Politics Thread

[Smails]

Funny how many here say they don:t support trump. Who is getting your vote?

Why is it funny? Not that it's any of your business, but I have no clue who I'm voting for in 2024.

[bjf123]

Why is it funny? Not that it's any of your business, but I have no clue who I'm voting for in 2024.

All I can say with certainty is I won’t be voting for Biden.


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[GoMuskies]

All I can say with certainty is I won’t be voting for Biden.


I can say with 100% certainty that I will not vote for Trump or Biden.

I am embedding my right-leaning daughter in Michigan starting in a month, so there's one more red vote you can count on in a battleground state.

[GoMuskies]

The MAGA Hamptons. Pretty good article about Lake of the Ozarks from Bari Weiss's publication.

https://www.thefp.com/p/welcome-to-the-maga-hamptons

[Masterofreality]

Funny how many here say they don:t support trump. Who is getting your vote?

DeSantis 2024. And I voted Libertarian the last two elections. Gary Johnson & Jo Jorgensen

[bobbiemcgee]

Wonder if anybody gives a shit about the moron who ran into N Korea?

[XU_Lou]

Watching the opening "drama" on the hearing on organized Democrat censorship clearly shows that Democrats are deathly afraid of RFK Jr. In fact, it was quite apparent that they fear him more than Trump.

[Muskie in dayton]

Watching the opening "drama" on the hearing on organized Democrat censorship clearly shows that Democrats are deathly afraid of RFK Jr. In fact, it was quite apparent that they fear him more than Trump.
Nothing scares them more than the truth.

[bobbiemcgee]

Nothing scares them more than the truth.

Ha! Perjured himself many times.

[xukeith]

Vivek Ramaswamy has my vote in OH primary.

[Xville]

“The truth” lol I guess that’s perception nowadays.

[bjf123]

Vivek Ramaswamy has my vote in OH primary.

The few times I’ve heard him interviewed, I was impressed with his ideas.


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[GoMuskies]

Joe Biden cured cancer.

[Smails]

Joe Biden cured cancer.

Well thank god for that. I'm going to start ripping heaters again! Wo hoo!

[bobbiemcgee]

Joe Biden cured cancer.

Did he inject some bleach.

[GoMuskies]

Did he inject some bleach.

I suppose killing yourself with bleach WOULD cure your cancer.

[bjf123]

Looks like Hunter’s plea deal has fallen apart. Grab your popcorn!

https://apnews.com/article/690d38f1ffae4dfce2c171d21e7d3594


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[noteggs]

What’s are the chances of a Jack Smith indictment of Trump comes out tomorrow to knock it off the front pages?

[bobbiemcgee]

I suppose killing yourself with bleach WOULD cure your cancer.

And covid according to some.

[xuphan]

And covid according to some.

Hope Mitch McConnell is ok. Look like he was having some sort of seizure mid speech.

[D-West & PO-Z]

There is absolutely ZERO reason anyone in their 80's should be in any government position at any level, but especially a significant one at the national level. It's absurd. The fact that the likely next president will be in their 80's either the whole time or part of the time is depressing.

[XU_Lou]

Judge Maryellen Noreika is an American hero.

I wonder if Trump will nominate her for the Supreme Court?

[xuphan]

There is absolutely ZERO reason anyone in their 80's should be in any government position at any level, but especially a significant one at the national level. It's absurd. The fact that the likely next president will be in their 80's either the whole time or part of the time is depressing.

You ever wonder why the likes of Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, etc still want to be in congress after all of these years? They are all millionaires through insider trading, lobbyists, and other government perks. You would think they would want to enjoy their wealth while they still can.

[Smails]

You ever wonder why the likes of Biden, McConnell, Pelosi, etc still want to be in congress after all of these years? They are all millionaires through insider trading, lobbyists, and other government perks. You would think they would want to enjoy their wealth while they still can.

Addicted to power and control...

[bobbiemcgee]

Wonder if they would have to pay for their own security detail.

[GoMuskies]

CNN is just providing free advertising for the DeSantis campaign now.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1684320809408421894?s=20

[D-West & PO-Z]

You all see Feinstein today? JFC, get these people out.

[noteggs]

What are the chances of a Jack Smith indictment of Trump comes out tomorrow to knock it off the front pages?

My bad, guess Smith wasn’t able to pull the trigger on J6 stuff. However, was able to increase DOJ charges for MAL case today. Hmmm…

Thought I would never quote my own quote but here we are.

[noteggs]

You all see Feinstein today? JFC, get these people out.

Yeah that was sad. Nothing like telling a Senator how to vote because she is having trouble. Like you said earlier, neither side should have people over 80 serving.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=GoMuskies;765699]CNN is just providing free advertising for the DeSantis campaign now.

He needs it.Fired 40% of staff.

[Strange Brew]

CNN is just providing free advertising for the DeSantis campaign now.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1684320809408421894?s=20

That was a well-produced ad for DeSantis by CNN. They even got the family of means “hitchin’ up the UHAUL”. Mad Ave doesn’t really get it. ;)

For a moment I thought it was an old school SNL skit when they used to make fun of the 80s/90s PSAs.

[Strange Brew]

My bad, guess Smith wasn’t able to pull the trigger on J6 stuff. However, was able to increase DOJ charges for MAL case today. Hmmm…

Thought I would never quote my own quote but here we are.

Strange things are afoot at the Circke K indeed. :)

[Masterofreality]

This is the best article describing what a swamp of corruption that Washington has become.
And yes, lefties it mentions Jared Kushner, but Biden & Clinton are worse, so you lose 2-1.

Damn good thing the Repubs won the House to really start exposing this trash.

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-grift-whole-family-business/

[paulxu]

60 years ago we had the Watergate tapes and Rosemary Woods’ missing minutes.
Wise Republicans ushered Nixon off the national stage.
Today we have the Mar-a-Lago video tapes, with many missing minutes and attempted destruction.
Where are the wise Republicans to usher this guy off our national stage?

[Masterofreality]

60 years ago we had the Watergate tapes and Rosemary Woods’ missing minutes.
Wise Republicans ushered Nixon off the national stage.
Today we have the Mar-a-Lago video tapes, with many missing minutes and attempted destruction.
Where are the wise Republicans to usher this guy off our national stage?

Hmmmm.
Where are the wise Democrats to usher the Biden Crime Family off the stage?
Paul worries about documents. Most of us worry about real corruption with Foreign Actors that affect Policy treatment. And if the Dems were still in charge, they would have hushed up this trash in conjunction with a ridiculous attempt at a legal plea to shelter Hunter Biden. Thank Gawd for a well trained Judge.

Rep. James Comer says six banks, including JP Morgan, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo, submitted over 170 suspicious activity reports to the Treasury Department regarding the Biden family, alleging their involvement in money laundering, human trafficking, and tax fraud.

The American banks also raised concerns about wire transfers received by the Bidens from foreign state-owned entities, notably from the Chinese government, allegedly for the purpose of money laundering and tax evasion.

The foreign wires were found to be directed towards Biden's business associates before being funneled through 20 shell companies associated with the Bidens. Subsequently, the funds were distributed among various Biden family members.

SARs are vital documents that financial institutions must file with the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) when they suspect any cases of money laundering or fraudulent activities.

Rep. Comer highlighted one specific SAR linked to a $3 million wire from China to Biden's business partner, Rob Walker. This money was received in an inactive account that had maintained a $50,000 balance for ten years before the significant wire transaction from China.

Within just 24 hours of receiving the wire, Walker initiated incremental payments to several Biden shell companies, eventually disbursing funds to four different Biden family members.

Comer explained that concealing the source of money through the use of shell companies to deceive the IRS is considered money laundering and racketeering.

He noted that if the funds were intended for legitimate purposes, they could have been wired directly to Hunter Biden, but instead, they were routed through business partners and various companies with no clear legitimate purpose.

Senator Ted Cruz asked, "So the Chinese Communist government was sending the money?"

Rep. Comer replied, "Yes."

"If Hunter Biden was doing something legitimate for China, they could have just wired the money to Hunter Biden, but they didn't," he explained.

