Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

So you and the ny post is telling us that a guy who was born Jewish, whose last name was Schwartz, whose family survived the nazi occupation of his country, helped to transition his country away from communism to a democracy is actively funding Jewish hate groups ? That sound a little crazy to anyone else?

There are things about Soros I certainly don’t agree with, and he’s funded the hell out of democratic candidates and democratic policies, but I have a hard time believing that he’s actively funding Jewish hate groups.

Yep, that’s what the Post is saying.

[Xville]

Yep, that’s what the Post is saying.

There’s some jump to conclusion mats in that article if you read thru it. Being that it is from a far right writer, who has been sued before for libel, it’s hard for me to take it seriously.

[Strange Brew]

There’s some jump to conclusion mats in that article if you read thru it. Being that it is from a far right writer, it’s hard for me to take it seriously.

Well, three options.
- both Soro’s backstory and the Post’s are true.
- only one is true
- neither are true

Feel free to draw your own conclusion.

[Xville]

Well, three options.
- both Soro’s backstory and the Post’s are true.
- only one is true
- neither are true

Feel free to draw your own conclusion.

My opinion is that Soros background is true, some of the ny post story can be true in that he has funded some democractic and progressive causes. What I find questionable is the link between what he funds and anti Jewish hate groups. That’s why I say jump to conclusions

[noteggs]

So you and the ny post is telling us that a guy who was born Jewish, whose last name was Schwartz, whose family survived the nazi occupation of his country, helped to transition his country away from communism to a democracy is actively funding Jewish hate groups ? That sound a little crazy to anyone else?

There are things about Soros I certainly don’t agree with, and he’s funded the hell out of democratic candidates and democratic policies, but I have a hard time believing that he’s actively funding Jewish hate groups.

I’m not telling you shit. You asked for a source

[Xville]

I’m not telling you shit. You asked for a source

Fair.

[bobbiemcgee]

It's Festivus all year here.

[Xuperman]

I’m not telling you shit. You asked for a source

Here is another that explains everything.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-soros-backlash-how-the-nation-has-turned-against-soft-on-crime-prosecutors/ar-BB1iFtmo

[Xuperman]

I feel obligated to continue to post what is going on at News Nation.

Cuomo tonight was as critically accurate and passionate as possible. We are in DIRE STRAITS folks, and he communicated that concern like no one else can.

Please watch.

[xuphan]

I feel obligated to continue to post what is going on at News Nation.

Cuomo tonight was as critically accurate and passionate as possible. We are in DIRE STRAITS folks, and he communicated that concern like no one else can.

Please watch.

I truly believe the Republican and Democratic parties are inching this country to a second civil war which may be the beginning of the end of this country. I find it completely odd that we have people on college campus targeting Israel because they are defending their country from a terrorist attack last year. An unprovoked terrorist attack by Hamas yet Israel is in the wrong. What is wrong with these people. Use common sense.

[Strange Brew]

I truly believe the Republican and Democratic parties are inching this country to a second civil war which may be the beginning of the end of this country. I find it completely odd that we have people on college campus targeting Israel because they are defending their country from a terrorist attack last year. An unprovoked terrorist attack by Hamas yet Israel is in the wrong. What is wrong with these people. Use common sense.

Well, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s been a part of college since, college. I remember laughing at the “Sodexo kids” when I was at X.

Can we all agree, for once. “We’re not going to protest!, we’re not going to protest!”. I miss my free trips to the salad bar..;)

[XU_Lou]

I truly believe the Republican and Democratic parties are inching this country to a second civil war which may be the beginning of the end of this country. I find it completely odd that we have people on college campus targeting Israel because they are defending their country from a terrorist attack last year. An unprovoked terrorist attack by Hamas yet Israel is in the wrong. What is wrong with these people. Use common sense.

What exactly are the Republicans doing that's leading you to conclude they're itching for a civil war?

[Strange Brew]

What exactly are the Republicans doing that's leading you to conclude they're itching for a civil war?

Forget it. These people think Engels and his co-patriot were German.

Like Paul said…:)

[Xuperman]

I truly believe the Republican and Democratic parties are inching this country to a second civil war which may be the beginning of the end of this country.

We are in the "Cold War" phase right now. The combatants are pretty well defined, if you take the blinders off.

We have a large, and growing, segment of our population convinced that America is historically racist and exploitive. These are the "Fundamentally Transform America" supporters that reside almost entirely in the Democrat party. Those that strongly disagree and will actively push back are in the conservative Republican segment.

The key battles involve the sweeping implementation of DEI and social justice reform in our Legal Systems/Law enforcement that are high priorities of Democrat policy. These are DANGEROUS and eventually will become intolerable for some folks.

If Law enforcement continues to be vilified and demoralized by the progressive left and Marxist ideology becomes excepted/normalized you have to consider the inevitable.

So, are we seeing the conditions that could transition into some form of a "Hot" war? No doubt. The BLM riots came very close and the anti-American poison in these University protests are now permanently in the fabric of our country. If allowed to continue....it doesn't end well.

[STL_XUfan]

We are in the "Cold War" phase right now. The combatants are pretty well defined, if you take the blinders off.

We have a large, and growing, segment of our population convinced that America is historically racist and exploitive. These are the "Fundamentally Transform America" supporters that reside almost entirely in the Democrat party. Those that strongly disagree and will actively push back are in the conservative Republican segment.

The key battles involve the sweeping implementation of DEI and social justice reform in our Legal Systems/Law enforcement that are high priorities of Democrat policy. These are DANGEROUS and eventually will become intolerable for some folks.

If Law enforcement continues to be vilified and demoralized by the progressive left and Marxist ideology becomes excepted/normalized you have to consider the inevitable.

So, are we seeing the conditions that could transition into some form of a "Hot" war? No doubt. The BLM riots came very close and the anti-American poison in these University protests are now permanently in the fabric of our country. If allowed to continue....it doesn't end well.

Half the country doesn't even vote, but you think we are on the edge of a hot civil war. As the kids say, might be time for you to go outside and touch some grass.

[XUBand]

Just because half the country likes to be apathetic and try and live in ignorant bliss doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It's getting closer and closer to it. If you can't see it, you might not have your eyes open.

[XU_Lou]

Most colonialists didn't want to secede from England, but it happened.

[paulxu]

How to hire only the "best people"...twice.

https://wapo.st/3UrZFY1

[XUBand]

How to hire only the "best people"...twice.

https://wapo.st/3UrZFY1

Try reading past your freaking nose, shill.

"The SEC said its review of the firm’s audits found “deliberate and systemic failures” in more than 1,500 filings from January 2021 through June 2023. That period was before Trump Media & Technology Group went public, suggesting that its filings were not among those investigated as part of the review."

[paulxu]

I didn't suggest they were. I just noted both firms hired by Trump Media have been fined by the SEC and are no longer doing business/not with the account.

Only the "best people"...sort of like casinos, or universities, or charities.

[bobbiemcgee]

How to hire only the "best people"...twice.

https://wapo.st/3UrZFY1

Wow. Maybe time to cover my short.

[Xuperman]

Half the country doesn't even vote, but you think we are on the edge of a hot civil war. As the kids say, might be time for you to go outside and touch some grass.

When a black 6'3 260lb SEVENTEEN year old can viciously beat a 60 year old white teacher within inches of her life....with no prosecution? And this is normalized under progressive social Justice reform....we have enormous problems.

BTW, where you been for the last THREE DECADES? Kids don't go outside and have no relationship with grass that is not SMOKEABLE.

[bobbiemcgee]

When a black 6'3 260lb SEVENTEEN year old can viciously beat a 60 year old white teacher within inches of her life....with no prosecution? .

Usual lie from you. The kid pleaded guilty and is being sentenced this month. Hopefully he gets the 30 years.

[Xuperman]

Usual lie from you. The kid pleaded guilty and is being sentenced this month. Hopefully he gets the 30 years.

Usual lie? Usual? From me? What the hell are you talking about?

Obviously he is guilty. Being sentenced? He will be under the soft umbrella of social justice.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/sentencing-continued-for-teen-who-severely-beat-teachers-aide-in-flagler-county/ar-AA1o0gAx?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Correction.....properly prosecuted. If he gets ANY jail time....let alone the 30, I will take one off the "we are fucked" chart.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Try reading past your freaking nose, shill.

"The SEC said its review of the firm’s audits found “deliberate and systemic failures” in more than 1,500 filings from January 2021 through June 2023. That period was before Trump Media & Technology Group went public, suggesting that its filings were not among those investigated as part of the review."

In order to go public, you provide a 2-3 prior years worth of audited financials that adhere to GAAP. 21-23 would definitely fall in that range, and before you slam me for not liking Trump I worked at PwC and have been on 3 public offerings.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Usual lie? Usual? From me? What the hell are you talking about?

Obviously he is guilty. Being sentenced? He will be under the soft umbrella of social justice.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/sentencing-continued-for-teen-who-severely-beat-teachers-aide-in-flagler-county/ar-AA1o0gAx?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Correction.....properly prosecuted. If he gets ANY jail time....let alone the 30, I will take one off the "we are fucked" chart.

Let me fix your post, my narrative was proven false and I hope this gaslighting makes you feel bad.

[xubrew]

The campus protests are ridiculous and I wonder how many of them are even being initiated and driven by actual students. Students are getting caught up in them, but were they really the genesis of them?

If they really wanted to support the Palestinian people, then they should be against Hamas and not Israel. Hamas is not part of the PLO and they’re wreaking havoc on many in Palestine who probably want them gone. Am I wrong?

But, I’m pretty sure it’s not so much about showing support for Palestine. It’s about wannabe warriors looking for a fight because they like being seen and feeling strong.

[XUBand]

In order to go public, you provide a 2-3 prior years worth of audited financials that adhere to GAAP. 21-23 would definitely fall in that range, and before you slam me for not liking Trump I worked at PwC and have been on 3 public offerings.

Well aware of this, thanks. The headline on the article posted is DELIBERATELY misleading. It wants people to scream "OHHOHOH LOOKY HERE ORANGEMANBAD DID SOMETHING BAD" when in reality the records under question are in no way associated with Trump. It's yellow journalism at it's finest. I hope these shills get what is coming to them for the years of this insane bullshit.

[xuwillie]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

[XU_Lou]

The campus protests are ridiculous and I wonder how many of them are even being initiated and driven by actual students. Students are getting caught up in them, but were they really the genesis of them?

If they really wanted to support the Palestinian people, then they should be against Hamas and not Israel. Hamas is not part of the PLO and they’re wreaking havoc on many in Palestine who probably want them gone. Am I wrong?

But, I’m pretty sure it’s not so much about showing support for Palestine. It’s about wannabe warriors looking for a fight because they like being seen and feeling strong.

1) Yes, there's definitely some evidence of outside agitators involved in these college protests. How much??? Hell, there is a report of a UCLA prof forcing his students to attend the protest.


2) According to this poll:

"44% in the West Bank said they supported Hamas, up from just 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up slightly from 38% three months ago."

"57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack"

Though you could make the argument they've been heavily propagandized: "A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514


Perhaps the truth is making its way into the populace. A more recent poll: "Support for Hamas as a political party has fallen to 34% among Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied West Bank, a 12-point drop from December 2023, according to a poll released Wednesday by a leading Palestinian research institute." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gazans-back-two-state-solution-rcna144183

[noteggs]

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/ELN/17-152

Falsifying business records to cover up this activity is the felony charged.

Well seems like that was one of the fourish misdemeanor charges they are considering for the second. Not the actual charge. Almost a month into the trial (and two weeks since you posted this), the defense still doesn’t know what they are defending. Good stuff.

