Politics Thread

[paulxu]

Or we could just pass the common sense spending cuts and avoid the mess and threats to Democracy.

Wonder why that didn't come up under the last administration?
What we got were tax cuts, not spending cuts. And no hostage taking on the debt ceiling.
The cuts I've seen proposed so far are Medicaid and Food Stamps. Let's hurt those most in need in our society.

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, Democrat presidents don't run scam Universities or charities.
And their campaign people and advisors don't run scams on Building a Wall and take the money for their personal use, for which a Republican president would give them a get out of jail free card.

So your point is valid.

I wasn't talking about Trump, Mr. TDS. I was talking about:
Hillary.
Hunter.
Fauci.
Antifa/BLM Rioters
Every criminal in a City with a Soros D.A.

Your sentence in bold is the first truth you've spoken here. Congrats.

[paulxu]

Rioters arrested and convicted were not given any pardons by Trump or Biden.
The others on your list haven't be arrested or convicted of any crimes.
If they are, and Biden pardons them, then you might have a point.
Until then it's all conspiracy nonsense. Tucker's gone, so maybe the nonsense will abate without him to stoke the hate.

[Smails]

Rioters arrested and convicted were not given any pardons by Trump or Biden.
The others on your list haven't be arrested or convicted of any crimes.
If they are, and Biden pardons them, then you might have a point.
Until then it's all conspiracy nonsense. Tucker's gone, so maybe the nonsense will abate without him to stoke the hate.

Hold the phone here. Is it your contention that Hillary's handling of classified documents, and the contents of Hunter's laptop is conspiracy nonsense? Are you saying that if there aren't convictions, then no crime was committed?

[Masterofreality]

Rioters arrested and convicted were not given any pardons by Trump or Biden.

The problem with this..again.. is that hundreds of rioters were never taken to trial. They may have been arrested by diligent police, but released and/or charges dropped by Soros backed elected progressive DA’s.
Nice diversion.

[noteggs]

Debt ceiling raised 3 times under former Republican president with no problems.
Democrat in the White House?
Let's play Russian roulette with the financial markets and potentially default on debt for bills already incurred.
That should help the Yuan become more widely accepted in international trade.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-26/yuan-overtakes-dollar-as-china-s-most-used-cross-border-currency#xj4y7vzkg

Really no problems or negotiations?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/07/15/white-house-presses-fall-back-plan-debt-ceiling-if-budget-talks-fall-through/#:~:text=Pelosi%2C%20the%20California%20Democrat%2 C%20said,in%20the%20House%20of%20Representatives.


Pelosi, the California Democrat, said the idea of raising the debt ceiling on its own and not in conjunction with a budget agreement was not “acceptable to our caucus” and therefore did not stand a chance of passage in the House of Representatives.

July 15, 2019

At least Pelosi had a seat at the table with the prior administration

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/15/pelosi-rejects-short-term-debt-ceiling-hike-as-budget-talks-extend-1416491

[Strange Brew]

Wonder why that didn't come up under the last administration?
What we got were tax cuts, not spending cuts. And no hostage taking on the debt ceiling.
The cuts I've seen proposed so far are Medicaid and Food Stamps. Let's hurt those most in need in our society.

Those aren’t the cuts I’m seeing.

[GoMuskies]

Current polling shows that the strongest current challenger to either Biden or Trump.....is another fucking Kennedy. Jesus Christ.

[Xville]

Current polling shows that the strongest current challenger to either Biden or Trump.....is another fucking Kennedy. Jesus Christ.

politics in america have become quite a shitshow. I dunno who is the biggest disaster of those three....its pretty damn close. Lynn Marshall should run.

[GoMuskies]

It's pretty hilarious (sad) reading about all of these Presidential polls being conducted. In pretty much every key state, Biden is runnning ahead of Trump in the polls, but when you pair him with DeSantis, Biden trails. However, there's essentially zero path for DeSantis to beat Trump in the primary short of Trump falling over dead.

From a newsletter I receive:

Battleground Polling: Public Opinion Strategies conducted a series of 500-sample general election polls in five battleground states during the April 11-20 period, and all of the surveys produced very close results while highlighting a familiar pattern. This research gives us an early indication that we will again see a very close general election campaign.

In Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, POS tested both former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis individually against President Biden. In every instance, we see Mr. DeSantis running better when paired against Mr. Biden than does the former President.

First in Arizona, President Biden would lead Mr. Trump by a single point, while Gov. DeSantis would record a six-point advantage over the Democratic incumbent.

The Michigan numbers produced a similar pattern with the President running two points ahead of Mr. Trump but trailing the Florida Governor by three.

Almost the same pattern occurred in the Silver State of Nevada: Biden up one over Trump but down three to DeSantis.

Pennsylvania yields virtually the same result: Biden +4 over Trump; DeSantis +3 over Biden.

And, just about the same was projected for Wisconsin: Biden leading Trump by three percentage points while drawing even opposite Gov. DeSantis.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump is driving the clown car and will easily get the nomination.

[xuphan]

trump is driving the clown car and will easily get the nomination.

Biden driving a mirror image of the same exact clown car and will easily/sadly get the nomination as well. Have political ever been this bad in recent memory in this country?

[bobbiemcgee]

Republicans bitching about trump had two chances to get rid of him. Once before the voters did and once after. Desantis would have been on cruse control. Haha. He will run as long as he can fleece the base.

[bjf123]

trump is driving the clown car and will easily get the nomination.

Which means Biden gets re-elected, resulting in President Kamala when Joe can’t serve his full term.


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[noteggs]

Which means Biden gets re-elected, resulting in President Kamala when Joe can’t serve his full term.


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This is correct…sadly. Just tells you about control.

As my wife (moderate) stated, Harris has been a complete disappointment for many reasons.

But yet here we are.

[xuphan]

Republicans bitching about trump had two chances to get rid of him. Once before the voters did and once after. Desantis would have been on cruse control. Haha. He will run as long as he can fleece the base.

These posts do my head in. Ya, Donald Trump sucks but an 80+ year old Joe Biden candidate doesn’t suck? So the Democrats think the best way to win the 2024 election is to send an 80+ year old Joe Biden into a long drawn out presidential race and an additional 4 more years if he were to be re-elected? You really want a middle to late 80 year old man running this country? That’s the best the Democratic Party can do? Come on man. I’ve never not voted in an election but if the choices for the next election are Joe Biden vs Donald Trump, it will be the first election I won’t vote in.

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you want 80 yr old trump in ' 28?

[xuphan]

Do you want 80 yr old trump in ' 28?

What sane person wants either Donald Trump or Joe Biden to run in 2024? Are the Republican and Democratic parties too afraid to tell them that they don’t want them to run for president? I’d rather vote for a D’Artagan/Blue Blob presidency than either Trump or Biden.

[bjf123]

Do you want 80 yr old trump in ' 28?

Most don’t want 76 year old Trump in ‘24.


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[Xville]

What sane person wants either Donald Trump or Joe Biden to run in 2024? Are the Republican and Democratic parties too afraid to tell them that they don’t want them to run for president? I’d rather vote for a D’Artagan/Blue Blob presidency than either Trump or Biden.

Correct. If that happens, I won’t be voting again for the second time in the election. Not something I’m necessarily proud of, but I refuse to vote when those are the picks. These politicians are effing cowards. McConnell is such a pussy that he can’t even stand up to someone that degrades his wife. Someone says something like that ever to my wife, they’ll end up in the hospital.

[Smails]

In other news..apparently illegal immigration is DOWN 90% due to the bang up job this administration is doing. This woman, who serves as Joe Biden's mouthpiece brings a level of fuckery to that podium that's truly astonishing...i mean this is next level stuff here.

"In the meantime, he has tools that he's used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%. And that's because of this, the actions that this president has taken," Jean-Pierre said.

[Masterofreality]

In other news..apparently illegal immigration is DOWN 90% due to the bang up job this administration is doing. This woman, who serves as Joe Biden's mouthpiece brings a level of fuckery to that podium that's truly astonishing...i mean this is next level stuff here.

"In the meantime, he has tools that he's used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%. And that's because of this, the actions that this president has taken," Jean-Pierre said.

The daily gaslighting and out and out lying from the podium by this Press Secretary is astonishing to behold. There are only a few in that press corps who decide to challenge her, and when they do, she has zero answer or simply just walks off the stage.
The difference in how these conferences proceed now vs 2017-2020 is incredible to behold and Biden won’t answer questions, but just walks off- then jokes about it and throws it in the press corps face at the White House correspondents dinner. They meekly laugh.
What an accountability disgrace this Administration is.

[bjf123]

How the heck do they calculate it being down 90%!!!!! I’d love to see that math.


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[GoMuskies]

How the heck do they calculate it being down 90%!!!!! I’d love to see that math.


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Declare 90% of the border crossings legal. Boom.

[94GRAD]

In other news..apparently illegal immigration is DOWN 90% due to the bang up job this administration is doing. This woman, who serves as Joe Biden's mouthpiece brings a level of fuckery to that podium that's truly astonishing...i mean this is next level stuff here.

"In the meantime, he has tools that he's used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%. And that's because of this, the actions that this president has taken," Jean-Pierre said.

Is there a link to this press conference? I'd like to hear if there was any other nonsense during it. Thanks

[noteggs]

Note to self, do not like tweets because it may cost you your job in academia. So now we can”t question science? Got it! Kinda goes against the rule of thumb.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/thomas-jefferson-university-president-twitter-apologizes-20230501.html

[paulxu]

What a great idea. Return to 2017-20 press conferences filled with bigger crowd size photos (?) and alternate facts.
Just what we need. And a president with over 30,000 lies and counting.
Oh boy, let's do that. A president that broke another decades long tradition by being too afraid to go to even one White House Press Corps dinner.
Guess that's why he's the overwhelming choice of Republicans at this stage.
Can't wait.

[Leghorn]

alternate facts? Pot meet kettle.

[Masterofreality]

Is there a link to this press conference? I'd like to hear if there was any other nonsense during it. Thanks

Yesterdays White House Press Conference:
https://twitter.com/freebeacon/status/1653134811609939968?s=46&t=S0x-8tP8zwoh_nZtLYGevQ

For actual truth:
2022 had 2.76 million illegal border crossings, more than doubling the previous record. Migrant border crossings haven’t decreased. March 2023 saw a 25% increase in border crossings.

[Masterofreality]

What a great idea. Return to 2017-20 press conferences filled with bigger crowd size photos (?) and alternate facts.
Just what we need. And a president with over 30,000 lies and counting.
Oh boy, let's do that. A president that broke another decades long tradition by being too afraid to go to even one White House Press Corps dinner.
Guess that's why he's the overwhelming choice of Republicans at this stage.
Can't wait.

You are being intentionally obtuse with total ignoring of the daily spewing of lies and obsfucation occurring in the White House press briefings. Remember how inflation was “transitory” and Joe Biden was gonna visit East Palestine and Kamala was gonna visit the border, not just have a photo op in El Paso?
And when will Biden actually hold a press conference. This far he has held the fewest of any recent President. When he comes out to speak he reads from prepared text, turns on his heel and ignores all questions.
Ya know. It’s not like there is anything going on in the world like bank failures, wars and inflation.

By the way. Biden’s joke at his speech was it was just like his press interactions. They laughed despite them being used & insulted. Good times for accountability!!

[94GRAD]

In other news..apparently illegal immigration is DOWN 90% due to the bang up job this administration is doing. This woman, who serves as Joe Biden's mouthpiece brings a level of fuckery to that podium that's truly astonishing...i mean this is next level stuff here.

"In the meantime, he has tools that he's used to make sure we do this. We actually deal with the immigration system in a humane way, in a way that actually deals with what we're seeing at the border. And that's why you've seen the parolee program be so successful. When it comes to illegal immigration, you've seen it come down by more than 90%. And that's because of this, the actions that this president has taken," Jean-Pierre said.

https://twitter.com/Enquirer/status/1653504665139531789
Why would they have to send 1500 troops if illegal immigration is down 90%?

[X-band '01]

There is good news for the GOP today - the Screen Writers Guild is on strike for the foreseeable future!

[Masterofreality]

Rioters arrested and convicted were not given any pardons by Trump or Biden.
The others on your list haven't be arrested or convicted of any crimes.
If they are, and Biden pardons them, then you might have a point..

Welp, rioters that were the beneficiaries of Kamala Harris’ bail assistance fund have now been accused and convicted of numerous new crimes-including murder. These were bad people.
See what happens when you go flaccid on violent people? They’ll even come back and do damage to the side that enables them as well.
Maybe that easy bail thing shouldn’t have happened.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnesota-bail-fund-promoted-kamala-harris-previously-freed-suspected-mosque-arsonist

[STL_XUfan]

https://twitter.com/Enquirer/status/1653504665139531789
Why would they have to send 1500 troops if illegal immigration is down 90%?
Has a lot to do with legal asylum seekers turning themselves in at the border, rather than crossing the border illegally. So you need manpower to process them and hear their cases. What really needs to happen is to appoint a shit ton more judges to hear and process these cases quickly rather than waiting years to get them processed and approved or denied.

[Smails]

What a great idea. Return to 2017-20 press conferences filled with bigger crowd size photos (?) and alternate facts.
Just what we need. And a president with over 30,000 lies and counting.
Oh boy, let's do that. A president that broke another decades long tradition by being too afraid to go to even one White House Press Corps dinner.
Guess that's why he's the overwhelming choice of Republicans at this stage.
Can't wait.

Biden's press secretary said illegal immigration was down by 90%, and that's your takeaway? Thanks for letting the board know that you're incapable of processing basic information or conveying an original thought. Is there a Democratic party line that you won't tow? Sad..

[paulxu]

Biden's press secretary said illegal immigration was down by 90%, and that's your takeaway? Thanks for letting the board know that you're incapable of processing basic information or conveying an original thought. Is there a Democratic party line that you won't tow? Sad..

