Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

"Fuck this white club"

And Sheldon Whitehouse was like, "why make this about my beach club?!?"

(I do actually get and appreciate your deep cut here!)

[Masterofreality]

Biden’s Middle East policy has been a catastrophic failure.

https://thespectator.com/topic/america-hamas-double-failure-israel-iran-biden/

[Masterofreality]

Let's see Bob.
Door #1 has a former Marine General, Head of Homeland Security, with multiple command experiences.

Door #2 has a con artist with a fake university, fraudulent charity, multiple failed businesses, and liable for sexual assault.

Tough choice.

Jonah Goldberg is the guy who reported Trump’s alleged comments and said that he would “Soon have more reporting on it”.
Guess what? There has never been any “more reporting” on it at all from Goldberg or anyone else. There has also been zero corroboration. In fact there have been numerous denials.
Keep letting the boogeyman live in your head rent free.

[STL_XUfan]

Jonah Goldberg is the guy who reported Trump’s alleged comments and said that he would “Soon have more reporting on it”.
Guess what? There has never been any “more reporting” on it at all from Goldberg or anyone else. There has also been zero corroboration. In fact there have been numerous denials.
Keep letting the boogeyman live in your head rent free.
Except John Kelly confirmed all of it.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

[Xville]

Mind boggling to me that people still defend trump with anything. He’s said enough terrible shit live. Party over everything I guess.

[paulxu]

Except John Kelly confirmed all of it.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

Well, that's just confirmation by the guy who actually heard the comments.

Who you gonna believe; him, or some article from The Spectator?

[Smails]

For the record I said if it's proven that he said that, it's an indefensible position. My point was that there's literally no proof that he said anything..just an accusation from someone he doesn't get along with. We've had a lot of 'proof crusaders' on this thread and I find it interesting how they apply their standards subjectively depending on who is involved. I'm no Trump defender but I will call out other people's BS.

Let's track how we got to this conversation: I made a statement about how elected dems (squad members specifically) have overtly sided with our enemies and supported Hamas (a narrative that's playing out at Universities across the country) and none of our resident board dems had anything to say about it. Instead we have one deflection regarding Trumps Hezbollah comments and another deflection to Trump's alleged comments from 3 years ago.

I'd like to do a reset and ask Bobbie, Paul and any other Dem what their thoughts are on our elected congress members refusing to condemn Hamas while at the same time lashing out against our largest ally in the region. It looks to me like there's a pretty big fracture among the Dems on this topic.

[Smails]

**double post

[Xville]

Smails---Here is the issue on this thread regarding pretty much anything. In one corner we have MOR who will consistently defend anything Trump and the crazy right side of the republican party do no matter what. He reads what he agrees with, posts it to this thread and acts like he has won some argument. Biden bad, Trump good no matter what the topic.

In the same vein, Paul will consistently defend anything Biden and the crazy left side of the democratic party do no matter what. He reads what he agrees with, posts it to this thread and acts like he has won some argument. Biden good, Trump bad no matter what the topic.

It'd be nice if there could be actual discourse on a topic without blaming the other side for everything, but that's precisely what MOR and Paul do...it's their schtick, and like peace in the Middle East, it's never going to be solved.

[bobbiemcgee]

I support the IDF 100 percent realizing Palestinians who don't support Hamas are in the meat grinder.

[GoMuskies]

Man, WSJ has a live feed of the House for the Speaker vote, and my God I cannot think of anything more pointless than Congressional proceedings. What a waste of fucking time. Parliamentary procedure is really stupid in 2023. There's currently a long speech ongoing in support of Hakeem Jeffries's candidacy for Speaker. Productive.

[GoMuskies]

One McCarthy vote in the Bs.
A Donalds vote. Still in the Bs.
An Emmer vote. Still in the Bs.
Another McCarthy in the Cs.
A Zeldin and a Scalise in the Ds.

It's already over the in Ds.

These roll call votes are also a complete waste of time in 2023.

[GoMuskies]

Someone voted for Boehner! LOL

[bjf123]

What’s the sticking point that’s keeping the Republicans from getting their collective heads out of their asses? What do those voting against Jordan, Scalise, and McCarthy want?


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[Smails]

I support the IDF 100 percent realizing Palestinians who don't support Hamas are in the meat grinder.

What would you say about those in congress who have spoken out against the IDF?

[paulxu]

For the record I said if it's proven that he said that, it's an indefensible position. My point was that there's literally no proof that he said anything..just an accusation from someone he doesn't get along with. We've had a lot of 'proof crusaders' on this thread and I find it interesting how they apply their standards subjectively depending on who is involved. I'm no Trump defender but I will call out other people's BS.

Let's track how we got to this conversation: I made a statement about how elected dems (squad members specifically) have overtly sided with our enemies and supported Hamas (a narrative that's playing out at Universities across the country) and none of our resident board dems had anything to say about it. Instead we have one deflection regarding Trumps Hezbollah comments and another deflection to Trump's alleged comments from 3 years ago.

I'd like to do a reset and ask Bobbie, Paul and any other Dem what their thoughts are on our elected congress members refusing to condemn Hamas while at the same time lashing out against our largest ally in the region. It looks to me like there's a pretty big fracture among the Dems on this topic.

Assuming this is a thoughtful request, I'll note for the record that I support no people or statements that purport to give support to the atrocities committed by Hamas. They are indefensible.
I will also note that the situation is Israel is very complex. Having Israel violate agreements it made is not helpful in the settlement issue. And having a couple generations born and raised in Gaza, with restricted movements, ringed by barb wire and fences, where water and power can be cut off is bound to produce a lot of crazies that will (indefensibly) do stupid things.
I have been in these situations outside our country, and they are destabilizing and have long term consequences.
No justification for the murder of innocent women and children...no matter what.
Hopefully some day there will be peace for those people trapped on both sides of an equation looking for a solution. I feel for the innocents.

[bobbiemcgee]

What would you say about those in congress who have spoken out against the IDF?

Crazies on both sides.

[noteggs]

Guess it’s good thing the House is not in session today…

[Strange Brew]

Guess it’s good thing the House is not in session today…

Why? What happened?

[noteggs]

Why? What happened?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/18/protesters-of-israel-hamas-war-enter-congressional-building---leading-to-arrests/

You probably already know about JVP, but they have an interesting philosophy

[Strange Brew]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2023/10/18/protesters-of-israel-hamas-war-enter-congressional-building---leading-to-arrests/

You probably already know about JVP, but they have an interesting philosophy

I did not and it looks like a Dem Congressperson incited them. Curious indeed.
Arrests for trespassing and assaulting officers. Huh, funny considering Pelosi’s slander of Jim Jordan today.

[XU_Lou]

It wasn't enough to bring a vote to the floor, Jordan's basically doxxing all the Republican holdouts and trying to get the right-wing media to go in attack mode until they vote for Jordan.

Pretty sure Scalise saw the extreme MAGA Republicans put the same conditions to him that they did for McCarthy and said "Fuck this white club"

Maybe you ought to work on eradicating the virulent anti-Semitism in your party before tossing around racists tropes....

[XU_Lou]

Imagine if FDR announced giving $100M to Nazi Germany after Great Britain bombed them?

Or, perhaps more apropos, imagine if FDR gave the Nazis $100M in exchange for some POWs?

[Xville]

Maybe you ought to work on eradicating the virulent anti-Semitism in your party before tossing around racists tropes....

Geezus you’re dumb. 1.) Maybe you should understand a Xavier reference before making a stupid comment. 2.) just because he said exactly what scalise was probably thinking about the idiot maga republicans does not make him a democrat. No way in hell you ever went to Xavier.

[XU_Lou]

Geezus you’re dumb. 1.) Maybe you should understand a Xavier reference before making a stupid comment. 2.) just because he said exactly what scalise was probably thinking about the idiot maga republicans does not make him a democrat. No way in hell you ever went to Xavier.

You're right, that does sound like something you would say!!! LOL!!!

[Xville]

Imagine if FDR announced giving $100M to Nazi Germany after Great Britain bombed them?

Or, perhaps more apropos, imagine if FDR gave the Nazis $100M in exchange for some POWs?

It’s humanitarian aid to civilians dipshit and the us gave billions to Germany after the war.

[Strange Brew]

Imagine if FDR announced giving $100M to Nazi Germany after Great Britain bombed them?

Or, perhaps more apropos, imagine if FDR gave the Nazis $100M in exchange for some POWs?

Haha, FDR. Mister internment and private ownership of gold no no.

[Strange Brew]

Geezus you’re dumb. 1.) Maybe you should understand a Xavier reference before making a stupid comment. 2.) just because he said exactly what scalise was probably thinking about the idiot maga republicans does not make him a democrat. No way in hell you ever went to Xavier.

Hey, Ville knows what Scalise is thinking now.

I think he’s thinking he’s beat cancer and leftist terrorism…

[XU_Lou]

It’s humanitarian aid to civilians

Really! I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...




and the us gave billions to Germany after the war.

"after" is the key word there Einstein...

[XU_Lou]

Hey, Ville knows what Scalise is thinking now.

I think he’s thinking he’s beat cancer and leftist terrorism…

Hell, Sigmund Obsession was able to diagnose a mental illness based on a retirement posting!

