Politics Thread

[X-band '01]

Is that the going hourly rate for Trump's attorney? She got a verbal spanking from the judge in the "other" civil trial in NY today.

[xuphan]

2.02 here.

2.02 in Colorado? How are gas prices so low there?

[paulxu]

Chris Christie now suspending his presidential campaign. Now the race is really getting closer to Trump v. Haley for the Republican primary.

If Haley's team has any sense, they'll incorporate this in an ad asking "do you trust this guy in the Oval Office?"


https://twitter.com/i/status/1747818968549634411

[Xuperman]

Glenn Beck opened his 1st 2024 show "all in" on this. Locally, Cunningham is convinced. This is the reality folks....it's likely to be as predicted long ago.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/17/opinion/dont-be-shocked-if-michelle-obama-sneaks-her-way-into-2024-race/

The Obama "Fundamentally transform America" power cabal will never allow the leader of the Biden Crime Syndicate to be up for the 2024 Presidential Election. His polling is absolutely abhorrent. Sleepy Joe is UNELECTABLE.

[Xuperman]

And you can BANK ON this White House to do even more America crushing ridiculous sh!t before the DNC CONVENTION.

It's Weekend at Bernie's time with this corpse for the lunatic left. Biden is UNELECTABLE and the Progressive Power Cabal will never risk this Dementia inflicted grandpa giving MAGA another term.

[xuphan]

If Haley's team has any sense, they'll incorporate this in an ad asking "do you trust this guy in the Oval Office?"


https://twitter.com/i/status/1747818968549634411

Let’s rank these candidates from most electable to least electable. I’ll throw in Gavin Newsome as another lefty option. Curious to see how people on here would rank them.

Haley, Newsome, Trump, DeSantis, Biden.

[UCGRAD4X]

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[bobbiemcgee]

2.02 in Colorado? How are gas prices so low there?

Dunno but 1.69 today

[bobbiemcgee]

If Haley's team has any sense, they'll incorporate this in an ad asking "do you trust this guy in the Oval Office?"


https://twitter.com/i/status/1747818968549634411

If she had any sense,_ she'd run as an independent.

[Xville]

If she had any sense,_ she'd run as an independent.

Why would that make sense? If trump wins the Republican primary, all her running as an independent would do is give trump the general.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why would that make sense? If trump wins the Republican primary, all her running as an independent would do is give trump the general.

She's 10 pts. Ahead of Biden. Trump is even with Biden.

[Xville]

She's 10 pts. Ahead of Biden. Trump is even with Biden.

So? The liberal/moderate vote would be split Biden/haley giving trump the general. It’s common sense.

[bobbiemcgee]

Or split haley/trump. The independent vote would go strongly for Haley.

[UCGRAD4X]

Dunno but 1.69 today

Told you it was a conspiracy. Libs are getting all the price breaks for supporting the regime!

[paulxu]

Here's another great ad for Nikki. All she has to do is say...."I was in South Carolina on Jan 6th."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1748533500117233721

[X-band '01]

I will not have you slandering a man who passed a cognitive test mister.

[paulxu]

Whale?

[Muskie in dayton]

She's 10 pts. Ahead of Biden. Trump is even with Biden.
According to the polls, she’s +1.1 over Biden. Trump is +2.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Her politics are identical to George W Bush. She’s trash.

[Xville]

According to the polls, she’s +1.1 over Biden. Trump is +2.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Her politics are identical to George W Bush. She’s trash.

Heil trump!

Brainwashed beyond recognition

[XU_Lou]

According to the polls, she’s +1.1 over Biden. Trump is +2.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Her politics are identical to George W Bush. She’s trash.

Can't distinguish a man from a woman. But the RINO swamp zombies will continue to support her.

[Xville]

Someone is confused as to who the rino is.

The king of debt is as mentally unfit as Biden but yeah we should definitely choose between these two old ass has beens

[Muskie in dayton]

Heil trump!

Brainwashed beyond recognition

Your TDS is showing.

Where TF do you get out of my post that it's about Trump? I provided an actual, current polling average to refute Bobbi's garbage claim (typical). I then trashed Haley because her politics are identical to W. Bush: fiscally irresponsible, war-monger, authoritarian. That is polar opposite of the values I hold.

Let me recap for you: Bobbi's post is garbage, Haley is garbage, nothing to do with Trump.

I swear, you must get your jollies out of posting asinine crap.

[Xville]

Your TDS is showing.

Where TF do you get out of my post that it's about Trump? I provided an actual, current polling average to refute Bobbi's garbage claim (typical). I then trashed Haley because her politics are identical to W. Bush: fiscally irresponsible, war-monger, authoritarian. That is polar opposite of the values I hold.

Let me recap for you: Bobbi's post is garbage, Haley is garbage, nothing to do with Trump.

I swear, you must get your jollies out of posting asinine crap.

Fiscally irresponsible? She’s the only fiscal conservative person in the race. The war monger, authoritarian nonsense is all trump speak. What actual proof of that is there? I get trump because you just used everyone of his talking points. It’s all baloney.

[Uncle Joe]

This is the true reality of what Biden, Haley and their phony supporters have done to Ukraine:


I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends.

Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.

The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.
- Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
- The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
- Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare.

They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.

I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.

Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.

https://twitter.com/MariaMateiciuc/status/1743658029893984735



"I told the Ukrainians many times: America is not your friend"
The United States is using Ukraine for personal purposes, former US military intelligence officer Scott Ritter said at a press conference in Moscow.

According to him, America has "got" into an advantageous position - it supplies weapons, but does not destroy anyone with its own hands.
Ritter noted that Washington is already tired of the conflict, so it will deal with Ukraine in the same way as with Vietnam and Afghanistan. In his opinion, Russia is on the right side regarding Ukraine. A former US intelligence officer also supported Russia's successes in the conflict.

https://twitter.com/peacemaket71/status/1748669850627592610



"To be honest, 500,000 which are now being discussed, if divided monthly, is around 30,000 per month. Then we will approximately understand what is happening on the front with the killed and severely wounded. People need to be told the truth. I believe Ukrainians deserve this truth. They must find out how many have died, and then all discussions about the need for mobilization will cease. This is the first step. Now there will be shock."

https://twitter.com/mazzenilsson/status/1743838384735281431

[Xville]

Takes a special kind of crazy to have two screen names on one chatboard.

[Muskie in dayton]

Fiscally irresponsible? She’s the only fiscal conservative person in the race. The war monger, authoritarian nonsense is all trump speak. What actual proof of that is there? I get trump because you just used everyone of his talking points. It’s all baloney.
The proof is her comments. She supports funding the Russia-Ukraine war, funding the Israel-Gaza war, and has threatened war on Iran if elected. She has spoken out against free speech and supported authoritarian covid policies. She is a bought corporate shill. Those types never behave as fiscal conservatives. They are too bought by those who benefit from big government.

The only proven fiscal conservative just exited the race. As in 2020, we are down to trash in both sides.

[Muskie in dayton]

Takes a special kind of crazy to have two screen names on one chatboard.
…and yet with twice as many screen names, he has less than 20% of the posts as you. Crazy.

[Xville]

The proof is her comments. She supports funding the Russia-Ukraine war, funding the Israel-Gaza war, and has threatened war on Iran if elected. She has spoken out against free speech and supported authoritarian covid policies. She is a bought corporate shill. Those types never behave as fiscal conservatives. They are too bought by those who benefit from big government.

The only proven fiscal conservative just exited the race. As in 2020, we are down to trash in both sides.

I wouldn’t consider funding allies to stay out of wars being a war monger. “Supported authoritarian covid policies”—-?

IMO there is a fine line between allowing free speech and hate speech, or do you side with the presidents of Harvard and the other elitist trash?

She has campaigned on fiscal conservatism throughout her entire candidacy, and has mentioned a few things she would try to enact that would bring forth a decrease in our spending. Ex. Finally doing something about the stupid social security problem that politicians have kicked down the road for 50 years.


It’s depressing how effed up this country’s voting bloc is when we have two horrible retreads going head to head again.

[X-band '01]

And then there were two. Ron DeSantis now suspending his campaign on the eve of the NH primary.

[Xville]

And then there were two. Ron DeSantis now suspending his campaign on the eve of the NH primary.

And kissing a guys’ ass that has made fun of him for about a year on the way out. What a putz

[Xville]

Maher on point here:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bill-maher-argues-battle-country-183256918.html

[Xuperman]

…and yet with twice as many screen names, he has less than 20% of the posts as you. Crazy.

The number is quickly approaching FOURTEEN THOUSAND. And nearly all in master fence riding fashion and always with a nice troll finish.

[Xville]

…and yet with twice as many screen names, he has less than 20% of the posts as you. Crazy.

Derp derp derp

[Xville]

The number is quickly approaching FOURTEEN THOUSAND. And nearly all in master fence riding fashion and always with a nice troll finish.

If only we were graced with 14k of your sky is falling posts then the world would be a better place.

Have you ever actually been right about anything posted here? Your track record is impressive:

Steele
Paul McMillan
The fall of Xavier after every game even in wins

[paulxu]

Woke Dictionary: 1
DeSantis: 0

Also, he attributed a phrase to Churchill that Churchill never said.
Typical.

[Xuperman]

Troll repellant

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34020-Disturbing-trend-under-Steele

I was attacked for being so negative.

[Strange Brew]

Woke Dictionary: 1
DeSantis: 0

Also, he attributed a phrase to Churchill that Churchill never said.
Typical.

Haha, tha heck?

Can you pretty please post a link to the woke dictionary? I’m well aware of others. Please enlighten me. :)

[Xuperman]

More for T boy

https://www.wcpo.com/sports/high-school-sports/woodwards-paul-mcmillan-iv-believed-to-be-the-first-cincinnati-public-schools-basketball-player-to-reach-2-000-points

That's sounds like some high end potential. Sometimes a kids priorities change.

[Xville]

More for T boy

https://www.wcpo.com/sports/high-school-sports/woodwards-paul-mcmillan-iv-believed-to-be-the-first-cincinnati-public-schools-basketball-player-to-reach-2-000-points

That's sounds like some high end potential. Sometimes a kids priorities change.

You look dumber trying to defend this. “A kids priorities change” you can’t even admit you were wrong, you double down. The kid went to njit because all the other schools took their offers back, and then he transferred to central Michigan and can’t even start there. Spare me your nonsense.

Scoring that many points in high school is nice, doesn’t mean you are a high d 1 player. The ones who can spot high d 1 talent (not you) know that.

[Xville]

Woke Dictionary: 1
DeSantis: 0

Also, he attributed a phrase to Churchill that Churchill never said.
Typical.

Do what?

[Strange Brew]

You look dumber trying to defend this. “A kids priorities change” you can’t even admit you were wrong, you double down. The kid went to njit because all the other schools took their offers back, and then he transferred to central Michigan and can’t even start there. Spare me your nonsense.

Scoring that many points in high school is nice, doesn’t mean you are a high d 1 player. The ones who can spot high d 1 talent (not you) know that.

Irony.

Please stay six from me if we ever meet.

[Xuperman]

Irony.

Please stay six from me if we ever meet.

Oh man Brew! You are consistently priceless!!

[Xville]

Irony.

Please stay six from me if we ever meet.

Oh Mr. Constitution hops on board lol shouldn’t you be world class skiiing or something habitual liar?

[Strange Brew]

Oh man Brew! You are consistently priceless!!

I didn’t ace both AP English exams for nothing. ;)

[Xville]

I didn’t ace both AP English exams for nothing. ;)

lol there it is. You can’t help yourself.

I once banged Salma Hayek and Gisele at the same time. It was awesome

[Xuperman]

So T boy posts something about "the people that know D1 talent".

The guy he has a hard on for, had offers from Purdue, Louisville, OSU, K-St, PSU and visited UK. Those are the people that know.

A Cincinnati prep GOAT tends to draw attention.

[Strange Brew]

lol there it is. You can’t help yourself.

I once banged Salma Hayek and Gisele at the same time. It was awesome

That sounds fun, a lot of work and good on ya! I hoped you refilled with Gatorade because phew, good work. :)

BTW, it’s true and I have the transcripts. You?

[Xville]

So T boy posts something about "the people that know D1 talent".

The guy he has a hard on for, had offers from Purdue, Louisville, OSU, K-St, PSU and visited UK. Those are the people that know.

A Cincinnati prep GOAT tends to draw attention.

Tripling down. You’ve lost it. Thought you knew the family? You should know then that the offers that were actually given were rescinded. That kind of shit happens all the time. He was once thought of as a big time prospect in his freshman year, he peaked. Shit happens. He accepted it, seems you still haven’t

[Xuperman]

Irony.

Please stay six from me if we ever meet.

He spent all of the Steele era, so excessively negative in game threads it was unbearable. He would have not fared well amongst my blue collar X friends.

[X-band '01]

It says something about Louisville who has no talent to speak of that even they were smart enough to withdraw their offer to McMillan.

[Xuperman]

T boy is getting a nut tonight!

Said player had multiple D1 schools present for the historic Woodward Championship and just killed the summer league as a SR.

[Xville]

He spent all of the Steele era, so excessively negative in game threads it was unbearable. He would have not fared well amongst my blue collar X friends.

Why? Were they stupid about steele too?

[Xville]

T boy is getting a nut tonight!

Said player had multiple D1 schools present for the historic Woodward Championship and just killed the summer league as a SR.

“Multiple d1 schools”—-hell even njit is a d1. lol keep digging that hole.

I mean does he need to show me on a doll where you touched him? I mean come up for air every once in a while, geezus

[Xuperman]

Again, most of us had this mindset.

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34020-Disturbing-trend-under-Steele

Roll on T boy

[Strange Brew]

He spent all of the Steele era, so excessively negative in game threads it was unbearable. He would have not fared well amongst my blue collar X friends.

Travis. I appreciate his efforts and he was in a horrific, no win situation. Would any us us want to follow: Staak, Gillen, Prosser, Matta and Miller? That seems like an uneven deck.

Which is why Miller is back.

[Xuperman]

T boy is trying to spin this....as if I brought any of this up.

Can there be any doubt that this tool is trolling folks for his own amusement?

[X-band '01]

He just has to get better, man. He's not exactly tearing it up in a down year for the MAC.

[Xville]

He just has to get better, man. He's not exactly tearing it up in a down year for the MAC.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5106659/paul-mcmillan-iv


This just screams high d1 talent man. He’s a shooter man he’s just got to keep shooting man lol

[Uncle Joe]

T boy is trying to spin this....as if I brought any of this up.

Can there be any doubt that this tool is trolling folks for his own amusement?

Yup... that's his M.O. - glad others are finally catching on.

BTW, PM IV was on X's radar for at least 3 or 4 years. The nerve of T boy with his supposed gotcha moment on you when he whined and complained ad nauseam that KyKy should've taken Kunkel's minutes. What a complete joke!!!

[Strange Brew]

He just has to get better, man. He's not exactly tearing it up in a down year for the MAC.

Ah, let’s give Travis a break and enjoy the fact that the Musketeers are doing Muskie things again.

[X-band '01]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5106659/paul-mcmillan-iv


This just screams high d1 talent man. He’s a shooter man he’s just got to keep shooting man lol

To be fair, I was talking more about Steele and his second season at Miami. It does help make John Groce the king of the MAC, though.

[Xville]

Yup... that's his M.O. - glad others are finally catching on.

BTW, PM IV was on X's radar for at least 3 or 4 years. The nerve of T boy with his supposed gotcha moment on you when he whined and complained ad nauseam that KyKy should've taken Kunkel's minutes. What a complete joke!!!

Do you get confused as to what screen name you’re on all the time or just here and there?

[Uncle Joe]

Do you get confused as to what screen name you’re on all the time or just here and there?

Over the target...mission accomplished!

[Xuperman]

He just has to get better, man. He's not exactly tearing it up in a down year for the MAC.

I don't know why anyone else would want to comment on this. I posted years ago when McIV was named Mr.Basketball, scoring nearly 30 per. I grew up playing hoop in and around Woodward/Cincinnati Gardens. I knew some of his uncle's. Naturally I was hoping X would sign him, but there are rumors why he hasn't excelled.

For some reason, T boy is trying to go hard on about how I was so wrong on a HS prospect. Don't feed the troll.

[Xville]

I don't know why anyone else would want to comment on this. I posted years ago when McIV was named Mr.Basketball, scoring nearly 30 per. I grew up playing hoop in and around Woodward/Cincinnati Gardens. I knew some of his uncle's. Naturally I was hoping X would sign him, but there are rumors why he hasn't excelled.

For some reason, T boy is trying to go hard on about how I was so wrong on a HS prospect. Don't feed the troll.

Some classic revisionist history painting yourself as just a guy who was hoping x would take. Nothing more than that, right xup? If it was just that, you wouldn’t have been made fun of about your feelings on McMillan by multiple posters on this board.

Movin on…

[Strange Brew]

Over the target...mission accomplished!

Stop. He’s in over his head.

“Proportional”. :)

[Uncle Joe]

Stop. He’s in over his head.

“Proportional”. :)

Are you saying I'm the Israel of this board????

[Xuperman]

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Yup... that's his M.O. - glad others are finally catching on.

BTW, PM IV was on X's radar for at least 3 or 4 years. The nerve of T boy with his supposed gotcha moment on you when he whined and complained ad nauseam that KyKy should've taken Kunkel's minutes. What a complete joke!!!

Classic thread derail and a waste of time.

What is absolutely clear....T boy is intentionally using this site to create friction and stir things up. Look at his usage here. Look at his TIME STAMPS. Look how he basically lives on the fence....ESPECIALLY when posting on politics. Obviously, there are people that GET OFF on provoking a contentious response. That's all we have here.....and it's consistent.

[bobbiemcgee]

UncJoe and Muslim In Dayton seem to be the only hard-core trumpers left. They still believe he won lol

[Strange Brew]

Are you saying I'm the Israel of this board????

Well no. :)

If you are, be as “proportional” as you feel you need...

[paulxu]

These folks probably know how to recognize one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEPeFBiWAAA1PCZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Strange Brew]

Yep. She "won" the popular vote by 450,000. She won California by 2.5 million and New York by 1.5 million. Let's just ignore the rest of the 48 states though, let California and New York elect the Presidents on their own and ignore this below. VERRRRRRRRRRRY productive.

21092109


These folks probably know how to recognize one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GEPeFBiWAAA1PCZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

Well, the mag’s name means “the mirror” so…

You’re hopeless Paul. Yeah, I took six years of German. Most of which was after unification.

Get better.

So look at yourself as a South Carolinian. Grey coat.

Maybe your dumbass could explain the difference between the DDR and the BDR.

[bobbiemcgee]

Babel sez you only need 3 weeks

[GoMuskies]

DeSantis endorsed Trump, huh? Oh well, nightmare election here we come.

[Strange Brew]

Babel sez you only need 3 weeks

I’m surprised you were able to hear through the noise. :)

Jeez, I can do this all day Bobbie.

[bjf123]

Anyone think Biden would be saying the border is not secure if he wasn’t tanking in the polls? You’ve said it’s secure for years, Joe.

https://cincinnatienquirer-oh.newsmemory.com/?publink=1965d5e6c_134d11e


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[paulxu]

DeSantis endorsed Trump, huh? Oh well, nightmare election here we come.

I think he said he had promised to support whoever the Republican nominee was.
But...Trump isn't the nominee yet, although he obviously leads in national polls.
Guess I though he might support Nikki at this stage.

[paulxu]

Here's another great ad for Nikki. All she has to do is say...."I was in South Carolina on Jan 6th."

https://twitter.com/i/status/1748533500117233721

So, Biden beat her to it...although she's using it on the campaign trail.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1749131121114091648

[xubrew]

DeSantis endorsed Trump, huh? Oh well, nightmare election here we come.

Right now I'm having a hard time seeing any other outcome other than Trump winning the election. I just don't think Biden can beat him again, and I don't foresee him not running.

[Xville]

Right now I'm having a hard time seeing any other outcome other than Trump winning the election. I just don't think Biden can beat him again, and I don't foresee him not running.

As with all elections, it will come down to the independent/moderate vote and about 3-4 states. I have a hard time seeing moderates/independents voting for either of these guys. How are we as a country here again? it was bad enough the first time.

[xubrew]

I think that from a political science point of view, the most electable candidates are those who win office in areas that are usually largely for the other party.

Andy Beshear, for example, is the governor of Kentucky. He's a Democrat, but he won office in Kentucky. I think he would walk into the White House if he won the nomination simply because he isn't Biden or Trump.

But, neither side will do this. It will be Trump v Biden, and I think Trump wins this time.

I also think that this is a major collective fail. The fringe has taken over. Most of us are more sane than fringe, but we can't (or won't) band together to stop it. We'll both still vote for "Our" fringe guy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump seems to think he running against Pelosi.

[Uncle Joe]

Trump seems to think he running against Pelosi.

How many eyebrows does she have anyway?

[Uncle Joe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW-c-mP0LYk

[GoMuskies]

Welcome to GOP decision day. We find out today if there's any hope for the anti-Trump portion of the GOP. All signs point to no.

[Xville]

Welcome to GOP decision day. We find out today if there's any hope for the anti-Trump portion of the GOP. All signs point to no.

Yeah seems like a no. The gop is much more into kissing the ring and losing elections nowadays. We need a legitimate third party now more than ever. How the fringe of both parties is taking so much control is mind numbing.

[XU_Lou]

You're in the minority - maybe you're the fringe???

[Xville]

A record number, between 48-49% of Americans, identify as political independents.

1.) This is further proof that the majority are fed up with the two party system and the ones in control of it right now.
2.) Hopefully there will be enough push in the coming years to get our country back to where it should be with common sense solutions and compromise whether that's by a growth of a third party or the dismantling of the current power fringe structure in both parties.

[GoMuskies]

48-49% of the country identify as independents, and yet the two parties manage to scare almost all of them into compliancy voting for one of their candidates in almost every election. So sad it's almost funny.

[xuwillie]

48-49% of the country identify as independents, and yet the two parties manage to scare almost all of them into compliancy voting for one of their candidates in almost every election. So sad it's almost funny.

Didn’t Biden run on brining everyone together and being more in the middle? He clearly lied so why would we trust any other politician at this point.

[XU_Lou]

There are 3 or 4 independent candidates out there. How's that going for you?

[Xville]

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

As bad as Biden is, I’ll guarantee there are way less dems who will be voting for trump than pubs who will vote for Biden.

[GoMuskies]

There are 3 or 4 independent candidates out there. How's that going for you?

Poorly

[xubrew]

Didn’t Biden run on brining everyone together and being more in the middle? He clearly lied so why would we trust any other politician at this point.

He basically ran on not being Trump. And won.

I don't think that will work this time. He's simply not electable. An unknown would do a lot better because what Biden is known for does not work in his favor.

[xubrew]

There are 3 or 4 independent candidates out there. How's that going for you?

The Independents are not together as a party. Hence the term "independent." They have no chance. But that doesn't mean people aren't fed up. It just means that they have no sway.

[xuwillie]

He basically ran on not being Trump. And won.

I don't think that will work this time. He's simply not electable. An unknown would do a lot better because what Biden is known for does not work in his favor.

He also said he'd be more in the middle, voters won't be fooled again. That being said I still believe this election would be a landslide if the republican party threw anyone else out there. I just don't see Tump getting any independent votes so its going to be a lot closer then is should be

[xubrew]

He also said he'd be more in the middle, voters won't be fooled again. That being said I still believe this election would be a landslide if the republican party threw anyone else out there. I just don't see Tump getting any independent votes so its going to be a lot closer then is should be

It would be! Literally ANYONE else!!

And the same is true for the Democrats!! They'd win in a landslide if it was someone other than Biden. But it won't be.

[Xville]

He also said he'd be more in the middle, voters won't be fooled again. That being said I still believe this election would be a landslide if the republican party threw anyone else out there. I just don't see Tump getting any independent votes so its going to be a lot closer then is should be

I don’t think anyone is fooled but I still think he can win because he’s not trump. As you mentioned independents aren’t voting for trump. Trump will of course have his base but I’m not sure who else.

[XU_Lou]

I love when people come on here and spout total nonsense with no data to back them.

Trump leads indies by 10+ percentage points - in head-to-head, or when the other candidates are included:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HHP_Jan24_KeyResults.pdf


Up 6 points in both these:

https://tippinsights.com/will-trumps-rising-support-from-minority-voters-put-him-back-into-the-white-house-i-i-tipp-poll/

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-support-trump-hits-62-gop-primary

Plus, Trump receives record support among groups Biden needs to win re-election. Compared to the final Fox News pre-election matchup in October 2020, Trump has made gains among independents (up 21 points), Blacks (+15), Hispanics (+13), suburban voters (+8), and men (+4).

[Xville]

Polls are wrong more often than not, I don’t take much stock in them, especially when common sense says otherwise and when it’s 10 months out. Hilary was going to win in a landslide and trump was going to win in 20

See New Hampshire indepent voting tonight to have a clue as to how independents actually think about trump.

Oh and by the way it wasn’t out of nowhere. I know it’s difficult for you to read things that aren’t from your narrative, but this was posted earlier:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

Although like I said, I just shrug at polls. They are wrong all the time

[xuwillie]

I love when people come on here and spout total nonsense with no data to back them.

Trump leads indies by 10+ percentage points - in head-to-head, or when the other candidates are included:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/HHP_Jan24_KeyResults.pdf


Up 6 points in both these:

https://tippinsights.com/will-trumps-rising-support-from-minority-voters-put-him-back-into-the-white-house-i-i-tipp-poll/

https://www.foxnews.com/official-polls/fox-news-poll-support-trump-hits-62-gop-primary

Plus, Trump receives record support among groups Biden needs to win re-election. Compared to the final Fox News pre-election matchup in October 2020, Trump has made gains among independents (up 21 points), Blacks (+15), Hispanics (+13), suburban voters (+8), and men (+4).

Long way to go and I see a lot of people staying home instead of voting for Trump. I do expect him the get a huge jump in black vote, less and less are buying into Trump is a racist argument like they where in '20

[XU_Lou]

Polls are wrong more often than not, I don’t take much stock in them, especially when common sense says otherwise and when it’s 10 months out. Hilary was going to win in a landslide and trump was going to win in 20

See New Hampshire indepent voting tonight to have a clue as to how independents actually think about trump.

Oh and by the way it wasn’t out of nowhere. I know it’s difficult for you to read things that aren’t from your narrative, but this was posted earlier:

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112

Although like I said, I just shrug at polls. They are wrong all the time

Yea, I guess polls are always wrong when they go against your prognostications. LOL!!!

In NH - you mean the Dems who switched to Indies to vote for Haley!!! LOL!!!

"In New Hampshire, thousands of Democratic voters have switched party affiliation to Republican or undeclared ahead of the state's primary next week. Some say they switched to support Nikki Haley." https://www.npr.org/2024/01/17/1225253439/thousands-of-democratic-new-hampshire-voters-are-switching-party-affiliation

Politico = opinion = wishful thinking. I provided hard data.

[Xville]

Yea, I guess polls are always wrong when they go against your prognostications. LOL!!!

In NH - you mean the Dems who switched to Indies to vote for Haley!!! LOL!!!

"In New Hampshire, thousands of Democratic voters have switched party affiliation to Republican or undeclared ahead of the state's primary next week. Some say they switched to support Nikki Haley." https://www.npr.org/2024/01/17/1225253439/thousands-of-democratic-new-hampshire-voters-are-switching-party-affiliation

Politico = opinion = wishful thinking. I provided hard data.

Ok so you didn’t read it. There were your polls in there and they weren’t about nh. Your “hard data.” Typical.

Moving on

[Xville]

Long way to go and I see a lot of people staying home instead of voting for Trump. I do expect him the get a huge jump in black vote, less and less are buying into Trump is a racist argument like they where in '20

I’m going to vote but if it’s those two, I’ll be leaving that one blank. Can’t morally vote for either of them

[XU_Lou]

There were your polls in there and they weren’t about nh.

See post #20352. You are aware that there's an electronic trail of you've said, right?



As you mentioned independents aren’t voting for trump.

Lets examine the ridiculousness and wishful thinking of the two polls cited in the article you posted. Your article said:

"It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump."

If that were true, then Trump would be headed for disaster in IA, right? Only problem with that quote is that Trump is up 9-13 points in IA against Biden: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/iowa/

* Looks like pure wishful thinking on the part of Politico and that poll. Or maybe what we're talking about is 43% of a grape, rather than a watermelon.


The article then cites a New York Times/Siena College poll.

Out of this and the three polls I cited, the New York Times/Siena College poll performed the worst in 2020. Biden won 2020 by 4.5 points. In the final New York Times/Siena College poll before the election they said Biden was up 9 points - double what actually happened!! Likely a result of over sampling Dems and Dem-leaning indies, right?

Out of these same polls the final TIPP poll was the closest - they had Biden leading by 4 points. Today, as mentioned in Post #20351, they have Trump up 6 points among Indies.


Oh yea, and BTW, wasn't you who said:


48-49% of the country identify as independents.

But your precious New York Times/Siena College poll states that only 29% of the respondents in their survey considered themselves Indie. Hmmm..., who's right?

[Xuperman]

It would be! Literally ANYONE else!!

And the same is true for the Democrats!! They'd win in a landslide if it was someone other than Biden. But it won't be.

Oh, it most certainly will be. Can you imagine Biden in a 2 hr Presidential debate? My God, there is no way he could avoid total disaster.

There will be zero votes for sleepy Joe because he will not be on the ballot.

[Xville]

See post #20352. You are aware that there's an electronic trail of you've said, right?




Lets examine the ridiculousness and wishful thinking of the two polls cited in the article you posted. Your article said:

"It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump."

If that were true, then Trump would be headed for disaster in IA, right? Only problem with that quote is that Trump is up 9-13 points in IA against Biden: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/iowa/

* Looks like pure wishful thinking on the part of Politico and that poll. Or maybe what we're talking about is 43% of a grape, rather than a watermelon.


The article then cites a New York Times/Siena College poll.

Out of this and the three polls I cited, the New York Times/Siena College poll performed the worst in 2020. Biden won 2020 by 4.5 points. In the final New York Times/Siena College poll before the election they said Biden was up 9 points - double what actually happened!! Likely a result of over sampling Dems and Dem-leaning indies, right?

Out of these same polls the final TIPP poll was the closest - they had Biden leading by 4 points. Today, as mentioned in Post #20351, they have Trump up 6 points among Indies.


Oh yea, and BTW, wasn't you who said:



But your precious New York Times/Siena College poll states that only 29% of the respondents in their survey considered themselves Indie. Hmmm..., who's right?

You seem angry. It’s polling dude, especially ten months out no one is right. The 48-49 is Gallup btw and nationwide. We know You think you’re right. Anyways, moving on

[xuphan]

Oh, it most certainly will be. Can you imagine Biden in a 2 hr Presidential debate? My God, there is no way he could avoid total disaster.

There will be zero votes for sleepy Joe because he will not be on the ballot.

Wish you were right but it seems inevitable that it will be Biden vs Trump. Have to wonder if Comedy Central will pick up the presidential debates at this point. This country is such a laughing stock at the moment. Hope we can survive until 2028.

[GoMuskies]

It's over. Biden vs Trump unless something weird happens (health or courts). I'll vote third party, but if I was in a swing state I might actually have voted Trump. Biden is basically dead.

[XU_Lou]

Trump crushed Nikki tonight. The vast majority of her "voters" were Dems: https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1749980189721784804

Still don't think this looks highly suspicious?: a total of 143K votes were cast in the 2020 R NH primary. This year: it looks like ~313K will be cast.

I have a feeling one extremely frequent poster is going to turn this thread into a Dayton message board.

Someone might want to send him some cheese.... because we all know he'll never move on.

[GoMuskies]

Ol Lou is much like his boy Trump. His political views are shittier than all but one person. For Trump, it's Biden. For Lou, it's our Paul. I'd rather drink a bourbon with Paul, though.

[XU_Lou]

Ol Lou is much like his boy Trump. His political views are shittier than all but one person. For Trump, it's Biden. For Lou, it's our Paul. I'd rather drink a bourbon with Paul, though.

Good for you! You seem like a real pleasant guy to hang around with!

Sounds like you're still smarting after calling you out as the last Steele fan on this board!!

[GoMuskies]

Lol. Yeah, that was you.

[Xville]

Lol. Yeah, that was you.

The only thing worse than lou’s politics might be his knowledge of basketball or maybe his memory? Sucks getting old.

I remember when Lou was going to come back here and rip me a new one when Steele got x to the second weekend lol.

[X-band '01]

I get Haley still trying to stay in the primary for another few weeks. What I don't get is why Dean Phillips thinks it's a good idea to try to win the Democratic nomination. He couldn't even beat Biden when Biden's name wasn't even on the Democratic ballot in New Hampshire. Not because of the perceived cognitive decline, mind you, but because the state of New Hampshire defied the DNC and insisted that their primary be first in the country.

[XU_Lou]

Lol. Yeah, that was you.

Oh, c'mon, Go, you know I had the receipts. :)


All but one of these posts occurred after my last pro-Steele post. That last one is from 2/23/22 - you were still hanging on!! Karma can be a real bitch, fanboy:



"This should be the best season yet under fourth-year coach Travis Steele."

I mean, if it's not it will be the last, so it had better be! I think it will. Poised for a big, big season. Very excited for the next 4 months!


Sort of like the program under his guidance? Hey oh!

(Sorry, I think we're going to be fine this year and Steele will be fine, but the setup was too easy!)


I think we should let this season play out before deciding this is true.


The situation is a mess, but I'm going to wait until the end of the season to really worry about who will be the coach next year. If we make the Tournament, there's no doubt it will be Steele. And we're still in pretty good shape in that regard. That very well may change in the next couple of weeks, but we'll see how it goes. not optimistic, but that's why they play the games.


I voted for Steele as that means we made the Tournament this year.

[Xville]

Something about glass houses

[XU_Lou]

The only thing worse than lou’s politics might be his knowledge of basketball or maybe his memory? Sucks getting old.

I remember when Lou was going to come back here and rip me a new one when Steele got x to the second weekend lol.

Ville - are you still pissed that I exposed the complete nonsense and misinformation you continue to spread about independent voters?

Don't be a Dayton fan. Be a real man and take the L.

[Xville]

Ville - are you still pissed that I exposed the complete nonsense and misinformation you continue to spread about independent voters?

Don't be a Dayton fan. Be a real man and take the L.

again something about glass houses. You didn't expose anything...like i said, you are someone who THINKS they win

[XU_Lou]

again something about glass houses. You didn't expose anything...like i said, you are someone who THINKS they win

You can deny it all you want. The receipts are there.

Here's where you should be posting: https://www.udpride.com/index.php

I'll send you some watermelons...

[Xville]

You can deny it all you want. The receipts are there.

Here's where you should be posting: https://www.udpride.com/index.php

I'll send you some watermelons...

lol only you believe that. Someone who Thinks they win, who else does that remind us of? Take a look at your favorite polls---exit polls out of NH and tell me again how i'm wrong about independents. Trump is in trouble in the general, even against a corpse.

You know what the receipts say? That your credibility was lost a long long time ago when you declared you were going to come on here and expose me after Steele took X to the second weekend.

[XU_Lou]

lol only you believe that. Someone who Thinks they win, who else does that remind us of? Take a look at your favorite polls---exit polls and tell me again how i'm wrong about independents. Trump is in trouble in the general, even against a corpse.

You know what the receipts say? That your credibility was lost a long long time ago when you declared you were going to come on here and expose me after Steele took X to the second weekend.


Keep squawking, keep digging! Bahahahaha:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/president/


At some point you would think even the dullest would recognize the end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

[Xville]

Keep squawking, keep digging! Bahahahaha:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/north-carolina/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting-odds/2024/president/


At some point you would think even the dullest would recognize the end:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

Relying on polls for something that happens in 10-11 months and you THINK you’ve won something. Again, show me how I was wrong about independents or even better yet, show me how I was wrong about steele. BTW shockingly, the polls were wrong last night. Trump was ahead by 20---won by 10. OOPSy. Mr. Bronzer is in trouble.

[paulxu]

The ultimate suck up:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1749985700613632050

[Xville]

The ultimate suck up:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1749985700613632050

geezus. he might as well have jumped up in his lap and called him daddy. Or bent down and fondled him...either one.

[X-band '01]

The ultimate suck up:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1749985700613632050

Scott or Ramaswampy?

[xuphan]

The ultimate suck up:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1749985700613632050

Wonder how much these guys get paid to tow the party line? Looks like Viviek is ready to party hard after this press conference. Where is Ronny DeSantimonoious or whatever Trump called him? I am sure we will see the same from the Democratic Party when they wheel Biden to the podium. Pelosi, AOC, Schumer, Clinton, Obama, etc will all be sucking up as well. Anyone know when the first presidential debate is scheduled for on Comedy Central? Which hospital it will be located at?

[X-band '01]

You realize of course that Comedy Central leans left, right?

Don't think Trump would want any part of a debate moderated by Trevor Noah.

[bobbiemcgee]

South Carolina Lunatic Asylum opened. In 1821.

[paulxu]

Speaking of South Carolina, George Will opined on my state:

https://wapo.st/3Hy3LIe

[Xville]

Speaking of South Carolina, George Will opined on my state:

https://wapo.st/3Hy3LIe

Yep. I said he is the true RINO, but there are too many idiots like Lou out there who will continue to believe that whatever he says is gospel. And to many people like Tim Scott (holy crap what a despicable human being of excrement) out there willing to fondle Trump's undercarriage.

[XU_Lou]

Yep. I said he is the true RINO, but there are too many idiots like Lou out there who will continue to believe that whatever he says is gospel. And to many people like Tim Scott (holy crap what a despicable human being of excrement) out there willing to fondle Trump's undercarriage.

Dude, you seem angry?

Jeesuz, you're more unhinged than a door on a Boeing 737.

And the desperation, good God, it reeks as all hell.

Don't turn this into a Dayton board after losing to X.

[paulxu]

So you have a bi-partisan group of senators trying to craft some legislation to address our border challenges...and then you get this:


Mitt Romney: “I think the border is a very important issue for Donald Trump. And the fact that he would communicate to Republican senators and congresspeople that he doesn't want us to solve the border problem because he wants to blame Biden for it is is really appalling."

When will people understand he does not care for our country, only himself.

[bobbiemcgee]

If the border gets done by CONGRESS who are only ones who can fix it, pubs lose. Meanwhile. Millions pour in.

[bobbiemcgee]

Amy trashed for cutting the razor wire.

[Strange Brew]

If the border gets done by CONGRESS who are only ones who can fix it, pubs lose. Meanwhile. Millions pour in.

Not really, is the Fed Gov’t living up to its responsibility per the Constitution?

Article 4, Section 4, Ville. In case you were wondering. :)

[STL_XUfan]

Not really, is the Fed Gov’t living up to its responsibility per the Constitution?

Article 4, Section 4, Ville. In case you were wondering. :)
Great, our constitutional scholar is back on his bullshit.

[Strange Brew]

Great, our constitutional scholar is back on his bullshit.

Is what I wrote incorrect?

[XU_Lou]

Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


"Since President Biden took office, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has logged more than 5.4 million illegal border crossings, plus at least 1.5 million “gotaways” – that is, border crossers who were detected by CBP technology, but who were never apprehended."


That's a population of more than 36 states!


That sure as hell sounds like an invasion to me.


If STL_XUFAN is so much smarter than the rest of, why doesn't he explain to Strange Brew why he's wrong, instead of being a troll?



https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/biden-border-crisis/#:~:text=Since%20President%20Biden%20took%20office ,but%20who%20were%20never%20apprehended.

[bobbiemcgee]

And on application of the
Legislature

[XU_Lou]

So you have a bi-partisan group of senators trying to craft some legislation to address our border challenges...and then you get this:

When will people understand he does not care for our country, only himself.

Why didn't your side fix this 3 years ago? Moreover, why didn't Biden keep the Trump policies in place?


This bill is a total fraud - do some research once in awhile outside of your silo:

"Senate conservatives are ratcheting up their opposition to an emerging bipartisan deal that would fund Ukraine and address border security, declaring it a “stinking pile of crap” that will allow millions more migrants to cross into the country without resistance.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) argued at a press conference Wednesday that former President Trump was able to drive the number of migrants crossing the border to just more than 500 people a day “without this stinking pile of crap bill.”

He accused Republicans negotiating the legislation of only wanting to provide money for the war in Ukraine and said they will merely provide the semblance of border security reform to achieve that objective.

He said the emerging Senate border deal may give a green light to letting up to 5,000 migrants per day into the country, and it provides an incentive to millions more people to stream across the border. "



"Lee, the chair of the Senate Steering Committee, argued Biden “has more than enough tools at his disposal” to stop the flow of migrants across the U.S.-Mexico border, which now averages 10,000 people daily."


https://www.wfla.com/hill-politics/senate-conservatives-turn-up-opposition-to-stinking-pile-of-crap-border-deal/

[Xville]

Remember Paul:

Whatever trump and his cronies say: gospel

Whatever anyone else says: lies and garbage lol

Troll on lou. What other biased stats and figures can you send our way today from your trump playbook? Everyone is super pumped

[xuphan]

Why didn't your side fix this 3 years ago? Moreover, why didn't Biden keep the Trump policies in place?


This bill is a total fraud - do some research once in awhile outside of your silo:

"Senate conservatives are ratcheting up their opposition to an emerging bipartisan deal that would fund Ukraine and address border security, declaring it a “stinking pile of crap” that will allow millions more migrants to cross into the country without resistance.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) argued at a press conference Wednesday that former President Trump was able to drive the number of migrants crossing the border to just more than 500 people a day “without this stinking pile of crap bill.”

He accused Republicans negotiating the legislation of only wanting to provide money for the war in Ukraine and said they will merely provide the semblance of border security reform to achieve that objective.

He said the emerging Senate border deal may give a green light to letting up to 5,000 migrants per day into the country, and it provides an incentive to millions more people to stream across the border. "



"Lee, the chair of the Senate Steering Committee, argued Biden “has more than enough tools at his disposal” to stop the flow of migrants across the U.S.-Mexico border, which now averages 10,000 people daily."


https://www.wfla.com/hill-politics/senate-conservatives-turn-up-opposition-to-stinking-pile-of-crap-border-deal/

Great Question! Would Bobbie, Paul, Xville like to answer why the Dems haven’t fixed this? The Dems only seem to complain when other states try to fix it on their own or when migrants are sent to Dem controlled cities. Biden has the border, and his age as big issues he faces from the independent. His own lefty fan club is also starting to get disgruntled with him over the Middle East. Never thought Trump with all his legal issues and impeachments would get a second term in the White House but it looks like Joe Biden and the Dems will let that happen.

[Xville]

Great Question! Would Bobbie, Paul, Xville like to answer why the Dems haven’t fixed this? The Dems only seem to complain when other states try to fix it on their own or when migrants are sent to Dem controlled cities. Biden has the border, and his age as big issues he faces from the independent. His own lefty fan club is also starting to get disgruntled with him over the Middle East. Never thought Trump with all his legal issues and impeachments would get a second term in the White House but it looks like Joe Biden and the Dems will let that happen.

Here’s the problem xuphan. It’s never going to be “fixed,” because politicians want it that way. It’s something they can continually blame the other side for. Hell if it were “fixed” trump would be out of “ ideas” his genius idea is building a wall and poof all will be “fixed.”

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden

On another note Cruz’s numbers are baloney as far as what was crossing during trumps presidency


It’s way more complicated than trump will have you believe. My question is.. why is trump and cronies really trying to block this? It’s not that hard to find out the real reason

[noteggs]

One of the primary jobs of an administration is to protect the country. Part of that responsibility is border security. They have plenty of tools to do so and curb the flow.

Yes overall, immigration is a difficult issue. Securing the border is the part of immigration that needs fixed first. We need to know who or what is coming in.

If you have a boat, fix the hole first before other repairs needed. The problem (among others) with the Federal government, they try fix everything before the basic problem itself. Or come up with crap legislation that fixes nothing while spending billions. Bottom line, border security has been huge problem for a while and both Obama and Trump did a hell lot more than Biden has done.

The reason this administration has finally realized the problem is because

1) they are on the wrong side of the polls. Talking about making it political.

2) it’s now hurting blue states and cities.

3) FBI sees it as a huge security issue and has testified as such.

[Xville]

One of the primary jobs of an administration is to protect the country. Part of that responsibility is border security. They have plenty of tools to do so and curb the flow.

Yes overall, immigration is a difficult issue. Securing the border is the part of immigration that needs fixed first. We need to know who or what is coming in.

If you have a boat, fix the hole first before other repairs needed. The problem (among others) with the Federal government, they try fix everything before the basic problem itself. Or come up with crap legislation that fixes nothing while spending billions. Bottom line, border security has been huge problem for a while and both Obama and Trump did a hell lot more than Biden has done.

The reason this administration has finally realized the problem is because

1) they are on the wrong side of the polls. Talking about making it political.

2) it’s now hurting blue states and cities.

3) FBI sees it as a huge security issue and has testified as such.

This is all fair except securing the border itself is not an easy fix no matter what trump says. I do think Biden made it worse and has done a very poor job on this. Problem I have is that the legislation is fine and would improve things but now the “ politics” take over and nothing gets done because people want points or want to deny points. Our wonderful government “at work.”

[Strange Brew]

Here’s the problem xuphan. It’s never going to be “fixed,” because politicians want it that way. It’s something they can continually blame the other side for. Hell if it were “fixed” trump would be out of “ ideas” his genius idea is building a wall and poof all will be “fixed.”

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show-migrants-were-more-likely-be-released-trump-biden

On another note Cruz’s numbers are baloney as far as what was crossing during trumps presidency


It’s way more complicated than trump will have you believe. My question is.. why is trump and cronies really trying to block this? It’s not that hard to find out the real reason

It’s really not however at least some of you learned about the Constitution today..;)

[Xville]

It’s really not however at least some of you learned about the Constitution today..;)

What’s not? Difficult to fix or not hard to find out the reason reason why trump and cronies are now disapproving?

If you don’t think it’s difficult, then you should probably go on over to d.c. and tell them how to fix it because it’s been an ongoing issue for decades.

[Strange Brew]

What’s not? Difficult to fix or not hard to find out the reason reason why trump and cronies are now disapproving?

If you don’t think it’s difficult, then you should probably go on over to d.c. and tell them how to fix it because it’s been an ongoing issue for decades.

Trump again?

I thought you were mad about my proclivity for literature. I can’t keep it straight with you. :)

Oh, and you’re right and people like you continue vote for it.

[Xville]

Trump again?

I thought you were mad about my proclivity for literature. I can’t keep it straight with you. :)

For the record, I really don’t think that applies. Wouldn’t call it an invasion, that’s a pretty big leap and it applies to all fed government not just the presidency

[Strange Brew]

And on application of the
Legislature

Yes, and are they fulfilling the commitment?

[Strange Brew]

For the record, I really don’t think that applies. Wouldn’t call it an invasion, that’s a pretty big leap and it applies to all fed government not just the presidency

?

[Xuperman]

Great Question! Would Bobbie, Paul, Xville like to answer why the Dems haven’t fixed this? The Dems only seem to complain when other states try to fix it on their own or when migrants are sent to Dem controlled cities. Biden has the border, and his age as big issues he faces from the independent. His own lefty fan club is also starting to get disgruntled with him over the Middle East. Never thought Trump with all his legal issues and impeachments would get a second term in the White House but it looks like Joe Biden and the Dems will let that happen.

Answer why O'Biden hasn't "fixed this"?

This has been the plan from DAY 1 and it has been fully implemented. Unfortunatley the IRREPARABLE DAMAGE is ALREADY DONE. There is no going back pre-Biden without MASS DEPORTATIONS and only DJT has the political will to do that.

Shouldn't any reasonable American realise that 6 MILLION undocumented, unvetted, with zero medical screening and ZERO ability to financially support themself illegals, will SEVERELY impact our economic, housing, education and healthcare infrastructure? Not to mention the open turnstile for Fentanyl, human trafficking and the FBI's off the chart concerns, of inevitable TERROR CELLS.

The Obama "Fundamentally Transform America" has been nicely "Fine tuned" under O'Biden....under his supervision, of course.

If the GOP agrees to ANY BORDER legislation this late...after THREE YEARS of this insanity.... it will be political suicide. The Dems can not be handed even the slightest win on this issue before November. The damage is already done and this abhorrent Progressive Left Administration must be forced to own it.

[bobbiemcgee]

It's been 30 years. true about gop. suicide bcuz they don't have the balls to change it. All smoke and mirrors.

[Xuperman]

It's been 30 years. true about gop. suicide bcuz they don't have the balls to change it. All smoke and mirrors.

It would be BRAINS not BALLS, to do anything in a Presidential election year, that gives ANY campaign fuel to the Dems on immigration.

However, I worry that the swamp will cave.

[Strange Brew]

It's been 30 years. true about gop. suicide bcuz they don't have the balls to change it. All smoke and mirrors.

Pretty sure the Rs are nominating balls. If that’s what you’re into.

[Xville]

It would be BRAINS not BALLS, to do anything in a Presidential election year, to give any campaign fuel to the Dems on immigration. I worry that the swamp will cave.

It wouldn’t be political suicide for the republicans, it would be fucking trump and if anyone deserves to be fucked, it’s him.

Look I get it. That many illegal people coming in at once is not the way to go about immigration but let’s chill out on some of the rhetoric. Not everyone that comes over are bad people. Some are just trying to escape the hell from which they came, much like the hell that most if not all our ancestors’ came from. I know in my own lineage they sure did. And the immigration process was a little different back then.

[Strange Brew]

It's been 30 years. true about gop. suicide bcuz they don't have the balls to change it. All smoke and mirrors.

It’s been longer than that.

Simpson/Mazzoli.

And it’s not about balls Marine and you know it.

[Xuperman]

Somehow, someway, there are WAY too many Progressive lemmings. There are at least 3 frequent posters here, that are classic examples.

WTF do people not understand? This is literally an ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVASION of epic proportions. Very little to no documentation or health screenings whatsoever. ZERO ID required for entry. Cartel drug and human trafficking is in a total freeflow.

I have zero understanding how anyone that truely loves this country can vote D....this open border is going to have a massive negative impact. The real damage is just getting started.

[Strange Brew]

Somehow, someway, there are WAY too many Progressive lemmings. There are at least 3 frequent posters here, that are classic examples.

WTF do people not understand? This is literally an ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVASION of epic proportions. Very little to no documentation or health screenings whatsoever. ZERO ID required for entry. Cartel drug and human trafficking is in a total freeflow.

I have zero understanding how anyone that truely loves this country can vote D....this open border is going to have a massive negative impact. The real damage is just getting started.

Sometimes knowing is half the battle…;)

[Uncle Joe]

Just paid $8.09 per gallon at a Costco

[Strange Brew]

Just paid $8.09 per gallon at a Costco

Pesos? :)

If only you had Euros ($1.08).

Let that $1.08 sink in for a minute.

You’re welcome the Marshall Plan and blue jeans!
(Forever in Blue Jeans is a fantastic jam btw). :)

Edit: And providing for your defense for over a century. Not sure it was worth it.

[Xville]

Somehow, someway, there are WAY too many Progressive lemmings. There are at least 3 frequent posters here, that are classic examples.

WTF do people not understand? This is literally an ILLEGAL MIGRANT INVASION of epic proportions. Very little to no documentation or health screenings whatsoever. ZERO ID required for entry. Cartel drug and human trafficking is in a total freeflow.

I have zero understanding how anyone that truely loves this country can vote D....this open border is going to have a massive negative impact. The real damage is just getting started.

Then tell to your boy trump to let the proposed legislation pass if you are in such an uproar. Your anger should be directed there, ya see he doesn’t give an f about you.

Or have a drink or a smoke good gawd

[paulxu]

In all the talk about the number of immigrants at the border, somehow the millions that are turned back never enters the discussion.
We worry about the numbers coming (and we should) but should be smart enough to understand that in Florida they are hurting for workers in many industries; so maybe they should work on legalizing some who want to work, not fly them off to Massachusetts.

And if you really care (and I don't think most of the shouters really do) then you should understand that senators from both parties have been working hard, together, to craft some helpful legislation to address the crisis.
And if someone asks them to stop for political points, and stops the aid to Ukraine to boot....and you support that stop?...you don't really care about immigration.
You're just a puppet to a wanna be dictator. He's suckered you in...just like he did to Graham, and Scott, and DeSantis. Sycophants all.

[Xville]

In all the talk about the number of immigrants at the border, somehow the millions that are turned back never enters the discussion.
We worry about the numbers coming (and we should) but should be smart enough to understand that in Florida they are hurting for workers in many industries; so maybe they should work on legalizing some who want to work, not fly them off to Massachusetts.

And if you really care (and I don't think most of the shouters really do) then you should understand that senators from both parties have been working hard, together, to craft some helpful legislation to address the crisis.
And if someone asks them to stop for political points, and stops the aid to Ukraine to boot....and you support that stop?...you don't really care about immigration.
You're just a puppet to a wanna be dictator. He's suckered you in...just like he did to Graham, and Scott, and DeSantis. Sycophants all.

Nail meet head. This was bipartisan legislation (the way that politics should work) that was compromised on, and then Trump and his cronies got their panties in a bunch becuase they don't really give a shit about the problem.

[Xuperman]

Trump is not the President! The influence he has in the party, has nothing to do with conservatives in Congress insisting on a return to his policies at the border.

The reality is, if the Republicans allow flimsy border legislation to pass in the House now, after Biden spent THREE YEARS creating this disaster, it will be an epic mistake.

It's 10 short months to the election. There is currently a consensus in polling that shows roughly 45% of Americans say that Biden's open border is their TOP concern....45%. That has to be used as a sledgehammer vs every single Dem running. They made it...they must be forced to own it.

The Biden open border is your party's kryptonite. That alone should deliver Republican majorities in both Houses. And The White House IF, O'Biden is the nominee.

[xuwillie]

Then tell to your boy trump to let the proposed legislation pass if you are in such an uproar. Your anger should be directed there, ya see he doesn’t give an f about you.

Or have a drink or a smoke good gawd

Think you’re giving Trump too much credit here. There’s enough republicans that would easily go against him if a good bill was brought to the table. We can’t keep funding Ukraine forever as we have blown a gasket here money wise.

[paulxu]

If y'all don't want the bi-partisan legislation to pass because it's "too weak" or some such nonsense, or...you don't want to give Biden any credit and rather wait for your guy to be in the White House...can you please stop bitching about the border and the "invasion" until after the election?

[XU_Lou]

Trump is not the President! The influence he has in the party, has nothing to do with conservatives in Congress insisting on a return to his policies at the border.

The reality is, if the Republicans allow flimsy border legislation to pass in the House now, after Biden spent THREE YEARS creating this disaster, it will be an epic mistake.

It's 10 short months to the election. There is currently a consensus in polling that shows roughly 45% of Americans say that Biden's open border is their TOP concern....45%. That has to be used as a sledgehammer vs every single Dem running. They made it...they must be forced to own it.

The Biden open border is your party's kryptonite. That alone should deliver Republican majorities in both Houses. And The White House IF, O'Biden is the nominee.

Freaking nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bold/font for more emphasis...

[XU_Lou]

Think you’re giving Trump too much credit here. There’s enough republicans that would easily go against him if a good bill was brought to the table. We can’t keep funding Ukraine forever as we have blown a gasket here money wise.

Again, Willie nails it as well!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Just paid $8.09 per gallon at a Costco
Where? On the moon?

[X-man]

Where? On the moon?

I'm guessing it was for EVOO.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump told republicans NOT to fix the border.

[GoMuskies]

I'm supposed to vote for the guy who has decided his administration will not even review new applications for LNG export terminals? Nope.

[XU_Lou]

There's battle lines being drawn...

Well Gov. Abbott now has a clearer map on where to send the illegal invaders. In addition to current targets, I would send them to Detroit, Madison, Milwaukee, Philly, Minneapolis, Asheville, Durham, Raleigh, Chapel Hill and Portland, ME.

I would also target Louisville - specifically, the Highlands area.

The liberal areas that voted for this crap must share in the cost and pain.

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F21da9cc b-a09a-4ed0-9fa9-fd07dfd84eec.heic

[Xuperman]

Trump told republicans NOT to fix the border.

That's because the case against this Administration, and it's party, will be prosecuted by the American people in 10 months. The crime scene at the border needs to remain untouched or altered. The voters must be allowed to consider the results of all 4 years of Democrat policy there.

[xuwillie]

That's because the case against this Administration, and its party, will be prosecuted by the American people in 10 months. The crime scene at the border needs to remain untouched or altered. The voters must be allowed to consider the results of all 4 years of Democrat policy there.al


Although I hate that argument voters for the most part are pretty dumb and if this gets fixed for 2 months out of 48 then they’ll ignore the shit show that has been going on the past 46 months.

[Xville]

That's because the case against this Administration, and it's party, will be prosecuted by the American people in 10 months. The crime scene at the border needs to remain untouched or altered. The voters must be allowed to consider the results of all 4 years of Democrat policy there.

Hate to break it to you, but trump isn’t winning the election. I don’t want Biden to win it either, but he will. It’s very evident trump has his base and nothing else. Look at the two primary number, it will be the same across the whole nation.

What you are inferring is extremely un-American. Not passing something just because it looks bad for trump, that’s effed up… the thing you have been ranting out about for twenty four hours. Can’t have it both ways… if you are going to complain about it, then complain about it after the election since you don’t really want it fixed

[Xville]

Think you’re giving Trump too much credit here. There’s enough republicans that would easily go against him if a good bill was brought to the table. We can’t keep funding Ukraine forever as we have blown a gasket here money wise.

We shall see. The margins are so slim in congress that just a couple of trump bros voting against will keep new legislation from passing.

Paul is correct ( for once), the ones shouting for fixes don’t really want it fixed, just want something to complain about. Congress was working together, the way politics are supposed to work.

[bjf123]

Remember when Trump wanted to built back up the strategic petroleum reserve at something less than $20/barrel? The Dems blocked it purely for political reasons. They didn’t want to give Trump a big win leading up to the election. Instead, how much did Biden(i.e. the taxpayers) pay when he added to it?

Granted, the invasion at the southern border is more serious, if you think the parties don’t put their candidate ahead of the good of the country, you’re stupid.


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[Xville]

Remember when Trump wanted to built back up the strategic petroleum reserve at something less than $20/barrel? The Dems blocked it purely for political reasons. They didn’t want to give Trump a big win leading up to the election. Instead, how much did Biden(i.e. the taxpayers) pay when he added to it?

Granted, the invasion at the southern border is more serious, if you think the parties don’t put their candidate ahead of the good of the country, you’re stupid.


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yeah of course they do. they don't care about any of us, and if anyone thinks they do, then you're not paying attention. all they care about is being and staying elected.

[bobbiemcgee]

Remember when Trump wanted to built back up the strategic petroleum reserve at something less than $20/barrel? The Dems blocked it purely for political reasons. They didn’t want to give Trump a big win leading up to the election. Instead, how much did Biden(i.e. the taxpayers) pay when he added to it?

Granted, the invasion at the southern border is more serious, if you think the parties don’t put their candidate ahead of the good of the country, you’re stupid.


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The SPR was 695 when he came in and 638 when he left. Not empty as he claims.

[Smails]

yeah of course they do. they don't care about any of us, and if anyone thinks they do, then you're not paying attention. all they care about is being and staying elected.

This is where I fall on all of this.

We have people on this board that act like being a self-serving, power hungry politician is a Donald Trump issue. These are the same people that for years wouldn't even admit there was a border crisis...and now all of the sudden in an election cycle, Biden and his band of morons are going to sweep in and save the border. The sanctimony of the 'how dare Donald Trump get involved in this discussion" crowd is hilarious.

[XU_Lou]

This is where I fall on all of this.

We have people on this board that act like being a self-serving, power hungry politician is a Donald Trump issue. These are the same people that for years wouldn't even admit there was a border crisis...and now all of the sudden in an election cycle, Biden and his band of morons are going to sweep in and save the border. The sanctimony of the 'how dare Donald Trump get involved in this discussion" crowd is hilarious.

Bingo!

[paulxu]

Who on this board has said there is no border crisis?

[XU_Lou]

I get it with people like Paul, but it amazes me that RINOs (libs) fall for Democrat trickery EVERY TIME.

Then, those same people turnaround and demand that we continue to vote for more loser uniparty RINOs - and expect different outcomes.



wait for it... 3.2.1..: Trump! blah blah blah!

[Xville]

This is where I fall on all of this.

We have people on this board that act like being a self-serving, power hungry politician is a Donald Trump issue. These are the same people that for years wouldn't even admit there was a border crisis...and now all of the sudden in an election cycle, Biden and his band of morons are going to sweep in and save the border. The sanctimony of the 'how dare Donald Trump get involved in this discussion" crowd is hilarious.

Lets say all of this is true. Nothing changes for the fact that Trump and his cronies are effing this up. You can do the "yeah but" game all day long. The fact remains, he and his buddies are effing something up for their own political gain. Period. We as a people should expect more from our elected officials regardless of what side of the aisle you're on. Call out the bs whne you see it and demand more. This is BS.

[Xville]

I get it with people like Paul, but it amazes me that RINOs (libs) fall for Democrat trickery EVERY TIME.

Then, those same people turnaround and demand that we continue to vote for more loser uniparty RINOs - and expect different outcomes.



wait for it... 3.2.1..: Trump! blah blah blah!

Explain democrat trickery? This ought to be good.

Different outcomes is what has happened for the last 15 years and look where we are. The world was not perfect, but it was a hell of a lot better before the extremes of both parties came to have some influential power and people like yourself fell for it. Yeah that includes your Savior.

Please explain how you think Trump is anywhere near a Republican? He spends money like a democrat, he tries to be a culture warrior like a democrat, he's pro-choice like a democrat, i could go on and on and on.

What are his actual policies? He doesn't have any. He's going to build a wall, great. Then what? Maybe he can do the tariffs again and put this country into further debt and raise inflation even more. Maybe just keep kicking SSN and Medicare down the road so the country can just go bankrupt. disaster.

[XU_Lou]

sir, we are over the target

[Xville]

sir, we are over the target

how about you answer the questions, or are you just like your boy and can't answer them without your 2-3 talking points and insulting people? My guess because you know as well as I there are no real policies or anything resembling conservative or republican about him.

[XU_Lou]

Who on this board has said there is no border crisis?

So, you're admitting there's a problem, then?

So why did you willingly vote for the guy when you knew he was going to invite and admit the entire world to come across our border:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Yh4OyQ2xw

[XU_Lou]

Who on this board has said there is no border crisis?

Part 2:

Again, why did you willingly vote for the guy when you knew he was going to invite and admit the entire world to come across our border. This is from another debate:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

[XU_Lou]

Who on this board has said there is no border crisis?

Part 3:

You knowingly voted for this:

"Hours ahead of President Biden’s inauguration, incoming White House officials released more details of his ambitious legislative proposals on immigration reform, including a pathway to U.S. citizenship for an estimated 11 million people and a series of executive actions, among them an immediate stop to construction of fencing along the southern border."


But wait, how many times have we been told on this board that Trump was just as bad with illegals. Except:

"The incoming administration described its package as a common-sense approach to modernizing and restoring humanity to the immigration system after four years of President Trump’s systematic crackdown on both legal and illegal immigration."

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-20/biden-administration-releases-bill-establishing-pathway-to-citizenship-for-11-million-undocumented-immigrants


According to Pew:

"Since President Joe Biden took office in January 2021, his administration has acted on a number of fronts to reverse Trump-era restrictions on immigration to the United States. The steps include plans to boost refugee admissions, preserving deportation relief for unauthorized immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and not enforcing the “public charge” rule that denies green cards to immigrants who might use public benefits like Medicaid."

"Biden’s biggest immigration proposal to date would allow more new immigrants into the U.S. while giving millions of unauthorized immigrants who are already in the country a pathway to legal status."

"Biden’s proposal would expand access to family-based green cards in a variety of ways, such as by increasing per-country caps and clearing application backlogs. Today, family-based immigration – referred to by some as “chain migration” – is the most common way people gain green cards, in recent years accounting for about two-thirds of the more than 1 million people who receive green cards annually."

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/01/11/key-facts-about-u-s-immigration-policies-and-bidens-proposed-changes/


Every immigration policy that Biden has implemented has invited more and more illegals to come over our border.

YOU VOTED FOR THIS

[bobbiemcgee]

Congress can fix it. They just don't want to. I voted against a maniac.

[Xville]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-carroll-wrap-defamation-trial-110428396.html

It’s voting against this.

This is the person you want… someone who raped someone, lied about it. Paid off a porn star; lied about it. No human decency, no morals, no ethics and democratic ideals. Etc etc etc

[paulxu]

I won't respond to trolls, but I note there hasn't been any poster pointed out that said the border wasn't a crisis.

The entire immigration/border situation has been in crisis for years. People crossing back and forth to pick our vegetables, tens of thousands fleeing oppression, lack of intake/court administration to process legitimate asylum claims. It's a crisis all right. Was happy to see bi-partisan activity to try and address at least some of the problems. Johnson just shot that down saying anything from the Senate DOA in the house. He should go help his pastor who turned out to be the typical holier-than-thou grifter.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-carroll-wrap-defamation-trial-110428396.html

It’s voting against this.

This is the person you want… someone who raped someone, lied about it. Paid off a porn star; lied about it. No human decency, no morals, no ethics and democratic ideals. Etc etc etc
Another Bankruptcy?

[XU_Lou]

I won't respond to trolls, but I note there hasn't been any poster pointed out that said the border wasn't a crisis.

The entire immigration/border situation has been in crisis for years. People crossing back and forth to pick our vegetables, tens of thousands fleeing oppression, lack of intake/court administration to process legitimate asylum claims. It's a crisis all right. Was happy to see bi-partisan activity to try and address at least some of the problems. Johnson just shot that down saying anything from the Senate DOA in the house. He should go help his pastor who turned out to be the typical holier-than-thou grifter.

Why, because you just got called out for being the complete fraud you are?

You voted for this crap, and now you're whining b/c the Rs won't bail you out with a crap bill that won't solve shit.

I'm sorry if you can't handle reality, but that's your freaking problem.

You're fucking half-dead president is trying to cut razor wire on a solution that's already working at Eagle Pass. You really want us to believe that you commie Dems want to solve the problem?

[Xville]

Shady Lou can’t answer simple questions but expects others too. Troll on troll boy

[Xuperman]

Who on this board has said there is no border crisis?

Yeah, you would have to be a complete moron to deny there is no border crisis on this board.....or any other for that matter.

But the psychotic progressive leftists RUNNING this country have proudly proclaimed....FOR THREE YEARS....that there is NO crisis and the border is secure. The entire Democrat party refuses to utter the word "crisis".

Mayorkas is basically a constitutional traitor that is at the very top of the open border "crisis" deniers. THAT guy needs to be hung out to dry.

[Xuperman]

This is where I fall on all of this.

We have people on this board that act like being a self-serving, power hungry politician is a Donald Trump issue. These are the same people that for years wouldn't even admit there was a border crisis...and now all of the sudden in an election cycle, Biden and his band of morons are going to sweep in and save the border. The sanctimony of the 'how dare Donald Trump get involved in this discussion" crowd is hilarious.

This is a very insightful post. Pay attention kids.

[Xuperman]

It seems that someone is using master "trolling tactics" to illicit some contentious response to feed his habit.

I will gladly post some non-progressive realities that will serve nicely as the requested "answers".

1) Democrat " trickery" is on full display, as we speak, with this slack ass border proposal. There is basically zero $$$ for border enforcement, only more cash to process MORE ILLEGALS quickly. If handed this worthless legislation, every Dem running in the fall will foam at the mouth about "how they are clamping down on the border crisis".

2) Some very good Trump policies are MAX BORDER security, MAX DOMESTIC energy production, MAX CRIME deterrence w/ MAX support of ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, MAX push for a return to a MERIT BASED culture, thus TOTAL ANTI-DEI...especially in our MILITARY. That's just the some of the entree on the menu.

Any push back here? Will the real shady Troll "Please stand up"?

:popcorn:

[paulxu]

The entire Democrat party refuses to utter the word "crisis".


President Joe Biden intensified his rhetoric on the issue of border security Friday, telling lawmakers in a late-day statement that he was ready to take tough action on immigration if Congress can reach a deal.

Using rare strong language, President Biden characterized the situation at the border as a "crisis," and said if Congress passed the bill, he would "shut down the border" the same day he signed it into law.

https://www.kxlh.com/speaker-johnson-threatens-immigration-bill-could-be-dead-on-arrival

Google can be your friend too.

[Xuperman]

https://www.kxlh.com/speaker-johnson-threatens-immigration-bill-could-be-dead-on-arrival

Google can be your friend too.

You posted a link from YESTERDAY? YESTERDAY?

Are you people politically brain dead? Fact, this Administration, with the support of the ENTIRE DEMOCRAT party, has hammered home a NO CRISIS and secure border narrative for 3 YEARS!

[XU_Lou]

The truth must be told when the commie scum that run our country lies incessantly:


THE ‘RAPE’.

During the latest episode of this trial, Carroll admitted she wasn’t doing very well financially and needed to find a way to sell more books. The testimony appears to be the basis for the very first claim she ever made, in New York magazine’s The Cut, in the summer of 2019.

Far from a compelling claim, the 80-year-old writer initially laid out the story that her supposed rape occurred either in 1994, before altering the day to be “in the fall of 1995 or the spring of 1996.” She couldn’t remember the specifics. What she did remember was that she was wearing a “Donna Karan coatdress and high heels but not a coat.” She later refused to produce said coat for DNA testing despite admitting to still owning it, describing it as “unworn and unlaundered since that evening.” It later came to light that the coatdress was not made in 1994 or 1995.

It didn’t matter to Carroll, who has accused multiple men of sexually assaulting or raping her throughout her life, including a babysitter’s boyfriend, a dentist, a camp counselor, an unnamed college date, an unnamed boss, and CBS chief executive Les Moonves.

Carroll also appeared to remember specifics such as the emptiness of the Bergdorf Goodman department store in the early evening – a detail she called “inconceivable” – as well as admitting that it was her who wanted to sexually harrass Trump originally because she wanted a “funny story to tell” about getting the then-infamous New York City developer to put on women’s lingerie.

Upon voluntarily entering a dressing room which she claims would “usually [be] locked until a client wants to try something on,” she claims Trump “unzips his pants, and, forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”

After apparently struggling free, she says, “I don’t remember if any person or attendant is now in the lingerie department. I don’t remember if I run for the elevator or if I take the slow ride down on the escalator. As soon as I land on the main floor, I run through the store and out the door — I don’t recall which door — and find myself outside on Fifth Avenue.”

The story itself beggars belief. If a celebrity had tried to rape me in a public place, I think the first thing I might have done was tell someone. In the words of her own friends, E. Jean Carroll is an “attention-seeker.” It is already difficult to imagine such a scenario unfolding without immediate consequences for the assailant, let alone when the victim is a nationally published attention-seeker.

LAW & ORDER.

But even if your sympathies still lay with Carroll, consider this. Carroll – a self-declared Law and Order TV show fan – first made her allegations against Trump in a 2019 book, just a few years after an episode of the show saw characters discuss a role-played rape in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room.

CNN reported in 2019 that Carroll was “an avid Law & Order franchise fan,” to which Carroll – an ostensibly damaged rape victim responded of the “coincidence”: “It tickled me to death.” She called it “a great, huge coincidence, but… a magnificent one.”

Carroll’s entire character is one of bizarre sexual thoughts, antics, and actions. Another piece of evidence the judge refused to allow was that Carroll named her cat “Vagina” and posted repeatedly about anal sex, celebrity fantasies, and pornography.

In fact, in 2012, Trump himself was the subject of one of these fantasies Carroll shared on her Facebook page: “Would you have sex with Donald Trump for $17,000?” before going on to suggest that in her fantasy scenario, Trump may not be able to speak. An odd thing to post for someone who alleges that the same man raped her less than two decades prior.


It goes on and on: https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis-post/kassam-the-trump-carroll-case-is-blatantly-the-greatest-miscarriage-of-justice-in-modern-american-history/

[XU_Lou]

("When" is more likely than "If") the attacks come, the blame will squarely be on Biden and the Democrats. Biden has committed treason.


This letter was written by ex-FBI Intel guys, and recently sent to Congress:


“The threat we call out today is new and unfamiliar,” they wrote. “In its modern history the U.S. has never suffered an invasion of the homeland, and, yet, one is unfolding now.”

“Military aged men from across the globe, many from countries or regions not friendly to the United States, are landing in waves on our soil by the thousands – not by splashing ashore from a ship or parachuting from a plane but rather by foot across a border that has been accurately advertised around the world as largely unprotected with ready access granted,” they wrote.

“It would be difficult to overstate the danger represented by the presence inside our borders of what is comparatively a multi-division army of young single adult males from hostile nations and regions whose background, intent, or allegiance is completely unknown,” they stated. “They include individuals encountered by border officials and then possibly released into the country, along with the shockingly high estimate of ‘gotaways’ — meaning those who have entered and evaded apprehension.”

“There have been over 1.7 million gotaways reported to have illegally entered and evaded capture since Biden’s been in office, the majority of whom are military age men,” The Center Square reports. “They are included in the more than 10 million total illegal border crossers reported to have entered the country from Jan. 1, 2021, to Sept. 30, 2023.”

“In light of such a daunting, unprecedented penetration by uninvited foreign actors, it is reasonable to assert that the country possesses dramatically diminished national security at this time,” the former FBI directors noted. “The nation’s military and laws and other natural protective barriers that have provided traditional security in the past have been thoroughly circumvented over the past three years.”

They stressed that a terrorist attack on American soil is now “a distinct possibility,” especially considering the savage attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas terrorists on October 7.

“Those of us who have fought terrorism know that, historically, successful terror attacks invite mimicry,” they told the congressional leaders. “We know, as well, that terror leaders intentionally cultivate throngs of young men possessing a certain easily-manipulated personality type to carry out atrocities.”

“It is stark to say so,” they continued, “but having a large number of young males now within our borders who could begin attacking gatherings of unarmed citizens, in imitation of 10/7 and at the behest of a foreign terror group, must be considered a distinct possibility.”

“We would be remiss not to call out this potentially grave threat in the most direct terms,” they added. “The warning lights are blinking.”



https://twitter.com/BillAckman/status/1750822431155998825

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2024/01/26/retired-fbi-intel-experts-deliver-congress-alarming-and-perilous-warning-but-not-everyones-buying-it-1431304/

[Xville]

It seems that someone is using master "trolling tactics" to illicit some contentious response to feed his habit.

I will gladly post some non-progressive realities that will serve nicely as the requested "answers".

1) Democrat " trickery" is on full display, as we speak, with this slack ass border proposal. There is basically zero $$$ for border enforcement, only more cash to process MORE ILLEGALS quickly. If handed this worthless legislation, every Dem running in the fall will foam at the mouth about "how they are clamping down on the border crisis".

2) Some very good Trump policies are MAX BORDER security, MAX DOMESTIC energy production, MAX CRIME deterrence w/ MAX support of ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, MAX push for a return to a MERIT BASED culture, thus TOTAL ANTI-DEI...especially in our MILITARY. That's just the some of the entree on the menu.

Any push back here? Will the real shady Troll "Please stand up"?

:popcorn:

I didn’t ask you. There is so much factually wrong with your first answer, It doesn’t even deserve a response. As for the second…What is push for max border security? What is he going to do? He’s said he will build a wall. That’s it. Ok next. Max crime deterrence? With what? Next. Return to a merit based culture—what does this even mean?

I’ll give you domestic production.. cheaper gas, yay. That will be offset by the inflation he will exacerbate by the way he loves to spend spend spend. It’s the economy, stupid.

Tell your buddy to answer the question. He has no problem flooding the board with paragraphs of complete nonsense. He should have no problem answering a few simple questions. He will probably have to send a link, since he can’t think for himself. Believes that by doing that, it makes it true no matter how nonsensical it is. Defending a convicted rape and lithe lies behind it. That’s a new low, even for him.

[STL_XUfan]

Bookmark Jan 21st!
We never got you review of Bettlejuice. On a scale of 1-10, how much did the song Dead Mom make you want to grope your significant other?

[xuphan]

Still waiting for someone on here to sell me on either Biden or Trump as a presidential candidate in 2024. Trump and Biden are like dumb and dumber. They both are crappy candidates for a long list of reasons. Yet, most if not all the people on here seem to want to argue about which one is dumber. Newsflash, that still makes the other one dumb. Not much of a victory or selling point there.

Come on Haley! Pull out some sort of miracle and save this country from two old men.

[Xville]

Still waiting for someone on here to sell me on either Biden or Trump as a presidential candidate in 2024. Trump and Biden are like dumb and dumber. They both are crappy candidates for a long list of reasons. Yet, most if not all the people on here seem to want to argue about which one is dumber. Newsflash, that still makes the other one dumb. Not much of a victory or selling point there.

Come on Haley! Pull out some sort of miracle and save this country from two old men.

Both sides are dumb and the worst possible candidate either side could come up with unless it was like aoc vs Greene. That could possibly be worse.

Regardless, you’re right, it’s a sad state of affairs.

Manchin said he might run. He’d be great but much like any third party candidate has no chance of winning. Too much money and power in the two party system sadly.

[XU_Lou]

From Michael Shellenberger - a Democrat BTW:

"BOMBGATE: This Video Proves FBI Is Covering Up The Truth About The January 6 “Bomb”

We must be blunt: the FBI is a dangerous, politicized, and rogue agency that must be brought to heel"


"And what was the worst crime? The attempted assassination of Vice President-elect Kamala Harris while she was at the Democratic National Committee.

In other words, while the FBI had cell phone data for the January 6 protesters, none of whom tried to kill anyone, it doesn’t have the cell phone data for the one person who did.

And while the FBI had 14,000 hours of high-quality surveillance video for the January 6 protesters, it somehow does not have any video of the suspect actually leaving the bomb. Nor does it have high-quality video, including from the best angles, of the suspect.

That's an unbelievable coincidence.

And it gets worse.

Last year, the person who was in charge of the FBI investigation, the head of the Washington Field Office, admitted to Rep. Thomas Massie that the Vice President’s life was never at risk.

Massie: Do you think it was technically possible for a kitchen timer –

Steven D'Antuono: No, no.

Massie: — that has 1-hour duration —

D'Antuono: No.

Massie: — to detonate a bomb 17 hours later?

D'Antuono: No, I don't. And I saw the same kitchen timer as you. I agree. I don't know when they were supposed to go off. Maybe they weren't supposed to go off. We can't — we don't know. We honestly don't know…

Neither the FBI nor the DOJ ever announced that they had changed their mind about the bomb. Nor had they, or Harris, or anyone else, ever said publicly that Harris was at the DNC until late 2021, which is shocking since had January 6 protesters truly tried to kill the Vice President, an ambitious politician in her right mind would have milked that fact to maximum effect for years to come. In the case of the Vice President, it’s the kind of thing that might have earned her the presidency.

Enough is enough..."


https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1750976257867784453?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1750976257867784453%7Ctwgr% 5Ea6ce34b0f36c1a647c0d1ef1c9434302a864bc61%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independentsentinel.com% 2Freport-feds-plan-to-make-trucker-convoy-another-insurrection%2F

https://revolver.news/2024/01/secret-service-foreknowledge-or-criminal-negligence-damning-new-evidence-surfaces-fbi-january-6-pipe-bomb-story/

[Xville]

“We need to remember what normal feels like.” —Nikki

No shit. I’ll take what the world was like 15 years ago. I think most people would. The U.S. has gone off the rails the last 15 years, we should all demand it get back to normal.

[xuwillie]

“We need to remember what normal feels like.” —Nikki

No shit. I’ll take what the world was like 15 years ago. I think most people would. The U.S. has gone off the rails the last 15 years, we should all demand it get back to normal.


We are not alone look at Canada, England, France etc. All a mess

[STL_XUfan]

We are not alone look at Canada, England, France etc. All a mess
With the internet all of the fringe groups can now find each other and amplify their stupidity in an outsized way. Look no further than the dumbest conspiracy theory of Q-Annon spreading like wild fire.

It also doesn't help that 24 hour news is a beast that constantly needs to be fed. It leads to a rumor of one idiot eating a tide pod to become a weeks long national news story. Everything has to be covered as though it is a crisis or we will not tune in.

[paulxu]

I'm pretty sure this won't help us:


Privately, Trump has discussed with advisers the possibility of imposing a flat 60 percent tariff on all Chinese imports, according to three people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to relay private conversations.

[Xville]

I'm pretty sure this won't help us:

Trump, much like his followers, don’t understand how the economy works. They’ll just say something really stupid like “he’s so tough on China.”

[XU_Lou]

I'm pretty sure this won't help us:

No quotes, no names.

Same bulllshit Dem trickery pulled by WaPo over last 8 years.

[Xville]

No quotes, no names.

Same bulllshit Dem trickery pulled by WaPo over last 8 years.

Such trickery considering your savior has done it before. He’s a moron

All tariffs do is f American businesses and in turn f all of us but ya know, maga

[94GRAD]

We never got you review of Bettlejuice. On a scale of 1-10, how much did the song Dead Mom make you want to grope your significant other?

BeetleJuice was one of the better plays this season. Would recommend it for sure. As for Dead Mom, that's a don't ask, don't tell question.

[XU_Lou]

It's bad enough that Biden's feckless foreign policy has resulted in hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians to be slaughtered for no reason, now it's getting US troops killed.

[Xville]

For those who want to make shit up ( like Cruz and trump). Here’s the truth from one of the actual writers of the legislation:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-senator-flat-out-accuses-his-republican-colleagues-of-tanking-border-deal-because-its-a-presidential-election-year/

[Xville]

Another republican senator speaks out against Trump's idiocy:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4432079-thom-tillis-immoral-kill-border-deal-trump/

[xuphan]

Another republican senator speaks out against Trump's idiocy:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4432079-thom-tillis-immoral-kill-border-deal-trump/

Sounds like border isn’t the only thing broken in this country.

[noteggs]

For those who want to make shit up ( like Cruz and trump). Here’s the truth from one of the actual writers of the legislation:

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-senator-flat-out-accuses-his-republican-colleagues-of-tanking-border-deal-because-its-a-presidential-election-year/

I’ll take Lankford’s word for now…

To be fair tho, even legacy media is describing the deal close to what some repubs have highlighted.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-deal-biden-senate-us-mexico-border-bill/

Trump can shut the F up about it. Not doing himself any favors - as usual.

[Muskie in dayton]

If it’s democrat, it’s bad. If it’s republican, it’s bad. If it’s bipartisan, it’s twice as bad.

[Muskie in dayton]

Happy fake racism day, for those who celebrate.

[XU_Lou]

I hate to tell you all that I told you so, but...


"But a growing chorus of climate scientists are saying the temperature readings are faulty and that the trillions of dollars pouring in are based on a problem that doesn’t exist.

More than 90 percent of NOAA’s temperature monitoring stations have a heat bias, according to Anthony Watts, a meteorologist, senior fellow for environment and climate at The Heartland Institute, author of climate website Watts Up With That, and director of a study that examined NOAA’s climate stations."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/trillions-spent-on-climate-change-rely-on-inaccurate-temperature-readings-and-faulty-modeling-5575177?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily

[XU_Lou]

If it’s democrat, it’s bad. If it’s republican, it’s bad. If it’s bipartisan, it’s twice as bad.

Did you mean buy-partisan?


Obviously the negotiations are in flux, but the deal reported on last week was total crap - it didn't fix anything, other than giving a Biden a win - not the country, but Biden. Loser RINOs tried to torpedo their own party and the country. Why?

Ukraine anyone?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-border-bill-allow-5000-migrants-day-before-title-42-limit-starts


From PBS: "Biden is referencing an expulsion authority being negotiated by the lawmakers that would automatically kick in on days when illegal border crossings reached more than 5,000 over a five-day average across the Southern border, which is currently seeing as many as 10,000 crossings per day. The authority shuts down asylum screenings for those who cross illegally. Migrants could still apply at ports of entry until crossings dipped below 3,750 per day. But these are estimates, the final tally hasn’t been ironed out."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/president-biden-says-hell-shut-the-u-s-mexico-border-if-given-the-ability-what-does-that-mean


Reuters reported the 5000 number as well: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-backs-senate-border-deal-vows-shut-down-border-when-overwhelmed-2024-01-27/


Why isn't it zero? It should be zero. Why would you allow anyone to come into our country illegally? As usual, Trump is 100% right on this.



Maybe the "writers" of the legislation was lying?

[Xuperman]

I hate to tell you all that I told you so, but...


"But a growing chorus of climate scientists are saying the temperature readings are faulty and that the trillions of dollars pouring in are based on a problem that doesn’t exist.

More than 90 percent of NOAA’s temperature monitoring stations have a heat bias, according to Anthony Watts, a meteorologist, senior fellow for environment and climate at The Heartland Institute, author of climate website Watts Up With That, and director of a study that examined NOAA’s climate stations."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/trillions-spent-on-climate-change-rely-on-inaccurate-temperature-readings-and-faulty-modeling-5575177?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily

Add this....

It looks like The House is ready to launch an investigation into CCP backed entities funneling Millions to the "Green" movement in our country.

This IS happening as we speak. To what extent is yet to be determined. The O'Biden administration and the progressive left will only view this as a "nothing to see here" situation....funding it's allies and propaganda in it's unrelenting war on fossil fuels.

China wins BIG in 2 ways here.
1- China is estimated to produce over 80% of the materials needed for renewable energy technology. All while building unregulated COAL fired power plants at break neck speed.

2- It insures that, as long as the Radical Left here can remain in power, the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda continues. The US will increasingly spend it's way into this unsustainable GREEN oblivion.

We are in a Cold War with China.

[bjf123]

We are in a Cold War with China.

And we’re losing.


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[paulxu]

The Wall Street Journal nails it:

https://wallstreetjournal-ny.newsmemory.com/?publink=1d50d4d62_134d126

[Xville]

I’ll take Lankford’s word for now…

To be fair tho, even legacy media is describing the deal close to what some repubs have highlighted.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigration-deal-biden-senate-us-mexico-border-bill/

Trump can shut the F up about it. Not doing himself any favors - as usual.

Some more information here.

https://www.news9.com/story/65b862c76991a90648b944e4/senator-lankford-responds-to-criticism-on-bipartisan-border-reform-deal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republicans-poised-to-torpedo-gop-s-best-chance-in-years-to-pass-border-bill/ar-BB1htEbB

My thought on it is, who has the motivation to lie in this case? I believe that we can all agree on the group of people that do. Lankford isn't up for reelection for 4 years. He's just trying to fix the problem. Is it ever going to be perfect? No, but this is a significant step in the right direction...funny that quite a bit of the parts of legislation is what Trump was pushing for while in office.

Frankly, if this doesn't get done, it's another black mark against Trump and his cronies to moderate voters. He's probably screwed either way, but him and his boys should be used to losing by now since that's all they have done lately.

[XU_Lou]

Gee wiz, even the link above indicates that this shit bill will still allow illegals to flow over the border. Amazing how the loser RINOs just don't get it. This doesn't fix anything.

This is an easy vote - hell no:

"Lankford says that's what the legislation will do by changing asylum standards, speeding up the hearing process, doubling deportation flights, expediting work permits, and allowing the president to shut down the border between ports of entry when illegal crossings hit a high level."

[Xville]

As I stated, is a bill ever going to be perfect, or what all one side wants? No. This fixes some current issues, ones in which both sides have wanted to fix for over a decade now. Both sides give some concessions for the betterment of the country, this is how politics and compromise should work.

[XU_Lou]

Former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson, under Obama, said on NBC that 1000 illegal border crossings per day "overwhelms the system".

We are now at 9-10K per day. By all accounts, this bill wants to limit that number to 5K per day.

How in the hell is that win for the country? How in the hell is that a compromise?


Most American want the border closed:

"The Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey found that 69% of likely U.S. voters support Texas erecting barriers at the border to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing, including 53% who strongly support the action." https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/border_battle_texans_should_stand_their_ground_mos t_voters_say


CBS: "With a total of 75% of Americans saying the border situation is in "a crisis" or is "very serious" – the change in sentiment is being driven primarily by Democrat and Independent Voters." https://texasinsider.org/articles/independent-democrat-voters-drive-new-cbs-poll-75-say-border-in-crisis-or-very-serious


"More than half of Americans (53%) in a recent USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll this month said they support the idea of sending troops to the southern border and ordering the mass deportation of illegal immigrants." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/01/21/texas-governor-reshapes-border-immigration/72166240007/


80% of NH Rs want to "Deport millions of immigrants they believe to be undocumented": https://www.scribd.com/document/693007789/cbsnews-20231217-nh-1#1fullscreen=1




Even The Hill has pointed out that this bill is a stinking pile of horseshit:

"But the blame-game is bogus and rests on a false assumption – that Biden’s bill would actually close the border. It is not true.

There’s a reason the name of the bill is the U.S. Citizenship Act — it’s all about amnesty and paths to citizenship. There is little about preventing illegal immigration. In fact, like most of the Democrats’ policies towards immigration, it would almost certainly increase the number of people arriving at the southern border, not drive it down."

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4429305-joe-bidens-immigration-avalanche-is-about-to-bury-him/


Why in the hell do the damn loser RINOs and their minions fall for this shit every time?

There is no compromise here, this is not a win for anyone other than Biden. Jesus Christ, do people have to have their faces rubbed into the shit to realize it's shit?

[Xville]

Lou do some actual reading and not just believing what you want to believe. Again here are the actual facts from the “writer” of the bill about what is actually in the bill, not internet rumor

https://www.mediaite.com/news/gop-senator-flat-out-accuses-his-republican-colleagues-of-tanking-border-deal-because-its-a-presidential-election-year/

Your hill article, is not an article about the facts of the bill. It’s an opinion piece written by Liz peek who has never seen the bill but instead is talking about Biden’s bill back in 2021 lol. Talk about “falling for shit.”

I’ll believe the person who is forming the bill, you can choose to believe the made up stuff based on internet gossip.

[noteggs]

Some more information here.

https://www.news9.com/story/65b862c76991a90648b944e4/senator-lankford-responds-to-criticism-on-bipartisan-border-reform-deal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-republicans-poised-to-torpedo-gop-s-best-chance-in-years-to-pass-border-bill/ar-BB1htEbB

My thought on it is, who has the motivation to lie in this case? I believe that we can all agree on the group of people that do. Lankford isn't up for reelection for 4 years. He's just trying to fix the problem. Is it ever going to be perfect? No, but this is a significant step in the right direction...funny that quite a bit of the parts of legislation is what Trump was pushing for while in office.

Frankly, if this doesn't get done, it's another black mark against Trump and his cronies to moderate voters. He's probably screwed either way, but him and his boys should be used to losing by now since that's all they have done lately.

Like I said, I’ll trust Lankford for now. We shall see.

Unfortunately the narrative has already been written no matter what the bill actually says.

[GoMuskies]

Here's a fun thought exercise: who do you suspect is/was a worse human being (former President edition): Donald Trump or Bill Clinton?

[Xville]

Here's a fun thought exercise: who do you suspect is/was a worse human being (former President edition): Donald Trump or Bill Clinton?

I’m wondering if maybe they are the same person? Man that’s a tough one!

[UCGRAD4X]

One thing to think about with this or ANY immigration legislation; the law is only as good as the administration's willingness to enforce it.

[xuphan]

Here's a fun thought exercise: who do you suspect is/was a worse human being (former President edition): Donald Trump or Bill Clinton?

Wasn’t Trump and Clinton pretty close in the 1990s and early 2000s? Thought Trump was a big donor to the Bill Clinton campaign.

[xuwillie]

Latest poll shows Biden up 5 points on trump but Hailey 5 points ahead of Biden if she wins. Sadly Somehow republicans are going to screw this up.

[paulxu]

Calling all true American Patriots !

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/01/31/biden-economy-bidenomics-stock-market-trump-trouble/72413281007/

[Xville]

Latest poll shows Biden up 5 points on trump but Hailey 5 points ahead of Biden if she wins. Sadly Somehow republicans are going to screw this up.

Keep hitching their wagon to a complete loser that hasn’t been able to win a general in a long time. It’s not 2016 anymore…, all he and his buddies have done is lose lose lose no matter what for quite a while now.

His only hope is that a decent third party candidate comes and splits the moderate vote. If not, it’s four more years of grandpa

[paulxu]

More fun:

Texas has the right to secede from the U.S. if its citizens decide to do so, Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley argued on Wednesday -- a controversial view that contradicts centuries of established history and precedent. Similar secession efforts infamously led to the Civil War.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nikki-haley-texas-secede-us-isnt/story?id=106837677

I'm starting to question the American History classes in our state's high schools and colleges, especially since it was tried once before right here.

[GoMuskies]

Uh oh, even GamerGate star Brianna Wu has realized maybe the left be crazy as fuck, too.

https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1753056169327829095?s=20

[Xville]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-unveil-long-awaited-border-deal/ar-BB1hLO0y

Now that the actual legislation text has been released, I wanted to circle back on this. Shocking that what Cruz, Trump and his buddies said were lies. Shocked I tell ya! So again I ask, what is wrong with the legislation? Nothing, except that Trump would have zero to run on if it were passed.

Good bipartisan legislation that fixes a lot of the issues that Dems and Republicans have been wanting to fix for a few decades now.

However, again the fringe of both the left and the right don't like it, and could kill it. We should expect more from our elected officials.

[bjf123]

From the linked article. Bold is from me.

“The $118 billion agreement, which was released Sunday afternoon and negotiated for months, would tighten the standard for migrants to receive asylum, automatically shut down the southern border to illegal crossings if migrant encounters hit certain daily benchmarks and send billions of dollars to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan as well as the border.”

Here’s a thought. Shut the border down completely. The daily benchmark is, I believe, 5,000. That’s over a million for the year. That’s still too many.


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[Xville]

From the linked article. Bold is from me.

“The $118 billion agreement, which was released Sunday afternoon and negotiated for months, would tighten the standard for migrants to receive asylum, automatically shut down the southern border to illegal crossings if migrant encounters hit certain daily benchmarks and send billions of dollars to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan as well as the border.”

Here’s a thought. Shut the border down completely. The daily benchmark is, I believe, 5,000. That’s over a million for the year. That’s still too many.


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So, a couple of things. It isn't perfect by any means. It never was going to be. The 5,000 isn't like the border is just open and we say come on in and here is your path to citizenship certificate. They would go thru the process, and due to the bill, it would be a quicker process of expulsion or asylum. There is a significant percentage that are going to be immediately deported. Its a step in the right direction, that congress could then go back to and improve upon.

Here is a bit more info on the actual process and the changes that would be made:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/proposed-border-deal-sinema-helped-craft-could-overhaul-us-asylum-system-what-to-know/ar-BB1hLHo1

Being what America stands for and how it was founded, I see 0 crossings as a non-starter. Our country should be a place of refuge for those who actually need it.


Regardless, its most likely not even going to get to the house. Fringe Republicans only want to pass Trump legistlation, and Fringe Democrats think its too harsh and/or don't like the aid to Israel provisions.

[xuwillie]

So, a couple of things. It isn't perfect by any means. It never was going to be. The 5,000 isn't like the border is just open and we say come on in and here is your path to citizenship certificate. They would go thru the process, and due to the bill, it would be a quicker process of expulsion or asylum. There is a significant percentage that are going to be immediately deported. Its a step in the right direction, that congress could then go back to and improve upon.

Here is a bit more info on the actual process and the changes that would be made:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/proposed-border-deal-sinema-helped-craft-could-overhaul-us-asylum-system-what-to-know/ar-BB1hLHo1

Being what America stands for and how it was founded, I see 0 crossings as a non-starter. Our country should be a place of refuge for those who actually need it.


Regardless, its most likely not even going to get to the house. Fringe Republicans only want to pass Trump legistlation, and Fringe Democrats think its too harsh and/or don't like the aid to Israel provisions.


I think its an awful bill. I'm all for legal entry but There should be zero undocumented crossings (I know unrealistic) but we are going to allow 5k a day or 1.8m a year?! Also, I don't understand why Ukraine has to be tied to this bill. 62billion?? So far we have given them 74billion and we want to almost double that on this bill alone