Politics Thread

[D-West & PO-Z]

A nice article about the Sisters

https://theathletic.com/4569981/2023/06/01/dodgers-pride-night-clayton-kershaw-sisters/?source=twitterhq


Thanks BJ. I would hope all the people who are so hateful about this organization would read it. A balanced narrative.

An article I would encourage you to read.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article276112306.html

[Masterofreality]

This link works just fine on my computer. Hope you are able to access and clear up you mistaken outlook on the Twitter Files.

https://www.techdirt.com/2023/06/05/twitter-admits-in-court-filing-elon-musk-is-simply-wrong-about-government-interference-at-twitter/

I have no interest in a biased portrayal of what narrative you and the left want to perpetrate.

Perhaps this unbiased Wikipedia article will show you something true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files

And to besmirch two true journalists is ludicrous.
Bari Weiss. An honest liberal journalist formerly of the New York Times, and Matt Taibbi, a liberal journalist formerly of Rolling Stone.
This isn’t Breitbart you are dealing with here.

[paulxu]

How sad that court filings by Twitter's own attorneys, that refute the allegations of Musk, Taibbi and Weiss...you chose to pass off as a "biased portrayal."

Do you actually think Twitter's own attorneys would lie in their characterization in court? You may truly have gone down the rabbit hole.

Of course if you just read to the very last paragraph of the Wikipedia article that you post to support how great their journalism is suppose to be, you have found this:

Aftermath

In June 2023 lawyers working for Twitter contested many of the claims made in the Twitter Files in court. According to CNN "Altogether, the filing by Musk’s own corporate lawyers represents a step-by-step refutation of some of the most explosive claims to come out of the Twitter Files and that in some cases have been promoted by Musk himself."[92]

Maybe the lawsuit and the filings are "Fake News."

[Masterofreality]

How sad that court filings by Twitter's own attorneys, that refute the allegations of Musk, Taibbi and Weiss...you chose to pass off as a "biased portrayal."

Do you actually think Twitter's own attorneys would lie in their characterization in court? You may truly have gone down the rabbit hole.

Of course if you just read to the very last paragraph of the Wikipedia article that you post to support how great their journalism is suppose to be, you have found this:


Maybe the lawsuit and the filings are "Fake News."

I prefer this description by CBS News.
You’re just mad that Musk took your compliant media mouthpiece away.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/twitter-files-matt-taibbi-bari-weiss-michael-shellenberger-elon-musk/

[paulxu]

A 6 month old story, with comments from those people....which have now been refuted by Twitter and Musk's own attorneys?
(stories change when you're in court; can't bullshit people)

OK then.

[Masterofreality]

A 6 month old story, with comments from those people....which have now been refuted by Twitter and Musk's own attorneys?
(stories change when you're in court; can't bullshit people)

OK then.

What are you trying to prove? Besmirch Musk? One of the greatest inventors of our time?
Besmirch Independent Quality Journalists? No other media source that I can find has said anything negative about Weiss, Taibbi’s and Shellenberger’s work. They even had screen shots of actual emails that backed up what they wrote.
Every other news media source seems to think it was great journalism.
And quit being amazingly naive that sources inside the Government weren’t trying to influence coverage. That stuff was shown.
Sorry you lost your convenient little narrative-shape toy.
And with the disaster that is CNN, your preferred news source, maybe we can return to a more fair and balanced media landscape.

[paulxu]

Nice speech.
But I'm not the lawyers for Musk/Twitter in the courtroom saying the twitter files were not what Weiss, Taibbi and Musk said they were.
Take it up with the lawyers.

[Masterofreality]

Nice speech.
But I'm not the lawyers for Musk/Twitter in the courtroom saying the twitter files were not what Weiss, Taibbi and Musk said they were.
Take it up with the lawyers.

What are you trying to prove here?

Stop attacking the Free Press and a guy who is creating jobs and enhancing industry in this country, while going along with your BS Wash Post and CNN.
Your narrative play toy is gone.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile in more important news:

Joe Biden’s coddling of China for “reasons” ($) has come to this. China is paying Cuba billions of dollars to establish a spy base on the island to focus on the US. Nice job Brandon!! You couldn’t shoot down spy balloons and now you have a full fledged Intelligence base 90 miles away!
What a dumpster fire this Administration is.


Cuba to Host Secret Chinese Spy Base Focusing on U.S.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cuba-to-host-secret-chinese-spy-base-focusing-on-u-s-b2fed0e0

[Masterofreality]

And, meanwhile over all the Saudi Arabia LIV handwringing over an alleged “state sponsored terrorist” country , we have this gem crafted by Joe Biden:

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IRAN!!!

https://www.foxnews.com/world/biden-administration-under-fire-iran-nuke-hostage-deal-could-net-regime-billions

[xuphan]

And, meanwhile over all the Saudi Arabia LIV handwringing over an alleged “state sponsored terrorist” country , we have this gem crafted by Joe Biden:

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO IRAN!!!

https://www.foxnews.com/world/biden-administration-under-fire-iran-nuke-hostage-deal-could-net-regime-billions

Meanwhile, we are using Fox News as a source of information after complaining about the disaster that is CNN?

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, we are using Fox News as a source of information after complaining about the disaster that is CNN?

But it’s true???
Even Blind CNN found an acorn in a forest occasionally?

[xuphan]

But it’s true???
Even Blind CNN found an acorn in a forest occasionally?

I’m just saying I wouldn’t be using either one of those politically run media outlets for any sort of news or source.

[Masterofreality]

I’m just saying I wouldn’t be using either one of those politically run media outlets for any sort of news or source.

Point accepted, but it is a true story.

[bjf123]

I’m just saying I wouldn’t be using either one of those politically run media outlets for any sort of news or source.

I’m not sure I trust any news organization any more. No one just reports the news. The problem, I believe, is that no one would watch or read that. Everyone wants reports that confirm their bias and anything to the contrary is fake news.


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[Masterofreality]

This seems…. Bad.
Perhaps Biden and his son should not have been involved here? Probably a good thing we're not pouring millions of dollars of tax payer money into Joe Biden's Ukraine or this whistleblower bribery scandal involving Burisma might look really bad.

https://www.allsides.com/news/2023-06-08-1613/joe-biden-joe-biden-allegedly-paid-5m-burisma-executive-part-bribery-scheme

[noteggs]

This seems…. Bad.
Perhaps Biden and his son should not have been involved here? Probably a good thing we're not pouring millions of dollars of tax payer money into Joe Biden's Ukraine or this whistleblower bribery scandal involving Burisma might look really bad.

https://www.allsides.com/news/2023-06-08-1613/joe-biden-joe-biden-allegedly-paid-5m-burisma-executive-part-bribery-scheme

This story will now be trumped (buried) by Trump news. Shocking timing (wink wink).

[xuphan]

This story will now be trumped (buried) by Trump news. Shocking timing (wink wink).

More Trump news?

[bobbiemcgee]

More Trump news?

He got indicted again is all.

[Masterofreality]

This story will now be trumped (buried) by Trump news. Shocking timing (wink wink).

Of Course. Meanwhile Biden had classified docs in two unauthorized places.
Crickets

It'll be interesting to hear from Biden, who had classified documents going back to the 1970s stashed away, chime in on this case. That is, after he chimes in on his alleged payments funneled from Burisma in Ukraine

[xuphan]

He got indicted again is all.

Again?

[paulxu]

In June of 2020, when the FBI recorded the unverified allegations about Biden and his son, Trump was president.
Bill Barr was his AG, over the FBI.
Christopher Wray (put in place by Trump) was heading the FBI.
Don't you think if there were anything at all that was credible in the report, they would have acted.
Maybe there is something, but it sure seems more reasonable that there isn't, or else Barr would have acted.

[noteggs]

Hello

Is this Jamie?

[X-band '01]

Of Course. Meanwhile Biden had classified docs in two unauthorized places.
Crickets

It'll be interesting to hear from Biden, who had classified documents going back to the 1970s stashed away, chime in on this case. That is, after he chimes in on his alleged payments funneled from Burisma in Ukraine

I remember both Biden and Pence finding out they both had classified documents in their possession; the big difference is that both at least did full-cavity searches of the places in question and turned everything over to the feds. The FBI has already decided nothing further will happen with Pence at least.

[bobbiemcgee]

Again?

Manhattan...30 cases of business fraud.

[Masterofreality]

In June of 2020, when the FBI recorded the unverified allegations about Biden and his son, Trump was president.
Bill Barr was his AG, over the FBI.
Christopher Wray (put in place by Trump) was heading the FBI.
Don't you think if there were anything at all that was credible in the report, they would have acted.
Maybe there is something, but it sure seems more reasonable that there isn't, or else Barr would have acted.

Except that, as proven recently, lower level FBI Agents with a political bias and agenda have withheld evidence and been selective in what they chose to report to higher ups to protect “their side”. (Strozyk).
Without the full picture, Barr, who was a well respected long term Administrator, I believe, did not want to upset “norms” ( that the Democrats rountinely do) and interfere with an upcoming election. I’m sure that Democrats are still bitching about another Administrator who allegedly interfered in the 2016 election, despite the fact that their candidate clearly broke the law with classified docs on a private server.
“Norms” kept Hilary out of jail. Somehow, unlike Biden, Trump never went after her.

[bjf123]

I’m sure that Democrats are still bitching about another Administrator who allegedly interfered in the 2016 election, despite the fact that their candidate clearly broke the law with classified docs on a private server.
“Norms” kept Hilary out of jail. Somehow, unlike Biden, Trump never went after her.

Bingo! That would have been a slam dunk prosecution. Hillary clearly destroyed the data on her private e-mail server, even though I think some of that data had been subpoenaed.


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[paulxu]

Except there's no slam dunk anything. If any of what Clinton described as personal that were destroyed, were actually confidential...then a copy of the original email from the sender in the State Dept would still be in the State Dept...could have been found...and she could have been prosecuted. But they didn't find any.
As to the 30,000 emails that she turned over:

“There was no evidence that the senders or former Secretary Clinton believed or were aware at the time that the emails contained classified information,” the Justice IG report said. “The emails in question were sent to other government officials in furtherance of the senders’ official duties. There was no evidence that the senders or former Secretary Clinton intended that classified information be sent to unauthorized recipients, or that they intentionally sought to store classified information on unauthorized systems.”

David Kendall, an attorney for Clinton, told the Fact Checker: “The State Department personnel who originated the emails did not think their content merited classification, and not a single one of the over 33,000 emails bore classification markings.”


In his news conference, Comey said “three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received.” At the time, he said one was marked “secret” and two “confidential,” but at a congressional hearing two days later, he said all were marked “confidential,” the lowest form of classification. Moreover, he acknowledged that markings — a (C) — were contained in the body of the text and, contrary to standard practice, there was no header at the top alerting someone that this was classified material. He told lawmakers that without a header, it was “a reasonable inference” that this material was not classified.

So, 30,000 plus emails with not one marked correctly as confidential...let alone Secret, Top Secret, etc.
A lot different than finding Top Secret stuff lying around, saying it's all been returned, and finding out it was a lie.
You might get indicted for that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/08/hillary-clintons-claim-that-zero-emails-were-marked-classified/

If you weren't so blinded by what people say in the ongoing we hate Hillary nonsense, you would recognize that she's been off the political stage for 7 years.
And would know that if there was any way to prosecute her for anything, someone in Trump's 4 years would have done it. She's gone. She's not running for anything. Focus on an indicted former president who leads in the Republican party polls and figure out why you all can't do better.

And yes, the Dems should do better than the current occupant. Age should be a factor for considering fitness over a 4 year stretch.

[Smails]

If you weren't so blinded by what people say in the ongoing we hate Hillary nonsense, you would recognize that she's been off the political stage for 7 years.


Paul- on what planet has Hillary Clinton been off the political stage for 7 years? Is it your contention that only those running for, or holding office are in fact on the political stage? If that's your position, are you pledging to never talk about Donald Trump if he loses in this election cycle?

[Masterofreality]

A lot different than finding Top Secret stuff lying around, saying it's all been returned, and finding out it was a lie.
You might get indicted for that.

No different than finding Top Secret stuff lying around in Biden’s garage, or at an office at U Penn among other possible locations. An office that was partially paid for by Chinese donations.
If you weren’t so blinded by hate for Trump you’d be calling for equal justice and prosecution to make sure that “No one is above the law”.
Comical.

[xuphan]

Manhattan...30 cases of business fraud.

Poor Trump. Bad news seems to follow that guy everywhere he goes. I am sure this is another bogus attempt by the Dems to make sure he doesn't become president again. Didn’t they learn anything from the Russia hoax?

[noteggs]

Like him or hate him, Elon has a great sense of humor!