I wasn't responding to the comment's Biden's press secretary made. I was responding to the suggestion that the press conferences of 2017-2020 were so much better. I guess you are comfortable with alternate facts and 30,000 presidential lies. Sad...

[XU_Lou]

I wasn't responding to the comment's Biden's press secretary made. I was responding to the suggestion that the press conferences of 2017-2020 were so much better. I guess you are comfortable with alternate facts and 30,000 presidential lies. Sad...

Yea, we know, you were trying to change the subject. What a sucker....

[Xville]

I wasn't responding to the comment's Biden's press secretary made. I was responding to the suggestion that the press conferences of 2017-2020 were so much better. I guess you are comfortable with alternate facts and 30,000 presidential lies. Sad...

No one said they were better, just that the press handled them completely different. This administration gets a free pass, and there is zero accountability anywhere. That’s sad.

[GoMuskies]

What's worse, a sack of shit or a pile of shit?

That seems to constitute the major topic of discussion here.

[STL_XUfan]

What's worse, a sack of shit or a pile of shit?

That seems to constitute the major topic of discussion here.

Has to be pile of shit. Cause at least the shit is contained within the sack.

[GoMuskies]

Has to be pile of shit. Cause at least the shit is contained within the sack.

Also, you can light it on fire and put it by someone's door as a funny joke. Granted, Ring doorbell has made this less fun.

[Masterofreality]

What's worse, a sack of shit or a pile of shit?

That seems to constitute the major topic of discussion here.

Incredible when one sack of shit is dragged while the pile of shit is left with no one to take it to task and zero accountability.
Seems like the pile that is left stinks more.

[noteggs]

What's worse, a sack of shit or a pile of shit?

That seems to constitute the major topic of discussion here.

I’ve always said. If facts and numbers are shit for you, how do make it smell (sound) good. Lol

[paulxu]

People sucked up Trump's lies for 6 years...and continue to do so today, making him the front runner for the conservatives...with never a peep commenting on how he wasn't being held "accountable."
And you want me to worry about a one White House press conference stat...that was probably intended to reflect something else?
Or noting that illegal crossings are up, but never referring to the ones who are turned back?
I'm guessing you never got your University or Build the Wall refunds...and for sure you'll never get the $250 million back people donated for Stop the Steal nonsense.
You actually can fool some of the people, all the time.

[XU_Lou]

People sucked up Trump's lies for 6 years...and continue to do so today, making him the front runner for the conservatives...with never a peep commenting on how he wasn't being held "accountable."
And you want me to worry about a one White House press conference stat...that was probably intended to reflect something else?
Or noting that illegal crossings are up, but never referring to the ones who are turned back?
I'm guessing you never got your University or Build the Wall refunds...and for sure you'll never get the $250 million back people donated for Stop the Steal nonsense.
You actually can fool some of the people, all the time.

Only 30K lies? He's still has a couple more thousand to catch you!

Actually, Paul, you would be a dream for Joe Goebbels...

[Masterofreality]

People sucked up Trump's lies for 6 years...and continue to do so today, making him the front runner for the conservatives...with never a peep commenting on how he wasn't being held "accountable."
And you want me to worry about a one White House press conference stat...that was probably intended to reflect something else?
Or noting that illegal crossings are up, but never referring to the ones who are turned back?
I'm guessing you never got your University or Build the Wall refunds...and for sure you'll never get the $250 million back people donated for Stop the Steal nonsense.
You actually can fool some of the people, all the time.

Trump isn’t in office. Lyin’ Joe Biden is.
The guy lives on a throne of lies and gaslights constantly. Three different sources below.
You are hopeless.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/28/politics/fact-check-biden-economic-speech-january-2023/index.html

https://www.dailynews.com/2023/02/01/president-joe-bidens-endless-stream-of-lies

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/3850219-the-seven-biggest-lies-biden-told-this-week/

[Smails]

I guess you are comfortable with alternate facts and 30,000 presidential lies. Sad...

What on God's green earth are you talking about? When did I ever express comfort with any of that? Again, I think you are incapable of seeing the reality of the CURRENT situation we are in. THIS president is a liar, his press secretary is a liar and we as a country are worse off because of it. Are not you able to see the blatant dishonesty being spewed by this administration? Seriously?

[UCGRAD4X]

What a great idea. Return to 2017-20 press conferences filled with bigger crowd size photos (?) and alternate facts.
Just what we need. And a president with over 30,000 lies and counting.
Oh boy, let's do that. A president that broke another decades long tradition by being too afraid to go to even one White House Press Corps dinner.
Guess that's why he's the overwhelming choice of Republicans at this stage.
Can't wait.

AFRAID to go to the dinner? Seriously? My impression is that Trump just didn't want to play that rigged game. It was probably more thumbing his nose. The fact that it was a TRADITION probably made it even less likely he would go.

[Masterofreality]

To add:
We could power the country for a year with all the gaslighting going on.

KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: "Kids have lost so much in the pandemic. This is why, when the president walked in, he made a priority to open schools one of the things that was important to do"

Akshually:

The Biden 2020 Presidential campaign was focused on schools being unsafe to reopen.

https://ajlamesa.medium.com/yes-there-was-a-concerted-effort-by-national-democrats-to-politicize-reopening-schools-in-2020-5d390bb986d1

[noteggs]

To add:
We could power the country for a year with all the gaslighting going on.

KARINE JEAN-PIERRE: "Kids have lost so much in the pandemic. This is why, when the president walked in, he made a priority to open schools one of the things that was important to do"

Akshually:

The Biden 2020 Presidential campaign was focused on schools being unsafe to reopen.

https://ajlamesa.medium.com/yes-there-was-a-concerted-effort-by-national-democrats-to-politicize-reopening-schools-in-2020-5d390bb986d1

Bigger question is, why were public schools closed when he came into office? Absolutely no scientific evidence! Oh that’s right, one of his biggest donors advocated the CDC not to do so.

How often can we rewrite history?

[GoMuskies]

Homeless guy acts crazy on the subway, and a former Marine gets him in a chokehold to hold him for police (with the help of a couple of others). Homeless guy dies.

Justified? Or Subway Floyd?

[XU_Lou]

RFK Jr - an old school lib - kind of sounds like Trump...almost MAGA like...

"The banking collapse is the tip of an economic mega-crisis. It’s not just the banks. Job openings plummeted for the third month in a row. Core factory orders dropped for the second consecutive month. Inflation is destroying the middle and working class. We need to turn our attention to rebuilding our nation — NOW. #Kennedy24"

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1653494128322150400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1653494128322150400%7Ctwgr% 5E2ade077d0c35ffb2ae8f37a5106595368ec72565%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revolver.news%2F2023%2F0 5%2Frfk-jr-s-dire-economic-warning-cuts-directly-at-the-heart-of-bidens-narrative%2F


He's going to be a major thorn in Biden's side. I wonder if he would be the one that finally releases the assassination files on his uncle? But lets be real, will the powers that be ever allow RFK to get to the point where he begins leading in the polls? Not only will they want to protect the security state from the release of those files, but they need to continue protecting the Obama-Biden woke/cultural/"Maoist with American characteristics" revolution. RFK is already up to 20% in the last polls I saw. If he gets to 30% or 40% in the next few weeks or so, the sharks will begin smelling blood in the water. Watch for Newsome or Michelle to jump in, and Biden being thrown over the ship.

[XU_Lou]

RFK Jr - who already has support of 20% of Dems, has been throwing out some major truth bombs on Twitter the last couple of days:

on Ukraine:

"After successfully defusing the Cuban Missile Crisis, President John Kennedy warned against ever again forcing Russia to choose between national humiliation and nuclear war. We should heed his advice."

"Zelensky ran as the peace candidate winning the Ukrainian presidency with 70% of the vote. As Benjamin Abelow observes in his brilliant book, “How the West Brought War to Ukraine,” Zelensky almost certainly could have avoided the 2022 war with Russia simply by uttering five words — “I will not join NATO.” But pressured by NeoCons in the Biden White House, and by violent fascist elements within the Ukrainian government, Zelensky integrated his army with NATO’s and allowed the U.S. to place nuclear-capable Aegis missile launchers along Ukraine’s 1,200-mile border with Russia. These were provocations that senior U.S. diplomats like post-WWII foreign policy architect George Kennan, former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill Perry, and former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock had long described as “red lines” for Russian leadership. Let’s face it, the Neocons wanted this war with Russia, just as they wanted war with Iraq."


On immigration:

The most crucial aspect of the immigration crisis is rarely discussed: Why are so many people so desperate in the first place to leave their homes and countries behind for an uncertain future? The answer is uncomfortable. In large part, it is U.S. policies that create desperate conditions south of the border. The War on Drugs is one. U.S.-funded dictators, juntas, paramilitaries, and death squads. Neoliberal extraction of resources. Unpayable debts. It is inhumane and hypocritical to deny immigration while creating the conditions that drive immigration.

Is it possible to be pro-immigration AND pro closing the border? Yes. America should be a haven of freedom and prosperity, open to law-abiding migrants who will contribute to our society. However, immigration must proceed in an orderly, lawful manner. Right now we have chaos at the border. Human trafficking, criminality, intolerable stress on border states like Texas. It is a humanitarian nightmare.


on cash (the world, and the US, are moving towards a cashless society - a Fed Gov't agency, Rocky Mtn NP, just announced they will no longer accept their own currency):

Some advocate tight control of cryptocurrencies to prevent their use by criminals. But it isn’t just criminals who want privacy. So do dissidents and ordinary citizens. Governments harass their enemies and crush dissent by controlling bank accounts and payment platforms. Until we restore trust in government (a distant prospect) we need cash and crypto to ensure freedom.


on free speech:

Instead of championing free speech, the U.S. actively persecutes journalists and whistleblowers. I’ll pardon brave truth-tellers like Julian Assange and investigate the corruption and crimes they exposed. This isn’t the Soviet Union. The America I love doesn’t imprison dissidents.

Bruce Pearl and Jonathan Turley weighed in on ABC censorship:
https://twitter.com/coachbrucepearl/status/1653001622790844417


https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr

[Xville]

The four horsemen of the apocalypse is complete. Lou loves him a kennedy. This is the same kennedy who without any proof whatsoever espoused the nonsense that vaccines cause autism. The guy is a loony tune.

[XU_Lou]

The four horsemen of the apocalypse is complete. Lou loves him a kennedy. This is the same kennedy who without any proof whatsoever espoused the nonsense that vaccines cause autism. The guy is a loony tune.

Looks like the resident racist is back....

[Xville]

Looks like the resident racist is back....

Lol where you come up with that looney tune?

How many times have you been banned? 10? 20? Yet you keep coming back? A bit psychotic, no?

Nice of you to deflect the comment though. I guess it makes sense you two can go anti vax together in fairytale land

[Masterofreality]

Homeless guy acts crazy on the subway, and a former Marine gets him in a chokehold to hold him for police (with the help of a couple of others). Homeless guy dies.

Justified? Or Subway Floyd?

I say justified. Homeless guy had been arrested Forty Four times before for harassing passengers and had been released to the outside world every time despite the fact that NYC spends hundreds of millions every year on mental health assistance.
I doubt Marine had any intent to kill the guy and guy probably just didn’t stop resisting. Would you have let this maniac go?
The word is “If you see something, say or do something. This guy was harrassing an elderly lady and had just recently before tried to push a passenger off the station platform into the path of an oncoming train. So the Marine “does something” and protects other passengers.
As ludicrous as Bragg is, he’ll probably indict the Marine for murder..
Unclear: Was the Marine Black too?
Edit. He was not.
And I must add that Neeley was a very sad story. Some of it from outside influences such as his mother being murdered and some from him just not taking his meds. He was in and out of Bellevue. He definitely should not have been released into the public sphere.

[Muskie in dayton]

The four horsemen of the apocalypse is complete. Lou loves him a kennedy. This is the same kennedy who without any proof whatsoever espoused the nonsense that vaccines cause autism. The guy is a loony tune.
Kennedy raised issues with the safety and efficacy of the Covid vax long before it was widely acknowledged. He is a prognosticator.

[Muskie in dayton]

Homeless guy acts crazy on the subway, and a former Marine gets him in a chokehold to hold him for police (with the help of a couple of others). Homeless guy dies.

Justified? Or Subway Floyd?
Only in clown world is restraining a guy making violent threats a problem. We live in clown world.

[paulxu]

Without commenting on the legal aspects, it is my understanding that a person passes out from being in a choke hold, and then you have to continue it for some time to cause death.
It might seem that once the guy lapsed into unconsciousness, that the pressure could have been relaxed, and he could have been watched until the cops came, especially if the Marine had others assisting him at that time. Maybe not.

[Masterofreality]

From the files of Woke Dem Illiberals are the actual racists:
This from Bari Weiss’ “The Free Press” TGIF:

In the wealthy suburb of Evanston, Illinois, segregation is back, baby. Evanston Township High School is segregating math classes by race. The Spectator, which is always fabulous, brings us the scoop this week.


After the Spectator story, the school updated their language to be a little more vague, about certain classes simply “intending to support” certain races but technically being open to others. There’s a long-standing joke that the ultra-woke and the racist actually agree on everything. But it’s supposed to be a joke. Now we have, in real life, an algebra class for “black male students” and, unspoken but implied, algebra for white students. My jaw is dropped as I write this; it seems vaguely racist even to type these things.

Meanwhile, The New England Journal of Medicine wants to bring racial segregation to medical school classrooms to prevent “trauma.”

One last note on the neo-racism we’re seeing in schools comes from a lawsuit alleging discrimination against Asians in college admissions. Here is a sample of how progressive admissions offices talk:

“ This confusion about who counts as Asian apparently extended to UNC's admissions office. In response to an admissions officer's message noting that an applicant had a "perfect 2400 SAT»" another admissions officer asked, "Brown?!" UNC.JA1250. The first admissions officer responded, "Heck no. Asian." UNC.JA1251. This exchange reveals a misunderstanding of the term "Asian" as excluding dark-skinned individuals with
ancestry in South and Southeast Asia.”

https://thespectator.com/topic/illinois-high-school-offers-racially-segregated-math-classes-evanston-township/

[paulxu]

Proud Boy leaders..."Tourists" or Seditious Conspiracy participants?

A jury of their peers just decided the latter.

[Strange Brew]

Proud Boy leaders..."Tourists" or Seditious Conspiracy participants?

A jury of their peers just decided the latter.

Their Peers? In DC? :)

Not sure you understand the meaning of the word "peer" and remember you're the one that brought this up.

Edit: I'll help in context.

noun
a group of people of approximately the same age, status, and interests.
"prodigies should spend as much time as possible with their peer group"

[Strange Brew]

RFK Jr - who already has support of 20% of Dems, has been throwing out some major truth bombs on Twitter the last couple of days:

on Ukraine:

"After successfully defusing the Cuban Missile Crisis, President John Kennedy warned against ever again forcing Russia to choose between national humiliation and nuclear war. We should heed his advice."

"Zelensky ran as the peace candidate winning the Ukrainian presidency with 70% of the vote. As Benjamin Abelow observes in his brilliant book, “How the West Brought War to Ukraine,” Zelensky almost certainly could have avoided the 2022 war with Russia simply by uttering five words — “I will not join NATO.” But pressured by NeoCons in the Biden White House, and by violent fascist elements within the Ukrainian government, Zelensky integrated his army with NATO’s and allowed the U.S. to place nuclear-capable Aegis missile launchers along Ukraine’s 1,200-mile border with Russia. These were provocations that senior U.S. diplomats like post-WWII foreign policy architect George Kennan, former U.S. Defense Secretary Bill Perry, and former U.S. ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock had long described as “red lines” for Russian leadership. Let’s face it, the Neocons wanted this war with Russia, just as they wanted war with Iraq."


On immigration:

The most crucial aspect of the immigration crisis is rarely discussed: Why are so many people so desperate in the first place to leave their homes and countries behind for an uncertain future? The answer is uncomfortable. In large part, it is U.S. policies that create desperate conditions south of the border. The War on Drugs is one. U.S.-funded dictators, juntas, paramilitaries, and death squads. Neoliberal extraction of resources. Unpayable debts. It is inhumane and hypocritical to deny immigration while creating the conditions that drive immigration.

Is it possible to be pro-immigration AND pro closing the border? Yes. America should be a haven of freedom and prosperity, open to law-abiding migrants who will contribute to our society. However, immigration must proceed in an orderly, lawful manner. Right now we have chaos at the border. Human trafficking, criminality, intolerable stress on border states like Texas. It is a humanitarian nightmare.


on cash (the world, and the US, are moving towards a cashless society - a Fed Gov't agency, Rocky Mtn NP, just announced they will no longer accept their own currency):

Some advocate tight control of cryptocurrencies to prevent their use by criminals. But it isn’t just criminals who want privacy. So do dissidents and ordinary citizens. Governments harass their enemies and crush dissent by controlling bank accounts and payment platforms. Until we restore trust in government (a distant prospect) we need cash and crypto to ensure freedom.


on free speech:

Instead of championing free speech, the U.S. actively persecutes journalists and whistleblowers. I’ll pardon brave truth-tellers like Julian Assange and investigate the corruption and crimes they exposed. This isn’t the Soviet Union. The America I love doesn’t imprison dissidents.

Bruce Pearl and Jonathan Turley weighed in on ABC censorship:
https://twitter.com/coachbrucepearl/status/1653001622790844417


https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr

Love to see an RFK vs. DeSantis or Ramaswamy showdown. Either way it's a win. :)

[Strange Brew]

Only in clown world is restraining a guy making violent threats a problem. We live in clown world.

Yup.

[bjf123]

Love to see an RFK vs. DeSantis or Ramaswamy showdown. Either way it's a win. :)

Yes, please!


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[GoMuskies]

I want to win the lottery since we're talking about things that will never, ever happen.

[Strange Brew]

I want to win the lottery since we're talking about things that will never, ever happen.

Haha, fair point however if you believe it won't happen, it won't. If you believe it will....it may. :)

[Masterofreality]

Love to see an RFK vs. DeSantis or Ramaswamy showdown. Either way it's a win. :)

100!

[GoMuskies]

Haha, fair point however if you believe it won't happen, it won't. If you believe it will....it may. :)

I am certainly willing to expend my primary vote in support of this happening!

[XU_Lou]

Former CIA intelligence officer Larry Johnson says the decision to launch a drone attack on the Kremlin was made by the United States.

The Wednesday attack, which was likely to have been targeting Russian President Vladimir Putin, was stopped by electronic warfare systems which disabled the drones before they could reach their target.

According to Johnson, the attack must have been spearheaded by the Biden administration and the US military-industrial complex because “decisions on such attacks are made not in Kiev, but in Washington.”



to which RFK responded to this attack the other day (and I whole heartedly agree):

“Imagine how we would respond if Russian-backed forces launched a drone strike on the Capitol. We must stop these deranged attempts to escalate the war.”


He also tweeted this today:

"In 1960, the USSR accused the U.S. of running an aerial spying program over its territory. Our government denied it to the American people, only admitting it when confronted with the captured U-2 pilot Gary Powers. Americans were genuinely shocked that their government would lie to them. Today the lying has become so routine that people are no longer shocked. There can be no true democracy when government manipulates the people with spin, hype, propaganda, phony “leaks,” and outright lies. I will establish honesty and transparency once again to earn back the trust of the American people. #Kennedy24"

[noteggs]

Their Peers? In DC? :)

Not sure you understand the meaning of the word "peer" and remember you're the one that brought this up.

Edit: I'll help in context.

noun
a group of people of approximately the same age, status, and interests.
"prodigies should spend as much time as possible with their peer group"

Maybe they found the only 12-15 republicans in DC? :)

[Strange Brew]

Maybe they found the only 12-15 republicans in DC? :)

Nah, I'm sure the Congressional Republicans found a way to get out of jury duty. :)

[paulxu]

You guys may be right. There were regular law-abiding citizens on the jury...not insurrectionists.

[Strange Brew]

You guys may be right. There were regular law-abiding citizens on the jury...not insurrectionists.

That's not what they were charged with. You really do struggle with the meaning of words Paul.

I'm sure the jury pool looked nothing like the mob who went after the witch in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

How do you know she's a witch? She looks like one! :)

[STL_XUfan]

That's not what they were charged with. You really do struggle with the meaning of words Paul.


Here is what they were convicted of:
18 U.S. Code § 2384: Seditious Conspiracy-
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

But by all means feel free to nitpick the use of the word insurrection.

[Strange Brew]

Here is what they were convicted of:
18 U.S. Code § 2384: Seditious Conspiracy-
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

But by all means feel free to nitpick the use of the word insurrection.

I'm aware. Thank you.

There is an Insurrection Act in place.

[Strange Brew]

Hey, good news! The WHO (not the talented band) officially ended the COVID-19 pandemic.

Thank goodness, I was getting worried.

[paulxu]

Maximum jail time for the rarely charged "insurrection"...10 years.
Maximum jail time for the charged, and convicted of seditious conspiracy Proud Boys...20 years.

I'll take door number 2 Bob while these guys nitpick away.

[Strange Brew]

Maximum jail time for the rarely charged "insurrection"...10 years.
Maximum jail time for the charged, and convicted of seditious conspiracy Proud Boys...20 years.

I'll take door number 2 Bob while these guys nitpick away.

That's nice. Wonder when they'll get around to charging those who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearings.

Side note. Really looking forward to the hot mess at the border next week. I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Trump and Republicans for that as well.

[Masterofreality]

That's nice. Wonder when they'll get around to charging those who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearings.

Side note. Really looking forward to the hot mess at the border next week. I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Trump and Republicans for that as well.

It’s pretty interesting that the Feds had to dig so deep to an almost never used charge to try to convict citizens, had to make sure the venue was in a safe favorable jury pool area and go after these people after allowing chaos, riots and severe harassment of the public to occur in the summer of 2020.
Also interesting that they all of a sudden decided to act like laws were inviolate here in an area where the Democratic Mayor actually had “Defund the Police” painted on a city street then Defunding really did occur.
No wonder citizen faith in the Federal Enforcement Agencies is at an all time low.
The country sees what is going on, and doesn’t like it.

https://apnews.com/article/what-does-sedition-charge-mean-3aa820dda5f501dd874c4dd6d60ca1ce

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/communities-wont-be-safe-until-defund-the-police-reforms-are-fully-repealed-and-renounced

https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/3671392-nearly-half-of-the-country-now-has-serious-doubts-about-the-fbi-heres-why/

[XU_Lou]

This devastating in The Hill link (actually, the entire story is devastating):

"almost half the country now lacks trust in the FBI over concerns it is doing the bidding of one political party over another. That is a disaster for the bureau — unprecedented in magnitude — and could translate into an existential threat to one of the nation’s most important agencies as political fault lines shift."

Then add-on the MAJOR scandal of the 51 intel officials that signed the so-called "Hunter Biden laptop ‘disinfo’ letter", when they knew with 100% certainty that the computer was indeed Hunter's - and the implications it had for exposing Joe's influence-peddling crimes and his exposure to international bribery.

This is 100% proof of deep state meddling in the 2020 election. And this comes after the completely made-up Russian collusion crap.

And we're supposed to believe Joe Biden got the most votes in the history of the republic - after going thru a primary process where virtually no one showed up at his rallies, and where he was propped-up in SC.... yeah, right...

[Muskie in dayton]

The creation of fake news:
Ron DeSantis Bill Against Chinese Citizens in Florida Sparks Outrage (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ron-desantis-bill-against-chinese-citizens-in-florida-sparks-outrage/ar-AA1aNuw2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a8363ced1c524c679e92a0574d7e0471&ei=215)

The headline is a tip-off that it's a hit piece, not a legitimate news story. For the morons here, I'll explain: Ron DeSantis is a governor, which is part of the Executive branch of government. The Executive branch does not create Bills. That is the duty of the Legislative branch. So no, this is not Desantis' bill.

Of course, the general public is too stupid to realize that, and Democrats just want to find reasons to hate him, so their pursuit of the truth ends there. Good job fake Newsweek! Now for those few actually willing to read the story, it does discretely mention that it is not actually Desantis' Bill. The story then goes on to explain that the Bill will prohibit "Chinese Citizens" from owning land in Florida. The term is used intentionally to make the reader believe he's trying to prevent actual U.S. citizens of Chinese ancestry from owning land. The outrage! He's a racist!

Then if one reads far enough, it then states that Chinese US Citizens or those with permanent residence are excluded, and the bill is intended to prevent the CCP from buying up property the way they have been doing across the U.S., including by military bases.

An accurate headline would have been, "DeSantis supports Bill preventing CCP from buying Florida Land". But propaganda is more important than accuracy.

For everything you see or hear from the MSM, start with the position that it's fake, and go from there.

[Muskie in dayton]

That's nice. Wonder when they'll get around to charging those who interrupted the Kavanaugh hearings.
Or those who tried to breach the White House during the 2020 Summer of Love riots.

When they get 20 years, I won't complain about Proud Boys sentencing. Until then, STFU Paul.

[paulxu]

Today’s job numbers came in higher than expected, with the U.S. adding 253,000 nonfarm jobs in April. Unemployment fell yet again, to 3.4%, matching a rate not seen since 1969. Black unemployment is at an all-time low of 4.7%. For Hispanics it’s 4.4%, and for Asian Americans, 2.8%. The rate for adult women is 3.1%. Average hourly wages rose 0.5%.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-5-2023

[paulxu]

Or those who tried to breach the White House during the 2020 Summer of Love riots.

When they get 20 years, I won't complain about Proud Boys sentencing. Until then, STFU Paul.

Wow. Sounds like you may have missed out on the refunds, or someone wouldn't let you in the Proud Boys. Sorry.

[Strange Brew]

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-5-2023

Yeah, sure feels like it….:)

I think they stopped counting those who stopped looking for work like during the Obama years. And they are likely counting people with two jobs as job growth.

Nice try however no one in the real world is buying it.

[paulxu]

Got it. Those same reporting agencies were spot on reporting numbers during the last administration, and they were "trumpeted" as great accomplishments.

Now, all of a sudden, the numbers coming from those same reporting agencies are done differently?

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds? Does it even penetrate?

[bobbiemcgee]

Debt ceiling passed easily under trump after he added 7 trillion. Guess we are headed for a meltdown.

[Strange Brew]

Got it. Those same reporting agencies were spot on reporting numbers during the last administration, and they were "trumpeted" as great accomplishments.

Now, all of a sudden, the numbers coming from those same reporting agencies are done differently?

Do you know how ludicrous that sounds? Does it even penetrate?

No Paul, inflation, high interest rates and energy costs are the structural problems making these numbers to be taken with a block of salt.

At best the numbers are back to the Trump years however now we have major structural economic problems.

[XU_Lou]

Labor Force Participation Rate still hasn't caught up to Trump - and look at what Obama's policies did to this stat - he absolutely devastated the economy:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART

Take a look what he did to GDP growth - 1st chart - it still hasn't recovered to this day:

https://scottgrannis.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-economy-continues-to-grow-and.html

[paulxu]

The best labor participation rate is under Clinton. Nice.

[XU_Lou]

The best labor participation rate GROWTH is under Reagan. Even Nicer....

[Muskie in dayton]

Wow. Sounds like you may have missed out on the refunds, or someone wouldn't let you in the Proud Boys. Sorry.
So you were burning property in DC in June 2020. You’d be best off to take my advice.

[Smails]

No Paul, inflation, high interest rates and energy costs are the structural problems making these numbers to be taken with a block of salt.

At best the numbers are back to the Trump years however now we have major structural economic problems.

Stop it, just stop it with the logic. No place for that here.

[xuphan]

Stop it, just stop it with the logic. No place for that here.

Logic? On this thread? Have a laugh!

[MADXSTER]

If everyone is back to work, then why do we still have a supply distribution problem?

[X-band '01]

I will go out on a limb and guess a number of ports (i.e. Oakland, LA, New York) have a shit ton of cargo just sitting gathering dust. Still not enough people to get things from Point A to Point B.

[paulxu]

I think it cleared up in LA last fall. Not sure about the others.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/southern-californias-container-ship-backup-ends-11669162514

[paulxu]

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
·
Oct 28, 2015
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA http://blog.chron.com/

He must be happy now. Texas leads the nation in gun deaths.

[Strange Brew]

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
·
Oct 28, 2015
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA http://blog.chron.com/

He must be happy now. Texas leads the nation in gun deaths.

Man, wish the Gov. hadn’t said that as none of these gun deaths would’ve happened. Paul, you’ve convinced me with this brilliant and completely logical comment.

[xuphan]

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
·
Oct 28, 2015
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA http://blog.chron.com/

He must be happy now. Texas leads the nation in gun deaths.

Gotta love the @NRA at the end of the tweet.

[Smails]

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
·
Oct 28, 2015
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA http://blog.chron.com/

He must be happy now. Texas leads the nation in gun deaths.

Why would he be happy? What an incredibly stupid thing to say

[xubrew]

Greg Abbott
@GregAbbott_TX
·
Oct 28, 2015
I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA http://blog.chron.com/

He must be happy now. Texas leads the nation in gun deaths.

Yeah, that's really not the best look. Other things have aged better.

[paulxu]

Why would he be happy? What an incredibly stupid thing to say

He was "embarassed" by being number 2 behind California. He assumedly is happy now that Texas leads the nation in gun purchases, even though there are 10 million more people in California.

https://www.security.org/resources/gun-ownership-statistics/

Meanwhile, California leads the nation in gun safety.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/02/fact-sheet-californias-gun-safety-policies-save-lives-provide-model-for-a-nation-seeking-solutions/

[Strange Brew]

He was "embarassed" by being number 2 behind California. He assumedly is happy now that Texas leads the nation in gun purchases, even though there are 10 million more people in California.

https://www.security.org/resources/gun-ownership-statistics/

Meanwhile, California leads the nation in gun safety.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/02/fact-sheet-californias-gun-safety-policies-save-lives-provide-model-for-a-nation-seeking-solutions/

Using CA.gov stats.

I see you’re back to guns as Weds looms.

[MADXSTER]

Has anyone heard anymore about the Epstein list? Seems like that story got ghosted.

[Smails]

He was "embarassed" by being number 2 behind California. He assumedly is happy now that Texas leads the nation in gun purchases, even though there are 10 million more people in California.

https://www.security.org/resources/gun-ownership-statistics/

Meanwhile, California leads the nation in gun safety.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2022/06/02/fact-sheet-californias-gun-safety-policies-save-lives-provide-model-for-a-nation-seeking-solutions/

Nice try, but you specifically mentioned gun deaths when you said he must be happy. If you're going to say something as distasteful as you did, it's not a good look to try to deflect and double down. The day after a mass shooting you say the Gov of Texas must be happy? Solid look there, Paul.

[xubrew]

Nice try, but you specifically mentioned gun deaths when you said he must be happy. If you're going to say something as distasteful as you did, it's not a good look to try to deflect and double down. The day after a mass shooting you say the Gov of Texas must be happy? Solid look there, Paul.

Okay, getting back to what I think was pretty clearly Paul's point...

Since encouraging Texas to purchase more guns than anyone else so they can become the #1 state in gun ownership, they have now become the #1 state in gun deaths. How about addressing that??

"Hope you're happy" is an often-used figure of speech after self inflicted consequence. If someone is supportive or insistent of doing things a certain way and then things predictively go incredibly wrong, you'll often hear someone say "Hope they're happy." You don't have to agree with his point, but it's not as if he didn't clearly make it. Can you at least address what his point actually was??

[paulxu]

This guy in Allen apparently was into Nazi stuff in a big way. (assuming this is all about him, which it appears to be from the hand tattoo.)

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1655629160956538896

[xubrew]

What the??….

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1655748166539440130?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

We are just a lot shittier than we used to be. At least when it comes to guns. I guess this jackoff is going to try to argue that he felt so threatened by children whose shadows he saw that he felt compelled to start shooting at them as they were RUNNING AWAY!! Yeah, that’s a totally normal and rational response.

So, can we at least start to work toward making it illegal for someone to ever own guns again after they do something like this?? It seems like that should be something we can all agree on. We may not agree on exactly where the line should be when it comes to gun control, but I think we can all agree which side of the line assholes like this are on. And the assholes who shoot at people who ring their doorbell by mistake. And the assholes who shoot at 6 year old children whose ball rolls into their yard. And assholes who shoot at someone who is turning around in their driveway. And assholes who shoot at their neighbors who ask them to be quiet.

You do something like this…..NO MORE GUNS FOR YOU!!! EVER!! Can we AT LEAST agree on that???

[Strange Brew]

What the??….

https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1655748166539440130?s=46&t=i-Iw-n6GFGm9k6sJcfsiaQ

We are just a lot shittier than we used to be. At least when it comes to guns. I guess this jackoff is going to try to argue that he felt so threatened by children whose shadows he saw that he felt compelled to start shooting at them as they were RUNNING AWAY!! Yeah, that’s a totally normal and rational response.

So, can we at least start to work toward making it illegal for someone to ever own guns again after they do something like this?? It seems like that should be something we can all agree on. We may not agree on exactly where the line should be when it comes to gun control, but I think we can all agree which side of the line assholes like this are on. And the assholes who shoot at people who ring their doorbell by mistake. And the assholes who shoot at 6 year old children whose ball rolls into their yard. And assholes who shoot at someone who is turning around in their driveway. And assholes who shoot at their neighbors who ask them to be quiet.

You do something like this…..NO MORE GUNS FOR YOU!!! EVER!! Can we AT LEAST agree on that???

A Hispanic white supremicist? I’ve seen it all now.

As someone stated earlier, we’re in clown world.

Speaking of comedians, Chapelle had a show in which its first episode described what we’re seeing.

Paul, you’re old enough to know better and Brew, I hope you’re younger than me….

[xubrew]

A Hispanic white supremicist? I’ve seen it all now.

As someone stated earlier, we’re in clown world.

Speaking of comedians, Chapelle had a show in which its first episode described what we’re seeing.

Paul, you’re old enough to know better and Brew, I hope you’re younger than me….

Okay, I'm completely missing what it is that you're talking about.

Like, I don't see how one word of what you said has anything at all to do with the post you quoted.

A man started shooting at kids who were playing hide and seek as they were running away from his house. This is the latest in a recent string of incidents where someone decided to use lethal force with a gun when it was absolutely ridiculous to do so. He reacted to a rather normal every day occurrence where he wasn't in any danger at all by shooting at someone. That's it. That's the issue.

A Hispanic white supremest?? Dave Chapelle?? What is that even referencing???

[STL_XUfan]

Okay, I'm completely missing what it is that you're talking about.

Like, I don't see how one word of what you said has anything at all to do with the post you quoted.

A man started shooting at kids who were playing hide and seek as they were running away from his house. This is the latest in a recent string of incidents where someone decided to use lethal force with a gun when it was absolutely ridiculous to do so. He reacted to a rather normal every day occurrence where he wasn't in any danger at all by shooting at someone. That's it. That's the issue.

A Hispanic white supremest?? Dave Chapelle?? What is that even referencing???

He was confusing which senseless gun crime you were referring to. To be fair, it is easy to do with how many there are.

[Strange Brew]

A Hispanic white supremicist? I’ve seen it all now.

As someone stated earlier, we’re in clown world.

Speaking of comedians, Chapelle had a show in which its first episode described what we’re seeing.

Paul, you’re old enough to know better and Brew, I hope you’re younger than me….

Sorry, that was in response to Paul’s comment. I’m tired of the shootings as well and I’m tired of people pointing fingers for political reasons when these things happen.

[Smails]

Can you at least address what his point actually was??

His point was another slow-witted political jab, capitalizing on a tragedy to further his conservatives bad, liberals good mantra. No real solution ideas, no empathy for the victims..nothing. Want to point to a tweet that's 8 years old in some sort of sophomoric blame game? That's fine..but that type of thinking is exactly why nothing gets done in our current political landscape.

[xubrew]

Sorry, that was in response to Paul’s comment. I’m tired of the shootings as well and I’m tired of people pointing fingers for political reasons when these things happen.

Well...me too, and me too.

The challenge is how to stop, or at least lower, the number of shootings. That's not an easy thing to do. I think this country used to be able to do hard things, but I'm not sure if we have that ability anymore. If it's not an easy fix that's also backed by a political agenda, then no one will even consider it. If it is an easy fix that's backed by a political agenda, then half the people will be all for it even if it won't actually fix a damn thing.

I'm tired too.

[paulxu]

He set Kushner up with a job that netted 2 billion from the Saudi’s He should tell him to cough up the 5 million.

[noteggs]

He set Kushner up with a job that netted 2 billion from the Saudi’s He should tell him to cough up the 5 million.

I like you Paul, but this is why some people have trouble with your posts. Netted?

[paulxu]

Jared Kushner’s new private equity firm got $2 billion from Saudi Arabia because maybe that’s how you can cash in when your investing experience is slender but your father-in-law may wind up back in the White House. It’s also possible that you can get billions for a firm with no track record because the White House did favors for the Saudis when your father-in-law still occupied the Oval Office

Sorry, should have said "cash in." With "a firm with no track record" I guess it was more akin to a NIL deal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-04-11/how-did-jared-kushner-get-2-billion-from-the-saudis#xj4y7vzkg

[Masterofreality]

The fact that George Santos, AOC, John Fetterman and, yes, Biden and Trump can get nominated and elected is the result of an uneducated and an electorate unable to critical think- making them tribal- that results from the US Horrible public school curriculum that has been ruined by Democrats and Democrat supported Teachers Unions with Biden Acolyte Randi Weingarten as leader. The US reading, math and science scores are lousy and falling further fast despite boatloads of money being thrown at them.

There, I said it.

[xuphan]

The fact that George Santos, AOC, John Fetterman and, yes, Biden and Trump can get nominated and elected is the result of an uneducated and an electorate unable to critical think- making them tribal- that results from the US Horrible public school curriculum that has been ruined by Democrats and Democrat supported Teachers Unions with Biden Acolyte Randi Weingarten as leader. The US reading, math and science scores are lousy and falling further fast despite boatloads of money being thrown at them.

There, I said it.

Is it though? How do these uneducated unable to critically think people fund these political campaigns to allow these people to get elected? By the time is comes to elections, you typically have two lousy choices funded by special interests and in some areas which are heavy red or blue states, one choice. The US Horrible public school curriculum is an interesting take. I take it you are talking about common core? I agree, terrible curriculum. Interesting though that the state of Ohio after receiving backlash about common core altered the name but kept most of the common core standards. The public believes itÂ’s not common core but essentially it is common core with a different name. The US is falling further and further behind in education based on parental involvement, discipline and what these kids are exposed to when they go home. Take the best ranked school in the state and the worst ranked school in the state. I bet the best ranked comes from a weather suburban area where parent are actually involved in their childÂ’s education. I also bet the worst ranked school is inner city or extremely rural areas whose children deal with hunger, drugs, violence, abuse, lack of parental involvement, no discipline and really no motivation to improve their lives. If you want to argue that Democrats have made this worse I can get behind that. To blame public schools because kids who have no motivation to learn, and go home to all sorts of trama arenÂ’t making the grade? Seems like a political statement and not addressing the root cause of the issue.

[Masterofreality]

I’m referring to the general electorate. There will always be nefarious characters in the background funding “ their guy” but now the electorate is too stupid to critical think to separate the wheat from the chaff in the primaries.
And I’m not criticizing the teachers, I have two PS teachers in my family. It’s the bloated admin staff and the woke college people in Teachers Union and Dem government power that has infused the curriculum with trash. Every major City and School Board in THOSE Cities have been Democrat run for decades. You see the result. Finally *some parents are pushing back.

[xuphan]

I’m referring to the general electorate. There will always be nefarious characters in the background funding “ their guy” but now the electorate is too stupid to critical think to separate the wheat from the chaff in the primaries.
And I’m not criticizing the teachers, I have two PS teachers in my family. It’s the bloated admin staff and the woke college people in Teachers Union and Dem government power that has infused the curriculum with trash. Every major City and School Board in THOSE Cities have been Democrat run for decades. You see the result. Finally *some parents are pushing back.

We typically do not agree but I 100% agree with what you are saying.

[STL_XUfan]

I am becoming more convinced that we are going to discover that George Santos is an actor doing a Nathan Fielder-esque reality show. Watching how gleefully he was answering questions at this press conference after posting bail was just weird.

If he is truly the chaos agent that he appears to be, I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring a motion to vacate Speaker McCarthy just to watch the place burn.

[paulxu]

Speaking of public school performance, 9 of the 10 worst states in the country in education are controlled by Republican legislature, with state departments of education. They all rank at the bottom in PreK-12 scores, critical in development. If Republicans in those states were serious about educational outcomes, they have the power to change it instead of looking for scapegoats. It is certainly true that the administration costs in the school have become bloated, but I'm not sure any teachers unions are the reason for high salaries and duplication in the administrative positions. For the most part we woefully underpay our teachers...which may be part of the problem scores are bad.
Teachers in China earn 44% more than the GDP per capita.
Teacher in the US earn 14% less than the GDP per capita.

Sadly South Carolina is among the 10.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

[Strange Brew]

Speaking of public school performance, 9 of the 10 worst states in the country in education are controlled by Republican legislature, with state departments of education. They all rank at the bottom in PreK-12 scores, critical in development. If Republicans in those states were serious about educational outcomes, they have the power to change it instead of looking for scapegoats. It is certainly true that the administration costs in the school have become bloated, but I'm not sure any teachers unions are the reason for high salaries and duplication in the administrative positions. For the most part we woefully underpay our teachers...which may be part of the problem scores are bad.
Teachers in China earn 44% more than the GDP per capita.
Teacher in the US earn 14% less than the GDP per capita.

Sadly South Carolina is among the 10.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

Maybe they’ll enact school choice.

[xuphan]

Maybe they’ll enact school choice.

Are you saying those states don’t already have school choice such as open enrollment and online school options?

[Strange Brew]

Are you saying those states don’t already have school choice such as open enrollment and online school options?

Not sure if they have that. I’m talking about taking your tax dollars to any school you wish.

[X-band '01]

I am becoming more convinced that we are going to discover that George Santos is an actor doing a Nathan Fielder-esque reality show. Watching how gleefully he was answering questions at this press conference after posting bail was just weird.

If he is truly the chaos agent that he appears to be, I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring a motion to vacate Speaker McCarthy just to watch the place burn.

Either that or he'll just move to a place like Florida or Texas and run again as Anthony Devolder (or whatever nom de plume he likes).

[xuphan]

Not sure if they have that. I’m talking about taking your tax dollars to any school you wish.

So you are talking about the school voucher system? I am all for school choice but at the end of the day I do not see how that will help raise student achievement within the state worth mentioning. Totally get parents wanting to go to a school that will best help their child succeed. However, this doesn’t not address in my opinion the root cause of poor student achievement which has to do with lack of parental involvement, no discipline, lack of motivation, lack of food, drugs, abuse, violence, and other mental health problems. Going to a new school isn’t going to help these students who deal with these issues on a regular basis. However, it may help other students who don’t have these issues whose education is disrupted constantly by students who have these issues.

[paulxu]

When charter schools are run for-profit, to the extent that a company goes public on the stock exchange, perhaps we should focus on the public school system and make it better for all.

https://therealdealpress.com/2.0/index.php/education/278-for-profit-charter-schools-are-ripping-off-massive-amounts-of-your-tax-dollars-new-report

[Masterofreality]

When charter schools are run for-profit, to the extent that a company goes public on the stock exchange, perhaps we should focus on the public school system and make it better for all.

https://therealdealpress.com/2.0/index.php/education/278-for-profit-charter-schools-are-ripping-off-massive-amounts-of-your-tax-dollars-new-report

Perhaps the US should abolish the Department of Education and take that wasted rip off money to enhance the schools?

[Strange Brew]

When charter schools are run for-profit, to the extent that a company goes public on the stock exchange, perhaps we should focus on the public school system and make it better for all.

https://therealdealpress.com/2.0/index.php/education/278-for-profit-charter-schools-are-ripping-off-massive-amounts-of-your-tax-dollars-new-report

Oh no, someone might make a profit instead of the Teacher’s Unions and their preferred candidates.

[Masterofreality]

Speaking of public school performance, 9 of the 10 worst states in the country in education are controlled by Republican legislature, with state departments of education. They all rank at the bottom in PreK-12 scores, critical in development. If Republicans in those states were serious about educational outcomes, they have the power to change it instead of looking for scapegoats. It is certainly true that the administration costs in the school have become bloated, but I'm not sure any teachers unions are the reason for high salaries and duplication in the administrative positions. For the most part we woefully underpay our teachers...which may be part of the problem scores are bad.
Teachers in China earn 44% more than the GDP per capita.
Teacher in the US earn 14% less than the GDP per capita.

Sadly South Carolina is among the 10.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

Actually, 3 of the worst 10 States have Democrat Governors- New Mexico, Kentucky and Louisiana.
Know what else? The LARGEST CITIES and SCHOOL DISTRICTS in those 10 States are, except for Tulsa & Oklahoma City, OK, controlled by DEMOCRATIC MAYORS and SCHOOL BOARDS, which have terrible records. It’s kinda hard for Monroeville and Andalusia Alabama to overcome lousy performance in Birmingham.
To wit:
Houston& Dallas TX-Dem Mayors, Dem School Boards
Albuquerque, NM- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board. (Dem Gov)
Louisville, KY- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board (Dem Gov)
Las Vegas NV- Dem ( turned to Independent) Mayor, Dem School Board
Tulsa, OK/OK City, OK. Repub Mayors, Repub School Boards
Birmingham AL- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board
Little Rock AR- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board
New Orleans, LA-Dem Mayor, Dem School Board (Dem Gov)
Jackson MS-Dem Mayor Dem School Board
Charleston, WV- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board.

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-announces-takeover-houstons-school-district-sparking-concerns/story?id=97906502

[XU_Lou]

Actually, 3 of the worst 10 States have Democrat Governors- New Mexico, Kentucky and Louisiana.
Know what else? The LARGEST CITIES and SCHOOL DISTRICTS in those 10 States are, except for Tulsa & Oklahoma City, OK, controlled by DEMOCRATIC MAYORS and SCHOOL BOARDS, which have terrible records. It’s kinda hard for Monroeville and Andalusia Alabama to overcome lousy performance in Birmingham.
To wit:
Houston& Dallas TX-Dem Mayors, Dem School Boards
Albuquerque, NM- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board. (Dem Gov)
Louisville, KY- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board (Dem Gov)
Las Vegas NV- Dem ( turned to Independent) Mayor, Dem School Board
Tulsa, OK/OK City, OK. Repub Mayors, Repub School Boards
Birmingham AL- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board
Little Rock AR- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board
New Orleans, LA-Dem Mayor, Dem School Board (Dem Gov)
Jackson MS-Dem Mayor Dem School Board
Charleston, WV- Dem Mayor, Dem School Board.

https://wallethub.com/edu/e/most-educated-states/31075

https://abcnews.go.com/US/texas-announces-takeover-houstons-school-district-sparking-concerns/story?id=97906502

I think he knows all this.

He's trying to deflect from the Biden Crime Family and the invasion at the southern border with meaningless "issues".

[paulxu]

I appreciate all that research into city governments...but it misses the point entirely.


The states are the entities primarily responsible for the maintenance and operation of public schools. The states are also heavily involved in the establishment, selection, and regulation of curriculum, teaching methods, and instructional materials in their schools. Consequently, each state has different standards and policies which may impact the quality of education offered.
https://www.findlaw.com/education/curriculum-standards-school-funding/the-roles-of-federal-and-state-governments-in-education.html

Once again, 9 of 10 of the lowest performing states are controlled in the legislature by Republicans; and most have all the state offices.
If they are so concerned about the quality of education in their state...do something. Try to stop finding scapegoats.

[Masterofreality]

I appreciate all that research into city governments...but it misses the point entirely.

https://www.findlaw.com/education/curriculum-standards-school-funding/the-roles-of-federal-and-state-governments-in-education.html

Once again, 9 of 10 of the lowest performing states are controlled in the legislature by Republicans; and most have all the state offices.
If they are so concerned about the quality of education in their state...do something. Try to stop finding scapegoats.

The scapegoats are the elected school boards, Bud. States don’t ordinarily insert themselves in there. Except in a case like Houston.
The electorate can change that.
Back to my point about the unable to critical think electorate. Just keep electing the same incompetence over and over.

[X-band '01]

I also seem to remember the new members of the State Board of Education elected last fall in Ohio had some more Democrat leanings in a non-partisan election. So naturally the Ohio legislature threw a tantrum and moved to take away a number of powers from the Board.

[XU_Lou]

Paul - your source, and/or its methodology, is totally bogus. To say Maryland has the 2nd best school system in the US is totally ludicrous.


"Nearly nine out of 10 Baltimore City public school students are not proficient in math, and about 80% of elementary schoolers weren't proficient in English, according to a recent Maryland State Department of Education report. Meanwhile, the school system has one of the largest budgets in the country."

"In the Baltimore City Public Schools, the four-year high school graduation rate is 69%, the lowest in the state. In addition to the low district-wide proficiency, 23 schools reported zero students proficient in math.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/baltimores-failing-school-system-making-school-choice-only-hope-students-education-activist-says

[Xville]

Gotta love Lou’s critical thinking thought process. Holy shit his iq must be 4. Rail on Paul’s findings about the state of Maryland and try to pick it apart by linking a bunch of stuff about one particular city in maryland to say “see you’re wrong.” There is an entire state outside of the city, lou. Maybe someone should show you a map.

Almost all inner city schools are terrible, and xuphan is absolutely correct in his assessment as to why.

[Masterofreality]

I also seem to remember the new members of the State Board of Education elected last fall in Ohio had some more Democrat leanings in a non-partisan election. So naturally the Ohio legislature threw a tantrum and moved to take away a number of powers from the Board.

Maybe because of a diminishing non-critical thinking electorate that didn’t realize that Ohio had a 21st ranking in “Quality of Education” in the chart I posted?
Educational Achievement was 36. Thanks Democratic “woke” School Boards in Cleveland and NE Ohio!!
Sometimes folks have to be saved from themselves.

[XU_Lou]

I'm glad to see our resident racist agrees with me that money doesn't equate to better educational outcomes, as Paul has tried to postulate. Of course I agree with Phan, and to suggest I don't is totally fabricated.

P.S.: singular doesn't equal plural....

[Masterofreality]

HAPPY END OF TITLE 42 Day!!

New York City is temporarily suspending some of the rules related to its longstanding guarantee of shelter to anyone who needs it as officials struggle to find housing for migrants arriving from the southern border. Sanctuary City, correct??

A reminder, NYC has a population of over 8M and is only dealing with a fraction of the migrants in border town that otherwise have populations of a few hundred thousand- like El Paso, Corpus Christi and Brownsville.

If proud sanctuary city NYC is struggling, how are those border towns supposed to manage this crisis?

Where is “Border Czar” Kamala when you need her??????

[Xville]

I'm glad to see our resident racist agrees with me that money doesn't equate to better educational outcomes, as Paul has tried to postulate. Of course I agree with Phan, and to suggest I don't is totally fabricated.
Le
P.S.: singular doesn't equal plural....

I wasn’t suggesting you didn’t agree. I was suggesting that your Baltimore response is ignorant and doesn’t equate just like most of your ramblings. Please explain how an inner city part of the school system has anything to do with the rest of the state’s performance especially when almost every states inner city performs the same. I’ll answer for you, it doesn’t. You trying to discredit anything Paul says is hysterical. Let the adults try and do that. Oh and please explain where you get your racist nonsense? You need help

[XU_Lou]

I can almost understand why Bob Huggins made those comments the other day. He's a redneck. He's a drunkard. And he absolutely hates Xavier.

What I don't understand is why a supposed graduate of Xavier would make racial slurs against our own guys. What in God’s name does the color of their skin have to do with any analysis of XAVIER guys? Absolutely, criticism of players is perfectly fine, but a supposed Xavier grad referring to their race as if that has anything to do with their performance on the court is 100% racist garbage.

More importantly, why is this crap tolerated on this board? Where is the pushback from other posters? Are you afraid of getting on his permanent shit list? Where are the mods? Is it because they’re “only” white guys, therefore it doesn't matter? Or, is it just Ville being Ville?

Hell, he's already making racial slurs against a guy who hasn't even suited up for Xavier yet:


Yeah I watched a game of his in high school and he just looked like a big white stiff and had no idea why he was rated highly. I don’t even see him as a depth move. I really don’t get it


I sincerely hope most of this is a complete joke. We already know Steele is. Figures though...steele loves him some unathletic white guys.


Ahh coach by numbers Steele....gotta get his unathletic white guy in.

What the fuck kinda of lineup is this...

Carter and kunkel have to have something on Steele. There is no way he’s this stupid


0 chance we see him in the 2nd half, it’s not in steeles coloring book. Gotta play his two unathletic all star white guys


Fire him. I’m beyond done with whatever stupid stubborn little man syndrome shit he has against kyky, and I’m sick of the love affair with white stiffs

And it goes beyond X guys:


Mostly disdain. They are duke to me without the titles. They always have some douchey white guy with a punchable face—-it’s been timme the last few years.

And it goes on and on and on. There are at least a dozen other examples of these types of remarks. This is beyond despicable.

[Xville]

I can almost understand why Bob Huggins made those comments the other day. He's a redneck. He's a drunkard. And he absolutely hates Xavier.

What I don't understand is why a supposed graduate of Xavier would make racial slurs against our own guys. What in God’s name does the color of their skin have to do with any analysis of XAVIER guys? Absolutely, criticism of players is perfectly fine, but a supposed Xavier grad referring to their race as if that has anything to do with their performance on the court is 100% racist garbage.

More importantly, why is this crap tolerated on this board? Where is the pushback from other posters? Are you afraid of getting on his permanent shit list? Where are the mods? Is it because they’re “only” white guys, therefore it doesn't matter? Or, is it just Ville being Ville?

Hell, he's already making racial slurs against a guy who hasn't even suited up for Xavier yet:











And it goes beyond X guys:



And it goes on and on and on. There are at least a dozen other examples of these types of remarks. This is beyond despicable.




Wow you are a psycho. So because I call them white, that’s a racial slur. You need help, and a new hobby. It’s alright though I’m sure you’ll be banned soon enough again. My question, why haven’t you been permanently banned? You have been banned what five or six times? Way to call out the mods who let you keep coming back to your only hobby in life. I do absolutely love the irony of saying I make racist comments while in the same post making a completely racist remark. You’re precious.


You want to get back on topic and explain how Baltimore inner city schools have to do with the entire school system in Maryland? Every time you get called out with facts, you resort to harassment and fake outrage. You’re one of the problems with society today.

[Strange Brew]

HAPPY END OF TITLE 42 Day!!

New York City is temporarily suspending some of the rules related to its longstanding guarantee of shelter to anyone who needs it as officials struggle to find housing for migrants arriving from the southern border. Sanctuary City, correct??

A reminder, NYC has a population of over 8M and is only dealing with a fraction of the migrants in border town that otherwise have populations of a few hundred thousand- like El Paso, Corpus Christi and Brownsville.

If proud sanctuary city NYC is struggling, how are those border towns supposed to manage this crisis?

Where is “Border Czar” Kamala when you need her??????

Local CBS news stated Denver is absorbing 400/day.

[xuwillie]

Local CBS news stated Denver is absorbing 400/day.
\

What a mess. We can't even take care of our own. Just wait what these big cities will look like in 5 years.

[xuphan]

\

What a mess. We can't even take care of our own. Just wait what these big cities will look like in 5 years.

The bigger mess is that we allow and encourage people to live dependent on the government. One lady in our town quit her job so she could be eligible for low income housing. Another had her seventh child and can’t afford to independently raise the other six without full government monetary support. We call it the lifecycle of poverty here. Born on government benefits, have the same government benefits throughout your life, have multiple children who are born on benefits and the life cycle continues. I totally get that there are people with significant health issues and disabilities that need government assistance and I totally support that. However, tax payers are paying a lot of money for people who are fully capable of working and supporting their choice of having multiple kids through money they receiving from work. Government assistance should only be a pick me up to get people back on their feet. It should not be a lifestyle.

[noteggs]

The bigger mess is that we allow and encourage people to live dependent on the government. One lady in our town quit her job so she could be eligible for low income housing. Another had her seventh child and can’t afford to independently raise the other six without full government monetary support. We call it the lifecycle of poverty here. Born on government benefits, have the same government benefits throughout your life, have multiple children who are born on benefits and the life cycle continues. I totally get that there are people with significant health issues and disabilities that need government assistance and I totally support that. However, tax payers are paying a lot of money for people who are fully capable of working and supporting their choice of having multiple kids through money they receiving from work. Government assistance should only be a pick me up to get people back on their feet. It should not be a lifestyle.

Yup like old saying goes, look for a hand up and not a hand out. Also, reminds me of “the life of Julia” ad.

[XU_Lou]

What Biden has done to the southern border is nothing less than treason:

Record-Setting 83,000 Migrants Illegally Crossed US Border This Week: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/record-setting-83000-migrants-illegally-crossed-us-border-week

U.S. officials admit losing ‘operational control’ of border, drug cartels poised to seize it: https://justthenews.com/government/security/us-officials-admit-they-lost-operational-control-border-and-drug-cartels-poised

Homeless vets are being booted from NY hotels to make room for migrants: https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/homeless-vets-are-being-booted-from-ny-hotels-to-make-room-for-migrants-advocates/

Denver Mayor Warns Illegal Surge Could Mean Cutting Services as More Than 250 Arrive Each Day: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/denver-mayor-warns-illegal-surge-could-mean-cutting-services/

Hotel set to take NYC migrants abruptly cancels 30 rooms soon-to-be newlyweds booked for their guests: https://nypost.com/2023/05/13/wedding-guests-scramble-after-hotel-taking-nyc-migrants-cancels-rooms/

[bjf123]

What Biden has done to the southern border is nothing less than treason:

Record-Setting 83,000 Migrants Illegally Crossed US Border This Week: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/record-setting-83000-migrants-illegally-crossed-us-border-week

U.S. officials admit losing ‘operational control’ of border, drug cartels poised to seize it: https://justthenews.com/government/security/us-officials-admit-they-lost-operational-control-border-and-drug-cartels-poised

Homeless vets are being booted from NY hotels to make room for migrants: https://nypost.com/2023/05/12/homeless-vets-are-being-booted-from-ny-hotels-to-make-room-for-migrants-advocates/

Denver Mayor Warns Illegal Surge Could Mean Cutting Services as More Than 250 Arrive Each Day: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/denver-mayor-warns-illegal-surge-could-mean-cutting-services/

Hotel set to take NYC migrants abruptly cancels 30 rooms soon-to-be newlyweds booked for their guests: https://nypost.com/2023/05/13/wedding-guests-scramble-after-hotel-taking-nyc-migrants-cancels-rooms/

And yet, I’ll bet the MSM, if they cover this at all, will somehow spin it to be Trump’s fault.


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[X-band '01]

I admit I thought I'd never say this, but Lou has inspired me to make a charitable donation to St. Vincent de Paul. In particular, the Migrant and Refugee Services division.

Happy Mother's Day!

[Strange Brew]

I admit I thought I'd never say this, but Lou has inspired me to make a charitable donation to St. Vincent de Paul. In particular, the Migrant and Refugee Services division.

Happy Mother's Day!

Good for you…
Did you get a free tote bag so everyone knows you care?

[Xville]

And yet, I’ll bet the MSM, if they cover this at all, will somehow spin it to be Trump’s fault.


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Why not? Lous “sources” act like the border is a new problem and solely caused by Biden. What’s the difference? It’s not just msm that spins shit, I’d hope everyone fully realizes that by now

[bobbiemcgee]

And yet, I’ll bet the MSM, if they cover this at all, will somehow spin it to be Trump’s fault.


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He said it all in a recent interview. Here is what you'll get:

. Return to the family separation policy.
. Can't stop lying about 2020.
. No regret for his role in 1/6 riot.
. Will pardon 1/6 rioters.
.Will not try to get back the more moderate independent voters that have caused his defeat in last 3 elections.
. Won't back Ukraine over Russia.
.Again criticized Pence for not overthrowing the gov't.
.Gave Carroll a shot at a new defamation suit.
.Repeated his "Access Hollywood" bullshit.
Same ol' tired rant.
Still love his policies?

[Strange Brew]

He said it all in a recent interview. Here is what you'll get:

. Return to the family separation policy.
. Can't stop lying about 2020.
. No regret for his role in 1/6 riot.
. Will pardon 1/6 rioters.
.Will not try to get back the more moderate independent voters that have caused his defeat in last 3 elections.
. Won't back Ukraine over Russia.
.Again criticized Pence for not overthrowing the gov't.
.Gave Carroll a shot at a new defamation suit.
.Repeated his "Access Hollywood" bullshit.
Same ol' tired rant.
Still love his policies?

His policies were great. Noticed you didn’t mention any of them in your tired rant.

[Strange Brew]

Why not? Lous “sources” act like the border is a new problem and solely caused by Biden. What’s the difference? It’s not just msm that spins shit, I’d hope everyone fully realizes that by now

So Biden’s policies made it better?

[bobbiemcgee]

His policies were great. Noticed you didn’t mention any of them in your tired rant.

Your usual reading comprehension problem. Try to get help.

[Strange Brew]

Your usual reading comprehension problem. Try to get help.

Oh, my bad. You don’t actually know any of Trump’s policies from when he was in office.

I’ll help on immigration:
Border security (with wall)
Title 42
Remain in Mexico

You also don’t seem to want to discuss Biden’s policies of hot garbage. I wouldn’t either if I were in your shoes. At least Biden isn’t arming the Cartels like Obama. That said, he did falsely accuse Border Patrol of whipping migrants.

[bobbiemcgee]

You forgot Family separation - having your babies ripped from your arms. Guess you're for that. Hope you don't have a family.What is your majority in the house doing about it? Nothing.

[XU_Lou]

He said it all in a recent interview. Here is what you'll get:

. Return to the family separation policy.
. Can't stop lying about 2020.
. No regret for his role in 1/6 riot.
. Will pardon 1/6 rioters.
.Will not try to get back the more moderate independent voters that have caused his defeat in last 3 elections.
. Won't back Ukraine over Russia.
.Again criticized Pence for not overthrowing the gov't.
.Gave Carroll a shot at a new defamation suit.
.Repeated his "Access Hollywood" bullshit.
Same ol' tired rant.
Still love his policies?

This is actually your response to "I’ll bet the MSM, if they cover this at all, will somehow spin it to be Trump’s fault.", which was clearly in reference to the southern border crisis?

After "Return to the family separation policy." - what does the rest of your "rant" have anything to do with anything?




You forgot Family separation - having your babies ripped from your arms. Guess you're for that.


This is so rich - by your own logic, then you must be for babies dying while in US custody thanks to Biden's policies:

Unaccompanied migrant child dies in U.S. custody, the second death in 2 months: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/unaccompanied-migrant-child-died-angel-eduardo-maradiaga-espinoza-us-custody-florida/

[Strange Brew]

You forgot Family separation - having your babies ripped from your arms. Guess you're for that. Hope you don't have a family.What is your majority in the house doing about it? Nothing.

That’s what happens any time an American breaks the law.

Edit: It’s not my majority. I’m not a Republican for the 100th time.

[XU_Lou]

Hey Bobbie - are you for all this as well?

At least 853 migrants died crossing the U.S.-Mexico border in past 12 months: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/migrant-deaths-crossing-us-mexico-border-2022-record-high/

The bodies of more than 890 migrants, a record number, were recovered by U.S. authorities along the border in the 2022 fiscal year: https://www.wsj.com/articles/illegal-immigration-mexico-us-border-deaths-c35cf892

For some women and girls, being raped is the price of the trip: https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-07/the-reality-of-migrant-women-en-route-to-the-united-states-raped-and-unable-to-access-a-hospital.html

According to Guillermo, there had been a recent uptick in reports from people who had been held up by armed assailants in the Darién and forced to remove all of their clothing for a manual inspection of bodily orifices, to ensure that nothing of value had been tucked away. Often, the women were then separated from the group and raped: https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/3/19/rape-as-a-weapon-in-the-war-on-asylum-seekers

A 5-year-old and a 3-year-old girl were found wandering the Texas desert on the U.S. border with Mexico. They’d both been raped: https://heartlandernews.com/2022/10/03/migrant-children-are-being-raped-and-left-in-the-desert-bodies-are-piling-up-and-drugs-are-killing-missouri-students-all-due-to-an-open-border/

Finally, do you know how many Americans have died from fentanyl that's coming over Biden's border?


Boy, Bobbie, you and Biden are real humanitarians!!!

[Xville]

So Biden’s policies made it better?

Who said that? I didn’t. Trump didn’t make it better, Biden hasn’t made it better. It’s been a problem for 50-60 years plus and it’s an extremely complicated issue. Blaming one admin for it is ridiculous. My point was that whether it’s msm or some bs blog that lou cites, it’s all spin bullshit

[Strange Brew]

Who said that? I didn’t. Trump didn’t make it better, Biden hasn’t made it better. It’s been a problem for 50-60 years plus and it’s an extremely complicated issue. Blaming one admin for it is ridiculous. My point was that whether it’s msm or some bs blog that lou cites, it’s all spin bullshit

The problem started with the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Reagan’s biggest regret. However, the good news is we learned to never trust Dems to follow thru on a deal.

[bobbiemcgee]

Did you forget Biden kept 42? Now it's up to Congress to act.

[XU_Lou]

Another day, another Democrat insurrection:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmqHr62uCVI&t=32s

[Strange Brew]

Did you forget Biden kept 42? Now it's up to Congress to act.

You forget Biden made 0 attempt to keep it in place. That’s on him.

They have. It’s on the Executive Branch to execute the laws.

Edit: Do me a favor and research the Cloward-Piven strategy. This is by design.

[xuphan]

He said it all in a recent interview. Here is what you'll get:

. Return to the family separation policy.
. Can't stop lying about 2020.
. No regret for his role in 1/6 riot.
. Will pardon 1/6 rioters.
.Will not try to get back the more moderate independent voters that have caused his defeat in last 3 elections.
. Won't back Ukraine over Russia.
.Again criticized Pence for not overthrowing the gov't.
.Gave Carroll a shot at a new defamation suit.
.Repeated his "Access Hollywood" bullshit.
Same ol' tired rant.
Still love his policies?

Didn’t Trump try to build a border wall to help address this mess and have Mexico pay for it? Seems like he has his hands tied by Congress and the Mexican government.

[Strange Brew]

Didn’t Trump try to build a border wall to help address this mess and have Mexico pay for it? Seems like he has his hands tied by Congress and the Mexican government.

There was a decent amount of wall built. Biden had it dismantled.

[bjf123]

That said, he did falsely accuse Border Patrol of whipping migrants.

An MSNBC contributor and White House correspondent from The Grio (never heard of it) brought up again how the Border Patrol whipped illegal immigrants a few years ago, so some in the media still like to demonize border security. I applaud DHS Secretary Mayorkas for correcting her. Even after he corrected her, she refused to accept it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dhs-secretary-corrects-reporter-who-claimed-border-patrol-agents-whipped-migrants/ar-AA1b4cA7


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[paulxu]

There was a decent amount of wall built. Biden had it dismantled.

Especially the part built by Bannon and his buddies. He got the pardon...they got the jail.

[Strange Brew]

Especially the part built by Bannon and his buddies. He got the pardon...they got the jail.

Well, what has Biden done on the border to mitigate the crisis? Nothing, he welcomes it.

His former boss’ lackey was famous for saying, “don’t ever let a crisis go to waste”.

[Strange Brew]

An MSNBC contributor and White House correspondent from The Grio (never heard of it) brought up again how the Border Patrol whipped illegal immigrants a few years ago, so some in the media still like to demonize border security. I applaud DHS Secretary Mayorkas for correcting her. Even after he corrected her, she refused to accept it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dhs-secretary-corrects-reporter-who-claimed-border-patrol-agents-whipped-migrants/ar-AA1b4cA7


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What’s this MSNBC you speak of?

[bobbiemcgee]

That’s what happens any time an American breaks the law.

Edit: It’s not my majority. I’m not a Republican for the 100th time.

Yeah, keep voting for ron paul. You love trump's "policies' but won't vote for him.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, keep voting for ron paul. You love trump's "policies' but won't vote for him.

Never voted for Ron but he had good ideas. Trump did what was needed to stem the tide.

Oh well whatever, nevermind Boomer.

[paulxu]

There was a decent amount of wall built. Biden had it dismantled.


After President Joe Biden signed an executive order Jan. 20 regarding the miles of border wall under construction during the Trump administration, some took to Facebook to claim — inaccurately — that Biden will tear down the wall.

A Facebook user by the name of Giggle Palooza posted Jan. 24, “Just seen where Biden signed an Executive Order to tear down the border wall. You all happy now?” Since it was published, the post has received more than 3,000 interactions and more than 2,900 comments, many pointing out that the post is false.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-joe-biden-executive-order-trump-border-wall-construction/4337994001/

Check back with Giggle Palooza if he was your source. There doesn't seem to be any credibility to claims Biden dismantled any of the wall.

[Strange Brew]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-joe-biden-executive-order-trump-border-wall-construction/4337994001/

Check back with Giggle Palooza if he was your source. There doesn't seem to be any credibility to claims Biden dismantled any of the wall.

Oh Meta and USA Today (the paper so important it’s outside my hotel rooms for free when I travel)?

Google was cool until it wasn’t.

Edit: If it’s free it’s pamphlet propaganda.

You’re going to be gone and the rest of us are going to have to fix this. You all talked about peace however delivered endless wars.

[xuphan]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-joe-biden-executive-order-trump-border-wall-construction/4337994001/

Check back with Giggle Palooza if he was your source. There doesn't seem to be any credibility to claims Biden dismantled any of the wall.

Wait! Are we saying someone with the name or username of Giggle Palooza posted on social media claiming Biden was dismantling the southern wall and thousands of people believed it and ran with it without questioning the name of this person or identifying multiple sources to verify this claim. Did I read that right?

[bobbiemcgee]

There was a decent amount of wall built. Biden had it dismantled.

Total bs. Where do you get news - Bannon?

[Strange Brew]

Total bs. Where do you get news - Bannon?

On the ground. You?

Nice attempt at source attack. Alinsky would be proud of you.

You like apples Bobbie?

Remind me. How many Summers did you spend at Quantico? :)

[XU_Lou]

Here's your tax dollars hard at work: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1657762895911088128

So, let me see if I've got this straight: Biden slows oil and gas production down in the US - thus curtailing supply - which allows prices to rise - which in-turn allows Russia to sell their oil at a much higher price on the world market - thus allowing them to continue the war in Ukraine, and match munition power with the US/NATO. Meanwhile, the country of Ukraine gets shredded, and the Ukrainian people lose their lives and livelihoods.

Question: if Biden really wanted to WIN the war, wouldn't the first and obvious strategy be to flood the market with oil and gas? Or, is he just grifting off the American tax payer just like the other warmongers in DC (Pelosi's, McConnell's, Clinton's, Bolton, Kamala, Lindsey Graham, etc., etc...) (oh, and don't forget to add Zelensky to that list) Maybe, just maybe, these vultures love this stalemate.

Keep waving those Ukrainian flags!!

[xuphan]

Here's your tax dollars hard at work: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1657762895911088128

So, let me see if I've got this straight: Biden slows oil and gas production down in the US - thus curtailing supply - which allows prices to rise - which in-turn allows Russia to sell their oil at a much higher price on the world market - thus allowing them to continue the war in Ukraine, and match munition power with the US/NATO. Meanwhile, the country of Ukraine gets shredded, and the Ukrainian people lose their lives and livelihoods.

Question: if Biden really wanted to WIN the war, wouldn't the first and obvious strategy be to flood the market with oil and gas? Or, is he just grifting off the American tax payer just like the other warmongers in DC (Pelosi's, McConnell's, Clinton's, Bolton, Kamala, Lindsey Graham, etc., etc...) (oh, and don't forget to add Zelensky to that list) Maybe, just maybe, these vultures love this stalemate.

Keep waving those Ukrainian flags!!

If we are talking about wasting tax dollars, here is a report about some of the crazy things your tax dollars are paying for even though the federal government continues to put this country further and further into debt.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Festivus-23-clean-12.22-v2.pdf

[paulxu]

Oh Meta and USA Today (the paper so important it’s outside my hotel rooms for free when I travel)?

Google was cool until it wasn’t.

Edit: If it’s free it’s pamphlet propaganda.

You’re going to be gone and the rest of us are going to have to fix this. You all talked about peace however delivered endless wars.

Endless wars unfortunately seems to be the human condition, and no doubt my generation didn't help the matter.
However, if you are going to say something like Biden dismantled the wall, it should be factual. It doesn't appear to be.

[XU_Lou]

If we are talking about wasting tax dollars, here is a report about some of the crazy things your tax dollars are paying for even though the federal government continues to put this country further and further into debt.

https://www.paul.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Festivus-23-clean-12.22-v2.pdf

There is waste and corruption in every corner and level of our gov't. All these grifters (elected and unelected bureaucrats) need to go - many probably need to spend some time in jail.

[XU_Lou]

If walking into the Capitol on J6 was sedition?

If Russians spreading misinformation is meddling with our elections?

..then what the hell is this:

Ex-CIA chief admitted that the 'Dirty 51' letter 'WAS political' as agency conspired with Biden campaign to produce it and falsely claim emails on Hunter Biden's laptop were Russian disinformation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12085077/Ex-CIA-chief-admitted-Dirty-51-letter-political.html

[Strange Brew]

Endless wars unfortunately seems to be the human condition, and no doubt my generation didn't help the matter.
However, if you are going to say something like Biden dismantled the wall, it should be factual. It doesn't appear to be.

Well, it happened and Biden has made no effort to do anything about the border.

Human condition you say? Well, I guess there’s nothing to be done about it.

[paulxu]

Well, it happened and Biden has made no effort to do anything about the border.

Human condition you say? Well, I guess there’s nothing to be done about it.

Sure, there's a lot that can be done about that. And I think Biden's group is trying to do that by repairing damaged relations with other countries and addressing the large problems in a unified fashion, like trying to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat to the region.
Now, I know he stopped funding for the wall...but I would love to know if you had a source for he "dismantled" Trump's wall other than re-tweets from Giggle Palozza.

[Strange Brew]

Sure, there's a lot that can be done about that. And I think Biden's group is trying to do that by repairing damaged relations with other countries and addressing the large problems in a unified fashion, like trying to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear threat to the region.
Now, I know he stopped funding for the wall...but I would love to know if you had a source for he "dismantled" Trump's wall other than re-tweets from Giggle Palozza.

What damaged relations are you referring to? As Lou pointed out his policies allowed Russia to invade Ukraine. Just like his policies led them to take Crimea when he was VP.

On Iran. Hi, I’m the real world. They likely already have it. Maybe you should have Kerry windsurf over there again…

Maybe Biden can have the Chinese fly a balloon over the mts in Iran instead of our airspace. Oh, and let’s not forget Biden turned the Taliban into one of the best equipped militaries in the world.

I’d like to think he’s doing this on purpose because nobody can be that stupid. Or maybe the problem is his supporters are.

[bobbiemcgee]

Here's your tax dollars hard at work: https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1657762895911088128



Keep waving those Ukrainian flags!!

Know you're rooting for the Ruskies but they are losing big time. Videos show them fleeing all over and their top General says they are losing the war. This when Ukraine has not even begun their summer offensive.

[Strange Brew]

Know you're rooting for the Ruskies but they are losing big time. Videos show them fleeing all over and their top General says they are losing the war. This when Ukraine has not even begun their summer offensive.

No one is rooting for Putin. I hope the people of Russia and Ukraine people are able to get back to their lives. The Russians and the Ukrainians have been through enough steaming, hot political nonsense for over 100 years.

I’m rooting to stay out of it. The way to beat Russia is by crippling the Bear economically with US energy.

I find it very curious that those who were so anti-war 20 years ago are so hawkish now.

I’m old enough to remember when Ronny Ray gun (as he was called by the likes of you) was going to start WWIII. He didn’t and the country did well through the Clinton years. My point, you peddle in fear. Always looking for a boogeyman to further your agenda.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/03/fact-check-joe-biden-executive-order-trump-border-wall-construction/4337994001/

Check back with Giggle Palooza if he was your source. There doesn't seem to be any credibility to claims Biden dismantled any of the wall.

Arizona and Texas had erected shipping crates to try to fill in gaps in the wall. Biden ordered those to be removed leaving large gaps.

per Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/border-wall-made-of-shipping-containers-comes-down-in-arizona-rises-in-texas-11673061807

[Strange Brew]

Arizona and Texas had erected shipping crates to try to fill in gaps in the wall. Biden ordered those to be removed leaving large gaps.

per Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/border-wall-made-of-shipping-containers-comes-down-in-arizona-rises-in-texas-11673061807

Thanks MOR, I didn’t think I’d have to source common knowledge.

But hey, we’re making a difference when it comes to ceasing the climate from changing (fools errand).

[XU_Lou]

Know you're rooting for the Ruskies

Really, Boobie, this is the conclusion you ended up with?

It's funny how you "edited" out the portions of my post that explained how the Russians could be defeated. But we all know, that's how you libs do news and debates.

Maybe, if we use your logic, we should assume you're also getting rich off the smoldering bodies of dead Ukranians as well, right?

[Strange Brew]

Really, Boobie, this is the conclusion you ended up with?

It's funny how you "edited" out the portions of my post that explained how the Russians could be defeated. But we all know, that's how you libs do news and debates.

Maybe, if we use your logic, we should assume you're also getting rich off the smoldering bodies of dead Ukranians as well, right?

It’s interesting that a Republican warned us about the Industrial-Military complex. Well, he was a General after all. :)

If only he listened to Patton on Russia….

It saddens me we’re still fighting our Granfather’s wars that they themselves wanted no part of.

[XU_Lou]

It’s interesting that a Republican warned us about the Industrial-Military complex. Well, he was a General after all. :)

If only he listened to Patton on Russia….

It saddens me we’re still fighting our Granfather’s wars that they themselves wanted no part of.

I really didn't understand Ike's comments / or thought the Industrial-Military complex was more or less conspiracy. But in recent years it's become plainly clear to me that Ike was spot on. In fact, I would argue that every war beginning with Vietnam was foisted upon us by the Industrial-Military complex (Deep State / Security State / Permanent DC). I no longer look at America with the rose-colored glasses I used to.

PS - I'm assuming you were joking on the Patton comment - that would've been a total blood bath. Like today, I don't think we could've won a war like that unless we used nukes.

What Bobbie and others fail to forget are the lessons of Hitler and Napoleon in Russia.

[paulxu]

Shipping crates...the new wall. Sure.

[Xville]

Shipping crates...the new wall. Sure.

Yep exactly which goes back to my original comment that everyone “spins,” not exclusive to msm or one side of the aisle.

[bobbiemcgee]

It’s interesting that a Republican warned us about the Industrial-Military complex. Well, he was a General after all. :)

If only he listened to Patton on Russia….


Yeah, we should have deployed 3,000,000 men to Russia with775,000 casulties.

[Xville]

Maybe if you use a term to try and make yourself look smart , you should know what the actual term is.

[Masterofreality]

Shipping crates...the new wall. Sure.

Welp. Since the Clueless President, whose policies allowed, and are still allowing almost unimpeded access to the country, just stood idly by for years, the states in crisis had to do something.
Hey, if that move was so ineffective, why did Biden and the Feds force the shipping containers removal? Because maybe they actually were working? What a concept.
Paul just can’t stand being caught in a lie again.

[GoMuskies]

I think shipping containers could make a pretty effective wall if stacked two high.

[Strange Brew]

I really didn't understand Ike's comments / or thought the Industrial-Military complex was more or less conspiracy. But in recent years it's become plainly clear to me that Ike was spot on. In fact, I would argue that every war beginning with Vietnam was foisted upon us by the Industrial-Military complex (Deep State / Security State / Permanent DC). I no longer look at America with the rose-colored glasses I used to.

PS - I'm assuming you were joking on the Patton comment - that would've been a total blood bath. Like today, I don't think we could've won a war like that unless we used nukes.

What Bobbie and others fail to forget are the lessons of Hitler and Napoleon in Russia.

There are only two truths.
- Never get involved in a land war in Asia and never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

In seriousness, no. I don’t want war with the Russians and we clearly didn’t learn enough from them and Alexander the Great on Afghanistan.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, we should have deployed 3,000,000 men to Russia with775,000 casulties.

So why are you fighting them now via a proxy.

[Strange Brew]

I think shipping containers could make a pretty effective wall if stacked two high.

Be better than handing out phones with an app to remind them of their Court date in a few years.

[Masterofreality]

I think shipping containers could make a pretty effective wall if stacked two high.

100. Which is what they were doing.
And since Mayor Pete couldn’t handle the supply chain very well, there were plenty of empty Cargo Containers to be used.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe if you use a term to try and make yourself look smart , you should know what the actual term is.

If this was directed at me I flipped it on purpose.

Maybe you could ask me why instead of bringing snark. Oh, and I hope you don’t move to get me banned as I wonder how hard it is for you to put your armband on each day. What color is it supposed to be this month?

BTW, your crusades against posters on this board are pathetic.

[Xville]

If this was directed at me I flipped it on purpose.

Maybe you could ask me why instead of bringing snark. Oh, and I hope you don’t move to get me banned as I wonder how hard it is for you to put your armband on each day. What color is it supposed to be this month?

BTW, your crusades against posters on this board are pathetic.

Cool story bro. I find your condescending attitude toward people that don’t agree with you about as useless as Biden and trump and what you think are “facts.” But you do you

[Strange Brew]

Cool story bro. I find your condescending attitude toward people that don’t agree with you about as useless as Biden and trump and what you think are “facts.” But you do you

Haha, cute. Put your mask back on.

You and I likely agree on a lot of things. I’m just not a Fascist about it.

[Xville]

Haha, cute. Put your mask back on.

You and I likely agree on a lot of things. I’m just not a Fascist about it.

Lol fascist? Ha no. I just think lou is a pos psycho.

[Strange Brew]

Lol fascist? Ha no. I just think lou is a pos psycho.

You’re not helping yourself…

And don’t worry, I like your opinions and will never make it a personal policy to ban you.

[Xville]

You’re not helping yourself…

And don’t worry, I like your opinions and will never make it a personal policy to ban you.

I don’t care if I’m helping myself.

[Strange Brew]

I don’t care if I’m helping myself.

Me neither. :)

I take that back. What would you like to see happen on the World’s stage?

[Xville]

Me neither. :)

I take that back. What would you like to see happen on the World’s stage?

Simple… Middle East turned into a parking lot, Putin to get the f out of ukraine, Social media to be destroyed, world peace, and Xavier to reach a final four.

Not necessarily in that order.

[Strange Brew]

Simple… Middle East turned into a parking lot, Putin to get the f out of ukraine, Social media to be destroyed, world peace, and Xavier to reach a final four.

Not necessarily in that order.

:)
The proper term is “the World’s largest sheet of glass” you hawk, you. ;).

Putin’s objective is Odessa to solidify his need for the Black Sea.

I don’t know much Ville however I think (damn Jesuits) we believe in the same God. For reference it’s the same one those regions have been fighting over well, for forever.

I’m totally on board with X in the FF. However, I’m more impressed with the B-School and that medicine is making its way to campus.

Little old eggs-avier? :)

[XU_Lou]

Simple… Middle East turned into a parking lot, Putin to get the f out of ukraine, Social media to be destroyed, world peace, and Xavier to reach a final four.

Not necessarily in that order.

Oh, ok, that makes a lot of sense...

[Strange Brew]

Oh, ok, that makes a lot of sense...

Haha, too funny.

[Xville]

Oh, ok, that makes a lot of sense...

you’re dumber than I thought.

[Muskie in dayton]

you’re dumber than I thought.
…says the guy who just wished for nuclear devastation and world peace all in one succinct post.

[Muskie in dayton]

Now that the Durham report has put the final mail in the coffin of Trump’s Russian collusion, are any of the libs here wondering what else has
been fabricated by the FBI and propagate by MSM? You should be.

[Xville]

…says the guy who just wished for nuclear devastation and world peace all in one succinct post.

are you that dense to believe that what I said in that post was
100% serious? I mean seriously how stupid are
You? Now I understand why you believe everything you read as long as it goes along with your opinions.

[Strange Brew]

Now that the Durham report has put the final mail in the coffin of Trump’s Russian collusion, are any of the libs here wondering what else has
been fabricated by the FBI and propagate by MSM? You should be.

Don’t worry, they’ll scheme up sumpin’

[xuphan]

Arizona and Texas had erected shipping crates to try to fill in gaps in the wall. Biden ordered those to be removed leaving large gaps.

per Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/border-wall-made-of-shipping-containers-comes-down-in-arizona-rises-in-texas-11673061807

They shouldn’t have agreed to take them down.

[Strange Brew]

They shouldn’t have agreed to take them down.

The best way to not design a wall is to assume there’s no need for one.

[Xville]

If this was directed at me I flipped it on purpose.

Maybe you could ask me why instead of bringing snark. Oh, and I hope you don’t move to get me banned as I wonder how hard it is for you to put your armband on each day. What color is it supposed to be this month?

BTW, your crusades against posters on this board are pathetic.

On a politics thread about everyday arguing with the same 2-3 people with slanted views and you want to preach to me about pathetic. Hysterical

[XU_Lou]

I guess it’s just one of those jokes where you had to be there to get it.

But then again, I do recall seeing Cosby, Carlin, Dangerfield and Robin Williams harangue their audience for not laughing at their jokes.

Maybe the whole thing is really just an Andy Kaufman act?

[XU_Lou]

It’s quite hilarious the people who incessantly complain about this thread, but consistently post here multiple times almost daily. Weird…

Maybe it’s just a ruse to eradicate the conservatives - cough, cough - I mean the Saracen from this board.

[Muskie in dayton]

are you that dense to believe that what I said in that post was
100% serious? I mean seriously how stupid are
You? Now I understand why you believe everything you read as long as it goes along with your opinions.
Well, I do believe you are 100% stupid enough to say it. And that is based on what I read… and you write.

[bjf123]

Can one of our left leaning posters here explain to me why it’s ok for Gavin Newsom to sign a law prohibiting mail in ballots for union votes but it’s fine for other types of voting? Seems to me to be a little hypocritical.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/gov-newsom-signs-bill-to-eliminate-vote-by-mail-elections-and-secret-ballots-for-farm-workers/


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[Masterofreality]

It’s also pretty amazing that our left wing posters on here are totally silent on the Durham report that detailed a surreptitious insurrection vs a sitting President, who was duly elected. Plus the insurrection was based upon a losing candidate’s false paid “research” and put the country through 3 years of hell. Meanwhile lying Adam Schiff still gets a forum with Jake Tapper.
I guess “threats to democracy” only are applicable when the oppo seems to be the perp.
“The Club” was threatened by an outside “interloper”. He must be destroyed.
Meanwhile- gas price when TFG left office $2.39. Price now (here) $3.69.
Hillary couldn’t be bothered to visit Wisconsin, tho.

[STL_XUfan]

It’s also pretty amazing that our left wing posters on here are totally silent on the Durham report that detailed a surreptitious insurrection vs a sitting President, who was duly elected. Plus the insurrection was based upon a losing candidate’s false paid “research” and put the country through 3 years of hell. Meanwhile lying Adam Schiff still gets a forum with Jake Tapper.
I guess “threats to democracy” only are applicable when the oppo seems to be the perp.
“The Club” was threatened by an outside “interloper”. He must be destroyed.
Meanwhile- gas price when TFG left office $2.39. Price now (here) $3.69.
Hillary couldn’t be bothered to visit Wisconsin, tho.

Namely because it didn't say anything close to that. It found that there was confirmation bias and that the investigation wasn't up to the high standard the FBI holds itself to, but found no proof of political bias or any sort of "surreptitious insurrection." Hence why it lead to one conviction for doctoring an email in support of a subpoena. But spin it however you want.

[Xville]

Well, I do believe you are 100% stupid enough to say it. And that is based on what I read… and you write.

Based on What you read is true, just like your brilliant spin analysis of the Durham report. I guess if you only read spin, you start believing nonsense after a while.

Some of you really need to get your mouth off of trumps junk and stop believing everything he says. I learned to stop believing politicians years ago, some of you haven’t quite learned that lesson yet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Mirrored the earlier IG report. No new arrests, 2 failed prosecutions, 4 yrs. time and money wasted. Nothingburger.

[Masterofreality]

Namely because it didn't say anything close to that. It found that there was confirmation bias and that the investigation wasn't up to the high standard the FBI holds itself to, but found no proof of political bias or any sort of "surreptitious insurrection." Hence why it lead to one conviction for doctoring an email in support of a subpoena. But spin it however you want.


Mirrored the earlier IG report. No new arrests, 2 failed prosecutions, 4 yrs. time and money wasted. Nothingburger.

Uh huh. That’s why the FBI took great pains to state that the agency had made numerous changes and installed new safeguards within its procedures previous to the issuance of Durham’s report. And Strzok wasn’t politically biased?? Also, why did agents take out liability insurance ?? WTF are you smoking?!? Some nothingburger.
By the way. The numerous failed accusations of Russian Collusion vs Trump didn’t seem to affect your continuous railing against him. Why is that?
Finally. How can you not admit that this entire exercise was to totally undermine a duly elected President. Sounds like a surreptitious coup to me!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/its-a-mad-house-fbi-texts-show-crossfire-hurricane-agents-sought-insurance-protection-for-potential-lawsuits

[paulxu]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

[xuphan]

Based on What you read is true, just like your brilliant spin analysis of the Durham report. I guess if you only read spin, you start believing nonsense after a while.

Some of you really need to get your mouth off of trumps junk and stop believing everything he says. I learned to stop believing politicians years ago, some of you haven’t quite learned that lesson yet.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1412804087859617794?lang=en

Even Trump would agree with this.

[Smails]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

This is a waste??
CNN
—
Special counsel John Durham concluded that the FBI should never have launched a full investigation into connections between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia during the 2016 election, according to a report compiled over three years by the Trump-administration appointee and released on Monday.

Durham’s 300-plus page report also states that the FBI used “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” to launch the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into Trump and Russia but used a different standard when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

In a statement Monday, the FBI said its leadership has “already implemented dozens of corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time,” in response to the conduct examined by Durham. “Had those reforms been in place in 2016, the missteps identified in the report could have been prevented,” the statement adds.

Monday, Durham knocked the FBI for failing to take several steps before launching the Trump campaign investigations, such as interviewing relevant witnesses, reviewing its own intelligence databases or using “any of the standard analytical tools typically employed by the FBI in evaluating raw intelligence.”

Durham suggested that if the FBI had taken those steps, it would have found that US intelligence agencies did not have any evidence tying Trump to Russian leadership officials.

Nothing to see here...move along. The top investigative arm of our government launched a completely bogus investigation into a sitting President based on nothing more than party bias. That arm was investigated, found to be incompetent, and has since put certain checks and balances in place to make sure that this kind of buffoonery never take place again. Sounds like a win for people who appreciate equal application of the rules. For those who like to see our government agencies used to take down political opposition..they'll call it a waste.

[bobbiemcgee]

So you are with the republicans who want to defund/disband the FBI? Has a familiar sound to it.

[Masterofreality]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

Not simple at all as Paul continues to try to use stuff that was all based upon the only info (false) that was available at the time…and subsequently totally debunked.
None of that trash was legit that started the whole process as the Wall Street Journal points out:

“ The report’s 316 pages detail the FBI’s failings at every turn. Mr. Durham describes how the bureau initiated its probe based on a conversation between unpaid Trump adviser George Papadopoulos and an Australian diplomat. No U.S. law-enforcement or intelligence agency thought the conversation was evidence of collusion, but the FBI launched a formal investigation anyway without “any significant review of its own intelligence databases” or “conducting interviews of witnesses essential to understand the raw information it had received.” The FBI also opened full investigations of four members of Mr. Trump’s campaign team.

The bureau then began working on authorizations for use of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, warrants—which would lead to highly intrusive electronic coverage of Trump adviser Carter Page. We learned from the special counsel that former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith committed a criminal offense by fabricating language in an email that helped the FBI obtain the FISA surveillance order against Mr. Page. Agents also used the unverified dossier, concocted by former British intelligence agent Christopher Steele, as probable cause in its FISA applications.

Mr. Durham notes that the FBI personnel working on those applications displayed “a cavalier attitude towards accuracy and completeness.” FBI personnel continued to seek renewals of FISA surveillance while acknowledging that they didn’t believe there was probable cause. They also disregarded exculpatory information, such as surrepti-tiously recorded statements from some of the targets themselves.

At the very least, Mr. Durham reminds us, the bureau should have exercised restraint when it received information from Mr. Steele, who was at that time being paid by entities of Hillary Clinton’s campaign. This partisan information helped sustain the probe and, in Mr. Durham’s opinion, contributed to the creation of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.”

Stop with your ridiculous gaslighting Paul.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/durham-finds-bad-apples-have-spoiled-the-fbi-collusion-trump-russia-ce31d6e6

[bobbiemcgee]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/john-durham-final-report-trump-russia-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

[XU_Lou]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/john-durham-final-report-trump-russia-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

You seem a little nervous....

[XU_Lou]

Paul and Bobbie,

Never, ever, forget; it was you who created Trump, and it is you who will resurrect him.

[Masterofreality]

Durham's Dud:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/05/john-durham-final-report-trump-russia-investigation

no deep state.

The doctored email was uncovered by Horowitz, not Durham. lie

It says that in the Wall Street Journal article if you bothered to read it. Where is the lie?
What Durham did was shine a light on an agency’s corruption. You are not in favor of that?

[UCGRAD4X]

Pretty simple. The Mueller Report, the IG's report, and the Republican Senate Intelligence committee all determined that Russia actively work to support efforts to undermine Clinton's campaign and help Trump get elected.
You don't want to call it collusion, which is not even a legally defined term for breaking the law. I'll call it collusion as a lay term for the Trump campaign manager to hand polling and other data to a Russian intelligence officer so they could target their social media campaigns to help Trump. Certainly sounds like they might have "colluded." Or Russians hacking various Dems and releasing it to hurt a campaign. They didn't hack Trump's people.
Durham wasted 4 years, took a couple of people to court who were found not guilty, and had one charge thrown out by the judge.
A waste.
Mueller led to Stone and Flynn being convicted and subsequently being pardoned by Trump. Great record.
Bannon gets pardoned for his build the wall scam, while his buddies on the project go to jail. Nice.

sounds like

might have

colluded ("not even a legally defined term")

and you start it all off with the word "certainly"

[paulxu]

What would you call the situation where the manager of the campaign for the United States presidency gives a Russian intelligence agent, polling data to help the Russians use social media to impact the United States election?

[Masterofreality]

What would you call a candidate who was so inept that she couldn’t even find her way to Wisconsin in the last 2 months of a Presidential Campaign?
Answer: LOSER

[paulxu]

Perfect deflection.

[Smails]

So you are with the republicans who want to defund/disband the FBI? Has a familiar sound to it.

Absolutely not. Why would you say that...I've never indicated anything of the sort. You are an odd bird.

The FBI messed up, made mistakes and launched an investigation without due cause. Those facts are not in dispute. I don't know why people can't just admit it and also admit that its a good thing to make sure our government agencies don't pull this kind of crap moving forward. It's really head scratching