Politics Thread

[Muskie in dayton]

just because trump got more votes, doesn’t mean he was electable. He, in fact, wasn’t. Moderates didn’t vote for him, they voted against him. He got more backwoods idiots to vote for him.

Any other Republican would have easily beaten the corpse, just like next year.
So wait, are you saying that a greater portion of the basket of deplorables voted in 2020 than in 2016?

[Xville]

So wait, are you saying that a greater portion of the basket of deplorables voted in 2020 than in 2016?

Let’s use some common sense. Do you think it’s more likely that more moderates voted for trump in 2020 or more disciples? You go back to that time and Biden was more electable than Hillary..now it’s probably neck and neck lol

The moderate voting block in “battleground” states win elections. Trump lost most of that vote in ‘20

[Strange Brew]

Let’s use some common sense. Do you think it’s more likely that more moderates voted for trump in 2020 or more disciples? You go back to that time and Biden was more electable than Hillary..now it’s probably neck and neck lol

The moderate voting block in “battleground” states win elections. Trump lost most of that vote in ‘20

I’m really hoping Trump runs next year as it will be fun to watch you implode.

[Xville]

I’m really hoping Trump runs next year as it will be fun to watch you implode.

He is running dipshit.

Yeah you should want trump v Biden again over what’s best for our country. Twat.

Don’t you have some lawyering to do? Hahahaha

[xuphan]

He is running dipshit.

Yeah you should want trump v Biden again over what’s best for our country. Twat.

Don’t you have some lawyering to do? Hahahaha

Man, what I would do for a John McCain type presidential run right now. Too bad he isn’t still around especially during this toxic political climate. I remember during I believe one of his town halls when someone from the audience said Obama was bad because he is Arab and McCain shot her down quickly saying that he may differ from Obama with his ideas but Obama is a good person and that it wasn’t appropriate what she said. Something most politicians now would applaud that audience person for the hate. He always put his morals and country ahead of his party. Something this country definitely needs right now.

[Strange Brew]

He is running dipshit.

Yeah you should want trump v Biden again over what’s best for our country. Twat.

Don’t you have some lawyering to do? Hahahaha

Oh, I know and it’s going to be funny watching the meltdowns.

[Strange Brew]

Man, what I would do for a John McCain type presidential run right now. Too bad he isn’t still around especially during this toxic political climate. I remember during I believe one of his town halls when someone from the audience said Obama was bad because he is Arab and McCain shot her down quickly saying that he may differ from Obama with his ideas but Obama is a good person and that it wasn’t appropriate what she said. Something most politicians now would applaud that audience person for the hate. He always put his morals and country ahead of his party. Something this country definitely needs right now.

McCain was great however the idiots voted for someone else.

I’m not really sure Barry is a good person.

[Xville]

Oh, I know and it’s going to be funny watching the meltdowns.

Well the good news for you is that you live in America, so you are allowed to have those opinions no matter how stupid they are.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump gaffes calling Biden obama 3x. Who needs memory help?:chokeout: Also said Obama is leading us to WwII.Think we settled that 80 years ago.

[MADXSTER]

Does anyone else here like Tulsi Gabbard? I do.

[GoMuskies]

Does anyone else here like Tulsi Gabbard? I do.

Yes. I like Andrew Yang, too.

In Jeopardy, if they were the answer, the question would be: "Who are two people that will never be elected to office again?" I would also accept "Who are two people who have never been in my kitchen?"

[Masterofreality]

Does anyone else here like Tulsi Gabbard? I do.

Yup. And she’s Red Hot too. Red being the operative word.

[paulxu]

A brief recap of where we have been:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/opinion/economic-conservatives-extremism.html

[xuphan]

A brief recap of where we have been:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/18/opinion/economic-conservatives-extremism.html

Nothing worse than a paywall article. Can you copy/paste it in the chat Paul?

[X-band '01]

Just a summary will suffice. I don't condone copy/pasting articles like that. Don't want to see Muskie and the suits get in trouble.

[94GRAD]

Nothing worse than a paywall article. Can you copy/paste it in the chat Paul?

From the guy that won't chip in $12 a year to help keep this site up. No he can't, The paywall is there to help pay the people writing articles!

[UCGRAD4X]

From the guy that won't chip in $12 a year to help keep this site up. No he can't, The paywall is there to help pay the people writing articles!

103 users online

6 are members

:eek:

[xuphan]

Just a summary will suffice. I don't condone copy/pasting articles like that. Don't want to see Muskie and the suits get in trouble.

As long as it is an accurate summary and not spinned one way or the other.

[xuphan]

103 users online

6 are members

:eek:

I wonder why that is?

[Smails]

As long as it is an accurate summary and not spinned one way or the other.

It's an op-ed by Paul Krugman...you don't have to read it. GOP bad...Orange Man bad

[paulxu]

Apologies. I don’t have a NYT subscription, but linked to the article from another site.
Since it let me read the whole article, I thought it might have been a free one. Sorry.

[UCGRAD4X]

I wonder why that is?

Are you seriously wondering or do you have an actual opinion?

[xuphan]

Are you seriously wondering or do you have an actual opinion?

I have been heckled by a few on here about not “supporting” the site by paying $12 dollars a year yet it seems most people on here do not “support” the website. I am wondering why only a handful out of the 100 or so regulars support the site. I have my opinions but I was curious about why others do not?

[bobbiemcgee]

Simple. The website costs money and to tell the truth is probably is subsidized by Muskie. Many more members on board during actual basketball season. Muskie provided a much needed outlet for the tremendous interest in X basketball. Two cups at Starbucks. Don,t be a cheap bastard o just go to another free site like musketeer madness.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yup. And she’s Red Hot too. Red being the operative word.

She's a communist? Lol

[94GRAD]

Simple. The website costs money and to tell the truth is probably is subsidized by Muskie. Many more members on board during actual basketball season. Muskie provided a much needed outlet for the tremendous interest in X basketball. Two cups at Starbucks. Don,t be a cheap bastard o just go to another free site like musketeer madness.

Public and private reps!!!

[X-band '01]

Maybe he's afraid of subsidizing the Xavier Politics Forum where basketball is just a masquerade?

[Masterofreality]

Simple. The website costs money and to tell the truth is probably is subsidized by Muskie. Many more members on board during actual basketball season. Muskie provided a much needed outlet for the tremendous interest in X basketball. Two cups at Starbucks. Don,t be a cheap bastard o just go to another free site like musketeer madness.

On this we agree!!!

[paulxu]

Say what you will about Pelosi. But she knew how to manage her caucus, and get the important work of government done.
Even some Republicans understand that. If the only way to keep the doors open is to get some reasonable R's to join with D's to pass a budget, that would probably cost McCarthy his speakership.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/goper-praises-pelosis-leadership-as-mccarthy-lets-himself-be-held-hostage-by-far-right

[Strange Brew]

Say what you will about Pelosi. But she knew how to manage her caucus, and get the important work of government done.
Even some Republicans understand that. If the only way to keep the doors open is to get some reasonable R's to join with D's to pass a budget, that would probably cost McCarthy his speakership.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/goper-praises-pelosis-leadership-as-mccarthy-lets-himself-be-held-hostage-by-far-right

Hope Tim enjoyed his time as a member of Congress. :)

[paulxu]

Hah! At 68-32 in Tennessee, he's probably safe.

[Strange Brew]

Hah! At 68-32 in Tennessee, he's probably safe.

Maybe. Depends how many East Coasters continue to flood there to escape the nonsense policies.

How about this Paul? Not another dime in Foreign Aid of any kind until our, the US border and sovereignty are restored.

[STL_XUfan]

Maybe. Depends how many East Coasters continue to flood there to escape the nonsense policies.

How about this Paul? Not another dime in Foreign Aid of any kind until our, the US border and sovereignty are restored.
I think this would have quite the opposite effect.

[Strange Brew]

I think this would have quite the opposite effect.

On the border?

Why? We spend billions and people are flooding in now. Are you seriously saying if we give more people will stop coming? Obviously, by what is happening that is flawed thinking.

[bobbiemcgee]

On the border?

Why? We spend billions and people are flooding in now. Are you seriously saying if we give more people will stop coming? Obviously, by what is happening that is flawed thinking.

Maybe you can schuss over there and straighten them out.

[GoMuskies]

This Menendez guy from NJ is apparently very, very stupid.

[paulxu]

This Menendez guy from NJ is apparently very, very stupid.

No kidding. He skated the first time and you would think he'd know they'd be following him.
Sort of puts to bed the whole nonsense of the DOJ being weaponized against R's.

[Strange Brew]

Sort of puts to bed the whole nonsense of the DOJ being weaponized against R's.