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1667289678612156416?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[paulxu]

For those who somehow think Trump's case is at all like Biden's or Pence's, just take a moment to read the indictment.
(and look at the pictures). There is no comparison. Biden and Pence didn't actively seek to keep documents, or lie about them, or hide them, or fail to turn them over when subpoenaed. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the difference.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188-a12f-db74-ab98-b3ff4de50000

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-read-00101292

[X-band '01]

I'm sure Trump will be in a much better mood should Ron DeSantis get criminally charged in California for illegally transporting migrants (especially if it fits the definition of kidnapping).

[Masterofreality]

For those who somehow think Trump's case is at all like Biden's or Pence's, just take a moment to read the indictment.
(and look at the pictures). There is no comparison. Biden and Pence didn't actively seek to keep documents, or lie about them, or hide them, or fail to turn them over when subpoenaed. You don't need to be a lawyer to understand the difference.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188-a12f-db74-ab98-b3ff4de50000

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-indictment-read-00101292

I can’t wait to read The Indictment of Biden when it comes. This indictment reads like a partisan piece of crap. Know who else jailed their political opponents over Jacked up charges? Hitler and Stalin. Glad Paul now supports Jack Booted Thuggery.
How can it be said that Biden didn’t actively seek to keep documents when there was stuff found in Three locations including his own garage??? I don’t think that classified docs are something you just forget about…unless you are dementia ridden…but he’s had them for years before his Swiss cheese brain hit.
Trump was in the process of negotiating the documents return when the FBI made a showcase raid to dramatize it. Now it has sprung to this.
The Dems won’t like where this goes when the Republicans regain power. Norms have been shattered.

[xuphan]

I can’t wait to read The Indictment of Biden when it comes. This indictment reads like a partisan piece of crap. Know who else jailed their political opponents over Jacked up charges? Hitler and Stalin. Glad Paul now supports Jack Booted Thuggery.
How can it be said that Biden didn’t actively seek to keep documents when there was stuff found in Three locations including his own garage??? I don’t think that classified docs are something you just forget about…unless you are dementia ridden…but he’s had them for years before his Swiss cheese brain hit.
Trump was in the process of negotiating the documents return when the FBI made a showcase raid to dramatize it. Now it has sprung to this.
The Dems won’t like where this goes when the Republicans regain power. Norms have been shattered.

What norms were there before these indictments? The only norms I can think of is to protect your political party and people within your party at all cost and blame the other party in some way. These norms are playing out again over these new indictments. In my opinion, there should be charges for Trump, Biden, and Pence. Could care less what party they are affiliated with. The removal of classified documents is a big no no.

[STL_XUfan]

Having him on tape saying “Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this,” is laugh out loud funny.

[bobbiemcgee]

No different than finding Top Secret stuff lying around in Biden’s garage, or at an office at U Penn among other possible locations. An office that was partially paid for by Chinese donations.
If you weren’t so blinded by hate for Trump you’d be calling for equal justice and prosecution to make sure that “No one is above the law”.
Comical.

No difference? They caught him on tape showing classified info to staffers and who know else. He said he couldn't declassify becuz he wasn't President anymore. "Look at it. Look at it." (classified doc to invade Country A) He obstructed at every turn before and after the raid. Geesuz, read all the 49 pages of the indictment. Scumbag.

[paulxu]

Time to get a new pony to ride Paul.
Your one trick is up. Find a new topic to obsess over.


I'm very interested in our national government. And very glad that the 3rd grade bully will no longer be part of it.
I just hope he doesn't create a lot of mayhem on his way out the door. He's still trying to get the VP to overturn the election. Crazy stuff.


Move on Paul. Your continued screeds are tiresome.
What’s your group gonna do?

This was a series of posts here in this thread, on the morning of January 6, 2021.
My "group" watched in horror as insurrectionists and now convicted seditionists stormed the seat of our government that afternoon, and attempted to stop the peaceful transfer of power, threatening the lives of our elected representatives.

Now we have a new threat to peace in our streets. Wonder if things will (hopefully) be like New York arraignment, when everyone ignored him.
Hope so.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/06/10/see-you-in-miami-on-tuesday-trump-promotes-rally-ahead-of-federal-court-appearance/

[noteggs]

First the WSJ reported that China was planning to build a spy facility in Cuba. Kirby comes out and says he has seen the reports and states they are not true. Then, press confirms reports which contradicts Kirby.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/politics/cuba-china-spying-facility/index.html

Now we’re to believe the Biden administration inherited the problem? What the hell!

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/10/china-secret-base-cuba-spy-00101386

Couldn’t we have been alerted before if that were the case? Is this just CYA, being lied to, or politics as usual? Probably all the above…

Regardless, President Xi and the Chinese are laughing their as off.

[X-band '01]

This was a series of posts here in this thread, on the morning of January 6, 2021.
My "group" watched in horror as insurrectionists and now convicted seditionists stormed the seat of our government that afternoon, and attempted to stop the peaceful transfer of power, threatening the lives of our elected representatives.

Now we have a new threat to peace in our streets. Wonder if things will (hopefully) be like New York arraignment, when everyone ignored him.
Hope so.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2023/06/10/see-you-in-miami-on-tuesday-trump-promotes-rally-ahead-of-federal-court-appearance/

What Trump supposedly did (or not do) in New York is penny-ante stuff compared to what he's facing in this round of charges in federal court, albeit with a friendly Trump-appointed judge that has currently been assigned to the case. If more people show up to demonstrate tomorrow, then it's likely a silent admission that they know he screwed up big-time.

I know AD Fani Willis isn't taking chances in Georgia; Trump will likely be charged in August for criminial activity in Georgia. She's already warning officials there to be ready for potential trouble.

[xuphan]

What Trump supposedly did (or not do) in New York is penny-ante stuff compared to what he's facing in this round of charges in federal court, albeit with a friendly Trump-appointed judge that has currently been assigned to the case. If more people show up to demonstrate tomorrow, then it's likely a silent admission that they know he screwed up big-time.

I know AD Fani Willis isn't taking chances in Georgia; Trump will likely be charged in August for criminial activity in Georgia. She's already warning officials there to be ready for potential trouble.

Do you believe that all of these charges (New York, Florida, Georgia) are politically motivated?

[X-band '01]

First of all, the state of Florida isn't going after Trump - the feds are going after him. It just happens to be the District of South Florida that has jurisdiction here.

But to answer the question, the closest to being politically motivated (and even here I would say no) would be the New York case. What WAS politically motivated was Trump's first impeachment trial over the withholding of aid to Ukraine. Democrats were just looking for any excuse to impeach at that point. The second impeachment should have been a slam-dunk removal from office, but at that point the Senate was too polarized to do that.

[Strange Brew]

First of all, the state of Florida isn't going after Trump - the feds are going after him. It just happens to be the District of South Florida that has jurisdiction here.

But to answer the question, the closest to being politically motivated (and even here I would say no) would be the New York case. What WAS politically motivated was Trump's first impeachment trial over the withholding of aid to Ukraine. Democrats were just looking for any excuse to impeach at that point. The second impeachment should have been a slam-dunk removal from office, but at that point the Senate was too polarized to do that.

He was already out of office during the 2nd Impeachment.

[noteggs]

As Barr pointed out, if Trump did half of what has been charged he is toast. Sounds like he’s been his worst nightmare in this process. However when politicians leave office, we need a more orderly process.

As for the NY case, it’s completely politicized IMO. Reason is the Feds completely passed on the case and Bragg campaigned to indict Trump.

If the Trump Russia investigation wasn’t such crap, people (supporters) might feel differently about his current predicament. I would hope.

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently you can take a dump at MAL and read up on nuclear secrets.

[paulxu]

He was in office for the 2nd Impeachment being voted upon.
He was out of office during the trial in the Senate.

[Strange Brew]

He was in office for the 2nd Impeachment being voted upon.
He was out of office during the trial in the Senate.

So what was the point?

[GoMuskies]

So what was the point?

Avoid the disaster that will be the 2024 election.

[X-band '01]

So what was the point?

Convicting him of impeachment would have permanently DQ'd him from running for President again.

As far as I know, even being convicted on the charges he'd be facing tomorrow would not DQ him from running again (potentially invoking the 14th Amendment, for example).

[bobbiemcgee]

Lying Bill Barr " He's toast."

[xuphan]

Lying Bill Barr " He's toast."

Let me ask you this Bobby. If the 24 election comes down to Joe Biden and Donald Trump. By this time, Joe shows more signs of slowing down due to his age and Donald Trump has been convicted or is in the process of being convicted on federal charges. Who would you vote for?

[X-band '01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

[bobbiemcgee]

You know that trump will be 78? Just as old.

[Strange Brew]

Convicting him of impeachment would have permanently DQ'd him from running for President again.

As far as I know, even being convicted on the charges he'd be facing tomorrow would not DQ him from running again (potentially invoking the 14th Amendment, for example).

it doesn’t and the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply.

I’d like to know what was so bad about Trump that evokes this reaction. It’s not like he gave missile/rocket tech to the Chinese like the Clintons (sad thing is I have to say after that statement that I will never commit suicide).

[Strange Brew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEglx-or6k

Great movie and I get your point.

Mike Judge was unfortunately right. I’d vote for Terry Crews over this field…;)

[Strange Brew]

Lying Bill Barr " He's toast."

Nice try. Get better.

[Strange Brew]

You know that trump will be 78? Just as old.

How old are you?

[bjf123]

You know that trump will be 78? Just as old.

While Trump does say incredibly stupid things on a routine basis, he can put together full sentences and will talk with anyone at any time. Biden can only talk freely in a tightly controlled environment with a mostly friendly press protecting him. Even then, he stumbles trying to get out a coherent sentence.


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[Smails]

You know that trump will be 78? Just as old.

There are different versions of 78...and you know this. I'm fortunate that both my father and father in law are still around, both are 79. One still plays golf daily, rides a bike and is very 'with it'. The other is really struggling mentally processing basic information and has to have things repeated quite often. Age is definitely just a number. That being said, I don't want either of them within 50 miles of the White House in 2024. Just awful, awful choices we have.

[xubrew]

Does anyone else get the sense that outside of his immediate family, no one that has actually known or worked with Donald Trump actually likes him?? I mean...NO ONE!! Many in the Republican Party seem to be unable to stand him. They publicly support him because they know he has a big base, and they feel they need the support of that base to stay in power, so they publicly kiss his ass and beg for his endorsement. But privately they all seem to dislike him. It's been reported (well, okay..RUMORED) that many who voted to acquit him at the impeachment trials, including individuals like Mitch McConnell, privately wanted him convicted. They just didn't want to personally publicly vote for it.

And what is it that people like most about Trump?? Well, as best I can tell they like how much the Left DISlikes him. That's really it. I get that The Left can be a bunch of lunatics, and I totally understand how they come off as people who sit in ivory towers and shout at people from their soapboxes. But aside from pissing off the Lunatic Left, which I understand is cathartic, how in the hell can so many people be so convinced that someone who is so narcissistic is worthy of such cult-like praise??

"This is all a witch hunt!!"

NO IT ISN'T!!

If someone from your company (regardless of where you work) took a bunch of files on their way out the door and didn't give them back, wouldn't your company call the police?? Wouldn't they press charges?? I don't work at a place with high level government security, and if I took any files out of where I work I assure you I'd be prosecuted for it. So....how is this a witch hunt?? This is very much the normal course of action. For ANYONE! Much less someone who totally mishandled classified documents for what I suspect was the dumbest of reasons. "THEY'RE MINE!! LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT!!" I don't think he was necessarily going to TRY and sell them or compromise the country. I just think that having them made him feel important, and that he thought the people he showed them to would also think he was important.

If a court house file clerk stole files, what would happen?? If a probate court file clerk stole adoption files, what would happen?? If someone who worked at a doctor's office took those files, what would happen?? All would almost assuredly be prosecuted.

Trump took CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!!!!! That's a PRETTY BIG DEAL!! I can't imagine anyone else doing that and having ANYONE say "this is stupid! This is a witch hunt! No one goes to jail for something like this!" Uhh....YEAH, THEY DO!!!

[STL_XUfan]

Trump took CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!!!!! That's a PRETTY BIG DEAL!! I can't imagine anyone else doing that and having ANYONE say "this is stupid! This is a witch hunt! No one goes to jail for something like this!" Uhh....YEAH, THEY DO!!!

Further, he is not being prosecuted for taking the Classified Documents. He is being prosecuted for refusing to return them, and actually taking steps to further conceal them, after it was brought to his attention that he should not have taken certain documents. Much like Pence and Biden, no charges were brought for documents he voluntarily returned after the archives discovered he was in possession of them.

