do you feel that he will be able to circumvent the checks and balances we have in place and completely change the structure of the US Federal Government?

Does the fact that he's trying to claim the election was stolen when it wasn't, and making phone calls asking for them to "find votes," and trying to disrupt the certification in the hopes of having the election declared technically invalid a concern for you?? Maybe he can't legitimately threaten Democracy, but the fact that he's made the attempts that he has should be a disqualifier to anyone who actually values Democracy.

I hate to make a comparison to sports, but if some lunatic AD tries to threaten whoever it is that's working the scoreboard so that it shows his team wins regardless of what actually happened during the game, and then tries to declare that his team did win when it didn't, this person may not be a legitimate threat to athletics, but it's still someone that clearly has no business ever being in athletics again. That's how I kind of look at Trump and the bullshit he tried to pull the last time.

[bobbiemcgee]

Vance isn't helping saying crazy stuff about women and teachers. All my grade school teachers were childless . They were Nuns.

[STL_XUfan]

Happy to see Trump come out yesterday in favor of the Florida abortion referendum and requiring insurance to cover IVF treatment. Would love to see the Democrats bring forward bills on both of those issues to see if the rest of the Republican caucus is going to follow his lead.

[Xville]

Saying trump is a threat to democracy is the same as saying that about Harris. They both could be, but they aren’t because of the way our government is set up thankfully.

Harris communist proposals are just as scary as anything trump would do.

[Smails]

Saying trump is a threat to democracy is the same as saying that about Harris. They both could be, but they aren’t because of the way our government is set up thankfully.

Harris communist proposals are just as scary as anything trump would do.

This is my point.

Brew- I'm looking at it in the literal sense that people have been clinging to for years. It's completely ridiculous.

January 6th was an abomination, but at no point was our Democracy in peril. People got what they deserved and at no time was our system of government hanging in the balance. Making efforts to overturn an election is a disgrace, but it didn't happen. Wonder why? We have measures in place to stop things like that and they worked. The only real threat to our democracy would have to happen militarily via a foreign invasion or a coup..last time I checked that's not on the table. No single person can threaten our democracy and to think otherwise is ridiculous. This 'threat to democracy' narrative is soooo lazy.

[Smails]

I was going to respond, and then it occurred to me that you can't have been aware of the years since 2015.
Really, if you go back through my comments in the thread, you'll find a lot of answers to your question, especially around January 6th.
Since then he's been indicted multiple times, in multiple jurisdictions (state and federal), been convicted of 34 felonies, and had his SC buddies give him a big boost with an immunity ruling that would allow him to run roughshod if he gets back in. The fact that so many highly regarded Republicans agree with me should give you pause for concern.

A better question would be how can you vote for a convicted criminal, serial liar, and sexual abuser to be president of our country?

Nothing you bring up (as usual) supports Donald Trump being a threat to Democracy. What does being indicted have to to with destroying our system of government? Immunity from prosecution does not give him or anyone else the ability to destroy our Democracy. Do you not believe that we have the necessary checks and balances in place to prevent the overthrow of our Government? We do.

To your last question: I'm not sure who I'm voting for or if I'm voting at all. The choices are gross. I'm not sure where you got the notion that I'm voting for Trump. Calling you out on being a partisan hack incapable of recognizing or admitting the flaws on both sides of the aisle doesn't make me a Trump supporter....far from it.

Now let's do you: I assume you voted for Biden (serial liar and accused sexual abuser) Bill Clinton (proven sexual abuser and serial liar) and Hillary (never convicted but let's be real about her being a criminal)? If that's the case and these things are so near and dear to your soul, how can you live with yourself?

People who claim moral high ground and then dig their heels in so deep on one side of the political spectrum absolutely fascinate me.

[bobbiemcgee]

Happy to see Trump come out yesterday in favor of the Florida abortion referendum and requiring insurance to cover IVF treatment. Would love to see the Democrats bring forward bills on both of those issues to see if the rest of the Republican caucus is going to follow his lead.