"They sent it to a company called Robinson Walker. Then they wired it to a company called Owasco. Then they wired it to another company called Bohai. These companies don't do anything with the money."

Senator Cruz responded, "It's just a bucket to pour the water in, then a bucket to pour it into somewhere else?"

Rep Comer said, "That's exactly what it is and it was organized. This is like organized crime."

When the corporate media foolishly asks where is the evidence that the Bidens committed crimes?

American banks have submitted hundreds of suspicious activity reports on the Biden family, alleging their involvement in human trafficking, money laundering, and tax fraud.

Congressional investigators have obtained bank account records and wire transfer statements on twenty shell companies owned by the Bidens, which were allegedly used for laundering illegally obtained money from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and Kazakhstan as unregistered foreign agents.

This evidence is supported by hundreds of thousands of emails, tens of thousands of text messages, photographs, audio recordings, calendar statements, and ten years of data from Hunter Biden's laptop, which the FBI took into its possession in 2019.

@MarcoPolo501c3 published a comprehensive "Report on the Biden Laptop," documenting 459 alleged crimes involving the Biden family and their associates, including 140 business crimes, 191 sex crimes, and 128 drug crimes.

A $1,000 reward is offered for any verifiable corrections, but thus far, no crimes have been disputed.

In addition, credible IRS whistleblowers have accused the Justice Department of obstructing the Hunter Biden investigation by blocking felony charges, search warrants, and interviews while preventing any investigation of the President and his family.

Furthermore, just yesterday, a judge highlighted an unprecedented lenient deal offered by the Justice Department to Hunter Biden, which would result in no felony charges or jail time for tax fraud and lying on a gun form.

This DOJ deal would have also granted protection to the First Son from any future prosecution related to illegally obtained money from foreign nations as an unregistered foreign agent.

What is more corrosive and destructive to our nation than a politicized Justice Department that applies different legal standards depending on whether one's last name is Trump or Biden?

[paulxu]

Hunter Biden’s not in the government. Trump’s DOJ was investigating him under Barr, and it may turn out his light charges were a result of interference by Trump.
More importantly, if Hunter is guilty, no Dems are running him for office. He should pay for breaking the law.
Conversely, the Republicans have an indicted reality TV star running again, and they’re all defending him.
Fix that and let the law take care of Hunter.

[Masterofreality]

Hunter Biden’s not in the government. Trump’s DOJ was investigating him under Barr, and it may turn out his light charges were a result of interference by Trump.
More importantly, if Hunter is guilty, no Dems are running him for office. He should pay for breaking the law.
Conversely, the Republicans have an indicted reality TV star running again, and they’re all defending him.
Fix that and let the law take care of Hunter.

Joe Biden lied about he not being involved with Hunter’s business. To wit:

Vice President Joe Biden meeting Hunter Biden's foreign business partners:

November 2010: Joe Biden had a sit-down meeting with Eric Schwerin - the president of Hunter's private equity firm - in the West Wing.

November 2011: Joe Biden met with Chris Heinz — a co-founder of Hunter’s private equity firm — in the West Wing.

March 2012: Joe Biden met with Andres Pastrana Arango — the former president of Colombia who Hunter was doing business with — at his personal residence.

December 2013: Hunter flew with Joe Biden aboard Air Force Two to China, where he introduced him to Jonathan Li, a Chinese businessman.

February 2014: Joe Biden had lunch with Hunter and two of Hunter’s Mexican business partners and was pictured giving them a tour of the White House.

April 2014: Joe Biden met with Devon Archer — another co-founder of Hunter’s private equity firm — in the White House a week before Archer joined the board of Burisma.

June 2014: Joe Biden met Manuel Estrella — Hunter’s Latin American business associate. After the meeting, Estrella emailed Hunter: “Hunter, I just met your father! So exciting!” Hunter replied: “I'm glad it all finally came together.”

August 2014: Pictures show Joe Biden golfing with his son, Hunter, and Devon Archer while they were both serving on the Burisma board.

April 2015: Joe Biden attended a dinner in Washington, D.C., with Hunter’s business partners from Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan.

November 2015: Joe Biden hosted his son’s Mexican business partners — Carlos Slim, Miguel Aleman Velasco, and Miguel Aleman Magnani — at his personal residence.

February 2016: Biden flew Hunter and Jeff Cooper — a family business partner — to Mexico City for a business trip aboard Air Force Two.

May 2016: Joe Biden met with Eric Schwerin — the former head of Hunter’s private equity firm — for dinner in Washington, D.C.

September 2016: Joe Biden attended a fundraiser for Francis Person — a business associate of Hunter’s and a former advisor in Biden’s VP office.

May 2017: Joe Biden met with family business partner Tony Bobulinski TWICE.

June 2018: Joe Biden texted Hunter saying that he was with Jeff Cooper — a family business partner — and that Cooper wanted to “do some work” with him.

Photos, emails, text messages, and White House visitor logs CONFIRM these meetings took place. It’s not up for debate.

So why did Joe Biden lie? An Impeachment will be imminent.

[paulxu]

A post about the similarities between Nixon’s audio tapes and Trump’s video tapes generates massive responses about the Hunter Biden.

Could be the most classic example of deflection in a long time.

[bobbiemcgee]

Impeachment a joke. No votes.

[Masterofreality]

A post about the similarities between Nixon’s audio tapes and Trump’s video tapes generates massive responses about the Hunter Biden.

Could be the most classic example of deflection in a long time.

No deflection because Joe Biden was involved and complicit. Add in numerous off shore Swiss Bank accounts.
Paul tried to deflect by claiming deflection. The Biden’s are joined at the hip. “The walls are closing in”.
Trump never took a dime from anyone, and didn’t even accept his Presidential salary..
Biden corruption is legendary.

[Masterofreality]

Impeachment a joke. No votes.

Wait & see

[bobbiemcgee]

.
Trump never took a dime from anyone, and didn’t even accept his Presidential salary

Except millions and millions in legal fees. He's a billionaire. Pay them yourself.

[XU_Lou]

“Much more prevalent”…. Based on what? Do you have numbers, or are you just talking out your ass per usual? Why go straight to the vaccine as the cause of it “ has nothing to do with anti-vaxx” instead of the disease itself? Probably because you’re pushing your agenda per usual because you just can’t help yourself.

Maybe you and Lou can start your own board so you can share your nonsense with each other

Lou!!!

https://www.nicepng.com/png/detail/76-765525_eternally-laughing-at-antifa-pink-wojak.png

[Masterofreality]

Except millions and millions in legal fees. He's a billionaire. Pay them yourself.

Legal fees for what? If the Dems wouldn’t have started bullshit impeachment and “investigations” there would have been none.
See Bobbie. It always circles back to you guys.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well if you rape, fuck porn stars, start an insurrection, repeatly lie on tape and admit to obstructing justice, you might have a few.

[Xville]

Legal fees for what? If the Dems wouldn’t have started bullshit impeachment and “investigations” there would have been none.
See Bobbie. It always circles back to you guys.

Lol and this is from the guy that is “independent” and votes on “ issues” lol hysterical

[noteggs]

You mean new charges on Trump a day after new momentum of potential business links between Hunter and Joe is not a classic case of deflection? Everyone knew MSM would chase down the Trump story and throw the Biden’s aside. Kinda like what some do here often.

[XU_Lou]

Lol and this is from the guy that is “independent” and votes on “ issues” lol hysterical

MOR!!!!

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/937/655/73c.jpg

[bobbiemcgee]

You mean new charges on Trump a day after new momentum of potential business links between Hunter and Joe is not a classic case of deflection? Everyone knew MSM would chase down the Trump story and throw the Biden’s aside. Kinda like what some do here often.

Msm covered ad naseum with reporters at courthouse all week.NYT and Wash post front page.l Where is the proof on Joe?O

[bobbiemcgee]

And why wouldn't it be news that an Xpres gets
indicted probably 5x?

[Strange Brew]

And why wouldn't it be news that an Xpres gets
indicted probably 5x?