[GoMuskies]

I think it's mostly not that big a deal for the former President of the United States to have classified documents. Obviously, he should have given them back when it was revealed he had them. It's like he's daring the feds to prosecute him. Is it some sort of grand plan to make him look like the victim of a politicized prosecution to his base (and people who might consider voting for him)? Not sure I'd give him that much credit, but that's the only somewhat logical explanation for his behavior...which means it's probably not the explanation, because I don't think he's prone to utilizing logic.

[xuphan]

Does anyone else get the sense that outside of his immediate family, no one that has actually known or worked with Donald Trump actually likes him?? I mean...NO ONE!! Many in the Republican Party seem to be unable to stand him. They publicly support him because they know he has a big base, and they feel they need the support of that base to stay in power, so they publicly kiss his ass and beg for his endorsement. But privately they all seem to dislike him. It's been reported (well, okay..RUMORED) that many who voted to acquit him at the impeachment trials, including individuals like Mitch McConnell, privately wanted him convicted. They just didn't want to personally publicly vote for it.

And what is it that people like most about Trump?? Well, as best I can tell they like how much the Left DISlikes him. That's really it. I get that The Left can be a bunch of lunatics, and I totally understand how they come off as people who sit in ivory towers and shout at people from their soapboxes. But aside from pissing off the Lunatic Left, which I understand is cathartic, how in the hell can so many people be so convinced that someone who is so narcissistic is worthy of such cult-like praise??

"This is all a witch hunt!!"

NO IT ISN'T!!

If someone from your company (regardless of where you work) took a bunch of files on their way out the door and didn't give them back, wouldn't your company call the police?? Wouldn't they press charges?? I don't work at a place with high level government security, and if I took any files out of where I work I assure you I'd be prosecuted for it. So....how is this a witch hunt?? This is very much the normal course of action. For ANYONE! Much less someone who totally mishandled classified documents for what I suspect was the dumbest of reasons. "THEY'RE MINE!! LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT!!" I don't think he was necessarily going to TRY and sell them or compromise the country. I just think that having them made him feel important, and that he thought the people he showed them to would also think he was important.

If a court house file clerk stole files, what would happen?? If a probate court file clerk stole adoption files, what would happen?? If someone who worked at a doctor's office took those files, what would happen?? All would almost assuredly be prosecuted.

Trump took CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!!!!! That's a PRETTY BIG DEAL!! I can't imagine anyone else doing that and having ANYONE say "this is stupid! This is a witch hunt! No one goes to jail for something like this!" Uhh....YEAH, THEY DO!!!

He seems to have a very strong backing within the Republican Party, conservative media and conservative donors. I believe the Republican Party with protect their own regardless of what crimes have been committed unless they get pushback from conservative voters and conservative donors which has not happened. On the flip side, the Democrats would do the same thing.

[bjf123]

Do I like Donald Trump, the thin skinned, egomaniacal, person? Not a chance. Do I like the policies put forth by Donald Trump, the President? Absolutely!

While I hope he is not the Republican candidate, if my choices are voting for Trump or Biden, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Trump with zero hesitation.


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[xuphan]

Do I like Donald Trump, the thin skinned, egomaniacal, person? Not a chance. Do I like the policies put forth by Donald Trump, the President? Absolutely!

While I hope he is not the Republican candidate, if my choices are voting for Trump or Biden, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Trump with zero hesitation.


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How would that work if he is convicted on federal charges with I presume jail time and wins the presidency? Does his jail time get suspended? This 2024 presidential races with Joe Biden cognitive heath and Donald Trump’s legal trouble is going to be a doozy.

[Strange Brew]

How would that work if he is convicted on federal charges with I presume jail time and wins the presidency? Does his jail time get suspended? This 2024 presidential races with Joe Biden cognitive heath and Donald Trump’s legal trouble is going to be a doozy.

Well, he can pardon himself. Which would be a hilarious middle finger to the DC “establishment”.

[Strange Brew]

Does anyone else get the sense that outside of his immediate family, no one that has actually known or worked with Donald Trump actually likes him?? I mean...NO ONE!! Many in the Republican Party seem to be unable to stand him. They publicly support him because they know he has a big base, and they feel they need the support of that base to stay in power, so they publicly kiss his ass and beg for his endorsement. But privately they all seem to dislike him. It's been reported (well, okay..RUMORED) that many who voted to acquit him at the impeachment trials, including individuals like Mitch McConnell, privately wanted him convicted. They just didn't want to personally publicly vote for it.

And what is it that people like most about Trump?? Well, as best I can tell they like how much the Left DISlikes him. That's really it. I get that The Left can be a bunch of lunatics, and I totally understand how they come off as people who sit in ivory towers and shout at people from their soapboxes. But aside from pissing off the Lunatic Left, which I understand is cathartic, how in the hell can so many people be so convinced that someone who is so narcissistic is worthy of such cult-like praise??

"This is all a witch hunt!!"

NO IT ISN'T!!

If someone from your company (regardless of where you work) took a bunch of files on their way out the door and didn't give them back, wouldn't your company call the police?? Wouldn't they press charges?? I don't work at a place with high level government security, and if I took any files out of where I work I assure you I'd be prosecuted for it. So....how is this a witch hunt?? This is very much the normal course of action. For ANYONE! Much less someone who totally mishandled classified documents for what I suspect was the dumbest of reasons. "THEY'RE MINE!! LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT!!" I don't think he was necessarily going to TRY and sell them or compromise the country. I just think that having them made him feel important, and that he thought the people he showed them to would also think he was important.

If a court house file clerk stole files, what would happen?? If a probate court file clerk stole adoption files, what would happen?? If someone who worked at a doctor's office took those files, what would happen?? All would almost assuredly be prosecuted.

Trump took CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS!!!!! That's a PRETTY BIG DEAL!! I can't imagine anyone else doing that and having ANYONE say "this is stupid! This is a witch hunt! No one goes to jail for something like this!" Uhh....YEAH, THEY DO!!!

Every President has held docs (they know too much) however Biden has held them since the 70s and Hillary was never President. Think about that for a minute.

[Strange Brew]

He seems to have a very strong backing within the Republican Party, conservative media and conservative donors. I believe the Republican Party with protect their own regardless of what crimes have been committed unless they get pushback from conservative voters and conservative donors which has not happened. On the flip side, the Democrats would do the same thing.

Trump was a Democrat for most of his life because he had to be to get anything done in NYC. What’s really funny is he donated money to most of “Progressive Elite” for much of his life and now they’re mad because he, not them became President. It truly is awesome when you think about it.

BTW, is anyone paying attention to the nightmare we’re going to face (again) in Eastern Europe? Hope we stay out of it however I’m pretty sure we can’t because of the kickbacks to the “Big Guy”.

[bobbiemcgee]

Every President has held docs (they know too much) however Biden has held them since the 70s and Hillary was never President. Think about that for a minute.

The difference being Biden and Pence gave back the docs when discovered. NAR just wants the docs back. Dumbass refused to give them up which led to his indictment. Dumb.

[Strange Brew]

The difference being Biden and Pence gave back the docs when discovered. NAR just wants the docs back. Dumbass refused to give them up which led to his indictment. Dumb.

No. It is not the same. Biden held docs going back to when he was in the Senate and as VP. Second in line does not make you CIC. And HRC? Not even close.

His lawyers were negotiating the return of the docs. Garland (bitter) and Biden raided Trump’s home to seize docs that frankly, he’s allowed to keep.

You know who had no right to retain any docs. Biden and HRC. Let’s not play games.

You don’t have to like that he was President but I’d expect you to salute the office/rank, not the man.

What is happening now is frightening if you have a/some semblance of historical context.

Hey Bob. just so I know what I’m dealing with. What are the 10 pillars of Communism? I’m asking because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the World he didn’t exist…

[xuphan]

The difference being Biden and Pence gave back the docs when discovered. NAR just wants the docs back. Dumbass refused to give them up which led to his indictment. Dumb.

The fact is all three of them and I am sure more should face some sort of consequence for their actions. Gotta love the lack of accountability within Washington.

[paulxu]

His lawyers were negotiating the return of the docs. Garland (bitter) and Biden raided Trump’s home to seize docs that frankly, he’s allowed to keep.

I think it would serve this conversation well if everyone actually read the indictment.

It's not that long. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23839627-read-trump-indictment-related-to-mishandling-of-classified-documents

Then you'd understand that as a private citizen he isn't "allowed to keep." Even if he wants some memorabilia, highly classified documents don't fit that bill and he isn't allowed to have them in his possession, let alone show them to others.

And when his attorneys are told "what happens if we just don't respond at all, or don't play ball with them"...that doesn't sound at all like they were "negotiating the return of the documents."

Read the indictment.

[Strange Brew]

The fact is all three of them and I am sure more should face some sort of consequence for their actions. Gotta love the lack of accountability within Washington.

4 (you forgot HRC) of them should and only 1 of them is and shouldn’t be.

One thing I find curious is that the indictment came on the same day the House got a chance to look at very interesting docs. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

Wag the Dog.

[Strange Brew]

I think it would serve this conversation well if everyone actually read the indictment.

It's not that long. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23839627-read-trump-indictment-related-to-mishandling-of-classified-documents

Then you'd understand that as a private citizen he isn't "allowed to keep." Even if he wants some memorabilia, highly classified documents don't fit that bill and he isn't allowed to have them in his possession, let alone show them to others.

And when his attorneys are told "what happens if we just don't respond at all, or don't play ball with them"...that doesn't sound at all like they were "negotiating the return of the documents."

Read the indictment.

You do understand that he was President of the United States of America? Actually, I don’t think you do. He’s not nor will he ever be again a “private citizen”. You can’t really be this stupid.

I take it back. You actually are this stupid.

[Xville]

You do understand that he was President of the United States of America? Actually, I don’t think you do. He’s not nor will he ever be again a “private citizen”. You can’t really be this stupid.

I take it back. You actually are this stupid.

So you took one phrase to deflect from the fact that once again you are wrong about something “ shouldn’t face consequences.” Trump should be indicted for this, and face consequences it’s really that simple. You can’t possibly be this stupid.

People that continue to defend trump are weird.

[bobbiemcgee]

No. It is not the same. Biden held docs going back to when he was in the Senate and as VP.

Did you miss the part where they obstructed justice?

[Strange Brew]

Did you miss the part where they obstructed justice?

Nope, saw Holder do that.

How did they “obstruct Justice”? And who are they (this is the problem)?

[Strange Brew]

So you took one phrase to deflect from the fact that once again you are wrong about something “ shouldn’t face consequences.” Trump should be indicted for this, and face consequences it’s really that simple. You can’t possibly be this stupid.

People that continue to defend trump are weird.

I’m not defending Trump however he deserves a defense per the Constitution which I’m sure you still haven’t read.

Hey genius. Please explain in detail how I’m wrong. The and former POTUS’s are not considered “private citizens”. Just because you don’t know what you’re talking about doesn’t mean I don’t.


Hey Ville, should the House impeach Biden?

[Xville]

I’m not defending Trump however he deserves a defense per the Constitution which I’m sure you still haven’t read.

Hey genius. Please explain in detail how I’m wrong. The and former POTUS’s are not considered “private citizens”. Just because you don’t know what you’re talking about doesn’t mean I don’t.


Hey Ville, should the House impeach Biden?

Didn’t say anything about private citizens. I said you took one part out to deflect from the case that you were wrong, again. You think “he doesn’t deserve any consequences” per exactly what you said in response to xuphan’s post. Tell me again why he doesn’t deserve any consequences? You continue to defend trump any chance you get. It’s weird. You are very good at deflecting..: try answering the question for once without mentioning Biden or hrc.

[STL_XUfan]

Didn’t say anything about private citizens. I said you took one part out to deflect from the case that you were wrong, again. You think “he doesn’t deserve any consequences” per exactly what you said in response to xuphan’s post. Tell me again why he doesn’t deserve any consequences? You continue to defend trump any chance you get. It’s weird. You are very good at deflecting..: try answering the question for once without mentioning Biden or hrc.

Strange is just arguing the defense of Trump that is being made on Twitter, but is not being made by any of Trump’s actual lawyers, for the simple truth that there is no punishment for making dumbass arguments on Twitter, but plenty of consequences for making dumb shit baseless arguments in court.

[bjf123]

From news reports I’ve heard, there’s one thing that, if true, will be very difficult to explain away. Supposedly, there is a recording, maybe video, maybe audio, of Trump showing classified documents to a person or persons with no clearance, and admitting that the documents had never been declassified and that he shouldn’t be showing them. That’s a BIG problem.


