Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

Do you wonder if any Democrats are beginning to realize they have been lied to for years with one HOAX after another. ��

1. Suckers & Losers Hoax
2. Russian collusion Hoax
3. Mischaracterizing Trump's "very fine people" comment after Charlottesville as praise for neo-Nazis Hoax
4. 51 Intelligence Agents Hoax
5. 16 Economists say Trump will create an Inflation problem Hoax
6. Drink Bleach Hoax
7. Trump has Dementia Hoax
7.5. Biden is sharp and doesn't have Dementia Hoax
8. COVID-19 lab leak theory as a conspiracy when it was initially suggested by Trump and Republicans Hoax
9. J6 Committee Coverup & destroying evidence Hoax
10. Ivermectin / HCQ doesn't work & is dangerous Hoax
11. Claiming Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" Hoax
12. Accusing Trump of inciting violence on January 6th, despite his calls for peaceful protest Hoax
13. Russian bounties on American troops, which lacked strong intelligence backing Hoax
14. Portraying Trump's response to COVID-19 as completely dismissive, when he took some early actions like travel restrictions Hoax
15. KC Chiefs' child fan with face painted is racist for half red half black face paint Hoax
16. Covington teen kid is racist after Indian man got in his face beating drum Hoax
17. 2020 election was MOST secure in American history, mail in ballots and machines had no problems - 81 Million Votes for Biden Hoax
18. Covid Vax protects against infection Hoax
19. Jussie Smollet "This is MAGA Country" Hoax
20. Bubba Wallace Garage Pull Hoax
21. Governor Whitmer FBI Kidnapping Hoax
22. Chinese weather Ballon loose over America Hoax
23. Steele Dossier Hoax
24. Russia bombed their own pipeline Hoax
25. Border Patrol agents whipped migrants Hoax
26. Trump put kids in Obama's cages Hoax
27. Trump had nuclear secrets at Miralago Hoax
28. "Muslim" Travel Ban Hoax
29. Cuomo performed best leadership during Covid Hoax
30. Ghost of Kyiv Hoax
31. "Al-Bagdhadi was an "austere religious scholar" Hoax
32. Trump overfed Koi fish in Japan Hoax
33. Trump tax cuts only benefits wealthy Hoax
34. Trump mocked a reporter's disability Hoax
35. J6 protesters killed a police officer Hoax
36. Putin inflation price hike Hoax
37. Trump overpowered Secret Service to grab wheel of "The Beast" from back seat Hoax
38. Masks prevent Covid Hoax
39. BLM / Antifa were "mostly peaceful protesters" Hoax
40. Trump used teargas to clear peaceful protests for Bible photo op Hoax
41. Kavanaugh gang rape train Hoax
41. Democrats must "Protect Demcracy" by keeping Political opponent off the ballots by lawfare and jail.
42. Rape charges from a woman who didn’t know when it happened (also accused 12 other of rape), and best friend said it never happened Hoax.
43. New York changed statute of limitations on NDA FEC election interference Hoax
44. Ukraine can win war with enough money & weapons from US Hoax
45. Putin will invade Europe next Hoax
46. Climate Change (Global Warning rebranded) is the most existential threat to humanity Hoax
47. What did I miss?

[Masterofreality]

I feel like some of you guys get your legal analysis from Elie Mystal.

From Yale Law Professor Jed Rubenfeld.
I’ll accept his analysis over the Board Barristers here.

“ Should a former president be immune from prosecution after leaving office? Believe it or not, we had no law on that issue for two hundred years. There didn’t need to be any: until now, no former president had ever been criminally prosecuted for actions taken during his presidency. But Trump is being prosecuted for (among other things) his involvement in January 6, so the immunity issue had to be confronted.
Trump’s lawyers argued for complete immunity. The special prosecutor, Jack Smith, argued for zero immunity, and the D.C. Circuit basically adopted the prosecution’s position. The Supreme Court rejected both extremes, laying down a new test for presidential immunity and giving something to both sides.
At its most simple, the Court’s new test first asks whether the conduct in question was an “official” act—i.e., an exercise of the president’s powers. If it was not an official act, then there’s no immunity at all. If it was official, the next question is whether the president was exercising a “core” constitutional power. If so, then there’s complete immunity—no prosecution is permissible. But if we’re dealing with an official act outside the core, then “presumptive” immunity applies—the president will be presumed immune unless the prosecution can rebut that presumption. What does that mean? Well, no one knows exactly, because it’s new law.
It will now be up to the lower courts to apply those standards”

[GoMuskies]

Yes, MOR, but that presumptive immunity must be a problem, right? Got to be impossible for a prosecutor to overcome, no? I mean, for example, we would NEVER have penitentiaries full of prisoners all over the country if normal citizens were presumptively innocent in criminal court proceedings!

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe Biden can shoot trump on fifth avenue and test it out.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/supreme-court-immunity-trump-biden-assassinate_n_66831f73e4b06575b36641d8

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/jul/1/did-supreme-court-ok-presidential-assassination-or/#:~:text=In%20a%206%2D3%20decision,for%20many%20ot her%20official%20acts.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category&ruling=false&speaker=donald-trump

[GoMuskies]

What's going on today? End of Biden? His odds to win the Presidency have moved from +250 to +450 in the last several hours. His odds of being the Dem nominee have moved from -250 to -140. The bad news? The overwhelming favorite to succeed him as nominee is none other than Cackles herself, Kamala Harris.

[bobbiemcgee]

No, it's M Obama and Newsom.

[GoMuskies]

Obama has generally been the favorite, but she's the #3 choice as replacement now at +1200. Newsom is +800. Kamala is +250.

Of that group, in a hypothetical matchup, Obama is the only one favored to beat Trump. She is a -175 favorite. Trump is only a slight -130 favorite over Newsom, but he's a massive -300 favorite over Cackles.

I say bring on the third term of Obama (really the 4th since Barack is pretty mucn pulling the strings through this admin).

[Strange Brew]

No, it's M Obama and Newsom.

Wait, I thought Biden won the Primary? I guess Democracy doesn’t matter to Dems. ;)

[Strange Brew]

Obama has generally been the favorite, but she's the #3 choice as replacement now at +1200. Newsom is +800. Kamala is +250.

Of that group, in a hypothetical matchup, Obama is the only one favored to beat Trump. She is a -175 favorite. Trump is only a slight -130 favorite over Newsom, but he's a massive -300 favorite over Cackles.

I say bring on the third term of Obama (really the 4th since Barack is pretty mucn pulling the strings through this admin).

Well, why not. FDR had 3 terms and absolutely nothing bad happened….:)

[Xuperman]

Do you wonder if any Democrats are beginning to realize they have been lied to for years with one HOAX after another. ��

1. Suckers & Losers Hoax
2. Russian collusion Hoax
3. Mischaracterizing Trump's "very fine people" comment after Charlottesville as praise for neo-Nazis Hoax
4. 51 Intelligence Agents Hoax
5. 16 Economists say Trump will create an Inflation problem Hoax
6. Drink Bleach Hoax
7. Trump has Dementia Hoax
7.5. Biden is sharp and doesn't have Dementia Hoax
8. COVID-19 lab leak theory as a conspiracy when it was initially suggested by Trump and Republicans Hoax
9. J6 Committee Coverup & destroying evidence Hoax
10. Ivermectin / HCQ doesn't work & is dangerous Hoax
11. Claiming Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" Hoax
12. Accusing Trump of inciting violence on January 6th, despite his calls for peaceful protest Hoax
13. Russian bounties on American troops, which lacked strong intelligence backing Hoax
14. Portraying Trump's response to COVID-19 as completely dismissive, when he took some early actions like travel restrictions Hoax
15. KC Chiefs' child fan with face painted is racist for half red half black face paint Hoax
16. Covington teen kid is racist after Indian man got in his face beating drum Hoax
17. 2020 election was MOST secure in American history, mail in ballots and machines had no problems - 81 Million Votes for Biden Hoax
18. Covid Vax protects against infection Hoax
19. Jussie Smollet "This is MAGA Country" Hoax
20. Bubba Wallace Garage Pull Hoax
21. Governor Whitmer FBI Kidnapping Hoax
22. Chinese weather Ballon loose over America Hoax
23. Steele Dossier Hoax
24. Russia bombed their own pipeline Hoax
25. Border Patrol agents whipped migrants Hoax
26. Trump put kids in Obama's cages Hoax
27. Trump had nuclear secrets at Miralago Hoax
28. "Muslim" Travel Ban Hoax
29. Cuomo performed best leadership during Covid Hoax
30. Ghost of Kyiv Hoax
31. "Al-Bagdhadi was an "austere religious scholar" Hoax
32. Trump overfed Koi fish in Japan Hoax
33. Trump tax cuts only benefits wealthy Hoax
34. Trump mocked a reporter's disability Hoax
35. J6 protesters killed a police officer Hoax
36. Putin inflation price hike Hoax
37. Trump overpowered Secret Service to grab wheel of "The Beast" from back seat Hoax
38. Masks prevent Covid Hoax
39. BLM / Antifa were "mostly peaceful protesters" Hoax
40. Trump used teargas to clear peaceful protests for Bible photo op Hoax
41. Kavanaugh gang rape train Hoax
41. Democrats must "Protect Demcracy" by keeping Political opponent off the ballots by lawfare and jail.
42. Rape charges from a woman who didn’t know when it happened (also accused 12 other of rape), and best friend said it never happened Hoax.
43. New York changed statute of limitations on NDA FEC election interference Hoax
44. Ukraine can win war with enough money & weapons from US Hoax
45. Putin will invade Europe next Hoax
46. Climate Change (Global Warning rebranded) is the most existential threat to humanity Hoax
47. What did I miss?

48. Not much.....MASTERFUL!!!!

How can anyone vote DEM?

[Xuperman]

Obama has generally been the favorite, but she's the #3 choice as replacement now at +1200. Newsom is +800. Kamala is +250.

Of that group, in a hypothetical matchup, Obama is the only one favored to beat Trump. She is a -175 favorite. Trump is only a slight -130 favorite over Newsom, but he's a massive -300 favorite over Cackles.

I say bring on the third term of Obama (really the 4th since Barack is pretty mucn pulling the strings through this admin).

No doubt Ol' Xup is gonna get legendary status on this prediction...over THREE YEARS in the making.

No one on the planet can beat Michelle Obama in an USA election for ANY OFFICE!

[Strange Brew]

No doubt Ol' Xup is gonna get legendary status on this prediction...over THREE YEARS in the making.

No one on the planet can beat Michelle Obama in an USA election for ANY OFFICE!

Why?

What I mean is why is she considered a viable candidate?

What has she done except make a generation of kids hate lunch. :)

[Leghorn]

Wait, I thought Biden won the Primary? I guess Democracy doesn’t matter to Dems. ;)

Will the Dems ever have a nominee selected by the people again? 16 - Clinton had super delegates. 20 - They moved everyone out of the way so Paul's great state could give Biden a win. 24 - Joe is easily the winner of the primary but will be replace by? But its not a threat to our democracy.

[Strange Brew]

Will the Dems ever have a nominee selected by the people again? 16 - Clinton had super delegates. 20 - They moved everyone out of the way so Paul's great state could give Biden a win. 24 - Joe is easily the winner of the primary but will be replace by? But its not a threat to our democracy.

THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! Haha. Rolleyes….

BTW, there are still US Citizens being held hostage in Gaza while Bobbie and Sonya are fantasizing about a Former President and current front runner.

Please, let that sink in.

Edit: I’ll give Joe credit, he made a very “fair trade” for Griner.

Great, we got a good female basketball player back and gave up an International arms dealer. I guess that sits well with some of you.

[Xville]

So funny no matter how many times she has mentioned she hates politics and will never run, some of you all can’t help yourselves.

Reason she would be a viable candidate is because she is very likable and relatable for probably 65% or more of the country. I’m not a fan but over trump and Biden? Yeah I’d take her and so would most people.

[Strange Brew]

So funny no matter how many times she has mentioned she hates politics and will never run, some of you all can’t help yourselves.

Reason she would be a viable candidate is because she is very likable and relatable for probably 65% or more of the country. I’m not a fan but over trump and Biden? Yeah I’d take her and so would most people.