What a coincidence…(rolleyes)

[xuphan]

Say what you will about Pelosi. But she knew how to manage her caucus, and get the important work of government done.
Even some Republicans understand that. If the only way to keep the doors open is to get some reasonable R's to join with D's to pass a budget, that would probably cost McCarthy his speakership.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/goper-praises-pelosis-leadership-as-mccarthy-lets-himself-be-held-hostage-by-far-right

Yet, these idiots in Washington will still get paid when they shut the government down at the end of next week. Pay the idiots for causing the lockdown and force people to work without paying them. Seems about right.

[X-band '01]

Thankfully they've at least passed laws giving government employees back pay in the event that they do get shut down.

There's also bills being proposed that would cut off pay for Congress should they allow the government to get shut down. Not sure if they have any chance of passing, though.

[Xuperman]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ted-cruz-claims-democrats-could-173546899.html

[GoMuskies]

No kidding. He skated the first time and you would think he'd know they'd be following him.
Sort of puts to bed the whole nonsense of the DOJ being weaponized against R's.

Ah yes, this prosecution of a man with gold bars and wads of cash in his home proves so much about the DOJ. They were really leaning forward on this one!

[xuphan]

Thankfully they've at least passed laws giving government employees back pay in the event that they do get shut down.

There's also bills being proposed that would cut off pay for Congress should they allow the government to get shut down. Not sure if they have any chance of passing, though.

Yes, but only when the government shutdown is over. The last shutdown lasted 35 days. Over a month with some government workers struggling with daily living expensive.

It is nice to see that there are bills to cut off pay for congress when they shut the government down. However, I am sure that will go as far as congress term limits have gone. Gotta love how the media takes sides and blames the other side instead of targeting highly popular bills such as term limits and to cut off pay for congress during shutdowns. Almost like the political parties fund these media outlets for positive press for their side.

[STL_XUfan]

On the border?

Why? We spend billions and people are flooding in now. Are you seriously saying if we give more people will stop coming? Obviously, by what is happening that is flawed thinking.

I think you could throw unlimited money at the border and you are not going to solve the issue, as people will continue to come seeking asylum. Removing all foreign aid will likely result in more unrest in more areas, which will only exacerbate the issue of people seeking asylum.

While the "no more foreign aid until we secure our own borders at home" is a great sound bite to throw around the campaign trail, it isn't a real policy. To fix the issue it is going to require a complete overhaul of immigration (including additional funding for the border patrol and immigration courts), but that will never get through congress.

[paulxu]

Just another piker. Can't compete with failed security clearance son-in-law who took billions from the Saudis.
Weak sauce on Mendez's part.

[Strange Brew]

Just another piker. Can't compete with failed security clearance son-in-law who took billions from the Saudis.
Weak sauce on Mendez's part.

Hahaha. Keep saying it and maybe it will become true.

[Strange Brew]

I think you could throw unlimited money at the border and you are not going to solve the issue, as people will continue to come seeking asylum. Removing all foreign aid will likely result in more unrest in more areas, which will only exacerbate the issue of people seeking asylum.

While the "no more foreign aid until we secure our own borders at home" is a great sound bite to throw around the campaign trail, it isn't a real policy. To fix the issue it is going to require a complete overhaul of immigration (including additional funding for the border patrol and immigration courts), but that will never get through congress.

Or we spend more on Border Patrol, send the military to the border and say NO to any additional asylum claims.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hahaha. Keep saying it and maybe it will become true.

Trump tactics?

[bobbiemcgee]

Or we spend more on Border Patrol, send the military to the border and say NO to any additional asylum claims.

Only Congress can fix it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Whales and Windmills.

[paulxu]

Fraud? What fraud?

[Masterofreality]

Only Congress can fix it.

And the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress & the Presidency and made the border issue worse.
Nicely done.

[noteggs]

Fraud? What fraud?

You and Democrats really want Trump to be president again!

I don’t

[bjf123]

And the Democrats had control of both houses of Congress & the Presidency and made the border issue worse.
Nicely done.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Neither party wants to solve the border crisis. The Democrats can rally around how the Republicans are racist and hate the “asylum seekers”. The Republicans can rally around how the Democrats don’t care about the safety and security of the border and the “illegal aliens” invading America.


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[bobbiemcgee]

You and Democrats really want Trump to be president again!

I don’t

I think he is probably rethinking his whole political career.

[Smails]

I think he is probably rethinking his whole political career.

I highly, highly doubt that man has a shred of regret wired anywhere in his DNA

[X-band '01]

Let's see what tonight's candidates have to say about a potential government shutdown.

[bobbiemcgee]

Not much

[GoMuskies]

RIP to Dianne Feinstein. It was elder abuse to work her until her death, but that's not her fault.

[bobbiemcgee]

GOP admit they have no evidence in impeachment. Meanwhile govt shuts down this weekend.

[xuphan]

RIP to Dianne Feinstein. It was elder abuse to work her until her death, but that's not her fault.

Another case for term limits.

[paulxu]

From General Milley's retirement speech:


We don't take an oath to a tribe. We don't take an oath to a religion. We don't take an oath to a king or queen, or a tyrant, or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We don't take an oath to an individual. We take an oath to the Constitution

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4230574-milley-takes-swipe-at-wannabe-dictator-trump-in-retirement-speech/

[Muskie in dayton]

RFK Jr. - Gabbard '24.

[Xuperman]

RFK Jr. - Gabbard '24.

Not seeing anything anywhere linking Tulsi Gabbard with Kennedy's campaign, although it would be a great choice for him.

The big news is RFK Jr. is expected to raise the 3rd finger to the Democrat Party and run as an independent. Fantastic idea!!!

[Muskie in dayton]

GOP admit they have no evidence in impeachment
”Hi, I’m Bobbi. I believe everything my TV tells me”.

[Strange Brew]

From General Milley's retirement speech:


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4230574-milley-takes-swipe-at-wannabe-dictator-trump-in-retirement-speech/

Well, bye.
Did he give the speech in Mandarin?

[bobbiemcgee]

”Hi, I’m Bobbi. I believe everything my TV tells me”.

Watched it on cpan2 with no commentators and no evidence

[noteggs]

Ok, if a former principal and current congressman thinks the best way to open a door is to pull a fire alarm, we are much bigger trouble than I thought.

[Strange Brew]

Ok, if a former principal and current congressman thinks the best way to open a door is to pull a fire alarm, we are much bigger trouble than I thought.

Haha, yeah…..

But is Swift going to be at the KC game tonight?

[Xuperman]

This "not a shred of evidence" narrative is gaslighting at it's finest. The entire thing is predicated on a complete disregard of the definition of "evidence".

Here's just one prime example.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/joe-biden-regular-at-dc-hotspot-where-he-met-hunters-associates/

Of course, admitting that the dinner did indeed happen, doesn't mean ANY business was discussed. Seeking Millions in US investment conversation can certainly distract from enjoying a fine meal. Criminal conduct by "The Big Guy" will be VERY hard to prove without 1st hand witness cooperation.

[Smails]

Ok, if a former principal and current congressman thinks the best way to open a door is to pull a fire alarm, we are much bigger trouble than I thought.

Remember when the narrative was "at least the grown-ups are back in charge'". Hows that working out...lol

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=Smails;767664]I highly, highly doubt that man has a shred of regret wired anywhere in his DNA[/QUOT
I don't think when he came down the escalator that would lose it to NY

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Smails;767664]I highly, highly doubt that man has a shred of regret wired anywhere in his DNA[/QUOT
I don't think when he came down the escalator that would lose it to NY

Ok, I think it will be ok as 80% of the case just got tossed.

[paulxu]

God help us is right.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/02/politics/john-kelly-donald-trump-us-service-members-veterans/index.html

[X-band '01]

And there it is. Kevin McCarthy is no longer Speaker of the House.

[X-band '01]

Patrick McHenry (R-NC) will be Speaker Pro Tempore until a new Speaker is elected. This is the first time in 3 attempts (in the history of the US House) that a Speaker has been voted out of that position.

[bobbiemcgee]

Santos for Speaker.

[paulxu]

The Freedom Caucus (née Tea Party) is emboldened.

[GoMuskies]

These guys are such clowns.

[XUOWNSUC]

Gaetz is a turd.

[xuwillie]

Gaetz is a turd.

and so are all the democrats who voted with him. Goes to show you they could care less about this country uniting like biden ran on

[STL_XUfan]

and so are all the democrats who voted with him. Goes to show you they could care less about this country uniting like biden ran on
If he kept his word or not spent the Sunday shows blaming everything under the sun on the Democrats, he may have been able to pull some votes from the left. McCarthy did this to himself.

[xuwillie]

If he kept his word or not spent the Sunday shows blaming everything under the sun on the Democrats, he may have been able to pull some votes from the left. McCarthy did this to himself.


Pelosi would do the same thing, always blaming Republicans and Trump for years. Is that honestly worth getting rid of the speaker? If so Pelosi would have been gone her first month

[Strange Brew]

If he kept his word or not spent the Sunday shows blaming everything under the sun on the Democrats, he may have been able to pull some votes from the left. McCarthy did this to himself.