[XU_Lou]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/05/pro-palestinian-protests-columbia-university-funding-donors-00156135

Just in case people are too lazy to click:

"President Joe Biden has been dogged for months by pro-Palestinian protesters calling him “Genocide Joe” — but some of the groups behind the demonstrations receive financial backing from philanthropists pushing hard for his reelection.

The donors include some of the biggest names in Democratic circles: Gates, Soros, Rockefeller and Pritzker, according to a POLITICO analysis."

[paulxu]

How sad. The headline say “Trump Media (the name of the company) Auditor charged by SEC with massive fraud.”
It says nothing about Trump doing anything wrong. It didn’t say the company did anything wrong.
It said the auditing firm did something wrong. Your projection is really weird.

[paulxu]

Well seems like that was one of the fourish misdemeanor charges they are considering for the second. Not the actual charge. Almost a month into the trial (and two weeks since you posted this), the defense still doesn’t know what they are defending. Good stuff.

I'm going to take a wild guess that they are defending their client against the 34 charges noted in the indictment for violation of Penal Law §175.10.

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

If they are not, the defendant might want to consider a new team of attorneys.

[xubrew]

So, hear me out!!!

Joe Biden should announce he's not going to run for president, and someone else runs on the Democratic Ticket instead!!

Just about ANYONE ELSE would win!!!

[bjf123]

So, hear me out!!!

Joe Biden should announce he's not going to run for president, and someone else runs on the Democratic Ticket instead!!

Just about ANYONE ELSE would win!!!

Probably, unless it’s Kamala.


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[STL_XUfan]

So, hear me out!!!

Joe Biden should announce he's not going to run for president, and someone else runs on the Democratic Ticket instead!!

Just about ANYONE ELSE would win!!!

Generic Democrat and Generic Republican are always the front runner. Once there is a name associated with it, the attacks start and they are no longer an generic Democrat/Republican, but Socialist who is going to steal the meat out of your hamburger or an Authoritarian who will gut all social programs to enrich billionaires.

[xubrew]

Generic Democrat and Generic Republican are always the front runner. Once there is a name associated with it, the attacks start and they are no longer an generic Democrat/Republican, but Socialist who is going to steal the meat out of your hamburger or an Authoritarian who will gut all social programs to enrich billionaires.

Maybe to the fringe of The Right and The Left. But I still think most Americans, while they certainly lean one way or the other, are still just normal people who want a leader that isn't actually a wannabe authoritarian with no respect for political norms, nor do they want a leader that is never entirely sure what day it is, or for that matter what year it is.

If the Dems' #1 goal is REALLY to keep Trump from winning the election, then Biden should not be their candidate. That should be obvious. It should be so obvious that it's like saying "If you hate cold and snowy winters, than North Dakota is not where you should be living." Biden should drop out. I mean...he REAAAAAALLLLLY should drop out!!! I distinctly remember him saying at times that he only wanted to be a one-term president. Well, then why the fuck is he running again?? It's not good for him. It's not good for the Democratic Party. It's not good for ANYONE!!! He shouldn't run! Period!

You know who would have a better chance of winning the election against Trump?? LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE!!!!

[noteggs]

I'm going to take a wild guess that they are defending their client against the 34 charges noted in the indictment for violation of Penal Law §175.10.

https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdf

If they are not, the defendant might want to consider a new team of attorneys.

I like you Paul but are trying to be funny or just being obtuse? Hard to tell.

From the indictment you sent which I’m sure many of us have read, states in all 34 counts


with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission
thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise.

I’ve been asking since the trial started what is the other crime? You were quick to tag me when you thought it was section 17-152. Don’t worry because Trump will probably be found guilty because of the word “intent” for the undisclosed crime at this time.

Guess we’ll find out what the second crime is when you hear the jury instructions. Really starting sound like find me the man and I’’ll find you the crime. Hyperbole? Perhaps, but you get the point.

[bobbiemcgee]

I always thought he was the king of the grift. Getting suckers to pay for his legal bills, vodka, bibles, hats, fake schooling, fake charities, etc.

But Stormy has him beat. He didn't have sex with her, yet she got him to cough up $130K for not having sex.
Well done you.

Stormy said he had a small mushroom dick. maybe he can drop his drawers and end the trial

[xubrew]

Stormy said he had a small mushroom dick. maybe he can drop his drawers and end the trial

I have a lot of issues with Trump. What a porn star says about the size of his dick really isn't one of them, though.

[Smails]

I have a lot of issues with Trump. What a porn star says about the size of his dick really isn't one of them, though.

Welcome to the world of the loons... People have lost their collective minds

[bobbiemcgee]

Said in jest, of course

[XU_Lou]

Paul / Bobbie, you listening:


Liberals are three times more biased when evaluating their opponents than conservatives are, according to a new study in the Journal of Social Psychology. This runs totally counter to the widespread belief that conservatives are less open-minded and more prejudiced than liberals:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224545.2024.2316619

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm a common sense independent who still can't believe half the country can't do the math on the last election.

[xubrew]

Paul / Bobbie, you listening:


Liberals are three times more biased when evaluating their opponents than conservatives are, according to a new study in the Journal of Social Psychology. This runs totally counter to the widespread belief that conservatives are less open-minded and more prejudiced than liberals:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224545.2024.2316619

Had you been a part of this study it would have swung the results the other way...

[xuphan]

I'm a common sense independent who still can't believe half the country can't do the math on the last election.

You are an independent? Did I read that right?

[paulxu]

Guess we’ll find out what the second crime is when you hear the jury instructions. Really starting sound like find me the man and I’’ll find you the crime. Hyperbole? Perhaps, but you get the point.

I'm really confused now about your questions.
You originally asked what was the underlying crime.

It was § 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election. It's a misdemeanor.

He was indicted for violation of Penal Law §175.10.
Under that law it is a felony to falsify business records to cover up another crime...i.e. the first one noted.

Why is that so confusing?

[bjf123]

It was § 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election. It's a misdemeanor.


Need some clarification here. Doesn’t every political party and candidate conspire to promote their election and prevent their opponent’s election?


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[XU_Lou]

I'm really confused now about your questions.
You originally asked what was the underlying crime.

It was § 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election. It's a misdemeanor.

He was indicted for violation of Penal Law §175.10.
Under that law it is a felony to falsify business records to cover up another crime...i.e. the first one noted.

Why is that so confusing?

Paul pretends to be a NY law expert now.

Lets see if Paul can answer this: when do the statute of limitations run out on that law?

[paulxu]

Need some clarification here. Doesn’t every political party and candidate conspire to promote their election and prevent their opponent’s election?


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Conspiracy is when people agree to violate the law. Not sure everyone does that.
They may have a good chance for acquittal as the charge seems to relate to paying hush money to squash negative stories.
Maybe the jury will decide that's OK.
The falsifying business records seems straightforward.

Tell Lou that statutes can be tolled.

[bjf123]

Conspiracy is when people agree to violate the law. Not sure everyone does that.
They may have a good chance for acquittal as the charge seems to relate to paying hush money to squash negative stories.
Maybe the jury will decide that's OK.
The falsifying business records seems straightforward.

Tell Lou that statutes can be tolled.

I’ll be shocked if the jury finds him not guilty. This will be another case of jury nullification. Will they want to be known as the people in NYC who didn’t convict Trump? They won’t follow the law. This case should have never been brought, just like the civil trial about real estate values.


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[XU_Lou]

Tell Lou that statutes can be tolled.

More stretching of the law.

And you're worried about an authoritarian taking over?

[xubrew]

Our government kinda sucks.

And, I think I know why! It's because WE kinda suck!

[XU_Lou]

Our government kinda sucks.

And, I think I know why! It's because WE kinda suck!

A bit melodramatic?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Anyone following the p star's testimony? She went on the stand and said the deed was done despite Trump saying otherwise (not under oath though).

I am a big proponent of getting your day in court. I would love to see Trump take the stand and answer whether it happened or not. It won't happen, but still I would love to see that. I know there are instances where the court/juries just gets it wrong, but for the most part they get it right.

[noteggs]

I'm really confused now about your questions.
You originally asked what was the underlying crime.

It was § 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election. It's a misdemeanor.

He was indicted for violation of Penal Law §175.10.
Under that law it is a felony to falsify business records to cover up another crime...i.e. the first one noted.

Why is that so confusing?

Maybe the reason it’s confusing is because you’re stating “as fact” the other crime is 17-152? That is not the case for now. Again, we won’t probably know the other crime until the jury instructions. This is why the defense has their hands cuffed until then.

[paulxu]

Maybe the reason it’s confusing is because you’re stating “as fact” the other crime is 17-152? That is not the case for now. Again, we won’t probably know the other crime until the jury instructions. This is why the defense has their hands cuffed until then.


“The primary crime that we have alleged is New York state election law section 17-152,” Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Joshua Steinglass told New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan during Trump’s trial on April 23
It's convoluted though, I'll grant, as this article tries to explain.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/charting-the-legal-theory-behind-people-v.-trump

[Strange Brew]

It's convoluted though, I'll grant, as this article tries to explain.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/charting-the-legal-theory-behind-people-v.-trump

You are referencing a site called Lawfaremedia to explain how this isn’t Lawfare? A site which works with the Brookings Institute. Ok. :)

[bjf123]

Sounds like the porn star’s testimony and the judge’s allowing it gave Trump’s team a great basis for appeal. Testimony about the alleged affair is certainly reasonable. It seems the prosecution took it even further, allowing her to get into graphic details of the alleged encounter.

I think the only reason for that testimony was to embarrass Trump and prejudice the jury even more towards him. Then again, the prosecution couldn’t care less about losing anything on appeal. By then, the election will be over.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

Sounds like the porn star’s testimony and the judge’s allowing it gave Trump’s team a great basis for appeal. Testimony about the alleged affair is certainly reasonable. It seems the prosecution took it even further, allowing her to get into graphic details of the alleged encounter.

I think the only reason for that testimony was to embarrass Trump and prejudice the jury even more towards him. Then again, the prosecution couldn’t care less about losing anything on appeal. By then, the election will be over.


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I am not a lawyer, but I believe that the intercourse between Daniels and Trump would have had to have occurred in order for the payment to have become a necessity. I know a few defense attorneys who routinely work on capital cases and they all say the same thing, "trials are stories". I believe to tell that story, you would need to begin with the event that triggered the payment in the first place.

[noteggs]

It's convoluted though, I'll grant, as this article tries to explain.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/charting-the-legal-theory-behind-people-v.-trump

Convoluted for sure. However, Bragg has still not defined the second crime. This was a theory (from your post) the prosecutors threw out on April 23 (two weeks ago). From the same publication you provided.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-must-prosecutors-prove-in-trump-s-ny-trial


Merchan has permitted the prosecution to pursue three theories related to that underlying crime, known as the object offense,

Again and again, we will find out the other crime on the jury instructions. Great way to try a case!

[bjf123]

I am not a lawyer, but I believe that the intercourse between Daniels and Trump would have had to have occurred in order for the payment to have become a necessity. I know a few defense attorneys who routinely work on capital cases and they all say the same thing, "trials are stories". I believe to tell that story, you would need to begin with the event that triggered the payment in the first place.

I’m not saying she couldn’t testify as to the sexual encounter happening. Was it necessary to get into the lurid details? I contend it was not.


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[Strange Brew]

Sounds like the porn star’s testimony and the judge’s allowing it gave Trump’s team a great basis for appeal. Testimony about the alleged affair is certainly reasonable. It seems the prosecution took it even further, allowing her to get into graphic details of the alleged encounter.