She doesn’t want it like Washington didn’t want command after wearing his uniform to the Continental Congress. Come on Ville. ;)

Edit: I didn’t know you were so intimate with her. If you are I’d recommend staying a from the kitchen. :)

[GoMuskies]

Biden +500 now

[Strange Brew]

Biden +500 now

So, you're saying there is a chance? ;)

[Strange Brew]

All political postings shall go here until further notice. When the aftermath cools down, perhaps we will go back to the old way.

Bump. This thread was started on 11-10-16. Why did the board need to consolidate opinions? Some of you lost your minds and haven’t found the pieces yet.

[Xuperman]

Bump. This thread was started on 11-10-16. Why did the board need to consolidate opinions? Some of you lost your minds and haven’t found the pieces yet.

Yep, but somewhere in the middle OL' XUP floated out MICHELLE and was across this board labeled a lunatic.

[Xuperman]

why?

What i mean is why is she considered a viable candidate?

What has she done except make a generation of kids hate lunch. :)

Barack Hussain Obama is her husband. They both are intimately involved in dc politics. They both are progressive MEGA stars.

[Xuperman]

So funny no matter how many times she has mentioned she hates politics and will never run, some of you all can’t help yourselves.

Reason she would be a viable candidate is because she is very likable and relatable for probably 65% or more of the country. I’m not a fan but over trump and Biden? Yeah I’d take her and so would most people.

You suck. You are simply not a serious person. Stop posting so much.

[XU_Lou]

You suck. You are simply not a serious person. Stop posting so much.

Rumor on the board is that he doesn't have a job.


I've always assumed he was a student. His posts lack a sense of maturity and how could anyone with a job post as often as he does. Are you suggesting he has a full time job?

[GoMuskies]

Is there anything of substance to this Trump/Epstein stuff? Gut says no based on the quality of people I've seen promoting it. But the idea of eliminating both Trump AND Biden in the span of a week is pretty spicy. Haley vs Cackles?

[Xville]

You suck. You are simply not a serious person. Stop posting so much.

There’s an ignore button, feel free to use it.

I’m not the cause of your Obama derangement syndrome.

[Xville]

Is there anything of substance to this Trump/Epstein stuff? Gut says no based on the quality of people I've seen promoting it. But the idea of eliminating both Trump AND Biden in the span of a week is pretty spicy. Haley vs Cackles?

Would anyone be surprised if Clinton and Trump were raping young girls? Anyone really think that’s out of the realm of possibility?

[xuphan]

Is there anything of substance to this Trump/Epstein stuff? Gut says no based on the quality of people I've seen promoting it. But the idea of eliminating both Trump AND Biden in the span of a week is pretty spicy. Haley vs Cackles?

I don’t think we will ever know the true scoop of how deep the Epstein stuff runs.

[GoMuskies]

Biden to withdraw from election in July:

Yes -120
No -120

[GoMuskies]

I was pretty sure (hopeful/delusional/etc.) we'd find a way to avoid this, but it seems certain segments of the Democratic Party are going to go absolutely apeshit if Biden bows out and anyone but Kamala gets the nod. So Trump is facing either Biden or Kamala in 4 months in his bid to pull a Grover Cleveland.

So congrats to Donald Trump on being the 47th President of the United States.

[Masterofreality]

Yes, MOR, but that presumptive immunity must be a problem, right? Got to be impossible for a prosecutor to overcome, no? I mean, for example, we would NEVER have penitentiaries full of prisoners all over the country if normal citizens were presumptively innocent in criminal court proceedings!

I agree!!!!!!

[GoMuskies]

Biden now +225 to be the Dem nominee. Cackles is -110. So this shit is really happening. Unbelievable.

Harris +400 to win the election in November. Biden +800.

[GoMuskies]

Biden now +1100. He's the fourth choice according to oddsmakers behind Trump, Harris and Newsom (+1000).

[94GRAD]

Biden now +1100. He's the fourth choice according to oddsmakers behind Trump, Harris and Newsom (+1000).

Trump is +1000?

[bjf123]

I just don’t see Trump winning, even against Biden. The media will be non-stop “it’s the end of democracy if Trump wins!” and enough people will turn out to hold their nose to vote for Biden, or whoever the Democratic nominee is. I’ll be holding my nose and voting for Trump.


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[GoMuskies]

Trump is +1000?

Trump is -185, Harris +350, Newsom +1000, Biden +1100.

[Xville]

If it ends up being Kamala, I think she wins. The black and woman vote that Biden was losing will go right back to her. She’s dumb and not my cup of tea but she’s not hated by so many people like Hilary

[GoMuskies]

Kamala can't win. Veep was actually an HBO documentary about her time as Biden's VP.

[xuphan]

If it ends up being Kamala, I think she wins. The black and woman vote that Biden was losing will go right back to her. She’s dumb and not my cup of tea but she’s not hated by so many people like Hilary

The Trump Train is going to steamroll whoever is the left nominee. The left have turned Trump into some sort of Superbug virus with their failed attempts to eliminate him and now he is becoming more immune to any current and future attempts to remove him from being president. This Trump Train is going to be a wacky and bumpy ride the next 4 years so hold on Paul and Bobby.

[Xville]

The Trump Train is going to steamroll whoever is the left nominee. The left have turned Trump into some sort of Superbug virus with their failed attempts to eliminate him and now he is becoming more immune to any current and future attempts to remove him from being president. This Trump Train is going to be a wacky and bumpy ride the next 4 years so hold on Paul and Bobby.

Maybe. I’m not much one for polls but for shits and giggles miss bj herself polls about two points behind. I really think she’d capture a lot of the African American vote even though she’s not African American, and women.

She seems really really stupid but a lot of independents are ready to vote for a corpse against trump. I’d have to think a bigger number would vote for someone that’s not 80

[XU_Lou]

Trump is -185, Harris +350, Newsom +1000, Biden +1100.

Just of curiosity, how much money (in total) is being bet on these political bets? 6, 7, 8 digits? Are these numbers comparable/larger than say the Super Bowl?

[GoMuskies]

I don't know how the Dems ended up being stuck with Biden and Harris again, but they are the only two I can imagine being incapable of beating Trump. Just using the betting odds to go down the list, I think every single every other person would beat Trump if they had been "selected" instead of Biden/Harris (because no one was voted into this):

Gavin Newsom - awful but easily beats Trump
Michelle Obama - would win 40+ states
Gretchen Whitmer - alive, not Harris, wins close
Hillary Clinton - she'd win easy this time
Josh Shapiro - I have no idea who that is. Good enough!
J.B. Prizker - Slightly less obnoxious rich white guy. Winner
Mayor Pete - Dominant win
Andy Beshear - 40+ state win
Raphael Warnock - OK, don't really know anything about him other than he's less stupid than Herschel Walker (low bar)
Elizabeth Warren - takes the plains states from Republicans with her Native background

[GoMuskies]

Just of curiosity, how much money (in total) is being bet on these political bets? 6, 7, 8 digits? Are these numbers comparable/larger than say the Super Bowl?

No idea how much is actually being wagered, but the max bet is $500. So it's not just a jokey $25 max bet deal.

The max bet was $2500 last week. I think things are so crazy and moving around so rapidly they don't want to take crazy action on these bets right now. For example, Biden is back down to +600 in the couple of hours since I posted that he was +1100.

[Xville]

Regardless, I still don’t think Biden is going anywhere

[GoMuskies]

You can get him at +120 to be the Dem nominee right now. That would be an easy $600.

[Xville]

You can get him at +120 to be the Dem nominee right now. That would be an easy $600.

The only problem is the chance of death which is prolly pretty strong.

As an aside , I’m not sure he has dementia, I think he has Parkinson’s.

[xuphan]

Maybe. I’m not much one for polls but for shits and giggles miss bj herself polls about two points behind. I really think she’d capture a lot of the African American vote even though she’s not African American, and women.

She seems really really stupid but a lot of independents are ready to vote for a corpse against trump. I’d have to think a bigger number would vote for someone that’s not 80

Are a lot of independent voters ready to vote for Biden over Trump? You sure about that? Independent voters want nothing to do with Biden or Trump. There will still be twists and turns in the coming months but I would bet Trump is a slight favorite over Biden with the Independents. Especially after the debate.

[Muskie in dayton]

Maybe. I’m not much one for polls but for shits and giggles miss bj herself polls about two points behind. I really think she’d capture a lot of the African American vote even though she’s not African American, and women.

She seems really really stupid but a lot of independents are ready to vote for a corpse against trump. I’d have to think a bigger number would vote for someone that’s not 80
Are you suggesting blacks and women are stupid? Sounds racist and sexist to me.

[Xville]

Are you suggesting blacks and women are stupid? Sounds racist and sexist to me.

Those are your words, not mine.

I think women, because she is likeable (especially vs Trump who wants to fuck his daughter and grab'em by the pussy) unlike what Hilary was back in '16.

I think African American 1.) because historically they have voted democrat, and 2.) if you've not noticed she's a minority.

[Xville]

Are a lot of independent voters ready to vote for Biden over Trump? You sure about that? Independent voters want nothing to do with Biden or Trump. There will still be twists and turns in the coming months but I would bet Trump is a slight favorite over Biden with the Independents. Especially after the debate.

Seen anything from a 12 point Trump lead among independents to about 2. So, yeah Trump has a lead, but a large number are still willing to vote for a corpse over him.

I'd think as bad as Kamala seems to be imo, she's at least not 80 and more palatable for those independents who are on the fence.

This is all opinion of course, and like I said I don't think much of polls, just thinking out loud.

[Leghorn]

I think Trump still beats Hillary, Mayor Pete and Warren. Maybe Newsom. The rest I agree.

[GoMuskies]

Those are your words, not mine.

I think women, because she is likeable (especially vs Trump who wants to fuck his daughter and grab'em by the pussy) unlike what Hilary was back in '16.

I think African American 1.) because historically they have voted democrat, and 2.) if you've not noticed she's a minority.

Kamala isn't likeable.

[paulxu]

Happy Birthday America! Hope you are relaxing and celebrating somewhere with friends and family.

Hot here in the South today!.

Something to reflect on as our nation celebrates its 224th birthday. As Judge Luttig noted:


It can never again be said that in America “no man is above the law.” The Supreme Court held today that the President of the United States — and the former president in particular — is above the law, and the only person in America who is above the law.

(which makes me think the words above the Supreme Court entrance “Equal Justice Under Law” no longer apply in our country.)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/the-supreme-court-took-a-sledgehammer-to-american-democracy

[Xville]

It’s funny watching dems on Twitter whine about the medias coverage post debate.

[bjf123]

If this has been asked and answered, sorry for the repetition, but I can’t keep track of every post in here.

For those of you saying that the SCOTUS ruling means the President is above the law and untouchable, except for being impeached, do you think the ruling should have been that the President, whoever that might be, has no immunity at all? If that was the ruling, I can envision a future where Presidents are spending a lot time defending themselves from politically motivated criminal and civil charges. The charges might not even be politically motivated. Extrapolating from the example I gave a few days ago, do we want a President to be able to be charged for murder by the family of innocent individuals killed in a drone strike while going after a legitimate military target?

There has to be some immunity. The issue is where to draw the line. The sad thing is that this even had to be brought before the SCOTUS.


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[UCGRAD4X]

The fact that the article self-describes as a "special hair-on-fire edition of TPM’s Morning Memo" tells you all you need to know. That and the the sky-is-falling hyperbole of the first few sentences makes this a very niche read.

[XU_Lou]

If this has been asked and answered, sorry for the repetition, but I can’t keep track of every post in here.

For those of you saying that the SCOTUS ruling means the President is above the law and untouchable, except for being impeached, do you think the ruling should have been that the President, whoever that might be, has no immunity at all? If that was the ruling, I can envision a future where Presidents are spending a lot time defending themselves from politically motivated criminal and civil charges. The charges might not even be politically motivated. Extrapolating from the example I gave a few days ago, do we want a President to be able to be charged for murder by the family of innocent individuals killed in a drone strike while going after a legitimate military target?

There has to be some immunity. The issue is where to draw the line. The sad thing is that this even had to be brought before the SCOTUS.