[Strange Brew]

Hell, Sigmund Obsession was able to diagnose a mental illness based on a retirement posting!

Let’s argue the merits of the Marshall Plan!

He has none of the clues…

[GoMuskies]

Fetterman is good now. Who knew?

https://x.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1714776985098940706?s=20

[Strange Brew]

Fetterman is good now. Who knew?

https://x.com/SenFettermanPA/status/1714776985098940706?s=20

:). Sometimes it’s not that complicated.

[Xville]

Hey, Ville knows what Scalise is thinking now.

I think he’s thinking he’s beat cancer and leftist terrorism…

Hey other dipshit, maybe you and Lou should get a room. I bet you two could really share some stuff.

[Xville]

Hey, Ville knows what Scalise is thinking now.

I think he’s thinking he’s beat cancer and leftist terrorism…

Dipshit 2, it was a comment off of x-band. Stay in your lane of lawyering lol

[Xville]

Really! I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...





"after" is the key word there Einstein...

oh what pray tell is it then since you think it's not humanitarian aid?

[Smails]

Crazies on both sides.

Which crazy Republicans in Congress are siding with Hamas? If they exist, please call them out and I'll gladly denounce them.

[GoMuskies]

Jordan's idiot cronies are apparently harassing and threatening the 22 Republican holdouts and their families. What a clown show. One of those Republicans should vote for Jeffries to REALLY make Jordan's morons nervous.

[Xville]

Which crazy Republicans in Congress are siding with Hamas? If they exist, please call them out and I'll gladly denounce them.

They aren't...they are too busy making death threats to colleagues who won't vote for Jordan.

Congress looks like a complete clown show.

[STL_XUfan]

Welcome to the resistance Sydney Powell?

[GoMuskies]

the resistance

The only bigger losers than Trump MAGA-ists may be people living in the United States who called themselves "the resistance".

[Uncle Joe]

So Lou was banned again for "annoying people"?

Who? Xville?

So Xville gets to throw out racist tropes against several Xavier players; make inappropriate comments about the mental state of another player; bully, slander and call everyone names on this board - and then runs to the mods and complains when someone pushes back to get them censored and cancelled!!

And yet he gets to run free!!

Unbelievable!!

Why the double standard mods?????

[Strange Brew]

Jordan's idiot cronies are apparently harassing and threatening the 22 Republican holdouts and their families. What a clown show. One of those Republicans should vote for Jeffries to REALLY make Jordan's morons nervous.

Yeah, that’s dumb to go after the holdouts.

Well, it looks like Scalise and maybe Jordan are out however we may have 20 votes before Jordan ends up getting it.

Who else has a shot at it according to Vegas GO?

[GoMuskies]

Who else has a shot at it according to Vegas GO?

McHenry is now the +250 favorite.

Emmer +400
Hern +700
Jordan +700
Mike Johnson +800
McCarthy +1000
Westerman +1000
Bergman +1200
Scalise +1400
Jeffries(!) +1400
Stefanik +2800
Trump +2800

[STL_XUfan]

McHenry is now the +250 favorite.

Emmer +400
Hern +700
Jordan +700
Mike Johnson +800
McCarthy +1000
Westerman +1000
Bergman +1200
Scalise +1400
Jeffries(!) +1400
Stefanik +2800
Trump +2800

Do they pay out on McHenry if he just becomes acting speaker, or does he actually need to be elected?

[Smails]

They aren't...they are too busy making death threats to colleagues who won't vote for Jordan.

Congress looks like a complete clown show.

There's no 'looks like'...it is. I've seen headlines but have not read too deep into these threats. Do we have elected members of congress making direct death threats to other congress members???

[GoMuskies]

Do they pay out on McHenry if he just becomes acting speaker, or does he actually need to be elected?

Went back to check the rules, and the bet is no longer being offered. I have to think he has to be elected, but definitely not sure. Probably took down because of news that Jordan is supporting McHenry getting more temporary powers until January.

[paulxu]

The Kraken has been captured after being released.
Also, why make the bow tie guy a temporary Speaker?
Why not just vote him in?

[paulxu]

Oops. Apparently Jordan doesn’t like the bow tie guy idea.

[Strange Brew]

Oops. Apparently Jordan doesn’t like the bow tie guy idea.

Meh, lot of posturing. Just vote for Jordan and get on with it or nominate someone else.

[X-band '01]

Oops. Apparently Jordan doesn’t like the bow tie guy idea.

More like Matt Gaetz doesn't like the bow-tie guy.

[X-band '01]

Welcome to the resistance Sydney Powell?

So that leaves Ken Chesebro by himself for his trial (he and Powell were the only ones who initially requested a speedy trial) in Fulton County next week. We'll see if he also flips on the Donald or whether he risks going to trial and potential prison time.

[paulxu]

Meh, lot of posturing. Just vote for Jordan and get on with it or nominate someone else.

I like your second idea.
Somewhere in that caucus there must be a reasonable person who didn't take part in the insurrection, or refused to comply with his/her own body's subpoena, and is not under suspicion of turning a blind eye to sex crimes.
I think Jordan's strong arm tactics backfired with crazies calling Republicans and threatening them. Upset some of them for sure.
We need some one there in times like these.

[Strange Brew]

I like your second idea.
Somewhere in that caucus there must be a reasonable person who didn't take part in the insurrection, or refused to comply with his/her own body's subpoena, and is not under suspicion of turning a blind eye to sex crimes.
I think Jordan's strong arm tactics backfired with crazies calling Republicans and threatening them. Upset some of them for sure.
We need some one there in times like these.

Meh, your party isn’t in power in the House.

What Insurrection? The one yesterday? Or was that (D)ifferent?

[paulxu]

Per a senior GOP source, “Ferguson told the conference that he‘s had to have a sheriff stationed at his daughter’s school over death threats from the far right. Also one at his house.”

And he's a Republican. (leopards eating faces)

[Strange Brew]

Per a senior GOP source, “Ferguson told the conference that he‘s had to have a sheriff stationed at his daughter’s school over death threats from the far right. Also one at his house.”

And he's a Republican. (leopards eating faces)

What are your thoughts on yesterday’s insurrection?

[paulxu]

Absent being violently suppressed, there shouldn’t be insurrections.

What are your thoughts about the one on Jan 6th?

[GoMuskies]

25 voted against Jordan this round. Why does he insist on embarrassing himself like this?

[Xville]

25 voted against Jordan this round. Why does he insist on embarrassing himself like this?

One thing I do like about this, is that the party is pushing back against the crazy wing. That’s a good thing imo.

[GoMuskies]

Oh, for sure. I'd vote against Jordan if I had a vote.

[bobbiemcgee]

Early Festivus.

[bobbiemcgee]

So that leaves Ken Chesebro by himself for his trial (he and Powell were the only ones who initially requested a speedy trial) in Fulton County next week. We'll see if he also flips on the Donald or whether he risks going to trial and potential prison time.
Taking a plea.

[GoMuskies]

Jordan is out of the Speaker race. Next?

[paulxu]

If they re-elect McCarthy, will they do away with that rule that one person can call for vote to remove?

[GoMuskies]

I can't imagine McCarthy would take the job again unless they make that change.

[STL_XUfan]

Jim Jordan, legislative genius at work:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F850WjJaIAAyEt0?format=png&name=900x900

[Strange Brew]

Jordan is out of the Speaker race. Next?

Hopefully someone who will cut spending. A lot.

[bobbiemcgee]

Don't write a book in arkansas

List Of Banned Words & Their Replacements in arkansas:(Sanders)


a. Rather than “pregnant people” or “pregnant person,” use “pregnant women” or “pregnant mom.”
b. Rather than “chestfeeding,” use “breastfeeding.c. Rather than “body fed” or “person fed,” use “breast fed.”
d. Rather than “human milk,” use “breast milk.”
e. Rather than “birthing person,” use “birth mom.”
f. Rather than “laboring person,” use “birth mom.”
g. Rather than “menstruating person” or “menstruating people,” use “woman” or “women.”
h. Rather than “birth-giver,” use “woman.”
i. Rather than “womxn” or “womyn,” use “woman.”

J. Rather than "Anus" use "asshole." Ok this last one was mine.

[Strange Brew]

Don't write a book in arkansas

List Of Banned Words & Their Replacements in arkansas:(Sanders)


a. Rather than “pregnant people” or “pregnant person,” use “pregnant women” or “pregnant mom.”
b. Rather than “chestfeeding,” use “breastfeeding.c. Rather than “body fed” or “person fed,” use “breast fed.”
d. Rather than “human milk,” use “breast milk.”
e. Rather than “birthing person,” use “birth mom.”
f. Rather than “laboring person,” use “birth mom.”
g. Rather than “menstruating person” or “menstruating people,” use “woman” or “women.”
h. Rather than “birth-giver,” use “woman.”
i. Rather than “womxn” or “womyn,” use “woman.”

J. Rather than "Anus" use "asshole." Ok this last one was mine.

Ok, was this a style guide like what the AP puts out?

[Uncle Joe]

So Lou was banned again for "annoying people"?

Who? Xville?