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[Strange Brew]

Didn’t say anything about private citizens. I said you took one part out to deflect from the case that you were wrong, again. You think “he doesn’t deserve any consequences” per exactly what you said in response to xuphan’s post. Tell me again why he doesn’t deserve any consequences? You continue to defend trump any chance you get. It’s weird. You are very good at deflecting..: try answering the question for once without mentioning Biden or hrc.

Because per Bill Clinton’s removal of docs anything a President leaves office with is considered “personal property”. So no, they are not “private citizens”. You’re wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about.

Further, there was no harm of motive. This is should be fun to watch the Left lose another case.

[Xville]

Because per Bill Clinton’s removal of docs anything a President leaves office with is considered “personal property”. So no, they are not “private citizens”. You’re wrong and don’t know what you’re talking about.

Further, there was no harm of motive. This is should be fun to watch the Left lose another case.

You keep arguing about private citizens.. so I guess go argue with yourself… deflect deflect because you know you’re wrong, like usual.

Well, I guess you don’t know, which is even more concerning. Dumbass arguments lol that one pertains to you. You should read outside of the new York post, it would do you some good. Maybe read the indictment and understand what the charges actually are, you clearly didn’t read them, or if you did don’t understand them.

[Strange Brew]

Strange is just arguing the defense of Trump that is being made on Twitter, but is not being made by any of Trump’s actual lawyers, for the simple truth that there is no punishment for making dumbass arguments on Twitter, but plenty of consequences for making dumb shit baseless arguments in court.

I’ll respect your opinion on this when Bill, Hillary and Biden are indicted. Are they above the law? Apparently Legal precedent doesn’t matter.

[Strange Brew]

You keep arguing about private citizens.. so I guess go argue with yourself… deflect deflect because you know you’re wrong, like usual.

What am I wrong about? Seriously. Tell me what laws you believe the former CIC broke. Being a jerk or in the “wrong” political Party is not a crime.

Answer this. Should the House impeach Biden for taking bribes? Let’s see how you really feel about Justice. Also, Trump has yet to be convicted of a crime.

[Xville]

I’ll respect your opinion on this when Bill, Hillary and Biden are indicted. Are they above the law? Apparently Legal precedent doesn’t matter.

Lol see, deflection

[Xville]

What am I wrong about? Seriously. Tell me what laws you believe the former CIC broke. Being a jerk or in the “wrong” political Party is not a crime.

Answer this. Should the House impeach Biden for taking bribes? Let’s see how you really feel about Justice. Also, Trump has yet to be convicted of a crime.

I don’t care about Biden. Again deflection and whataboutism. You have a problem focusing and answering direct questions. The topic is trump. Read the indictment then you will have the answers to your questions.

[Strange Brew]

I don’t care about Biden. Again deflection and whataboutism. You have a problem focusing and answering direct questions. The topic is trump. Read the indictment then you will have the answers to your questions.

Yes, you can indict a ham sandwich.

The Espionage Act. Requires motive and harm for conviction.
The Records Act. Covered thanks to Bill Clinton.

You all think Trump is going to jail and are gleeful about it. I’d like to know why. What did he do to you? Or do you just hate anybody you disagree with so much that this feels like a big win?

He’s been impeached twice on garbage, false charges. Why do people like you think this is a win for the Country?

So Ville, why does this get your rocks off?

[Xville]

Yes, you can indict a ham sandwich.

The Espionage Act. Requires motive and harm for conviction.
The Records Act. Covered thanks to Bill Clinton.

You all think Trump is going to jail and are gleeful about it. I’d like to know why. What did he do to you? Or do you just hate anybody you disagree with so much that this feels like a big win?

He’s been impeached twice on garbage, false charges. Why do people like you think this is a win for the Country?

So Ville, why does this get your rocks off?

Frankly, I don’t want him to have a chance at the presidency, and I don’t want him to be the Republican candidate. Why? Because call me crazy but I think that someone who is president, should respect the office, and overall just not be a complete shithole of a human being. Not saying they have to be perfect human beings, none of us are but he’s an embarrassment to the office. He’s being charged with obstruction of Justice, which common sense says he’s guilty of. Wont go to jail for it, but still.

For the matter, I don’t want Biden either. I also think he’s an embarrassment, weekend at Bernie’s style.

I’d like for the us to get back to an election cycle that isn’t a complete disaster and step one would be for trump to go away. This isn’t going to do it, bu to hope something will.

[bobbiemcgee]

I've said from day 1 just give the fucking docs back. What was so hard about that?

[Strange Brew]

Frankly, I don’t want him to have a chance at the presidency, and I don’t want him to be the Republican candidate. Why? Because call me crazy but I think that someone who is president, should respect the office, and overall just not be a complete shithole of a human being. Not saying they have to be perfect human beings, none of us are but he’s an embarrassment to the office. He’s being charged with obstruction of Justice, which common sense says he’s guilty of. Wont go to jail for it, but still.

For the matter, I don’t want Biden either. I also think he’s an embarrassment, weekend at Bernie’s style.

I’d like for the us to get back to an election cycle that isn’t a complete disaster and step one would be for trump to go away. This isn’t going to do it, bu to hope something will.

Well, I don’t disagree with you however the country was pushed so far to one side during the Obama years that the natural pendulum is flying back just as hard. I’m not sure anyone is going to be happy with whomever ends up in DC. It’s amazing how nuts it has become since Bush/Gore.

[Strange Brew]

I've said from day 1 just give the fucking docs back. What was so hard about that?

You’re not wrong however why take them in the first place? It’s a question none of us can answer unless we’ve sat at the Resolute desk.

[paulxu]

Has anyone here actually read the indictment? Anyone?

I think if you will, some of the arguments will be cleared up for you.

Also, as of 12:01 on Jan 21, 2021, Trump was no longer the president of the United States (except in his own mind, and apparently in the mind of some of his more deluded supporters).

[Strange Brew]

Has anyone here actually read the indictment? Anyone?

I think if you will, some of the arguments will be cleared up for you.

Also, as of 12:01 on Jan 21, 2021, Trump was no longer the president of the United States (except in his own mind, and apparently in the mind of some of his more deluded supporters).

Hey dingus, they are always the POTUS. Even after they leave. People used to respect that until they lost their minds with Trump.

[paulxu]

Maybe former POTUS, but not POTUS. That's the current occupant of the office.

Did you get a chance to read the indictment?

[Strange Brew]

Maybe former POTUS, but not POTUS. That's the current occupant of the office.

Did you get a chance to read the indictment?

I’m aware however I’m fairly certain Indictments only present one side of the story. And it’s kind of odd we knew about the details before today. Seems the Prosecution/Government is trying to convict outside of the Courtroom. That’s a big no, no. Right STL?

[paulxu]

Maybe, but have you read it?

[Strange Brew]

Maybe, but have you read it?

I just started and the prosecutor indicted TRUMP not Donald J Trump. While DJT was identified the author did not specify Donald J Trump would henceforth be known as TRUMP or the Defendant.

That’s just sad and I hope that is not the real document.

Why it’s sad is because legally no such person known as TRUMP exists unless they are indicting his brand.

And for the record. I am not a lawyer.

That aside. I want to know who was at the golf club in NJ and what the purpose of the meeting and also who recorded it (if the tape exists). Also, I’d like to know if NJ is a two way consent State when it comes to recordings. That can cause problems for the recorder.

I’m not a lawyer and no one is paying me to do this so I’ll stop.

[paulxu]

The first sentence in the introductions says Defendant Donald J. Trump. Thereafter in the indictment he is referred to as Trump (bolded).
I would think this may be standard practice.
The same is true for the other defendant named.

[STL_XUfan]

I’ll respect your opinion on this when Bill, Hillary and Biden are indicted. Are they above the law? Apparently Legal precedent doesn’t matter.
Honestly if your ever agreed with me, I would have to rethink my opinion. The level of confidently incorrect bull shit you spew about the law is comical.

The difference between the Biden, Pence, Bill and Hillary vs Trump facts are obvious. There is a shit load of classified information that is shared at all levels of government, from the president, vice president, Secretary of State, all the way down to low level government contractors. (In my opinion way too much is unnecessarily classified). In the former cases, when classified information was discovered, they cooperated and turned it over. In the later case he lied about it, obstructed attempts to recover it, and unlawfully shared it with no authority to do so.

He has been charged with a violation of 18 usc 793(e) which provides: “(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-80204913-629259739&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:37:section:793) or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-80204913-629259739&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:37:section:793) entitled to receive it; or“

So, did Trump posses it? Yes
Was he authorized to possess it? This is his best defense, but seems unlikely.
Did he attempt to deliver to someone unauthorized to see it? Yes, on tape doing it
Did he know he couldn’t? Yes, once again on tape.
Did he willfully retain it? Yes
Did he refuse to return it when demanded? Yes

Trump made it a campaign promise to prosecute Hillary and had 4 years of control over the DOJ and couldn’t make the case. My guess is that all they have is the bull shit conspiracy theories you peddle in on the deep edges of Twitter, and not real evidence to make a case.

[STL_XUfan]

And for the record. I am not a lawyer.

That aside. I want to know who was at the golf club in NJ and what the purpose of the meeting and also who recorded it (if the tape exists). Also, I’d like to know if NJ is a two way consent State when it comes to recordings. That can cause problems for the recorder.

I’m not a lawyer and no one is paying me to do this so I’ll stop.

First, you not being a lawyer is pretty obvious.

Second, Trump was sitting for an interview for Mark Meadows book. Saying off the record before sharing the classified information may protect it from being published by a journalist, but doesn’t protect you from being prosecuted by a prosecutor.

[Strange Brew]

Honestly if your ever agreed with me, I would have to rethink my opinion. The level of confidently incorrect bull shit you spew about the law is comical.

The difference between the Biden, Pence, Bill and Hillary vs Trump facts are obvious. There is a shit load of classified information that is shared at all levels of government, from the president, vice president, Secretary of State, all the way down to low level government contractors. (In my opinion way too much is unnecessarily classified). In the former cases, when classified information was discovered, they cooperated and turned it over. In the later case he lied about it, obstructed attempts to recover it, and unlawfully shared it with no authority to do so.

He has been charged with a violation of 18 usc 793(e) which provides: “(e)Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-80204913-629259739&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:37:section:793) or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States (https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-80204913-629259739&term_occur=999&term_src=title:18:part:I:chapter:37:section:793) entitled to receive it; or“

So, did Trump posses it? Yes
Was he authorized to possess it? This is his best defense, but seems unlikely.
Did he attempt to deliver to someone unauthorized to see it? Yes, on tape doing it
Did he know he couldn’t? Yes, once again on tape.
Did he willfully retain it? Yes
Did he refuse to return it when demanded? Yes

Trump made it a campaign promise to prosecute Hillary and had 4 years of control over the DOJ and couldn’t make the case. My guess is that all they have is the bull shit conspiracy theories you peddle in on the deep edges of Twitter, and not real evidence to make a case.





Amazingly we agree too much is classified.

And we agree on his right to possess it is the matter at hand.

Now, tell me the role of precedent and how it applies here. If you can’t this is clearly selective prosecution.

[Strange Brew]

First, you not being a lawyer is pretty obvious.

Second, Trump was sitting for an interview for Mark Meadows book. Saying off the record before sharing the classified information may protect it from being published by a journalist, but doesn’t protect you from being prosecuted by a prosecutor.

And when and how did you know this before today? Seems like these leaks could taint a jury pool. Do you agree Counselor?

[STL_XUfan]

And when and how did you know this before today? Seems like these leaks could taint a jury pool. Do you agree Counselor?
You didn’t seem to know it, so out of a jury pool of a few million I am sure they can find 12 others that didn’t either.

Also, it appears that the AG has been frustratingly closed lips, instead it is the press putting together the tea leaves.

[Strange Brew]

You didn’t seem to know it, so out of a jury pool of a few million I am sure they can find 12 others that didn’t either.

Also, it appears that the AG has been frustratingly closed lips, instead it is the press putting together the tea leaves.

This will be a very interesting case for sure which I find it amazing how sloppily the indictment was written. Seemed a bit rushed…

[STL_XUfan]

This will be a very interesting case for sure which I find it amazing how sloppily the indictment was written. Seemed a bit rushed…
What are you even talking about. That indictment was written tight enough that even Bill Barr said if half was true Trump is toast? It is clear you don’t read pleadings for a living, cause this basically nailed the jury instructions on any potential trial.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think it would serve this conversation well if everyone actually read the indictment.

It's not that long. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23839627-read-trump-indictment-related-to-mishandling-of-classified-documents

Then you'd understand that as a private citizen he isn't "allowed to keep." Even if he wants some memorabilia, highly classified documents don't fit that bill and he isn't allowed to have them in his possession, let alone show them to others.