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Yes, this question has been asked several times, but Paul refuses to answer it. He and his fellow travelers can't think beyond their next meal.

[GoMuskies]

I'm sure Paul thinks Obama should be prosecuted for droning an American citizen.

[GoMuskies]

It’s funny watching dems on Twitter whine about the medias coverage post debate.

The conspiracy theories I'm seeing from the left are down right Q-ish. CNN intentionally messed with his lighting
CNN intentionally messed with his audio. The camera angle was more favorable to Trump. Trump somehow poisoned him.

Anything but the obvious that anyone with eyes and a brain has known for quite a while.

[paulxu]

I’m not defending Biden’s horrible debate performance.
I’m worried about the future of our country. That concern is shared by very knowledgeable people, including many advisors/cabinet members of the former president.
To the question noted earlier…somehow every president before him was OK with operating within the law. It’s only this former president who has a need for some sort of immunity. That should be the enough of a red flag for anyone looking at the upending of centuries of “no one is above the law”…our foundational principle to grasp.
Has anyone here read the decision? I urge you to do so. I think it will be like Dred Scott…and decades down the road be reversed. Hopefully the country is smart enough not to elect someone who wants to be dictator/king. That’s why we have a country in the first place; we didn’t want one.

[paulxu]

The conspiracy theories I'm seeing from the left are down right Q-ish. CNN intentionally messed with his lighting
CNN intentionally messed with his audio. The camera angle was more favorable to Trump. Trump somehow poisoned him.

Anything but the obvious that anyone with eyes and a brain has known for quite a while.

Where do you see these crazy ideas? On conservative websites? I don’t see them in the news feeds I follow.

[GoMuskies]

Twitter

[Strange Brew]

I’m not defending Biden’s horrible debate performance.
I’m worried about the future of our country. That concern is shared by very knowledgeable people, including many advisors/cabinet members of the former president.
To the question noted earlier…somehow every president before him was OK with operating within the law. It’s only this former president who has a need for some sort of immunity. That should be the enough of a red flag for anyone looking at the upending of centuries of “no one is above the law”…our foundational principle to grasp.
Has anyone here read the decision? I urge you to do so. I think it will be like Dred Scott…and decades down the road be reversed. Hopefully the country is smart enough not to elect someone who wants to be dictator/king. That’s why we have a country in the first place; we didn’t want one.

Have a great 4th Paul!

[GoMuskies]

No one asked for immunity before because no one tried to prosecute a former President before. I'm sure 45 was the first President to ever commit a criminal act in office. But anyway, the Supreme Court had never had reason to address this before because the issue was never in front of them before. I'm pretty certain most Presidents already assumed they were somewhat above the law. From now on they'll know the scope of their immunity.

[Muskie in dayton]

Those are your words, not mine.

I think women, because she is likeable (especially vs Trump who wants to fuck his daughter and grab'em by the pussy) unlike what Hilary was back in '16.

I think African American 1.) because historically they have voted democrat, and 2.) if you've not noticed she's a minority.
My words are Kamala is stupid, and only stupid people would vote her. I do not believe blacks and women are stupid, so they will not vote for her just because they have the same minority status/gender.

So, do you not believe Kamala is stupid then? She's left a clear record that she is.

Oh, and talk about fucking daughters, you should read Ashley Biden's diary.

[Muskie in dayton]

No one asked for immunity before because no one tried to prosecute a former President before. I'm sure 45 was the first President to ever commit a criminal act in office. But anyway, the Supreme Court had never had reason to address this before because the issue was never in front of them before. I'm pretty certain most Presidents already assumed they were somewhat above the law. From now on they'll know the scope of their immunity.
Precisely. The decision's impact has been grossly exaggerated by partisans on both sides.

How big of a steaming pile of dog shit is Democrat policy that they still need to resort to lawfare to beat a trash candidate like Trump? Sad.

[paulxu]

Maybe no president has ever knowingly stolen state secrets and refused to return them when subpeoned…necessitating a search warrant and seizure.
Who would have thought a former president would do that?
And yet people will still vote for him.
It’s a good thing he got his buddies to give him something no other president ever needed. They were not above the law.
They just let this grifter be.

[Xville]

My words are Kamala is stupid, and only stupid people would vote her. I do not believe blacks and women are stupid, so they will not vote for her just because they have the same minority status/gender.

So, do you not believe Kamala is stupid then? She's left a clear record that she is.

Oh, and talk about fucking daughters, you should read Ashley Biden's diary.

I’ve already stated I think she’s dumb. The thing is, the other option is trump who is also dumb and a pos.

Some would be fine with voting for someone stupid, because of the other option

[GoMuskies]

With Kamala, just think of what could be, unburdened by what has been.

[Xville]

With Kamala, just think of what could be, unburdened by what has been.

We have all these checks and balances right? So what’s it matter

[Strange Brew]

With Kamala, just think of what could be, unburdened by what has been.

Too funny GO.

And without the burden, think was what can be without the burden that has been burdening us as a people burdened and not able to achieve what could be. :)

[bjf123]

Too funny GO.

And without the burden, think was what can be without the burden that has been burdening us as a people burdened and not able to achieve what could be. :)

Public reps! [emoji1787]


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[STL_XUfan]

Looks like Labour is winning in a landslide in the UK. This plus the France result seems like the through line is that you do not want to be an incumbent party right now.

[Smails]

Maybe no president has ever knowingly stolen state secrets and refused to return them when subpeoned…necessitating a search warrant and seizure.
Who would have thought a former president would do that?
And yet people will still vote for him.
It’s a good thing he got his buddies to give him something no other president ever needed. They were not above the law.
They just let this grifter be.

LOL...it's gonna be okay Paul. It really is. Try your best to enjoy the 4th and not let another man completely dominate your thoughts and psyche. Find some joy in life!

[X-band '01]

Looks like Labour is winning in a landslide in the UK. This plus the France result seems like the through line is that you do not want to be an incumbent party right now.

Except that Sir Keir Starmer and the Labour Party are never going to be confused for a right-winger that's winning elections in Europe left and right. It'll be the first time in 14 years that Britain will have the House of Commons being run by the equivalent of Democrats in the USA.

[bjf123]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html

If accurate, this is truly terrifying. Who’s really in charge at the White House? This is not a right wing hit piece. AFAIK, the author leans Left, just not sure how far.


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[XU_Lou]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html

If accurate, this is truly terrifying. Who’s really in charge at the White House? This is not a right wing hit piece. AFAIK, the author leans Left, just not sure how far.


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Conservatives have known this for at least a year or two, but were dismissed as conspiracies (big surprise!). This isn't just a conspiracy by the White House, it's also a conspiracy by the media and all the Democrats in DC. They knew - there is no way in hell they didn't know. And now they're doing their best to act like this all came out of left field. This is all BS - they are every bit as complicit in this cover-up as the Biden family and his handlers are in the WH.

[GoMuskies]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/conspiracy-of-silence-to-protect-joe-biden.html

If accurate, this is truly terrifying. Who’s really in charge at the White House? This is not a right wing hit piece. AFAIK, the author leans Left, just not sure how far.


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That's both wild to see in print and obvious to anyone paying even a bit of attention.

[XU_Lou]

BTW, don't be surprised when Kamala becomes president as early as Monday. There are rumors out there....

[bjf123]

BTW, don't be surprised when Kamala becomes president as early as Monday. There are rumors out there....

Unless Biden resigns, doesn’t invoking the 25th amendment take a bit of time?


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[XU_Lou]

Unless Biden resigns, doesn’t invoking the 25th amendment take a bit of time?


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That's the rumor, that Biden will resign. Tom Fitton (Judicial Watch) and others are hearing this.

Major pressure is being exerted on Biden to get out: https://www.dailywire.com/news/disney-heiress-other-major-dem-donors-dump-biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ar-BB1puihw

This could be the Dems only path. Going with another candidate presents many problems:

* Some organization (I believe The Heritage Foundation), has threatened to sue the Dems on behalf of a few states if they choose another candidate. It has something to do with the election laws for a few key states - not sure of specifics though.

* There's also the issue with money that has already been donated to Biden-Harris. Apparently this isn't an issue if Biden resigns and Harris becomes the nominee. But there appears to be hurdles if Biden-Harris tried to transfer that to another candidate.

* Bypassing the primary process.


** also note that the media and several Dems are openly promoting Harris.

[Xville]

lol now lou believes the mainstream media. Livin in some parallel universe all of a sudden.

[Strange Brew]

I was curious as to why Republicans have been blamed for all of the ills of the late 20th C. and the past 24 years. I did a bit of research and realized it’s a ridiculous position as the Democrats held the House for nearly the entire last half of the Century and most of the current Century.

Democrats have also held the Senate the majority of the past 80 or so years.

The affiliation of the POTUS has been relatively even.

The Left also has had a stranglehold on the SCOTUS up until recently.

Just something to think about when the polls indicate 70-80% of the country believes we are on the wrong track.

[bjf123]

This might be overly simplistic, but I think the media has a lot to do with it. They tend to overreact to anything negative on the Right, while downplaying, or completely ignoring, anything negative by the Left.


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[Strange Brew]

This might be overly simplistic, but I think the media has a lot to do with it. They tend to overreact to anything negative on the Right, while downplaying, or completely ignoring, anything negative by the Left.


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I was going to write about the influence of TV and the memorizing affect it has had on society. However you nailed it.

Read more. I’m picking up Charles Percy Snow this weekend. Should be riveting. ;)

[Muskie in dayton]

You know it’s a lie when the talking point is standardized and repeated by the media:


“Russian interference”
“Horse dewormer”
“Safe and effective”
“Russian disinformation”
“It’s just a stutter.”
“Biden is fit to serve and he’s our nominee. I can’t wait to vote for him.


In case you ever wondered if you are a fucking idiot, just check to see if you ever used any of these phrases. Remember, the internet is forever.

Coming soon: “The most secure election ever.”

[UCGRAD4X]

Horse Dewormer?

I missed that one completely. Must be using the wrong media news sourse.

[MADXSTER]

Do you wonder if any Democrats are beginning to realize they have been lied to for years with one HOAX after another. ��

1. Suckers & Losers Hoax
2. Russian collusion Hoax
3. Mischaracterizing Trump's "very fine people" comment after Charlottesville as praise for neo-Nazis Hoax
4. 51 Intelligence Agents Hoax
5. 16 Economists say Trump will create an Inflation problem Hoax
6. Drink Bleach Hoax
7. Trump has Dementia Hoax
7.5. Biden is sharp and doesn't have Dementia Hoax
8. COVID-19 lab leak theory as a conspiracy when it was initially suggested by Trump and Republicans Hoax
9. J6 Committee Coverup & destroying evidence Hoax
10. Ivermectin / HCQ doesn't work & is dangerous Hoax
11. Claiming Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" Hoax
12. Accusing Trump of inciting violence on January 6th, despite his calls for peaceful protest Hoax
13. Russian bounties on American troops, which lacked strong intelligence backing Hoax
14. Portraying Trump's response to COVID-19 as completely dismissive, when he took some early actions like travel restrictions Hoax
15. KC Chiefs' child fan with face painted is racist for half red half black face paint Hoax
16. Covington teen kid is racist after Indian man got in his face beating drum Hoax
17. 2020 election was MOST secure in American history, mail in ballots and machines had no problems - 81 Million Votes for Biden Hoax
18. Covid Vax protects against infection Hoax
19. Jussie Smollet "This is MAGA Country" Hoax
20. Bubba Wallace Garage Pull Hoax
21. Governor Whitmer FBI Kidnapping Hoax
22. Chinese weather Ballon loose over America Hoax
23. Steele Dossier Hoax
24. Russia bombed their own pipeline Hoax
25. Border Patrol agents whipped migrants Hoax
26. Trump put kids in Obama's cages Hoax
27. Trump had nuclear secrets at Miralago Hoax
28. "Muslim" Travel Ban Hoax
29. Cuomo performed best leadership during Covid Hoax
30. Ghost of Kyiv Hoax
31. "Al-Bagdhadi was an "austere religious scholar" Hoax
32. Trump overfed Koi fish in Japan Hoax
33. Trump tax cuts only benefits wealthy Hoax
34. Trump mocked a reporter's disability Hoax
35. J6 protesters killed a police officer Hoax
36. Putin inflation price hike Hoax
37. Trump overpowered Secret Service to grab wheel of "The Beast" from back seat Hoax
38. Masks prevent Covid Hoax
39. BLM / Antifa were "mostly peaceful protesters" Hoax
40. Trump used teargas to clear peaceful protests for Bible photo op Hoax
41. Kavanaugh gang rape train Hoax
41. Democrats must "Protect Demcracy" by keeping Political opponent off the ballots by lawfare and jail.
42. Rape charges from a woman who didn’t know when it happened (also accused 12 other of rape), and best friend said it never happened Hoax.
43. New York changed statute of limitations on NDA FEC election interference Hoax
44. Ukraine can win war with enough money & weapons from US Hoax
45. Putin will invade Europe next Hoax
46. Climate Change (Global Warning rebranded) is the most existential threat to humanity Hoax
47. What did I miss?