So Xville gets to throw out racist tropes against several Xavier players; make inappropriate comments about the mental state of another player; bully, slander and call everyone names on this board - and then runs to the mods and complains when someone pushes back to get them censored and cancelled!!

And yet he gets to run free!!

Unbelievable!!

Why the double standard mods?????


So, Mods, are you going to respond or address the points I made above and in my PMs this morning? I’ve heard nothing from you.

Why is Xville being protected? Why is he treated like the “Golden Child” around here?

Why is there an arbitrary application of the “rules” - when Xville has so clearly crossed as many lines as Lou has, yet he continues to roam free on this board?

Speaking of “rules”, what exactly are the rules for this board that Lou has supposedly broken? Lou was “annoying people”? Are you serious? That’s the whole point of this thread! Every single person on this board annoys some other subset of this board on a regular basis. Why is it different for the “Golden Child”?

There are any on this board that have butted-heads and have experienced Xville’s belligerence on a fairly regular basis over the years, but there’s been complete silence from you. Hell, MOR, you’ve been a special target of his ire for well over a year now – do you not think he would try to silence you as well if he could?

[Xville]

So, Mods, are you going to respond or address the points I made above and in my PMs this morning? I’ve heard nothing from you.

Why is Xville being protected? Why is he treated like the “Golden Child” around here?

Why is there an arbitrary application of the “rules” - when Xville has so clearly crossed as many lines as Lou has, yet he continues to roam free on this board?

Speaking of “rules”, what exactly are the rules for this board that Lou has supposedly broken? Lou was “annoying people”? Are you serious? That’s the whole point of this thread! Every single person on this board annoys some other subset of this board on a regular basis. Why is it different for the “Golden Child”?

There are any on this board that have butted-heads and have experienced Xville’s belligerence on a fairly regular basis over the years, but there’s been complete silence from you. Hell, MOR, you’ve been a special target of his ire for well over a year now – do you not think he would try to silence you as well if he could?

Hi lou

[paulxu]

It’s always interesting to see who is, and who is not, a Supporting Member.

[bobbiemcgee]

Uncle Lou.

[xuphan]

Uncle Lou.

Uncle Joe Biden?

[GoMuskies]

Don't write a book in arkansas

List Of Banned Words & Their Replacements in arkansas:(Sanders)


a. Rather than “pregnant people” or “pregnant person,” use “pregnant women” or “pregnant mom.”
b. Rather than “chestfeeding,” use “breastfeeding.c. Rather than “body fed” or “person fed,” use “breast fed.”
d. Rather than “human milk,” use “breast milk.”
e. Rather than “birthing person,” use “birth mom.”
f. Rather than “laboring person,” use “birth mom.”
g. Rather than “menstruating person” or “menstruating people,” use “woman” or “women.”
h. Rather than “birth-giver,” use “woman.”
i. Rather than “womxn” or “womyn,” use “woman.”

J. Rather than "Anus" use "asshole." Ok this last one was mine.

All seem good to me. For a-i, the first one is in every instance nonsense.

[Strange Brew]

So, Mods, are you going to respond or address the points I made above and in my PMs this morning? I’ve heard nothing from you.

Why is Xville being protected? Why is he treated like the “Golden Child” around here?

Why is there an arbitrary application of the “rules” - when Xville has so clearly crossed as many lines as Lou has, yet he continues to roam free on this board?

Speaking of “rules”, what exactly are the rules for this board that Lou has supposedly broken? Lou was “annoying people”? Are you serious? That’s the whole point of this thread! Every single person on this board annoys some other subset of this board on a regular basis. Why is it different for the “Golden Child”?

There are any on this board that have butted-heads and have experienced Xville’s belligerence on a fairly regular basis over the years, but there’s been complete silence from you. Hell, MOR, you’ve been a special target of his ire for well over a year now – do you not think he would try to silence you as well if he could?

Too funny. Thank you.

[Strange Brew]

All seem good to me. For a-i, the first one is in every instance nonsense.

Yeah, people from AR call that a cornhole.

Or so I’ve heard..;)

[Strange Brew]

Uncle Joe Biden?

How dare you! Uncle Joe was Stalin according to FDR.

[Strange Brew]

It’s always interesting to see who is, and who is not, a Supporting Member.

It’s always interesting to see whom is “college educated” and who is not.

[GoMuskies]

Oddsmakers think McHenry, Emmer or Hern will be next up in the Speaker race. +275, +275 and +300, respectively.

[STL_XUfan]

Oddsmakers think McHenry, Emmer or Hern will be next up in the Speaker race. +275, +275 and +300, respectively.
They taking action on the over/under for when that happens?

[Strange Brew]

They taking action on the over/under for when that happens?

Take the over. :)

Hope it’s not Emmer. He’s been bought and paid for.

[paulxu]

Just what we need; an election denier in charge of one branch of government.

[X-band '01]

At this point, what non-election denier would be the favorite to be Speaker? Either way, it's proven to be damn near impossible for any Republican to get enough consensus to be Speaker.

[GoMuskies]

They taking action on the over/under for when that happens?

Unfortunately, no.

[GoMuskies]

Just what we need; an election denier in charge of one branch of government.

Trump is the current betting favorite to win the Presidential election.

[Smails]

Just what we need; an election denier in charge of one branch of government.

Is Hakeem Jefferies running?

[xuwillie]

Is Hakeem Jefferies running?


Cmon you know only election deniers are republicans.

[paulxu]

Cmon you know only election deniers are republicans.

You may be onto something there.

The CNN poll, conducted March 8-12 among 1,045 Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents, found 63% of respondents believe Biden did not legitimately win the 2020 election
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republicans-increasingly-realize-theres-no-evidence-of-election-fraud-but-most-still-think-2020-election-was-stolen-anyway-poll-finds/?sh=607cdc5628ec

[GoMuskies]

You may be onto something there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/03/14/republicans-increasingly-realize-theres-no-evidence-of-election-fraud-but-most-still-think-2020-election-was-stolen-anyway-poll-finds/?sh=607cdc5628ec

Now do Dems and 2016.

[X-man]

Now do Dems and 2016.

Trump won in 2016. Now W in 2000...another story.

[X-band '01]

You may not like the Bush presidency, but I fail to see where he stole that election. A very close one to be sure, but it was not illegitimate.

[Strange Brew]

Now do Dems and 2016.

That’s (D)ifferent! :)

[paulxu]

A lot of Dems were concerned about the foreign influence on social media regarding the 2016 election.
Will probably be worse next year.
I missed the Dems storming the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

[GoMuskies]

Fair. They just wanted to blow up the White House from afar.

[Strange Brew]

A lot of Dems were concerned about the foreign influence on social media regarding the 2016 election.
Will probably be worse next year.
I missed the Dems storming the Capitol to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

And you missed the riots after the 2017 Inauguration. Again, it’s (D)ifferent.

[paulxu]

No, I didn’t miss them. There were a lot of protests after the vote in November, and more after Inauguration Day. Some turned violent with rioters being arrested as they should have been.
I missed the part where the Democrat candidate urged her followers to march on the Capitol and stop the peaceful transfer of power.

[Masterofreality]

No, I didn’t miss them. There were a lot of protests after the vote in November, and more after Inauguration Day. Some turned violent with rioters being arrested as they should have been.
I missed the part where the Democrat candidate urged her followers to march on the Capitol and stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Apparently you missed Maxine Waters-Democrat- ordering supporters to riot in the streets and harass any Republican they found in restaurants and other public places, Mr. Myopia.

[Masterofreality]

This is an excellent article that exposes the rank hypocritical nature of Lefty’s and “Progressives” .
Thomas Sowell is So Right.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[paulxu]

Apparently you missed Maxine Waters-Democrat- ordering supporters to riot in the streets and harass any Republican they found in restaurants and other public places, Mr. Myopia.

I don't defend any of the Democrat's crazy stuff. There's no defense for rioting, looting, etc.
Unlike people who defend the lawless actions of Republicans.
Would be refreshing to read some Republican here saying Jan 6th was wrong and those involved should be punished.

Cheeseboro and Powell pleading guilty for their nonsense should give some people pause.

[GoMuskies]

This post would have a bit more weight if Paul had ever said anything negative about a Democrat politician.

[paulxu]

This post would have a bit more weight if Paul had ever said anything negative about a Democrat politician.

Maybe fair point. Note that I did point out there is no defense for the crazy stuff by Dems. I'm am categorically against any unlawful action.

Have you seen any Republicans on here disavow the unlawful actions on their side? Even the guilty pleas don't seem to bother them.

[GoMuskies]

I'm pretty certain XVille is a Republican. He gives Republican politicians (and their enablers) plenty of hell.

[noteggs]

This is an excellent article that exposes the rank hypocritical nature of Lefty’s and “Progressives” .
Thomas Sowell is So Right.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/the-day-the-delusions-died-konstantin-kisin?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

You had me at Thomas Sowell

Thanks sharing!

I thought it was interesting on the whole “human nature” thing.

[nuts4xu]

Would be refreshing to read some Republican here saying Jan 6th was wrong and those involved should be punished.



I am a registered republican. Jan 6th was wrong, and those involved should be punished.