I think the only reason for that testimony was to embarrass Trump and prejudice the jury even more towards him. Then again, the prosecution couldn’t care less about losing anything on appeal. By then, the election will be over.


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She still owes Trump a couple hundred Gs, correct?

http://https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-must-pay-300k-donald-trump-losing-defamation-case-appea-rcna21002

[Strange Brew]

I’m not saying she couldn’t testify as to the sexual encounter happening. Was it necessary to get into the lurid details? I contend it was not.


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It didn’t happen. As she has stated in writing.

Hope you boys are enjoying the Soap Opera.

[paulxu]

Convoluted for sure. However, Bragg has still not defined the second crime. This was a theory (from your post) the prosecutors threw out on April 23 (two weeks ago). From the same publication you provided.


This seems to be rather straightforward. The prosecution isn't offering a theory, they actually said this is the underlying crime.
They told that to the judge, in court.



“The primary crime that we have alleged is New York state election law section 17-152,” Manhattan Assistant District Attorney Joshua Steinglass told New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan during Trump’s trial on April 23

[bjf123]

It didn’t happen. As she has stated in writing.

Hope you boys are enjoying the Soap Opera.

I would certainly hope that Trump’s attorneys ask that during cross examination. It certainly casts doubt as to her veracity.


She still owes Trump a couple hundred Gs, correct?

http://https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/stormy-daniels-must-pay-300k-donald-trump-losing-defamation-case-appea-rcna21002

I heard it reported today that she is now saying she has no intention of paying that.


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[Strange Brew]

I would certainly hope that Trump’s attorneys ask that during cross examination. It certainly casts doubt as to her veracity.



I heard it reported today that she is now saying she has no intention of paying that.


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It’s a distraction as the case is flawed. However, I could be wrong but it seems the plan is backfiring horribly.

Jack is having a really bad week in FL as well.

[Strange Brew]

I would certainly hope that Trump’s attorneys ask that during cross examination. It certainly casts doubt as to her veracity.



I heard it reported today that she is now saying she has no intention of paying that.


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I’m shocked she was allowed to testify considering the judgement against her. Oh well, not a lawyer.

[noteggs]

This seems to be rather straightforward. The prosecution isn't offering a theory, they actually said this is the underlying crime.
They told that to the judge, in court.

Sources I’ve seen this incorrect including the source we both cited. Not straight forward at all. Where are you getting these sources?

Edit: looked up, your theory still talks about April 23. Again this was from the prosecutor in trial as one they may consider. Still nothing from Bragg. To my other point, you are being rather obtuse.

Again from your original source two weeks later on the charges.


Merchan has permitted the prosecution to pursue three theories related to that underlying crime, known as the object offense,

[Strange Brew]

I would certainly hope that Trump’s attorneys ask that during cross examination. It certainly casts doubt as to her veracity.



I heard it reported today that she is now saying she has no intention of paying that.


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What else did she happen to say under cross?

[paulxu]

Sources I’ve seen this incorrect including the source we both cited. Not straight forward at all. Where are you getting these sources?

Edit: looked up, your theory still talks about April 23. Again this was from the prosecutor in trial as one they may consider. Still nothing from Bragg. To my other point, you are being rather obtuse.

Again from your original source two weeks later on the charges.

I just don't get your point. The Lawfare article showed how the various statutes were related.
Bragg has other prosecutors on his staff handling the case. Here is a link to the transcript from the New York courts where Lawfare got the quote from the prosecutor. He said the primary crime they were alleging was 17-152 (bottom of the page).
Do you think Bragg will come along later and change that?

https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/4-23-2024/00102.html

[xubrew]

A bit melodramatic?

Have you seen who the two presidential candidates are? Have you seen who the current president is? Have you seen who the president prior to this president was?

[XU_Lou]

Have you seen who the two presidential candidates are? Have you seen who the current president is? Have you seen who the president prior to this president was?

How much of your opinion of Trump has been shaped by propaganda, infiltrators who attempted to undermine his admin, and out and out lies? Did Russiagate open your eyes at all?

[Xville]

Have you seen who the two presidential candidates are? Have you seen who the current president is? Have you seen who the president prior to this president was?

You have forgotten that he loves trump. What's not to love about a pathological lying, misogynist, racist, narcissist?

[xubrew]

You have forgotten that he loves trump. What's not to love about a pathological lying, misogynist, racist, narcissist?

Trump is, without question, a pathological lying, misogynist, narcissist. We have also elected him. And we will almost assuredly elect him again. If Joe Biden ends up running against him, which it looks as though he has every intention of doing, Trump will win. Again.

THAT SHOULD BOTHER EVERYONE!!!

[Smails]

Trump is, without question, a pathological lying, misogynist, narcissist. We have also elected him. And we will almost assuredly elect him again. If Joe Biden ends up running against him, which it looks as though he has every intention of doing, Trump will win. Again.

THAT SHOULD BOTHER EVERYONE!!!


It's all about the lesser of the shitty candidates at this point. Trump is everything you described and more.... Biden, along with also being a pathological liar is unfit to run a Car Wash let alone a country. We live in incredible times.

[bobbiemcgee]

What about a protest vote for Cricket?

[Xville]

It's all about the lesser of the shitty candidates at this point. Trump is everything you described and more.... Biden, along with also being a pathological liar is unfit to run a Car Wash let alone a country. We live in incredible times.

At this point, I may vote for RFK. I think he's batshit on a lot of different things, but he's better than the other two. He's got zero chance of winning, but when he looks better than the other two, that shows the dire straits this country is in.

We need a political enema in the worst way...the two party system and all its money/influence needs to be blown up.

[GoMuskies]

I won't vote for Trump or Biden. I feel like I have the luxury of living in a state where my vote doesn't matter, so I can basically protest vote. If I lived in a swing state, I'd be a bit more nervous about how I used my vote. I'd probably consider voting for Trump.

[STL_XUfan]

At this point, I may vote for RFK. I think he's batshit on a lot of different things, but he's better than the other two. He's got zero chance of winning, but when he looks better than the other two, that shows the dire straits this country is in.

We need a political enema in the worst way...the two party system and all its money/influence needs to be blown up.

Now that I know he has literal worms in his brain, the craziness of his statements are starting to make more sense.

[XU_Lou]

You have forgotten that he loves trump. What's not to love about a pathological lying, misogynist, racist, narcissist?


Trump is, without question, a pathological lying, misogynist, narcissist. We have also elected him. And we will almost assuredly elect him again. If Joe Biden ends up running against him, which it looks as though he has every intention of doing, Trump will win. Again.

THAT SHOULD BOTHER EVERYONE!!!

Clearly biased...

This is pure regurgitation of the MSNBC crap you hear 24/7.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It didn’t happen. As she has stated in writing.

Hope you boys are enjoying the Soap Opera.

I get it that you are on the older side, but there is a distinction between sexual intercourse and a relationship in this day and age.

[noteggs]

I just don't get your point. The Lawfare article showed how the various statutes were related.
Bragg has other prosecutors on his staff handling the case. Here is a link to the transcript from the New York courts where Lawfare got the quote from the prosecutor. He said the primary crime they were alleging was 17-152 (bottom of the page).
Do you think Bragg will come along later and change that?

https://pdfs.nycourts.gov/PeopleVs.DTrump-71543/transcripts/4-23-2024/00102.html

Probably not on 17-152 theory. But the point I’m trying to make


Bragg still hasn’t revealed what that other crime is. It’s really the key to the whole case. Without the other crime, there would be no charges against Trump in this matter. The fact that we — and that includes the defendant — still don’t know what the other crime is is one of the great injustices of a felony prosecution that never should have happened.

This was from two days ago.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2993414/when-the-judge-gags-a-key-witness-for-trumps-defense/

Edit: Another reason why I thought it was the prosecution’s theory

https://x.com/jonathanturley/status/1783104576612176194?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[Xville]

Clearly biased...

This is pure regurgitation of the MSNBC crap you hear 24/7.

His followers similarly have narcissistic personality disorder on his behalf.

[xubrew]

Clearly biased...

This is pure regurgitation of the MSNBC crap you hear 24/7.

The amount of MSNBC crap that I hear is 0/0. I don't even recall the last time I watched it when they weren't showing an EPL game.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Clearly biased...

This is pure regurgitation of the MSNBC crap you hear 24/7.

I do unfortunately live in a swing state and must choose. I did vote for Biden last time, but it is clear he is far from capable of running the country. I believe if he wins he dies of old age in office. That makes his running mate key and now is Harris who is a nightmare.

The other side is a man who founded/ran a fraudulent university, looted his charity, and spent months trying to stop the peaceful transition of power.

The third choice still believes in that fool Wakefield, whose study was wrought with bias and errors. I like what RFK says about diet/exercise, but this anti-vaccine rhetoric is extremely dangerous.

[bjf123]

This was from two days ago.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2993414/when-the-judge-gags-a-key-witness-for-trumps-defense/

I’m sorry, but that ruling by the judge is absolute bullshit. Another basis for appeal should Trump get convicted. Not that the judge or prosecutors care about losing on appeal. Their sole function here is to keep Trump from getting re-elected by any means.


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[xubrew]

I’m sorry, but that ruling by the judge is absolute bullshit. Another basis for appeal should Trump get convicted. Not that the judge or prosecutors care about losing on appeal. Their sole function here is to keep Trump from getting re-elected by any means.


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Well then they're going about it all wrong! The best way to keep Trump from getting re-elected is to charge Biden with something, have him arrested, and then force the Democrats to nominate someone else.

[noteggs]

I do unfortunately live in a swing state and must choose. I did vote for Biden last time, but it is clear he is far from capable of running the country. I believe if he wins he dies of old age in office. That makes his running mate key and now is Harris who is a nightmare.

The other side is a man who founded/ran a fraudulent university, looted his charity, and spent months trying to stop the peaceful transition of power.

The third choice still believes in that fool Wakefield, whose study was wrought with bias and errors. I like what RFK says about diet/exercise, but this anti-vaccine rhetoric is extremely dangerous.

Well said

Yea happenings around J6 made me lose whatever respect I had left for Trump. Unfortunately the current and last NY sham trials are giving me pause to my last thought. Still none of the above is preferable.

[paulxu]

Probably not on 17-152 theory. But the point I’m trying to make



This was from two days ago.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/2993414/when-the-judge-gags-a-key-witness-for-trumps-defense/

Edit: Another reason why I thought it was the prosecution’s theory

https://x.com/jonathanturley/status/1783104576612176194?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg
You can discuss all these "t"heories", but I'll go with the prosecutor's own words as detailed in the court transcript:

"The primary crime we have alleged is New York State Elections Law Section 17-152."

That's the prosecutor's words, said to the court, recorded in the official transcript. Until the prosecution gets into other areas, it would seem that would be the underlying crime to raise the indictment crimes to felonies.
May be found not guilty, or of lesser degree, but that seems to be straightforward for now.
Turley's article from April 24th indicates he must not have had the transcript from the 23rd.
York's article similarly ignores the prosecutor's statement from the transcript.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well said

Yea happenings around J6 made me lose whatever respect I had left for Trump. Unfortunately the current and last NY sham trials are giving me pause to my last thought. Still none of the above is preferable.

Help me out, but I believe part of the property tax fraud trail was that he grossly underreported building earnings to garner lower property tax values. I believe he also grossly increased square footage for loan valuations while reversing that for property tax valuations. I get these might seem small, but if I did this I would be put in jail.'

The 130k to Daniels is on the fringe in my opinion. We have elected presidents in the past that have had extramarital affairs. Trump claims to be a billionaire, he pays her from his own cash and this isn't even an issue for a court to decide. The fact that he is cheaper than I am and paid it from campaign coffers made this what it is.