Censorship of social media outlets to preserve Democracy Hoax

[Strange Brew]

Horse Dewormer?

I missed that one completely. Must be using the wrong media news sourse.

Hydroxychloroquine for COVID. Ville can correct me but I believe the Media dismissed it as horse medication.

From what I’ve read it is used to treat malaria and various other diseases in humans.

We, as a society lost our minds in 2020 (that is only my opinion).

[paulxu]

You think it’s a hoax what John Kelly said ?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

Hard to imagine how easily you all are duped by this grifter.

[XU_Lou]

Hydroxychloroquine for COVID. Ville can correct me but I believe the Media dismissed it as horse medication.

From what I’ve read it is used to treat malaria and various other diseases in humans.

We, as a society lost our minds in 2020 (that is only my opinion).

You didn't need that disclaimer....

[Xville]

Hydroxychloroquine for COVID. Ville can correct me but I believe the Media dismissed it as horse medication.

From what I’ve read it is used to treat malaria and various other diseases in humans.

We, as a society lost our minds in 2020 (that is only my opinion).

Ivermectin and for horses it is dewormer, so it is horse medication. It also has certain treatments for humans.

I’ll also add that about half of that stuff was neither a hoax or untrue but such is MOR

[Strange Brew]

Ivermectin and for horses it is dewormer, so it is horse medication. It also has certain treatments for humans.

I’ll also add that about half of that stuff was neither a hoax or untrue but such is MOR

Let’s be honest, I didn’t bring up Ivermectin. :)

[bobbiemcgee]

The Left also has had a stranglehold on the SCOTUS up until recently.

Just something to think about when the polls indicate 70-80% of the country believes we are on the wrong track.

As the X legal expert, it may surprise to know SCOTUS has had a right bent since 1969.

[X-band '01]

Bit of a surprise in France - Marine Le Pen's far-right party will not win the French Parliament. They looked large and in charge after the first round of voting, but now you've got three parties that will have the majority of the membership.

[Xville]

As the X legal expert, it may surprise to know SCOTUS has had a right bent since 1969.

It may also surprise you to know that since Reagan, d and r have each held the house ten times. R have held the senate 11 and d 9.

I guess I can also cherry pick some year and skew it toward a narrative like strange brew. It’s like uc talking about leading the series with x as if the 50s and 60s really matter in today’s basketball.

[X-band '01]

It may also surprise you to know that since Reagan, d and r have each held the house ten times. R have held the senate 11 and d 9.

I guess I can also cherry pick some year and skew it toward a narrative like strange brew. It’s like uc talking about leading the series with x as if the 50s and 60s really matter in today’s basketball.

It's actually fun telling Dayton fans they still lead the overall series with X. It's even more fun to tell them that a)they led the series by 41 games at one point and b)are you really sure you want to poke the sleeping dog and revive that series? What's the NCAA record for the biggest lead in a series only to lose said lead? I feel like that should be a Tom Eiser question to research during the summer.

[Xville]

BTW, don't be surprised when Kamala becomes president as early as Monday. There are rumors out there....

lol

[Xville]

That's the rumor, that Biden will resign. Tom Fitton (Judicial Watch) and others are hearing this.

Major pressure is being exerted on Biden to get out: https://www.dailywire.com/news/disney-heiress-other-major-dem-donors-dump-biden

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ar-BB1puihw

This could be the Dems only path. Going with another candidate presents many problems:

* Some organization (I believe The Heritage Foundation), has threatened to sue the Dems on behalf of a few states if they choose another candidate. It has something to do with the election laws for a few key states - not sure of specifics though.

* There's also the issue with money that has already been donated to Biden-Harris. Apparently this isn't an issue if Biden resigns and Harris becomes the nominee. But there appears to be hurdles if Biden-Harris tried to transfer that to another candidate.

* Bypassing the primary process.


** also note that the media and several Dems are openly promoting Harris.

lol

[Xville]

Lou must be losing his mind with UK and France's latest elections.

[noteggs]

Ivermectin and for horses it is dewormer, so it is horse medication. It also has certain treatments for humans.

I’ll also add that about half of that stuff was neither a hoax or untrue but such is MOR

Yes Ivermectin was developed as an animal medication and two years later became an important therapeutic for humans. Especially impoverished countries.

The drug has shown promise for humans in various disease states. The reason people were somewhat optimistic about using it with covid was because of its anti inflammatory properties. As you know, a lot of complications with covid were due to excessive inflammation.

Quite few older drugs become better with time the more we understand physiology and different pathways. From my perspective, for those calling it just a horse dewormer are being pretty ignorant (not pointing finger at you).

BTW, FDA is still reviewing its potential roll in treating covid. However, don’t ever seeing it approved.

Nice abstract on the history and potential uses of the drug.

https://www.cureus.com/articles/223832-ivermectin-a-multifaceted-drug-with-a-potential-beyond-anti-parasitic-therapy#!/

[Xuperman]

I'll also add that about half of that stuff was neither a hoax or untrue but such is MOR

People like you refuse to acknowledge how our political game is being played post Obama.

The MEDIA is "THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT" to our "Democracy". The MSM is now completely in COORDINATION with the Democrat Party....regularly referring themselves as "WE" and "US" in full throated support of the 2024 DEM ticket across the board. This is officially nothing but a propaganda alliance dedicated to defeating Trump and conservative Americans.

What happened the last time one party controlled the political narrative? Threat to Democracy? GTFO!!! What a master deceptive narrative by these America killers. The definition of a REAL THREAT to Democracy is the infiltration of self proclaimed SOCIALISTS in our highest positions of government and outright MARXIST ideology that has become normalized.

Your Country HAS been "Fundamentally Transformed".....freaking ignorant morons.

[Xville]

People like you refuse to acknowledge how our political game is being played post Obama.

The MEDIA is "THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT" to our "Democracy". The MSM is now completely in COORDINATION with the Democrat Party....regularly referring themselves as "WE" and "US" in full throated support of the 2024 DEM ticket across the board. This is officially nothing but a propaganda alliance dedicated to defeating Trump and conservative Americans.

What happened the last time one party controlled the political narrative? Threat to Democracy? GTFO!!! What a master deceptive narrative by these American killers. The definition of a REAL THREAT to Democracy is the infiltration of self proclaimed SOCIALISTS in our highest positions of government and outright MARXIST ideology that has become normalized.

Your Country HAS been "Fundamentally Transformed".....freaking ignorant morons.

Hilarious and delusional on so many levels. It was just this past week that the extremist dems were criticizing the media because of the coverage of Biden post debate.

Like everything else, you extremists on both sides want to believe whatever you want to believe.

Btw trump isn’t a conservative.

[bobbiemcgee]

It may also surprise you to know that since Reagan, d and r have each held the house ten times. R have held the senate 11 and d 9.

I guess I can also cherry pick some year and skew it toward a narrative like strange brew. It’s like uc talking about leading the series with x as if the 50s and 60s really matter in today’s basketball.

He said the left had a stranglehold on the scotus until recently. Try to catch up.

[Xville]

He said the left had a stranglehold on the scotus until recently. Try to catch up.

You’d think the self proclaimed expert on government here would have known the truth. Some very alternate reality strange brew is living in, but I hope he comes back soon to tell us the latest book he’s read to sound smart.

[Xuperman]

Hilarious and delusional on so many levels. It was just this past week that the extremist dems were criticizing the media because of the coverage of Biden post debate.

Like everything else, you extremists on both sides want to believe whatever you want to believe.

Btw trump isn’t a conservative.

My God.

Anyone, other than you, that thinks that post is "hilarious"....have not been paying attention.

Again....the overwhelming network of the MSM, Big Print, Hollywood Elites and left Mass Social Media, are now using "WE" and "US" when communicating the "NEWS" to the American electorate. They no longer attempt to be anything other than a PROPAGANDA megaphone for the Democrat Party.

How is it possible to see it in any other way?

[Masterofreality]

You think it’s a hoax what John Kelly said ?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trumpsaid -privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

Hard to imagine how easily you all are duped by this grifter.

Kelly wasn’t even near Trump when he allegedly said it. He was merely repeating what The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg had written- something that Goldberg said that he’d be publishing a follow up story naming sources and providing back .up. Goldberg mentioned zero sources in that story. Numerous people who were actually with Trump that day debunked the story.
Guess what?
Goldberg has never published a single word on this “story” since his original one.
Yeah. Hoax. Just like Charlottesville.

By the way. Kelly was definitely not a fan of Trump. He has defended Alexander Vindman who was the “whistleblower” on the phone call between Trump and Zelensky- even though Vindman wasn’t in that room either, and who has proven to be a highly Dem biased actor.

Add that as to the hoax.

But Paul is duped by a Dementia ridden 50 plus year politician who’s lies stretch from here to Mars-the current President. A grifter off the American public teat.

[Xuperman]

MOR is 100% correct. However, what Trump DID say about John McCain in the 2016 campaign was in the ballpark of that hoax.

Unfortunately Trump is/will be nothing but an over the top maniac that thrives on childish nicknames and insults. He is a perpetual embarrassment.

[paulxu]

I'll go with Kelly, you can go with Trump;

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

You probably believe his "university" and "charity" were legitimate. Sad times that some are so easily fooled by a person that only cares for himself.

[Xville]

You’d think that people like Mor and Xup would think maybe all these people that joined trump’s cabinet and left may be the ones telling the truth. But no, apparently everyone else is a liar and trump is their truth savior.

[xuphan]

YouÂ’d think that people like Mor and Xup would think maybe all these people that joined trumpÂ’s cabinet and left may be the ones telling the truth. But no, apparently everyone else is a liar and trump is their truth savior.

It just amazes me that people will go to lengths to defend Biden and Trump. Like what loyalty have they shown you to back their every comment and move? ItÂ’s ok to say both arenÂ’t fit to be president. ItÂ’s ok to want better than two old out of touch rich men who honest donÂ’t care about you. Until some of you address the real alligators in the swamp which are the political parties and their extreme view points hurting the country than the swamp will never be drained. Maybe discuss actual solvable problems like congress term limits, age restrictions for running for president, gerrymandering, Red Dye 40 and other artificial colors and sweeteners in food, PBMs causing pharmacyÂ’s to close at an alarming rate. Sorry, now back to the constant bickering about which old man is least worst.

[Xville]

It just amazes me that people will go to lengths to defend Biden and Trump. Like what loyalty have they shown you to back their every comment and move? ItÂ’s ok to say both arenÂ’t fit to be president. ItÂ’s ok to want better than two old out of touch rich men who honest donÂ’t care about you. Until some of you address the real alligators in the swamp which are the political parties and their extreme view points hurting the country than the swamp will never be drained. Maybe discuss actual solvable problems like congress term limits, age restrictions for running for president, gerrymandering, Red Dye 40 and other artificial colors and sweeteners in food, PBMs causing pharmacyÂ’s to close at an alarming rate. Sorry, now back to the constant bickering about which old man is least worst.

Agree with all of what you said, especially the bolded part. I got two buddies that work at separate flavoring companies. They have both told me you wouldn't believe some of the crap that is put into our food/drinks here in America.

One of my buddies shared with me to never drink Prime or any of the other brands that company makes---basically just drinking cancer right out of the bottle.