[Xville]

I'm pretty certain XVille is a Republican. He gives Republican politicians (and their enablers) plenty of hell.

I'm a registered independent but probably vote republican 75-80% of the time. Only time I really don't is if it's a MAGA republican or a moderate dem vs a socially conservative republican.

Anyways, yes I think both sides are full of complete idiots.

My brother, a staunch republican who was the speaker of the house in MO for a few terms, has told me enough stories that I'm fully aware of just how bought and paid for all politicians are. And, that's at the state level.

[Strange Brew]

I'm a registered independent but probably vote republican 75-80% of the time. Only time I really don't is if it's a MAGA republican or a moderate dem vs a socially conservative republican.

Anyways, yes I think both sides are full of complete idiots.

My brother, a staunch republican who was the speaker of the house in MO for a few terms, has told me enough stories that I'm fully aware of just how bought and paid for all politicians are. And, that's at the state level.

Agree, on the grift. Heard good ol’boy Mitch on Ukraine funding and just facepalmed.

To paraphrase: It’s good because we’re spending the money here to rebuild our weapon supplies. So, in essence we’re going to pay to prolong the war so Ukraine can use up our old “toys” and we can build new ones.

Kind of a goofy question but if you don’t vote for MAGA or Social Conservatives, what Rs DO you vote for?

[Masterofreality]

I don't defend any of the Democrat's crazy stuff. There's no defense for rioting, looting, etc.
Unlike people who defend the lawless actions of Republicans.
Would be refreshing to read some Republican here saying Jan 6th was wrong and those involved should be punished.

Cheeseboro and Powell pleading guilty for their nonsense should give some people pause.

January 6 was a demonstration gone wrong. Entering the Capitol was wrong, but people are free to peacefully demonstrate, which, for the most part, January 6 was.
Of course the demonstrations on 1/6 were fueled by anger over the way that the “Firey but peaceful (lol)” demonstrations were encouraged and condoned by the Democrats and Progressives and the results therefrom. Where most of the Demonstrators(see Rioters) were caught then released with no consequences or even charges in some cases. Where “Demonstrators” in Portland assaulted, injured and maimed Federal Forces and the Federal Courthouse. Where “Demonstrators” in Kenosha burned the city to the ground. Where “Demonstrators” in Atlanta, Louisville, Philadelphia and Minneapolis burned and looted. All with little consequence because of Progressive Democrat Prosecutors and corrupt Democrat City Administrations.

Maybe an equal application of the law in 2020 would have tempered what happened in January 2021?
I believe that is a good bet.

[Xville]

Agree, on the grift. Heard good ol’boy Mitch on Ukraine funding and just facepalmed.

To paraphrase: It’s good because we’re spending the money here to rebuild our weapon supplies. So, in essence we’re going to pay to prolong the war so Ukraine can use up our old “toys” and we can build new ones.

Kind of a goofy question but if you don’t vote for MAGA or Social Conservatives, what Rs DO you vote for?

Fiscal conservatives who aren’t maga nutsos or non extreme republicans vs extreme democrats.

[MADXSTER]

January 6 was a demonstration gone wrong. Entering the Capitol was wrong, but people are free to peacefully demonstrate, which, for the most part, January 6 was.
Of course the demonstrations on 1/6 were fueled by anger over the way that the “Firey but peaceful (lol)” demonstrations were encouraged and condoned by the Democrats and Progressives and the results therefrom. Where most of the Demonstrators(see Rioters) were caught then released with no consequences or even charges in some cases. Where “Demonstrators” in Portland assaulted, injured and maimed Federal Forces and the Federal Courthouse. Where “Demonstrators” in Kenosha burned the city to the ground. Where “Demonstrators” in Atlanta, Louisville, Philadelphia and Minneapolis burned and looted. All with little consequence because of Progressive Democrat Prosecutors and corrupt Democrat City Administrations.

Maybe an equal application of the law in 2020 would have tempered what happened in January 2021?
I believe that is a good bet.

I'm open to being called out and being wrong on this but I think some embers may have been from Freedom of speech being hampered for such a long period of time.

[Strange Brew]

Fiscal conservatives who aren’t maga nutsos or non extreme republicans vs extreme democrats.

Can you give me one for whom to vote?

I would say Haley however she has ties to the defense industry.

[Xville]

Can you give me one for whom to vote?

I would say Haley however she has ties to the defense industry.

I was going to say Haley for sure. Shes not perfect, but she’s pragmatic and pretty moderate, or at least she seems to be. She’s going to be my vote. Of course, I don’t get a vote in the primary in ky but hopefully she somehow pulls the upset and wins the nom

[Strange Brew]

I was going to say Haley for sure. Shes not perfect, but she’s pragmatic and pretty moderate, or at least she seems to be. She’s going to be my vote. Of course, I don’t get a vote in the primary in ky but hopefully she somehow pulls the upset and wins the nom

Wouldn’t be horrible.

I can’t vote in the Primary in CO. Not that it matters as the State is trying to remove a certain R candidate from the ballot and Bobbie would negate my vote anyway. :)

Bobbie is a disenfanchiser!…not that it’s a word. :)

[bjf123]

I am a registered republican. Jan 6th was wrong, and those involved should be punished.

What he said. My only additional comment on that would be that I think some of the sentences were too extreme for the actions of some of those involved.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Wouldn’t be horrible.

I can’t vote in the Primary in CO. Not that it matters as the State is trying to remove a certain R candidate from the ballot and Bobbie would negate my vote anyway. :)

Bobbie is a disenfanchiser!…not that it’s a word. :)

Haha I like it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Haley would be great and would get my vote. Hopefully she continues to rise in the polls. Unfortunately it seems we are headed towards Trump vs. Biden again. I think I'd have to write in a vote if those are my choices.

[Strange Brew]

What he said. My only additional comment on that would be that I think some of the sentences were too extreme for the actions of some of those involved.


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I’ll let the lawyers on this board respond…;)

[Strange Brew]

Haha I like it.

Darn you! Shakes fist. :)

I made my choice when I registered out here after the W admin.

You ain’t prepared. I guess I’ll C U when U C me.

[Smails]

Have you seen any Republicans on here disavow the unlawful actions on their side?

Yes, plenty.

What/who are you talking about?? Maybe one person here is like that..one. You're creating a narrative that doesn't exist.

[Masterofreality]

I’d love it if Nikki Hayley won the nomination.
No candidate is perfect, but she’s very good!

And, as established on here, Paul would vote for Vacation Joe over her. The most perfect example of Blind Blue I have ever seen.
Make sure you keep that “Party over Country” philosophy Paul. Very healthy as the US sinks to the bottom.

[paulxu]

Another plea deal in Georgia. Party over country catches up to the liars.

[Strange Brew]

Another plea deal in Georgia. Party over country catches up to the liars.

Yes, because THIS is the pressing issue of the day.

[paulxu]

“This is perhaps the last one and then we go to outsiders. We go to fresh eyes, new people,” Sessions told reporters.

The defendant has urged his supporters to vote against Emmer.
Maybe they should go outside; get Liz Cheney.
Would be nice if the majority could get back to governing. There are big challenges to be addressed.

[Strange Brew]

The defendant has urged his supporters to vote against Emmer.
Maybe they should go outside; get Liz Cheney.
Would be nice if the majority could get back to governing. There are big challenges to be addressed.

Haha, Liz Cheney? You are an unserious person.

Get back to Governing? They’ve done such a bang up job of it the past 20-25 years.

Hold on. Liz Cheney. Hahahahahahahaha.

I’m not done yet. They don’t Govern anything. They serve us.

[Masterofreality]

Would be nice if the majority could get back to governing. There are big challenges to be addressed.

When will Vacation Joe stop going on holiday and start governing? Maybe answer a question or two in the meantime?
As to the “Majority”. Who controls 2 of the 3 main departments rn? Whatever the House would pass would be DOA in either the Senate or vetoed.
At least the Republicans are willing to have a healthy debate as to where they think the country should go, unlike the lockstep Democrats who can’t figure out how to close the border, are determined to ruin the energy industry in the US , and are concentrating on doing all they can do to kill babies.
#BeachfrontBiden

[Masterofreality]

Haha, Liz Cheney? You are an unserious person.

Get back to Governing? They’ve done such a bang up job of it the past 20-25 years.

Hold on. Liz Cheney. Hahahahahahahaha.

I’m not done yet. They don’t Govern anything. They serve us.

Of course Paul supports Charlatans. It’s perfect.

[paulxu]

Of course….it’s Joe Biden’s fault the majority can’t elect a Speaker.
Whatever was I thinking.

[paulxu]

Emmer drops out. Quelle surprise.
Maybe a handful of reasonable Republicans could join with the Dems and elect Jeffries.
Whose next? The defendant?

[xuwillie]

Emmer drops out. Quelle surprise.
Maybe a handful of reasonable Republicans could join with the Dems and elect Jeffries.
Whose next? The defendant?


So you want to elect an election denier to speaker? Shocking

[GoMuskies]

Congratulations to Emmer. Having the clown car portion of the Republican Party say they can't support you is a huge win in my book.