Georgia will be tough to prove. He did flat out state "find me votes". Whether this was intended for them to actually manufacture votes is up for a jury to decide. He clearly peddled insane election rhetoric that had zero basis in reality, but you have make a small jump from that to asking Georgia to "find" him votes.

[noteggs]

You can discuss all these "t"heories", but I'll go with the prosecutor's own words as detailed in the court transcript:

"The primary crime we have alleged is New York State Elections Law Section 17-152."

That's the prosecutor's words, said to the court, recorded in the official transcript. Until the prosecution gets into other areas, it would seem that would be the underlying crime to raise the indictment crimes to felonies.
May be found not guilty, or of lesser degree, but that seems to be straightforward for now.
Turley's article from April 24th indicates he must not have had the transcript from the 23rd.
York's article similarly ignores the prosecutor's statement from the transcript.

Yes Turley leans right on most issues. I think I’ll take his legal expertise over yours. 4 days after 17-152 was introduced in court.


It was not until the second week of proceedings that Bragg even revealed part of his theory of criminality.

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4625253-on-alvin-bragg-and-the-art-of-not-taking-the-law-too-seriously/

[noteggs]

Help me out, but I believe part of the property tax fraud trail was that he grossly underreported building earnings to garner lower property tax values. I believe he also grossly increased square footage for loan valuations while reversing that for property tax valuations. I get these might seem small, but if I did this I would be put in jail.'

The 130k to Daniels is on the fringe in my opinion. We have elected presidents in the past that have had extramarital affairs. Trump claims to be a billionaire, he pays her from his own cash and this isn't even an issue for a court to decide. The fact that he is cheaper than I am and paid it from campaign coffers made this what it is.

Georgia will be tough to prove. He did flat out state "find me votes". Whether this was intended for them to actually manufacture votes is up for a jury to decide. He clearly peddled insane election rhetoric that had zero basis in reality, but you have make a small jump from that to asking Georgia to "find" him votes.

All good questions. Give me some time answer

Easy on last paragraph. The Georgia and J6 cases have much more merit to them IMHO. So no disagreement there.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

All good questions. Give me some time answer

Easy on last paragraph. The Georgia and J6 cases have much more merit to them IMHO. So no disagreement there.

What is Trump's other J6 case? My non-legal opinion, but none of the cases I listed above should fall under his immunity request. None of these cases fell in the normal course of the business of being President.

[noteggs]

What is Trump's other J6 case? My non-legal opinion, but none of the cases I listed above should fall under his immunity request. None of these cases fell in the normal course of the business of being President.

Not sure what you’re asking? Other J6? Maybe I should have said Jack Smith election interference case? My statement was Georgia and J6 cases, guess I should have used case’s? Possessive vs plural.

I’m just glad SC took the case so we have more clarity what is and isn’t. Nice precedent to have.

[bobbiemcgee]

fani fucked up. Case going to GA court of appeals for 6 months

[X-band '01]

Swing and a big miss by Large Marge.

[bjf123]

Tulsi Gabbard as Trump’s VP? She says she’d accept, if asked.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tulsi-gabbard-ready-to-serve-my-country-as-trump-s-vice-president-if-asked/ar-AA1nWu74


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[bobbiemcgee]

See we can work together. MTG embarrassed.

[bobbiemcgee]

Rfk says a worm ate his brain.

[GoMuskies]

Rfk says a worm ate his brain.

He's just trying to fit in with Trump and Biden.

[STL_XUfan]

He's just trying to fit in with Trump and Biden.
Best joke I have seen: Brain eating worm died of starvation.

[Xuperman]

Well then they're going about it all wrong! The best way to keep Trump from getting re-elected is to charge Biden with something, have him arrested, and then force the Democrats to nominate someone else.

They are going to nominate someone else for sure. Here is how it will go down.

Sometime in July, all the Democrat allies in the MSM will be given the green light to slowly push a well coordinated narrative. They will report on rumors from Biden's inner circle that Joe is "considering" stepping aside for "health" reasons, due to family concerns. Of course Grandpa Joe will be portrayed as a patriotic bulldog wanting to finish the job. Then party officials and Dem operatives begin to go public, urging the courageous Joe to do right by his family. The media will fashion a glorious exit image....an American hero and living legend gave it all he had.

The decision is made. Joe makes it official at the convention on day one to thunderous applause of adoration. The convention is brokered, and a hand picked Obama candidate is nominated as the crowd shakes the rafters with chants of "USA USA USA". The nominee gives one of the greatest acceptance speeches of all time and then reveals the entire campaign strategy going forward.......Orangeman Bad.

[paulxu]

Yes Turley leans right on most issues. I think I’ll take his legal expertise over yours. 4 days after 17-152 was introduced in court.
https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/4625253-on-alvin-bragg-and-the-art-of-not-taking-the-law-too-seriously/

You've got these "opinions" on what the prosecutor might allege as the underlying crime, let's assume all with great legal expertise.

Then you've got the actual prosecutor, in the actual court proceeding, in the actual case, saying for the actual record, we are alleging 17-152.

I'll go with the latter until I read more transcripts where he changes his mind. (Note: I'm not offering any legal expertise.)

[GoMuskies]

Best joke I have seen: Brain eating worm died of starvation.

I'll allow it (publicly, because I apparently need to spread it around privately).

[Xville]

They are going to nominate someone else for sure. Here is how it will go down.

Sometime in July, all the Democrat allies in the MSM will be given the green light to slowly push a well coordinated narrative. They will report on rumors from Biden's inner circle that Joe is "considering" stepping aside for "health" reasons, due to family concerns. Of course Grandpa Joe will be portrayed as a patriotic bulldog wanting to finish the job. Then party officials and Dem operatives begin to go public, urging the courageous Joe to do right by his family. The media will fashion a glorious exit image....an American hero and living legend gave it all he had.

The decision is made. Joe makes it official at the convention on day one to thunderous applause of adoration. The convention is brokered, and a hand picked Obama candidate is nominated as the crowd shakes the rafters with chants of "USA USA USA". The nominee gives one of the greatest acceptance speeches of all time and then reveals the entire campaign strategy going forward.......Orangeman Bad.

Who's your supplier? I want some.

Sadly, I'd love for this to happen...if it means no Biden or Trump in the White House, and it's not Kamala, I'll take it every day and twice on Sunday.

[xubrew]

They are going to nominate someone else for sure. Here is how it will go down.

Sometime in July, all the Democrat allies in the MSM will be given the green light to slowly push a well coordinated narrative. They will report on rumors from Biden's inner circle that Joe is "considering" stepping aside for "health" reasons, due to family concerns. Of course Grandpa Joe will be portrayed as a patriotic bulldog wanting to finish the job. Then party officials and Dem operatives begin to go public, urging the courageous Joe to do right by his family. The media will fashion a glorious exit image....an American hero and living legend gave it all he had.

The decision is made. Joe makes it official at the convention on day one to thunderous applause of adoration. The convention is brokered, and a hand picked Obama candidate is nominated as the crowd shakes the rafters with chants of "USA USA USA". The nominee gives one of the greatest acceptance speeches of all time and then reveals the entire campaign strategy going forward.......Orangeman Bad.

So the Manchurian Candidate without the assassination. Got it.

[xubrew]

Who's your supplier? I want some.

Sadly, I'd love for this to happen...if it means no Biden or Trump in the White House, and it's not Kamala, I'll take it every day and twice on Sunday.

The Dems should nominate a sane Republican. They'd win in a landslide.

[GoMuskies]

The Dems should nominate a sane Republican. They'd win in a landslide.

Sure, but where will they find one?

[Smails]

Any of our resident Biden honks care to comment on the CNN interview where POTUS claimed he inherited 9% inflation? Those pesky little facts actually say it was around 1.6% in 2021 and rose to 9% 17 months after he was in office. He's now just making stuff up, but at least he's saying it with whispered conviction!

[Xville]

The Dems should nominate a sane Republican. They'd win in a landslide.

Interesting theory...the Republicans could have done the same.

[xubrew]

Interesting theory...the Republicans could have done the same.

Not anymore. Trump is the GOP nominee. They can't replace him as the candidate.

[paulxu]

Not anymore. Trump is the GOP nominee. They can't replace him as the candidate.

Did I miss their convention?

[xuphan]

Any of our resident Biden honks care to comment on the CNN interview where POTUS claimed he inherited 9% inflation? Those pesky little facts actually say it was around 1.6% in 2021 and rose to 9% 17 months after he was in office. He's now just making stuff up, but at least he's saying it with whispered conviction!

He’s just now making stuff up? He didn’t make stuff up in the past?

[noteggs]

Help me out, but I believe part of the property tax fraud trail was that he grossly underreported building earnings to garner lower property tax values. I believe he also grossly increased square footage for loan valuations while reversing that for property tax valuations. I get these might seem small, but if I did this I would be put in jail.'

The 130k to Daniels is on the fringe in my opinion. We have elected presidents in the past that have had extramarital affairs. Trump claims to be a billionaire, he pays her from his own cash and this isn't even an issue for a court to decide. The fact that he is cheaper than I am and paid it from campaign coffers made this what it is.

Georgia will be tough to prove. He did flat out state "find me votes". Whether this was intended for them to actually manufacture votes is up for a jury to decide. He clearly peddled insane election rhetoric that had zero basis in reality, but you have make a small jump from that to asking Georgia to "find" him votes.

As I told Paul, I really hate to defend anything Trump these days. But sometimes you have to call out what seems to be politically motivated. First and foremost both ran on getting Donald Trump. If Trump just walked away after he lost the 2020 election, do you think these cases would be tried? James’ small chance and highly unlikely on Bragg’s.

Now to your questions/comments. Former Trump employee and prosecution witness testified 3-4 days ago Trump used his own money vs campaign funds. Agree, paying hush money to porn star is about as low as it gets, still not illegal.

Not that you asked, but here are some problems I have with Bragg’s case. Bragg’s predecessor did not want to bring charges nor did the FEC. Actually Bragg didn’t either but bowed to political pressure.

Since statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges, they came up with two ambiguous ones to make it a felony charge. Somehow they came up 34 felonies. Why? So they can say Trump was convicted of 34 felonies before the election. Most talking heads on both sides believe felony convictions have no chance in appeals. But too late and mission accomplished.

Sure Trump may have done some bad things in the AG case. But almost 500 million worth? I assume appeals will bring this price tag way down.

James used an obscure and over broad law that has been used only 12 times in 70 years. Of the previous 11, Trump is the only big business that was threatened with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims and major losses. Not sure if the tax stuff was in judges ruling. I could be wrong though. Didn’t hear it come in James’ presser after the decision.

Thought the county decides property tax assessments on lots of variables and price doesn’t really matter as much. For example, we bought our house from an estate sale at a big discounted price. However, our property taxes were based off the market and not what we paid.

As for your others points, doesn't the insurance companies and banks have a fiduciary responsibility to do their own homework? Mortgage appraisals comes mind. Finally, he hasn’t defaulted on the loans and same banks saying they would loan him money tomorrow. Judge took this into consideration, but stated Trump may not in future. Your knowledge is probably better than mine since you work/ed at PwC but just my thoughts.

[Masterofreality]

Did I miss their convention?

Since the Democrats were too stupid to have their convention after the official candidate filing deadline in Ohio, and Biden is currently ineligible to appear on the ballot, maybe the Dumbocrats should replace their Delusional, Dementia ridden candidate who can barely walk across the White House Lawn and won’t hold Press Conferences?