Because most people saw it coming as Biden had another awful week.

[Masterofreality]

Well if you rape, fuck porn stars, start an insurrection, repeatly lie on tape and admit to obstructing justice, you might have a few.

See “bullshit investigations” while ignoring Biden’s lies about “business dealings”.
Where do you get that Trump isn’t paying his own legal bills?
Source please.

[bobbiemcgee]

Save America Pac 17.7 million last quarter.

[Masterofreality]

Save America Pac 17.7 million last quarter.

That isn’t on taxpayers. Those are on donors. They can do what they want.
What’s it to you Bobbie?? It’s a free country, in most places. Jealous?

[bobbiemcgee]

That isn’t on taxpayers. Those are on donors. They can do what they want.
What’s it to you Bobbie?? It’s a free country, in most places. Jealous?

Who said it was. You lied. Yes if idiots want to squander their hard earned cash I have no problemo with it .

[Masterofreality]

Who said it was. You lied. Yes if idiots want squander their hard earned cash I have no problemo with it .

Your earlier attempt was to falsely allude that Trump was getting his legal fees paid by taxpayers right after I said he didn’t even take his salary as President.
You attempted to delude but got caught.
Now your side is going after poor old property maintenance workers with indictments.
Are you guys racists vs Hispanic hard workers??

[bobbiemcgee]

Show me.

[bobbiemcgee]

Except millions and millions in legal fees. He's a billionaire. Pay them yourself.

Save America Pac and RNC paid them. You got played.

[bobbiemcgee]

Because most people saw it coming as Biden had another awful week.

Did I miss Biden getting charged with anything? Trump got charged with deleting video much like nixon.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump asked the hispanics to get rid of the server. Hahaha sound familar?

[noteggs]

Msm covered ad naseum with reporters at courthouse all week.NYT and Wash post front page.l Where is the proof on Joe?O

Ummm, all week? The plea deal didn’t fall apart and happen until Wednesday. I agree it was a top story - for a day. Coincidentally (not really) Smith “found” new charges against Trump the next day which is the main point. Think this will be/is the true meaning of ad nauseam.

As for proof, if press really gave a shit they may have found something by now instead of sticking their head in the sand for five years. Oh btw, why did the White House change Joe’s stance on “he never discussed business dealings with his son” to “he’s never done business with his son?” Interesting.

[noteggs]

Because most people saw it coming as Biden had another awful week.

Bingo!

[Masterofreality]

Save America Pac and RNC paid them. You got played.

Hey everyone!! Bobbie just realized that Politicians (All of Them) get and spend money from PACS that supporters contribute freely to!
Hilarious that he thinks that is a Breaking News “gotcha”.
How did I get played? I sent no money. And taxpayers haven’t paid a dime of Trumps legal fees.

[Masterofreality]

Trump asked the hispanics to get rid of the server. Hahaha sound familar?

Nah, that’s Obama actually getting rid of his Black Chef who “drowned” in 8 feet of water despite being an excellent swimmer.

[Masterofreality]

Finally, I’ll just leave this here since we’re talking about what taxpayers pay for:

As of July 7, 2023, Biden has spent 352 days — 39.2% of his presidency — on vacation. That's almost a full year!
He was inaugurated 1/20/21.

[GoMuskies]

Finally, I’ll just leave this here since we’re talking about what taxpayers pay for:

As of July 7, 2023, Biden has spent 352 days — 39.2% of his presidency — on vacation. That's almost a full year!
He was inaugurated 1/20/21.

Better if it was 100%

[bobbiemcgee]

Nah, that’s Obama actually getting rid of his Black Chef who “drowned” in 8 feet of water despite being an excellent swimmer.

You can drown in a cup of water. Do you think Obama killed his chef for bad tacos? What the hell?

[bobbiemcgee]

Finally, I’ll just leave this here since we’re talking about what taxpayers pay for:

As of July 7, 2023, Biden has spent 352 days — 39.2% of his presidency — on vacation. That's almost a full year!
He was inaugurated 1/20/21.
Trump spent at least that amount at golf course after he said he would't have time.

[bobbiemcgee]

Better if it was 100%

Did your guy get 1% of the vote.Wasted energy

[bobbiemcgee]

"See as president I could reclassify it. Now I can't."

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey everyone!! Bobbie just realized that Politicians (All of Them) get and spend money from PACS that supporters contribute freely to!
Hilarious that he thinks that is a Breaking News “gotcha”.
How did I get played? I sent no money. And taxpayers haven’t paid a dime of Trumps legal fees.

Lie. You said he pays his own legal bills. You didn't even know about the Save America pac.

[Strange Brew]

It will be hilarious if Biden runs on everyone paying their fair share again.

[GoMuskies]

Did your guy get 1% of the vote.Wasted energy

Are you drunk?

[bobbiemcgee]

Are you drunk?

You must have been

[Strange Brew]

You mist have been

Haha.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha

[Strange Brew]

Haha

Aw, Bobbie. What’s wrong?

[bobbiemcgee]

Aw, Bobbie. What’s wrong?

Not a thing. Love my Muskies and hate trump. Sue me.

[Strange Brew]

Not a thing. Love my Muskies and hate trump. Sue me.

Let’s go X! ;)

[Smails]

Lie. You said he pays his own legal bills.

No, he actually didn't say that. You said the taxpayers paid his bills, which was patently false....err a lie. He simply asked you how you know he wasn't paying his own bills. If someone gives money to you via a PAC and you use that money to pay legal bills, you are indeed paying your own bills. Carry on...

[bobbiemcgee]

Except millions and millions in legal fees. He's a billionaire. Pay them yourself.

Show me where I ever said "taxpayers'. Never used the word. Research before you criticize.

[bobbiemcgee]

That isn’t on taxpayers. Those are on donors. They can do what they want.
What’s it to you Bobbie?? It’s a free country, in most places. Jealous?


Who said it was. You lied. Yes if idiots want to squander their hard earned cash I have no problemo with it .

I did a search of the entire topic for 'taxpayers and 2 names came up you and MOR.

[bobbiemcgee]

That isn’t on taxpayers. Those are on donors. They can do what they want.
What’s it to you Bobbie?? It’s a free country, in most places. Jealous?


Who said it was. You lied. Yes if idiots want to squander their hard earned cash I have no problemo with it .

Btw the govt did pay for his defense in the Carroll case.

[noteggs]

I thought no reasonable prosecutor would press charges on someone destroying a server? Oh wait, guess if you suggest destruction versus destroying one makes it prosecutable for obstruction. I got it now.

By no means do I support Trump. Just pointing out the hypocrisy and why he still has so many supporters.

[bobbiemcgee]

He lost his 475 million lawsuit vs CNN.

[Strange Brew]

Joe forgot to sign an executive order during a signing ceremony. Maybe the Dems could run somebody else this time around.

[bobbiemcgee]

You know trump did the same in '17.

[Strange Brew]

You know trump did the same in '17.

So what? He’s not the President. Nice whataboutism. Haha.

I’m not rooting for Trump however he has a better record than Joe on policy.

[bobbiemcgee]

You are somewhat confused. President from '16 to '20.

[XU_Lou]

You are somewhat confused. President from '16 to '20.

No, he was prez from 17-21. You seem to struggle with timelines quite a bit...


BTW, are you fact checking yourself:
You know trump did the same in '17.


Do you already have a buzz on?

[Strange Brew]

You are somewhat confused. President from '16 to '20.

No, he wasn’t Bobbie.

He’s not the current Pres. Mods, is there a crayon font I can use when responding to Bobbie?

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump did the Same thing when he was Pres. Do you need a picture? Duh

[Strange Brew]

Trump did the Same thing when he was Pres. Do you need a picture? Duh

No I don’t. Not sure why that’s relevant.

Is he’s just as bad as Trump the reason for your dogged support? What ever will you do if Trump doesn’t win the nomination? Probably await WaPo to push bogus stories like “Russian Collusion” or “bullying a HS classmate (Romney)” to distract from Biden’s record and corruption.

[bobbiemcgee]

No, he was prez from 17-21. You seem to struggle with timelines quite a bit...


BTW, are you fact checking yourself:



semantics, so missed 20 days. FACT? put down the legos and see below:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-forgets-to-sign-executive-order-911564355790

[XU_Lou]

semantics, so missed 20 days. FACT? put down the legos and see below:

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/trump-forgets-to-sign-executive-order-911564355790

And why am I supposed to care?

[XU_Lou]

Looks like absolute panic has set-in. Not a good look...

"The DOJ is trying to arrest Devon Archer ahead of his bombshell testimony Monday about Joe Biden’s involvement in his son Hunter’s Ukraine business when he was VP. US attorney in the SDNY Damian Williams issued a menacing letter yesterday - Saturday - telling Judge Abrams to order Archer to go to jail immediately to serve a one year sentence for his fraud conviction."

https://twitter.com/mirandadevine/status/1685673614840840192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1685674959404748800%7Ctwgr% 5Eb7cb386058214b4463b3d7dec969837b626e77f9%7Ctwcon %5Es2_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthelibertydaily.com%2Fapople ctic-biden-crime-family-panics-doj-trying-to-arrest-and-silence-devon-archer-before-bombshell-testimony%2F

"Archer, 48, who is facing jail for his role in a $60 million bond fraud, is scheduled to testify to the House Oversight Committee about meetings he witnessed that were attended by Joe Biden either in person or via speakerphone when Hunter would call his father and introduce him to foreign business partners or prospective investors."

https://thelibertydaily.com/apoplectic-biden-crime-family-panics-doj-trying-to-arrest-and-silence-devon-archer-before-bombshell-testimony/

Now the Democrats are going to find out what we've known since 2020.

[bobbiemcgee]

So convicted felon like cohen.

[Strange Brew]

So convicted felon like cohen.

Kind of except this one was Kerry’s campaign manager.

[paulxu]

I think Archer was a campaign advisor and co-chaired a finance committee for Kerry.
Maybe Joe could pardon him like Trump did Manafort.

[Strange Brew]

I think Archer was a campaign advisor and co-chaired a finance committee for Kerry.
Maybe Joe could pardon him like Trump did Manafort.

Maybe, doubt it though.

[noteggs]

Well to be fair, the cupboard is rather thin for upstanding former business partners to testify. You have drug dealers, strippers, hookers, and felon board members.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sounds like trump admin but he only hired the " best people".

[XU_Lou]

Prediction: Trump will be indicted tomorrow for eating a ham sandwich in 1997.

[X-band '01]

CBS News - Trump Indicted By Grand Jury In Special Counsel Jack Smith's 1/6 Investigation (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-indicted-grand-jury-jan-6/)

And the Orange Messiah has been officially indicted by the feds for his role on January 6:

- Conspiracy to defraud the United States
- Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding
- Obstruction of and attempt to obstruct an official proceeding
- Conspiracy against "rights"

[bobbiemcgee]

567 yrs.

[paulxu]

I wonder if the attorneys in the indictment can see the bus that’s about to run them over.

[GoMuskies]

If Trump is elected President, does he govern from prison? Does he just have the White House designated as a federal prison? So many fun times ahead.

[noteggs]

Mission accomplished!

Devon Archer who?

[STL_XUfan]

If Trump is elected President, does he govern from prison? Does he just have the White House designated as a federal prison? So many fun times ahead.
First budget has an earmark for 36 holes at that federal prison.

[xuphan]

We are closing in on on one year before the 2024 election and the Democrats and Republicans best candidates for the job are Joe Biden and Donald Trump. What in the world is wrong with these political unions?

[XU_Lou]

The same jackals and hyenas are going to be sorely disappointed....once again.

[Muskie in dayton]

How come every time major evidence of Biden's crimes comes to light, Trump gets another indictment?

[bobbiemcgee]

What's the evidence? Archer was a nothingburger.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We are closing in on on one year before the 2024 election and the Democrats and Republicans best candidates for the job are Joe Biden and Donald Trump. What in the world is wrong with these political unions?

Depressing, isn't it?

[Smails]

Depressing, isn't it?

It's ridiculous..

Senile old man in complete cognitive decline, who can't seem to make sentences versus a loose cannon sociopath under federal indictment. We live in amazing times.

https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-data-guru-trump-historically-160938118.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

[paulxu]

A considered reflection on his party's current situation by President George H. Bush's minister for the last years of Bush's life.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/01/opinions/trump-gop-leaders-republican-party-moral-decline-levenson/index.html

[XUOWNSUC]

A vote for Trump is basically a vote for Kamala Harris. Trump can't beat Biden and when Biden eventually loses all mental capacity (if he hasn't already) half way through his second term, Harris will become president. Doesn't that make you want to throw up?

Wake up Republicans! Please! Pick anybody other than Trump. It's really not that hard.

[GoMuskies]

20-25% of US voters are willing to follow Trump off a cliff, if necessary. It's an odd phenomenon.

[Smails]

20-25% of US voters are willing to follow Trump off a cliff, if necessary. It's an odd phenomenon.

And 81 million people voted for a walking...err falling corpse as our President. It's freaking bizzaro world out there

[bobbiemcgee]

They considered the alternative. Nutjob.

[GoMuskies]

They considered the alternative. Nutjob.

To be honest, it's sadly a pretty close call between the two.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's Not Great, Bob!

[bobbiemcgee]

The indictment was based on testimony exclusively by Republicans, so who can they blame this time? Hunter? Lol

[paulxu]

Clearly, even if they were the best people working in his administration, they must all be RINOS.

[noteggs]

It's ridiculous..

Senile old man in complete cognitive decline, who can't seem to make sentences versus a loose cannon sociopath under federal indictment. We live in amazing times.

https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-data-guru-trump-historically-160938118.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

There’s a lot more unflattering adjectives you can describe both, but point well taken.

[Smails]

In other news the US credit rating was reduced by Fitch for the second time in history.

Fitch cited "a steady deterioration in standards of governance" as a major reason behind its decision on Tuesday evening.

Carry on...

[bjf123]

Wasn’t Biden the VP the last time our credit was downgraded? Coincidence? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[bobbiemcgee]

They have been fighting over the friggin' debt limit for 20 years. Like going on vacation and then refusing to pay the CC bill. You already spent the money.

[X-band '01]

And 81 million people voted for a walking...err falling corpse as our President. It's freaking bizzaro world out there


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhCjMfRndk

[STL_XUfan]

All of the Republican nominees are falling right back into the 2016 trap of thinking that Trump will fall under his own weight, and when he does that his base will move to whoever said nice things about him. If you are trying to be the "Trump without the baggage candidate," you are not going to get anyone to support you over him if your talking point is the baggage is all made up. I am just at a loss on the political strategy of the other candidates, unless they are all running to be VP.

[Smails]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJhCjMfRndk

Great clip..man I miss the days when our Presidents actually had some quick wit and humor. Reagan and Clinton were master communicators. The guy in the house now combines 3 words into one and shakes hands with people who aren't there. Like I said before..amazing times

[D-West & PO-Z]

Great clip..man I miss the days when our Presidents actually had some quick wit and humor. Reagan and Clinton were master communicators. The guy in the house now combines 3 words into one and shakes hands with people who aren't there. Like I said before..amazing times

Great response. I'd imagine he had that response rehearsed and ready for weeks though, knowing a questions about age would arise.

But yeah, even being ready for weeks, not sure our current 2 candidates could have delivered that even close coherently.

[paulxu]

I think the challenge they have is what Trump said:

Former Trump White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham recalls a moment when former President Donald Trump told her, "As long as you keep repeating something, it doesn't matter what you say."
The use of the "Big Lie" has a lot of historical examples that are familiar.


The OSS psychological profile of Hitler described his use of the big lie:
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

If upwards to 70% of one party now believe the lie about the election being stolen, it's hard to get them to vote for you if you offer the truth.
It's a real uphill battle.
You may be right that they are running for VP and have to stay on board.

[Smails]

, not sure our current 2 candidates could have delivered that even close coherently.

Yeah, not even close. Biden would start speaking in jibberish tongues and then deliver a big "cummon man!" at the end. Trump would go into attack mode and give out some sophomoric nickname.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, not even close. Biden would start speaking in jibberish tongues and then deliver a big "cummon man!" at the end. Trump would go into attack mode and give out some sophomoric nickname.

Yep

[bobbiemcgee]

I think the challenge they have is what Trump said:

The use of the "Big Lie" has a lot of historical examples that are familiar.



https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot

If upwards to 70% of one party now believe the lie about the election being stolen, it's hard to get them to vote for you if you offer the truth.
It's a real uphill battle.
You may be right that they are running for VP and have to stay on board.

the Lying' King certainly unloaded a ton of pixie dust on these people.

[xuphan]

the Lying' King certainly unloaded a ton of pixie dust on these people.

Jim Jones also had quite the following. They believed everything he said. Scores of people left the country to follow him to “Jonesville” where they sadly followed him to their own death.

[Muskie in dayton]

All of the Republican nominees are falling right back into the 2016 trap of thinking that Trump will fall under his own weight, and when he does that his base will move to whoever said nice things about him. If you are trying to be the "Trump without the baggage candidate," you are not going to get anyone to support you over him if your talking point is the baggage is all made up. I am just at a loss on the political strategy of the other candidates, unless they are all running to be VP.
If you’re a Republican not trying to be the Trump without baggage candidate, you’re actually a Democrat.

[Masterofreality]

This is a lengthy article but well worth reading.
No, it’s not from Fox, or Daily Caller or a right wing publication. It’s from Tablet magazine
The myth that is Barack Obama and how it has, and continues to divide the country.
Obama continues to be the Puppetmaster behind Biden and a rampant Anti-Semite. Hence his focus on the “Iran Deal”
Be aware:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama

[paulxu]

Interesting article.
I certainly don't see Obama as a "rampant AntiSemite" from the article, but it is reminiscent of Eisenhower's jeep driver and Kennedy's liaisons like Marilyn Monroe. Stuff presidents might have wished they were a little wiser in earlier (or later) days.
Sort of wants us to believe Obama is a kind of puppet master. Hard to imagine.

[GoMuskies]

This is a lengthy article but well worth reading.
No, it’s not from Fox, or Daily Caller or a right wing publication. It’s from Tablet magazine
The myth that is Barack Obama and how it has, and continues to divide the country.
Obama continues to be the Puppetmaster behind Biden and a rampant Anti-Semite. Hence his focus on the “Iran Deal”
Be aware:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama

Interesting read. Made a short flight go by quickly this morning! The part about Clarence Thomas and the Supreme Court near the end was particularly interesting.

[Smails]

Interesting article.
I certainly don't see Obama as a "rampant AntiSemite" from the article, but it is reminiscent of Eisenhower's jeep driver and Kennedy's liaisons like Marilyn Monroe. Stuff presidents might have wished they were a little wiser in earlier (or later) days.
Sort of wants us to believe Obama is a kind of puppet master. Hard to imagine.

Why is it hard to imagine? Obama spent 8 years in the White House..you don't get to do that unless you are able to manipulate and control people, narratives and outcomes. Just because he comes off as a nice guy..cool dude, doesn't mean he's not a master operator.

[paulxu]

I suppose. But Biden spent years in the Senate and time as VP.
Don't see him as the type to have strings pulled.
Would like to have the wisdom in the R's that George H. displayed and the Senate with Nixon.
That's what's really changed.

[GoMuskies]

Biden is a dementia patient. Perhaps true of 15 years ago Joe.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump's father died of dementia. Maybe reason he can't understand he lost.Lol

[paulxu]

Biden is a dementia patient. Perhaps true of 15 years ago Joe.


Trump's father died of dementia. Maybe reason he can't understand he lost.Lol

Our political parties are not serving us well by failing to promote and offer younger, qualified candidates for office.

[Masterofreality]

Sort of wants us to believe Obama is a kind of puppet master. Hard to imagine.

Why? Why hasn’t he moved out of DC like the other Prezzes? Except to a rich ass community for the summer?
Resurrecting the Iran deal smacks of OBama all over.

[Masterofreality]

Obama- the guy who allegedly cares about others-but only if they’re rich and helpful.
The ultimate charlatan.

“What do the Obamas and their circle have in common with each other? They are Ivy League people, who ran away from whatever they came from in order to become members of the credentialed elites, whose loyalty is to the system that gives them prestige—or rather, gives prestige to their degrees, of which they are the holders. Once they pair off and reproduce under the seal of Harvard or Yale, they may find it seemly to donate money to an NGO that offers microloans to female entrepreneurs in Pakistan. So why should Obama, the ultimate winner, carry on the charade that he’s part of a community, whatever that means, with these people? He’s happy to go on NPR and talk about meaning or Marilynne Robinson novels or whatever, to make the wine moms identify with him, so he can put one over on them. Just don’t ask him to visit the hospital when you get cancer, because he’ll be hanging out on someone’s yacht, with the other winners.

But in Springfield, there’s a real community of Illinois politicos. There’s a guy named Matt Jones who was very helpful to Barack, who in fact came down with some incredibly rare cancer about two, three years ago. And the person who was the centerpiece of this was a guy who was a Senate judiciary staffer named Pete Baroni, a really wonderful man. So, Pete organized some crowdfunding thing for Matt. And so, you could see everybody in Springfield, Democratic and Republican, had donated to Matt Jones.

And then very early on in COVID, about six, eight weeks into COVID, the woman who was finance director on Barack’s Senate primary run, Claire Serdiuk, up and died at age 50, leaving behind a 4-year-old. And when I went to the GoFundMe page for Claire, you could see everybody who’d worked on the Obama primary campaign, and then Claire went to SEIU [Service Employees International Union], and the folks at SEIU all donated. Anybody whom I’ve interviewed in that situation, I would donate to, always have.

But Barack has no interest in any of that. It’s just not there.”

[bobbiemcgee]

"The ultimate charlatan" is a billionaire who gets his legal fees (40 million and counting) paid by his misguided supporters. Pay them yourself.

[MADXSTER]

Does anyone really believe that Biden is running the country?

[Xuperman]

Does anyone really believe that Biden is running the country?

Or that when introduced to Hunter's foreign business partners, he only talked about the weather?

[STL_XUfan]

Does anyone really believe that Biden is running the country?

Or that when introduced to Hunter's foreign business partners, he only talked about the weather?

Ahh Schrödinger's Biden. He is a weak senile alzheimer's patient that is also the head of a massive, and uncatchable, criminal syndicate.

[paulxu]

Apparently it’s not OK to intimidate witnesses in a federal trial.
Who knew.

[Muskie in dayton]

Ahh Schrödinger's Biden. He is a weak senile alzheimer's patient that was the head of a massive, and uncatchable, criminal syndicate.
Fixed that for you.

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess you'll feel better with the Gestapo back in office. Oh, and senile trump will be 80. Stupid.He'll put in another tax cut for himself and hopefully die.

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently it’s not OK to intimidate witnesses in a federal trial.
Who knew.

Hopefully will be fined for contempt.

[bobbiemcgee]

7million dead people voted. See your mental health Professional.

[bobbiemcgee]

Does anyone really believe that Biden is running the country?

Did you get you PlayStation. Lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Or that when introduced to Hunter's foreign business partners, he only talked about the weather?


Ahh Schrödinger's Biden. He is a weak senile alzheimer's patient that is also the head of a massive, and uncatchable, criminal syndicate.

Maybe cough up the 12.50 for a membership to be taken seriously.

[bobbiemcgee]

Or that when introduced to Hunter's foreign business partners, he only talked about the weather?

Trumps kid got 2 billion from the Saudis. They have spent 3 million trying to dig up dirt on Joe. Nothing burger so far. Waste of taxpayers money.

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5yMcDsfjhE

[XU_Lou]

Looks like Bobbie is hitting the bottle pretty hard about now. ????


Waggy - glad you posted this. Why isn't this a far far bigger story?

[MADXSTER]

Wow!

[paulxu]

If you get a chance, the DC indictment makes for fascinating reading.
I recognize there are hearings on the “weaponization” of the Justice Dept, but if you want to see that in actual practice, it is nicely laid out how they were pressured to do illegal actions by the last administration.

[XU_Lou]

Or you could read Huckleberry Finn, or just about any other fictional tale.

[bobbiemcgee]

Expect to see benghazi after benghazi with the 'pubs. Do they have the votes to get anything done? Nope.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=XU_Lou;766088]Looks like Bobbie is hitting the bottle pretty hard about n/QUOTE]

For the price of a couple of drinks, you could support the site.

[XU_Lou]

Keep fighting the good fight bro!

[XU_Lou]

So, it's quite apparent that the dictator-in-chief is doing his damnedest to pull off Castro-style elimination of all opposition.

1) the numerous phony charges against Trump

2) Not debating RFK Jr., denying him Secret Service protection, while encouraging his goons in social media to censor and suppress his freedom of speech.

3) Now we have a hit piece on Cornell West from his goons at The Daily Beast alleging that West has $500k in unpaid taxes. Strangely, and quite tellingly, "The IRS has filed liens against West for the years 2005, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017, when he failed to pay anywhere from more than $62,000 to nearly $137,000 in taxes." So why now???? Why was he allowed to get away with this, if indeed it's true, for so long? Why is this being brought forward, while at the same time his son walks free for the exact same crime?

4) The "No Labels" party appears to be in the crosshairs of Fidel Biden as well:

"Matt Bennett, executive vice president for public affairs at Third Way, and Rahna Epting, the executive director of MoveOn, will speak to Democratic senators’ top aides, according to the invitation. The invite tells chiefs of staff dryly that the two “want to share some information that they have on No Labels.” "


Biden is a direct "threat to our democracy". It's obvious he will literally do anything to stay in office.

[paulxu]

Easy to tell who hasn’t read the indictment.

[XU_Lou]

Easy to tell who gets hoodwinked by MSNBC every time, and doesn't know the law.

[X-band '01]

Easy to tell who hasn’t read the indictment.

Well yeah, we know Kevin McCarthy hasn't read it.

[Strange Brew]

Well yeah, we know Kevin McCarthy hasn't read it.

Probably he has. Maybe you could post a link to it?

[bobbiemcgee]

Easy to tell who gets hoodwinked by MSNBC every time, and doesn't know the law.

Yeah all the witnesses against him are republicans lol RINO's?

[xuphan]

So, it's quite apparent that the dictator-in-chief is doing his damnedest to pull off Castro-style elimination of all opposition.

1) the numerous phony charges against Trump

2) Not debating RFK Jr., denying him Secret Service protection, while encouraging his goons in social media to censor and suppress his freedom of speech.

3) Now we have a hit piece on Cornell West from his goons at The Daily Beast alleging that West has $500k in unpaid taxes. Strangely, and quite tellingly, "The IRS has filed liens against West for the years 2005, 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017, when he failed to pay anywhere from more than $62,000 to nearly $137,000 in taxes." So why now???? Why was he allowed to get away with this, if indeed it's true, for so long? Why is this being brought forward, while at the same time his son walks free for the exact same crime?

4) The "No Labels" party appears to be in the crosshairs of Fidel Biden as well:

"Matt Bennett, executive vice president for public affairs at Third Way, and Rahna Epting, the executive director of MoveOn, will speak to Democratic senators’ top aides, according to the invitation. The invite tells chiefs of staff dryly that the two “want to share some information that they have on No Labels.” "


Biden is a direct "threat to our democracy". It's obvious he will literally do anything to stay in office.

You don’t think Trump is a threat to our democracy and would do literally anything (BIG LIE) to stay in office? I totally get the Biden hate but how Trump isn’t also mentioned in this last two sentences is baffling.

[XU_Lou]

[/B]

You don’t think Trump is a threat to our democracy and would do literally anything (BIG LIE) to stay in office? I totally get the Biden hate but how Trump isn’t also mentioned in this last two sentences is baffling.

Well, we're about to find out for sure one way or the other if and how much the Dems cheated in 2020. The discovery process for Trump in his indictments could be quite revealing, and turn out to be a real bitch for Biden and the Dems.

The use of the term "BIG LIE" is actually a lie as well. To say there was no cheating in 2020 by the Dems is willful ignorance on your part.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, 7 million dead people
Voted. All for Biden

[bobbiemcgee]

Marines and now Army without leaders thx to Tuberville.

[Strange Brew]

[/B]

You don’t think Trump is a threat to our democracy and would do literally anything (BIG LIE) to stay in office? I totally get the Biden hate but how Trump isn’t also mentioned in this last two sentences is baffling.

Huh, here I thought the big lie was Russian Collusion. Which was used to influence 2020. Sounds like the Left will do anything to stay in power to me.

[Xville]

Huh, here I thought the big lie was Russian Collusion. Which was used to influence 2020. Sounds like the Left will do anything to stay in power to me.

None of this complete nonsense is solely one party or the other. Both want the same thing and are guilty of the same thing. Not directed to you, but it’s messed up that there are some on this board who truly believes it’s the other party that is always at fault.

[xuphan]

Huh, here I thought the big lie was Russian Collusion. Which was used to influence 2020. Sounds like the Left will do anything to stay in power to me.

Huh? Both parties will do anything to stay in power. The whole gerrymandering issue is case in point. Sounds like both parties do it but it amazes me how some on here can’t call out both parties for doing the same thing.

[Strange Brew]

[/B]

Huh? Both parties will do anything to stay in power. The whole gerrymandering issue is case in point. Sounds like both parties do it but it amazes me how some on here can’t call out both parties for doing the same thing.

Was pointing that out with the post.

[X-band '01]

[/B]

Huh? Both parties will do anything to stay in power. The whole gerrymandering issue is case in point. Sounds like both parties do it but it amazes me how some on here can’t call out both parties for doing the same thing.

New York is an example where Democrats got too greedy trying to gerrymander their Congressional maps. That's how we ended up with Anthony Devolder "aka George Santos" for 2 years. Florida, Ohio, Texas and North Carolina are examples of GOP gerrymandering on the Congressional side.

[Strange Brew]

New York is an example where Democrats got too greedy trying to gerrymander their Congressional maps. That's how we ended up with Anthony Devolder "aka George Santos" for 2 years. Florida, Ohio, Texas and North Carolina are examples of GOP gerrymandering on the Congressional side.

The Dems have been gerrymandering many States for many years and only made it an issue when the other side adopted their tactics.

Similar to Garland and the SCOTUS. That was for Bork and others.

Get ready for the Rs to ballot harvest like crazy where it’s legal and the Dems to get mad about it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Huh, here I thought the big lie was Russian Collusion. Which was used to influence 2020. Sounds like the Left will do anything to stay in power to me.

Bork? 40 yrs. Ago?

[XU_Lou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5yMcDsfjhE

Oh, nothing to see here:

Chinese-run biolab in California that was experimenting on deadly viruses was awarded over $500,000 in US TAXPAYER cash

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12374471/Chinese-run-biolab-California-experimenting-deadly-viruses-awarded-500-000-TAXPAYER-cash.html

[bobbiemcgee]

Ohio #1 NOOOOOO

[bjf123]

Ohio #1 NOOOOOO

I’m disappointed, but not at all surprised.


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[GoMuskies]

Feinstein is back in the hospital. Why is she still a Senator?

[xuphan]

Feinstein is back in the hospital. Why is she still a Senator?

Maybe because the left and right argue constantly about the same topics that will never get resolved instead of actually focusing on bipartisan legislation that an overwhelming majority of Americans agree on. Like term limits.

[noteggs]

Can’t say I’m too disappointed with the results because that’s the way Ohio has done business for the last 100 years. From the results, there will be a time when both parties benefit and a time each will be pissed.

Now can we stop with the August special elections!

[bjf123]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the abortion amendment in November. I think it’s too extreme, potentially allowing abortion up to the moment of birth. Sorry, but that’s wrong.