[X-band '01]

Emmer drops out. Quelle surprise.
Maybe a handful of reasonable Republicans could join with the Dems and elect Jeffries.
Whose next? The defendant?

More likely that a number of Democrats will just vote "Present" when they find a palatable speaker. Too bad, because Emmer was as close as they were going to get for a while.

[GoMuskies]

More likely that a number of Democrats will just vote "Present" when they find a palatable speaker. Too bad, because Emmer was as close as they were going to get for a while.

Dean Phillips of MN said he would do that for Emmer. Not sure he'd have had enough friends in the party willing to do the same, though.

[bobbiemcgee]

Congratulations to Emmer. Having the clown car portion of the Republican Party say they can't support you is a huge win in my book.

More like the Clown Bus lately.

[Strange Brew]

More like the Clown Bus lately.

Nah, that’s on permanent lease by the Squad, Pelosi, and the POTUS.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah you got gaetz, mtg, and the the girl getting felt up lol. I think they should nominate Haley.

[bobbiemcgee]

Or Santos. He only has 10 counts instead of 91. Pelosi 1 ballot

[Strange Brew]

Yeah you got gaetz, mtg, and the the girl getting felt up lol. I think they should nominate Haley.

All of them less crazy than the squad and Pelosi.

You’re just jealous Boebert wouldn’t let you take her out for a play date. :)

[Strange Brew]

Pelosi 1 ballot

Obey. Or else.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes and Yes.

[Strange Brew]

Congratulations to Emmer. Having the clown car portion of the Republican Party say they can't support you is a huge win in my book.

Yeah, Emmer is a total loser who has the support of the greasy palm Rs.

[Masterofreality]

Of course….it’s Joe Biden’s fault the majority can’t elect a Speaker.
Whatever was I thinking.

Welp. It’s Joe Biden’s fault that this country is F-Ed up!
And the House is irrelevant, you know that. Because anything they would do would be dead in the Senate or vetoed by Biden.
You would think Paul would be happy about this because it stops any Biden impeachment in its tracks.
Just don’t forget about those documents in the garage or the $20 million sent to Biden by adversarial governments.

[Strange Brew]

Welp. It’s Joe Biden’s fault that this country is F-Ed up!
And the House is irrelevant, you know that. Because anything they would do would be dead in the Senate or vetoed by Biden.
You would think Paul would be happy about this because it stops any Biden impeachment in its tracks.
Just don’t forget about those documents in the garage or the $20 million sent to Biden by adversarial governments.

I love that no one cares about US military bases under fire when a D is in office. It’s weird….

[noteggs]

Maybe a handful of reasonable Republicans could join with the Dems and elect Jeffries.


Hope you’re trying to be funny here? Sarc font? If the shoe was on the other foot, I would think this would be the dumbest thing the democrats could do. Sure you’d feel the same.

Also, don’t think you would call them “reasonable” democrats at that time. No, they would be idiots and I would agree.

[paulxu]

I love that no one cares about US military bases under fire when a D is in office. It’s weird….

Well, that certainly explains the R's hold on over 300 senior military officer who are awaiting promotion. All the D's fault. It's very weird.

[paulxu]

Hope you’re trying to be funny here? Sarc font? If the shoe was on the other foot, I would think this would be the dumbest thing the democrats could do. Sure you’d feel the same.

Also, don’t think you would call them “reasonable” democrats at that time. No, they would be idiots and I would agree.

Yes, it was offered sarcastically. But these are strange times.

[Strange Brew]

Well, that certainly explains the R's hold on over 300 senior military officer who are awaiting promotion. All the D's fault. It's very weird.

Yeah, the chain of command will remain.

Jeez you’re dumb.

[paulxu]

Yeah, the chain of command will remain.

Jeez you’re dumb.

Having spent some time with people like this, you'll pardon me if I go with their evaluation of the situation, and not yours.


This week, some of the military’s most senior leaders took the issue head on and voiced their concerns. They said the damage the holds will do to the military will be felt for years, as young talented officers decide they’ve had enough and choose to get out.

“We’re on the fringe of losing a generation of champions,” Air Force Gen. Mark Kelly, the head Air Combat Command, told reporters this week at a defense conference in Maryland. Kelly said he’s talking to his junior officers, many with families, and they are “people who will take a bullet for the nation, the Constitution.” But when it comes to dragging their family through this, “there’s a red line.”

https://apnews.com/article/tuberville-holds-military-nominations-664c15d00d330b2b06b75ebeda8e3f01

[Strange Brew]

Having spent some time with people like this, you'll pardon me if I go with their evaluation of the situation, and not yours.



https://apnews.com/article/tuberville-holds-military-nominations-664c15d00d330b2b06b75ebeda8e3f01

Pretty sure the rank and file will be fine with or without their stars. You’re inventing crisis’ that don’t exist.

[paulxu]

Pretty sure the rank and file will be fine with or without their stars. You’re inventing crisis’ that don’t exist.

Not me inventing. Senior military leaders. But what do they know...

[Strange Brew]

Not me inventing. Senior military leaders. But what do they know...

Define Senior.

[Xuperman]

Looks like we will have a new speaker this afternoon. The process was embarrassing, but necessary. Hopefully Trump can keep his mouth shut and Johnson can tighten up the ranks on the R side of the aisle.

[paulxu]

Define Senior.

Air Force General quoted in the article above.

[bjf123]

Looks like we will have a new speaker this afternoon. The process was embarrassing, but necessary. Hopefully Trump can keep his mouth shut and Johnson can tighten up the ranks on the R side of the aisle.

I’ll believe it when I see the puff of white smoke from the Capitol building.


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[Xville]

Looks like we will have a new speaker this afternoon. The process was embarrassing, but necessary. Hopefully Trump can keep his mouth shut and Johnson can tighten up the ranks on the R side of the aisle.

necessary? what's necessary about it?

I know very little about this guy, but a Trump ally and election denier doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

[Masterofreality]

Air Force General quoted in the article above.

Is He/She/We/They Non Binary??

[Xuperman]

necessary? what's necessary about it?

I know very little about this guy, but a Trump ally and election denier doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

Because the House majority is so slim. It became evident, McCarthy could not be trusted to produce enough votes from his members to pass key legislation.

[Xville]

Because the House majority is so slim. It became evident, McCarthy could not be trusted to produce enough votes from his members to pass key legislation.

understood. Let's be honest though...nothing is going to be passed anyways with the Senate and POTUS in place.

[xuwillie]

necessary? what's necessary about it?

I know very little about this guy, but a Trump ally and election denier doesn't give me warm fuzzies.

Like Paul you probably like Jeffries though

[Xville]

Like Paul you probably like Jeffries though

based on what?

[GoMuskies]

I liked the idea of one Republican voting for Jeffries just as a warning shot over the bow to the rest of the party. Get serious and pick someone that 217 can at worst hold their nose and vote for, or THAT might happen.

[paulxu]

Johnson led the fight to vote against certifying the election of 2020 in the House, and supported an amicus brief to the SC to do just that.
That should get him the votes from the crazies to swing this deal.

[paulxu]

Is He/She/We/They Non Binary??

Why do you care?

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108818/mark-d-kelly/

[Xuperman]

understood. Let's be honest though...nothing is going to be passed anyways with the Senate and POTUS in place.

That's true, but take a moment to think about spending bills.

[Strange Brew]

Air Force General quoted in the article above.

Maybe the senior leaders should change their policy to get the promotions going again? Especially since the policy has nothing to do with military operations. Just a thought.

[GoMuskies]

The voting for Johnson is underway.

86 for 86 so far. Looks like Republicans have their guy.

[GoMuskies]

Mike Johnson of Louisiana has it.

[STL_XUfan]

Mike Johnson of Louisiana has it.

Did they change the rule about vacating the chair? If not, how long does he have it? Over/Under November 18th?

[bobbiemcgee]

Wonder if he will deny his own election.

[Masterofreality]

Why do you care?

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108818/mark-d-kelly/

Just asking to check on our Military Readiness. We’re about to start WW3 you know, because Biden’s screwed things up so badly.

[94GRAD]

Wonder if he will deny his own election.

Public reps since the man is keeping me down!

[Masterofreality]

From Johnson’s Bio:

“ 20 years successfully litigating high profile constitutional law cases in district and appellate courts nationwide and is widely recognized as a leading defender of the right to life, religious liberty, free speech, the Second Amendment and free market principles."

Sounds just great to me.

[Xville]

Another mass shooting---16 people dead. This time by a guy who had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks earlier this year and was hearing voices.

When is it time for our stupid politicians to fix some of the mental health issues in our country?

[Xville]

From Johnson’s Bio:

“ 20 years successfully litigating high profile constitutional law cases in district and appellate courts nationwide and is widely recognized as a leading defender of the right to life, religious liberty, free speech, the Second Amendment and free market principles."

Sounds just great to me.

except that he stands for everything that is wrong with the extremist side of the republican party. but yeah, other than that, he's great.

[xukeith]

except that he stands for everything that is wrong with the extremist side of the republican party. but yeah, other than that, he's great.

Chopping 7,8, and 9 month unborn babies is normal?

Allowing babies to be born and if not wanted it is normal to throw a living baby in garbage?