[Masterofreality]

I'll go with Kelly, you can go with Trump;

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/john-kelly-confirms-trump-privately-disparaged-us-service-members-vete-rcna118543

You probably believe his "university" and "charity" were legitimate. Sad times that some are so easily fooled by a person that only cares for himself.

Hmmmm. Even the Democrats deny anonymous sources when it comes to Biden.
I’ll go with the fact that Kelly wasn’t there and that he only cited the unnamed sources in Goldberg’s piece- the piece that, despite promises of providing backup, Goldberg never has.

From the Wall Street Journal today re: Biden at a NY Fundrsiser:

“ During a fundraiser at the Four Seasons in New York in June 2023, Biden spoke for five to 10 minutes and then took a few questions, said attendees who bought a ticket. They were struck by how fragile he seemed. At one point, Biden couldn’t recall the word for “veteran.” The president asked the group to help him find the word, saying he wanted to refer to a person who had served in the Army or Navy.

Asked about these events, Kevin Munoz, a Biden campaign spokesman, criticized reporters who used anonymous sources to recount the president’s behind-the-scenes interactions.”

Sad times when one can be duped by an Altsheimer patient and a 50 plus year lying politician.

[Masterofreality]

It just amazes me that people will go to lengths to defend Biden and Trump. Like what loyalty have they shown you to back their every comment and move? ItÂ’s ok to say both arenÂ’t fit to be president. ItÂ’s ok to want better than two old out of touch rich men who honest donÂ’t care about you. Until some of you address the real alligators in the swamp which are the political parties and their extreme view points hurting the country than the swamp will never be drained. Maybe discuss actual solvable problems like congress term limits, age restrictions for running for president, gerrymandering, Red Dye 40 and other artificial colors and sweeteners in food, PBMs causing pharmacyÂ’s to close at an alarming rate. Sorry, now back to the constant bickering about which old man is least worst.

You might find this surprising, but I didn’t vote for Trump either time. Nor did I vote for Crooked Hillary nor Biden.
I actually may not vote at all this time or, maybe for Crazy Kennedy as another protest vote, like I did for the Libertarian candidates.
Our screwed up Primary system is truly to blame. And it’s gotten worse.
The fact is that what the Democrats put forth these days is 100 times more bullshit and worse than the Repubs. It is truly insane crap.
And, yeah. I voted for JD Vance.

[xubrew]

Louisiana is now requiring that all public schools display the Ten Commandments in their classrooms. This has set off a hornets nest, which I kind of get, but here's what I don't get.

Gov. Jeff Landry ACTUALLY said this...


“If you want to respect the rule of law, you’ve got to start from the original lawgiver, which was Moses” who got the commandments from God, Landry said.

Article link: https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-ten-commandments-displayed-classrooms-571a2447906f7bbd5a166d53db005a62

What should draw criticism from EVERYONE is the brazen ignorance of this statement. Moses was NOT the first law-giver. There had been written laws for at least a thousand years before Moses is believed to have lived. I mean...if you're going to profess to know what's best for schools, shouldn't it look bad to everyone if this person comes off sounding like they themselves need to go back to school??

[bjf123]

Representative Greg Landsman was on with Scott Sloan this morning on WLW. Apparently, he’s going to be on a call today with other Dems discussing Biden. I did not catch all of the conversation, but Sloanie kept asking if Landsman thought Biden was mentally and physically capable of staying in office and being reelected. The only answers he could get revolved around Trump. He kept trying to get back to his question and Landsman kept going back to Trump. Not really surprising.

The same thing happens here on both sides. Deflection is the norm.


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[xubrew]

I don't think most Democrats who want Biden to step aside are all that concdrned about his mental and physical abilities. They realize that he has limitations, but that's not really what concerns them. What ACTUALLY concerns them is that they are realizing that he will lose to Trump. And...they are correct.

[GoMuskies]

Louisiana is now requiring that all public schools display the Ten Commandments in their classrooms.

It's absurd. Even Justice Barrett won't approve when a challenge to this law inevitably reaches the Supreme Court.

[paulxu]

Wonder what his Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc. constituents think.

https://x.com/i/status/1810684411786170787

[Xville]

Wonder what his Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc. constituents think.

https://x.com/i/status/1810684411786170787

Fucking moron. He should take a history class and strange brew’s constitution class

[xuwillie]

Fucking moron. He should take a history class and strange brew’s constitution class

Pretty dumb but not much different then some of the far left trying to turn us to a Muslim nation and they are pretty open about it.

[xuphan]

Wonder what his Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc. constituents think.

https://x.com/i/status/1810684411786170787

I highly doubt Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, or any other type of different religion make much of a percentage of his constituents. I am sure he is from a very conservative area which probably would admit this is a bit too much but what is the alternative? They won’t vote for a democrat and the only other option is this guy. It would be nice to get rid of political parties so there were more options for the general public to vote for.

Hopefully some media public shaming will get to this guy but I highly doubt it. Politicians are an interesting bunch.

[XU_Lou]

Some headlines from around the world:


Having Exhausted All Other Options, Obama Invites Biden Paddle Boarding: https://babylonbee.com/news/down-to-his-last-option-obama-invites-biden-paddle-boarding


Janet Yellen Reassures Nation That Biden’s Dementia Is Transitory: https://babylonbee.com/news/janet-yellen-reassures-nation-that-bidens-dementia-is-transitory


People Who Would Never Cheat In Elections Horrified By ‘Stop Cheating In Elections’ Bill: https://babylonbee.com/news/people-who-would-never-cheat-in-elections-horrified-by-stop-cheating-in-elections-bill

[94GRAD]

Some headlines from around the world:


Having Exhausted All Other Options, Obama Invites Biden Paddle Boarding: https://babylonbee.com/news/down-to-his-last-option-obama-invites-biden-paddle-boarding


Janet Yellen Reassures Nation That Biden’s Dementia Is Transitory: https://babylonbee.com/news/janet-yellen-reassures-nation-that-bidens-dementia-is-transitory


People Who Would Never Cheat In Elections Horrified By ‘Stop Cheating In Elections’ Bill: https://babylonbee.com/news/people-who-would-never-cheat-in-elections-horrified-by-stop-cheating-in-elections-bill

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're playing along with the jokes. BabylonBee is a satire website.

[xubrew]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're playing along with the jokes. BabylonBee is a satire website.

Well, that's quite generous of you. I'm not that generous. I don't think anyone else really will be either. He was completely fooled by what was obviously satire, and he never would have figured it out unless someone else pointed it out. He has, for a long time, shown a complete inability to decipher what is and is not actually true.

[bjf123]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're playing along with the jokes. BabylonBee is a satire website.

Gotta love Babylon Bee! They have some great stuff.


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[XU_Lou]

Why do libs lack a sense of humor?

[Xville]

Well, that's quite generous of you. I'm not that generous. I don't think anyone else really will be either. He was completely fooled by what was obviously satire, and he never would have figured it out unless someone else pointed it out. He has, for a long time, shown a complete inability to decipher what is and is not actually true.

This statement clearly suggests:

1.) you’re a lib
2.) you lack a sense of humor


We need blue font

[Masterofreality]

A question that “Journalists” and the American People should be asking.

If Joe Biden and the circle around him are willing to blatantly lie about his Mental Acuity-For 4 years at least, what else have they been blatantly been lying about?

-Joe’s relationship with Hunter in off-shore business relationships with bad actors like China?
-Claims of Job Creation?
-The “Inflation Reduction” Act?
- Severity of so-called “Climate Change”?

Any credibility that this Administration has claimed to have is now trashed and proven to be unwarranted.

It can now be verified. “Lyin’ Joe Biden”. Barack Obama has been proven to be correct on one thing.
“Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to Fuck things Up.”

[XU_Lou]

A question that “Journalists” and the American People should be asking.

If Joe Biden and the circle around him are willing to blatantly lie about his Mental Acuity-For 4 years at least, what else have they been blatantly been lying about?

-Joe’s relationship with Hunter in off-shore business relationships with bad actors like China?
-Claims of Job Creation?
-The “Inflation Reduction” Act?
- Severity of so-called “Climate Change”?

Any credibility that this Administration has claimed to have is now trashed and proven to be unwarranted.

It can now be verified. “Lyin’ Joe Biden”. Barack Obama has been proven to be correct on one thing.
“Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to Fuck things Up.”

And to be perfectly clear, and isn't getting quite as much attention, but the mainstream media is also 100% complicit in this cover-up. They knew!!

[XU_Lou]

More breaking news (and yes Brew, the Babylon Bee has far more credibility than the crap you're reading....)



In New 'Ocean's 14', George Clooney Pulls Off $30 Million Heist By Tricking People Into Giving Money To Politician Before Revealing He's Demented:

https://babylonbee.com/news/in-new-oceans-14-george-clooney-pulls-off-30-million-heist-by-tricking-people-into-giving-money-to-politician-before-revealing-hes-demented

[XU_Lou]

Ezra Klein: “ And I think it is clear, like people are like weighing the set of things. Like it would be quite unpleasant for me personally to come out against the president as a elected official in a Democratic Party and weighing what will happen if Donald Trump wins and saying in a revealed preference way, I can live with Donald Trump winning. And I've had people say that to me off the record, to be fair”

Tim Miller: “Really?”

Ezra Klein: “I've had top Democrats say to me, basically something like, I don't know why all these Democrats who think Donald Trump is an existential threat to democracy are acting the way they are. But the reason I'm acting the way I am is because I don't think that.

Tim Miller: “Who the **** is this? Out of your sources, Ezra. I'm about to be in leaking text mode over here myself. Like that is crazy. That's great, what? I guess it's consistent, but it's maddening, no?

Ezra Klein: I find it maddening, but I do find it consistent. Look, you can say this is true in a lot of things, right? It's a charge Republicans always throw at liberals, which is that if they really believe climate change is such a problem, they wouldn't fly on planes.


https://x.com/Timodc/status/1811136469911711877

[GoMuskies]

What's the over/under on the date Biden drops out? The pressure is mounting. Even Pelosi is talking publicly about the possibility.

[Masterofreality]

What's the over/under on the date Biden drops out? The pressure is mounting. Even Pelosi is talking publicly about the possibility.

The plan was never for Biden to serve a full second term. All the Washington swamp Dems knew it. They wanted Biden to beat Trump, then after inauguration at some quick point, they’d force a resignation and install Cackling Kamala as the first woman of color President without having to go through the nuisance of “Democracy” by having her duly elected- which, by her disapproval ratings, ain’t happening.
Unfortunately for them, now they’ll have to put her up on the ballot, and will get destroyed by her ridiculous word salads.

By the way. Here’s a nice tidy list of Joe Biden’s failures:

https://thespectator.com/politics/joe-biden-biggest-problem-health-leadership/

[X-man]

The plan was never for Biden to serve a full second term. All the Washington swamp Dems knew it. They wanted Biden to beat Trump, then after inauguration at some quick point, they’d force a resignation and install Cackling Kamala as the first woman of color President without having to go through the nuisance of “Democracy” by having her duly elected- which, by her disapproval ratings, ain’t happening.
Unfortunately for them, now they’ll have to put her up on the ballot, and will get destroyed by her ridiculous word salads.

By the way. Here’s a nice tidy list of Joe Biden’s failures:

https://thespectator.com/politics/joe-biden-biggest-problem-health-leadership/

Source?

[MADXSTER]

What's the over/under on the date Biden drops out? The pressure is mounting. Even Pelosi is talking publicly about the possibility.

At work, after Biden was elected, about ten people put down how many months Biden would be in office before bowing out due to mental issues. The shortest amount of time was 12 months. Only one person is left who said he would last the entire term.

Posting this because this isn't something that came out of nowhere. Everyone knew there were issues from the beginning.

[paulxu]

I think it's always the right of the voters to question the competency of their candidate, especially mental competency.
So, I think it's up to Biden to address the concerns, allay them or step aside.

Similarly, I'm struck by the total abdication of this duty by the Republicans.
While leading Democrats are questioning Biden's situation and it dominates the news, I never hear of Republicans questioning:
- why they have a convicted felon on the ticket
- why he has no policy proposals and spends his time at rallies fear mongering
- questioning his mental competency as he wonders all over making no sense about sharks, and electric boats, and other nonsense

Just imagine if Biden had spewed that nonsense about the sharks and boats. You can't imagine that.

