Politics Thread

[Xuperman]

This Dem made disaster is absolutely horrific and can only get worse.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/without-opportunities-migrants-nyc-stuck-004045142.html

This nightmare should be the primary focus of right wing media. The MSM wing of the Democrat Party certainly won't.

The Biden border policy is the quickest and most effective way to do serious, and basically irreversible, damage to the country. Fox should have LIVE border coverage everyday, along with a deluge of stories on the ground in places like NYC. The American people deserve to see this up close and personal.

This is one of the primary reasons so many like minded folks stay pissed off. How in the hell can anyone vote Blue in 2024?

[Xuperman]

This is going to be routine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/long-island-leader-refuses-to-let-nyc-move-migrants-into-former-nhl-arena/ar-AA1fpEcY

[Xville]

Our southern border is an extremely complicated proposition that has been an issue for multiple decades. No one has fixed it or really has a plan to fix it that would actually work. That article actually points to a far greater travesty by this admin imo in how we left Afghanistan.

[xuphan]

Our southern border is an extremely complicated proposition that has been an issue for multiple decades. No one has fixed it or really has a plan to fix it that would actually work. That article actually points to a far greater travesty by this admin imo in how we left Afghanistan.

Build a wall or 2 walls for extra fortification, increase border security both with man power and resources such as drones and other types of surveillance technology. Could all be paid for by not pumping billions of dollars into Ukraine. Deter migrants and the amount of illegal drugs being smuggled into the country.

[Xville]

Build a wall or 2 walls for extra fortification, increase border security both with man power and resources such as drones and other types of surveillance technology. Could all be paid for by not pumping billions of dollars into Ukraine. Deter migrants and the amount of illegal drugs being smuggled into the country.

I’m not really worried about migrants or asylum seekers entering the country and wanting to work like that article was referencing. I’d rather the money be spent on adding head count at the border to get people vetted out quicker and to work. That’s where imo the amount of money needs to be spent.

Criminals are going to get in, especially Mexican drug cartels. Not so sure they are going to be deterred. I’m sure there are things that can be done, but I doubt a wall is going to keep criminals out. Not saying do nothing, but I don’t think it’s that simple.

Funding ukraine is in the us best interest. As long as we don’t get to the point of our guys on the ground, I’m all for funding them.

[Xville]

Apparently Haley got a decent lift from the debates. Hopefully she performs just as well in the 2nd and can be a real challenger to trump. She’d absolutely obliterate Biden in the general.

[Strange Brew]

Kind of interesting how the “goof ups” only go when one Party is involved.
And just like all “Resistors” *Some on here fall for every goof up and false story that , somehow, are never retracted.

Yeah, it certainly is MOR.

[Muskie in dayton]

Funding ukraine is in the us best interest. As long as we don’t get to the point of our guys on the ground, I’m all for funding them.
Every dollar given to Ukraine expands the war. The more the war expands, the more people die. The more Russians die at our hands, the closer we are to a war with Russia. Russia is allied with China. Which means WWIII.

WWIII is absolutely not in our best interest.

[Strange Brew]

Every dollar given to Ukraine expands the war. The more the war expands, the more people die. The more Russians die at our hands, the closer we are to a war with Russia. Russia is allied with China. Which means WWIII.

WWIII is absolutely not in our best interest.

Well played. Bobbie?

[bobbiemcgee]

MC Connell- another short nap��

[Strange Brew]

MC Connell- another short nap��

It’s very sad. Ya’ll of the “special” generation ready to turn the reigns over yet?

[Xville]

Every dollar given to Ukraine expands the war. The more the war expands, the more people die. The more Russians die at our hands, the closer we are to a war with Russia. Russia is allied with China. Which means WWIII.

WWIII is absolutely not in our best interest.

Or, a takeover of ukraine by Russia leads to an unstable Europe and a more powerful Russia along with Putin. This can cause a chain reaction for china to become more hostile seeing a “weakened” us position. Thus, inevitably WWIII

[UCGRAD4X]

Just shouldn't have been feckin' around over there in the first place. Let them stay neutral.

reminds me of the saying, "The best time to plant a tree?"

"Twenty years ago."

[bobbiemcgee]

Or, a takeover of ukraine by Russia leads to an unstable Europe and a more powerful Russia along with Putin. This can cause a chain reaction for china to become more hostile seeing a “weakened” us position. Thus, inevitably WWIII

Meanwhile, Chinese exports to the US totaled 538 billion in 2022, a new record.

[bobbiemcgee]

It’s very sad. Ya’ll of the “special” generation ready to turn the reigns over yet?

I guess the voters in KY aren't.

[XU_Lou]

I guess if you believe the globalist/uniparty/neocon propaganda, I guess it makes sense that you would believe that Putin is a threat to Europe and the USA. Only problem is it's complete nonsense. There's no proof he has designs on any other nations. I'm not sure why so many Americans can't understand his reasoning for invading Ukraine. He's told us. Why won't you believe him?

[Xville]

Someone doesn’t have a clue about Putin. Shocking.


Former KGB who has stated in multiple ways he believes in getting Russia back to the former ussr land grab, but yeah I’m sure he will just stop with ukraine. Moron.

“Why won’t you believe him” lol. I guess you believe he had nothing to do with that plane going down too.

I guess you believed this too…. https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2021-11-23/putin-spokesman-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-unless-its-provoked#:~:text=Russian%20President%20Vladimir%20 Putin's%20spokesman,that%20may%20require%20militar y%20action.


All that aggression from ukraine. I guess “provoking” is a matter of semantics lol

[STL_XUfan]

All that aggression from ukraine. I guess “provoking” is a matter of semantics lol

I mean did you see what Ukraine was wearing, was practically asking to be invaded.

[Strange Brew]

Just shouldn't have been feckin' around over there in the first place. Let them stay neutral.

reminds me of the saying, "The best time to plant a tree?"

"Twenty years ago."

Well said.

[Strange Brew]

Meanwhile, Chinese exports to the US totaled 538 billion in 2022, a new record.

I believe there were some who were against the tariffs of 2017-21

[Strange Brew]

Someone doesn’t have a clue about Putin. Shocking.


Former KGB who has stated in multiple ways he believes in getting Russia back to the former ussr land grab, but yeah I’m sure he will just stop with ukraine. Moron.

“Why won’t you believe him” lol. I guess you believe he had nothing to do with that plane going down too.

I guess you believed this too…. https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2021-11-23/putin-spokesman-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-unless-its-provoked#:~:text=Russian%20President%20Vladimir%20 Putin's%20spokesman,that%20may%20require%20militar y%20action.


All that aggression from ukraine. I guess “provoking” is a matter of semantics lol

We’re all aware of whom Putin is/was.
I suggest you grab a rifle and hold the line if you’re that passionate about it.

[Xville]

We’re all aware of whom Putin is/was.
I suggest you grab a rifle and hold the line if you’re that passionate about it.


Who is we? I’m not sure lou is a part of that. It’s pretty clear lou has no clue. He thinks Putin tells the truth about invading ukraine.


Why would I bear arms when we aren’t as a country even doing that? Funding them in the end is a good thing for the us and in our best interest. My reply is more about pointing out the stupidity from which lou speaks on an almost daily basis.

[bobbiemcgee]

We’re all aware of whom Putin is/was.
I suggest you grab a rifle and hold the line if you’re that passionate about it.
Maybe you would be compelled to do so if Putin kidnapped your kids.

[bobbiemcgee]

Or say Ci la vie

[XU_Lou]

the programming is working just fine

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you would be compelled to do so if Putin kidnapped your kids.

More worried about that in what is now a “border state”.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, Chinese exports to the US totaled 538 billion in 2022, a new record.

Thanks Joe Biden!! Guess all those millions that China paid to the Biden Crime Family paid off!!!

[Muskie in dayton]

Or, a takeover of ukraine by Russia leads to an unstable Europe and a more powerful Russia along with Putin. This can cause a chain reaction for china to become more hostile seeing a “weakened” us position. Thus, inevitably WWIII
I’ve heard the whole “it’s like when Hitler took Sudetenland” argument. That’s silly. Russia is absolutely no Nazi Germany, and occupying Ukraine will not destabilize Europe. And China is going to do what it’s going to do. What Russia does is irrelevant.

We should be negotiating peace, not promoting war. I oppose killing.

[Xville]

I’ve heard the whole “it’s like when Hitler took Sudetenland” argument. That’s silly. Russia is absolutely no Nazi Germany, and occupying Ukraine will not destabilize Europe. And China is going to do what it’s going to do. What Russia does is irrelevant.

We should be negotiating peace, not promoting war. I oppose killing.

Let Putin know you oppose killing, I’m sure he will head right to the peace table. The guy is a dictator, the only way he is going to negotiate is if he is just handed ukraine along with the rest of the former Soviet bloc.

The people who actually believe Putin is just going to stop at ukraine is fascinating to me.

[STL_XUfan]

Let Putin know you oppose killing, I’m sure he will head right to the peace table. The guy is a dictator, the only way he is going to negotiate is if he is just handed ukraine along with the rest of the former Soviet bloc.

The people who actually believe Putin is just going to stop at ukraine is fascinating to me.
Putin can be trusted at his word, just ask everyone on Prigozhin’s latest flight

[XU_Lou]

Random Tweets:


Tulsi Gabbard:

"Newest Trump indictment is Biden Admin's latest tyrannical tactic to distract and drain resources from his main political adversary. So now anyone who criticizes how govt runs an election is a criminal? Dem elite are destroying our democracy/country."


RFK JR:

"President Biden justified his open borders policy as a humanitarian response to the appalling media revelations that the Trump-era Border Patrol had 2,600 “children in cages.” Today there are 12,000 children in cages + 85,000 children have disappeared."



National Park Service:

"Hikers coming uphill usually have the right of way. If you’re descending, step aside and give space to the people heading up. Smile and tell them not to worry about spider webs because your tall friend already found them all."

[Xuperman]

If paragraphs 2 and 3 of this article are proven true, no way Biden runs in '24.......most likely will be impeached by the House.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-republicans-release-bank-records-hunter-biden-payments-russian-kazakh-oligarchs-total-clears-20m

Hopefully some of our Leftist friends here will post some spin for amusement.