[Xville]

Chopping 7,8, and 9 month unborn babies is normal?

Allowing babies to be born and if not wanted it is normal to throw a living baby in garbage?

You may have misunderstood me, and maybe I didn’t communicate well enough.

What I am referring to are his views on the electoral college, 2020 election, same sex marriage, women and essentially anyone that isn’t a white male.

[94GRAD]

You may have misunderstood me, and maybe I didn’t communicate well enough.

What I am referring to are his views on the electoral college, 2020 election, same sex marriage, women and essentially anyone that isn’t a white male.

But other than those things, he seems great. /sarcasm

[MADXSTER]

Serious question. How long should a politician be held accountable for his words, actions or political position? Meaning if he/she said something 20-25 years ago, how much weight or value do you put behind it.

I have always gone with no more than 15 years. If Biden or Trump or whomever said or did something 30 years ago, I don't even consider it worthy of my attention because people change. We all change and hopefully become wiser through our experiences.

[Xville]

Serious question. How long should a politician be held accountable for his words, actions or political position? Meaning if he/she said something 20-25 years ago, how much weight or value do you put behind it.

I have always gone with no more than 15 years. If Biden or Trump or whomever said or did something 30 years ago, I don't even consider it worthy of my attention because people change. We all change and hopefully become wiser through our experiences.

I think it depends on what he/she said or did. Just like most things in life, I think there is a lot of gray...why do you ask?

[bobbiemcgee]

Another mass shooting---16 people dead. This time by a guy who had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks earlier this year and was hearing voices.

When is it time for our stupid politicians to fix some of the mental health issues in our country?
Looks like he had an exit plan and probably a excellent shot. Look for a standoff

[Xuperman]

You may have misunderstood me, and maybe I didn’t communicate well enough.

What I am referring to are his views on the electoral college, 2020 election, same sex marriage, women and essentially anyone that isn’t a white male.



Shed some light on why you think Johnson is racist.

I didn't know much at all about this guy, but Hannity's lengthy interview last night with him was impressive. He is a classic southern man of God, so you get everything that is expected from that, which irritates a lot of people on social issues. His staunch conservatism on everything else is far more important.

BTW, if you want real racism on full display......look no further than the Democrat Party and the groups that support them.

[Xville]

Shed some light on why you think Johnson is racist.

I didn't know much at all about this guy, but Hannity's lengthy interview last night with him was impressive. He is a classic southern man of God, so you get everything that is expected from that, which irritates a lot of people on social issues. His staunch conservatism on everything else is far more important.

BTW, if you want real racism on full display......look no further than the Democrat Party and the groups that support them.

I never said he was racist, but you’re right, I should have said hetero male instead.

While I agree that policy is more important when it comes to politics, I also don’t want someone in a position of power that denies elections and denies certain things for people just because of what gender they want to f.

[Xuperman]

Ok, because the Google machine didn't produce anything racist on him.

Speaking of, one of the most fascinating things in American politics is the never ending drum beat on how Republicans are racists. POLITICAL racism comes in the form of policies and agendas that hurt minorities. You know, the kind of Democrat/Progressive stuff that produces horrific public schools, single parent families and generational government dependence.

[Xville]

Ok, because the Google machine didn't produce anything racist on him.

Speaking of, one of the most fascinating things in American politics is the never ending drum beat on how Republicans are racists. POLITICAL racism comes in the form of policies and agendas that hurt minorities. You know, the kind of Democrat/Progressive stuff that produces horrific public schools, single parent families and generational government dependence.

Ok, I dunno why you are going off on some kind of tangent about political parties. I was talking about a singular person, Johnson.

If he was a democrat, I’d feel the same way about him. I’m not in the business of blaming an entire party for all of life’s troubles. There is plenty of blame to go around.

[Xuperman]

Just thinking out loud on my keyboard.

[xuphan]

Another mass shooting---16 people dead. This time by a guy who had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks earlier this year and was hearing voices.

When is it time for our stupid politicians to fix some of the mental health issues in our country?

How exactly do you go about addressing the mental health issues in this country? Mental health is a major plague on this society but the resources need to appropriately address it won’t be coming from Washington anytime soon or ever. They won’t want to fund it. No matter how many people die from overdoses, suicide, shootings, etc. It’s money over people in this society.

[STL_XUfan]

So honest question, should we sell this god damn railroad or not? Both sides arguments are very convincing to me.

[X-band '01]

I don't live directly in the City of Cincinnati, so I wouldn't be voting on it. I'd probably be in the "seems too good to be true" camp on this one.

[Masterofreality]

How exactly do you go about addressing the mental health issues in this country? Mental health is a major plague on this society but the resources need to appropriately address it won’t be coming from Washington anytime soon or ever. They won’t want to fund it. No matter how many people die from overdoses, suicide, shootings, etc. It’s money over people in this society.

Like all this money being sent overseas. :-(

[xuphan]

Like all this money being sent overseas. :-(

Ya, all this money sent to Ukraine, Israel, Iran for nuclear deal, etc. when our own people are dying as the result of mental health problems. Think what would happen if the government actually used that money for their own people. Though you would have to trust those funds would actually go towards mental health and not be funneled to other political projects.

[Xuperman]

How exactly do you go about addressing the mental health issues in this country? Mental health is a major plague on this society but the resources need to appropriately address it won’t be coming from Washington anytime soon or ever. They won’t want to fund it. No matter how many people die from overdoses, suicide, shootings, etc. It’s money over people in this society.

Even if the funds were available, spend it on what? There is only 1 way to address this problem in the now.....return to the mid 20th century Mental Institution system. However, the legal hurdles would make that impossible.

Unfortunately folks, the source of this madness is entirely caused by the cultural rot we are living in.

[Xville]

Even if the funds were available, spend it on what? There is only 1 way to address this problem in the now.....return to the mid 20th century Mental Institution system. However, the legal hurdles would make that impossible.

Unfortunately folks, the source of this madness is entirely caused by the cultural rot we are living in.

Sorry but this is incredibly shortsighted. There is a lot that can done. Without going into a long diatribe. Here are things that can be done:

1. Fund mental health institutions properly.
2. Make getting the proper help affordable. It’s incredibly expensive and rarely covered by insurance.
3. Stop the obsession with guns in this country. We are the only civilized society with the obsession. Do something sensible to quell this at least a small amount.
4. Overhaul our pharmacy institution. It’s full of corruption. Fix it.

[Xuperman]

Sorry but this is incredibly shortsighted. There is a lot that can done. Without going into a long diatribe. Here are things that can be done:

1. Fund mental health institutions properly.
2. Make getting the proper help affordable. It’s incredibly expensive and rarely covered by insurance.
3. Stop the obsession with guns in this country. We are the only civilized society with the obsession. Do something sensible to quell this at least a small amount.
4. Overhaul our pharmacy institution. It’s full of corruption. Fix it.

Yeah, 1 and 2 would be money well spent, opposed to doing nothing. Would be hard to know if it would actually prevent any of these incidents. 3-4 related, but different conversation.

All I am saying is, if someone is known to have intentions of shooting up someplace, they should be incarcerated and treated until that person could be safely released and monitored. That would 100%, for sure, prevent some of this madness.

[Xville]

Yeah, 1 and 2 would be money well spent, opposed to doing nothing. Would be hard to know if it would actually prevent any of these incidents. 3-4 related, but different conversation.

All I am saying is, if someone is known to have intentions of shooting up someplace, they should be incarcerated and treated until that person could be safely released and monitored. That would 100%, for sure, prevent some of this madness.

Fair. I don’t know the circumstances but I saw he was at a place for two weeks earlier this year. I wonder what happened after that? Why only two weeks? Money? Who knows but obviously whatever we are doing isn’t working.

This is like third or fourth hand even but a client of my wife has a friend in the reserves and was in the same reserve with this guy years and years ago. The friend said this guy was “nuts” then.

Our “system” is failing and no one in charge really seems to give a f

[Strange Brew]

Sorry but this is incredibly shortsighted. There is a lot that can done. Without going into a long diatribe. Here are things that can be done:

1. Fund mental health institutions properly.
2. Make getting the proper help affordable. It’s incredibly expensive and rarely covered by insurance.
3. Stop the obsession with guns in this country. We are the only civilized society with the obsession. Do something sensible to quell this at least a small amount.
4. Overhaul our pharmacy institution. It’s full of corruption. Fix it.

What? No mask mandates this time?
What is the pharmacy institution? Is it like the healthcare industrial complex?

On #3. Propose an Amendment or twiddle your thumbs.

Emotional arguments deserve irrational responses.

[X-band '01]

Guess we're not seeing Mike Pence at the next Republican debate. Mother told him to come home.

[Strange Brew]

Guess we're not seeing Mike Pence at the next Republican debate. Mother told him to come home.

Haha, does she have warm milk?

[Xville]

What? No mask mandates this time?
What is the pharmacy institution? Is it like the healthcare industrial complex?

On #3. Propose an Amendment or twiddle your thumbs.

Emotional arguments deserve irrational responses.