[paulxu]

The issue has come up in previous elections in Ohio and other states, but until now it had typically been resolved without acrimony or fanfare. Democrats and Republicans both had late August conventions in 2012 and 2020.


“The fact that we’re even here at this point, it’s a little bit like a toddler holding its breath,” Levitt added. “The outcome is inevitable. It’s only a question of how embarrassing it is for the toddler in the meantime.”

How childish.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ohio-lawmakers-are-odds-effort-ensure-biden-appears-november-ballot-rcna151369

[GoMuskies]

Wait, NOW worrying about technicalities is childish? But when it comes to New York show trials, they're super important?

[xubrew]

Did I miss their convention?

I believe the all RNC changed the rules and basically require delegates to vote a certain way depending on how the primaries came out. So...

[Xville]

I believe the all RNC changed the rules and basically require delegates to vote a certain way depending on how the primaries came out. So...

The fact remains that the dems and the pubs could have both fixed the situation we are currently in but in both cases, they chose not to.

Dem and Republican leadership a year or so ago could have pushed aside both Biden and trump. The pubs could have ended trump for good after the “red wave” became a trickle in ‘22 mainly due to his candidates losing almost every race. The dems could have just privately told Biden look dude thank you, but you’re done.

[GoMuskies]

Which Republicans could have pushed aside Trump? The Republican establishment did everything in their power to brush Trump aside in 2016, and he absolutely embarrassed them. There's nothing the Republican party can do to free themselves of Trump short of getting new party members, because a solid majority of its current party members love him.

[paulxu]

Wait, NOW worrying about technicalities is childish? But when it comes to New York show trials, they're super important?

Well, not everyone can make $130K for not having sex. That's pretty special.

[GoMuskies]

Seems pretty pedestrian in the age of OnlyFans.

[Xville]

Which Republicans could have pushed aside Trump? The Republican establishment did everything in their power to brush Trump aside in 2016, and he absolutely embarrassed them. There's nothing the Republican party can do to free themselves of Trump short of getting new party members, because a solid majority of its current party members love him.

After '22, they could have done it. I seriously doubt that a solid majority of Republicans love him. I think they tolerate him, because at this point in time, its political suicide not to, but a year and a half ago it could have been done. Why they didn't do it, I have no idea...they had an excuse built in after the midterms, his candidates performed horribly. Maybe they thought the american people weren't this dumb to nominate him again and so they figured it would just naturally work itself out (like office space).

[GoMuskies]

How could they have gotten rid of him a year and a half ago? I mean, the campaign for the nomination started a year ago, and Trump immediately crushed DeSantis, who is basically the #2 Republican cult hero nationally. He thought he might be #1 but was immediately put in his place.

[xubrew]

Did I miss their convention?


After '22, they could have done it. I seriously doubt that a solid majority of Republicans love him. I think they tolerate him, because at this point in time, its political suicide not to, but a year and a half ago it could have been done. Why they didn't do it, I have no idea...they had an excuse built in after the midterms, his candidates performed horribly. Maybe they thought the american people weren't this dumb to nominate him again and so they figured it would just naturally work itself out (like office space).

I agree with most of this, but the answer to the question is no one wanted to risk the political backlash within their own party that would have undoubtedly come with ousting him. They would have been labeled RENOs.

I hate to keep pointing to the other side of the isle, but the Dems could have gotten rid of Joe Biden. In fact I thought that was the entire plan. He'd be a one-term president after they decided (for whatever reason) he had the best chance of beating Trump in 2020. Yet, he's running again. Why? He is literally the only person serving in any sort of public office anywhere in the country that Trump would have any chance of beating. Yet, he's the one that's running. I'm not quite sure if Dog-Catchers are elected, but if they are, then any Democratic dog-catcher would have been a better choice.

It blows my mind how stupid the Democrats are.

[Xville]

How could they have gotten rid of him a year and a half ago? I mean, the campaign for the nomination started a year ago, and Trump immediately crushed DeSantis, who is basically the #2 Republican cult hero nationally. He thought he might be #1 but was immediately put in his place.

It easily could have happened, if the republicans had come up with a solid plan. However, just like in '16, they had no plan, and had something like 15 candidates fighting each other, with no one going directly at Trump from the onset. No one attacked him, and it was there to do so. Lost in' 20, Lost the house, lost the Senate, lost midterms.

Should have put all fundraising to one or at most two candidates, immediately, and that candidate should have gone after Trump, immediately. It could have been done, but as we have seen the republicans are very lost on how to do much of anything of anything at this point except infight.

I do blame Biden for this as well of course. If he had not been such a horrible President, Trump wouldn't have gotten even a sniff.

[GoMuskies]

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you there. If Trump was able to absolutely pulverize DeSantis of all people IN FLORIDA of all places, there was no path to dislodging Trump. The membership demanded it (for whatever misguided reason).

[paulxu]

Our problem is we have two candidates who are past their prime, and both parties failed to support good successors.

But, every incumbent since Nixon has run for a second term. Hard to overcome that built in advantage to the current office holder.
And I guess hard to persuade them to step aside for someone else.

[Xville]

I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you there. If Trump was able to absolutely pulverize DeSantis of all people IN FLORIDA of all places, there was no path to dislodging Trump. The membership demanded it (for whatever misguided reason).

I hear what you are saying, but that was a couple of months ago. The plan should have started immediately after the midterms.

[xubrew]

Our problem is we have two candidates who are past their prime, and both parties failed to support good successors.

But, every incumbent since Nixon has run for a second term. Hard to overcome that built in advantage to the current office holder.
And I guess hard to persuade them to step aside for someone else.

Given how the last four years have gone, being the current office holder in this particular situation probably puts Biden at a big DIS-advantage.

And Biden initially said he wouldn't run again. So...hold him to it! Hell, TURN ON HIM!!! Nominate someone else!! ANYONE else!!! Literally anyone else!

[Xville]

Given how the last four years have gone, being the current office holder in this particular situation probably puts Biden at a big DIS-advantage.

And Biden initially said he wouldn't run again. So...hold him to it! Hell, TURN ON HIM!!! Nominate someone else!! ANYONE else!!! Literally anyone else!

Except Kamala

[Masterofreality]

Well, not everyone can make $130K for not having sex. That's pretty special.

Whatever you are talking about, it is not illegal as far as “hush money” payments are concerned. It’s been testified that whatever money was paid was not from a Campaign fund. If paying personal hush money is illegal , 3/4 of Washington should be on trial. Remember Democrat John Edwards? He paid “hush money”. In a campaign. He was exonerated. Just one public example of many.
By the way. Was the Colorado Supreme Court trying to bar a presidential candidate from a ballot on a fake charge “Childish”?
Thank Goodness there is a sensible Supreme Court!
Ohio laws are very clear and just because a consensus was reached before, doesn’t mean the law is invalid.
The Democrats seem to want to use “The Law” an awful lot to nail one certain guy- even when that “law” is not even applicable. Here we have a case where there is absolutely a valid, in place, unchanged statute that has been there for years and now the Dems want to disregard “The Law”?
The height of hypocrisy, but that’s what those of your ilk live by.
Maybe it was a bad idea to try go destroy a sitting President on bullshit. Don’t be surprised when it comes back to bite your ass when a valid law is used against your stupidity and hubris.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sensible scotus? That's a joke. Clearly in Trump's pocket. And cannon should be impeached.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haley gets nice vote in Indiana. Should have run as independent.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

As I told Paul, I really hate to defend anything Trump these days. But sometimes you have to call out what seems to be politically motivated. First and foremost both ran on getting Donald Trump. If Trump just walked away after he lost the 2020 election, do you think these cases would be tried? James’ small chance and highly unlikely on Bragg’s.

Now to your questions/comments. Former Trump employee and prosecution witness testified 3-4 days ago Trump used his own money vs campaign funds. Agree, paying hush money to porn star is about as low as it gets, still not illegal.

Not that you asked, but here are some problems I have with Bragg’s case. Bragg’s predecessor did not want to bring charges nor did the FEC. Actually Bragg didn’t either but bowed to political pressure.

Since statute of limitations expired on misdemeanor charges, they came up with two ambiguous ones to make it a felony charge. Somehow they came up 34 felonies. Why? So they can say Trump was convicted of 34 felonies before the election. Most talking heads on both sides believe felony convictions have no chance in appeals. But too late and mission accomplished.

Sure Trump may have done some bad things in the AG case. But almost 500 million worth? I assume appeals will bring this price tag way down.

James used an obscure and over broad law that has been used only 12 times in 70 years. Of the previous 11, Trump is the only big business that was threatened with a shutdown without a showing of obvious victims and major losses. Not sure if the tax stuff was in judges ruling. I could be wrong though. Didn’t hear it come in James’ presser after the decision.

Thought the county decides property tax assessments on lots of variables and price doesn’t really matter as much. For example, we bought our house from an estate sale at a big discounted price. However, our property taxes were based off the market and not what we paid.

As for your others points, doesn't the insurance companies and banks have a fiduciary responsibility to do their own homework? Mortgage appraisals comes mind. Finally, he hasn’t defaulted on the loans and same banks saying they would loan him money tomorrow. Judge took this into consideration, but stated Trump may not in future. Your knowledge is probably better than mine since you work/ed at PwC but just my thoughts.

Thanks for this, as long as the guy paid out of his own cash to Daniels that case should be over. It should also be over for his political career, but party of Country right?

That said, the last point on the property tax valuations. Jurisdictions greatly differ on how property taxes are valued. My understanding is that in NYC when you own rental properties like apartment buildings, part of the valuation comes from it's income generating ability. Trump's company filings contained errors not just in those to his favor, but also in unit sizing. I believe that case is comparing what he filed with the banks to what he filed with the NY tax authority. I would have to ask my buddy at the AZ Recorders office here, but I would guess the income component is rather common.

Like I said, if I had an apartment complex and did what he did I would be in jail. You sign papers at title companies that you are telling the truth about things. Yes banks and insurance companies have that fiduciary responsibility, but that does not and should never absolve someone like Trump from his.

The Georgia case, that was/is the weakest case of them all (not really since he used his own cash). I am not an attorney, but intent is a requirement for a lot of crimes. How are you going to prove his line "find me the votes" meant to literally conjure them up? It's repugnant he even made that phone call, but repugnant does not equal criminal.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Our problem is we have two candidates who are past their prime, and both parties failed to support good successors.

But, every incumbent since Nixon has run for a second term. Hard to overcome that built in advantage to the current office holder.
And I guess hard to persuade them to step aside for someone else.

Begs the question then, it's safe to assume both parties knew of each of respective candidates weaknesses. Biden is severely old and sickly, Trump is at worst criminal in his business enterprises and at best so shady one would be foolish to work with him.

Perhaps the real power in the USA does not reside in the President's office but elsewhere. Neither party seemed overly concerned with propping up, backing, and running another candidate.

A solution would be Biden dropping Harris and adding DeSantis to his ballot. He would win for sure, it would not even be close. DeSantis, yes when pandering to the extreme is nuts, but he rarely passed anything as Governor of Florida. Anything RFK related is just nuts, the guy still says vaccines cause autism.

[paulxu]

I think a lot of people pay money for sex.
I think a lot of people pay hush money so their sexual activity won't be revealed.

This defendant says he did NOT have sex with Stormy, and yet paid her $130K.
Same with McDougal.
Those girls should go in business...how to get paid for nothing.

[bobbiemcgee]

He was also dumb enough to payoff the doorman.

[Strange Brew]

He was also dumb enough to payoff the doorman.

What?

Hey Bobbie, let me know if you’d like the hotline number to host a migrant family. You should be good be good for three or four right?