[GoMuskies]

The Republican Party had an open and competitive primary. The voters (for better or for...no, just for worse) spoke, and the facts haven't really changed since that primary. It's a very different situation from what's happened on the Democrat side.

[paulxu]

Good points. Dems did what Repubs did in 2020. No competitive primaries.

Not sure that answers why there is no one questioning the points I raised on the Republican side. He wasn't a convicted felon before the primaries.
But, you're probably thinking he had all the indictments then...and you'd be correct.

I've voted Republican in the past, but the party I knew would have never supported a felon or someone who urged followers to stop the people's business by violence. And I haven't voted for a national candidate of the party for a long time, since I think the economics of supply side , massive tax cuts and unfunded wars they gave the country, put us in a fiscal hole that will burden my grandchildren maybe forever.

[Strange Brew]

Good points. Dems did what Repubs did in 2020. No competitive primaries.

Not sure that answers why there is no one questioning the points I raised on the Republican side. He wasn't a convicted felon before the primaries.
But, you're probably thinking he had all the indictments then...and you'd be correct.

I've voted Republican in the past, but the party I knew would have never supported a felon or someone who urged followers to stop the people's business by violence. And I haven't voted for a national candidate of the party for a long time, since I think the economics of supply side , massive tax cuts and unfunded wars they gave the country, put us in a fiscal hole that will burden my grandchildren maybe forever.

Yes, at present he is a convicted felon
No, he did not advocate for violence.

Just facts, not an endorsement.

Dems have added nothing to the National Debt?

[paulxu]

He has advocated violence. Telling people at rallies to punch others, urging people to go the Capitol and fight like hell and that he would join them (sure).
Yes, Dems have added to the debt, often to pull us out of a hole like 2008 and 2020. And Clinton screwed up signing Glass-Steagal repeal.
But he left a surplus behind, and we could have started paying down the debt instead of a massive tax cut followed by unfunded wars.
I certainly don’t want Trump back in to have another tax cut, primarily benefitting the well to do, and adding more debt.

[Xville]

This press conference should be real interesting…

[Strange Brew]

He has advocated violence. Telling people at rallies to punch others, urging people to go the Capitol and fight like hell and that he would join them (sure).
Yes, Dems have added to the debt, often to pull us out of a hole like 2008 and 2020. And Clinton screwed up signing Glass-Steagal repeal.
But he left a surplus behind, and we could have started paying down the debt instead of a massive tax cut followed by unfunded wars.
I certainly don’t want Trump back in to have another tax cut, primarily benefitting the well to do, and adding more debt.

Surplus on the debt? You sure about that?

Glad we agree we finally had a deficit surplus after the R’s took the House after 40 years of Dem control.

I haven’t see him say anything you stated in regards to the event you can’t stop obsessing about.

[GoMuskies]

This press conference should be real interesting…

A press conference that could lturn the country's political landscape upside down less than 4 months before "the most important election of our lifetimes" with "Democracy on the ballot". I think "interesting" may be an understatement.

Glad I'm headed to lawyer's league softball instead of watching! Should make for some good Twitter reading tonight, though.

[X-man]

I think it's always the right of the voters to question the competency of their candidate, especially mental competency.
So, I think it's up to Biden to address the concerns, allay them or step aside.

Similarly, I'm struck by the total abdication of this duty by the Republicans.
While leading Democrats are questioning Biden's situation and it dominates the news, I never hear of Republicans questioning:
- why they have a convicted felon on the ticket
- why he has no policy proposals and spends his time at rallies fear mongering
- questioning his mental competency as he wonders all over making no sense about sharks, and electric boats, and other nonsense

Just imagine if Biden had spewed that nonsense about the sharks and boats. You can't imagine that.

I’m not sure the Dem’s would be so public about their concerns if Biden were expected to win.

[Xville]

Right, let’s stop trying to imply that the dems are doing some noble gesture here. It’s because they want to save their own ass in their own races, and have their party in power. Period

[X-man]

I confess to being in that camp. Biden has been the best President in my (considerable) lifetime, and I think he could continue to govern well because of both his instincts and advisors, if he were re-elected. But I don’t believe that he can win. So I want to replace him with a more electable candidate who shares his vision. That’s Kamala, I believe.

[Strange Brew]

I confess to being in that camp. Biden has been the best President in my (considerable) lifetime, and I think he could continue to govern well because of both his instincts and advisors, if he were re-elected. But I don’t believe that he can win. So I want to replace him with a more electable candidate who shares his vision. That’s Kamala, I believe.

Serious question. By what metrics is he the best President of your lifetime?

[GoMuskies]

Holy fuck, that's wild. That's one person who likes Kamala. I guess the people she blew to get into power liked her, too, so we're up to maybe 100 total with X-man.

[X-man]

An excellent question. It’s because of what he has accomplished. LBJ would have gotten my vote here except for Vietnam. Nobody else is close.

[Strange Brew]

Holy fuck, that's wild. That's one person who likes Kamala. I guess the people she blew to get into power liked her, too, so we're up to maybe 100 total with X-man.

I appreciate your zeal however I was happy to see X-man posting here again. We don’t agree on much however he is intelligent and backs up his opinions well.

[Strange Brew]

An excellent question. It’s because of what he has accomplished. LBJ would have gotten my vote here except for Vietnam. Nobody else is close.

We agree on LBJ and Vietnam.

What do you believe LBJ accomplished?

[Xville]

Biden is not who I’d go with by any measure but alrighty. I like the zeal of that statement even though I completely disagree.

Maybe I was too young to know better but I thought Clinton was pretty damn good, and Reagan was as well.

[GoMuskies]

I appreciate your zeal however I was happy to see X-man posting here again. We don’t agree on much however he is intelligent and backs up his opinions well.

Ok

[Strange Brew]

Biden is not who I’d go with by any measure but alrighty. I like the zeal of that statement even though I completely disagree.

Maybe I was too young to know better but I thought Clinton was pretty damn good, and Reagan was as well.

I don’t disagree with either point in my lifetime.

[Strange Brew]

Ok

Sorry GO. I like hearing what X-Man has to say. I prefer it to George Clooney’s opinion. ;)

[GoMuskies]

Sorry GO. Point is valid however I kind of miss the guy here.

No worries. Posters like X-Man don't just fall out of a coconut tree.

[Xuperman]

Serious question. By what metrics is he the best President of your lifetime?

What he did from day one concerning the border and the complete nightmare he created because of those decisions alone....puts him at the very bottom of any American's lifetime.

[XU_Lou]

Seriously, has he died? Is he asleep? Kidnapped, missed the bus, power outage, another stuttering attack? Did Zelensky give him a beat down for calling him Putin?

Apparently the background flags aren't quite to his liking?

[bjf123]

I’m not sure the Dem’s would be so public about their concerns if Biden were expected to win.


Right, let’s stop trying to imply that the dems are doing some noble gesture here. It’s because they want to save their own ass in their own races, and have their party in power. Period

Spot on. If they thought Biden would win, there’d be no talk about his mental decline and the media would still be covering it up. They can’t hide behind the “fake video” claims of his press secretary any more.

It’s the same reason the media is now actually talking about Biden’s decline. The public is now painfully aware of their dereliction of duty by not accurately reporting about Biden.

I still remember CNN and MSNBC parading out mental health professionals during Trump’s first term after his “covfefe” tweet. They were talking about how it might be time to invoke the 25th amendment. Strange how the media had been so silent about Biden.


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[Strange Brew]

What he did from day one concerning the border and the complete nightmare he created because of those decisions alone....puts him at the very bottom of any American's lifetime.

I asked X-Man and he answered. I’d like to get his thoughts on LBJ.

[Strange Brew]

Why is he leading with NATO?

Americans don’t care about it at present.

Putin was involved in 911? Where is this going?

[Muskie in dayton]

Want to see the mental acuity of Trump in 4 years? Look at President Biden now.

If only there were another choice…

[Strange Brew]

Core inflation is the lowest in the years….

Yes, after it was driven up by spending.

There are still US hostages in Gaza? Thanks for admitting it.

[Strange Brew]

Please remember this guy campaigned from his basement in 2020.

Because COVID.

[Strange Brew]

His Dad was talking about “trickle down” at the table. When he was in the Senate. Haha!

[Xville]

Want to see the mental acuity of Trump in 4 years? Look at President Biden now.

If only there were another choice…

How the hell did we get to this point? If these two senile idiots are the kinds of candidates that are going to win primaries moving forward, we need to fix the primary process including the incumbent issue.

The rest of the world have to be laughing their ass off, or crying.

[Strange Brew]

How the hell did we get to this point? If these two senile idiots are the kinds of candidates that are going to win primaries moving forward, we need to fix the primary process including the incumbent issue.

The rest of the world have to be laughing their ass off, or crying.

Did Trump speak tonight? No.

BTW, define “rest of the World”. I’ve been laughing my ass off at their leaders for years. Why do you care?

[bjf123]

How the hell did we get to this point? If these two senile idiots are the kinds of candidates that are going to win primaries moving forward, we need to fix the primary process including the incumbent issue.

The rest of the world have to be laughing their ass off, or crying.

Until we get a viable 3rd party, we’re stuck with this primary process that rewards those who pander to the extremes of their respective parties. A middle of the road candidate, which I think would appeal to most voters, stands no chance in our current system.


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[Xville]

Did Trump speak tonight? No.

BTW, define “rest of the World”. I’ve laughing my ass off at their leaders for years. Why do you care?

The rest of the world is pretty self explanatory. It matters because one of these two jokers will be president for another four years and international policy and relations is kind of a big deal.

[Strange Brew]

The rest of the world is pretty self explanatory. It matters because one of these two jokers will be president for another four years and international policy and relations is kind of a big deal.

Who’s your ideal non-American leader? Name one.

[Xville]

Who’s your ideal non-American leader? Name one.

That doesn’t matter. I care about our leaders, how they are perceived by the rest of the world, and how we interact with them. It matters for our safety, our economy etc.

[Strange Brew]

That doesn’t matter. I care about our leaders, how they are perceived by the rest of the world, and how we interact with them. It matters for our safety, our economy etc.

Well, if it doesn’t matter then why would you care what they think?

[Xville]

Well, if it doesn’t matter then why would you care what they think?

I just said why it matters. I also said it doesn’t matter who my ideal non-American leader is. . Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.

[Strange Brew]

I just said why it matters. I also said it doesn’t matter who my ideal non-American leader is. . Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem.

No. I’m curious because I hear that a lot.

Maybe it’s time for the rest of the World to get better.

[xuphan]

No. I’m curious because I hear that a lot.

Maybe it’s time for the rest of the World to get better.

Anyone else catch the video of Biden introducing the Ukraine President as Putin? Figured that would be one thing he would never mess up but here we are.

[Muskie in dayton]

Until we get a viable 3rd party, we’re stuck with this primary process that rewards those who pander to the extremes of their respective parties. A middle of the road candidate, which I think would appeal to most voters, stands no chance in our current system.


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We’ll never get a viable third party until people stop voting like trained monkeys for the two corrupt shithole parties (which are actually just one corrupt shithole uniparty, but I digress).

if only there were another choice this year…

[Muskie in dayton]

Anyone else catch the video of Biden introducing the Ukraine President as Putin? Figured that would be one thing he would never mess up but here we are.
Welcome our from under your rock. He’s been talking telephone numbers for 4 years. You should expand your news sources.

[Smails]

I think it's always the right of the voters to question the competency of their candidate, especially mental competency.
So, I think it's up to Biden to address the concerns, allay them or step aside.



Wait...what? Are you saying it's not just a stutter we're dealing with? A couple weeks ago you lashed out, saying that people couldn't possibly be college educated if they didn't understand that Biden's gaffes are attributed to his stutter. I guess Clooney helped you see the light...lol

[Masterofreality]

Just imagine if Biden had spewed that nonsense about the sharks and boats. You can't imagine that.

Just imagine if Biden had spewed nonsense about no American troops dying overseas on his watch.
Just imagine if Biden had spewed nonsense about Beating Medicare.
Just imagine if Biden had introduced Zelinsky as Putin.

Oh! You actually can imagine that!

[xuwillie]

Did Trump speak tonight? No.

BTW, define “rest of the World”. I’ve been laughing my ass off at their leaders for years. Why do you care?

Yeah France and Canada can’t be laughing at anyone. Maybe china and Russia?! Ha

[paulxu]

Wait...what? Are you saying it's not just a stutter we're dealing with? A couple weeks ago you lashed out, saying that people couldn't possibly be college educated if they didn't understand that Biden's gaffes are attributed to his stutter. I guess Clooney helped you see the light...lol
Did you get your Trump University refund in the mail?
Or, did someone point out you’ve got a convicted felon and sexual abuser leading your party.
You must be so proud.

[GoMuskies]

Did you get your Trump University refund in the mail?
Or, did someone point out you’ve got a convicted felon and sexual abuser leading your party.
You must be so proud.

Unironically, this is actually the Democrats' strategy to deal with Biden's obvious lack of fitness for the job.

[Xville]

Did you get your Trump University refund in the mail?
Or, did someone point out you’ve got a convicted felon and sexual abuser leading your party.
You must be so proud.

When the only rebuttal you have to how bad your candidate is, is the “yeah but your candidate” argument, you don’t have much of a rebuttal.

[Muskie in dayton]

Horse dewormer. That’s what the Dems (aka, government parrots) called Ivermectin. Ivermectin, a long-proven safe drug with anti-viral properties that showed clear effectiveness in reducing Covid symptoms. The CDC, who is totally bought by Pfizer et al, had to quickly brush it under the rug. Why? Because it could greatly reduce their vax profits. Do the math from there.

Horse dewormer. There are many parrot references in the Covid-19 thread.

The CDC murders, and there are accomplices here. The internet is forever.

[Xville]

Horse dewormer. That’s what the Dems (aka, government parrots) called Ivermectin. Ivermectin, a long-proven safe drug with anti-viral properties that showed clear effectiveness in reducing Covid symptoms. The CDC, who is totally bought by Pfizer et al, had to quickly brush it under the rug. Why? Because it could greatly reduce their vax profits. Do the math from there.

Horse dewormer. There are many parrot references in the Covid-19 thread.

The CDC murders, and there are accomplices here. The internet is forever.

Yeah there has been zero proof that ivermectin actually works for Covid, but thanks for going down that road and being a psycho about it.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah there has been zero proof that ivermectin actually works for Covid, but thanks for going down that road and being a psycho about it.

Zero? You sure about that Champ?

[XU_Lou]

I love "informed" declaratives like these:


Pretty much anyone would blow out trump. Trump can only potentially beat Biden and that’s it

You sure about that, Champ?

From earlier this week:

A series of prominent Democrats were tested in a head-to-head ballot against Donald Trump:

Vice President Kamala Harris: 49% Trump, 43% Harris, 8% undecided
Senator Bernie Sanders: 48% Trump, 42% Sanders, 10% undecided
California Governor Gavin Newsom: 48% Trump, 40% Newsom, 12% undecided
Former Vice President Al Gore: 47% Trump, 42% Gore, 11% undecided
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton: 48% Trump, 41% Clinton, 11% undecided
Senator Elizabeth Warren: 49% Trump, 39% Warren, 13% undecided
Secretary of State Pete Buttigieg: 49% Trump, 39% Buttigieg, 12% undecided
Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro: 46% Trump, 38% Shapiro, 16% undecided
Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer: 48% Trump, 38% Whitmer, 15% undecided

This was from Emerson, one of the most accurate polls in 2020: https://emersoncollegepolling.com/july-2024-national-poll-trump-46-biden-43/

[Xville]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801827

https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/yet-another-study-shows-little-benefit-ivermectin-covid-19

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-drugs/faq-20485627


Do some research outside of your tin foil hat extreme conspiracy blogs. I guess instead of zero I should have said except for the crap that lou and mid read and believe

[XU_Lou]

Big deal! Anyone can use Google to find anything that confirms their bias, right? Dig a little deeper, Champ...

[Xville]

Big deal! Anyone can use Google to find anything that confirms their bias, right? Dig a little deeper, Champ...

Your last two posts are beyond ironic. You’re good for a laugh.

It’s cute you came up with a new nickname for me though since the last one exposed you once again as a liar.

[paulxu]

When I realized that fake electors who tried to overthrow an election with fake ballots to Congress, are actually delegates to the Republican Convention, including one on the Republican National Committee, I knew that this guy's take was spot one. Can't respect anymore, but hopefully can remain civil.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/12/11/why-ive-lost-respect-for-my-republican-friends/

[GoMuskies]

Whew, sounds like that guy's former friends dodged a bullet!

A lot of my family has become toxic over politics, too. Makes me sad for them.

[Xville]

When I realized that fake electors who tried to overthrow an election with fake ballots to Congress, are actually delegates to the Republican Convention, including one on the Republican National Committee, I knew that this guy's take was spot one. Can't respect anymore, but hopefully can remain civil.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/12/11/why-ive-lost-respect-for-my-republican-friends/

Gotta love when someone stereotypes everyone because of party affiliation. That’s what extremists do i guess.

[xuwillie]

Gotta love when someone stereotypes everyone because of party affiliation. That’s what extremists do i guess.

Yeah this kind of bullying antic worked in ‘20. Don’t think it will this time around.

[XU_Lou]

When I realized that fake electors who tried to overthrow an election with fake ballots to Congress, are actually delegates to the Republican Convention, including one on the Republican National Committee, I knew that this guy's take was spot one. Can't respect anymore, but hopefully can remain civil.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2021/12/11/why-ive-lost-respect-for-my-republican-friends/

Two things:

1) .....

...anyway...

[XU_Lou]

So, is this the "Seal Team 6" scenario that the libs were screaming about just a few weeks ago?


No Longer a Conspiracy: There Is a Dem 'Committee to Unelect the President'

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2024/07/13/axios-the-committee-to-unelected-the-president-n2641786


Holy shit! If Democrats and their sycophants in the media were honest with themselves (and their constituents), and never embraced DEI, they never would've been in this situation.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people....

[xukeith]

Looks like a crazy nutty guy shot at Trump in PA rally. Blood on Trump's face....but he is showing life. Scary world we live in.

[GoMuskies]

If you can't beat him, shoot him.

[Xville]

If you can't beat him, shoot him.

Pretty bad aim if you were trying to take him out.. like harry in dumb and dumber… “what if they shot you in the face?”

In all seriousness, that is effed up but considering our political climate, and the amount of psycho in this country, not surprised.

[Xuperman]

If you can't beat him, shoot him.

Trump just got elevated into the stratosphere!!

This is campaign GOLD. The Trump narrative is going to be legendary. I mean....ALMOST JFK!

[bjf123]

There’s apparently still “confusion” as to whether or not it was an assassination attempt on Trump. Regardless, these headlines from WaPo and CNN, if accurate, show just how biased the media is.

https://x.com/cernovich/status/1812262203028021446?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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[GoMuskies]

The shooter was killed.

[Xuperman]

There’s apparently still “confusion” as to whether or not it was an assassination attempt on Trump. Regardless, these headlines from WaPo and CNN, if accurate, show just how biased the media is.

https://x.com/cernovich/status/1812262203028021446?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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No gun shot? Staged??

[bjf123]

No gun shot? Staged??

Reports on Twitter are now saying the shooter and one person in the crowd are dead, with another person in the crowd in serious condition with a gunshot wound.

Sounds like gunshots here, but not a large caliber.

https://x.com/realdailywire/status/1812257812916904431?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g

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[xuphan]

No gun shot? Staged??

Crickets from the White House. You would think something of this magnitude would prompt the White House to put out some sort of briefing but nothing.

[Xville]

Gotta love the extremist nutjobs including congressmen and women immediately pointing fingers at everyone. Yeah, that’ll make things better

[Xville]

Crickets from the White House. You would think something of this magnitude would prompt the White House to put out some sort of briefing but nothing.

It’s his naptime

[bjf123]

BBC interview with someone who claims he saw the shooter climbing onto a roof. If true, the Secret Service colossally fucked up.

https://x.com/bretbaier/status/1812272342338531621?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g


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[Xville]

Our political environment is so fucked up that I have had people on different text chains type things like “hoax” and “the shooter was from the cia or fbi and of course he’s dead so he can’t talk.”

This is the world we live in. People are beyond bonkers

[noteggs]

NBC headlines a hour and half after shooting. “Trump apparently injured after shots fired” while showing blood coming from ear to mouth? Is this like mostly peaceful protest when we see huge fire in background? Honestly tho, MSM doing a pretty good job covering.

[GoMuskies]

Our political environment is so fucked up that I have had people on different text chains type things like “hoax” and “the shooter was from the cia or fbi and of course he’s dead so he can’t talk.”

This is the world we live in. People are beyond bonkers

Someone got shot in the head and killed by a "hoax".

[bjf123]

Will the MSM condemn Biden’s “put Trump in the bullseye” comment? You know they go batshit crazy whenever someone on the Right says something like that, accusing them of inciting violence.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/democrats-donors-biden-election/index.html


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[xukeith]

Will the MSM condemn Biden’s “put Trump in the bullseye” comment? You know they go batshit crazy whenever someone on the Right says something like that, accusing them of inciting violence.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/politics/democrats-donors-biden-election/index.html


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very true indeed.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yeah there has been zero proof that ivermectin actually works for Covid, but thanks for going down that road and being a psycho about it.
This has nothing to do with my post, but thanks. Hopefully you can connect the dots, but let me know if I need to do it for you.

[Muskie in dayton]

Reports are that the shooter was just an idea.

[GoMuskies]

Trump moved from -175 to -300 in betting odds to win the election after the assassination attempt.

[Xville]

This has nothing to do with my post, but thanks. Hopefully you can connect the dots, but let me know if I need to do it for you.

Your entire post was whining about Covid, the media, Pfizer etc and ivermectin was your example. When your example is completely wrong, your “argument” falls flat.

Your ivermectin had about as much effectiveness as your 6ft that you probably whined about

[Xuperman]

Registered Republican that donated $15 to a Liberal turnout group. Motive will be key.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html

[xukeith]

Per Twitter reflection:
"At least, Biden did not go back to the full Biden beat-up porn of the past (e.g., “If we were in high school, I’d take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him"/ “The press always asks me, ‘Don’t I wish I were debating him?’ No, I wish we were in high school – I could take him behind the gym. That’s what I wish.”)."

[Smails]

Did you get your Trump University refund in the mail?
Or, did someone point out you’ve got a convicted felon and sexual abuser leading your party.
You must be so proud.

This sounds like the response a 7 year old would give when backed into a corner.

Trump University? I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted. Can you enlighten me? What about your stutter claims? Do you still think it's his stutter that has his own party looking to replace him?

[XU_Lou]

I have questions:

First of all, I am so fucking proud to be a Trump supporter. If you don't understand the bond his supporters have with him and his populace movement of opposing the globalist elites, after his reaction last night, then you're probably a lost soul.


Anyway, I have questions:

1) The first is obvious as all hell: How did the Secret Service not have anyone atop the AGR building from where the assassin acted?

2) Where did the assassin receive his training? There's no way someone off the street could fire a rifle like that, with that amount of accuracy, without training. Dan Bongino suggested that he may have hurried his shot because several people were yelling of his presence.

3) In the video below, you see the counter snipers atop the building immediately on Trump's flank. Apparently these were the guys that delivered the kill shot. Presumably, how did they not see what so many others saw from their elevated vantage point?

4) On the flipside, they DO appear to be alerted to the assassin. If you watch the video closely, it looks as if they began firing on the assassin almost at the same time the assassin started firing. This begs two questions: (a) why did they presumably wait so long to act, and (b) for how long were they aware of the threat, and why didn't they send out an alert?


I'm not alleging anything, I just need answers. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever get any straight answers. [Jack Ruby] has already shot [Oswald], and the corrupt, Trump-hating DOJ/FBI/CIA's [Warren Commission] will likely be a cover-up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5c0AEGIMo8

Looks like Youtube is trying to censor this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5c0AEGIMo8

https://x.com/coladoggxxx/status/1812285847921910241

https://x.com/scrowder/status/1812359102653255988

[bjf123]

Registered Republican that donated $15 to a Liberal turnout group. Motive will be key.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/14/us/politics/trump-gunman-thomas-crooks.html

Just heard a news report that they found bomb making materials in the shooter’s car and home.


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[Xville]

Just heard a news report that they found bomb making materials in the shooter’s car and home.


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Another deranged idiot with mental health issues and access to guns, yay!

[Xville]

I have questions:

First of all, I am so fucking proud to be a Trump supporter. If you don't understand the bond his supporters have with him and his populace movement of opposing the globalist elites, after his reaction last night, then you're probably a lost soul.


Anyway, I have questions:

1) The first is obvious as all hell: How did the Secret Service not have anyone atop the AGR building from where the assassin acted?

2) Where did the assassin receive his training? There's no way someone off the street could fire a rifle like that, with that amount of accuracy, without training. Dan Bongino suggested that he may have hurried his shot because several people were yelling of his presence.

3) In the video below, you see the counter snipers atop the building immediately on Trump's flank. Apparently these were the guys that delivered the kill shot. Presumably, how did they not see what so many others saw from their elevated vantage point?

4) On the flipside, they DO appear to be alerted to the assassin. If you watch the video closely, it looks as if they began firing on the assassin almost at the same time the assassin started firing. This begs two questions: (a) why did they presumably wait so long to act, and (b) for how long were they aware of the threat, and why didn't they send out an alert?


I'm not alleging anything, I just need answers. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever get any straight answers. [Jack Ruby] has already shot [Oswald], and the corrupt, Trump-hating DOJ/FBI/CIA's [Warren Commission] will likely be a cover-up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5c0AEGIMo8

Looks like Youtube is trying to censor this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5c0AEGIMo8

https://x.com/coladoggxxx/status/1812285847921910241

https://x.com/scrowder/status/1812359102653255988

2.hitting a target from 150 yards with an ar 15 rifle is not hard, at all.

[xuphan]

Another deranged idiot with mental health issues and access to guns, yay!

Mental Health Issues at an all time high in this country? Check

More Access to Guns and Ammo in this country? Check

Political hate at an all time high in this country? Check

Is anyone really surprised this has happened? Especially in an outside event? I’m actually surprised this doesn’t happen more often with the amount of political hate, access to weapons, and mental health issues that plague this country. It would be nice if we could actually focus on the issues at hand and how each of these candidates will address these issues. Instead of the constant name calling that does nothing for this country except divide and cause Americans to hate each other. This would be a great time for politicians on both sides to until together to stamp this type of hate out but I won’t hold my breath on it.

[Xville]

Mental Health Issues at an all time high in this country? Check

More Access to Guns and Ammo in this country? Check

Political hate at an all time high in this country? Check

Is anyone really surprised this has happened? Especially in an outside event? I’m actually surprised this doesn’t happen more often with the amount of political hate, access to weapons, and mental health issues that plague this country. It would be nice if we could actually focus on the issues at hand and how each of these candidates will address these issues. Instead of the constant name calling that does nothing for this country except divide and cause Americans to hate each other. This would be a great time for politicians on both sides to until together to stamp this type of hate out but I won’t hold my breath on it.


I was thinking about that last night. Kind of amazing there hasn’t been attempt since ‘81. That’s a long time ago.


I find some of the outrage from the crazy right a little ridiculous. It’s coming from the same people that don’t seem to give an f when it happens on what seems a yearly basis at schools etc. and multiple people are killed.

There’s a mental health and a gun problem in this country. Let’s maybe do something about it.

[Muskie in dayton]

Your entire post was whining about Covid, the media, Pfizer etc and ivermectin was your example. When your example is completely wrong, your “argument” falls flat.

Your ivermectin had about as much effectiveness as your 6ft that you probably whined about

I suspected I'd have to connect the dots for you.

2020: Ivermectin was a long-proven safe drug that had potential to lessen the effects of Covid. There was not yet the chance to study if it did or did not show any effectiveness against Covid. Why would it need to be degraded by labeling it "horse dewormer"? Why would idiots like some here parrot that phrase when they had no idea? The studies were conducted because it has potential, and they took place after the "horse dewormer" propaganda. They are, therefore, irrelevant to my point. Hopefully that helps.

By the way, the studies showed some (albeit limited) effectiveness, and Ivermectin is still completely safe. Would we have been at least slightly better off if Ivermectin were widely used? You know the answer.

You are slow on the uptake, but way too quick on the output. Think more, post less.

[Muskie in dayton]

I was thinking about that last night. Kind of amazing there hasn’t been attempt since ‘81. That’s a long time ago.


I find some of the outrage from the crazy right a little ridiculous. It’s coming from the same people that don’t seem to give an f when it happens on what seems a yearly basis at schools etc. and multiple people are killed.

There’s a mental health and a gun problem in this country. Let’s maybe do something about it.
The shooter took the gun from his father, who legally purchased it. Is there proof the shooter was mentally ill?

Think more, post less.

[STL_XUfan]

Is there proof the shooter was mentally ill?


I mean he just tried to assassinate a major party nominee.

[Xville]

The shooter took the gun from his father, who legally purchased it. Is there proof the shooter was mentally ill?

Think more, post less.

Yeah you’re right. Mentally healthy people try to assasinate a presidential candidate.

Does because his father got it legally mean we don’t have a gun problem?


You just need to think and not post at all.

[Xville]

I suspected I'd have to connect the dots for you.

2020: Ivermectin was a long-proven safe drug that had potential to lessen the effects of Covid. There was not yet the chance to study if it did or did not show any effectiveness against Covid. Why would it need to be degraded by labeling it "horse dewormer"? Why would idiots like some here parrot that phrase when they had no idea? The studies were conducted because it has potential, and they took place after the "horse dewormer" propaganda. They are, therefore, irrelevant to my point. Hopefully that helps.

By the way, the studies showed some (albeit limited) effectiveness, and Ivermectin is still completely safe. Would we have been at least slightly better off if Ivermectin were widely used? You know the answer.

You are slow on the uptake, but way too quick on the output. Think more, post less.

it is horse dewormer. It also has some antiviral effectiveness in humans, not covid.

If it was widely used it would have done nothing, because it wasn’t effective which I pointed out in a clear concise manner.

That’s like saying had everyone worn masks appropriately, would we have been more slightly better off. I think you know the answer


You have a habit of thinking you are a lot smarter than you actually are

[noteggs]

I was thinking about that last night. Kind of amazing there hasn’t been attempt since ‘81. That’s a long time ago.


I find some of the outrage from the crazy right a little ridiculous. It’s coming from the same people that don’t seem to give an f when it happens on what seems a yearly basis at schools etc. and multiple people are killed.

There’s a mental health and a gun problem in this country. Let’s maybe do something about it.

Yeah for president to get shot. Some seven years ago a deranged shooter shot at Republican lawmakers during baseball practice. Almost killing the majority whip.

[Xville]

Yeah for president to get shot. Some seven years ago a deranged shooter shot at Republican lawmakers during baseball practice. Almost killing the majority whip.

Ah yeah forgot about that one.

[bjf123]

Yeah for president to get shot. Some seven years ago a deranged shooter shot at Republican lawmakers during baseball practice. Almost killing the majority whip.

Didn’t that get brushed under the rug with it being “officially” determined to be suicide by cop, instead of a nut job trying to kill Republicans?


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[xukeith]

I imagine if you hear over and over again that Trump is "Hitler", a threat to the existence of democracy, evil, horrible, satan, then someone might take those thoughts to heart and do something about it.


Joy Behar, Gary Griffen's sister, and the View probably feel justified in their drama names.

[noteggs]

Didn’t that get brushed under the rug with it being “officially” determined to be suicide by cop, instead of a nut job trying to kill Republicans?


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Yeah by the FBI but Alexandria prosecutors called it terrorism on their findings. What a joke by FBI. Think it was originally a McCabe case which tells you something.

Look at shooters social should give you a clue on his motives. Also when he got to ballpark, asked which team was practicing. After hearing rebubs, he went to his van to get his gun. If he really wanted to get killed by a cop, just point it at them.

[Strange Brew]

I imagine if you hear over and over again that Trump is "Hitler", a threat to the existence of democracy, evil, horrible, satan, then someone might take those thoughts to heart and do something about it.


Joy Behar, Gary Griffen's sister, and the View probably feel justified in their drama names.

I didn’t know Gary however the man passed away. Leave him alone.

[GoMuskies]

It's been over 24 hours since Trump was shot, so I figure the new talking points memo must be out. I thought we'd have seen the gist of that posted here by now.

[Xville]

It's been over 24 hours since Trump was shot, so I figure the new talking points memo must be out. I thought we'd have seen the gist of that posted here by now.

More important things happened today. Pour one out for Brenda Walsh

[GoMuskies]

More important things happened today. Pour one out for Brenda Walsh

And Richard Simmons. :(

[Strange Brew]

I’m concerned that some “college educated” people are so flippant about what happened.

Not you GO.

A former President of the United States of America and current front runner was within an inch of being killed.

No, it isn’t the guns fault. It’s ours.

[STL_XUfan]

I’m concerned that some “college educated” people are so flippant about what happened.

Not you GO.

A former President of the United States of America and current front runner was within an inch of being killed.

No, it isn’t the guns fault. It’s ours.

I’d say the gun helped. Seems like Trump would have to be pretty spotty in the heart to be injured by the guy yelling bang at him from 150 yards away. (Credits to Eddie Izzard)

[Xville]

I’m concerned that some “college educated” people are so flippant about what happened.

Not you GO.

A former President of the United States of America and current front runner was within an inch of being killed.

No, it isn’t the guns fault. It’s ours.

Yes the mentally unstable person who had access to a gun is what happened. Rinse and repeat. Maybe you haven’t noticed but it’s been an issue for a long time now. An issue our politicians refuse to fix for various reasons.

“Ours?” F no. It’s our moron politicians.

[Strange Brew]

Yes the mentally unstable person who had access to a gun is what happened. Rinse and repeat. Maybe you haven’t noticed but it’s been an issue for a long time now. An issue our politicians refuse to fix for various reasons.

“Ours?” F no. It’s our moron politicians.

No, it’s you.

I apologize I didn’t realize so many men didn’t grow up without a proper respect for firearms.

[Xville]

No, it’s you.

I apologize I didn’t realize so many men didn’t grow up without a proper respect for firearms.

You’re an idiot.

I basically grew up on a farm. We had plenty of shotguns.

Doesn’t mean we don’t have a gun problem in our country, and doesn’t mean we don’t have severe mental health issues in this country.

“Respect your firearms” —- you’re part of the problem for having your head buried in the sand.


Good thing his dad respected that firearm. I guess the kid did too, he used it after all. Doing what it’s intended for… shooting

I guess we can all be thankful he had access to the gun though. Otherwise the mentally unstable kid would have used the bomb materials in his car.

[XU_Lou]

New video of shooter crawling up roof: https://x.com/dc_draino/status/1812642041391915384?s=42&t=lI0GLnKOAA3UnvW3tQ-Bug

[Strange Brew]

You’re an idiot.

I basically grew up on a farm. We had plenty of shotguns.

Doesn’t mean we don’t have a gun problem in our country, and doesn’t mean we don’t have severe mental health issues in this country.

“Respect your firearms” —- you’re part of the problem for having your head buried in the sand.


Good thing his dad respected that firearm. I guess the kid did too, he used it after all. Doing what it’s intended for… shooting

I guess we can all be thankful he had access to the gun though. Otherwise the mentally unstable kid would have used the bomb materials in his car.

You may have a bigger ego than Trump.

[bobbiemcgee]

I’m concerned that some “college educated” people are so flippant about what happened.

Not you GO.

A former President of the United States of America and current front runner was within an inch of being killed.

No, it isn’t the guns fault. It’s ours.

Yeah, another mass shooting with an AR 15...happens every day.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, another mass shooting with an AR 15...haopens every day.

People simply do not understand the founders concept of the people v government focus of the 2nd Amendment. Obviously there was no ability to foresee weapon tech advancement......so a "well regulated militia" Constitutionality is meant to establish EQUAL means of force.

How this Constitutional right has been violently deformed in the fabric of our nations mentality is a completely different situation.