[Xuperman]

And then there's this.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/31/doj-claims-subpoenas-cant-be-enforced-in-hunter-probe-blocks-testimony-from-fbi-and-irs-agents-1391898/

And this "fresh off the press".

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/leftist-media-desperately-bury-biden-scandals-think-they-away

:popcorn:

[paulxu]

Does it count if you stayed at a Trump hotel?

[MADXSTER]

Gavin Newsome will be running for President on the DEM side in 2024

[XU_Lou]

Gavin Newsome will be running for President on the DEM side in 2024

No doubt. My guess, Biden will be out of the race by the end of this year.

[XU_Lou]

Incredible incompetence? Or malice in Maui?


A terrifying fire struck Maui in 2018.
Officials were warned of a repeat.

"West Maui groups and activists had been “begging and begging and begging” for disaster planning, including more emergency management funds and more fire stations, said Joseph Pluta, the head of the West Maui Taxpayers Association. In September 2018, the nonprofit created a draft plan to better prepare the area for disasters, using a state-provided template for residents. Pluta said the county declined to participate, so the plan never went anywhere."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/08/22/maui-fire-2018-lahaina-warning/

https://rumble.com/v3dt49d-glenn-beck-the-most-infuriating-part-of-maui-wildfire-timeline.html

We'll see who has ownership of the properties that were lost a few months from now.

[Masterofreality]

Incredible incompetence? Or malice in Maui?


A terrifying fire struck Maui in 2018.
Officials were warned of a repeat.

"West Maui groups and activists had been “begging and begging and begging” for disaster planning, including more emergency management funds and more fire stations, said Joseph Pluta, the head of the West Maui Taxpayers Association. In September 2018, the nonprofit created a draft plan to better prepare the area for disasters, using a state-provided template for residents. Pluta said the county declined to participate, so the plan never went anywhere."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/08/22/maui-fire-2018-lahaina-warning/

https://rumble.com/v3dt49d-glenn-beck-the-most-infuriating-part-of-maui-wildfire-timeline.html

We'll see who has ownership of the properties that were lost a few months from now.

Dem politicians and Climate Change madness contributed to this total disaster.
No comment from the lefties on this board on that abject failure.
Biden had to be shamed into going there. He still hasn’t visited East Palestine, Ohio.

[Masterofreality]

The Iran Nuclear “Deal” supporters on this site, you know who you are, should read this well researched and excellent article.
Then you’ll see how wrong minded that crazy position is.

https://thespectator.com/topic/iranians-dont-hate-israel/

[Muskie in dayton]

Gavin Newsome will be running for President on the DEM side in 2024
Gavin Newsome is more senile than Biden.

[MADXSTER]

Gavin Newsome is more senile than Biden.

Though I don't agree with most things he says, IMO he is very well spoken, articulate and would pose a major threat against the republicans. He could easily get the far left excited about his strong left agendas.

[bjf123]

Though I don't agree with most things he says, IMO he is very well spoken, articulate and would pose a major threat against the republicans. He could easily get the far left excited about his strong left agendas.

Might get the far left excited, but I think he’d chase off the moderate independents


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[Masterofreality]

Though I don't agree with most things he says, IMO he is very well spoken, articulate and would pose a major threat against the republicans. He could easily get the far left excited about his strong left agendas.

Yeah.
Because California is so well run and has no big problems. (Eye Roll)

[paulxu]

Capitol “tourist” takes extended (18 year) vacation in Club Fed.

[Xuperman]

Capitol “tourist” takes extended (18 year) vacation in Club Fed.

And "Energy Expert" Hunter Biden texted he has to give 50% of his income to "Pops".

[Muskie in dayton]

Capitol “tourist” takes extended (18 year) vacation in Club Fed.
What was his crime, Paul?

[paulxu]

18 USC 2384, Seditious Conspiracy.

[Muskie in dayton]

18 USC 2384, Seditious Conspiracy.
How did he commit that crime, Paul?

[STL_XUfan]

How did he commit that crime, Paul?
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300.804.0.pdf

[X-band '01]

For the charges left blank, I'm guessing those meant a hung jury? I did notice some of the charges were checked Not Guilty, but each of the 5 has enough Guilty findings that they're going to spend some nice time in the slammer.

[Xville]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300.804.0.pdf

Ha nice. Thank you. That was Another stupid game by one of our resident proud boys

[STL_XUfan]

For the charges left blank, I'm guessing those meant a hung jury? I did notice some of the charges were checked Not Guilty, but each of the 5 has enough Guilty findings that they're going to spend some nice time in the slammer.
A few were hung, a number of them were plead in the alternative (if you look at the instruction it says if not guilty proceed to #X(a), if guilty proceed to #Y)

[paulxu]

22 year tourist vacation. Think that’s the longest.
The inciter will probably skate.

[UCGRAD4X]

A few were hung, a number of them were plead in the alternative (if you look at the instruction it says if not guilty proceed to #X(a), if guilty proceed to #Y)

Does that work in their favor or not?

[xuphan]

22 year tourist vacation. Think that’s the longest.
The inciter will probably skate.

https://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-brown-stepfather-burn-down-20141125-story.html

This inciter skated. Still to do this day have no idea how he wasn’t prosecuted.

[paulxu]

The current inciter is not under indictment for his free speech exercise, but for his actions.

[bobbiemcgee]

How did he commit that crime, Paul?

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

[noteggs]

Amazing that the media has mostly covered for or ignored the Joe/Hunter potential business dealings. And yet, 61% of the people believe Joe was involved.

Either the legacy press will finally stick a few investigative journalists on the story or continue to play clean up specialists.

Gotta give credit to CNN for doing the poll.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/07/politics/poll-hunter-biden/index.html

[Masterofreality]

Funny how “Sanctuary Cities” are now in “crisis” over the illegal immigration issue.
Democrat on Democrat Crime.
It would be funny if it wasn’t so incompetent.
Credit to Greg Abbot and Ron DeSantis for turning this debate on its head.
Dems: Hypocrites all.

https://open.substack.com/pub/jimtreacher/p/remember-when-dems-thought-illegal?r=et72d&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

[MADXSTER]

The next election cannot come soon enough.

[xuphan]

The next election cannot come soon enough.

Trump vs Biden 2.0. Hopefully things get better in 2028.

[Strange Brew]

Trump vs Biden 2.0. Hopefully things get better in 2028.

Don’t be so sure. States are looking to remove Trump from the ballot. Which is interesting and Joe may get replaced.

Buckle up. It should be a curious cycle.

[Xuperman]

Don’t be so sure. States are looking to remove Trump from the ballot. Which is interesting and Joe may get replaced.

Buckle up. It should be a curious cycle.

Biden is not going to run. Imagine IF Michele Obama ends up getting in. She would have the Dems dancing in the streets. Barack hand picks a VP, Michele stomps Trump, Michele resigns early, and the "Transform America" continues.

[Xville]

Haley is gaining momentum. If she has another great debate, other candidates should start dropping out and support her. She is appealing to the independents and has a lot of experience both domestically and globally. She’d wipe up anyone in the general.

The RNC needs to be smart here and begin whittling down the number of candidates quickly.

[Xuperman]

Haley is gaining momentum. If she has another great debate, other candidates should start dropping out and support her. She is appealing to the independents and has a lot of experience both domestically and globally. She’d wipe up anyone in the general.

The RNC needs to be smart here and begin whittling down the number of candidates quickly.

She's a fine candidate. She does have some issues with the religious right as a Hindu, but strong resume. With the climate of change in this country since 2008, is it possible we could see 2 women in the general?

Michele would win. The Obama brand is too powerful.

[bjf123]

She's a fine candidate. She does have some issues with the religious right as a Hindu, but strong resume. With the climate of change in this country since 2008, is it possible we could see 2 women in the general?

Michele would win. The Obama brand is too powerful.

I have a problem with the religious right and I’m Catholic.


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[Smails]

Haley is gaining momentum. If she has another great debate, other candidates should start dropping out and support her. She is appealing to the independents and has a lot of experience both domestically and globally. She’d wipe up anyone in the general.

The RNC needs to be smart here and begin whittling down the number of candidates quickly.

What a great story line that would be to watch. The GOP runs a young, energetic, second generation immigrant female, versus the Dems putting forward an 80 something, lifetime politician who lives the life of a northeastern elite..

[GoMuskies]

I have a problem with the religious right and I’m Catholic.


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I think the point is more that the religious right has a problem with her, so she has a problem in the form of trying to attract their votes in large numbers.

[Strange Brew]

She's a fine candidate. She does have some issues with the religious right as a Hindu, but strong resume. With the climate of change in this country since 2008, is it possible we could see 2 women in the general?

Michele would win. The Obama brand is too powerful.

What exactly IS the Obama brand?

[MADXSTER]

I think the point is more that the religious right has a problem with her, so she has a problem in the form of trying to attract their votes in large numbers.

Regardless of who the candidate is, the conservative religious right is going to vote republican.

[GoMuskies]

Regardless of who the candidate is, the conservative religious right is going to vote republican.

Well, they're not going to vote Democrat, but if they don't like the Republican candidate some of them may sit out. You need to get those groups excited about your candidate and motivated to vote.

[Muskie in dayton]

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300/gov.uscourts.dcd.228300.804.0.pdf
That’s a verdict, not an answer. Seditious conspiracy… he didn’t set foot in the Capitol, he didn’t carry a weapon. His crime? Leading an organization politically opposed to the Democrats.

Political prisoners. That’s a dangerous precedent to set.

[paulxu]

Not political. Rather, actively working to stop the functioning of Congress.
Perhaps this short recap will help you:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges

[STL_XUfan]

That’s a verdict, not an answer. Seditious conspiracy… he didn’t set foot in the Capitol, he didn’t carry a weapon. His crime? Leading an organization politically opposed to the Democrats.

Political prisoners. That’s a dangerous precedent to set.
You asked what he did to get convicted? I gave you the verdict form which states the government proved beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of a conspiracy to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States and to use force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.

That is what he did. It is no longer alleged, it is proven as a matter of law.

[Strange Brew]

You asked what he did to get convicted? I gave you the verdict form which states the government proved beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of a conspiracy to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States and to use force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States.

That is what he did. It is no longer alleged, it is proven as a matter of law.

What evidence was provided to prove the case is what I believe is in question.

[paulxu]

What evidence was provided to prove the case is what I believe is in question.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/press-release/file/1510791/download

[STL_XUfan]

What evidence was provided to prove the case is what I believe is in question.
Do you want me to type up the transcript of the weeks long trial?

[paulxu]

What exactly IS the Obama brand?

Winning, vs whining.

[94GRAD]

Winning, vs whining.

Public reps, this made me chuckle.

[Xville]

What evidence was provided to prove the case is what I believe is in question.

The question isn’t a serious question, it’s whining that a proud boy was convicted and apparently mid thinks he did nothing wrong because trump told him so.

[Strange Brew]

The question isn’t a serious question, it’s whining that a proud boy was convicted and apparently mid thinks he did nothing wrong because trump told him so.

It is a serious question.

Did you decide on Winnie the Pop or Wonder Woman PJs today?

[STL_XUfan]

It is a serious question.

Did you decide on Winnie the Pop or Wonder Woman PJs today?
I can’t wait to see what serious legal analysis the valedictorian of 4chan university school of law can bring to this issue.

They had a trial. They were convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. They get to spend the better part of the rest of their lives in a federal Jail. They fucked around, and now they have found out.

[paulxu]

Who is Winnie the Pop?

[Xville]

It is a serious question.

Did you decide on Winnie the Pop or Wonder Woman PJs today?

No it’s not, and you believing it is says a lot about you. Read the transcript if you really give a shit, you probably won’t understand it, but give it the ole college try.

[Strange Brew]

Who is Winnie the Pop?

He hung out at the pool at which Biden used to lifeguard.

I kid, it was a typo.

[Strange Brew]

Not political. Rather, actively working to stop the functioning of Congress.
Perhaps this short recap will help you:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges

This is helpful.
Does it apply to other groups and protestors that interrupted Congressional hearings?

[Xville]

This is helpful.
Does it apply to other groups and protestors that interrupted Congressional hearings?

Another stupid question or just completely obtuse. There is a difference numbnuts between what occurred on Jan 6th and other “ interrupted congressional hearings.” I think you know that though since you are quite the legal scholar.

[Strange Brew]

Another stupid question or just completely obtuse. There is a difference numbnuts between what occurred on Jan 6th and other “ interrupted congressional hearings.” I think you know that though since you are quite the legal scholar.

What differences?

Other than no protestors were killed during the other interruptions. Also, joining the resistance and rioting during the 2017 Inauguration seems like an organized, violent effort to overthrow the Gov’t. Just a little food for thought as using these Statutes sets interesting precedents.

[Xville]

What differences?

Other than no protestors were killed during the other interruptions. Also, joining the resistance and rioting during the 2017 Inauguration seems like an organized, violent effort to overthrow the Gov’t. Just a little food for thought as using these Statutes sets interesting precedents.

If you have to ask what differences, you’re either not serious or clueless.

Not condoning the 2017 rioters but seriously Take a step back and actually think for a moment.

[Strange Brew]

If you have to ask what differences, you’re either not serious or clueless.

Not condoning the 2017 rioters but seriously Take a step back and actually think for a moment.

What do I need to think about Ville? Not defending the J6ers however it’s fair for folks to ask questions about disparate treatment.

I’m trying to get you to think for a moment.

[Xville]

What do I need to think about Ville? Not defending the J6ers however it’s fair for folks to ask questions about disparate treatment.

I’m trying to get you to think for a moment.

You need to think about the difference between 2017 and Jan 6th other than whining about some nonsensical precedent. Republicans used to be the party of personal responsibility, now it’s extreme right are more interested in playing victim and people like mid eat it up.

[Strange Brew]

You need to think about the difference between 2017 and Jan 6th other than whining. Republicans used to be the party of personal responsibility, now it’s extreme right are more interested in playing victim.

No one’s playing the victim. Asking questions is fine Ville.

And well, it only seems extreme because the Left has moved off the normal spectrum of American politics.

Edit: Please explain the difference between 2017, 2020, the Kavanaugh hearings and J6? I’m not defending the J6ers however it will be fun to watch you and others twist themselves into knots trying to explain it.

[Smails]

Winning, vs whining.

Oh the irony...such good irony

[Masterofreality]

I’m just gonna *almost* limit my responses on this thread to reposting articles from “The Free Press”.
They explain the ridiculousness and malfeasance of the Biden Administration better than anything I could write
“Threat to Democracy”? Thy name is Biden Democrats.

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-fought-government-censorship-and-won

[bjf123]

Great article. It goes quite nicely with the one in the Global Warming thread where the scientist there admits to leaving out key parts of his research, knowing the including them would result in the article not being published in the most prestigious journals. It’s a sad state of affairs.


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[Masterofreality]

Great article. It goes quite nicely with the one in the Global Warming thread where the scientist there admits to leaving out key parts of his research, knowing the including them would result in the article not being published in the most prestigious journals. It’s a sad state of affairs.


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Kind of funny how Joe Biden took an oath to “Protect and Defend the Constitution of the United States” then almost immediately turns around and tries to undermine the First Amendment of Free Speech.

Sounds awfully Threat to Democracy-ish.

[xuphan]

9/11. The day that I will always remember where I was when the terrorist attack happened. Such a horrific event however it might be the only time in recent memory that everyone in this country came together and supported one another. Hopefully, this day will remind us all the importance of being an American.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ken Buck - a voice for reason ? :

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/gop-rep-ken-buck-calls-marjorie-taylor-greenes-comments-biden-impeachm-rcna104346

[noteggs]

9/11. The day that I will always remember where I was when the terrorist attack happened. Such a horrific event however it might be the only time in recent memory that everyone in this country came together and supported one another. Hopefully, this day will remind us all the importance of being an American.

Amen and great post! I remember that whole day. Where I was, who with, and finishing the day at church.

Unfortunately to your last sentence, some have compared J6 2021 to this day including our VP. Very sad, please keep politics out of this somber day/moment.

[Strange Brew]

Ken Buck - a voice for reason ? :

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/gop-rep-ken-buck-calls-marjorie-taylor-greenes-comments-biden-impeachm-rcna104346

On the timetable. Sure.

Far more reasonable than our SoS.

[Strange Brew]

Meanwhile in New Mexico… haha.

[waggy]

This a couple weeks old but Megyn is a decent smacktalker. She should be prez. I'd have a meeting with her in the ovul office.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTJNuzadYd4

[GoMuskies]

Yay, another pointless impeachment incoming.

[Masterofreality]

Yay, another pointless impeachment incoming.

Welp, when you go down a road, don’t be surprised when it curves back on YOU!
Just like Harry Reid, the Dems in their arrogant vengeance can’t help themselves

[paulxu]

McCarthy too scared to take a vote on whether to have an inquiry.

[STL_XUfan]

Yay, another pointless impeachment incoming.
I really do not get the play here.

Option 1: They investigate and do not bring an impeachment, Biden claims he is acquitted.
Option 2: They investigate bring an article of impeachment and it fails a house vote, Biden claims he is acquitted, and they forced members in districts Biden won to take a really hard vote.
Option 3: They investigate bring an article of impeachment and it passes, it has 0% chance in the Senate. Biden claims he is acquitted, and they forced members in districts Biden won to take a really hard vote.

Every recent impeachment has resulted in the popularity of the President actually increasing. So all this likely does is put a number of house seats in danger of being flipped and losing the house.

I guess Kevin McCarthy will do whatever is necessary in the short term to hold onto the gavel as long as possible.

[Xville]

Welp, when you go down a road, don’t be surprised when it curves back on YOU!
Just like Harry Reid, the Dems in their arrogant vengeance can’t help themselves

I guess you can take that view—-one of unprofessional emotional decision making, or you could take the adult professional view—-that this is a waste of everyone’s time and money and we should expect better from our political “leaders.”

[Strange Brew]

Wow, this seems to have struck a nerve with some on this board.

[xuwillie]

I guess you can take that view—-one of unprofessional emotional decision making, or you could take the adult professional view—-that this is a waste of everyone’s time and money and we should expect better from our political “leaders.”

True but “there are consequences to your actions” is pretty accurate here and goes well outside just politics.

[Xville]

True but “there are consequences to your actions” is pretty accurate here and goes well outside just politics.

I’ll go with two wrongs don’t make a right. It was stupid and wrong with trump, and it’s stupid and wrong here.

[Smails]

I guess you can take that view—-one of unprofessional emotional decision making, or you could take the adult professional view—-that this is a waste of everyone’s time and money and we should expect better from our political “leaders.”

I don't really follow what you're saying here. The only view that I see on this board was this type of shit was completely predictable. Once the door of sham impeachments opens up, everyone is going to get in line and want to take a bite. I don't think anyone is saying that this is a good thing.

Knowing what you know of the political landscape over the last 10 or so years, why should we expect better from our political leaders? Just look at the people in Washington right now...just an awful awful group.

[paulxu]

At least with Trump there was some evidence. Phone call to pressure another country and a insurrection at the Capitol.

Many Republicans are admitting there is no evidence to open the inquiry. In fact, the apparent purpose of the inquiry is to find evidence with which to impeach. Weak sauce.

[Xville]

I don't really follow what you're saying here. The only view that I see on this board was this type of shit was completely predictable. Once the door of sham impeachments opens up, everyone is going to get in line and want to take a bite. I don't think anyone is saying that this is a good thing.

Knowing what you know of the political landscape over the last 10 or so years, why should we expect better from our political leaders? Just look at the people in Washington right now...just an awful awful group.

Completely agree with your last paragraph. I hope everyday that something will change.

In regards to your first paragraph, my statement was in response to mor’s post that had a sophomoric response to what is happening or even a toddler response of nah nah nah nah nah boo boo. Imo this “revenge” stuff is absolutely ridiculous. MOR seems to take great pride in it.

[Xville]

I don't really follow what you're saying here. The only view that I see on this board was this type of shit was completely predictable. Once the door of sham impeachments opens up, everyone is going to get in line and want to take a bite. I don't think anyone is saying that this is a good thing.

Knowing what you know of the political landscape over the last 10 or so years, why should we expect better from our political leaders? Just look at the people in Washington right now...just an awful awful group.

Completely agree with your last paragraph. I hope everyday that something will change.

In regards to your first paragraph, my statement was in response to mor’s post that had a sophomoric response to what is happening or even a toddler response of nah nah nah nah nah boo boo. Imo this “revenge” stuff is absolutely ridiculous. MOR seems to take great pride in it.

[Xville]

At least with Trump there was some evidence. Phone call to pressure another country and a insurrection at the Capitol.

Many Republicans are admitting there is no evidence to open the inquiry. In fact, the apparent purpose of the inquiry is to find evidence with which to impeach. Weak sauce.

This is the kind of nonsense and waste of time im talking about. You and MOR should start your own political board with your crap of which political human excrement is worse. “Some evidence” who cares. They are both a waste of dollars and time.

[paulxu]

I care.
Actively working to thwart the peaceful transfer of power, which we had for 250 years before 2020, is in my mind a high crime, worthy of impeachment, and disqualification from holding office.

McCarthy admitted he had no evidence last month. Today one of his own was calling for his removal:

Gaetz: Mr. Speaker, you are out of compliance with the agreement that allowed you to assume this role. The path forward for the House of Representatives is to either bring you into immediate total compliance or remove you,

At least Pelosi knew how to manage her caucus, get shit done, and keep the government running. Clowns like Gaetz, and Green, and Comer haven't a clue.

[Strange Brew]

I care.
Actively working to thwart the peaceful transfer of power, which we had for 250 years before 2020, is in my mind a high crime, worthy of impeachment, and disqualification from holding office.

McCarthy admitted he had no evidence last month. Today one of his own was calling for his removal:


At least Pelosi knew how to manage her caucus, get shit done, and keep the government running. Clowns like Gaetz, and Green, and Comer haven't a clue.

Yeah, Pelosi sure puts unity and the country over Party. She led two impeachments that failed to get a conviction in the Senate and because of it the Country gets to go through another one. Great stuff from Miss Oil Lube.

While we’re at it. No, madam VP, J6 is not anything like 9/11 or 12/7. What a clown statement yesterday.

[paulxu]

McCarthy said of the multiple sham Benghazi hearings, that they had hurt Hillary in the polls. They did.

I suspect he's trying the same thing again.

[Strange Brew]

McCarthy too scared to take a vote on whether to have an inquiry.

He’s dealing with the loons who invaded his office yesterday. Hope they get 22 years.

Edit: I really don’t hope they get jail time however the statement is illustrative.

[Strange Brew]

McCarthy said of the multiple sham Benghazi hearings, that they had hurt Hillary in the polls. They did.

I suspect he's trying the same thing again.

Kind of like Mitt Romney’s taxes or the the Russian Collusion big lie.

Tanto and Tig didn’t seem to think the Benghazi hearings were a sham Paul.

[STL_XUfan]

True but “there are consequences to your actions” is pretty accurate here and goes well outside just politics.

But what is the political advantage? I get that turnaround is fair play, but if there isn't a political advantage, then why cut off your nose to spite your face.

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to get this passed, and I am doubtful he is going to turnup something new that will convince the hold-outs in his own party, most of who are sitting in districts Biden won, to vote for impeach and risk their own reelection.

Further, the past impeachments have shown that there is a backlash against the party doing the impeaching. So all this seems to do is make happy a few members in safe seats at the cost of the vulnerable members of their narrow majority.

[Strange Brew]

But what is the political advantage? I get that turnaround is fair play, but if there isn't a political advantage, then why cut off your nose to spite your face.

McCarthy doesn't have the votes to get this passed, and I am doubtful he is going to turnup something new that will convince the hold-outs in his own party, most of who are sitting in districts Biden won, to vote for impeach and risk their own reelection.

Further, the past impeachments have shown that there is a backlash against the party doing the impeaching. So all this seems to do is make happy a few members in safe seats at the cost of the vulnerable members of their narrow majority.

Agree and the same could be said about Impeaching, then indicting the opposition party candidate. It’s a mess.

[bobbiemcgee]

McCarthy's regime so far is a clusterfuck. Doesn't have the votes to impeach. Rapist Gaetz, MTG and Boebert have him by the nuts and want him out. They will shut down the govt in 10 days.

[Strange Brew]

McCarthy's regime so far is a clusterfuck. Doesn't have the votes to impeach. Rapist Gaetz, MTG and Boebert have him by the nuts and want him out. They will shut down the govt in 10 days.

Oh well, shut it down until it can live within its means.

Uh Bobbie Gaetz was cleared and the left wing nutter was convicted of extortion.

[X-band '01]

I'd like to know what other speakers the Freedom Caucus have in mind should they decide to get rid of McCarthy. They'll never get one of their own to get the nomination.

It would really be funny if a few Republicans in Democratic districts decided to vote for Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker in the interim just to give the Caucus a middle finger.

Now another question I have for both Bobbie and Strange - how safe is Ken Buck looking for reelection? He's one of the few FC people acting sane right about now (and might find himself in the same boat as MTG if he's not careful. I know Lauren Boebert is really going to have to put her nose to the grindstone if she's going to win another term. She barely won in a year where there was supposed to be this big red wave and now the Democrats will absolutely pull all the stops to run against her.

[Strange Brew]

I'd like to know what other speakers the Freedom Caucus have in mind should they decide to get rid of McCarthy. They'll never get one of their own to get the nomination.

It would really be funny if a few Republicans in Democratic districts decided to vote for Hakeem Jeffries as Speaker in the interim just to give the Caucus a middle finger.

Now another question I have for both Bobbie and Strange - how safe is Ken Buck looking for reelection? He's one of the few FC people acting sane right about now (and might find himself in the same boat as MTG if he's not careful. I know Lauren Boebert is really going to have to put her nose to the grindstone if she's going to win another term. She barely won in a year where there was supposed to be this big red wave and now the Democrats will absolutely pull all the stops to run against her.

I’d assume he’s good. He primarily represents suburban Douglas County and rural areas to the East and North. Last I saw Doug Co is ~80% R and has school choice. It’s about as dark red as you can get.

I really don’t get why people care so much about Boebert. She represents her district well if you’ve been there.

[X-band '01]

Considering Boebert's district usually runs about R+10, that's not a seat that should be in play.

[Masterofreality]

At least with Trump there was some evidence. Phone call to pressure another country and a insurrection at the Capitol.

Many Republicans are admitting there is no evidence to open the inquiry. In fact, the apparent purpose of the inquiry is to find evidence with which to impeach. Weak sauce.

Once again Paul likes or purposely ignores all of the evidence already public.
Hey Paul, you even have Joe Biden bragging publicly on tape that he interfered in a Foreign Country’s judiciary by coercing that country’s leader into firing a prosecutor who was deeply investigating a company, Burisma, for corruption- the same company that was paying his son $80,000 per month for nothing.
The arrogant Democrats started down this path with “evidence” created out of whole cloth. You reap what you sow.
And there is this below. Seems important…:

https://thespectator.com/topic/the-new-aggressive-politics-in-an-age-of-lawfare/

[Strange Brew]

Considering Boebert's district usually runs about R+10, that's not a seat that should be in play.

Depends on how much outside money pours in I suppose. She also gets the Palin treatment by insecure little men (sorry, this is the House of Smack)

[Strange Brew]

Once again Paul likes or purposely ignores all of the evidence already public.
Hey Paul, you even have Joe Biden bragging publicly on tape that he interfered in a Foreign Country’s judiciary by coercing that country’s leader into firing a prosecutor who was deeply investigating a company, Burisma, for corruption- the same company that was paying his son $80,000 per month for nothing.
The arrogant Democrats started down this path with “evidence” created out of whole cloth. You reap what you sow.
And there is this below. Seems important…:

https://thespectator.com/topic/the-new-aggressive-politics-in-an-age-of-lawfare/

Yeah, once the evidence sinks in you’ll hear that Joe can’t be impeached for what he did as VP only for what he did while President. I’m already seeing that one being tossed out there. Frankly, it’s not a bad argument.

[paulxu]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.
It’s almost like you think Gulliani has credibility. Amazing.

[bjf123]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.

Who just happened to be investigating the company paying his son a boatload of money for some unknown reason. Think the reaction would be the same if that had happened under the Trump administration? Of course not!


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[Strange Brew]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.
It’s almost like you think Gulliani has credibility. Amazing.

Gulliani is more credible than this post. :)

[xuwillie]

Gulliani is more credible than this post. :)

Seriously. Paul seems to outdo himself with every new post

[Masterofreality]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.
It’s almost like you think Gulliani has credibility. Amazing.

“Advancing US policy”……..as dictated by Joe Biden, the designated individual by the Obama Administration to deal with Ukraine. (The Ukraine where his son was getting paid “Money for Nothing, but *maybe* Chicks for free”)
How much more comical can a post be? Paul’s here might just win the award.

[paulxu]

I have no doubt Hunter was trading on the Biden name. He's a weak sister to people like Ivanka and Jared who reaped literally billions.
But after all Comer and Jordan's antic's...they can't find anything on Joe.
While your boy Trump was raking in millions from foreign governments at his hotels and golf courses.
For some reason that just doesn't seem to bother you all. Very strange.

[paulxu]

Not that I suspect you all would ever read an explanation of the US and world pressure on Ukraine to root our corruption, but here is a good recap if you are interested.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

[Masterofreality]

I have no doubt Hunter was trading on the Biden name. He's a weak sister to people like Ivanka and Jared who reaped literally billions.
But after all Comer and Jordan's antic's...they can't find anything on Joe.
While your boy Trump was raking in millions from foreign governments at his hotels and golf courses.
For some reason that just doesn't seem to bother you all. Very strange.

“Millions from hotels and golf courses” are legitimate businesses. Are you against free enterprise and capitalism?
No. It doesn’t bother me one bit. “Comer’s and Jordan’s antics” are just getting started. Ol’ Joe has changed his story 3 times already about his involvement and it won’t be the last. If he truly thinks he is innocent, then why lie from the start.
And as a typical lefty it bothers you none that Hunter was getting paid for nothing. That’s just like welfare, right?
And Joe manipulating a foreign government’s legit judicial system also bothers you zero.
Seems like Ivanka and Jared’s efforts, none of which were criminal, contributed to a pretty good breakthrough with the Abraham Accords. Now Biden is trying to destroy that progress with another wrongheaded “Iranian Deal”
You lose on all counts Paul.

[paulxu]

Some people's representative in the Cleveland area:


“I think it’s abusing the process,” Rep. David Joyce (R-Ohio) said, lamenting how political impeachments have become. “We’ve been good about letting [the] Judiciary and Oversight [committees] run their course, and I’ve not seen a compilation of facts or evidence that had been put together that would convince me or anybody else at the moment that the next step is an impeachment inquiry.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/12/government-shutdown-biden-impeachment-house/

This Republican congressman seemed to think McCarthy should have had a vote, rather than unilaterally deciding on an inquiry without evidence.
Imagine that.

[Masterofreality]

Not that I suspect you all would ever read an explanation of the US and world pressure on Ukraine to root our corruption, but here is a good recap if you are interested.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

And yeah, sorry. I’m not buying a “Fact Check “ organization that is affiliated and funded by a public university since universities are inherently biased to the left. How convenient Paul.
An independent analysis of that site stated this:

“ An independent review by an AllSides staffer in April 2020 found that FactCheck.org seems to have a disproportionate number of fact check articles focusing on President Trump and other top Republicans, indicating what may be a slight Lean Left bias. FactCheck.org's About page states that it monitors "the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players." The focus on the Trump administration could be due to the fact that FactCheck.org editors consider them to be most major political players at the moment; or it could be an indication of a slight Left bias. The site did include some fact check content on Joe Biden and other Democrats, but fact check claims focusing on Trump seem to dominate the site during 6 months of content that was reviewed.”

That is interesting since Joe Biden has proven over his entire career to be a pathological liar. And FactCheck.org couldn’t be bothered to cover a candidate like him equal to his opponent?
Zero credit to that site.

[bobbiemcgee]

Considering Boebert's district usually runs about R+10, that's not a seat that should be in play.

She only won by 500

[Masterofreality]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.
It’s almost like you think Gulliani has credibility. Amazing.


Not that I suspect you all would ever read an explanation of the US and world pressure on Ukraine to root our corruption, but here is a good recap if you are interested.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrative-on-biden-and-ukraine/

A refresher on the timeline of events leading up to the firing of Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin:

April 2014: Hunter Biden joined Burisma and was paid approximately $1,000,000 per year.

February 10, 2015: Viktor Shokin is elevated to lead the Office of the Prosecutor General during an ongoing, international investigation focused on corruption surrounding Burisma.

September 2015: The Interagency Policy Committee, a task force created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine had cleaned up enough corruption to warrant more Western foreign aid, asserted that Prosecutor Shokin had made sufficient progress in combating corruption to warrant a third guarantee of a $1 billion loan.

November 5, 2015: Then-Vice President Biden participated in a call with then-President of Ukraine Poroshenko and provided no indication that the United States’ policy regarding Ukraine required the dismissal of Prosecutor General Shokin.

Late 2015: Vadym Pozharsky, Burisma’s corporate secretary, was increasingly pushing Hunter Biden to deliver help from the U.S. government regarding pressure Zlochevsky was facing from the Office of the Prosecutor General and abroad.

Also Late 2015: The removal of Prosecutor General Shokin suddenly becomes a condition of the $1 billion loan guarantee according to Vice President Biden.

December 4, 2015: Hunter Biden “called D.C.” in a private meeting with Zlochevsky and Pozharsky in Dubai following Pozharsky’s request.

March 2016: Shokin is dismissed from his position by the Ukrainian Rada after months of public pressure most adamantly applied by then-VP Biden.

January 2018: Former VP Joe Biden brags to Council on Foreign Relations event attendees about his role in having Shokin fired.

[paulxu]

I can tell you didn't read the report, and you are somehow surprised that the focused on Trump during his presidency? The guy with 30,000 documented lies and counting? Really?

You're worried about the 1 billion he withheld in advancing US policy? If you had read the report you would have noticed this:


In February 2016, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Christine Lagarde threatened to withhold $40 billion unless Ukraine undertook “a substantial new effort” to fight corruption after the country’s economic minister and his team resigned to protest government corruption. That same month, a “reform-minded deputy prosecutor resigned, complaining that his efforts to address government corruption had been consistently stymied by his own prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin,” according to a Jan. 3, 2017, Congressional Research Service report.

Shokin submitted his resignation later that same month, and was gone the next month.

[Masterofreality]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.
It’s almost like you think Gulliani has credibility. Amazing.


I can tell you didn't read the report, and you are somehow surprised that the focused on Trump during his presidency? The guy with 30,000 documented lies and counting? Really?

You're worried about the 1 billion he withheld in advancing US policy? If you had read the report you would have noticed this:



Shokin submitted his resignation later that same month, and was gone the next month.

Paul totally ignores the 2 billion pathological lies that Joe Biden has told through his entire career, and which continues today as well as the “US policy” advanced by….Joe Biden! You obviously didn’t read the accurate timeline above where there had been deemed to be enough progress in September 2015 to even initiate the $1 billion loan. What happened in 3 months to change that? Pressure from Biden. Pretty clear.
I’m giving no credit to a report from an obviously biased “Fact Checker”. Biden is corrupt as hell and $20 million, including $$ from China, proves it.

[paulxu]

I see you conveniently ignored the $40 billion loan pressure from the IMF.
Well played.
Trump's DOJ spent 4 years trying to find dirt on Joe, including trying to pressure Ukraine to help...which resulted in one impeachment.
He's still whining about it.

[Smails]

Biden in Ukraine was advancing US and NATO policy, to remove a corrupt prosecutor.


Thank you, thank you very much! I was having a slow start to my morning and needed a good laugh. This has to be a parody account

[Masterofreality]

I see you conveniently ignored the $40 billion loan pressure from the IMF.
Well played.
Trump's DOJ spent 4 years trying to find dirt on Joe, including trying to pressure Ukraine to help...which resulted in one impeachment.
He's still whining about it.

“Trumps DOJ”. Ha. That is the most comical statement you have ever made.
You mean the DOJ that called Hunter’s laptop “Russian Disinformation”?
You mean the DOJ that created FISA Warrants based upon a whole cloth dossier?
I could go on.

Thank goodness there are actual whistleblowers with principles that have started to expose this corruption. And a Republican House to pursue it.

[paulxu]

A refresher on the timeline of events leading up to the firing of Ukrainian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin:

April 2014: Hunter Biden joined Burisma and was paid approximately $1,000,000 per year.

February 10, 2015: Viktor Shokin is elevated to lead the Office of the Prosecutor General during an ongoing, international investigation focused on corruption surrounding Burisma.

September 2015: The Interagency Policy Committee, a task force created to advise the Obama White House on whether Ukraine had cleaned up enough corruption to warrant more Western foreign aid, asserted that Prosecutor Shokin had made sufficient progress in combating corruption to warrant a third guarantee of a $1 billion loan.

November 5, 2015: Then-Vice President Biden participated in a call with then-President of Ukraine Poroshenko and provided no indication that the United States’ policy regarding Ukraine required the dismissal of Prosecutor General Shokin.

Late 2015: Vadym Pozharsky, Burisma’s corporate secretary, was increasingly pushing Hunter Biden to deliver help from the U.S. government regarding pressure Zlochevsky was facing from the Office of the Prosecutor General and abroad.

Also Late 2015: The removal of Prosecutor General Shokin suddenly becomes a condition of the $1 billion loan guarantee according to Vice President Biden.

December 4, 2015: Hunter Biden “called D.C.” in a private meeting with Zlochevsky and Pozharsky in Dubai following Pozharsky’s request.

March 2016: Shokin is dismissed from his position by the Ukrainian Rada after months of public pressure most adamantly applied by then-VP Biden.

January 2018: Former VP Joe Biden brags to Council on Foreign Relations event attendees about his role in having Shokin fired.

I just realized your "refresher" came from the Comer committee press release (without attribution) or from the letter to the State Dept., and obviously fails to mention the IMF withholding $40 billion for the same reason as US policy at that time.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-presses-state-department-for-information-on-then-vice-president-joe-bidens-sudden-shift-on-ukraine-policy%EF%BF%BC/

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Letter-to-Secretary-Blinken-re-Shokin.pdf

[Masterofreality]

So?
It’s accurate. What of it? YOU believed a POS Dossier put out there by Adam Schiff.
You are so naive to think that the IMF isn’t influenced by whatever the US administration says?
Grow up.

[paulxu]

I'll go with the Republican Congressman from your Cleveland area.
He seems to be grown up, unlike many from the freedom caucus.

ps. grown ups attribute post content, instead of trying to appear they created content.

[STL_XUfan]

I am excited to compare BJ's review of Beetlejuice to Lauren Boebert's.

[94GRAD]

I am excited to compare BJ's review of Beetlejuice to Lauren Boebert's.

Bookmark Jan 21st!

[Masterofreality]

I'll go with the Republican Congressman from your Cleveland area.
He seems to be grown up, unlike many from the freedom caucus.

ps. grown ups attribute post content, instead of trying to appear they created content.

Yeah, isn’t it great when elected representatives actually are willing to speak for themselves instead of following a herd mentality like the Democrats?
Thank Gawd, however, for Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema who broke with the herd and saved the country billions? Then, of course, the Dems turn around and screw Manchin out of the agreement that he thought he had.
Stay in that stinky herd Paul. It’s perfect for you.
PS: You found that content so it wasn’t that hard. Get a life

[paulxu]

Fascinating how Republican followers want to make disagreements so negative and personal.
I blame Trump and his antics for the lowering of standards of discourse in the country.
Everything is always so whiny.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I am excited to compare BJ's review of Beetlejuice to Lauren Boebert's.

Especially a review of the ending!

[bobbiemcgee]

Oh well, shut it down until it can live within its means

You may be on an island with that opinion. But not surprised,

[Xville]

I am excited to compare BJ's review of Beetlejuice to Lauren Boebert's.

“ do you know who I am?”


Uh, yes the one who is dumber than a box of rocks and been ridden more than Seattle slew?”

[Xville]

You may be on an island with that opinion. But not surprised,

Yeah probably the dumbest take on this thread and that’s really saying something, but my guess is that it was a bit of tongue in cheek.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah probably the dumbest take on this thread and that’s really saying something, but my guess is that it was a bit of tongue in cheek.

So, we don’t need to balance the budget Ville?

[Smails]

Everything is always so whiny.

Some of the funniest shit I have ever read on this board...

[noteggs]

Fascinating how Republican followers want to make disagreements so negative and personal.
I blame Trump and his antics for the lowering of standards of discourse in the country.
Everything is always so whiny.

Trump can be blamed for a lot of things, but starting today’s political discourse is not one of them. Has he added gasoline to a burning fire? Sure.

For decades, the Democrats have been accusing Republicans as racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic. Not to mention a basket of deplorables. Seemed to work because those terms are amplified in today’s politics.

Perhaps you don’t see it as civil discourse, but as a matter of fact?

[Xville]

So, we don’t need to balance the budget Ville?

So your answer if they don’t is to shut it down? Yikes it wasn’t tongue in cheek?

[Strange Brew]

So your answer if they don’t is to shut it down? Yikes it wasn’t tongue in cheek?

Sure. Happened before and the world didn’t end. BTW, the House originates the budget so if the Senate doesn’t pass it, it’s actually the Dems and the POTUS shutting down the Gov’t. Not the House.

Look forward to the Dem shutdown.

[paulxu]

Trump can be blamed for a lot of things, but starting today’s political discourse is not one of them. Has he added gasoline to a burning fire? Sure.

For decades, the Democrats have been accusing Republicans as racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic. Not to mention a basket of deplorables. Seemed to work because those terms are amplified in today’s politics.

Perhaps you don’t see it as civil discourse, but as a matter of fact?

I think you can find examples on both sides of what you note….from web sites, publications, lesser figure like congressmen and women, and on and on.
But the president occupies a special place with the bully pulpit.
You’d be hard pressed to find anything Biden or Obama has said/written that comes close to the vile that pours out of Trump’s mouth on a daily basis.
He just whines on and on like a small child.

[Masterofreality]

Trump's DOJ spent 4 years trying to find dirt on Joe, including trying to pressure Ukraine to help...which resulted in one impeachment.
He's still whining about it.

About the DOJ. Uh, your posturing that the DOJ is vanilla unbiased is proven wrong again.
Even Politico has an article about it.
By the way, the only guy “Whining” on here is you…about how “Personal” this thread is.
Wah, Wah, Boo Hoo. If you don’t post stupidity, people won’t come after you.

https://apple.news/AG9S8O3JtQYmuxSH5XISPFA

[paulxu]

And once again (and again, and again...) res ipsa loquitur.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sure. Happened before and the world didn’t end. BTW, the House originates the budget so if the Senate doesn’t pass it, it’s actually the Dems and the POTUS shutting down the Gov’t. Not the House.

Look forward to the Dem shutdown.

Interesting logic... the House majority originates the budget...check...the house majority passes the budget...check... why wouldn't at least some of the pubs vote for it in the senate along with all dems.?

[noteggs]

I think you can find examples on both sides of what you note….from web sites, publications, lesser figure like congressmen and women, and on and on.
But the president occupies a special place with the bully pulpit.
You’d be hard pressed to find anything Biden or Obama has said/written that comes close to the vile that pours out of Trump’s mouth on a daily basis.
He just whines on and on like a small child.

Yes both parties are not immune from political discourse over the years.

Since you said
I blame Trump and his antics for the lowering of standards of discourse in the country. You made it seem like Trump was solely responsible for today’s climate.

Also, the racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic comments are not just from a few fringe folks. Think if you talked with large group of democratic voters, they would agree with this rhetoric. I think this is about as low you can go to attack one’s character.

[Strange Brew]

Interesting logic... the House majority originates the budget...check...the house majority passes the budget...check... why wouldn't at least some of the pubs vote for it in the senate along with all dems.?

Because the Dems won’t pass necessary spending cuts.

[bobbiemcgee]

89 billlion budget surplus in Aug.

Looks like the dems will support Gaetz in his bid to get rid of Mc Carthy hahaha

[Strange Brew]

89 billlion budget surplus in Aug.

Looks like the dems will support Gaetz in his bid to get rid of Mc Carthy hahaha

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

[xuwillie]

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

Thanks to the Supreme Court for reversing the Dumb student loan forgiveness program. Of course Bobbie trying to spin like he always does.

[Smails]

I blame Trump and his antics for the lowering of standards of discourse in the country.


Well of course you do, Paul. Here's a thought: The standards of discourse have been getting lower and lower for the last 50-60 years. I couldn't imagine cussing in public around adults when I was a kid. These days, kids don't give a rip. Look at how kids talk to teachers today compared to 50 years ago. Look at the deterioration of customer service, look at how consumers treat merchants. How about the way parents speak to sporting officials and youth coaches? Been in a business meeting lately? It's ALOT different than it was when I entered the workforce in the 90's. I could go on and on but I think you get the drift.

It might just be that our elected officials are mirroring the changes in the electorate over the past 50 years, but that requires some critical thinking. The other line of thinking would be to blame Donald Trump.

[X-band '01]

You mean it didn't start when Leia called Han a scruffy-looking nerf herder?

[bobbiemcgee]

Thanks to the Supreme Court for reversing the Dumb student loan forgiveness program. Of course Bobbie trying to spin like he always does.

No spin Fact.

[bobbiemcgee]

One month. Throw a party!

Haha, Gaetz plays the right wing version of the Squad.

As i said....cluster..

“Matt is working with Eric Swalwell, but let me be very clear,” McCarthy told CNN. “Matt is upset about an ethics complaint. I don’t care what they threaten against me. I’m not gonna interject into an independent committee like ethics, and I’m not going to put Swalwell back on the intel committee. So, they can do whatever they want.”

Gaetz is facing a House Ethics Committee investigation over allegations that he engaged in sexual misconduct and did drugs, among other claims." --The Hill

[paulxu]

Well of course you do, Paul. Here's a thought: The standards of discourse have been getting lower and lower for the last 50-60 years. I couldn't imagine cussing in public around adults when I was a kid. These days, kids don't give a rip. Look at how kids talk to teachers today compared to 50 years ago. Look at the deterioration of customer service, look at how consumers treat merchants. How about the way parents speak to sporting officials and youth coaches? Been in a business meeting lately? It's ALOT different than it was when I entered the workforce in the 90's. I could go on and on but I think you get the drift.

It might just be that our elected officials are mirroring the changes in the electorate over the past 50 years, but that requires some critical thinking. The other line of thinking would be to blame Donald Trump.

While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.

When a president acts poorly, it's a license for others to model his behavior, sadly.

[xuphan]

While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.

When a president acts poorly, it's a license for others to model his behavior, sadly.

Didn’t Clinton get impeached? I wouldn’t say his whole Monica situation was very presidential. Joe Biden doesn’t seem very presidential with his slurred press conferences and his involvement in the Hunter situation. This is not a one party issue and in my opinion is being made worst by people who only point the finger at one party. Maybe demand accountability and ethical responsibility for all politicians who seem to lie about taking their oath seriously to serve the people and this country. If I acted like some of these politicians at my job, I wouldn’t have job. These politicians do it and are amazingly praised for doing it.

[Smails]

[QUOTE=paulxu;767364]While there's a lot of merit in what you say(and I entered the workforce in the 60's), I'd like to think Presidents could act...well, presidential. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Biden, etc seemed to be able to do so. They didn't make fun of disabled people, verbally attack other countries and their people or religions. They act like adults.


Bill Clinton was impeached for getting blow jobs, while married, in the oval office by a young vulnerable intern. Then he went on TV and lied to the American people. Then he lied under oath. Joe Biden has a documented past of sniffing little girls' hair and has hurled plenty of insults as his detractors "dog-faced pony soldier" Whatever the hell that means. I didn't start sniffing cocaine because i found out that Obama and Bush did. Did you start screwing around on your wife because JFK did? Presidential??

The 'license to act poorly' is a dog that simply doesn't hunt. Why would any person or parent get their moral or behavioral compass from a politician? That type of rearing comes from home, and anyone who decides that they can act a certain way because a politician does has nobody to blame but themself. "I did it because he did it" has never held water and never will. Blaming Trump for this kind of mentality is just another example of the Trump boogeyman complex and an unwillingness to hold individuals accountable for their actions.

[paulxu]

None of those things (except maybe whatever Biden's comment was) were done in public, over and over again.
They were done in private and later became public.
That is a far cry from the daily barrage of nonsense from Trump, or his bullying and name calling, and other infantile behavior.
Don't know how to explain it any better. He tacitly concurs with suggestions of violence at his rallies and in fact urged his supporters on to what became the insurrection at the Capitol.
And you can't see any difference?
BTW, a lot of the people in jail for that riot said exactly what you point out: "I did it because the president told me to."
And you're right, it didn't work and they are accountable for their own actions.
None of that excuses his behavior, that continues even to this day.

[Xville]

None of those things (except maybe whatever Biden's comment was) were done in public, over and over again.
They were done in private and later became public.
That is a far cry from the daily barrage of nonsense from Trump, or his bullying and name calling, and other infantile behavior.
Don't know how to explain it any better. He tacitly concurs with suggestions of violence at his rallies and in fact urged his supporters on to what became the insurrection at the Capitol.
And you can't see any difference?
BTW, a lot of the people in jail for that riot said exactly what you point out: "I did it because the president told me to."
And you're right, it didn't work and they are accountable for their own actions.
None of that excuses his behavior, that continues even to this day.

And the reason those people listened to trump is because of the deterioration of society that Smails was referring to. Has little to do with trump, except that he capitalized on people’s stupidity.

Not condoning trumps behavior but your incessant obsession with this guy on a daily basis has become borderline psychotic.

[Masterofreality]

Simple question for “Both Sides” Paul.
2024 Presidential race
Candidates : Republican Nikki Hayley, your former Governor , Democrat Joe Biden.

Who are you voting for since your Bogeyman is not involved?
This should be interesting.

[noteggs]

The White House collusion with the press has no shame. Completely out in the open now.

“Mayday mayday, our side needs cover! The enemy may be getting too close to the facts.”

Or

“Since there is an inquiry now, here are your talking points. Thanks in advance” signed WH Counsel

https://www.axios.com/2023/09/13/biden-impeachment-inquiry-media-memo

[paulxu]

Biden.

I'm obsessed? The Republicans have him as the leading nominee for president. Whose obsessed?
What will it take for you all to shed yourselves of him? 150 indictments?
You've just lost one of the most reasonable voices in the party. Perhaps you should listen to him.

[paulxu]

As to the "Impeachment Inquiry," Pelosi tried it without a vote, and the DOJ shot her down. People don't have to obey subpoenas without a formal vote.

Suppose McCarthy knows this? I can see Jordan and Comer issuing them, and the WH ignoring.

[Xville]

Biden.

I'm obsessed? The Republicans have him as the leading nominee for president. Whose obsessed?
What will it take for you all to shed yourselves of him? 150 indictments?
You've just lost one of the most reasonable voices in the party. Perhaps you should listen to him.

No one on here talks about him except you or in response to you. So, yes, obsession.

Biden? Holy shit. It’s certain you only care about the letter after the name than the person. Yikes.

I’ll also add since you seem to not have a clue. People’s bank accounts and way of life was much better with trump in office than it is right now. As much as I think trump is human excrement and wont vote for him, I can see why people will over the dumbass in there now.

[Strange Brew]

Hunter indicted (gun charges).
Gas prices up
Food prices way up
Real wages down
UAW about to strike

Just another week in Biden’s America.

[Masterofreality]

Biden.

I'm obsessed? The Republicans have him as the leading nominee for president. Whose obsessed?
What will it take for you all to shed yourselves of him? 150 indictments?
You've just lost one of the most reasonable voices in the party. Perhaps you should listen to him.

No where did I mention your bogeyman in this race. You did. Obsessed much??
Tell me what is wrong about Nikki Hayley, Paul.
You’d rather have an 80+ year old borderline dementia patient with his hand on the nuclear button than a qualified woman who has been exemplary in numerous roles??

[XUOWNSUC]

Biden? Holy shit. It’s certain you only care about the letter after the name than the person. Yikes.

I’ll also add since you seem to not have a clue. People’s bank accounts and way of life was much better with trump in office than it is right now. As much as I think trump is human excrement and wont vote for him, I can see why people will over the dumbass in there now.

100% agree with the above.

Biden over Haley? Wow.

[noteggs]

Hunter indicted (gun charges).
Gas prices up
Food prices way up
Real wages down
UAW about to strike

Just another week in Biden’s America.

Yeah but at least inflation is down…oh wait

[bobbiemcgee]

Y,all can vote for trump again.

[bjf123]

Looks like Biden wants the media to cover for him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/09/14/white-house-memo-media-cover-biden-impeachment-inquiry/70842942007/


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[xuwillie]

Y,all can vote for trump again.


and you can for Biden. Glad that was covered

[Muskie in dayton]

Looks like Biden wants the media to cover for him.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/09/14/white-house-memo-media-cover-biden-impeachment-inquiry/70842942007/


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And why not? They have been covering for him for 3 years now. Hell, they are the reason he’s president.

[Xville]

And why not? They have been covering for him for 3 years now. Hell, they are the reason he’s president.

Biden is president because he faced the one person that he could actually beat, the same reason trump ever became president.

[noteggs]

Curious over the next couple of days, what are the new charges on Trump? Only way it’s going to get the Biden’s off the front page.

Maybe nothing because we are finally starting to see some negative press on Joe’s ability to do the job.

[xuphan]

Curious over the next couple of days, what are the new charges on Trump? Only way it’s going to get the Biden’s off the front page.

Maybe nothing because we are finally starting to see some negative press on Joe’s ability to do the job.

Still waiting for McCarthy and Jim Jordan to start the impeachment process against Biden with his ties to Hunters business dealings. I would think this would make the front page when the republicans start this process. Not sure what the hold up is.

[Masterofreality]

And Paul would vote for this guy!! Amazing!

From The Free Press:

”Biden’s gaffe-tastic week: Our elder-abused president found himself onstage in Vietnam giving a press conference about upgrading the country’s diplomatic ties when he started rambling. I swear to god, these are the words that came out of his mouth: “The Indian looks at John Wayne and points to the Union soldier and says, ‘He’s a lying, dog-faced pony soldier!’ Well, there’s a lot of lying, dog-faced pony soldiers out there about global warming.” As the ramble continued, he said: “Remember the famous song, ‘Good Morning, Vietnam’?” Then he said he was gonna go to bed, and then went on to something about the “Third World,” then corrected himself because we don’t say Third World, it’s the Southern Hemisphere. Suddenly a voice comes on overhead: “Thank you, everyone. This ends the press conference.” Jazz immediately starts playing, loudly. Biden tries to answer another question, but they’ve cut his mic.

Upon his return to the U.S., President Biden gave a speech on the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in which he falsely claimed that he was at the World Trade Center the day after the attacks. He said: “I join you on this solemn day to renew our sacred vow: never forget. Never forget. We never forget. Each of us—each of those precious lives stolen too soon when evil attacked. Ground Zero in New York—I remember standing there the next day, and looking at the building.” Fact checks like this, to me, aren’t a huge deal (I always remember myself as the hero of situations; if I drive past a car crash, I sort of think I probably also saved a baby from the car, and the best thanks is to LIVE, goddammit!). But technically speaking, Biden didn’t go to Ground Zero the next day. He went more than a week later. Even CNN fact-checked that one. ”

[Xuperman]

He's not going to run.

[Xville]

He's not going to run.

Why do you keep saying that? Only way he will drop is if trump doesn’t get the Republican nom. Then, the dnc will have to come up with someone other than a corpse.

[STL_XUfan]

Why do you keep saying that? Only way he will drop is if trump doesn’t get the Republican nom. Then, the dnc will have to come up with someone other than a corpse.
He keeps pushing some weird conspiracy theory that Michelle Obama is going to run as the nominee.

[bobbiemcgee]

Still waiting for McCarthy and Jim Jordan to start the impeachment process against Biden with his ties to Hunters business dealings. I would think this would make the front page when the republicans start this process. Not sure what the hold up is.

Some evidence would be nice.

[Strange Brew]

Some evidence would be nice.

He’ll have an opportunity to prove his innocence. ;)

[Smails]

He keeps pushing some weird conspiracy theory that Michelle Obama is going to run as the nominee.

Yeah, I think the Michelle Obama chatter is a ridiculous stretch, but there are a lot of signs starting to point that he might be deemed unfit to run by the DNC. CNN of all stations just ran a piece on all of the lies and complete nonsense that he's been spewing. When CNN goes after a sitting Democratic President while Donald Trump is still in the conversation...something might be off.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12521001/Joe-Biden-Pennsylvania-professor-lie.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1X_wwBnc7U

[paulxu]

Republican veterans of military service understand.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4207130-house-gop-military-veterans-tuberville-hold-promotions/

[bobbiemcgee]

He’ll have an opportunity to prove his innocence. ;)

Against what?

[Strange Brew]

Against what?

Haha, right over your head..:)

Maybe you can pick up the point on the rebound.

[Strange Brew]

Let’s face it.

Vivek, Gaetz, Haley, Scott, DeSantis, etc, etc are the future.

The Dems? Harris and AOC? Maybbe the Pelosi boy from San Fran. Your choice.

I do not have a vote that matters in the CO primaries. I’m good with that. I’m a “relatively” young Constitutional Libertarian. Again, your choice.

[xuwillie]

Haha, right over your head..:)

Maybe you can pick up the point on the rebound.

Slight to no chance on that ha

[Masterofreality]

Republican veterans of military service understand.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4207130-house-gop-military-veterans-tuberville-hold-promotions/

You never answered what is wrong with Nikki Hayley over Biden Paul.

[Strange Brew]

Slight to no chance on that ha

Have a drink for me at TBar or Slopeslipe. A lot going on right now however I always enjoyed a Coors after nav’ing “See Me”

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha, right over your head..:)

Maybe you can pick up the point on the rebound.

If you ever put up a shot. As they say shut up and dribble lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Slight to no chance on that ha

You voting for trump again 😂

[Strange Brew]

If you ever put up a shot. As they say shut up and dribble lol

Haha, anytime anywhere. Tennis anyone?

Edit: I normally wouldn’t do this and Bobbie needs to hear this. I could dunk in college and played summer ball in the White Sox Org (semi -pro) while experimenting with 2 club sports at X. I’ve skied everyone fucking black diamond you can think of and I’ve peaked on 3 14’er’s. You are a fucking asshat in my shadow Bobbie and it feels great to say that to you.

Oh, and I earned two degrees from X while I’ll was doing all that.


And I ran a sub 4hr hr marathon in Chi-Town.

Jimmy ate the last Mango in Paris (I hope to to see you Willie at Cpt. Tony’s someday). :)

[Strange Brew]

You voting for trump again ��

And you’re voting for Biden.

You’re like a two legged table.

Edit: See Kid’s this is how you stand up to a bully.

[xuwillie]

You voting for trump again 😂

I won’t be voting for either trump or Biden if those are my choices but it’s funny that’s you’re only rebuttal. Sad life you live to think democrats are doing any better right now

[bobbiemcgee]

Jack Smith has 86 witnesses and not one dem. Glad I finally comvinced you.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha, anytime anywhere. Tennis anyone?

Edit: I normally wouldn’t do this and Bobbie needs to hear this. I could dunk in college and played summer ball in the White Sox Org (semi -pro) while experimenting with 2 club sports at X. I’ve skied everyone fucking black diamond you can think of and I’ve peaked on 3 14’er’s. You are a fucking asshat in my shadow Bobbie and it feels great to say that to you.

Oh, and I earned two degree from X while I’ll was doing all that.


And I ran a sub 4hr hr marathon in Chi-Town.
Good for you but why do you Bad MONTH EVERYONE. YOU DON'T KNOW ME

[Strange Brew]

Jack Smith has 86 witnesses and not one dem. Glad I finally comvinced you.

Jack S. has shown his backside to the Courts more than Kamala. And, well. I’ll let you decide.

[Strange Brew]

Good for you but why do you Bad MONTH EVERYONE. YOU DON'T KNOW ME

Yeah, good for me. Why are you still here. I’d still like to have you over for a BBQ if you’re game.

ND, WY, CU/CSU in prime time..(good to great,
..)

Like always, your choice.

Get bent.

[paulxu]

You never answered what is wrong with Nikki Hayley over Biden Paul.

What does that have to do with the military and the comments noted in that article? Nothing.

I'm not sure I can help you if you don't really know why I'd vote for Biden over Hayley.
This century has been marked by Republican leadership giving tax cuts to the super wealth, unfunded and unnecessary wars, and the threat to our democracy that was the last Republican president. I've seen enough.

[Xville]

Haha, anytime anywhere. Tennis anyone?

Edit: I normally wouldn’t do this and Bobbie needs to hear this. I could dunk in college and played summer ball in the White Sox Org (semi -pro) while experimenting with 2 club sports at X. I’ve skied everyone fucking black diamond you can think of and I’ve peaked on 3 14’er’s. You are a fucking asshat in my shadow Bobbie and it feels great to say that to you.

Oh, and I earned two degrees from X while I’ll was doing all that.


And I ran a sub 4hr hr marathon in Chi-Town.

Jimmy ate the last Mango in Paris (I hope to to see you Willie at Cpt. Tony’s someday). :)

Wow you’re more of a douchebag than I thought.

[Xuperman]

He keeps pushing some weird conspiracy theory that Michelle Obama is going to run as the nominee.


Why do you keep saying that? Only way he will drop is if trump doesn’t get the Republican nom. Then, the dnc will have to come up with someone other than a corpse.

Because that's my prediction. Once you have a DEM propaganda agent like David Ignatius calling for "Pops" to step aside, it becomes very likely that prediction becomes reality.

Biden is mentally ill. He will continue prove that anytime his "handlers" allow him to speak in public. He constantly views himself in some kind of alternate reality and you can't hide dementia. 14 more months of exposure/deterioration will render him UNELECTABLE. Just look at the southern direction of any poll.

IF the powers that be in the DNC allow him to complete the Primary process (without debates), I strongly predict a Brokered Convention. Obviously, it's extremely rare, but Trump has made anything possible. In a properly coordinated Brokered Convention, the "powers that be" can hand pick a nominee regardless of the Primary outcome.

Call it a conspiracy theory if you want, but Barack Obama is the only President in over a Century to CONTINUE to reside in DC after leaving the White House. Is there any doubt he is deeply involved in the "Fundamentally Transform America" policies of the Biden Administration? Is there ANYONE in the Democrat Party that would not give a big "Hell Yeah" to an Obama 3rd term? Manipulate the system to install Michelle Obama as the nominee, and there is not a person on the planet that could beat her.

Hello 3rd term.

[Strange Brew]

Wow you’re more of a douchebag than I thought.

Yeah? Nobody cares about you or what you think.

Did you change your underwear this morning?

[Xville]

Yeah? Nobody cares about you or what you think.

Did you change your underwear this morning?

That’s cute. You cared enough to respond. Are you also a world class badminton champ? Internet loser. You are certainly compensating for something.
Pompous douchebag

[Strange Brew]

That’s cute. You cared enough to respond. Are you also a world class badminton champ? Internet loser. You are certainly compensating for something.
Pompous douchebag

Nope, never competed in Badminton however is was/is a fun game.

I’m not pompous. I can back it up and I didn’t even mention football. You can’t and it’s not your fault. It’s. Not. Your. Fault.

[Xville]

Nope, never competed in Badminton however is was/is a fun game.

I’m not pompous. I can back it up and I didn’t even mention football. You can’t and it’s not your fault. It’s. Not. Your. Fault.

Only complete losers talk about their athletic accomplishments to anonymous posters on a message board. You’re the internet Al bundy, congratulations

[Strange Brew]

Only complete losers talk about their athletic accomplishments to anonymous posters on a message board. You’re the internet Al bundy, congratulations

Al Bundy sucked and so do you. This is fun. :)

Did I invade your safe space snowflake?

[Muskie in dayton]

Biden is president because he faced the one person that he could actually beat, the same reason trump ever became president.
Biden is president because the media hid the crime family links exposed on the Hunter laptop. Remember, “Russian disinformation”? Trump had 11MM more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

[Xville]

Al Bundy sucked and so do you. This is fun. :)

Did I invade your safe space snowflake?

I’m guessing your real athletic achievements ended in grade school.

[Strange Brew]

I’m guessing your real athletic achievements ended in grade school.

Sure, Richard Rapp.

“You can’t be mad ‘cause I got all this and you didn’t” :)

Too easy.

[paulxu]

Trump had 11MM more votes in 2020 than in 2016.

And lost the popular vote both times.

[Strange Brew]

And lost the popular vote both times.

That’s not how Presidents are elected (thank God) dipshit.

[paulxu]

What's with you guys and the personal remarks.
Measuring dicks on athletic stuff. How childish it all is.
Yes, I know we use the antiquated electoral college to select presidents.
If you understand that, what's the point in noting someone got more popular votes than he did the time before, when he lost?
The winner got 15 million + more than the candidate from his party 4 years earlier.

[Masterofreality]

What does that have to do with the military and the comments noted in that article? Nothing.

I'm not sure I can help you if you don't really know why I'd vote for Biden over Hayley.
This century has been marked by Republican leadership giving tax cuts to the super wealth, unfunded and unnecessary wars, and the threat to our democracy that was the last Republican president. I've seen enough.

What? Wrong post.
I asked you a simple either/or question with no article near it and you exposed your unbelievable bias toward a borderline mental patient who gets lost on a podium. Tax cuts fueled an economic recovery that Obama couldn’t pull off and there were no wars at all under the previous president. The “Threat to Democracy” has been well documented to be weaponized Justice Departments FBI and CIA under Democrats as documented by whistleblowers.
Biden’s Administration is an abject Disaster as proven by the Afghanistan debacle, Et Al.
You want Biden over Nikki Hayley. Incredible.

[Strange Brew]

What's with you guys and the personal remarks.
Measuring dicks on athletic stuff. How childish it all is.
Yes, I know we use the antiquated electoral college to select presidents.
If you understand that, what's the point in noting someone got more popular votes than he did the time before, when he lost?
The winner got 15 million + more than the candidate from his party 4 years earlier.

Thanks Yoda. You’re an idiot

[paulxu]

For those who are interested in jobs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5__8l0W4AAgIYS?format=png&name=900x900

[Strange Brew]

For those who are interested in jobs:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5__8l0W4AAgIYS?format=png&name=900x900

Haha, adorable. You have to be the most Economically illiterate person I’ve ever met.

You. Just. Don’t. Get. It. Twit!

Edit: A lot of us are done this bullshit.

[Muskie in dayton]

And lost the popular vote both times.
Relevance: none.

But speaking of popular vote, I do find it strange that Biden had 15MM more votes than Hillary and 12M more votes than Obama, despite zero enthusiasm for his campaign.

[Xville]

Relevance: none.

But speaking of popular vote, I do find it strange that Biden had 15MM more votes than Hillary and 12M more votes than Obama, despite zero enthusiasm for his campaign.

Not that hard to figure out. People who aren’t his loyal subjects voted against trump. It was hardly a vote for biden

[Muskie in dayton]

What's with you guys and the personal remarks.
Measuring dicks on athletic stuff. How childish it all is.
Yes, I know we use the antiquated electoral college to select presidents.
If you understand that, what's the point in noting someone got more popular votes than he did the time before, when he lost?
The winner got 15 million + more than the candidate from his party 4 years earlier.
Well, you see, the other poster stated Biden won because Trump was not electable. I pointed out that Trump actually got more votes than when he won 4 years earlier, thus indicating that the reason wasn’t people not voting for Trump.

I’m surprised I had to point that out, but deductive reasoning - or any reasoning - is not your strong suit.

[Strange Brew]

Well, you see, the other poster stated Biden won because Trump was not electable. I pointed out that Trump actually got more votes than when he won 4 years earlier, thus indicating that the reason wasn’t people not voting for Trump.

I’m surprised I had to point that out, but deductive reasoning - or any reasoning - is not your strong suit.

Luv ya Muslin in Dayton (bobbie’s retarded, I love but you’re militant and Paul maybe has a triple digit IQ)

[Xville]

Well, you see, the other poster stated Biden won because Trump was not electable. I pointed out that Trump actually got more votes than when he won 4 years earlier, thus indicating that the reason wasn’t people not voting for Trump.

I’m surprised I had to point that out, but deductive reasoning - or any reasoning - is not your strong suit.

just because trump got more votes, doesn’t mean he was electable. He, in fact, wasn’t. Moderates didn’t vote for him, they voted against him. He got more backwoods idiots to vote for him.

Any other Republican would have easily beaten the corpse, just like next year.

[paulxu]

Trump had 11MM more votes in 2020 than in 2016.


Relevance: none.

Perfect.

[Strange Brew]

just because trump got more votes, doesn’t mean he was electable. He, in fact, wasn’t. Moderates didn’t vote for him, they voted against him. He got more backwoods idiots to vote for him.

Wa, wa, wa change your diaper

[Strange Brew]

Perfect.

If there was an award for being an asshat, you just won it.

[paulxu]

There we go again with the Trump crap of calling people names. It's so childish and a pathetic effort to be a bully, and liked by simple minded people.

[Strange Brew]

There we go again with the Trump crap of calling people names. It's so childish and a pathetic effort to be a bully, and liked by simple minded people.

Twat.

No really stop posting. You’re a useful idiot.

I seem to remember you going after Rudy G.

You are an all-time asshat. I can’t even look at you.

Edit: Welcome to X!

[xuphan]

Is it basketball season yet?

[Strange Brew]

Is it basketball season yet?

Can’t start soon enough.

Oh, come on you bastards.