Yes, fellow Muskies. It’s a real thing. Hopefully it will be contained to Denver County and the City (which are the same thing).

[bobbiemcgee]

Usual nonsense and xenophobia.

[Strange Brew]

Usual nonsense and xenophobia.

You keep using that word……

So Bob, would you like the number?

Well, since you’re being your usual self.

http://https://kdvr.com/news/local/hosting-a-migrant-family-in-your-home-is-now-as-simple-as-a-phone-call/

Just remember bobbie, you can make a difference. :)

[bobbiemcgee]

We get it. You hate brown people. Keep in your family please. Teach the kids.

[Strange Brew]

We get it. You hate brown people. Keep in your family please.

Dude. I live in a wonderfully multi-culturally diverse neighborhood in South Denver.

Love my neighbors. Stop projecting.

Edit: So, how many families are you willing, yourself to take into your home. Since you’re so not well…

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha no brown people I guess. How about the blacks and asians?

[Strange Brew]

Haha no brown people I guess. How about the blacks and asians?

You make me sad. All kinds of colors around here.

How many migrant families are living in the McGee house? I provided the link (just pick up the phone and it’s done). Just pick up the phone. Or would you prefer to continue to virtue signal here?

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe you can give them a home?.And your link didn't work.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you can give them a home?.And your link didn't work.

Nope, we’re good here. You voted for this. You own it.

And it’s two spaces after a period. My neighbors would be offended.

Them? How dare you? Haha!

[bobbiemcgee]

Enough of racist crap. Back to the Nuggets game.

[Strange Brew]

Enough of racist crap.

You’re right. You should stop.

Just reach out and call Bobbie. I think you could make a huge difference for someone that doesn’t look like you. :)

Edit: Oh, the nuggets are on..?

[GoMuskies]

Bill Mahar went on his show last night and posted video FROM HIS OWN SHOW in 2018 of Stormy contradicting her trial testimony. What. A. Clown. Show.

[Masterofreality]

I think a lot of people pay money for sex.
I think a lot of people pay hush money so their sexual activity won't be revealed.

This defendant says he did NOT have sex with Stormy, and yet paid her $130K.
Same with McDougal.
Those girls should go in business...how to get paid for nothing.

Yeah, he paid because he can, and he was extorted.
The “defendant” is on trial for something that is not a crime- except for the person who committed the extortion.
Do you get it yet, or are you just gonna keep those insane blue glasses on- filled with hate for a former President?

[XU_Lou]

Biden declaration of lawfare against Trump is starting to look like Pickett's Charge.

[paulxu]

Buy more sneakers. He may be in the hook for another $100 million for taking the same deduction twice.

[XU_Lou]

Buy more sneakers. He may be in the hook for another $100 million for taking the same deduction twice.

yawn...

[bobbiemcgee]

Typically grift. Why he never ever pays taxes until he gets caught.

[Strange Brew]

Typically grift. Why he never ever pays taxes until he gets caught.

The first NY case wasn’t a tax code violation.

Did you call the hotline yet?

[XU_Lou]

buh-bye Joe...

“I grew up a Democrat, and I've always been a Democrat until I met this man right here. Nobody in my family will ever vote for a Democrat again.”

- Lawrence Taylor, 5/12/24

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1789450401068327345

[bobbiemcgee]

Wonder how much an endorsement is worth from a registered sex offender.

[bobbiemcgee]

Did you call the hotline yet?
You need to call 988.

[X-band '01]

It only cost David Trone north of $60 million to not even make the Maryland Senate race that will feature former Governor Larry Hogan and Angela Alsobrooks. Alsobrooks spent maybe a tenth of that money just to win the Democratic primary. Gonna be a fascinating race to watch.

[Smails]

Even CNN is calling him out now. Why does he keep doubling down like this??

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/fact-check-biden-again-falsely-212038162.html

[X-band '01]

He'll just have to explain that when he debates Trump on CNN next month. (no television audience, BTW)

[bobbiemcgee]

Is the debate at Riker's? (Joking)

[bobbiemcgee]

Dow @ 40k

[bjf123]

Dow @ 40k

My 401(k) says thanks. Doesn’t help the fact that my groceries, insurance, utilities, gasoline, etc., are costing me 20-30% more than a few years ago while my raises have been in the 3-4% range.


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[Masterofreality]

Dow @ 40k

Which makes all the elites happy but does zero for the hundred million that are working long hours and/or multiple jobs to keep food on the table and gas in their tank because of garbage economic policies of this administration.
I’m sure that all the deadbeats who got their college loans forgiven are rolling in their extra investment cash.
Very fair since those millions working the long hours will wind up paying off the deadbeats loans through their onerous taxes.
And our kids & grandkids will be paying off Biden’s debt for years to come.

[XU_Lou]

Which makes all the elites happy but does zero for the hundred million that are working long hours and/or multiple jobs to keep food on the table and gas in their tank because of garbage economic policies of this administration.
I’m sure that all the deadbeats who got their college loans forgiven are rolling in their extra investment cash.
Very fair since those millions working the long hours will wind up paying off the deadbeats loans through their onerous taxes.
And our kids & grandkids will be paying off Biden’s debt for years to come.

You may ask why.

This vid explains a lot - this is an interview with Jared Bernstein, Biden's Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors. This is downright scary:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9c9zcut0o

[XU_Lou]

Pretty devastating interview from earlier today with Robert Costello, the former adviser to Michael Cohen. He also testified before Congress yesterday:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE6O5RCcQ44

[Xuperman]

Here is an ELECTED Democrat taking anti-Americanism to another level.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/socialist-chicago-council-member-says-racist-punish-criminals-america-garbage-society

There is no way to stop this. It will only spread because it is being normalized and accepted. This ideology exists exclusive to the Democrat party. Yeah, she is a fringe leftist lunatic, but she is an ELECTED lunatic. Where is her Mayor's response? Her district representatives? Her Governor? No where, because either they agree or fear the inevitable blowback politically. There has to be some unified condemnation of this poison from the Democrats in her orbit, or better yet, from some nationally.

This is a serious problem that can only get worse.

[Xuperman]

Maybe Morning Joe could do a hit piece on her?

The fact that it would never ever happen says a lot, and is a huge part of the problem.

[UCGRAD4X]

You may ask why.

This vid explains a lot - this is an interview with Jared Bernstein, Biden's Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors. This is downright scary:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-9c9zcut0o

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. 8Q2YjJfcJ_iJHLz2X1atPQAAAA%26pid%3DApi%26h%3D160&f=1&ipt=1d81cce3e4b885e5c59fd1f6eb15d1470ed6f90cd123c9 15ca92bc6ccb42ac53&ipo=images

[bobbiemcgee]

Alito seems to have a flag problem. Disgusting.

[paulxu]

“Stock market will crash if we elect Biden.”

Dow Jones: 40,000

(One of these things is not like the other)

[Muskie in dayton]

“Stock market will crash if we elect Biden.”

Dow Jones: 40,000

(One of these things is not like the other)
Adjust for inflation and it’s under 30,000.

He’s also a child molester.

[Xuperman]

Adjust for inflation and it’s under 30,000.

He’s also a child molester.

Just imagine if it was a Trump kid's diary???

The entire MSM news cycle would implode into a fully encompassed and hysterical lynch mob.

BUT...Biden + Dems + MSM = Crickets.

More F'ing master class leftist manipulation with full cooperation of the Main Stream Media. Not even a hint of a story here.

A perfect Copperfield Illusion.

[paulxu]

Today’s fun:
Rudy post pic with 4 blonds, laughing that if AZ can’t find him before tomorrow, they’ll drop the suit.
30 minutes later he’s served. Deletes post.

[bjf123]

Just imagine if it was a Trump kid's diary???

The entire MSM news cycle would implode into a fully encompassed and hysterical lynch mob.

BUT...Biden + Dems + MSM = Crickets.

More F'ing master class leftist manipulation with full cooperation of the Main Stream Media. Not even a hint of a story here.

A perfect Copperfield Illusion.

Or if it was Trump, Jr.’s laptop instead of Hunter’s. Think that would have been dismissed so quickly by the MSM?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Think Hunter was covered ad nauseam and fox will be blowing their wad in the trial in 2 weeks.

[bjf123]

Think Hunter was covered ad nauseam and fox will be blowing their wad in the trial in 2 weeks.

The MSM’s coverage was to dismiss it a Russian disinformation and not worth investigating.


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[Xuperman]

Marco Rubio just destroyed Kristen Welker in a typical MTP pro-Dem "gotcha" style interview. He was having no part of it....just about as sharp in delivery communicating conservative policy as you will ever see.

Especially on the border. When ask if he agrees with Trump's plan to deport the 11 million immigrants here, he basically laughed in her face, saying "11 million? That was 15-20 years ago! We have at least that many additional illegals here in Biden's 3 1/2 years. Yes, I agree because it's not immigration, it's a mass migration... an illegal invasion".

Rubio would be a home run VP pick. He is in his prime. Basically the best political player in the GOP.

[STL_XUfan]

Rubio would be a home run VP pick. He is in his prime. Basically the best political player in the GOP.

Except that pesky constitution keeps getting in the way. Guess he could always resign his senate seat and move to Alabama

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn't he say trump wants to "make America Orange"?

[Xuperman]

Except that pesky constitution keeps getting in the way. Guess he could always resign his senate seat and move to Alabama

????...what are you talking about?

[X-band '01]

Except that pesky constitution keeps getting in the way. Guess he could always resign his senate seat and move to Alabama

For those who do not understand, below is the text of the 12th Amendment to the Constitution:


The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;–the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;–The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.–]The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

[STL_XUfan]

????...what are you talking about?
Florida electoral college voters couldn’t vote for both Trump and Marco. So unless they want to concede Florida and risk president Trump VP Harris, someone has to move. When asked about it, Trump said it wouldn’t be him because Florida would be sad if he said he lived somewhere else.

[Xuperman]

Florida electoral college voters couldn’t vote for both Trump and Marco. So unless they want to concede Florida and risk president Trump VP Harris, someone has to move. When asked about it, Trump said it wouldn’t be him because Florida would be sad if he said he lived somewhere else.

I am perplexed.

[paulxu]

With all the sycophants that parade to the court, hoping for a photo op with the defendant, it's surprising his wife hasn't been there to support him.

[xubrew]

Many students who are protesting for Hamas are also speaking out about how highly offended they are by what they feel were misogynistic comments made by the Chief's place kicker at a graduation speech.

Okay, sure...

And The Left wonders why they can't ever win anything

[GoMuskies]

My kids' grade school hires like a teacher a year from Benedictine. And in almost every case the teacher gets pregnant and quits within 2 years.

I think Butker had the right target audience.

[xubrew]

My kids' grade school hires like a teacher a year from Benedictine. And in almost every case the teacher gets pregnant and quits within 2 years.

I think Butker had the right target audience.

Probably.

I for one don't share that particular viewpoint, but I don't give a fuck if that's his viewpoint! I don't care that he said what he did. I'm a little baffled at how an NFL placekicker with no other notable academic or socially progressive accomplishments gets invited to be a commencement speaker, but that's really not my business or concern either.

I think people get way too angry over symbolism and speech that they don't like. I personally wouldn't kneel during the National Anthem either, but I didn't go out of my mind batshit when other people decided to do that. Why would I?? It's a symbolic gesture. If anything I was annoyed by people who kneeled and thought that a symbolic gesture was the same as taking actual action toward the problem.

The thing abut the First Amendment is that at some point we will all either see something, hear something, or see someone doing something that we don't like. That's part of the deal. an unimportant placekicker said something that many people don't agree with. So fucking what!!?? Just shrug and move on.

[Xville]

I thought his speech was tone deaf and complete batshit, and had I been a female sitting there who had just worked my butt off for 4 years and paid the tuition, I would have thought it even more batshit. However, I think it's great he has the ability to say stuff like that (without persecution), and for others to think and say its complete batshit.

Heck even the benedictine nuns thought it was batshit. Butker may want to switch religions--it wasn't "Catholic" at all, unless He is a pre second Vatican Catholic I guess.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Adjust for inflation and it’s under 30,000.

He’s also a child molester.

Child molester? This is about as shameful of a post as I have ever read here. Take a good look in mirror and understand how disgusting it was. Literally, this post is the epitome of the going idea that "some people just have not been punched in the face".

[XU_Lou]

Child molester? This is about as shameful of a post as I have ever read here. Take a good look in mirror and understand how disgusting it was. Literally, this post is the epitome of the going idea that "some people just have not been punched in the face".

Dude - you need to get out more often. This quote is from Biden's daughter's diary:

"Hyper-sexualized @ a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so – I can’t remember specifics but I do remember trauma – I remember not liking the woolzacks house; I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a cousin]; I remember having sex with Friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate). Being turned on when I wasn’t supposed to be.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10896941/Florida-woman-Ashley-Bidens-diary-investigation-selling-it.html

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/07/project-veritas-ashley-biden-diary-leak/

Here's video evidence of Joe's most creepiest moments (the ones caught on camera), be sure to watch all the way thru:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYxocpZ0kM

[Xuperman]

Dude - you need to get out more often. This quote is from Biden's daughter's diary:

"Hyper-sexualized @ a young age. What is this due to? Was I molested. I think so – I can’t remember specifics but I do remember trauma – I remember not liking the woolzacks house; I remember somewhat being sexualized with [a cousin]; I remember having sex with Friends @ a young age; showers w/my dad (probably not appropriate). Being turned on when I wasn’t supposed to be.”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10896941/Florida-woman-Ashley-Bidens-diary-investigation-selling-it.html

https://theintercept.com/2022/09/07/project-veritas-ashley-biden-diary-leak/

Here's video evidence of Joe's most creepiest moments (the ones caught on camera), be sure to watch all the way thru:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydYxocpZ0kM

Just forget the horrific evidence in this video. Just forget it.

The intellectual impact here is disturbing. IF THIS was a Trump daughter...the big blue ball of EARTH would implde.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Toss out that accusation is at best wreckless and at worst reputation destroying libel. Has Biden been charged? Convicted? Calling someone a molester is near the worst label place on someone and should never be used callously. If one thing not liking a political party, it is a whole other thing using that label. Do better!

[Xville]

Toss out that accusation is at best wreckless and at worst reputation destroying libel. Has Biden been charged? Convicted? Calling someone a molester is near the worst label place on someone and should never be used callously. If one thing not liking a political party, it is a whole other thing using that label. Do better!

Lou, mid and their ilk are sick people that have no limit of shame. I don’t agree with a lot of the left on this board, but at least they are civil in their arguments for the most part.

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn:t trump want to "date" his daughter?

[noteggs]

Speaking of commencements, really enjoyed my youngest this weekend at Miami U. Can’t believe how much they have changed since I graduated. Three events in three days.

Now let’s compare the speakers I heard vs Biden’s message.

Miami brought in a 1996 grad who is now CEO at Chipotle. What positive message for recent grads.

A few key points:

- Personal responsibility.
- Be proud of your country and be proud of the United States.
- Thank the people who helped you along the way.
- Stay in touch with friends and professors.
- Write personal letters after interviews not email.
- You will make a difference if you apply yourself. Regardless of the size or scope.

Also the student president did a bang up job. She and the VP were the first black representatives who were elected together. Obviously she was very proud of the fact because they should be. Rest of speech was also inspiring. No excuses or blame.

Now compare listening to Biden. Is this the 1960’s? Where in the hell is the inspiration. Yes, we still have work to do, but why treat people like victims at graduation? I’m sure it wasn’t all doom and gloom but night and day from what I heard from the two speakers.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1792204584649396224/pu/pl/mGZFBrZkJD8wchK0.m3u8?tag=12&container=cmaf

[XU_Lou]

Toss out that accusation is at best wreckless and at worst reputation destroying libel. Has Biden been charged? Convicted? Calling someone a molester is near the worst label place on someone and should never be used callously. If one thing not liking a political party, it is a whole other thing using that label. Do better!

The evidence is staring you in the face!

[XU_Lou]

Lou, mid and their ilk are sick people that have no limit of shame. I don’t agree with a lot of the left on this board, but at least they are civil in their arguments for the most part.

Says the guy who just freaked out about an innocuous address from a lowly football player, but completely ignored an unhinged racist speech from the president - at a commencement address, no less.


"but at least they are civil" - another completely hilarious statement from the most uncivil person in the entire Xavier community. Never forget, Ville is the same guy who made numerous racist comments against numerous Xavier players and coaches. He's the first to throw out haymakers on this board, and then carries permanent vendettas. Now he has the gall to preach about civility. Give me a freaking break!!!

[X-band '01]

Speaking of commencements, really enjoyed my youngest this weekend at Miami U. Can’t believe how much they have changed since I graduated. Three events in three days.

Now let’s compare the speakers I heard vs Biden’s message.

Miami brought in a 1996 grad who is now CEO at Chipotle. What positive message for recent grads.

A few key points:

- Personal responsibility.
- Be proud of your country and be proud of the United States.
- Thank the people who helped you along the way.
- Stay in touch with friends and professors.
- Write personal letters after interviews not email.
- You will make a difference if you apply yourself. Regardless of the size or scope.

Also the student president did a bang up job. She and the VP were the first black representatives who were elected together. Obviously she was very proud of the fact because they should be. Rest of speech was also inspiring. No excuses or blame.

Now compare listening to Biden. Is this the 1960’s? Where in the hell is the inspiration. Yes, we still have work to do, but why treat people like victims at graduation? I’m sure it wasn’t all doom and gloom but night and day from what I heard from the two speakers.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1792204584649396224/pu/pl/mGZFBrZkJD8wchK0.m3u8?tag=12&container=cmaf

I barely remember anything about the commencement speaker when I graduated from X. But to your point, one of the best speeches I've heard (albeit dating back to 2014) was from Ed Helms at Cornell. He was the one that played proud Cornell grad Andy Bernard from The Office:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnAnRsqia0&pp=ygUQZWQgaGVsbXMgY29ybmVsbA%3D%3D

[Xville]

Speaking of commencements, really enjoyed my youngest this weekend at Miami U. Can’t believe how much they have changed since I graduated. Three events in three days.

Now let’s compare the speakers I heard vs Biden’s message.

Miami brought in a 1996 grad who is now CEO at Chipotle. What positive message for recent grads.

A few key points:

- Personal responsibility.
- Be proud of your country and be proud of the United States.
- Thank the people who helped you along the way.
- Stay in touch with friends and professors.
- Write personal letters after interviews not email.
- You will make a difference if you apply yourself. Regardless of the size or scope.

Also the student president did a bang up job. She and the VP were the first black representatives who were elected together. Obviously she was very proud of the fact because they should be. Rest of speech was also inspiring. No excuses or blame.

Now compare listening to Biden. Is this the 1960’s? Where in the hell is the inspiration. Yes, we still have work to do, but why treat people like victims at graduation? I’m sure it wasn’t all doom and gloom but night and day from what I heard from the two speakers.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1792204584649396224/pu/pl/mGZFBrZkJD8wchK0.m3u8?tag=12&container=cmaf

Sounds like a great speech, and actually inspirational which is what a grad speech should be.


Had not seen Biden’s…typical politicking bs. Our political “ leaders” are horrible. We should demand better on both sides.

[Xville]

Says the guy who just freaked out about an innocuous address from a lowly football player, but completely ignored an unhinged racist speech from the president - at a commencement address, no less.


"but at least they are civil" - another completely hilarious statement from the most uncivil person in the entire Xavier community. Never forget, Ville is the same guy who made numerous racist comments against numerous Xavier players and coaches. He's the first to throw out haymakers on this board, and then carries permanent vendettas. Now he has the gall to preach about civility. Give me a freaking break!!!

Your definition of racist and racism is much like everything else you believe or say.

[Xuperman]

Toss out that accusation is at best wreckless and at worst reputation destroying libel. Has Biden been charged? Convicted? Calling someone a molester is near the worst label place on someone and should never be used callously. If one thing not liking a political party, it is a whole other thing using that label. Do better!

Molestation? What molestation?

So, what's the big deal? Ashley Biden...in a hand written diary...lays out the fact that she frequently showered with her DAD. I guess you don't have an issue with this, but it kinda puts your sanity in question.

However, Grandpa Joe washing her "back" is not the point, right? Right???

It's the absurdity of the MSM that runs endless cover and an obscene propaganda network for the Democrat party.

Again, if this was Tiffany Trump's diary.....it would be an all consuming MSM meltdown. A bigger story than the JFK assassination!

[Xuperman]

Lou, mid and their ilk are sick people that have no limit of shame. I don’t agree with a lot of the left on this board, but at least they are civil in their arguments for the most part.

Sez the guy that wanted to "lay pipe" in another poster's MOM, but couldn't work out the logistics.

Man.....just priceless.

[Xville]

Sez the guy that wanted to "lay pipe" in another poster's MOM, but couldn't work out the logistics.

Man.....just priceless.

So you don’t understand the difference between mom jokes and

1. Calling people child molesters
2. Comparing people to hitler/nazis
3. Accusing fellow posters who were in the Vietnam war of fighting for the vc

That’s a small sampling, but good to know!

[Xuperman]

So you don’t understand the difference between mom jokes and

1. Calling people child molesters
2. Comparing people to hitler/nazis
3. Accusing fellow posters who were in the Vietnam war of fighting for the vc

That’s a small sampling, but good to know!

MOM jokes?

Incorporating someone's MOM in a pathetic attempt at "humor" would have you with less teeth in my world.

My MOTHER is as precious as it gets fool.

[Xville]

MOM jokes?

Incorporating someone's MOM in a pathetic attempt at "humor" would have you with less teeth in my world.

My MOTHER is as precious as it gets fool.

Sure tough guy.

Moving on.

[Xuperman]

Tough guy?

You have no idea!

MOMS are COMPLETELY OFF LIMITS and always will be.

Just weasel out an apology and be done with it.

[Xuperman]

NEWSFLASH!.....Now confirmed.

Donald Trump is proven to have an insatiable appetite for "interactions" with dirty ladies.

Joe Biden has a verified track record of "weird" incidents with young girls. AND his daughter has documented he liked to shower with her.

[Xuperman]

The insanity of the Dem progressive agenda is SOOO easy to dismantle. Just about everything they do is plainly corrosive to the fabric of our Country.

It's the PROPAGANDA MACHINE of the MSM that makes that impossible. There is zero balance on ALL information platforms.

[Xuperman]

Sorry....I basically stay pissed off and worried for my country.

Apply that to everything I have posted on these non-BBall threads.

I have THREE kids in college.....ALL THREE do not think the USA is the greatest country on Earth. TWO of them believe the USA creates unnecessary chaos in the world.

I stay in perpetual confusion and constantly wonder....how/why?

We are in a propaganda war that is dominated by the left. In all of our media outlets, social media and institutes of education. Our destiny is written and irreversible at this point.

Yeah....I stay pissed.

[Xville]

Tough guy?

You have no idea!

MOMS are COMPLETELY OFF LIMITS and always will be.