And when his attorneys are told "what happens if we just don't respond at all, or don't play ball with them"...that doesn't sound at all like they were "negotiating the return of the documents."

Read the indictment.

That sounds more like asking than telling.

It sounds as if a lot of this amounts to arrogance and stupidity.

Espionage?

[paulxu]

That sounds more like asking than telling.

It sounds as if a lot of this amounts to arrogance and stupidity.

Espionage?


For example, a retired Air Force officer, Robert Birchum, was sentenced earlier this month to three years in federal prison for keeping classified material at his Florida home. Birchum was charged under the same portion of federal law that prosecutors have accused Trump of violating – the Espionage Act.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/politics/espionage-act-trump-what-matters/index.html



(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document.... willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter37&edition=prelim

You'd think that the senior senator from my state, who is an attorney, has practiced law, and was in the JAG corps for years would understand this.
Apparently not.

[xubrew]

I just started and the prosecutor indicted TRUMP not Donald J Trump. While DJT was identified the author did not specify Donald J Trump would henceforth be known as TRUMP or the Defendant.

That’s just sad and I hope that is not the real document.

Why it’s sad is because legally no such person known as TRUMP exists unless they are indicting his brand.

And for the record. I am not a lawyer.

That aside. I want to know who was at the golf club in NJ and what the purpose of the meeting and also who recorded it (if the tape exists). Also, I’d like to know if NJ is a two way consent State when it comes to recordings. That can cause problems for the recorder.

I’m not a lawyer and no one is paying me to do this so I’ll stop.

Yeah, you not being a lawyer is pretty clear. Prosecutors are not who indict. That would be done by a grand jury.

[xuphan]

Yeah, you not being a lawyer is pretty clear. Prosecutors are not who indict. That would be done by a grand jury.

Republicans are trying to censor Adam Schiff. Did I miss something recently that happened?

[X-band '01]

It's the Freedom Caucus throwing a tantrum after McCarthy's debt-ceiling deal with the Democrats.

[bobbiemcgee]

Santos We must preserve the integrity of the House of Representatives "

[bjf123]

Maybe we can all agree that pretty much every member of Congress is a self serving, party first, lying, sack of shit?

[STL_XUfan]

Maybe we can all agree that pretty much every member of Congress is a self serving, party first, lying, sack of shit?
Hey, some of them put themselves way before the party.

[noteggs]

Maybe we can all agree that pretty much every member of Congress is a self serving, party first, lying, sack of shit?

Yep

You can throw in the executive branch as well…

[Masterofreality]

Republicans are trying to censor Adam Schiff. Did I miss something recently that happened?

Only that Schiff lies practically every day.
Still waiting for that unequivocal evidence of collusion that he never produced.

[Smails]

Republicans are trying to censor Adam Schiff. Did I miss something recently that happened?

Washington Republicans are dumb. They went too far and tried to impose a monster fine on top of the censure. Schiff would have sued. If they would have just stuck to the censure, it could have stuck. He's been completely exposed as a liar who literally made up the fact that he had some smoking gun on Trump and that he was secretly keeping it until the trial..He had nothing. Complete disgrace of a human being, but Republicans once again can't get out of their own way.

[Masterofreality]

Washington Republicans are dumb. They went too far and tried to impose a monster fine on top of the censure. Schiff would have sued. If they would have just stuck to the censure, it could have stuck. He's been completely exposed as a liar who literally made up the fact that he had some smoking gun on Trump and that he was secretly keeping it until the trial..He had nothing. Complete disgrace of a human being, but Republicans once again can't get out of their own way.

They are going to reintroduce the censure without the fine.

[bjf123]

Only that Schiff lies practically every day.
Still waiting for that unequivocal evidence of collusion that he never produced.

^^^This^^^


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[xuphan]

^^^This^^^


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Rep. Andy Ogles has filed articles of impeachment against Biden and Harris. Seems like it’s going to be a bumpy road for Joe and co.

[Strange Brew]

^^^This^^^


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Bread and Circus..

[X-band '01]

I had to look up that name and now I'm getting swamped with spyware and Fox News suggestions. Thanks Phan.

[Strange Brew]

I had to look up that name and now I'm getting swamped with spyware and Fox News suggestions. Thanks Phan.

Oh, holy crap? Fox News? You should hit all of your devices with a hammer just to be sure…

Haha. Don’t you know know it’s going to be alight…

Oh well, whatever Nevermind.

Why are we fighting each other after all of this? Did you ever ask yourselves, “what are we missing in the fog of distractions”?

[bjf123]

Rep. Andy Ogles has filed articles of impeachment against Biden and Harris. Seems like it’s going to be a bumpy road for Joe and co.

After the Dems set the stage against Trump, I fully expect articles of impeachment to be filed by the House any time the President is from the other party. That’s the new normal.


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[XU_Lou]

https://thelibertydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Media-Bias.jpg

[xuphan]

I had to look up that name and now I'm getting swamped with spyware and Fox News suggestions. Thanks Phan.

Haha my bad X-band. At least the search didn’t take you to infowars. I would not recommend searching Hunter Biden. Who knows what sites it will take you to.

[UCGRAD4X]

https://thelibertydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Media-Bias.jpg

It was a clever move for the indictment to come down the same day the file about the alleged $5 million dollar bribe to the Bidens came out.

Then again, I'm not sure it would have received a whole lot more attention anyway...if any.

[xuphan]

https://thelibertydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Media-Bias.jpg

This is Bobbies president.

https://youtube.com/shorts/pfxv8Tlk9uc?feature=share

[XU_Lou]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BMA30nE2T8&t=5s

[bobbiemcgee]

She's pretty washed up at news!axx

[XU_Lou]

"Finally, you are starting to get it. Almost.

The Obama administration opened up a counter-intelligence operation against candidate trump, and later President Trump on false evidence that they knew was bought and paid for by the Clinton campaign.

So the alphabet agencies were actively working to undermine and destroy a sitting president through lies and subterfuge, with Obama knowing the whole time.

Gee, there's a phrase for that - Seditious Conspiracy? Treason?

And you treat it like it's water off the duck's back. And are just now starting to acknowledge how grave it is that the far left has hijacked the legal apparatus in this country and is using it to terrorize anyone who doesn't walk in lock step with them.

For the love of god Alex, you are a great journalist. Take off those Manhattan liberal tinted glasses for good and seek the truth. The actual truth. Our country is becoming a nightmare. That is not hyperbole.

Hate Trump all you want, but the people going after him are abusing power in ways that we've never seen in this country.

Thank you."

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/on-donald-trump-and-hunter-biden



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7lO_m5nHXI

[MADXSTER]

Speaking of Abuse of power, people in power being able to have the IRS go after particular individuals seems to be an abuse of power. Waiting for a lawsuit to happen someday.

[Muskie in dayton]

“Trump colluded with Russia”.
Oh wait. Maybe not.
Huh, it was actually Hillary fabricating shit.

”January 6 was an insurrection!”
Well, maybe some FBI guys were there but they were just there to keep peace.
Ray Epps who??

“Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation!”
OK, maybe it was real. But it was just Hunter acting on his own.
Uhh, what Big Guy?

Are you paying attention yet?

[94GRAD]

“Trump colluded with Russia”.
Oh wait. Maybe not.
Huh, it was actually Hillary fabricating shit.

”January 6 was an insurrection!”
Well, maybe some FBI guys were there but they were just there to keep peace.
Ray Epps who??

“Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation!”
OK, maybe it was real. But it was just Hunter acting on his own.
Uhh, what Big Guy?

Are you paying attention yet?


I just don't get why people want to downplay what happened at and to the Capital Building on Jan 6th. It just boggles my mind.

[XU_Lou]

I just don't get why people want to downplay what happened at and to the Capital Building on Jan 6th. It just boggles my mind.

I just don't get why people want to downplay the role the Feds played. It just boggles my mind:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1gc9Desq1w&t=727s

[paulxu]

There's a lot of rabbit holes for people to go down these days.

[Muskie in dayton]

I just don't get why people want to downplay what happened at and to the Capital Building on Jan 6th. It just boggles my mind.
You aren’t paying attention yet.

[Muskie in dayton]

There's a lot of rabbit holes for people to go down these days.
There are a lot of ostriches still putting their heads in the sand too.

When you go down those rabbit holes, you don’t find rabbits. You find rats.

[paulxu]

Oath Keepers and Proud Boys found guilty of sedition.
Yes, lots of rats down those holes.
Over 1000 arrested so far, with 460+ pleas of guilty.
LOTS of rats.

[Xville]

There are a lot of ostriches still putting their heads in the sand too.

When you go down those rabbit holes, you don’t find rabbits. You find rats.

Lol deep state lol.

[Masterofreality]

Speaks for itself.
*Some on here need to worry about the current lousy state of affairs cause most people are noticing Lyin’ Joe Biden’s incompetence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12203995/Half-Democrats-say-Joe-Biden-old-president-according-DailyMail-com-poll.html

[Masterofreality]

Oath Keepers and Proud Boys found guilty of sedition.
Yes, lots of rats down those holes.
Over 1000 arrested so far, with 460+ pleas of guilty.
LOTS of rats.

And they are now no threat, but those rats in the White House are…
Enter 2023, Paul.

[X-band '01]

And they are now no threat, but those rats in the White House are…
Enter 2023, Paul.

Says the group of posters who are stuck in 1984 and still think "Where's the beef" is funny.

[XU_Lou]

Several of you have expressed dissatisfaction with the presumed presidential candidates. Well, here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is. We all need to get behind 3rd party candidate, Cornell West:

https://www.cornelwest24.com/

[Masterofreality]

Says the group of posters who are stuck in 1984 and still think "Where's the beef" is funny.

What does that mean Band??
We seem to have a real crisis of confidence, ludicrous inflation now besides a messed up social system.
Do you support Trans Men with testosterone in their system naturally participating and dominating in women’s sports for example? Do you support Drag Queen Story hour for 8 year old kids as well as Drag Shows?
Biden sure does. Maybe your generation thinks THAT’S funny.

[GoMuskies]

Says the group of posters who are stuck in 1984 and still think "Where's the beef" is funny.

Where's the beef was objectively funny back then (when I was seven).

[XU_Lou]

The limits of populist resistance and the nature of Western liberal democratic government

"It’s a real problem, how political systems founded to express the popular will have come to operate with almost perfect independence of this will. A lot has been written on this phenomenon, and here and there on this blog I’ve tried to introduce readers to some of the ideas in this body of thought. A key thesis is Robert Michels’s iron law of oligarchy, which holds that organisational pressures force any political arrangement to function sooner or later as an oligarchic system broadly independent of the masses. It’s obvious that the permanent bureaucracy plays a key role in modern liberal oligarchic systems..."

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-limits-of-populist-resistance

[XU_Lou]

More proof we are witnessing the fall of the US and the western world: https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1670819054913835010

[Strange Brew]

Where's the beef was objectively funny back then (when I was seven).

And a very effective ad. I suddenly crave spicy nuggets…:)

[Strange Brew]

The limits of populist resistance and the nature of Western liberal democratic government

"It’s a real problem, how political systems founded to express the popular will have come to operate with almost perfect independence of this will. A lot has been written on this phenomenon, and here and there on this blog I’ve tried to introduce readers to some of the ideas in this body of thought. A key thesis is Robert Michels’s iron law of oligarchy, which holds that organisational pressures force any political arrangement to function sooner or later as an oligarchic system broadly independent of the masses. It’s obvious that the permanent bureaucracy plays a key role in modern liberal oligarchic systems..."

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/the-limits-of-populist-resistance

Nice!

Help, help. I’m being repressed. Monty Python nailed it years ago. :)

[Masterofreality]

And a very effective ad. I suddenly crave spicy nuggets…:)

In Wendy’s latest ad campaign they actually had Reggie Miller reprise it!

[bjf123]

And a very effective ad. I suddenly crave spicy nuggets…:)

Those are chicken. What are you, beefphobic? [emoji1787]


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[Masterofreality]

The DOJ gives Hunter Biden a slap on the wrist.
Talk about politicized agencies?
Congress must investigate this corrupt family.

[bjf123]

The DOJ gives Hunter Biden a slap on the wrist.
Talk about politicized agencies?
Congress must investigate this corrupt family.

Wasn’t the plea agreement negotiated by a Trump appointee? I doubt this deal is all that different than other people who can afford high priced attorneys would get. There was no chance he was getting jail time.


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[xuphan]

More proof we are witnessing the fall of the US and the western world: https://twitter.com/JeffYoungerShow/status/1670819054913835010

Is this part of the “No Justice, No Peace” protests?