If he had not passed the CR he’d still be Speaker. That’s the real reason why he’s out.

[X-band '01]

If he kept his word or not spent the Sunday shows blaming everything under the sun on the Democrats, he may have been able to pull some votes from the left. McCarthy did this to himself.

It also didn't help that he basically green-lighted an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden before they had hard evidence against him.

I was looking forward to Episode 2 of that miniseries and seeing how bad they'd wet the bed.

[Strange Brew]

It also didn't help that he basically green-lighted an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden before they had hard evidence against him.

I was looking forward to Episode 2 of that miniseries and seeing how bad they'd wet the bed.

What do you think the point of an “inquiry” is?

[STL_XUfan]

What do you think the point of an “inquiry” is?
I believe it is French for “Jason Smith gets to look like an idiot on national television”

[noteggs]

Or maybe an investigation? Regardless of the idiocy?

[Strange Brew]

I believe it is French for “Jason Smith gets to look like an idiot on national television”

Yeah, that’s not what it’s for but that was kind of funny.

[Strange Brew]

The Freedom Caucus (née Tea Party) is emboldened.

Oh no! Quick Paul, pull the fire alarm..

[noteggs]

Think Massie said it best. If you want to blame anyone on spending or fiscal responsibility, you can point the finger at Trump and Pelosi

[paulxu]

Say what you will about Pelosi. But she knew how to manage her caucus, and get the important work of government done.
Even some Republicans understand that. If the only way to keep the doors open is to get some reasonable R's to join with D's to pass a budget, that would probably cost McCarthy his speakership.

Bump.

Well, it was just a CR, but it did cost him the job. Shame that R's don't know how to govern.

[X-band '01]

The Freedom Caucus (née Tea Party) is emboldened.


Gaetz is a turd.

Gaetz is already saying that the next Speaker will be subject to the same motion that McCarthy was. Hopefully the next Speaker tells Gaetz that we will have a rusty poker shoved up his ass if he pulls that stunt again. You'll never get a consensus Republican Speaker at this point - it's going to have to be someone amenable to both Republicans and Democrats at this stage.

[GoMuskies]

Republicans should vote Trump in as Speaker.

[STL_XUfan]

Republicans should vote Trump in as Speaker.
One small issue:

Rule 26—Temporary Step Aside of a Member of Leadership who is Indicted
(a) A member of the Republican Leadership shall step aside if indicted for a felony for which a sentence of two or more years imprisonment may be imposed.
(b) If a member of the Republican Elected Leadership is indicted, the Republican Conference shall meet and elect a Member to temporarily serve in that position.
(c) If a member of the Republican Leadership resigns pursuant to this rule, and subsequently during that Congress is acquitted or the charges are dismissed or reduced to less than a felony as described in paragraph (a), such Member shall resume the position from which they resigned, unless the Republican Conference decides otherwise within 10 legislative days.

https://www.gop.gov/conference-rules-of-the-118th-congress/

[GoMuskies]

The people who would elect him Speaker could also change those rules. Also, pretty sure he's not bound by those rules. He wasn't elected to Congress so never agreed to them.

He's definitely not a member of the House Republican Conference.

[paulxu]

Grifters gonna grift.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/03/judge-rules-defamation-lawsuit-against-2000-mules-can-proceed/?pwapi_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9. eyJyZWFzb24iOiJnaWZ0IiwibmJmIjoxNjk2MzA1NjAwLCJpc3 MiOiJzdWJzY3JpcHRpb25zIiwiZXhwIjoxNjk3Njg3OTk5LCJp YXQiOjE2OTYzMDU2MDAsImp0aSI6ImI2NzlkMjAzLTllNGEtNG MyOS1iNmRlLTcxOGIwMTE1OTdiYiIsInVybCI6Imh0dHBzOi8v d3d3Lndhc2hpbmd0b25wb3N0LmNvbS9wb2xpdGljcy8yMDIzLz EwLzAzL2p1ZGdlLXJ1bGVzLWRlZmFtYXRpb24tbGF3c3VpdC1h Z2FpbnN0LTIwMDAtbXVsZXMtY2FuLXByb2NlZWQvIn0.3NxnjD 5gHA5Hkucypfpqfa0BsX7Xdo2lYUo5oCh3Jg4

[noteggs]

Seems like Yang touched a nerve. Dems didn’t like this comment based off replies. He’s not wrong…

https://x.com/andrewyang/status/1709579120282071380?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[xukeith]

Biden starts to build a wall.

What a joke.

https://apnews.com/article/border-wall-biden-immigration-texas-rio-grande-147d7ab497e6991e9ea929242f21ceb2#lnd3vz89pq3311w40 qk

[paulxu]

Seems like Yang touched a nerve. Dems didn’t like this comment based off replies. He’s not wrong…

https://x.com/andrewyang/status/1709579120282071380?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg


The idea that Ds should have bailed out McCarthy is a codicil of the larger logic of DC punditry in which R bad behavior/destruction is assumed, a baseline like weather, and Ds managing the consequences of that behavior is a given. It’s part of DC being hardwired for the GOP.


People claiming Ds cld/wld have been expected to "save" McCarthy show a remarkable degree of parliamentary and historical illiteracy. Voting against the lead of the house is literally the definition of the opposition party. Literally.


This makes absolutely no sense. The opposition party always votes against the candidate of the opposite party in a parliamentary leadership election which this was. What you’re describing is not only not a norm it is unprecedented.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm

[Smails]

Josh Marshall...lol. The ultimate 'party over country' person pushing the ultimate party over country position. The fact that you're willing to use his tweets to reinforce your beliefs says a lot. I think it's great that every single Dem got in bed with the most extreme faction of the Republican party. Soulless cowards..all of them.

[Xville]

Yang isn’t wrong but unfortunately this is what politics is today and it’s disgusting in both sides. I really don’t understand how anyone on here can defend one side or the other at all anymore. It’s 99% garbage.

[paulxu]

He's a historian. He's pointing our realities in our politics.
Sorry if that bothers anyone.

[GoMuskies]

Democrats can't claim to be the good guys while acting like bad guys.

[paulxu]

Not sure voting for the opposition's leader makes you a "good" guy.
Maybe the reasonable R's need to band with the D's and elect a "coalition" leader. Would that make them good guys?

[GoMuskies]

There was a bipartisan centrist coalition. It's likely to fall apart over all the Dem members voting to oust McCarthy.

[Strange Brew]

Not sure voting for the opposition's leader makes you a "good" guy.
Maybe the reasonable R's need to band with the D's and elect a "coalition" leader. Would that make them good guys?

Huh, why didn’t the Dems do that instead of voting for Pelosi twice? Hmm, we only see to clamor for bi-partisanship when the Dems are out of power in a section of gov’t.

[STL_XUfan]

Huh, why didn’t the Dems do that instead of voting for Pelosi twice? Hmm, we only see to clamor for bi-partisanship when the Dems are out of power in a section of gov’t.
I think it only happens when the Republicans are blaming Democrats for not protecting their partisan leader. If R's have the votes, they can and will nominate whoever they want. They do not. So if they want help across the aisle, then they are going to have to give up something to get that help.

If I'm a Democrat in a moderate district, I am making calls to see what kind of enforceable promises I can get in exchange for helping to cancel out the fringe of the Republican members.

[Strange Brew]

I think it only happens when the Republicans are blaming Democrats for not protecting their partisan leader. If R's have the votes, they can and will nominate whoever they want. They do not. So if they want help across the aisle, then they are going to have to give up something to get that help.

If I'm a Democrat in a moderate district, I am making calls to see what kind of enforceable promises I can get in exchange for helping to cancel out the fringe of the Republican members.

Fair. However, who do you consider fringe? Pelosi is a pretty fringe individual, no?

[Masterofreality]

Hahaha. Paul and Biden on the wrong side again.
Biden is a total incompetent hack.

From the Wall Street Journal:

“ Biden Administration to Resume Border Wall Construction in Policy Reversal
To expedite the construction, the administration waived laws that protect air, water and endangered species”

[paulxu]

Biden didn't fear monger gullible voters about immigrants who are rapists, etc.
And he didn't say something stupid like Mexico will pay for it.

[paulxu]

A little humor in an otherwise bleak political landscape:

From AOC:

Contrary to how McCarthy’s defenders are behaving, men failing up is not a Constitutionally protected right.The man made risky decisions and faced the natural consequences of them. I am not his mom, and my job is not to put pool noodles around hard corners for Republicans.
From hoodie wearing Fetterman:

“Replacing one dick with a different kind of dick isn’t going to change anything in the House. We’re one DNA test from the Jerry Springer show.”
And in a perfect encapsulation of the last couple of days:
https://images.dailykos.com/images/1234487/story_image/lk100523dAPR.jpg?1696532157

[Strange Brew]

A little humor in an otherwise bleak political landscape:

From AOC:

From hoodie wearing Fetterman:

And in a perfect encapsulation of the last couple of days:
https://images.dailykos.com/images/1234487/story_image/lk100523dAPR.jpg?1696532157

Why is it bleak? We all know the answer and it isn’t the Orange Man.