Wtf are you talking about? Emotional arguments? Not really. Pharmacy institution is pretty simple. At every single step from the script being written to you getting the actual script there is profit and corruption built in to every step of the process. I work in the health care industry, it’s scary what isn’t illegal when it comes to drugs and the process in this country.

Guns—-it’s pretty simple. Sensible gun legislation. you don’t need an amendment for that. You need to get the nra out of Washington.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Xville;768611]Wtf are you talking about? Emotional arguments? Not really. Pharmacy institution is pretty simple. At every single step from the script being written to you getting the actual script there is profit and corruption built in to every step of the process. I work in the health care industry, it’s scary what isn’t illegal when it comes to drugs and the process in this country.

:). Idiot

Edit: I guess I’m now your next target.

[bjf123]

Wtf are you talking about? Emotional arguments? Not really. Pharmacy institution is pretty simple. At every single step from the script being written to you getting the actual script there is profit and corruption built in to every step of the process. I work in the health care industry, it’s scary what isn’t illegal when it comes to drugs and the process in this country.

Agreed. They really need to make the PBMs (pharmacy benefit managers) go away. They just add unnecessary complications and costs to the process. The consumer ends paying a lot more than would be necessary without them.


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[Xville]

[QUOTE=Xville;768611]Wtf are you talking about? Emotional arguments? Not really. Pharmacy institution is pretty simple. At every single step from the script being written to you getting the actual script there is profit and corruption built in to every step of the process. I work in the health care industry, it’s scary what isn’t illegal when it comes to drugs and the process in this country.

:). Idiot

Edit: I guess I’m now your next target.

So because you disagree with something I guess, you call me an idiot and I’m the one with the emotional argument? Ok

[Xville]

Agreed. They really need to make the PBMs (pharmacy benefit managers) go away. They just add unnecessary complications and costs to the process. The consumer ends paying a lot more than would be necessary without them.


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Yep that’s certainly one significant part of the shit show. Gotta love that the big three are owned by the carriers themselves.

[bjf123]

This is a great example of why it’s almost impossible to believe new reports,, especially those of fast breaking stories.

https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote


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[Strange Brew]

This is a great example of why it’s almost impossible to believe new reports,, especially those of fast breaking stories.

https://www.silentlunch.net/p/did-the-entire-media-industry-misquote


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Dude, Hamas misfired. It’s really not that difficult.

[bjf123]

You clearly missed the point of the article. Just about every media outlet around the world was reporting 500 people killed in the Gaza hospital “attack” with zero fact checking or sourcing of the data.


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[Strange Brew]

You clearly missed the point of the article. Just about every media outlet around the world was reporting 500 people killed in the Gaza hospital “attack” with zero fact checking or sourcing of the data.


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You have clearly missed the point.

[bjf123]

You have clearly missed the point.

Enlighten me. It was a Hamas misfire. It was not reported as such. What have I missed?


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[paulxu]

The Speaker of the House does not have a bank or savings account.

That seems a little different.

[94GRAD]

The Speaker of the House does not have a bank or savings account.

That seems a little different.

How in the hell does he pay his bills?

[X-band '01]

Is he all-in on crypto?

[GoMuskies]

I read he had a bank account with $5k in it.

Seems refreshing compared to the Speaker we had for a number of years. Rhymed with Velosi, I think.

[paulxu]

I don't think he even listed any assets on his federal filing since arriving.

The Daily Beast reports that in financial disclosures dating back to 2016, the year he joined Congress, Johnson never reported having a savings or checking account in his name, his spouse’s name, or in the name of any of his children. In his latest filing, which covers last year, he doesn’t list a single asset either. Which, given that he made more than $200,000 last year—in addition to his wife’s salary—is more than a little odd.

Just odd. But whatever.
I wish he wasn't tying Israel aid to cutting IRS auditing. The latter is proving to be a real win, with lots of overdue monies being collected.

[STL_XUfan]

I read he had a bank account with $5k in it.

Seems refreshing compared to the Speaker we had for a number of years. Rhymed with Velosi, I think.

Unless his financial advisor is Bob Menendez.

[xuphan]

I read he had a bank account with $5k in it.

Seems refreshing compared to the Speaker we had for a number of years. Rhymed with Velosi, I think.

Term limits!

[Masterofreality]

Egyptian prime minister Mostafa Madbouly said Egypt was “prepared to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory,” dismissing requests for the settlement of Palestinian refugees in Egypt.

Interesting that the neighboring country of Egypt has a clearer perspective on the Palestinians than the woke Democrats and college campus protesters.
Meanwhile our Southern Border remains wide open thanks to one Joseph Biden.
Insanity rules.

[xuphan]

Egyptian prime minister Mostafa Madbouly said Egypt was “prepared to sacrifice millions of lives to ensure that no one encroaches upon our territory,” dismissing requests for the settlement of Palestinian refugees in Egypt.

Interesting that the neighboring country of Egypt has a clearer perspective on the Palestinians than the woke Democrats and college campus protesters.
Meanwhile our Southern Border remains wide open thanks to one Joseph Biden.
Insanity rules.

Hopefully the Republicans nominate a half decent candidate or we may very well be looking at another 4 years of open borders.

[Strange Brew]

The Speaker of the House does not have a bank or savings account.

That seems a little different.

Paul, what are your thoughts on the House, in a bi-partisan manner I might add, passed a funding bill today? Will you blame Schumer if he doesn’t bring it to the floor?

On another note. In what country do we live in which “The Daily Beast” has access to the personal bank records of anyone they choose? If that’s a real story. :)

[paulxu]

I think reducing the IRS funding was a mistake. It pays for itself in recovered monies owed and better service.
Assume they don’t care about that in making points with the MAGA crowd they scared with bogus news stories.
As for the Speaker’s finances, all federally elected officials (and others) file financial disclosure forms.
Even you can go look them up.

[Strange Brew]

I think reducing the IRS funding was a mistake. It pays for itself in recovered monies owed and better service.
Assume they don’t care about that in making points with the MAGA crowd they scared with bogus news stories.
As for the Speaker’s finances, all federally elected officials (and others) file financial disclosure forms.
Even you can go look them up.

Why do you think reducing the the services of the IRS (which haven’t yet been implemented, that’s a lot of hiring) outweigh the support of an ally? Remember, Ukraine is not part of NATO.

Sure they do and I’m not going to believe “The Daily Beast” and neither should you.

Interesting that no one seemed to care how Pelosi made her millions. Wouldn’t you agree Paul?

[paulxu]

You want the IRS and Israel aid to be a trade off. I don't think they need to be.
The IRS funding was to stretch out over a decade (conveniently not reported by the right). And the increased funding has already paid off in increased back tax payments collected. Modernization of the service, including more e-filing, will also occur.


CBO estimates that portions of the Administration's proposal to increase funding for the IRS by $80 billion over the 2022–2031 period would increase revenues by approximately $200 billion over those 10 years

You don't have to believe the Daily Beast. You can look it up yourself.
Pelosi reported her assets and required finances. It seems Thomas did not. Wouldn't you agree Strange?

[bjf123]

At least the Republicans are trying to offset increased spending with matching cuts elsewhere in this case, instead of the traditional method of just borrowing more. Congress should do this on a lot more spending. The Democrats never do. The Republicans talk about it, but tend not to do it either.


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[Masterofreality]

This is what a faction of the Democratic Party supports.. along with their progressive elite college students and *some to most* administrators.
Well done AntiSemites!!!

” Here is Ghazi Hamad, of Hamas’s political bureau, on Lebanese TV on October 24: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove that country. . . . We are not afraid to say this with full force. . . . We must teach Israel a lesson and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa flood is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. . . . We are called a nation of martyrs and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.” The television interviewer asks: “Does that mean the annihilation of Israel?” Response from Hamas chief: “Yes of course. The existence of Israel is illogical”

Note: ZERO Republicans, you know, “The Nazis”, support this.

[Xville]

At least the Republicans are trying to offset increased spending with matching cuts elsewhere in this case, instead of the traditional method of just borrowing more. Congress should do this on a lot more spending. The Democrats never do. The Republicans talk about it, but tend not to do it either.


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While I agree that government needs to cut wasteful spending, in this case all this is doing is creating another congressional pissing match and delaying needed funds.

[STL_XUfan]

At least the Republicans are trying to offset increased spending with matching cuts elsewhere in this case, instead of the traditional method of just borrowing more. Congress should do this on a lot more spending. The Democrats never do. The Republicans talk about it, but tend not to do it either.


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Also it appears that those cuts will end up costing more than they save, as they are cutting it from the part of the government that generates the revenue.

[UCGRAD4X]

This is what a faction of the Democratic Party supports.. along with their progressive elite college students and *some to most* administrators.
Well done AntiSemites!!!

” Here is Ghazi Hamad, of Hamas’s political bureau, on Lebanese TV on October 24: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove that country. . . . We are not afraid to say this with full force. . . . We must teach Israel a lesson and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa flood is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. . . . We are called a nation of martyrs and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.” The television interviewer asks: “Does that mean the annihilation of Israel?” Response from Hamas chief: “Yes of course. The existence of Israel is illogical”

Note: ZERO Republicans, you know, “The Nazis”, support this.

Annihilation of the Jewish race indeed was a stated goal of the Nazis. Comparisons to Nazis is usually hyperbole (like pro-life people or conservatives in general). In this case, it is not.

I wonder how many of the average citizen in Gaza are proud to be sacrificed as martyrs.

[noteggs]

While I agree that government needs to cut wasteful spending, in this case all this is doing is creating another congressional pissing match and delaying needed funds.

Get your point but when do start? Pubs have been bitching about too much spending for years and haven’t done a damn thing. On the other side, they think all spending is much needed.

Honestly when it comes to overall and packaged spending, this is where I don’t mind the pissing matches. I think it is refreshing to take up one spending bill at a time. It’s about time we get away from omni/minibus spending. Yes I know this different from international aide, but again got to start somewhere.

[paulxu]

The publisher of Mark Meadows's book is suing the former White House chief of staff, arguing in court filings Friday morning that he violated an agreement with All Seasons Press by including false statements about former President Trump's claims surrounding the 2020 election.

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4292647-mark-meadows-sued-by-book-publisher-over-false-election-claims/

Do you suppose that all the people who sent the last guy millions of dollars because he lied that the election was stolen, could sue to get their money back?

[Smails]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4292647-mark-meadows-sued-by-book-publisher-over-false-election-claims/

Do you suppose that all the people who sent the last guy millions of dollars because he lied that the election was stolen, could sue to get their money back?

Yeah Paul..let's have everyone sue politicians for donations when it's uncovered that they lied. Sounds like a bullet proof plan. Pretty stale take, even for you.

[paulxu]

It was just a thought. Spurred by the fact Meadow's publisher is suing HIM.

That's not something you see everyday in the publishing world.

[UCGRAD4X]

Yeah Paul..let's have everyone sue politicians for donations when it's uncovered that they lied. Sounds like a bullet proof plan. Pretty stale take, even for you.


It was just a thought. Spurred by the fact Meadow's publisher is suing HIM.

That's not something you see everyday in the publishing world.

I think Smails point was that you chose this particular incident shows your ongoing "stale" obsession.

[paulxu]

Am I worried about a repeat performance by the multiply indicted candidate?
Absolutely. Scares the shit out of me for what would happen to our country, and I can't understand (absent the normal fascist following of a make believe strong man) how a major party has that person leading to be their candidate.

But, I've also never heard of a publisher suing a writer for lying in his book. Maybe it happens often, but not that I know of.
Now, someone suing the author about something the author wrote in a book about that someone...yes, that happens.

This sort of typifies everything about the prior administration and their constant BS that continues even today.

[GoMuskies]

Seems like a pretty embarrassing legal argument. I mean, you're the publisher.

[noteggs]

Well done Bill Mahr

https://x.com/billmaher/status/1720656399414473213?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[MADXSTER]

For those who have never seen this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

[xuphan]

For those who have never seen this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q

He has been in congress for 16+ years. Another example of the need for term limits.

[bjf123]

Well done Bill Mahr

https://x.com/billmaher/status/1720656399414473213?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

Well said, Bill. Every college student needs to watch this and attempt to understand it (which I seriously doubt is possible). Of course, he has to get in a little dig right at the end.


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[Masterofreality]

Am I worried about a repeat performance by the multiply indicted candidate?
Absolutely.

Ummmm, there is a two step process for that to happen. Did you not learn Civics?
The “Candidate” just can’t achieve power in the United States by mysterious osmosis.
1) The Candidate has to earn the nomination of a party or become qualified on ballots of 50 States.
2) Such Candidate must earn enough electoral votes to become elected.

If YOUR party has enough good ideas and a quality, non dementia ridden candidate, you should not be worried. The American People are smart.

It seems as if you are worried about your own party philosophy and Candidate more than anything else.

[paulxu]

As I often note, and repetition is the mother of learning, I'm worried about the other party who has given a person convicted of sexual assault, and currently under indictment, what seems to be a insurmountable lead for their nomination. I hope that isn't the case.

As for my party, the accomplishments for regular Americans in lowering drug costs, investing in an actual infrastructure plan (rather than talking about if for years), with low unemployment and falling interest rates...I think they'll be alright. Many challenges ahead, at home and abroad, but I rather them handling it than a wanna be dictator and his sycophants in Congress who are afraid of his MAGA followers and their cult.

[Uncle Joe]

As I often note, and repetition is the mother of learning, I'm worried about the other party who has given a person convicted of sexual assault, and currently under indictment, what seems to be a insurmountable lead for their nomination. I hope that isn't the case.

As for my party, the accomplishments for regular Americans in lowering drug costs, investing in an actual infrastructure plan (rather than talking about if for years), with low unemployment and falling interest rates...I think they'll be alright. Many challenges ahead, at home and abroad, but I rather them handling it than a wanna be dictator and his sycophants in Congress who are afraid of his MAGA followers and their cult.

It must really suck to be trapped behind enemy lines down there in SC.

Do you think you would be safer in Gaza?

[Xville]

As I often note, and repetition is the mother of learning, I'm worried about the other party who has given a person convicted of sexual assault, and currently under indictment, what seems to be a insurmountable lead for their nomination. I hope that isn't the case.

As for my party, the accomplishments for regular Americans in lowering drug costs, investing in an actual infrastructure plan (rather than talking about if for years), with low unemployment and falling interest rates...I think they'll be alright. Many challenges ahead, at home and abroad, but I rather them handling it than a wanna be dictator and his sycophants in Congress who are afraid of his MAGA followers and their cult.

Neither party has any interest in lowering drug costs. Biggest scam in today’s America.

You have stated you’d vote a dementia patient over Haley. You may be part of the problem just as much as any trump voter.

[bobbiemcgee]

With trump's recent comments, it's hard to discern who is the bigger dementia patient. He keeps referring to Biden as Obama and thinks Biden is leading us to WWII. LOL. Also sez now Mexico will NOT pay for the wall. Duh.

[Xville]

With trump's recent comments, it's hard to discern who is the bigger dementia patient. He keeps referring to Biden as Obama and thinks Biden is leading us to WWII. LOL. Also sez now Mexico will NOT pay for the wall. Duh.

Fair regarding the dementia patient comment. ThatÂ’s why we as a country need to demand better candidates on both sides. I donÂ’t know who really would be good on the dem side but Haley is an excellent candidate for the republicans. I mean can we have one election where I donÂ’t feel like vomiting if either of them win? I donÂ’t think thatÂ’s much to ask.

[GoMuskies]

We wasted all the decent (not even good, but decent) candidates in 2008 and 2012. Obama was fine, and Romney and McCain also would have been fine. It's been all downhill since then.

[Uncle Joe]

Soooooo, Nikki Haley is a major pro-lifer; is against DEI; is against normalization of transgenderism, especially concerning men playing in women's sports, and bathrooms in schools. She believes that marriage is between one man and one woman. She's in favor of expanding charter schools. Haley also wants to make concealed weapon permits easier.

Aren't these are all social issues?

I thought social issues were verboten among some on this board???

Uh oh, maybe I shouldn't of mentioned this. It could be akin to informing those pro-Palestinian insurrectionists that Russia supports Hamas!!

[Xville]

Hi lou errrr uncle Joe! no one has said they are verboten.

Haley isn’t a perfect candidate, I’m never going to agree with a candidate on everything. I don’t like her view on guns for one but my guess is if she won the nomination, she’d ease on that in the general. She is my favorite based on the pool of candidates available. She’s pragmatic, has both domestic and foreign experience, tough but seems willing to reach across the aisle as needed.

I agree with her on pro-life but she’s also not someone who rams stuff down people’s throats based on what she believes like some on the right and left do. In fact, she said on the abortion issue to stop demonizing women, which I can appreciate.

I’d like someone in office with some common sense. That’s been lacking for a very long time in that seat and she seems to have it in spades

[Uncle Joe]

https://www.ontheissues.org/nikki_haley.htm

[paulxu]

Covenant Eyes. Really?

[GoMuskies]

You have an issue with a parent monitoring their minor son's Internet usage?

[Masterofreality]

Covenant Eyes. Really?


You have an issue with a parent monitoring their minor son's Internet usage?

Eric Swalwell, who was on the Intelligence Committee and married, sleeping with Feng Feng a Chinese Spy, Really?
If you are fine with this Swalwell activity, and not a parent monitoring their minor kid’s behavior online, then you are morally bankrupt. Just as Lefties are.
And yessir. THAT is personal.

[paulxu]

You have an issue with a parent monitoring their minor son's Internet usage?

It appears to work both ways. So, the son gets a full report on everything that happens on his dad's devices; and they pay for this app each month.
I think that would raise some security concerns given his position in the government.

[paulxu]

Swalwell confirmed that the FBI informed him that he was targeted by a Chinese intelligence operative but he was clear that he cooperated with law enforcement immediately and stressed that he was never accused of wrongdoing.


“The bipartisan House Ethics Committee had this case for over two years. They had the power of subpoena. They received answers from me in response to requests for information. Today, they are closing this matter and did not make a finding of any wrongdoing,” Swalwell wrote.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4018047-house-ethics-concludes-swalwell-probe-into-link-to-chinese-spy-taking-no-action/

The smear did work though on some people.