[Masterofreality]

Wasn’t the plea agreement negotiated by a Trump appointee? I doubt this deal is all that different than other people who can afford high priced attorneys would get. There was no chance he was getting jail time.


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Feds wanted to send Lil Wayne (@LilTunechi) to prison for 10 years for the same crime that Hunter Biden is getting a slap on the wrist for.
RACIST DEMOCRATS!

[Xville]

Feds wanted to send Lil Wayne (@LilTunechi) to prison for 10 years for the same crime that Hunter Biden is getting a slap on the wrist for.
RACIST DEMOCRATS!

Yeah completely the same situation.. you’re an idiot.

[xuwillie]

Yeah completely the same situation.. you’re an idiot.

Both were illegal. Not sure what point your making but Biden is clearly getting off easy

[bjf123]

Looks like LilWayne had to pay about $14MM in back taxes to settle his case. Not sure how much Hunter has to pay. One article said he owed just over $1MM.


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[STL_XUfan]

Feds wanted to send Lil Wayne (@LilTunechi) to prison for 10 years for the same crime that Hunter Biden is getting a slap on the wrist for.
RACIST DEMOCRATS!

And how much time did he end up serving?

[XU_Lou]

This Hunter gun issue is hilarious.

The libs defending his slap on the wrist totally destroyed their argument for gun control - forever....

This also falls into Trump's lap of the two-tiered justice system, which anyone with half an objective brain knows is blatantly obvious and true.

[Strange Brew]

This Hunter gun issue is hilarious.

The libs defending his slap on the wrist totally destroyed their argument for gun control - forever....

This also falls into Trump's lap of the two-tiered justice system, which anyone with half an objective brain knows is blatantly obvious and true.

“Who is John Galt”?

[Xville]

Both were illegal. Not sure what point your making but Biden is clearly getting off easy


My point is that if anyone knows anything about lil Wayne is that he was arrested about a million times ( yea, hyperbole) and charged with unlawful gun charges two times before the aforementioned situation. He also only served eight months. It’s a dumb argument, but what else is new with Mor.

I think all this really highlights is how bad our justice system is across the entire system, I don’t believe that’s partial to poor vs rich or political affiliation.

Glad to see that lou could slurp up trumps words and read all his right wing blogs so he could figure out how to feel about all of this since he has no actual thoughts of his own.

[XU_Lou]

Looks like the law/politics expert is trying to pick a fight with someone, anyone? First it was Muskie In Dayton the other day, then MOR, now he throws a handful of dirt at me for no apparent reason.

Strange Brew, I bet your next in line.

[Xville]

Looks like the law/politics expert is trying to pick a fight with someone, anyone? First it was Muskie In Dayton the other day, then MOR, now he throws a handful of dirt at me for no apparent reason.

Strange Brew, I bet your next in line.

“Throws a handful of dirt…” sounds a lot like you and how you respond to an entire group of people that you try to put in a box. Clueless warrior

[noteggs]

“Who is John Galt”?

Seems to be extremely relevant today

[xuwillie]

“Throws a handful of dirt…” sounds a lot like you and how you respond to an entire group of people that you try to put in a box. Clueless warrior

It’s really only Paul and Bobbie. Those are the two most clueless warriors on this board. I don’t think the politics topic would continue without those 2’s dumb ass posts.

[Xville]

It’s really only Paul and Bobbie. Those are the two most clueless warriors on this board. I don’t think the politics topic would continue without those 2’s dumb ass posts.

Frankly there are 2-3 people on each side here that I swear are paid super pac members for each side. It’s all black and white for these folks and they peddle each side’s bullshit day after day thinking they are 100% right and the other side is 100% wrong. They are a great representation of the problem with this country, and why I get pissed off when I read their nonsense.

[X-band '01]

Just imagine if PMThor and DC Muskie still posted regularly.

[bobbiemcgee]

It’s really only Paul and Bobbie. Those are the two most clueless warriors on this board. I don’t think the politics topic would continue without those 2’s dumb ass posts.

Nobody really gives a fuck,about your idiotic posts. I'm pretty sure you would blow trump if he ever came to Co. He lost here in a landslide so who is clueless?

[bobbiemcgee]

You always start with the name calling when your losing the argument.

[bobbiemcgee]

Still supporting Boebert ? Moron.

[bobbiemcgee]

If you disagree just make your point without all the bullshit. You and Lou should probably get jobs.

[Strange Brew]

Those are chicken. What are you, beefphobic? [emoji1787]


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Of course not. I sometimes enjoy a JBC when I’m in a hurry.

[XU_Lou]

Sounds like Boobie is hitting the sauce pretty hard tonight.

By any chance, is your last name Huggins? Asking for a friend....

[Xville]

Of course not. I sometimes enjoy a JBC when I’m in a hurry.

I remember back in college when those were 5 for 5 dollars. Me and a few friends lived off of their things for a while.

[Strange Brew]

I remember back in college when those were 5 for 5 dollars. Me and a few friends lived off of their things for a while.

Those were the days.

The large pizza deal Papa John’s offered X students was amazing as were the late night Philly cheese steaks from the Cafe.

[noteggs]

Does anyone remember ten cents for 20 ounce pops from Dominos? Those cups were great for a kegger!

[Strange Brew]

(when I was seven).

Public reps. This was really funny.

[Masterofreality]

And how much time did he end up serving?

In response. People end up in prison every single day for crimes less serious than what Hunter Biden did. And in large part thanks to the legislative legacy of his father. (Remember the “Crime Bill of the 1990’s pushed by Joe Biden?) And then when it came time for Hunter to live in the system his father created, he got a special pass.
Wonder why???

[Xville]

In response. People end up in prison every single day for crimes less serious than what Hunter Biden did. And in large part thanks to the legislative legacy of his father. (Remember the “Crime Bill of the 1990’s pushed by Joe Biden?) And then when it came time for Hunter to live in the system his father created, he got a special pass.
Wonder why???

Blah blah blah. This is called failing to answer the question.

[STL_XUfan]

In response. People end up in prison every single day for crimes less serious than what Hunter Biden did. And in large part thanks to the legislative legacy of his father. (Remember the “Crime Bill of the 1990’s pushed by Joe Biden?) And then when it came time for Hunter to live in the system his father created, he got a special pass.
Wonder why???
The answer is 0 days. Cause he entered into a similar deal as Hunter Biden. This isn't because of special treatment (other than being rich), it is because it is the typical deal.

I would bet that we see a similar deal or punishment in the Trump tax case (take a low level plea with an agreement to pay the back taxes with some fines).

[XU_Lou]

Do you guys remember when we skeptics weren't allowed to mention this on this board? I do. Turns out we were right - once again. But you screamed bloody murder every single time the lies were exposed - every time the data was thrown in your face showing you were being lied to.



In the January 2021 email, Walensky clearly admits that the jabs weren’t working as advertised:

"I had a call with Francis Collins this morning and one of the issues we discussed was that of vaccine breakthroughs."

However, in public, Walensky was saying something quite different. Two months after discussing this data, she said vaccinated people “don’t carry the virus” and “don’t get sick.”



Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya
Stunning FOIA revelation! Three quick items:
1. @CDCgov director Walensky knew about vax "breakthrough" infections in January 2021. So did Tony Fauci.
2. They continued to push vax mandates anyway.
3. CDC is abusing its FOIA redaction privilege. This is not a classified email.



Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD
@houmanhemmati
I’m beyond the point of anger about this, Jay. At this point, I’m sad — Sad that our great nation can be led by such deceptive and/or incompetent people who are entrusted with enormous power and then use it in such ways. We can do better. We must do better. This isn’t the USA I immigrated to.


https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/06/20/cdc-email-shows-biden-admin-knew-vaccines-didnt-stop-covid-yet-forced-them-on-the-nation-anyway-n764629

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1670979162558042112

[Masterofreality]

The answer is 0 days. Cause he entered into a similar deal as Hunter Biden. This isn't because of special treatment (other than being rich), it is because it is the typical deal.

I would bet that we see a similar deal or punishment in the Trump tax case (take a low level plea with an agreement to pay the back taxes with some fines).

False. Per The NY Times he served 8 months on the gun charge:
“ Lil Wayne, born Dwayne Michael Carter Jr., previously pleaded guilty to attempted possession of a weapon in connection with a gun that was found on his tour bus in Manhattan in 2007. He served eight months of a one-year sentence at Rikers Island jail.”

This renders the rest of your post invalid.

[bobbiemcgee]

He pleaded guilty. Duh.

[Masterofreality]

He pleaded guilty. Duh.

Yeah. So did Hunter

[xuwillie]

Yeah. So did Hunter

We care about gun laws until we don’t.

[paulxu]

Lil Wayne was a convicted felon, in possession of a firearm...so his sentence was stiffer than Biden's.

No real mystery.

I've got an idea: let's focus on people who are gay, or immigrants, or Muslims, or who want to change genders...and ignore the real problems facing our country. That won't help anything...but it'll keep the rabid base all fired up. Then they'll pay $30+ for a six pack, that may or may not ever ship. How gullible can they be? We may never find out at this rate, but someone will make a LOT of money trying to find the bottom of that barrel.

[Xville]

Lil Wayne was a convicted felon, in possession of a firearm...so his sentence was stiffer than Biden's.

No real mystery.

I've got an idea: let's focus on people who are gay, or immigrants, or Muslims, or who want to change genders...and ignore the real problems facing our country. That won't help anything...but it'll keep the rabid base all fired up. Then they'll pay $30+ for a six pack, that may or may not ever ship. How gullible can they be? We may never find out at this rate, but someone will make a LOT of money trying to find the bottom of that barrel.

So… what are these “real” problems that you speak of and how are they being handled currently?

[Smails]

I've got an idea: let's focus on people who are gay, or immigrants, or Muslims, or who want to change genders...and ignore the real problems facing our country.

Care to expand on this? Specifically the part about Muslims.. What does that mean?

[Muskie in dayton]

Lol deep state lol.
Lol shallow mind lol.

[Muskie in dayton]

Care to expand on this? Specifically the part about Muslims.. What does that mean?
Well you see, MSNBC told him that conservatives hate Muslims (and blacks and Jews and gays…). It’s what the left does when the topic turns to real policy. Because… well… they suck at that. If they keep branding the right as hateful, maybe people won’t notice how bad they suck. It’s going to suck for them when people realize conservatives aren’t how they want you to think.

[bjf123]

Grab some popcorn. Durham’s testimony should be interesting!

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1671519240711548931?s=61&t=atwq9BjXquoKWiKfBRN9fw


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[Xville]

Well you see, MSNBC told him that conservatives hate Muslims (and blacks and Jews and gays…). It’s what the left does when the topic turns to real policy. Because… well… they suck at that. If they keep branding the right as hateful, maybe people won’t notice how bad they suck. It’s going to suck for them when people realize conservatives aren’t how they want you to think.

Got to love the simple mindedness here. Box everyone into one group. Boy do they have you fooled

[bobbiemcgee]

Grab some popcorn. Durham’s testimony should be interesting!

https://twitter.com/townhallcom/status/1671519240711548931?s=61&t=atwq9BjXquoKWiKfBRN9fw


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4yr nothingburger . no new indictments

[bjf123]

4yr nothingburger . no new indictments

So you think his findings that the FBI had no basis for doing any of the investigations they did into Trump and Russian collusion is a nothing burger? He has said they messed up so much that there needs to be accountability in the organization. Of course, there won’t be any.


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[XU_Lou]

This speech didn't age so well:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWo-GUhnR50

Looks like Biden put all drug users "into one box".

[Masterofreality]

Lil Wayne was a convicted felon, in possession of a firearm...so his sentence was stiffer than Biden's.

No real mystery.

I've got an idea: let's focus on people who are gay, or immigrants, or Muslims, or who want to change genders...and ignore the real problems facing our country. That won't help anything...but it'll keep the rabid base all fired up. Then they'll pay $30+ for a six pack, that may or may not ever ship. How gullible can they be? We may never find out at this rate, but someone will make a LOT of money trying to find the bottom of that barrel.

I’ve got a better idea. Let’s focus on corrupt politicians and their drug addicted sons who got paid big money from non allied foreign countries like China to “consult” while providing nothing. It probably has an influence on how the “Big Guy” treats them. Seems as if that might be a threat to democracy.

[bjf123]

I’ve got a better idea. Let’s focus on corrupt politicians and their drug addicted sons who got paid big money from non allied foreign countries like China to “consult” while providing nothing. It probably has an influence on how the “Big Guy” treats them. Seems as if that might be a threat to democracy.

Think the media would have the same lack of interest if the only thing that changed was it was Don Jr. or Eric Trump who got paid this shitload of cash that Hunter got?


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[paulxu]

Hell, Jared got 2 billion and not a word of concern from you guys. Amazing.