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[Masterofreality]

Ohio #1 NOOOOOO

Just keep killing babies! Congratulations!!
Nothing like letting out of state progressives try to run roughshod on Ohio’s constitution!
By the way. Kind of interesting that Bobbie lives in a state where a simple majority cannot amend its Constitution, but he’s commenting on Ohio.

[Strange Brew]

Just keep killing babies! Congratulations!!
Nothing like letting out of state progressives try to run roughshod on Ohio’s constitution!
By the way. Kind of interesting that Bobbie lives in a state where a simple majority cannot amend its Constitution, but he’s commenting on Ohio.

Shh, don't give him any ideas.

[xuphan]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the abortion amendment in November. I think it’s too extreme, potentially allowing abortion up to the moment of birth. Sorry, but that’s wrong.


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I am glad Issue 1 was voted down but I have a feeling we will get an extreme abortion amendment for the left. If it allows abortions up until birth it will be a hard no for me.

[xukeith]

Put it on the ballot

[STL_XUfan]

It will be interesting to see what happens with the abortion amendment in November. I think it’s too extreme, potentially allowing abortion up to the moment of birth. Sorry, but that’s wrong.


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Except it doesn’t. The ballot language can be found here from the attorney general: https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/cf27c10f-b153-4731-ae9e-e3555a326ed9/The-Right-to-Reproductive-Freedom-with-Protections-for-Health-and-Safety.aspx

It directly permits prohibitions on abortion after fetal viability.

[X-band '01]

If you want to blame anyone for this "gotcha" election, blame Frank LaRose and the Ohio Legislature. They were perfectly eager to get donations from out-of-state donors like Uehlein out of Illinois, I might add.

I'm sure the Republicans will thank the voters later on once they find a future issue that requires the will of the Ohio voters and not a heavily (and illegally) gerrymandered state legislature.

[paulxu]

Except it doesn’t. The ballot language can be found here from the attorney general: https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/cf27c10f-b153-4731-ae9e-e3555a326ed9/The-Right-to-Reproductive-Freedom-with-Protections-for-Health-and-Safety.aspx

It directly permits prohibitions on abortion after fetal viability.

So, the old Catholic Church approach up to the 1800’s.

[bjf123]

Except it doesn’t. The ballot language can be found here from the attorney general: https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/getattachment/cf27c10f-b153-4731-ae9e-e3555a326ed9/The-Right-to-Reproductive-Freedom-with-Protections-for-Health-and-Safety.aspx

It directly permits prohibitions on abortion after fetal viability.

“But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.” (emphasis mine).

Had it ended at “life”, I’d see no issue. However, “health” is rather vague and would correctly include mental health. If you don’t think a woman who wants to end the pregnancy after viability will have any trouble finding a physician (maybe at Planned Parenthood?) willing to say it’s necessary for her mental health, and therefore cannot be prohibited, you’re incredibly naive.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Shh, don't give him any ideas.

It passed by a landslide.

[bobbiemcgee]

Somebody tried to kill Biden. Check on Lou, MOR and SB, MID and wet willie.

[GoMuskies]

Somebody tried to kill Biden. Check on Lou, MOR and SB

Was it Kamala?

[bobbiemcgee]

Put it on the ballot

Can't stop women from voting.

[Masterofreality]

It passed by a landslide.

What? Your 55% requirement in Colorado to amend your Constitution?
You can stop bitching about Ohio’s “Citizens’ “Rights”.

[Masterofreality]

Somebody tried to kill Biden. Check on Lou, MOR and SB, MID and wet willie.

Barack Obama did.
“Never understate Joe Biden’s ability to F… things up.”

[Strange Brew]

It passed by a landslide.

I was referencing TBOR and it was a joke.

[bobbiemcgee]

What? Your 55% requirement in Colorado to amend your Constitution?
You can stop bitching about Ohio’s “Citizens’ “Rights”.

Who's bitching.? Could careless. YOUR voters spoke.

[Masterofreality]

Who's bitching.? Could careless. YOUR voters spoke.

You seemed to be very giddy about Ohio Repub politicians losing an effort to make it harder to change the State Constitution when the state you live in already does. 55%
You should probably just sit this one out hypocrite.

[xuwillie]

You seemed to be very giddy about Ohio Repub politicians losing an effort to make it harder to change the State Constitution when the state you live in already does. 55%
You should probably just sit this one out hypocrite.

Goes to show you some people will still use their brain to vote unlike the left that will always vote one way not matter what.

[94GRAD]

Goes to show you some people will still use their brain to vote unlike the left that will always vote one way not matter what.

I know a shitton of people on the right that always vote one way no matter what. It works both ways!

[bobbiemcgee]

You seemed to be very giddy about Ohio Repub politicians losing an effort to make it harder to change the State Constitution when the state you live in already does. 55%
You should probably just sit this one out hypocrite.

like I said, could careless what you do in Ohio.,We like our 55%. Your a name caller like trump. Go punch out y,our neighbors. All I did was report it failed like it will in Nov.

[Xville]

I know a shitton of people on the right that always vote one way no matter what. It works both ways!

No kidding. Are people really this stupid that they think these issues are only on one side? I mean wake the f up people.

[noteggs]

“But in no case may such an abortion be prohibited if in the professional judgment of the pregnant patient’s treating physician it is necessary to protect the pregnant patient’s life or health.” (emphasis mine).

Had it ended at “life”, I’d see no issue. However, “health” is rather vague and would correctly include mental health. If you don’t think a woman who wants to end the pregnancy after viability will have any trouble finding a physician (maybe at Planned Parenthood?) willing to say it’s necessary for her mental health, and therefore cannot be prohibited, you’re incredibly naive.


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Well this does read like a lawyer’s dream (not a slight at STL). Since there is no medical consensus on fetus viability, there will be numerous interpretations. Especially with PP as you alluded to.

Also the words, “including but not limited to” is about ambiguous as it gets. Curious is this the official language that will be used?

[GoMuskies]

Somebody tried to kill Biden. Check on Lou, MOR and SB, MID and wet willie.

The police killed a white guy?!? I didn't think that was a thing.

[xuwillie]

No kidding. Are people really this stupid that they think these issues are only on one side? I mean wake the f up people.

Im not saying it doesn’t happen on on just one side. What I am saying is the left (typically)always vote one way while most of my conservative friends vote on issues not party affiliation. Hell I live in steamboat and we talk about this shit all the time and my liberal fiends even say the same thing. Why Colorado is screwed :)

[Xville]

Im not saying it doesnÂ’t happen on on just one side. What I am saying is the left (typically)always vote one way while most of my conservative friends vote on issues not party affiliation. Hell I live in steamboat and we talk about this shit all the time and my liberal fiends even say the same thing. Why Colorado is screwed :)

I have friends and family on both sides with varying degrees of slant. The moderates on both sides vote on issues. The ones who are more “extreme” on both sides almost always vote party. I think what you described might have been the case even as recent as ten years ago, I don’t think that’s the case anymore.

[STL_XUfan]

Well this does read like a lawyer’s dream (not a slight at STL). Since there is no medical consensus on fetus viability, there will be numerous interpretations. Especially with PP as you alluded to.

Also the words, “including but not limited to” is about ambiguous as it gets. Curious is this the official language that will be used?

I would much prefer the decision be made by the healthcare provider rather than a doctor or pharmacist having to call a lawyer to determine if they can treat their patient or do they need to wait until she is more critical.

Lets be honest, lawyers are lawyers cause we we were shit at science.

[STL_XUfan]

Double post

[xuphan]

Goes to show you some people will still use their brain to vote unlike the left that will always vote one way not matter what.

Really? Only the left votes one way no matter what?

[Muskie in dayton]

Somebody tried to kill Biden. Check on Lou, MOR and SB, MID and wet willie.
First, thank you for recognizing that I love my country so much as to think I would off the POS who is destroying it, but I would never murder. Instead I rest confidently that Biden’s justice will come when he has to answer to God for his destructive policies and his crimes.

Secondly and unrelated, I no voted Ohio issue 1, because I can recognize the good of the State over partisan BS. I’ll let you pause to pick up the pieces of your head.

[bjf123]

Well this does read like a lawyer’s dream (not a slight at STL). Since there is no medical consensus on fetus viability, there will be numerous interpretations. Especially with PP as you alluded to.

Also the words, “including but not limited to” is about ambiguous as it gets. Curious is this the official language that will be used?

Yep. “Including but not limited to” is the official language in the proposed amendment.


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[Strange Brew]

like I said, could careless what you do in Ohio.,We like our 55%. Your a name caller like trump. Go punch out y,our neighbors. All I did was report it failed like it will in Nov.

Hey Bobbie, where are you watching the Shootout this year?

Maybe you, Willie and I could meet up.

You know, because I think we all can agree UC is worse than Trump/Biden.

[paulxu]

Feinstein is back in the hospital. Why is she still a Senator?

Because, like McConnell, she's too selfish to give up her seat for her state, or country. Not a good way to go out for a politician.

[STL_XUfan]

Because, like McConnell, she's too selfish to give up her seat for her state, or country. Not a good way to go out for a politician.
The Dems would be unable to replace her on the Judiciary committee without consent of the Republicans, so it would be the end of Biden being able to appoint any judges.

Should have never ran for re-election. We really need a constitutional amendment to impose age restrictions at all levels of government.

[Smails]

Because, like McConnell, she's too selfish to give up her seat for her state, or country. Not a good way to go out for a politician.

LOL..you just can't help yourself.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ahh the benefits of a corrupt scotus. 38 free trips.

[X-band '01]

Meanwhile, the newest Moron of the Year is...

CBS News - FTX Founder Sam Bankman-Fried Jailed By Federal Judge For Alleged Witness Tampering (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sam-bankman-fried-ftx-jail-federal-judge-witness-tampering/)

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey Bobbie, where are you watching the Shootout this year?

Maybe you, Willie and I could meet up.

You know, because I think we all can agree UC is worse than Trump/Biden.

I go to whatever bar the Denver X club picks..

[Masterofreality]

Garland finally appoints a special counsel in the Hunter Biden case.
Of course within the swamp.

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-special-counsel-david-weiss-investigating-probe/

[bjf123]

Garland finally appoints a special counsel in the Hunter Biden case.
Of course within the swamp.

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-special-counsel-david-weiss-investigating-probe/

Anyone think this might be to keep the Republican controlled House from doing their much more public investigation?


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[bobbiemcgee]

Garland finally appoints a special counsel in the Hunter Biden case.
Of course within the swamp.

https://thespectator.com/topic/hunter-biden-special-counsel-david-weiss-investigating-probe/

Should know more in about 10* yrs��

[XU_Lou]

Rich Men North Of Richmond:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro

"This is the anthem of this era, the angry shout of the many against the boot of the few, pressing merciless at their throats. Awaken, the fight is not between us, it never was."

Amen...

[Strange Brew]

Rich Men North Of Richmond:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqSA-SY5Hro

"This is the anthem of this era, the angry shout of the many against the boot of the few, pressing merciless at their throats. Awaken, the fight is not between us, it never was."

Amen...

Apparently Rolling Stone is mad about it. No wonder it’s #1 on iTunes. :)

The song is as depressing and reminiscent of Jerry Jeff Walker’s “Mr. Bojangles”

[XU_Lou]

Apparently Rolling Stone is mad about it. No wonder it’s #1 on iTunes. :)

The song is as depressing and reminiscent of Jerry Jeff Walker’s “Mr. Bojangles”

I can see that. I was thinking it was more in line with Lennon's Working Class Hero.

It definitely seems to be resonating with the masses, at the same time sticking a finger into the eyes of our "betters".

[bobbiemcgee]

Question for the lawyers:
Apparently the internet is having a field day with my personal and medical info. In the last 3 months, I have letters from 2 hospitals and my prescription provider that all medical and personal info has been compromised thru their systems. I recently got a check from yahoo for almost $400 and didn't even know I was in the class action. I have double passwords on all my accts so haven't seen any attempts to hack me yet. So I guess my question is whether or not to pursue any of these class actions.?

[STL_XUfan]

Question for the lawyers:
Apparently the internet is having a field day with my personal and medical info. In the last 3 months, I have letters from 2 hospitals and my prescription provider that all medical and personal info has been compromised thru their systems. I recently got a check from yahoo for almost $400 and didn't even know I was in the class action. I have double passwords on all my accts so haven't seen any attempts to hack me yet. So I guess my question is whether or not to pursue any of these class actions.?

Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, there are only two types of people, people whose personal information has been leaked on the internet, and people who aren't aware that their personal information has been leaked on the internet. Once the equifax breach happened, it was all over.

So how to protect yourself. 2 factor authentication a good first step. You may want to look into a password manager like OnePass. Further, 2 factor only works if both factors are protected, so you should avoid using your cell phone number in public listings or otherwise posting it online. If someone spoofs your phone number they could easily get around your 2FA.

Second, you want to make sure you have some sort of credit monitoring in place. You can pull your credit report (not the score) for free once a year at www.annualcreditreport.com to make sure there is nothing suspicious. You should also have credit monitoring that alerts you if something changes. Most credit cards now offer this as a free add-on, but you could also use something like creditkarma.com to be alerted if something pops up on your credit.

If you want to be super careful, you are able to freeze your credit by contacting each of the credit bureaus. However, this can be annoying as you have to unfreeze each time you need to apply for new credit (and a huge pain in the ass if you forget your password to unfreeze it). Typically, being vigilant and catching it early should be enough.

As far as pursuing a class action, you can reach out to an attorney to see if they are looking for a class rep, but more likely than not they already have one or the case has already been started. If a class action has been filed, you have the option to opt out of the class to pursue your claim individually. The decision to do that is going to depend on how much free time you have to mess around in court and whether or not an attorney would take it on contingency or not (most likely will not unless you can show significant damage or a unique fact outside of the already pending class). Likely, you will just want to join the class and sit back and wait a few years until your tiny portion of the settlement arrives in the mail.

[bobbiemcgee]

Thanks. Great info. I figured it would years with miniscule results. I've had Credit Karma for years. Good site.

[Xville]

Dean Phillips seems like a decent democratic candidate for ‘24 that id like to see and hear more about. That probably means he doesn’t have a chance in hell to get the nomination.

[XU_Lou]

Yawn...

Anyway, to some real news. From Bribery Biden today:

2. We're laser-focused on getting aid to survivors, including Critical Needs Assistance: a one-time $700 payment per household offering relief during an unimaginably difficult time.

Are you kidding me? How many billions has this callous piece of shit given to Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1691109605278179328


Has Biden visited Maui yet? No.
Has he visited East Palestine yet? No.
Has he found any time in between his multiple beach trips to visit Ukraine? You bet your ass he has!

[xuphan]

Dean Phillips seems like a decent democratic candidate for ‘24 that id like to see and hear more about. That probably means he doesn’t have a chance in hell to get the nomination.

Political Unions are funding Joe Biden and Donald Trump at the moment. No one else has a shot currently.

[94GRAD]

If I set the O/U of debates Biden is allowed to participate in at 1.5, what side are you taking?

[GoMuskies]

Under

[paulxu]

Are you allowed to debate if you have more than 3 indictments pending ?

[Xville]

Ah another promising day of debate of which shitty candidate is shittier.

[STL_XUfan]

If I set the O/U of debates Biden is allowed to participate in at 1.5, what side are you taking?

I would take the over if one of those debates is a Townhall style. Otherwise it will be just 1.

[bjf123]

I would take the over if one of those debates is a Townhall style. Otherwise it will be just 1.

I’ll be surprised if Biden does any.


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[Smails]

Ah another promising day of debate of which shitty candidate is shittier.

We're fucked

[paulxu]

Is Fani Willis the Kraken that has been released?

[noteggs]

We're fucked

Still trying to figure out how we’ll get through all this regardless of the two fucked up candidates…