I find it amusing you are "happy' to see trump support the liberal view after he was pounding his chest when he got rid of ROE. The evangelicals are 83% opposed to this bill. Will he lose any votes there or will they all be hipocrites and vote for him anyway.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religious-landscape-study/database/religious-tradition/evangelical-protestant/views-about-abortion/

[Xville]

I find it amusing you are "happy' to see trump support the liberal view after he was pounding his chest when he got rid of ROE. The evangelicals are a 100% opposed to this bill. Will he lose any votes there or will they all be hipocrites and vote for him anyway.

I find it amusing to see Kamala support the conservative view after she was pounding her chest about the wall.

The liberals are 100% opposed to the wall. Will she lose any votes there or will they all be hypocrites and vote for her anyway?

[GoMuskies]

I find it amusing you are "happy' to see trump support the liberal view after he was pounding his chest when he got rid of ROE.

Why are you amused that someone who is clearly a Democrat is happy to see Trump support a more liberal position?

[bobbiemcgee]

I think he would be surpised you labeled him as a Dem.

[paulxu]

If the "threat to democracy" is "sooo lazy", why do hundreds of Republicans who served in Reagan and Bush administrations, and high level officials who served in the White House with Trump think the same as I do?

Guess they're just lazy people.

[STL_XUfan]

I think he would be surpised you labeled him as a Dem.
Not really. Been pretty clear that I will be voting Democrat. I have policy differences with both sides of the aisle but I lean more left than right on most issues.

[Xville]

If the "threat to democracy" is "sooo lazy", why do hundreds of Republicans who served in Reagan and Bush administrations, and high level officials who served in the White House with Trump think the same as I do?

Guess they're just lazy people.

It’s pretty simple. They just don’t like him so they say stupid shit like that, to convince stupid people not to vote for him. I can’t stand trump either but I understand how our government works.

[bobbiemcgee]

I find it amusing to see Kamala support the conservative view after she was pounding her chest about the wall.

She won't lose any votes on the left and may gain a bunch on the right and with independents. Savvy move. Upset the pubs.

[GoMuskies]

Even that could be negated if Republicans lose the Senate seat in Florida.


Hogan has a better chance of winning in Maryland than Mucarsal-Powell does in Florida.

And Hogan ain't winning Maryland.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hogan has a better chance of winning in Maryland than Mucarsal-Powell does in Florida.

And Hogan ain't winning Maryland.

Rick Scott presided over the largest medicare fraud in history 1.7 BILLION $ then paid himself a huge severance to get fired. He only wins by 1-2% but think Florida voters are sick of his corruption.

[paulxu]

So much for "only the best people."

[Xville]

She won't lose any votes on the left and may gain a bunch on the right and with independents. Savvy move. Upset the pubs.

Swing and a miss.

[Smails]

If the "threat to democracy" is "sooo lazy", why do hundreds of Republicans who served in Reagan and Bush administrations, and high level officials who served in the White House with Trump think the same as I do?

Guess they're just lazy people.

Not lazy people, just typical political operatives who will back a lazy narrative in order to get someone they don't like out of the White House.

I'm interested in hearing how you think Trump can destroy our system of government without being checked. Care to outline that?

[Xville]

Hogan has a better chance of winning in Maryland than Mucarsal-Powell does in Florida.

And Hogan ain't winning Maryland.

If you believe in this sort of thing, polls show a dead heat. Hogan is extremely well liked, may be enough for him to win despite people just voting for the letter after the candidates name.

[GoMuskies]

I know the poll is a dead heat, but it's the same reason Tester is going to end up losing in Montana. Maryland folks who like Hogan still want the Democrats to keep the majority in the Senate. Just like people in Montana who like Tester want Republicams to have a Senate majority.

I'd absolutely trade Scott for Hogan. That would be fantastic. But count of Scott winning and Hogan losing.

[paulxu]

Not lazy people, just typical political operatives who will back a lazy narrative in order to get someone they don't like out of the White House.

I'm interested in hearing how you think Trump can destroy our system of government without being checked. Care to outline that?

I'm hopeful he can't destroy it. But he is a clear threat to the operation of our government under the constitution.
We're you here on January 6th when he asked his own VP to illegally stop the peaceful transfer of power.
If he's back in the WH with the wide immunity the office seems to have been granted, I think he'd would do a lot of damage to the Justice Dept, and of course probably kill the investigations into his crimes.
That seems like a threat to me...and to a lot of people who weren't "political operatives."
Here's an example:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/conservative-republican-endorses-harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy/index.html

[bjf123]

Now let's do you: I assume you voted for Biden (serial liar and accused sexual abuser) Bill Clinton (proven sexual abuser and serial liar) and Hillary (never convicted but let's be real about her being a criminal)? If that's the case and these things are so near and dear to your soul, how can you live with yourself?

People who claim moral high ground and then dig their heels in so deep on one side of the political spectrum absolutely fascinate me.

Beat me to it! As for Trump being a convicted felon, I doubt that survives appeal.


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[bobbiemcgee]

trump is CONVICTED of sexual assault. Also he has as many votes as he is going to get right now. Btw, has anyone told u Biden and Clinton aren't trunning?

[Strange Brew]

trump is CONVICTED of sexual assault. Also he has as many votes as he is going to get right now. Btw, has anyone told u Biden and Clinton aren't trunning?

What do you think of Sabo’s “street art” in and around Colfax in Aurora, CO?

And he wasn’t CONVICTED of that. No wonder our Legal system is in shambles.

Grabs popcorn…;)

[bobbiemcgee]

Sabo is a Republican activist, so why would I care.

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like trump is trying hard to lose the pro-life vote.

[paulxu]

For the nuns!


Unearthed video: JD Vance attacks women “who can't have kids” because they “passed the biological period when it was possible” as “miserable” people who “have no real value system” and struggle to find “meaning”

[paulxu]

Sweet Jesus! There's absolutely no bottom on anything. Also, does this belong in a basketball thread?


During his 90-minute speech in Johnstown, Mr. Trump coined a term for his meandering off-the-cuff remarks — and insisted that they were strategic.

“You know, I do the weave,” he said. “You know what ‘the weave’ is? I’ll talk about like nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like — and friends of mine that are like English professors, they say, ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen.’”

If they're "like" English professors, I'm guessing they're not real English professors.

[X-band '01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2_62C6GQ_E

Somewhere, in an alternate universe, the Bell Riots are about to take place in San Francisco this weekend.

[Muskie in dayton]

Kamala has released the fury of 13 dead soldiers’ families after her shit-post about Trump attending their memorial at Arlington that they invited him to attend.

The issue is not that they were left to die 3 years ago, or that Harris refuses to acknowledge them, but that Trump attended their memorial. She’s an absolute nasty piece of shit.

Also seems like a good time to remind people that Trump did not call soldiers suckers and losers. Take note you brain dead clowns who continue to repeat this hoax. You are pathetic.

[paulxu]

I'll proudly stand with the brain dead clown Marine General John Kelly, who says he did.

You can be with the other people.

It was not that Trump helped the families pay respects at Arlington, or even that he trampled around on graves in Section 60.
It's that his campaign put out videos of it, clearly violating Army regulations against using the cemetery for political purposes.
Why is that so hard to understand?

[Xuperman]

If the Trump campaign would learn to play the dirty political game that the Dems master....they would simply get a dishonest Conservative rag to put out a piece quoting an "anonymous source in her inner circle" saying Harris despises white rural trailer trash Christians.

[Xuperman]

BTW Paul,
TDS is a pandemic. Kelly is infected and the main symptom of the illness is...DO ANYTHING TO DESTROY Trump, his family and supporters..

So there's that.

[Xville]

Kamala has released the fury of 13 dead soldiers’ families after her shit-post about Trump attending their memorial at Arlington that they invited him to attend.

The issue is not that they were left to die 3 years ago, or that Harris refuses to acknowledge them, but that Trump attended their memorial. She’s an absolute nasty piece of shit.

Also seems like a good time to remind people that Trump did not call soldiers suckers and losers. Take note you brain dead clowns who continue to repeat this hoax. You are pathetic.

Yeah it makes sense that he said what he said about John McCain but it’s outside of the realm of possibility he said that about our military. Pot meet kettle bud

[Xuperman]

Yeah the McCain disrespect is at the top of the most disgusting things that has come out his politically stupid mouth.... especially considering his situation during the Vietnam War. EVERYONE should hold him accountable for that buffoonery.

However, unverified hearsay is dirty political propaganda that the MSM shills are eager to constantly present as fact.

[Xuperman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2_62C6GQ_E

Somewhere, in an alternate universe, the Bell Riots are about to take place in San Francisco this weekend.

I absolutely love you posted this! The foresight from this 2 part Star Trek epic is way beyond the Simpsons "Nostradamus" stuff.

This is a very distinct possibility. I also see an "Escape from New York" reality OR more likely a "Bad Batch" reality in 50 years. I think the focus will be on how to separate the extreme criminal element from regular folks.

[noteggs]

As stated several times, not a big fan of Trump. But this funny and clever clip from Nicole Shanahan.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YDKYJXYemn4&feature=shared

[Leghorn]

Remember like 5 years ago when certain people on this board question Trump being on vacation and playing golf and not being President? When was the last time our "president" was not on vacation? I hear next week he's going to move his vacation to the White House for the first time in over two weeks. Who's running the country since apparently Kamala hasn't had anything to do with the current policies.

[Smails]

I'm hopeful he can't destroy it. But he is a clear threat to the operation of our government under the constitution.
We're you here on January 6th when he asked his own VP to illegally stop the peaceful transfer of power.
If he's back in the WH with the wide immunity the office seems to have been granted, I think he'd would do a lot of damage to the Justice Dept, and of course probably kill the investigations into his crimes.
That seems like a threat to me...and to a lot of people who weren't "political operatives."
Here's an example:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/19/politics/conservative-republican-endorses-harris-calls-trump-a-threat-to-democracy/index.html

I'll ask you again because nothing you've posted has actually answered the question. If he's an actual threat to Democracy , how would he go about taking down our system of government? That's the message, right? "Trump will destroy democracy" What can he or any other President do to actually threaten our democracy? Using his position to clean up his messes doesn't cut it....Presidents have been doing that for decades.

[paulxu]

I'll try to help you with a simple one. Maybe it will help; maybe not.

If you ask your vice president to not perform his duty to count the electoral college votes, you are stopping the peaceful transfer of power that has occurred in our country for centuries. That's a feature of our democracy. He threatened it, and unleashed a mob to stop the vote.

Perhaps that's all too hard to understand. Perhaps you think they were tourists. If so, I can't help you. So, please don't bother asking again. Thanks.

[Xuperman]

That is a strong and accurate point. However, Smails is simply saying not one inch of sedition is possible because of well known checks and balances established in our beautiful country.

Now if someone could commender the National Military..... different situation.

[STL_XUfan]

BTW Paul,
TDS is a pandemic. Kelly is infected and the main symptom of the illness is...DO ANYTHING TO DESTROY Trump, his family and supporters..

So there's that.

The man willingly served as Trump's chief of staff, it isn't like he is some closet liberal. Ever think that just maybe his attitude towards Trump changed based on seeing how Trump acted up close?

[Xuperman]

YES.
My point is now, and always will be, TDS is an epic American phenomenon.

There has never been, in the history of our great Republic, where the levers of government has been united and hell bent on destroying a FORMER POTUS.....noodle that for a minute.

I never posted here in a political thread until Biden was elected. But with the global importance of what has transpired since the "Golden Escalator"....has been the most significant Geo-Political reality of our time.

[Xuperman]

Every American must acknowledge the OBAMA life dream to "Fundamentally TRANSFORM America".

Love it or hate it.....he will go down as THE most GLOBAL influential American politician since REAGAN.

[paulxu]

Maybe there's an ODS.
I don't think he's running this year.

[Xuperman]

Maybe there's an ODS.
I don't think he's running this year.

Let's get real here. OBAMA IS the heart/mind of the American Left. Look how the Harris campaign has magically inherited all that '08/'12 O staff. The Dems are masters in implementing modern day political tactics.....the propaganda political pornography of the MSM is a near insurmountable obstacle for all Republicans.

[Xville]

Let's get real here. OBAMA IS the heart/mind of the American Left. Look how the Harris campaign has magically inherited all that '08/'12 O staff. The Dems are masters in implementing modern day political tactics.....the propaganda political pornography of the MSM is a near insurmountable obstacle for all Republicans.

I say this with all sincerity. Get outside and enjoy some life

[94GRAD]

YES.
My point is now, and always will be, TDS is an epic American phenomenon.

There has never been, in the history of our great Republic, where the levers of government has been united and hell bent on destroying a FORMER POTUS.....noodle that for a minute.

I never posted here in a political thread until Biden was elected. But with the global importance of what has transpired since the "Golden Escalator"....has been the most significant Geo-Political reality of our time.

Trump is an unmitigated POS. That is the reason he doesn't get endorsements from former staffers and government officials. Everyone is against him because they have actually worked for, or with him and don't want him running the country again.

[bobbiemcgee]

I think trump is deranged. He makes absolutely crazy statements and then keeps pushing them as truth. And the stupid ass base eats it up.

[Xuperman]

Trump is an unmitigated POS. That is the reason he doesn't get endorsements from former staffers and government officials. Everyone is against him because they have actually worked for, or with him and don't want him running the country again.

YES. F Trump.

However, how do you square the 80 million votes of your fellow Americans?

That is a massive basket of "deplorables" for someone in the "people" business.

I don't understand why ALL VOTERS don't understand this is a POLICY ELECTION.

[Xuperman]

I say this with all sincerity. Get outside and enjoy some life

With your ugly trollish history here....that is a must archive. I always pictured you in a dark basement.

[paulxu]

Biden got 81 million.
The incumbent got 74 million. He's never won the popular vote.

[Xuperman]

Biden got 81 million.
The incumbent got 74 million. He's never won the popular vote.

Ok. Can you scratch your head with the rest of us plz? Biden the most popular POTUS of all time!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_candidates_by_n umber_of_votes_received

Look away.....nothing to see here.

[bobbiemcgee]

Does anyone find it ironic they stop fighting for polio vaccines only to shoot or blow up the kids next week.?

[bjf123]

Ok. Can you scratch your head with the rest of us plz? Biden the most popular POTUS of all time!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_candidates_by_n umber_of_votes_received

Look away.....nothing to see here.

You do realize that a lot of those votes were not in support of Biden, right? They were purely a vote against Trump.


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[Muskie in dayton]

I'll proudly stand with the brain dead clown Marine General John Kelly, who says he did.

You can be with the other people
Zach Fuentes, former deputy to Chief of Staff Gen. John Kelly:
"I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?"


John Bolton, former National Security Advisor:
"I didn't hear either of those comments or anything even resembling them. I was there at the point in time that morning when it was decided that he would not go Aisne-Marne cemetery. He decided not to do it because of John Kelly's recommendation. It was entirely a weather-related decision, and I thought the proper thing to do."


Sarah Huckabee Sanders, former White House press secretary:
"The Atlantic story on Trump is total BS. I was actually there and one of the people part of the discussion - this never happened … I am disgusted by this false attack."


Hogan Gidley, former White House deputy press secretary (who was beside Trump during the alleged conversation):
"These are disgusting, grotesque, reprehensible lies. I was there in Paris and the President never said those things … These weak, pathetic, cowardly background ‘sources’ do not have the courage or decency to put their names to these false accusations because they know how completely ludicrous they are. It's sickening that they would hide in the shadows to knowingly try and hurt the morale of our great military simply for an attack on a political opponent."


Dan Scavino, White House deputy chief of staff for communications:
"I was with POTUS in France, with Sarah, and have been at his side throughout it all. Complete lies by ‘anonymous sources’ that were ‘dropped’ just as he begins to campaign (and surge). A disgraceful attempt to smear POTUS, 60 days before the Presidential Election! Disgusting!!"


Jordan Karem, former personal aide to President Trump:
"This is not even close to being factually accurate. Plain and simple, it just never happened."


Johnny DeStefano, former counselor to President Trump: "I was on this trip. The Atlantic bit is not true. Period."


Stephen Miller, former senior advisor to President Trump:
"[A] despicable lie ... The president deeply wanted to attend the memorial event in question and was deeply displeased by the bad weather call."


Derek Lyons, former staff secretary and counselor to President Trump:
"I was with the President the morning after the scheduled visit. He was extremely disappointed that arrangements could not be made to get him to the site, and that the trip had been cancelled."


Dan Walsh, former White House deputy chief of staff:
"I can attest to the fact that there was a bad weather call in France, and that the helicopters were unable to safely make the flight."


Jamie McCourt, former U.S. Ambassador to France and Monaco:
"In my presence, POTUS has NEVER denigrated any member of the U.S. military or anyone in service to our country. And he certainly did not that day, either. Let me add, he was devastated to not be able to go to the cemetery at Belleau Wood. In fact, the next day, he attended and spoke at the ceremony in Suresnes in the pouring rain."


Mick Mulvaney, former acting White House chief of staff:
"These claims are simply outrageous. I never heard the President disparage our war dead or wounded. In fact, the exact opposite is true. I was with him at the 75th Anniversary of the D-Day invasion in Normandy. As we flew over the beaches by helicopter he was outwardly in awe of the accomplishments of the Allied Forces, and the sacrifices they paid."


Maj. Gen. Bill Maz, secretary of the American Battle Monuments Commission:
"I was the host of the event discussed by the false and despicable article published in The Atlantic magazine on 3 September … when the President’s visit was appropriately canceled due to weather, I received word also that he was upset he would not be able to make the wreath-laying visit…"

Paul you go believe the one guy. But you also believe dummies (literal dummies, not Democrats) transmit COVID over actual real world data. You are in complete brain-rot.

[Muskie in dayton]

It was not that Trump helped the families pay respects at Arlington, or even that he trampled around on graves in Section 60.
It's that his campaign put out videos of it, clearly violating Army regulations against using the cemetery for political purposes.
Why is that so hard to understand?
Are you sure you would never find a video of A Democrat doing this? Are you totally sure? Positive?

[94GRAD]

YES. F Trump.

However, how do you square the 80 million votes of your fellow Americans?

That is a massive basket of "deplorables" for someone in the "people" business.

I don't understand why ALL VOTERS don't understand this is a POLICY ELECTION.

Easily, a lot of people didn't want Biden to be President.

[Xuperman]

You do realize that a lot of those votes were not in support of Biden, right? They were purely a vote against Trump.


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Absolutely.... and thanks for backing me on the obvious. Just wait for the same dynamic that puts a cackling idiot fingers away from the NUCLEAR CODES.

[Xville]

With your ugly trollish history here....that is a must archive. I always pictured you in a dark basement.

Interesting response. You seem to take life, this message board and certainly politics way too seriously. I’ll give ya a hint..99% of politicians don’t give an f about you or this country and I’ll let you in on a hint… the other 1% don’t run or won’t ever win a primary for president.

The weird ass Obama statements you make here is whackadoodle nonsense.

[Xuperman]

Easily, a lot of people didn't want Biden to be President.

Yeah....but someone has to run the most powerful country in the world. The disturbing thing is that this ignorant electorate thinks a ridiculous horror like Harris is right for the job.

[Xville]

Yeah....but someone has to run the most powerful country in the world. The disturbing thing is that this ignorant electorate thinks a ridiculous horror like Harris is right for the job.

So you’re calling your wife and children ignorant? That’s interesting

[Xuperman]

Hey....no one here will ever question your ability to troll.

Dare to post your opinion of the OBAMA "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM AMERICA" doctrine?

[Xuperman]

So you’re calling your wife and children ignorant? That’s interesting

Yes.

Uninformed, stubborn, and THOROUGHLY INDOCTRINATED.

[Xville]

Hey....no one here will ever question your ability to troll.

Dare to post your opinion of the OBAMA "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM AMERICA" doctrine?

I’m not psychotic, so no. You just called your own wife and children ignorant. That’s psychotic behavior.

Your own flesh and blood, because they disagree with you. That’s just wow

[Xuperman]

Ignorant is simply uninformed or lacking knowledge.

AND....unavoidably infected with full blown TDS.

They like most.....Do NOT UNDERSTAND this a a POLICY ELECTION.

[Xuperman]

Can us Americans take Obama at his word when he wants to "FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM AMERICA"?

If so....what does that mean?

[Xville]

Ignorant is simply uninformed or lacking knowledge.

AND....unavoidably infected with full blown TDS.

They like most.....Do NOT UNDERSTAND this a a POLICY ELECTION.

Maybe it’s you that is uninformed, lacking knowledge and have ods.

[Xuperman]

Maybe it’s you that is uninformed, lacking knowledge and have ods.

Can you give me any possible example....I can recalibrate my common sense with help.

[Xuperman]

Can we all, here, and even globally grasp the stakes of this election?

KAMALA HARRIS?

This reality is a total and utter disaster for every human on the planet.

[Leghorn]

What about Harris' +90% turnover in staff in 4 years?

[Xuperman]

What about Harris' +90% turnover in staff in 4 years?

People don't like an overly entitled child from Berkley radical parents....that reeks of Marxism. Other than that, word is she can not tolerate getting the wrong bagel from her go-fers.

[Xville]

Can you give me any possible example....I can recalibrate my common sense with help.

My point is maybe that’s how they see you? You seem very sure of yourself that you are on the “right side,” and you don’t seem to be someone that accepts seeing things from another one’s perspective. You seem to digest a whole lot of news from what I can gather. Seems like an unhealthy amount.




All I’m saying is, both extreme sides pretty much suck (and those sides are represented by the two morons running). the only politicians I fnd in any way digestible are ones that can reach across the aisle, compromise, and get things done that are common sense. Such as things like the border bill. Was it perfect? Nope. Was it better than what we have today? Yep, and only extreme partisan fanboys believe otherwise. There’s a reason why the extreme left, and the trump boys hated it. Think about that.


Anyways back to whatever Obama gibberish you want to preach on, followed by Paul whining about trump.

[Xuperman]

My point is maybe that’s how they see you? You seem very sure of yourself that you are on the “right side,” and you don’t seem to be someone that accepts seeing things from another one’s perspective. You seem to digest a whole lot of news from what I can gather. Seems like an unhealthy amount.




All I’m saying is, both extreme sides pretty much suck (and those sides are represented by the two morons running). the only politicians I fnd in any way digestible are ones that can reach across the aisle, compromise, and get things done that are common sense. Such as things like the border bill. Was it perfect? Nope. Was it better than what we have today? Yep, and only extreme partisan fanboys believe otherwise. There’s a reason why the extreme left, and the trump boys hated it. Think about that.


Anyways back to whatever Obama gibberish you want to preach on, followed by Paul whining about trump.

I like that.

I don't really know why any of us would waste time on this thread, unless we can challenge view that can possibly change a vote.

"Fundamentally Transform America" is not gibberish. It is literally the DOCTRINE of the most significant POTUS.....maybe of ALL TIME.

Was he talking bullshit? If not, what was he seriously talking about?

[bobbiemcgee]

People don't like an overly entitled child from Berkley radical parents....that reeks of Marxism. Other than that, word is she can not tolerate getting the wrong bagel from her go-fers.

what about twinkle toes who dad gave him 600_million?

[Xville]

I like that.

I don't really know why any of us would waste time on this thread, unless we can challenge view that can possibly change a vote.

"Fundamentally Transform America" is not gibberish. It is literally the DOCTRINE of the most significant POTUS.....maybe of ALL TIME.

Was he talking bullshit? If not, what was he seriously talking about?

1.) Trust me, no one is changing anyone’s mind on this thread.

2.) You’re giving Obama way too much credit. He’s pretty inconsequential imo.

3.) if anyone fundamentally changed America, it was trump. He’s literally redefined an entire party. It used to be a fiscally conservative, limited government, pragmatic party.