[GoMuskies]

They finally managed to censure Schiff.

[Smails]

I've got an idea: let's focus on people who are gay, or immigrants, or Muslims, or who want to change genders...and ignore the real problems facing our country. That won't help anything...but it'll keep the rabid base all fired up. .

Paul- Since this was your idea, we'll ask you again what are these real problems you speak of and what do you mean with your comment on immigrants and Muslims?

[xuphan]

Do you guys remember when we skeptics weren't allowed to mention this on this board? I do. Turns out we were right - once again. But you screamed bloody murder every single time the lies were exposed - every time the data was thrown in your face showing you were being lied to.



In the January 2021 email, Walensky clearly admits that the jabs weren’t working as advertised:

"I had a call with Francis Collins this morning and one of the issues we discussed was that of vaccine breakthroughs."

However, in public, Walensky was saying something quite different. Two months after discussing this data, she said vaccinated people “don’t carry the virus” and “don’t get sick.”



Jay Bhattacharya
@DrJBhattacharya
Stunning FOIA revelation! Three quick items:
1. @CDCgov director Walensky knew about vax "breakthrough" infections in January 2021. So did Tony Fauci.
2. They continued to push vax mandates anyway.
3. CDC is abusing its FOIA redaction privilege. This is not a classified email.



Houman David Hemmati, MD, PhD
@houmanhemmati
I’m beyond the point of anger about this, Jay. At this point, I’m sad — Sad that our great nation can be led by such deceptive and/or incompetent people who are entrusted with enormous power and then use it in such ways. We can do better. We must do better. This isn’t the USA I immigrated to.


https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2023/06/20/cdc-email-shows-biden-admin-knew-vaccines-didnt-stop-covid-yet-forced-them-on-the-nation-anyway-n764629

https://twitter.com/DrJBhattacharya/status/1670979162558042112

Yes! We all vividly remember when the poor skeptics on this board were harassed about the legitimacy of the COVID vaccines. I remember several people on this board typing bloody murder about anyone even questioning Fauchy, DeWine, etc on these vaccines. The whole nation and especially this board owes a great deal of gratitude for your bravery and courage to bring this topic to light. Hopefully the powers to be here at Xavierhoops.com can make you a mod or something to recognize your once again always right ideology that has helped make this board great again. From all of us here at Xavierhoops.com, thank you XU_Lou!

[Masterofreality]

Hell, Jared got 2 billion and not a word of concern from you guys. Amazing.

Uh, huh.
Because it was a Business Investment and post White House.
Plus Saudi Arabia is (was?) an ally until Biden screwed it up.
Then Biden had to go begging hat in hand to ask the Saudi’s to produce more oil. That did not go well.
Spare me a bunch of quotes from MSNBC and the NYT about how “improper” that was.
For all your handwringing, where are the indictments and convictions from your bullshit?
The same place as “TRUMP COLLUSION”.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jared-kushner-reveals-rare-details-about-ties-with-saudi-crown-prince-11659003014

[bjf123]

Doesn’t this kind of blow up Biden’s oft repeated statements that he never talked with Hunter about any of his business dealings? I guess there’s no indication Joe actually said anything, so maybe it’s technically true. [emoji1787]

https://twitter.com/gpingersoll/status/1671939188994834435?s=46&t=BFaRhpzSZFkQ7RbyDYbL8g

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[paulxu]

You can't be naive enough to not understand Jared's WH time set the 2 billion.
Or that Eric in Oman getting the new Trump hotel off the ground is not anticipatory.

Actually, I guess you can.

[GoMuskies]

Eveyone knows the Saudis are very deliberate about how they spend their money on investmetns. Just look at LIV, for example.

[XU_Lou]

You can't be naive enough to not understand Jared's WH time set the 2 billion.
Or that Eric in Oman getting the new Trump hotel off the ground is not anticipatory.

Actually, I guess you can.

You're seriously arguing that that's worse than what the Biden's did? Oh, I know you're not that naive, and I realize you're attempting to deflect for the sweetheart deal Hunter just got, the soft-on-Democrats-crime and the two-tiered justice system.

Not working....

[bjf123]

You can't be naive enough to not understand Jared's WH time set the 2 billion.
Or that Eric in Oman getting the new Trump hotel off the ground is not anticipatory.

Actually, I guess you can.

Would you then agree that the funds “donated” to the Clinton Foundation were also anticipatory for future benefits?


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[XU_Lou]

I wonder if Paul and Bobbie will whine about this for the next 6 years?


Biden Launched a CIA, Military, State Dept Campaign Against Bolsonaro in Brazil.

The U.S. government mounted an “unannounced campaign” across its “military, the CIA, the State Department, the Pentagon and the White House” to undermine former Brazilian president Jair Bolsonaro and assist the accession of his far-left successor Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva in 2023, according to the Financial Times.

The explosive revelations of a high-level, U.S-led, foreign intervention in Brazil’s election process and the ensuing aftermath will raise concerns, especially with America’s own presidential plebiscite looming.

“The Financial Times has spoken to six former or current US officials involved in the effort, as well as to several key Brazilian institutional figures, to piece together the story of how the Biden administration engaged in what one former top state department official calls a “very unusual” messaging campaign in the months leading up to the vote, using both public and private channels.”

This culminated in Lula breaking with the U.S. over sanctions against China, and with Brazil even supporting China-led efforts to move the global trade system off the U.S. dollar.

The Times reports the U.S. had “a more direct motivation,” specifically noting “the January 6 insurrection by Trump supporters at the Capitol in Washington,” as a driving factor behind President Biden’s strong feelings on intervening in Brazil.

Behind the scenes, the Brazilian military was also warned of consequences if it supported Bolsonaro. When the former president’s supporters stormed the Brazilian capitol demanding military intervention after Lula’s narrow victory, they declined to step in. Biden and the far-left leaders of Canada and Mexico then issued a joint statement in Lula’s support.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/06/22/biden-launched-a-cia-military-state-dept-campaign-against-bolsonaro-in-brazil/


Don't forget how Obama tried to undermine the Israeli election with US taxpayer $$. But that $20K that the Russians supposedly spent on Facebooks ads was the most evil thing ever perpetuated on this country. Lets destroy Ukraine over that!!


The Obama-Biden people are the dirtiest scum this country has ever seen. And yet the gullible suckers on the left keep making excuses for them.

[Masterofreality]

You can't be naive enough to not understand Jared's WH time set the 2 billion.
Or that Eric in Oman getting the new Trump hotel off the ground is not anticipatory.

Actually, I guess you can.

Legitimate Business deals with an ally of the Country.
Other than Democrat bitching, nothing illegal or unusual.
You truly have unmitigated TDS. Seek help.

[XU_Lou]

Not a good day for Ole "Squeaky-Clean Joe:


#1) "Whistleblower transcripts released Thursday revealed the Justice Department sought to thwart IRS investigators “in the form of delays, divulgences, and denials, into the investigation of tax crimes that may have been committed by the President’s son.” According to a supplemental submission in the form of a letter from Dean Zerbe, an attorney for the second whistleblower, officials in Delaware withheld the FD-1023 suggesting a Biden bribery scheme from the IRS."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/22/delaware-prosecutors-hid-fbi-bribery-document-from-irs-investigators/



#2) "An IRS whistleblower told members of Congress that Hunter Biden threatened a Chinese business associate by saying Joe Biden was sitting next to him, documents released Thursday show.

One message showed a July 30, 2017, WhatsApp message with Hunter Biden telling his Chinese business associate, “I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father”

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/22/irs-whistleblower-hunter-joe-biden-chinese-partner/

Turley response: https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1671947375798018049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1671947375798018049%7Ctwgr% 5E9f78e4682b04e46bfbde809f058206488707eb3f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fbrettt%2F2023% 2F06%2F22%2Fjonathan-turley-looks-at-the-media-illusion-that-joe-and-hunter-never-talked-business-n2384759



#3) "Internal Revenue Service (IRS) whistleblower Gary Shapley confirmed in testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee that the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) knew Hunter Biden’s laptop was authentic as far back as November 2019.

“In October 2019, the FBI became aware that a repair shop had a laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden and that the laptop might contain evidence of a crime. The FBI verified its authenticity in November of 2019 by matching the device number against Hunter Biden’s Apple iCloud ID”

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/22/gary-shapley-whistleblower-fbi-hunter-biden-laptop-2019/


The above had a direct impact on the 2020 election. Polls show Trump would've won had voters known this. But the scum at the FBI and DOJ withheld this to throw the election to their grifter puppet.

[paulxu]

Would you then agree that the funds “donated” to the Clinton Foundation were also anticipatory for future benefits?


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I think that's very likely. At least the Clinton Foundation spent those funds (and still does) on doing good around the world.
I don't think Hillary or Bill ever took a salary from it. (I could be wrong)
Contrast with 2 billion going into Jared's private projects that he gets direct rewards from.

I think you can see the difference.

[paulxu]

Fascinating that Trump's DOJ with Barr in charge had 4 years and couldn't come up with anything on Hunter to charge him with.
The Trump appointed Delaware prosecutor, who Biden left in charge so you all wouldn't bitch about favoritism, gets the tax and gun charge.
But none of these other conspiracy stuff.

Hell, Durham spent 4 years chasing Hillary, and got nothing. What a waste your nonsense is.

[Masterofreality]

Fascinating that Trump's DOJ with Barr in charge had 4 years and couldn't come up with anything on Hunter to charge him with.
The Trump appointed Delaware prosecutor, who Biden left in charge so you all wouldn't bitch about favoritism, gets the tax and gun charge.
But none of these other conspiracy stuff.

Hell, Durham spent 4 years chasing Hillary, and got nothing. What a waste your nonsense is.

Uh, maybe this is why Paul, you naive individual. Dirty tricks impeding the investigation by politicized agency hacks.
I guess Whistleblowers are good in your world…..until they’re not.

“These alleged tactics included recurring unjustified delays, such as hindrances in authenticating a message between Hunter Biden and Chinese officials. In a shocking claim, it was revealed that Hunter Biden’s attorneys were tipped off about actions relating to the investigation in advance. This occurred even as investigators had probable cause to search a Northern Virginia storage unit where Hunter Biden had stored files. Moreover, requests to bring charges against Hunter Biden were repeatedly denied, further impeding the investigation.”

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-doj-tipped-off-hunter-biden-before-a-search-of-his-storage-unit-irs-whistleblowers-say-mace/

[X-band '01]

They finally managed to censure Schiff.

No one was happier to see that come to fruition than the future Senator Adam Schiff from California.

[GoMuskies]

No one was happier to see that come to fruition than the future Senator Adam Schiff from California.

Unfortunately for Schiff, Katie Porter is likely to eat him on the campaign trail.

[bjf123]

I think that's very likely. At least the Clinton Foundation spent those funds (and still does) on doing good around the world.
I don't think Hillary or Bill ever took a salary from it. (I could be wrong)
Contrast with 2 billion going into Jared's private projects that he gets direct rewards from.

I think you can see the difference.

Wasn’t the deal with Jared, for lack of a better term, just business? Real estate development is kind of what the Trump family does. Now, if the deal suddenly fell apart when Trump left office, I would agree that looks suspicious.


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[paulxu]

I would think (like Clinton donations) they are spending for a purpose. Just like Oman.

[paulxu]

Uh, maybe this is why Paul, you naive individual. Dirty tricks impeding the investigation by politicized agency hacks.
I guess Whistleblowers are good in your world…..until they’re not.

“These alleged tactics included recurring unjustified delays, such as hindrances in authenticating a message between Hunter Biden and Chinese officials. In a shocking claim, it was revealed that Hunter Biden’s attorneys were tipped off about actions relating to the investigation in advance. This occurred even as investigators had probable cause to search a Northern Virginia storage unit where Hunter Biden had stored files. Moreover, requests to bring charges against Hunter Biden were repeatedly denied, further impeding the investigation.”

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/breaking-doj-tipped-off-hunter-biden-before-a-search-of-his-storage-unit-irs-whistleblowers-say-mace/


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FzPmFIOXwAUyQo7?format=png&name=4096x4096

The first bolded sentence in your link says that they shielded him, allowing the statute of limitations to expire on his tax crimes.

How do you square that with him just recently pleading guilty to his tax crimes? And how do you explain the Trump appointed attorney saying he had full authority with no involvement from DOJ? (Unlike Durham talking all the time with Barr, making a mockery out of the "special counsel" idea.)

[Masterofreality]

The first bolded sentence in your link says that they shielded him, allowing the statute of limitations to expire on his tax crimes.

How do you square that with him just recently pleading guilty to his tax crimes? And how do you explain the Trump appointed attorney saying he had full authority with no involvement from DOJ? (Unlike Durham talking all the time with Barr, making a mockery out of the "special counsel" idea.)