You quoted two of the dumbest members of Congress. Again, it’s not the the overly indicted mean guy’s fault.

Maybe look inward Paul.

Edit: We’re approaching day 3 without a Speaker. Has anyone’s day to day changed?

Double edit: I hope Queen Nancy got her her stuff from her frivolous office. Too funny and deserved. I wonder if they found Trump’s torn State of the Union address or the stupid giant gavel in there. Again, this is on you you.

[GoMuskies]

Who are the people pining for a Cornel West presidency?

[Strange Brew]

Who are the people pining for a Cornel West presidency?

Public reps.

[UCGRAD4X]

“Replacing one dick with a different kind of dick isn’t going to change anything in the House. We’re one DNA test from the Jerry Springer show.”

So, why did the dems vote one way or another for SOH if it doesn't matter. Creating drama and conflict for its own sake and feeding off the chaos is classic JS.

Even though Majorca claims the wall is necessary and the crisis "forced" the administration to suspend (break) numerous laws, POTUS hands are tie because the law requires the money be spent on the wall. "I can't stop that!"

"It's Trumps fault!!!"

1. Why weren't his hands tied two and a half years ago?
2. What would happen if he didn't spend the money?
3. How do you reconcile the mixed message that walls don't work and they are necessary enough to break numerous laws.
4. What about fed laws broken by others?

I ax you.

[paulxu]

More fun today:

1 - Defendant PO-1135809 had evaded being deposed in suit against Cohen by attending NY proceedings. That excuse ran out...so he dropped the lawsuit.
2 - My Pillow Guy's lawyers drop off his case. They are owed millions and are apparently tired of working for free. (sounds familiar)
3 - Republican congresswoman from New York sums up House activities:

I have never seen anything so malicious as the lies that were told on the House floor yesterday … by people I consider to be good conservatives.
4 - Defendant PO-1135809 shared nuclear submarine secrets with Australian guest at Mar-a-Lago, who promptly shared with many others.
Last year a Navy guy and his wife got 19 years for the same activity.
5 - Front runner for House Speaker was at WH days before Jan 6th, and may have helped plan it, refused to testify before Congress under subpoena, got the Medal of Freedom for something a few days later after Jan 6th...and seemingly (according to students) failed to tell administration at school about a coach who was molesting kids. Sounds like a good candidate.

And the hits just keep on coming.

[Smails]

From hoodie wearing Fetterman:“Replacing one dick with a different kind of dick isn’t going to change anything in the House. We’re one DNA test from the Jerry Springer show.”


But wait..the rhetoric...the rhetoric! I thought these kinds of potty mouths disturbed you and your delicate sensibilities?? You're all over the place these days.

[GoMuskies]

I got Trump at 20-1 to be House Speaker. There's a bit of momentum, and the odds are now down to 16-1. Could be good for my bet, although probably not ideal for the country. Then again, please name the GOOD candidate for House Speaker.

[STL_XUfan]

I got Trump at 20-1 to be House Speaker. There's a bit of momentum, and the odds are now down to 16-1. Could be good for my bet, although probably not ideal for the country. Then again, please name the GOOD candidate for House Speaker.
John Boehner with a carton of marlboro reds and no filter.

Also, what shady off shore betting site are you using to bet on Speaker odds.

[GoMuskies]

Betonline. They've got a shitload of political betting options. This is about the third bet I've ever made on politics, but I think their odds are very useful for looking at what is likely to happen in elections.

For example, Donald Trump is, frighteningly enough, the current favorite to win the 2024 Presidential election at +165. Biden is +175.

[bobbiemcgee]

They need to change the motion to vacate to at least 100 votes, otherwise continued chaos.

[Strange Brew]

Betonline. They've got a shitload of political betting options. This is about the third bet I've ever made on politics, but I think their odds are very useful for looking at what is likely to happen in elections.

For example, Donald Trump is, frighteningly enough, the current favorite to win the 2024 Presidential election at +165. Biden is +175.

Looks like Jordan and Scalise are going to get the first swings at it.

[XU_Lou]

Logan Duncomb:

"I've made the decision to step away from the game of basketball for health reasons. Basketball has been a huge part of my life for over a decade. I'm incredibly grateful to the countless people who have helped me along the way − especially those at Moeller High School, Indiana University and Xavier University. I'll remain enrolled at Xavier University, where I'll work to complete my undergraduate degree. Excited about what lies ahead."



Without any inside info, just reading between the lines. My guess is it is mental rather than physical health.

Fwiw he never should have been a top 100 recruit. He wasn’t much in high school other than being tall.


Yeah I really have zero idea but the way it was worded, just makes me think it’s mental health. Felt like if it was physical, he’d just come out and say what it is. However, with mental there is still a stigma and so he’s being vague. I could be way off, but that’s what my instinct tells me

Yea, I can see why you would think it's a mental health issue based off that statement (eyes roll and roll....)

Hell, my initial take was that he had a fear of flying, but I have no inside info on that. Maybe we should just go with that and tarnish his reputation that way.


Maybe he's just a stiff? That was the previous diagnosis....

[Masterofreality]

Biden didn't fear monger gullible voters about immigrants who are rapists, etc.
And he didn't say something stupid like Mexico will pay for it.

Who cares what Biden did or didn’t say. Whatever it was, building a wall was one of the things that got Trump elected.
And apparently Biden finally came to a realization 3 years late that “Hey, that WAS a pretty good idea!l” YOUR guy wants to finish it now. Does that hurt your feelings Pauly??
Don’t get me started on the “spending of money by the US Government” when you’ve got a Dementia Patient in the White House spending money like a drunken sailor on nothing worth mentioning and forgiving loans that intelligent people who actually went to college should be paying BACK to the Government. That kinda caused ludicrous inflation

[Xville]

MOR you seriously need an economics class. Inflation is not solely a U.S. problem, it’s a worldwide problem, and biden is not the only us official that is at fault.

[Strange Brew]

MOR you seriously need an economics class. Inflation is not solely a U.S. problem, it’s a worldwide problem, and biden is not the only us official that is at fault.

Other countries are experiencing inflation because the Fed Reserve is exporting it/ours.

[Xville]

Other countries are experiencing inflation because the Fed Reserve is exporting it/ours.

One reason

[bobbiemcgee]

Gas dropping to 2 ,71 (costco) jobs up 336k

[Strange Brew]

Gas dropping to 2 ,71 (costco) jobs up 336k

Which Costco in the Greater Denver area?

[Strange Brew]

Looks like the Trump Org will not have to dissolve in NY after all.

[bjf123]

Gas dropping to 2 ,71 (costco) jobs up 336k

Heard someone on the radio saying that 40% of the new jobs were people taking a second job to make ends meet. And they say Bidenomics is working out so well. [emoji2357]


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[STL_XUfan]

Looks like the Trump Org will not have to dissolve in NY after all.
All he got was stay in the appellate court while the appeal is heard, not really much of a victory.

[bobbiemcgee]

Which Costco in the Greater Denver area?

Aurora havanna

[Masterofreality]

Other countries are experiencing inflation because the Fed Reserve is exporting it/ours.

This^^^
Plus Biden’s War on Energy which raises the price of everything. Nice job pissing off Saudi Arabia.

[XU_Lou]

This^^^
Plus Biden’s War on Energy which raises the price of everything. Nice job pissing off Saudi Arabia.

While helping to fund Putin's war on Ukraine. One wonders if Biden and the Dems really want to win that war, or are they in it for some other reason.

[Masterofreality]

Talk about a “Pants on Fire Liar”.
From The Free Press:

“ Reminder of Biden in 2020: “There will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration, number one.” And just a few months ago, the administration reportedly sold off $2 million worth of border wall parts for pennies on the dollar to prevent Republicans from trying to build a wall as the crisis worsened. Nearly $300 million worth of taxpayer-funded components meant to build the border wall have been left unused since Biden took office”

Yes. Such a competent administration! Hello Afghanistan!!
And Paul would vote for him over Nikki Hayley!!!! (LOL)

[Masterofreality]

And if any of you want an enjoyable Saturday morning read, here is the entire week summary as written by the exceptional Nellie Bowles, the wife of Bari Weiss.
The Free Press is worth subscribing to for $50/year.

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/nellie-bowles-tgif-gaetz-crasher?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[bobbiemcgee]

From what I could read sez pubs are knuckleheads.

[Masterofreality]

You want reporting on Hamas & Israel?
Here it is:

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/today-is-israels-911-db6?r=et72d&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

[Masterofreality]

From what I could read sez pubs are knuckleheads.

You obviously didn’t read very far in.
Attention Deficit much Bobbie???

[XU_Lou]

Make no mistake:

* Biden is funding Putin's war on Ukraine with his war on American energy

* Biden has also funded the attack on Israel with his war on energy - and his go-soft on Iran policies - and giving Iran $6 Billion


>>> Paul and Bobbie, I don't want to hear your bullshit talking points about those funds being stuck in a Qatari bank - Fungible is the operable word here.


Biden, the Democrats and their voters own these atrocities on humanity. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died from fentanyl overdoses due to Biden's open border policies. You own this!

[xuphan]

Make no mistake:

* Biden is funding Putin's war on Ukraine with his war on American energy

* Biden has also funded the attack on Israel with his war on energy - and his go-soft on Iran policies - and giving Iran $6 Billion


>>> Paul and Bobbie, I don't want to hear your bullshit talking points about those funds being stuck in a Qatari bank - Fungible is the operable word here.


Biden, the Democrats and their voters own these atrocities on humanity. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died from fentanyl overdoses due to Biden's open border policies. You own this!

Well, tell the Republican Party to nominate half decent candidates who the moderates will vote for and we wouldnÂ’t be in this situation.

[XU_Lou]

[/B]

Well, tell the Republican Party to nominate half decent candidates who the moderates will vote for and we wouldnÂ’t be in this situation.

Moderates from a 1980s perspective, or from a 2023 woke perspective?

And by moderates, do you mean Republicans who support the Uniparty, the Neocon policies that enrich the elites, and the globalists agenda that make America subservient to Brussels and Davos?

So to be clear, from what you're insinuating, if we nominate Rs who match the modern definition of a moderate, then, and only then, will we be able to stop funding our adversaries in these wars through policies that promote American energy, and, apparently, shut our borders down as well? Are you saying the type of Rs we need to elect are the exact same type of Rs that put us in this position we're in today because, at best, they usually cave-in to Democrat policies, or worse, at least somewhat support them?

You're confused about what it means to be a moderate. The moderate middle is no longer centered on the 50 yard line. It hasn't been for the last 15 years or longer.

Finally, it's really not a battle between left and right; it's a battle between the elites and the plebs.

[Xuperman]

[/B]

Well, tell the Republican Party to nominate half decent candidates who the moderates will vote for and we wouldnÂ’t be in this situation.

How can any "moderate" vote D? Just look at what they've done in 15 short years, with a pause for the Trump "speed bump".

But let's get real here folks. This is simply an orchestrated continuation of Obama's "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda. This is it....in real time. What...do people think this was hollow political rhetoric? No, he was dead serious and had specific means to get the job done. The main components being an open border and an all out war on fossil fuels, along with an all out effort to convince future generations that the USA is a systematically racist country and law enforcement illegally targets people of color. Can anyone argue that this is no longer pre-2008?

The Democrat Party is overwhelmingly onboard with ALL of this, along with it's propaganda wing in the MSM. Dem voters own every bit of this.

[bobbiemcgee]

You obviously didn’t read very far in.
Attention Deficit much Bobbie???

no I read the free stuff. Gaetz, Haley and McCarhy.

[paulxu]

Leopards eating faces…..

[Strange Brew]

Leopards eating faces…..

Explains Biden voters for sure.

[Masterofreality]

And there it is.
Of course Iran was deeply involved in the Hamas attack on Israel. - Per the Wall Street Journal.
And Paul has defended the Iran deal to the hilt. Wrong again, as usual.

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-helped-plot-attack-on-israel-over-several-weeks-bbe07b25?st=hsp9m5n4qxdicrb&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[bjf123]

Paywall. Can you give the CliffNotes version?


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[Masterofreality]

Paywall. Can you give the CliffNotes version?


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“ Iranian security officials helped plan Hamas’s Saturday surprise attack on Israel and gave the green light for the assault at a meeting in Beirut last Monday, according to senior members of Hamas and Hezbollah, another Iran-backed militant group.
Officers of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps had worked with Hamas since August to devise the air, land and sea incursions—the most significant breach of Israel’s borders since the 1973 Yom Kippur War—those people said.

Details of the operation were refined during several meetings in Beirut attended by IRGC officers and representatives of four Iran-backed militant groups, including Hamas, which holds power in Gaza, and Hezbollah, a Shiite militant group and political faction in Lebanon, they said.

A European official and an adviser to the Syrian government, gave the same account of Iran’s involvement in the lead-up to the attack as the senior Hamas and Hezbollah members.”

[paulxu]

Trying to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is very worthwhile...for everyone concerned. Especially the Israelis.

[XU_Lou]

* I wonder if our dipshit president will try to freeze or claw back the $6 Billion he voluntarily gave to our 2nd biggest adversary (China is #1 - not Russia) now sitting in a Qatari bank?

* I wonder if brain-dead Biden will immediately re-apply the sanctions that prevented (limited) Iran from selling their oil?

* I wonder if Biden is a big enough man to admit he has been so incredibly wrong when he handcuffed our energy production? His energy policies:

a) are helping Putin fund his war on Ukraine

b) are funding Iran's proxy war on Israel

c) helping to instigate massive inflation

d) destroying and sending American jobs overseas


I don't believe there's anyway in hell that Biden is capable of doing the easiest and most logical thing to solve some of the biggest problems hampering his presidency at this moment. No doubt, it's because he's a slave to the lunatic fringe in his party that's holding him and the rest of the country hostage with their climate hysteria. So, in effect, he's going to continue to say fuck America and the rest of the world. Biden is a despicable human being.

[Leghorn]

Come on Paul!

[paulxu]

Fox News chief national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin:
Those blaming Biden “are missing some key facts.” In a social media post, Griffin explained: “Those who are saying that this $6 billion that was part of the American hostage release negotiated by the Biden administration likely fueled the Hamas invasion are missing some key facts….None of the money has been spent yet. It remains in a Qatari bank under US Treasury watch.” [Twitter/X, 10/7/23]

Griffin: The Trump administration used a similar mechanism to allow Iran to use oil money to make humanitarian purchases. Griffin explained: “Under the Trump administration 4 banks worldwide were allowed to hold money from Iranian oil sales to 4 countries.” She added, “Under the Trump Admin deal that preceded Biden hostage deal, Iran could draw on that money for humanitarian purchases that had to be verified by the US Treasury.” [Twitter/X, 10/7/23, 10/7/23]

[Masterofreality]

Trying to keep Iran from getting a nuclear weapon is very worthwhile...for everyone concerned. Especially the Israelis.

So Iran facilitates an attack against…….the Israelis. Not so worthwhile. What a statement.
Iran has never stopped pursuing a nuclear weapon and that “agreement” only possibly postponed the ultimate result for minimal years.
The Iranian Regime is terrorist. They follow no rules.
You are so naive.

[Masterofreality]

Fox News chief national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin:
Those blaming Biden “are missing some key facts.” In a social media post, Griffin explained: “Those who are saying that this $6 billion that was part of the American hostage release negotiated by the Biden administration likely fueled the Hamas invasion are missing some key facts….None of the money has been spent yet. It remains in a Qatari bank under US Treasury watch.” [Twitter/X, 10/7/23]

Griffin: The Trump administration used a similar mechanism to allow Iran to use oil money to make humanitarian purchases. Griffin explained: “Under the Trump administration 4 banks worldwide were allowed to hold money from Iranian oil sales to 4 countries.” She added, “Under the Trump Admin deal that preceded Biden hostage deal, Iran could draw on that money for humanitarian purchases that had to be verified by the US Treasury.” [Twitter/X, 10/7/23, 10/7/23]

So?
Iran just uses other money to fund terrorism based on the fact they will receive replacement money now.
Pretty simple concept

[XU_Lou]

To correct the misinformation from our resident propagandist....


From Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/irans-oil-output-exports-rise-washington-tehran-talk-2023-08-31/

"Iran's oil output and exports jumped in August despite U.S. sanctions, according to consultants and companies that track tanker shipments, as Tehran sells to buyers including China.

Analysts said the higher exports appear to be the result of Iran's success in evading U.S. sanctions and Washington's discretion in enforcing them as the two countries seek better relations.

The United States has sought to limit Iran's oil exports since Donald Trump exited a 2015 nuclear accord in 2018 and re-imposed sanctions aimed at curbing revenues to Iran's government. But the exports have risen during President Joe Biden's term, with China a top buyer, according to the industry trackers."


"Vakhshouri said a lack of transparency by the Biden administration over Iran oil policy has consequences for global energy security particularly as some OPEC+ members cut output."




Crude Oil Production in Iran increased to 3000 BBL/D/1K in August, 2023 from roughly 1950 BBL/D/1K at the end of Trump's term.

That's roughly a 54% increase - - - that's in addition to oil roughly doubling on a per barrel basis during that same time period.

Iran is flush with cash under Biden. Iran used that money to attack Israel, make no bones about that despite the whining and screaming from the Biden apologists.

https://tradingeconomics.com/iran/crude-oil-production

[bobbiemcgee]

1000 barrels really? Oooo Saudis pump that in minute.

[GoMuskies]

1000 barrels really? Oooo Saudis pump that in minute.

It's 3 million barrels/day. Roughly 25% of what Saudi produces per day

[noteggs]

Probably too political for gambler thread, but what’s the over/under when MSM turns to the bothside-ism (like that term Go) on the attack on Israel? Obviously as we have witnessed, the fringe is already a participant.

[bobbiemcgee]

T00Tervile files police report over mean tweet. Awwww somebody hurt his feelings. Santos 23 counts. Why is still in Congress?

[bobbiemcgee]

It's 3 million barrels/day. Roughly 25% of what Saudi produces per day

I see my mistake now

[Masterofreality]

Here’s a “Key Fact”:
Under Donald Trump, with facilitation from Jared Kushner, the Abraham Accords fostering peace between Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries was happening.
Under Joe Biden, Israel was attacked by Muslims in the most horrific way possible- with facilitation from Iran.
The “under Joe Biden” occurence doesn’t exactly seem worthwhile for Israel.
Paul, come out of your hiding hole and explain yourself.

[GoMuskies]

Well, Saudi and Israel were in the process of normalizing relations before this weekend. And when the US moved its embassy to Jerusalem things got pretty violent with the Palestinians.

[Strange Brew]

T00Tervile files police report over mean tweet. Awwww somebody hurt his feelings. Santos 23 counts. Why is still in Congress?

You’re the only one who thinks Santos matters.

[paulxu]

Here’s a “Key Fact”:
Under Donald Trump, with facilitation from Jared Kushner, the Abraham Accords fostering peace between Israel, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries was happening.
Under Joe Biden, Israel was attacked by Muslims in the most horrific way possible- with facilitation from Iran.
The “under Joe Biden” occurence doesn’t exactly seem worthwhile for Israel.
Paul, come out of your hiding hole and explain yourself.

That's fairly short sighted. Those actions during Trump didn't address the Israeli/Palestinian situation that has festered for decades without a 2 state solution.
That's like saying under George Bush terrorists dropped the Twin Towers killing thousands of Americans.

[Masterofreality]

That's fairly short sighted. Those actions during Trump didn't address the Israeli/Palestinian situation that has festered for decades without a 2 state solution.
That's like saying under George Bush terrorists dropped the Twin Towers killing thousands of Americans.

The “Two State Solution” isn’t a solution. The Hamas & Iran don’t want it. Their goal is to destroy Israel.
A total non starter propagated by propaganda that Paul believes.
Trump did more to foster Middle East peace than either Obama or Biden who have only fostered violence and chaos with their appeasement.

[paulxu]

The "Trump Peace Plan" co-authored by Kushner, envisioned a 2 state solution. Was that "propaganda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan


President Biden’s speech was the most passionately pro-Israel in history. The president stood four square behind the Jewish state and the Jewish people and unequivocally against terror and anti-Semitism, and pledged the power of the US to our defense. Our people will always remember and cherish this speech and the man who delivered it.

Michael Orem - former Israeli ambassador to the United States

[Masterofreality]

The "Trump Peace Plan" co-authored by Kushner, envisioned a 2 state solution. Was that "propaganda?


Iran and Hamas’ stated goal is the destruction of Israel. That doesn’t leave 2 states. I never said a thing about Trump and that “Solution”. Only the Abraham Accords that you blow off as meaningless.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/joe-biden-middle-east-israel-iran/670530/

[paulxu]

The “Two State Solution” isn’t a solution. The Hamas & Iran don’t want it. Their goal is to destroy Israel.
A total non starter propagated by propaganda that Paul believes.
Trump did more to foster Middle East peace than either Obama or Biden who have only fostered violence and chaos with their appeasement.


The "Trump Peace Plan" co-authored by Kushner, envisioned a 2 state solution. Was that "propaganda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan



Michael Orem - former Israeli ambassador to the United States


Iran and Hamas’ stated goal is the destruction of Israel. That doesn’t leave 2 states. I never said a thing about Trump and that “Solution”. Only the Abraham Accords that you blow off as meaningless.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/07/joe-biden-middle-east-israel-iran/670530/

Trump's 2 state solution was propaganda.

[Smails]

Trump's 2 state solution was propaganda.

Do you support Trump's 2 state solution?

[GoMuskies]

I thought Biden's speech on the situation in Israel was terrific.

Kudos to whoever wrote it and explained it to him! :)

[paulxu]

Do you support Trump's 2 state solution?

Would be hard. He didn't bother including Palestinians in the discussions/plan.
Reminiscent of not including the Afghan government, who we supported for 20 years, in the negotiations he had with the Taliban (who we were fighting) in the discussions/plan for that country.

[Smails]

Would be hard. .

That's not what I asked. Nothing in that region is easy...if it were to be implemented as constructed, would you support it?

[Smails]

I thought Biden's speech on the situation in Israel was terrific.

Kudos to whoever wrote it and explained it to him! :)

I wholeheartedly agree. Potentially his best moment on the podium as POTUS. Firm, convicted and had a very honest tone.

[paulxu]

No. I don't like when differences are settled without having both parties involved.

[Smails]

No. I don't like when differences are settled without having both parties involved.

You think Hamas will come to the bargaining table in good faith? These are the same people that were reportedly loping off babies' heads a few days ago.

How would you involve the party whose stated goal is to wipe the other off the map?

[Masterofreality]

Would be hard. He didn't bother including Palestinians in the discussions/plan.
Reminiscent of not including the Afghan government, who we supported for 20 years, in the negotiations he had with the Taliban (who we were fighting) in the discussions/plan for that country.

The Palestinians made their choice in 2005 when they freely elected Hamas, these Terrorists, as their leaders. Hamas has always had the stated goal of wiping Israel and Jewish people off the map. Same with their overlords the Iranians.
Despite what you want to believe and spin that Obama and Biden try to put on it, there was never going to be a “2 state solution”. Everytime Israel gave an inch at the bargaining table, Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran raised the stakes.
Once again, Paul spreads misinformation about a group that slaughtered people at a music concert, took hostages and went door to door gunning down innocent families. Not military people on a base or other installation, in usual public safe places.
Don’t shift the blame. The terrorists are why there would never be nor will now ever be 2 states.

[Masterofreality]

No. I don't like when differences are settled without having both parties involved.

Yeah. Both parties are involved. One of them decided to stir the trash pot up first by slaughtering innocent people, including babies and kids.
Uh, huh. Both parties are involved, and one will be wiped out, deservedly.

[paulxu]

You think Hamas will come to the bargaining table in good faith? These are the same people that were reportedly loping off babies' heads a few days ago.

How would you involve the party whose stated goal is to wipe the other off the map?

The terrorists wouldn't be at the table.
Elected representatives of the people would be; the same as recognized at the UN.
Why would you think the terrorist would be invited. Just because Trump negotiated with the Taliban, and not the Afghan government, doesn't mean we should do it again.

[paulxu]

Yeah. Both parties are involved. One of them decided to stir the trash pot up first by slaughtering innocent people, including babies and kids.
Uh, huh. Both parties are involved, and one will be wiped out, deservedly.

As I noted to Smails, terrorists wouldn't be at the table. Trump negotiated with the Taliban, not our supported Afghan government.
You can see how well that turned out. Things we worked on there for years, including schooling for women, etc. were quickly torn down.
No thank you.

[Masterofreality]

As I noted to Smails, terrorists wouldn't be at the table. Trump negotiated with the Taliban, not our supported Afghan government.
You can see how well that turned out. Things we worked on there for years, including schooling for women, etc. were quickly torn down.
No thank you.

This might be the most stupid thing you have posted on this thread, among tons of others.
Stop the shift from Hamas.

Trump never said they would close Bagram Air Base before any pullout, nor leave any military equipment behind. Plus there were conditions explicit in the Taliban agreement that were not being followed by the Taliban. Biden had every right to disregard and cancel it, but he chose to plow ahead with a chaotic and poorly executed withdrawal causing the death of Servicemembers and American citizens being left behind. PLUS, much of the military equipment that Biden left behind has now appeared, where? WITH HAMAS!! Through Iran!!

Uh, that is not an argument you really want to bring up Paul. Your guy totally fucked it up. But I’ll wager you were calling for withdrawal years before it happened.

[Masterofreality]

As I noted to Smails, terrorists wouldn't be at the table.

As to this lunacy, what the hell do you mean? Hamas IS the Gaza Government. They ARE the terrorists.
Mahmoud Abbas of the PLO is the President. Abbas is internationally recognized in his position(s) and Hamas and Fatah conducted numerous negotiations in the following years, leading to an agreement in April 2014 for a Unity Governmen and to the recognition of his office by Hamas.Abbas was also chosen as the president of the State of Palestine by the PLO Central Council on 23 November 2008, a position he had held unofficially since 8 May 2005. He was only supposed to serve for 4 years, but as despots do, has never left office.

Abbas served as the first prime minister of the Palestinian Authority from March to September 2003.Before being named Prime Minister, Abbas led the PLO Negotiations Affairs Department. He has been accused of distorting Jewish history and has been denounced as a Holocaust denier for his numerous statements throughout the years. Finally besides siding with terrorists, Abbas has been a corruption machine, embezzling money from aid given to Palestine. Of course you want to negotiate with THAT GUY!!
Oh, yeah. That guy is not a terror supporter and a friend of Israel. LARGE EYE ROLL!!
Of course they will be at the table- front and center.

[Smails]

The terrorists wouldn't be at the table.
Elected representatives of the people would be; the same as recognized at the UN.
Why would you think the terrorist would be invited. Just because Trump negotiated with the Taliban, and not the Afghan government, doesn't mean we should do it again.

Do you know what Hamas is? I don't think you do...

[bobbiemcgee]

I'd have to bet on Israel. 360,000 troops and air superiority but think the hostages are doomed.
.

[Masterofreality]

Do you know what Hamas is? I don't think you do...

In 2005, the Palestinian people had a chance to change their trajectory from terror. There were 7 candidates on the ballot.
They chose the despot Abbas who was supposed to only serve a 4 year term. Guess what? He’s still in power and not leaving. He’s totally in bed with Hamas and Hezbollah.
Despite the apologists attempts to whitewash, the Palestinian people have done this to themselves.
Play with fire, expect to get burned.

[paulxu]

For those with reading comprehension challenges, I noted that terrorists would NOT be at the table.
That means the terrorist group Hamas would NOT be at the table.
Jeez.

[xuwillie]

For those with reading comprehension challenges, I noted that terrorists would NOT be at the table.
That means the terrorist group Hamas would NOT be at the table.
Jeez.

But they would be if you're negotiating with Palestine. But go ahead and bring Trump into the conversation. What you do best

[Masterofreality]

For those with reading comprehension challenges, I noted that terrorists would NOT be at the table.
That means the terrorist group Hamas would NOT be at the table.
Jeez.

For those with fact acceptance challenges, I note that Hamas, the ruling body in The Gaza Strip and the Terrorist org who conducted the raid in Israel, would be at the table.
Jeez Gaslighter in Chief!

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-gaza-palestinian-authority-israel-war-ed7018dbaae09b81513daf3bda38109a

[paulxu]

From that article:

The U.S. State Department has designated Hamas a terrorist group in 1997

They don't belong at the table.

[Masterofreality]

From that article:


They don't belong at the table.

You can say that, But they are the ruling body in Gaza per the people’s choice. No settlement will occur without them. Your snippet means nothing, like most progressive positions.
Just keep being blatantly stubborn and denying facts.

[Smails]

From that article:


They don't belong at the table.

I agree..but you sad you want both sides at the table. Hamas is the other side. Hamas runs Gaza's Health Service, Hamas administers Gaza's education, Hamas runs the courts services. It's not some group of crazies hanging out in a basement carrying out suicide attacks. If you insist on both sides coming to the table, then you are advocating peace negotiations with Hamas. There's a reason Trump's peace plan didn't involve them. Paul, it's okay to say it was a good plan...regardless of the author. You can do it...

[paulxu]

I expect Israel with the forthcoming offensive to destroy Hamas. Bibi has pledged to do just that.
I would expect "settlement" talks on the Palestinian issues to be discussed with the authorities in the West Bank.
I would not expect Hamas from Gaza to be there.
It's possible Israel will end up just annexing all of the Gaza strip.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not sure anyone will want the Gaza Strip at the end of this. Lots of potential for recycling construction material, but that's going to be about it.

[Masterofreality]

Hamas has killed the “Two State Solution”

https://thespectator.com/topic/goodbye-two-state-solution-israel-hamas/

[Masterofreality]

And this article details how incredibly destructive Obama’s and Biden’s policy toward Iran has been.
Paul still stubbornly believes otherwise.

https://thespectator.com/topic/biden-rethink-us-policy-middle-east-hamas/

[XU_Lou]

I'm not sure anyone will want the Gaza Strip at the end of this. Lots of potential for recycling construction material, but that's going to be about it.

The terrorists will definitely want that land on Israel's door step.

[noteggs]

It’s just hard for some people to get their head around how the oppressors can become the victims. Just look around at campuses and some in Congress.

[Masterofreality]

It’s just hard for some people to get their head around how the oppressors can become the victims. Just look around at campuses and some in Congress.

Maybe The Big East with their slogans should just burn Georgetown to the ground. ��

"At Georgetown this week there was a vigil for the Hamas “martyrs” complete with signs
around campus announcing: “Glory to our martyrs.”"

Talk about morally bankrupt. WTF is happening at universities? Slaughtering Jewish civilians and children is now celebrated!
Sorry. Just had to get this off my chest.

[bobbiemcgee]

Disgusting for sure as is the former guy praising hesbollah.

[paulxu]

I’ve got to believe Republicans can do better than Jim Jordan. Fingers crossed.

[GoMuskies]

Ben Saase in a letter to UF alums this week provided a great line that I think is worth remembering in many difficult situations: "Our Constitution protects the rights of people to make abject idiots of themselves"

[X-band '01]

I’ve got to believe Republicans can do better than Jim Jordan. Fingers crossed.

I'm starting to wonder if they just end up going back to Kevin McCarthy. Scalise was originally the front-runner but noped out of there once he realized he'd have to deal with the whackadoodle half of the GOP.

[xuphan]

I’ve got to believe Republicans can do better than Jim Jordan. Fingers crossed.

I am surprised Jim Jordan wasn’t the front runner to begin with. Seems like the perfect guy Matt Gaetz would want in that position.

[Muskie in dayton]

Disgusting for sure as is the former guy praising hesbollah.
The former guy is as big of an idiot as leftists.

[Muskie in dayton]

I’ve got to believe Republicans can do better than Jim Jordan. Fingers crossed.
Only Thomas Massie.

[bjf123]

I am surprised Jim Jordan wasn’t the front runner to begin with. Seems like the perfect guy Matt Gaetz would want in that position.

Gaetz led the ouster of McCarthy. If he had any balls, he’d run for the job himself. Not that he’d be any good at it.


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[bjf123]

Maybe The Big East with their slogans should just burn Georgetown to the ground. ��

"At Georgetown this week there was a vigil for the Hamas “martyrs” complete with signs
around campus announcing: “Glory to our martyrs.”"

Talk about morally bankrupt. WTF is happening at universities? Slaughtering Jewish civilians and children is now celebrated!
Sorry. Just had to get this off my chest.

Then there’s the Stanford lecturer who had all his Jewish students stand in the corner. At least the university had the common sense to suspend him while they “investigate” what happened.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/13/stanford-teacher-suspended-for-singling-out-jewish-students/


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[XU_Lou]

Disgusting for sure as is the former guy praising hesbollah.

What was the context of his remarks? Explain....

[XU_Lou]

....that's what I thought...

[bjf123]

And people wonder why some distrust absentee ballots and ballot drop boxes.

https://apnews.com/article/bridgeport-absentee-ballots-mayoral-race-73d5fc1071c00750d10a40bc9d396c25


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[bobbiemcgee]

What was the context of his remarks? Explain....

He said the killers of 220 of my Marines, 18 sailors and 3 army were very smart Your the king of copy and paste, look it up.

[UCGRAD4X]

They may have been or, at least, their leadership. They were certainly smart enough to be able to do this to our mighty men. That doesn't mean they weren't despicable terrorists. Many of the most notorious murderous scumbags were considered intelligent. I'm thinking of Adolph Hitler (just ask Marge Schott).

They were either very smart or very lucky. If not, it doesn't say much about the readiness, alertness and intelligence of our armed forces.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, hitler was so smart he invaded Russia. Lol

[UCGRAD4X]

Yeah, hitler was so smart he invaded Russia. Lol

Troo dat.

[XU_Lou]

He said the killers of 220 of my Marines, 18 sailors and 3 army were very smart Your the king of copy and paste, look it up.

No, that's not what he meant. You're purposely taking what he said out of context. You're peddling in lies - which makes you a liar. You're no different than how Hamas manipulates the poor Palestinians. Shame on you...

[bobbiemcgee]

I know what he said,praising our enemies and now he hates Bibi.
Your pub buddies agree

[bobbiemcgee]

Deadliest day in Marine Corps history

[XU_Lou]

As usual, Bobbie is spreading lies again. Did you go to the Joseph Goebbels school of communication?

[XU_Lou]

Hey Bobbie - you're in violation of the Marine's core principals:

Never lie, never cheat or steal; abide by an uncompromising code of integrity; respect human dignity and respect others.

[bobbiemcgee]

Are saying asshole didn't say it? Get your hearing checked. Keep up with the insults like ps80 grad. Nobody believes you went to X. Too fucking cheap to support the site.

[XU_Lou]

Are saying asshole didn't say it? Get your hearing checked. Keep up with the insults like ps80 grad. Nobody believes you went to X. Too fucking cheap to support the site.

I know you want to believe what he said was meant to be naked praise - because, after all, that's what Richard Mancow told you it meant.

Speaking of cheap-asses, why won't you agree to take a cut in social security to ensure it's around for future generations. Why are you so greedy and inconsiderate of your fellow Americans?

[bobbiemcgee]

You could take 2 hours pay and join the site.

[XU_Lou]

You could take 2 hours pay and join the site.

With all the shit going on in the world - mostly perpetuated by Dems and supported by dumb libs such as yourself, this is what you're crusading for?

If this board gives me a formal apology for banning me 4 times, while doing nothing to the other perps involved, I'll gladly pay.

[xuphan]

With all the shit going on in the world - mostly perpetuated by Dems and supported by dumb libs such as yourself, this is what you're crusading for?

If this board gives me a formal apology for banning me 4 times, while doing nothing to the other perps involved, I'll gladly pay.

What did you get banned for?

[XU_Lou]

While Bobbie whines about Trump's comments - that he's knowingly taking out of context - HIS party has become the party of anti-Semites and pro-baby beheaders.

After all the Nazi-like atrocities committed by the Palestinians last week, Bobbie's party is supporting Palestine - including several Dem Congress Reps.

This is a huge problem for the Dems. According to Gallup:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads//support-israel-party-1024x565.jpg

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/poll-more-democrats-now-sympathize-more-palestinians-than/


And while Biden came out fairly strongly against Hamas/Palestinians (make no mistake, they're nearly the same), he's now at odds with the majority in his party. More importantly, he's running against a third party Democrat who is somewhat pro-Palestinian, and is going to siphon off votes from Biden in the GE.

CORNEL WEST FOR PRESIDENT! https://www.cornelwest2024.com/

[bobbiemcgee]

What did you get banned for?

Banned for being an ass. If only he could see the X lounge.

[XU_Lou]

Banned for being an ass. If only he could see the X lounge.

Only whiny-ass libs crying over truth bombs....

[Smails]

He said the killers of 220 of my Marines, 18 sailors and 3 army were very smart Your the king of copy and paste, look it up.

I looked it up and you are completely off your rocker. His comments had zero to do with 1983 and he was commenting on their military capabilities in Lebanon. I'm not sure I agree with him, but understanding and respecting the enemy's capabilities is a fundamental tenant of a winning strategy. Our nation's military history is littered with some of our greatest leaders publicly and privately acknowledging the abilities of our enemies.

To compare what he said to the comments of AOC, Bush, Talib and other Dems is pretty dense.

[paulxu]

It's one thing to recognize the abilities of your adversaries.

It's quite another to call your own troops "sucker and losers." Hard to come up with an excuse for that.

[bobbiemcgee]

I looked it up and you are completely off your rocker. His comments had zero to do with 1983 and he was commenting on their military capabilities in Lebanon. I'm not sure I agree with him, but understanding and respecting the enemy's capabilities is a fundamental tenant of a winning strategy. Our nation's military history is littered with some of our greatest leaders publicly and privately acknowledging the abilities of our enemies.

To compare what he said to the comments of AOC, Bush, Talib and other Dems is pretty dense.

Maybe you consult with your pub congressmen. They all denounced him too.

[bobbiemcgee]

Candidates called him a fool ,absurd and incompetent. "You don't give credit to murderers"
[[/QUOTE]Haley
In fact, NOBODY IS DEFENDING EXCEPT YOU AND LOU.

[noteggs]

Candidates called him a fool ,absurd and incompetent. "You don't give credit to murderers"Haley
In fact, NOBODY IS DEFENDING EXCEPT YOU AND LOU.[/QUOTE]

Hard to follow this response? A lot going on here for short post…

Edit: Somehow my response got caught up in this weird post

[Smails]

It's one thing to recognize the abilities of your adversaries.

It's quite another to call your own troops "sucker and losers." Hard to come up with an excuse for that.

If Trump actually said that...to which there is zero proof. I would agree it's indefensible, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about..literally zero. Lol

[paulxu]

If Trump actually said that...to which there is zero proof. Lol

Let's see Bob.
Door #1 has a former Marine General, Head of Homeland Security, with multiple command experiences.

Door #2 has a con artist with a fake university, fraudulent charity, multiple failed businesses, and liable for sexual assault.

Tough choice.

[Smails]

Let's see Bob.
Door #1 has a former Marine General, Head of Homeland Security, with multiple command experiences.

Door #2 has a con artist with a fake university, fraudulent charity, multiple failed businesses, and liable for sexual assault.

Tough choice.

What choice are you referring to? I don't give a baker's fuck about a conversation that may or may not have happened 3 years ago between 2 grown men who don't like each other. If you choose to let those types of things occupy your head space...have at it hoss.

[Xville]

With all the shit going on in the world - mostly perpetuated by Dems and supported by dumb libs such as yourself, this is what you're crusading for?

If this board gives me a formal apology for banning me 4 times, while doing nothing to the other perps involved, I'll gladly pay.

Lol you should bend the knee and kiss the ring. Instead, per usual, you blame everyone but yourself for being an annoying little bitch.

[paulxu]

Trump in Iowa describes military officials as "some of the dumbest people I've ever met in my life" -- and gets big applause for it

[XU_Lou]

Lol you should bend the knee and kiss the ring. Instead, per usual, you blame everyone but yourself for being an annoying little bitch.


Well if they choose to move this discussion elsewhere I hope I can still find it. Watching Xville squirm is like watching a chimpanzee play with it's own feces.

yep....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4e8ka0oZHM

[Xville]

No lou, I don’t squirm. I just think you are a little bitch who doesn’t take responsibility for your actions. Sounds familiar

[XU_Lou]

No lou, I don’t squirm. I just think you are a little bitch who doesn’t take responsibility for your actions. Sounds familiar

https://www.nicepng.com/png/detail/76-765525_eternally-laughing-at-antifa-pink-wojak.png

[STL_XUfan]

Someone is going to have to explain to me the logic of bringing the Speaker vote to the floor if they do not have the votes. Seems like this is what set up the ticking time bomb of McCarthy's speakership.

[GoMuskies]

I've heard a Scalise and a McCarthy so far. Haven't listened to the whole thing. Must be really close.

Just heard a Zeldin. Another McCarthy. Surely he's not going to make it. Still in the Ls.

Twitter indicating he's already lost even though we're in the Ms. Hakeem Jeffries may get more votes (though obviously not a majority).

The cheering during voting is incredibly obnoxious. Congress is a bit of a joke. Correction, it's a huge joke.

[GoMuskies]

So not even remotely close. NYT has it:

Jeffries 212
Jordan 200
Scalise 7
McCarthy 6
Zeldin 3
Emmer 1
Garcia 1
Cole 1
Massie 1

That's 20 votes not going his way among Republicans. He could afford to lose 4.

[STL_XUfan]

So not even remotely close. NYT has it:

Jeffries 212
Jordan 200
Scalise 7
McCarthy 6
Zeldin 3
Emmer 1
Garcia 1
Cole 1
Massie 1

That's 20 votes not going his way among Republicans. He could afford to lose 4.

Not like the Speaker of the House needs the ability to accurately count votes.

[GoMuskies]

Who goes next if Jordan can't close the gap? McCarthy? Zeldin?.....Trump?

The "moderate" wing of the Republicans really should float Trump to get a few Democrats to vote to bring McCarthy back.

[STL_XUfan]

Who goes next if Jordan can't close the gap? McCarthy? Zeldin?.....Trump?

The "moderate" wing of the Republicans really should float Trump to get a few Democrats to vote to bring McCarthy back.
I do wonder if it gets back to Scalise. I think more likely they just give the interim speaker more power and just never really appoint a new speaker.

[bobbiemcgee]

16 years in Congress, Jordan has never passed a bill.

[X-band '01]

Someone is going to have to explain to me the logic of bringing the Speaker vote to the floor if they do not have the votes. Seems like this is what set up the ticking time bomb of McCarthy's speakership.

It wasn't enough to bring a vote to the floor, Jordan's basically doxxing all the Republican holdouts and trying to get the right-wing media to go in attack mode until they vote for Jordan.

Pretty sure Scalise saw the extreme MAGA Republicans put the same conditions to him that they did for McCarthy and said "Fuck this white club"