Just weasel out an apology and be done with it.

Sure keyboard warrior. Back to your nonsense

[Xuperman]

Sure keyboard warrior. Back to your nonsense

Hey....Xville is doubling down on HIS...."DICK another posters MOM"...."JOKE".

Talk about NONSENSE.

This guy has lost all credibility here. It is completely unacceptable. How can you imply a desire to "plow" another poster's MOTHER, but somehow get a pass?

He will...but can anyone post something in support of this excrement individual? Anyone?

[Xville]

Hey, Xville is doubling down on HIS...."DICK another posters MOM"...."JOKE".

Talk about NONSENSE....This guy has lost all credibility here.....on this issue alone. It is completely unacceptable. How can you imply a desire to "plow" another poster's MOTHER, but somehow get a pass?

He will, but can anyone post something in support of this excrement individual? Anyone?

Just another example of that obiden fundamwbtally transform something something lol

[Xuperman]

You ARE LOL!

You huffing something?

[Xuperman]

Please let this happen.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/another-surprising-reason-joe-biden-should-step-aside

[GoMuskies]

Please let this happen.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/another-surprising-reason-joe-biden-should-step-aside

Sounds like what a Clinton supporter might have said in 2016 about Trump getting the Republican nomination. Careful what you wish for.

[STL_XUfan]

Just a quick tip for anyone thinking about running for nationwide office, tell your ghost writer to leave out the story about shooting your puppy.

Another quick tip, always proof read your ads to make sure they do not contain Nazi references.

[Smails]

Sounds like what a Clinton supporter might have said in 2016 about Trump getting the Republican nomination. Careful what you wish for.

Totally agree and the thought of that giggling buffoon in the Oval Office should scare everyone.

On the other hand, something HAS to give because he is getting worse by the day and shows no signs of improvement

https://nypost.com/2024/05/20/us-news/biden-says-things-were-kinda-bad-when-he-was-vice-president-during-pandemic/

[Xville]

If hypothetically he was somehow replaced, what are the chances that we as a nation could get lucky, and the candidate be "normal?"

[STL_XUfan]

If hypothetically he was somehow replaced, what are the chances that we as a nation could get lucky, and the candidate be "normal?"
So here is the list of the 2020 Democratic Nominees who have/had been elected as a Democrat (and is not currently vying for Trump's VP). Who are you supporting as normal:

Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Michael Bloomberg
Amy Klobuchar
Pete Buttigieg
Deval Patrick
Michael Bennet
John Delaney
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Kamala Harris
Steve Bullock
John Sestak
Wayne Messame
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Jay Inslee
John Hickenlooper
Eric Swalwell

[GoMuskies]

If hypothetically he was somehow replaced, what are the chances that we as a nation could get lucky, and the candidate be "normal?"

My handy betting app tells me the top non-Biden Democrat choices to win the Presidency in '24 are (in order of likelihood):

Michelle Obama (25-1)
Gavin Newsom (28-1)
Kamala Harris (50-1)
Gretchen Whitmer (100-1)
Hillary Clinton (150-1)
Mark Cuban (though I assume that would be independent and not through the party) (250-1)

You tell me.

[GoMuskies]

So here is the list of the 2020 Democratic Nominees who have/had been elected as a Democrat (and is not currently vying for Trump's VP). Who are you supporting as normal:

Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Michael Bloomberg
Amy Klobuchar
Pete Buttigieg
Deval Patrick
Michael Bennet
John Delaney
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Kamala Harris
Steve Bullock
John Sestak
Wayne Messame
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Jay Inslee
John Hickenlooper
Eric Swalwell


From that list, Bloomberg and Booker. A number on the list I don't know enough about, but definitely no on 4 of the top 6 who aren't Bloomberg. Mayor Pete would be better than Biden or Trump, I suppose (talk about damning with faint praise!).

[STL_XUfan]

From that list, Bloomberg and Booker. A number on the list I don't know enough about, but definitely no on 4 of the top 6 who aren't Bloomberg. Mayor Pete would be better than Biden or Trump, I suppose (talk about damning with faint praise!).
Now I am genuinely curious of why Booker made the cut for you? He is a fairly progressive Democrat. What in his messaging is getting through to you.

[GoMuskies]

I watched most of the confirmation hearings for Barrett and Kavanaugh. Booker simply passes the normal human being test. I may disagree with him politically, but he seems like a decent, competent person. Which puts him at the opposite end of Kamala Harris. She fails the normal human being test quite convincingly. I'm sure she's not stupid and incompetent, but she certainly came off that way in those particular hearings.

[Xville]

My handy betting app tells me the top non-Biden Democrat choices to win the Presidency in '24 are (in order of likelihood):

Michelle Obama (25-1)
Gavin Newsom (28-1)
Kamala Harris (50-1)
Gretchen Whitmer (100-1)
Hillary Clinton (150-1)
Mark Cuban (though I assume that would be independent and not through the party) (250-1)

You tell me.

Well of that list, zero. Michelle isn’t running ever, that’s a 0.0. I’d take her because although I disagree politically with her, at least she’s normal. The rest are crap, Cuban I guess is “normal” but no thank you. 4 years of trump telling us how awesome and smart he is, I can’t take four years of that with Cuban too.

[Xville]

So here is the list of the 2020 Democratic Nominees who have/had been elected as a Democrat (and is not currently vying for Trump's VP). Who are you supporting as normal:

Bernie Sanders
Elizabeth Warren
Michael Bloomberg
Amy Klobuchar
Pete Buttigieg
Deval Patrick
Michael Bennet
John Delaney
Cory Booker
Julian Castro
Kamala Harris
Steve Bullock
John Sestak
Wayne Messame
Beto O'Rourke
Tim Ryan
Jay Inslee
John Hickenlooper
Eric Swalwell

A lot of these people I honestly don’t know.

I’m with go on booker. I don’t agree with him much politically but he’s intelligent and doesn’t seem to be nuts.

F no to Clinton, o’rourke, Pete, Kamala, Bernie, Warren klobuchar.

Are there any moderates in that list that you know of?

[STL_XUfan]

I watched most of the confirmation hearings for Barrett and Kavanaugh. Booker simply passes the normal human being test. I may disagree with him politically, but he seems like a decent, competent person. Which puts him at the opposite end of Kamala Harris. She fails the normal human being test quite convincingly. I'm sure she's not stupid and incompetent, but she certainly came off that way in those particular hearings.

Thanks for the honest answer.

I forget who said it (maybe John Dickerson of CBS news), but he had a quip that in modern times the only flaw a presidential candidate cannot overcome is being bad on TV.

[bobbiemcgee]

Pubs will put up MTG and Boebert unless trump refuses to leave.

[XU_Lou]

Not only is Biden using lawfare to eliminate his political opponents, but we have just learned that he and is DOJ were prepared to "use deadly force when necessary" during the Mar-a-Lago.

The newly declassified docs also state that Biden's Gestapo was prepared to "engage with FPOTUS and USSS Security Team".

The FBI even took a freaking medic with them during the raid!

What the bloody hell? This is by far the most outrageous thing in a series of outrageous things this pedophile has done to our country. This is the kind of shit that went down in Hitler's Germany.

What won't these fanatics not do to stay in power? This POS is pushing us towards civil war.

How can anyone in their right mind not see that Biden is acting like a dictator? Biden and Garland must be removed from office immediately. The profoundly corrupt FBI and DOJ must be completely overhauled.


https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/status/1792969008657948733?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1792969008657948733%7Ctwgr% 5Ea7439d0ba0fc8fe8654dd432ce4ccfc53783d574%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Flibertyonenews.com%2Fnewly-unsealed-doc-reveals-biden-fbi-authorized-the-use-of-deadly-force-during-mar-a-lago-raid%2F

[X-band '01]

Thanks for the honest answer.

I forget who said it (maybe John Dickerson of CBS news), but he had a quip that in modern times the only flaw a presidential candidate cannot overcome is being bad on TV.

Is it the same person who used to say the most dangerous place in Washington was between Chuck Schumer and a camera?

[Xville]

If only all of that could have been avoided… oh wait it could have, but trump decided to be trumpish.

Such fake outrage.

[bobbiemcgee]

Too bad he wasn:t home and if the security attacked, they could've responded in kind
Didn't he want to hang the Vp?.

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you want a dictator with a "unified reich".

[GoMuskies]

Gotta tell you, I think I'm leaning unified reich over (brain) dead man walking(/stumbling).

[Strange Brew]

Do you want a dictator with a "unified reich".

What is the “unified reich”?

Is that like the People’s Front of Judea?

[Xuperman]

My handy betting app tells me the top non-Biden Democrat choices to win the Presidency in '24 are (in order of likelihood):

Michelle Obama (25-1)
Gavin Newsom (28-1)
Kamala Harris (50-1)
Gretchen Whitmer (100-1)
Hillary Clinton (150-1)
Mark Cuban (though I assume that would be independent and not through the party) (250-1)

You tell me.

I had the 25-1 shot booked at "Never".

Donald Trump is literally the most HATED politician in American history. Not only from his opposition party, but their propaganda agents in the MSM, Social Media and Hollywood. He is absolutely despised. There can be NO debate on that fact.

That being the reality of this conversation, you have to ask....what is the Democrat power structure willing to do to keep Trump from checking back into the White House?

Answer.....any and all means necessary. ANY and ALL.

Look, Biden and/or Harris are UNELECTABLE.

I am on record, long ago, in seeing how this "Fundamentally Transform America" disaster continues. Nominate Michele OBAMA in a brokered DNC. There is not any politician/person on the planet that could beat her. Mission accomplished.

It is well documented she DOESN'T WANT the job. HOWEVER, where is it written that she could win, then resign POTUS, and elevate the Barack hand picked VP?

We elected DONALD TRUMP as PRESIDENT and MEN can have BABIES. This is seems to be our next reality.

[Xville]

Gotta tell you, I think I'm leaning unified reich over (brain) dead man walking(/stumbling).

I’d go for Mr autistic vaccine. He’s bonkers but he’s better than the other two.

[Strange Brew]

I’d go for Mr autistic vaccine. He’s bonkers but he’s better than the other two.

What if he was Trump’s VP nominee? Or Biden’s for that matter?

[Xville]

What if he was Trump’s VP nominee? Or Biden’s for that matter?

I’m not voting for either of those two no matter who their vp is.

[Strange Brew]

I’m not voting for either of those two no matter who their vp is.

That’s fair.

All for third party candidates. Would’ve voted for Perot if I wasn’t in Middle School at the time. :)

[GoMuskies]

I’d go for Mr autistic vaccine. He’s bonkers but he’s better than the other two.

Yeah, I won't actually vote for Trump or Biden. Perhaps Trump if he made Tulsi his VP. But he won't. I might vote for Conel West for the sheer absurdity.

[Xuperman]

That’s fair.

All for third party candidates. Would’ve voted for Perot if I wasn’t in Middle School at the time. :)

Just go full on blast nostalgia and write in Alfred E. Neuman!!!

[Strange Brew]

Just go full on blast nostalgia and write in Alfred E. Neuman!!!

What Me Worry. ;)

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, I won't actually vote for Trump or Biden. Perhaps Trump if he made Tulsi his VP. But he won't. I might vote for Conel West for the sheer absurdity.

Now we’re talking. Tulsi for Vp!

[Muskie in dayton]

We just got confirmation the sitting U.S. President attempted to murder his chief political rival.

If that’s okay with you you’re not okay with me.

[bjf123]

We just got confirmation the sitting U.S. President attempted to murder his chief political rival.

If that’s okay with you you’re not okay with me.

Need some context here.


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