Me? I just posted a credible story. And Hunter is a criminal- glad you admit it- plus it was stated when the announcement came out that the “Investigation is still ongoing” so potentially there are more crimes to come. He obviously pled to some kind of charges. Why would he do that if the Statute had expired? You should probably ask Hunter’s corrupt attorneys that question, but he sure pled down the gun charge to which most would be thrown in the slammer.
And which “Trump appointed attorney”? I assume you refer to Weiss. It is documented that he tried to bring charges numerous times in multiple jurisdictions but he was denied the opportunity. Why was he denied? And why did the DOJ deny him the right to be a Special Counsel if they were serious about getting to the truth? Finally, Weiss isn’t exactly a rampant Republican. Weiss, whose office led the case, is a Trump administration holdover but was recommended to his post by Delaware’s two Democratic senators, who are both close Biden allies. Hmmm. There’s some collusion for ya!

You know who will get to the truth? The House of Representatives.

I don’t have to “square” anything. Maybe you should ask Merrick Garland.
Again, Paul attacks journalists when they don’t agree with his point of view, something that he couldn’t stop blasting Trump about. Can’t have it both ways Bub.

[Masterofreality]

This Biden case just frosts me to the limit.

Imagine being Joe Biden. Your son makes millions of dollars from foreign entities but does not pay taxes because that would mean disclosing that he is engaged in foreign lobbying. With the millions of dollars and no serious job, he becomes a drug addict and illegally obtains a gun. All he tells them is that he is the son of the US Vice President, and he claims that part of the money will go to the "Big Guy." He promises them access to his dad and top US officials. They hire him without any qualifications and pay him millions of dollars.

Eventually, the information comes out, and the Justice Department has to investigate. The investigation drags on for five years, and eventually, they strike a deal with him to plead guilty to two misdemeanors of tax evasion so that the government would not prosecute him for illegally possessing a gun as a drug addict, a serious crime that has sent tens of thousands of Americans to prison for years.

Imagine being the same father who, as a senator, drafted a draconian anti-drug law that sent tens of thousands of black people and others to prison, confiscated all their belongings, and gave a big speech boasting that the drug addicts should all be taken off the streets. Now that your son is one of them, when you're asked about his case, you say you're proud of him and he has done nothing wrong.

Imagine journalists and commentators justifying it on television, singing your praises when their own child would have been in prison long ago for the same crimes. Imagine the people who believed in the rule of law watching the two-tiered justice system so brazenly displayed.

This country is an absolute mess rn.

[paulxu]

A lot of families have to deal with addiction issues in their midst. They are not easy.
If Hunter is guilty, he should be held accountable for all his crimes, despite the addiction issues that make the decisions in those cases difficult.

I can't imagine a country where one of our two political parties has a twice impeached, convicted, and now indicted again person as their leading contender for the presidency. That is an absolute mess.

[Masterofreality]

A lot of families have to deal with addiction issues in their midst. They are not easy.
If Hunter is guilty, he should be held accountable for all his crimes, despite the addiction issues that make the decisions in those cases difficult.

I can't imagine a country where one of our two political parties has a twice impeached, convicted, and now indicted again person as their leading contender for the presidency. That is an absolute mess.

Stop hiding behind “addiction issues”. Hunter wasn’t so addicted that it kept him from dealing with foreign enemies for enrichment and using the Big Guys name for influence and cash.
We all know that the “impeachments” were bullshit and based on nothing other that Dem spite. But the one sure covered up Biden’s Ukraine dealing.
Try again.

[xuwillie]

A lot of families have to deal with addiction issues in their midst. They are not easy.
If Hunter is guilty, he should be held accountable for all his crimes, despite the addiction issues that make the decisions in those cases difficult.

I can't imagine a country where one of our two political parties has a twice impeached, convicted, and now indicted again person as their leading contender for the presidency. That is an absolute mess.

So that makes it ok to break gun laws? You sir are a hypocrite

[paulxu]

When I say he should be held accountable “despite addiction issues”, what is it about that sentence you fail to understand?
Is it too complex?
Try worrying about the larger problem of the presumed nominee being convicted already, and facing espionage charges.

[Masterofreality]

Try worrying about the larger problem of the presumed nominee being convicted already, and facing espionage charges.

This would include the Biden crime family..and Joe himself, soon.

[STL_XUfan]

With the Court's ruling today in US v. Texas and the ruling last week Haaland v. Brackeen, concerning standing, it is starting to look more likely that the student loan forgiveness may succeed on the question of standing.

[xubrew]

I’m really starting to like Chris Christie, which is a shocking sentence to write. I don’t know if I like him, or if it’s that I simply do not dislike him as much as I do Biden, Harris, Trump, and DeSantis.

But…yeah! If the election was today, think I’d vote for this guy!

[Strange Brew]

When I say he should be held accountable “despite addiction issues”, what is it about that sentence you fail to understand?
Is it too complex?
Try worrying about the larger problem of the presumed nominee being convicted already, and facing espionage charges.

Convicted of what? Serious question.

[xubrew]

I just started and the prosecutor indicted TRUMP not Donald J Trump. While DJT was identified the author did not specify Donald J Trump would henceforth be known as TRUMP or the Defendant.

That’s just sad and I hope that is not the real document.

Why it’s sad is because legally no such person known as TRUMP exists unless they are indicting his brand.

And for the record. I am not a lawyer.

That aside. I want to know who was at the golf club in NJ and what the purpose of the meeting and also who recorded it (if the tape exists). Also, I’d like to know if NJ is a two way consent State when it comes to recordings. That can cause problems for the recorder.

I’m not a lawyer and no one is paying me to do this so I’ll stop.


Convicted of what? Serious question.

I don't believe Trump will be convicted of a single thing that the prosecutor has indicted him for.

[bjf123]

With the Court's ruling today in US v. Texas and the ruling last week Haaland v. Brackeen, concerning standing, it is starting to look more likely that the student loan forgiveness may succeed on the question of standing.

So who could have standing?


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[STL_XUfan]

So who could have standing?


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It seems like Barrett's questioning really focused on why the State of Missouri was bringing the claim on behalf of MOHELA rather than just having MOHELA bring the claim itself. Based on that, I think it sounds like at least Barrett would think that the actual loan provider would have standing by claiming a loss in fees around servicing the forgiven loans.

Then again, they could find that Missouri, as the quasi owner of MOHELA, has an interest in protecting the private company they set up, and therefore has standing.

My gut tells me that this Court will find a way to strike down the policy, but I am closer to 50/50 based on the recent ruling, while in the past I would have been closer to 80/20 that it was struck down.

[paulxu]

Convicted of what? Serious question.

Sorry; "liable" for being a sexual abuser, but you would be correct as it wasn't a criminal trial, it's not a "conviction."
His organization was convicted of 17 felonies. Curiously, people aren't worried about a years' long fraud like this, but 2 years of Hunter evading and they go nuts.
I'd trade Trump's possible conviction on the espionage charges for an agreement not to run for office and the return of all the documents to the proper authorities.

[Masterofreality]

With the Court's ruling today in US v. Texas and the ruling last week Haaland v. Brackeen, concerning standing, it is starting to look more likely that the student loan forgiveness may succeed on the question of standing.

I hope you Libs are happy about that and saving your money for higher taxes and higher inflation caused by a more large Fed deficit due to paying off rich kids college loans for them.
Sure, that’s a winning platform.

[XU_Lou]

Djole
@onlydjole
Jun 17

Putin: "Peace was signed between Ukraine and Russia in the spring of 2022."‼️

#Putin publicly showed the previously unpublished document in front of South African President Ramaphosa.

(Nato reportedly sent disgraced US puppet Boris Johnson to force Kiev to back down.)



Response:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Jun 19

Looks like the Biden Administration deployed Boris Johnson to scuttle a tentative peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine in spring 2022. This was never about the Ukrainian people. It was always about engineering a war against Russia. #Kennedy24



Putin showing peace agreement on video: https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1670794027367530498

[Xville]

Wtf someone check in on rfk jr. and give me the shit he’s snorting

[GoMuskies]

Wtf someone check in on rfk jr. and give me the shit he’s snorting

He's with the Bidens?!?

[xuphan]

He's with the Bidens?!?

They all are the same.

[Masterofreality]

From a story from “The Spectator” authored by journalist Charles Lipson today Re: the IRS Whistleblower’s charges vs the Biden’s.

“ The biggest revelation in the Whistleblower’s testimony is a WhatsApp message, supposedly sent on July 20, 2017, from Hunter Biden to Henry Zhao,( Chinese Communist Official) excoriating Zhao for missing a payment deadline. What makes the message so important is not its blunt threat, but its direct invocation of Hunter’s father as part of the business deal and part of the threat.

“I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled… And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”

When the message was sent, in summer 2017, Joe Biden was out of office but widely considered a leading candidate for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in 2020. He has, of course, repeatedly denied any knowledge of his son’s business dealings, much less any involvement or assistance. Those claims are belied by the direct testimony of one of Hunter’s business partners, Tony Bobulinski, who says he met jointly with Joe and Hunter. In addition, Hunter’s business partners made dozens of visits to the White House when Joe was in office and were sometimes photographed with the vice president. The cumulation of that evidence undermines Joe’s claims of complete ignorance. ”

By the way, the “missed” $5.1 million payment, that was eventually made, exactly matches an amount that Joe Biden conveniently left out of his government transparency reports.
Hmmm. Something appears very rotten in Delaware, and elsewhere.

[XU_Lou]

Flynn's response is so beautifully articulated:


Andrew Weissmann ��
@AWeissmann_
·
16h
If Trump is elected, he will never leave office. He will seek to have the Constitution changed to permit more than 2 terms. And will claim victory in all new elections.




General Mike Flynn
@GenFlynn
.
@AWeissmann_ you sound scared. And in the military, we counsel, if you’re scared say you’re scared…p#%sy

Get a life you sniveling POS.



https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1672385989673639938?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1672385989673639938%7Ctwgr% 5E8ed5b5b0d58b3e6587b263183b1e9f72dd42b328%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthelibertydaily.com%2Fgenera l-michael-flynn-decimates-mueller-lackey-andrew-weissmann-in-one-tweet%2F

[XU_Lou]

Holy shit - looks like there's fighting in the streets of Moscow. A coup? Civil War?

[Strange Brew]

Holy shit - looks like there's fighting in the streets of Moscow. A coup? Civil War?

I’m more interested in seeing Zuck vs. Musk.

Musk has weight and reach (and oldish man strength). Who ya got?

Side note: Again. “Who is John Galt”?

[XU_Lou]

I’m more interested in seeing Zuck vs. Musk.

Musk has weight and reach (and oldish man strength). Who ya got?

Side note: Again. “Who is John Galt”?

Musk all the way.

Though facts and details on what exactly is going on are squarely in the fog of war right now, the ramifications could be quite profound, not only for Russia, but the world. Will this be 1993 or 1917?

I'm familiar with the reference, but never read the book. Ask about Rush lyrics and I'll be able to converse....

[bobbiemcgee]

Djole
@onlydjole
Jun 17

Putin: "Peace was signed between Ukraine and Russia in the spring of 2022."‼️

#Putin publicly showed the previously unpublished document in front of South African President Ramaphosa.

(Nato reportedly sent disgraced US puppet Boris Johnson to force Kiev to back down.)



Response:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr
@RobertKennedyJr
Jun 19

Looks like the Biden Administration deployed Boris Johnson to scuttle a tentative peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine in spring 2022. This was never about the Ukrainian people. It was always about engineering a war against Russia. #Kennedy24



Putin showing peace agreement on video: https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1670794027367530498
why would Ukraine want peace talks. They clearly kicking ass and the Russians are fighting Russians are fighting themselves plus they lie constantly.

[Strange Brew]

Musk all the way.

Will this be 1993 or 1917?



The analytics guys would say so.

Neither.

What do you think of, "Tom Sawyer"? You may understand the reference more than you think about it (It's as close as I could come to a Rush lyric). :)

[UCGRAD4X]

I’m more interested in seeing Zuck vs. Musk.

Musk has weight and reach (and oldish man strength). Who ya got?

Side note: Again. “Who is John Galt”?

Apparently Zuck has some serious martial arts training. I read that on the dark web somewhere.

[STL_XUfan]

Really testing the limits of the cliché that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

[XU_Lou]

The analytics guys would say so.

Neither.

What do you think of, "Tom Sawyer"? You may understand the reference more than you think about it (It's as close as I could come to a Rush lyric). :)

A free thinking rebel - probably a lot like JG?

You do know that Neil Peart was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand?