Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

federal and state governments have a hard enough time currently funding schools.

They do? Schools seem pretty well funded generally. They may still suck, but I don't know that there's a funding problem generally.

[Strange Brew]

Talk to me about uvalde.

Was that the one where the police stood down or hesitated?

[Xville]

Was that the one where the police stood down or hesitated?

No that was Florida. I know it’s hard to keep track.

[Xville]

Federal and state governments have plenty of funding, it’s the way they spend the majority of the funding that’s the problem

[Xuperman]

Recommendations to harden schools from mental ill people with AR-15s? Remember, federal and state governments have a hard enough time currently funding schools.

You can find the funding. Priority.

Would you rather save American children's lives or send billions to a plethora of foreign countries. You could find plenty of wasted cash at the grotesquely bloated Dept of Education.

Any and ALL measures to make unauthorized entry into our schools as difficult as possible. You can't shoot up the inside of a building if you can't get in. Not rocket science.

[Strange Brew]

No that was Florida. I know it’s hard to keep track.

It is and I'm not trying to be a jerk. Yes, something needs to be done however I'd prefer we stop and think before passing more laws and restrictions.

[Xuperman]

Talk to me about uvalde.

They shooter entered the building through an unlocked door. I don't recall any school shooting where the maniac overcame overwhelming obstacles to gain entry.

[Xville]

They shooter entered the building through an unlocked door. I don't recall any school shooting where the maniac overcame overwhelming obstacles to gain entry.

He shot a school police officer first

[Xuperman]

It is and I'm not trying to be a jerk. Yes, something needs to be done however I'd prefer we stop and think before passing more laws and restrictions.

How about passing a stand alone national school security infrastructure bill?

[Xuperman]

He shot a school police officer first

Then went through an unlocked door.

[Xuperman]

Work place violence is a whole different kettle of fish IMO. You have to pick your war, and laser focus on it to make any difference.

It's really easy to enter my local HS, and it's pretty common to not see anyone in the halls when class is in session. This is mind bogglingly irresponsible and totally unacceptable.

[Xville]

Work place violence is a whole different kettle of fish IMO. You have to pick your war, and laser focus on it to make any difference.

It's really easy to enter my local HS, and it's pretty common to not see anyone in the halls when class is in session. This is mind bogglingly irresponsible and totally unacceptable.

Or we could stop putting bandaids on things and causing more problems. Fix the problem… mental health, sensible gun restrictions etc

[xuphan]

They do? Schools seem pretty well funded generally. They may still suck, but I don't know that there's a funding problem generally.

Really? Wonder why so many schools have to rely on school levy’s?

[GoMuskies]

Because...that's where they get their funding.

[xuphan]

How much do you think it will cost to run the more extensive background checks being proposed (with little specifics) and the enforcement to confiscate/police the guns in existence?

It would be ludicrous for anyone to try to go door to door to confiscate peopleÂ’s AR-15s. That would be a death wish if you took that job. Maybe the liberals proposing it can go door to door to do it. The AR-15 itself cannot kill anyone. The mentally unstable person possessing the gun can and can kill groups of people quickly. How as a society do we make it harder for mentally unstable people to get these guns? It just amazes me that these idiots in Washington canÂ’t work together to at least try to fix this problem. Address Mental Health! You know, work together as a United front to keep innocent children and citizens that they represent from being slaughtered on what seems to be a monthly occurrence.

[xuphan]

Because...that's where they get their funding.

That’s from the already taxed taxpayers. Not the government.

[noteggs]

That’s from the already taxed taxpayers. Not the government.

Doesn’t the government only get their money from taxpayers? Confused.

[paulxu]

I don't think we can adequately address all the issues of school safety with more officers, metal detectors, etc.
So strange compared to my grade school years. Never heard of any of these issues. It's nuts what we've become.
And I think the prevalence of guns in our society has something to do with it.
You lock the doors in a grade school or not. The guy in Nashville just shot out the glass and walked right in.

[xuphan]

Doesn’t the government only get their money from taxpayers? Confused.

I am confused too. If the government funds these schools so well why do the schools have to put up their own levy’s to fund themselves?

[xuphan]

I don't think we can adequately address all the issues of school safety with more officers, metal detectors, etc.
So strange compared to my grade school years. Never heard of any of these issues. It's nuts what we've become.
And I think the prevalence of guns in our society has something to do with it.
You lock the doors in a grade school or not. The guy in Nashville just shot out the glass and walked right in.

This is only going to get worse with the next generation.

[paulxu]

Mental health problems or idiots with guns?
And the kids suffer.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/road-raging-dads-shot-each-others-children-only-one-is-charged/77-1271f190-823f-4181-af0f-efe2a4b13281

[Strange Brew]

Mental health problems or idiots with guns?
And the kids suffer.

https://www.firstcoastnews.com/article/news/local/road-raging-dads-shot-each-others-children-only-one-is-charged/77-1271f190-823f-4181-af0f-efe2a4b13281

Neither. They’re all idiots and the kids do suffer.

Speaking of kids, most of you spouting off about guns voted for Pro-Abortionists so it’s kind of hypocritical.

[GoMuskies]

I am confused too. If the government funds these schools so well why do the schools have to put up their own levy’s to fund themselves?

To fund themselves?!? From the taxpayers? I generally call that a....tax.

[Strange Brew]

To fund themselves?!? From the taxpayers? I generally call that a....tax.

You’re not wrong…

[Xville]

Here it is, sturgeon had been receiving treatment for mental health issues. Good thing he was able to buy an ar-15, but yeah it’s not a problem. You gun toting rights activists are effing nutjobs.

And gee I wonder if the multiple concussions he had could have contributed to the decline in his mental health? Hmm weird.

[Muskie in dayton]

Here it is, sturgeon had been receiving treatment for mental health issues. Good thing he was able to buy an ar-15, but yeah itÂ’s not a problem. You gun toting rights activists are effing nutjobs.

And gee I wonder if the multiple concussions he had could have contributed to the decline in his mental health? Hmm weird.
What kind of mental health issues was he being treated for?

[Xville]

What kind of mental health issues was he being treated for?

Explain why that matters?

For what it’s worth there were writings that were found of his in college that certainly indicated depression issues. We should definitely be fine with giving those people an ar-15. Guns for everyone!! I know my rights!

[Muskie in dayton]

Explain why that matters?

For what itÂ’s worth there were writings that were found of his in college that certainly indicated depression issues. We should definitely be fine with giving those people an ar-15. Guns for everyone!! I know my rights!
Depression. ThatÂ’s a condition that affects nearly 25% of Americans, and it is not in itself a mental health condition that would lead to gun violence against others. Anxiety is another.

Also, roughly half of mental health disorders (those that would and would not contribute to the potential for gun violence) are NOT being treated. Would making someone diagnosed with depression unable to own a gun make them more or less likely to seek treatment?

ThatÂ’s why it matters. ItÂ’s not as simple as you want to make it.

[Xville]

Depression. ThatÂ’s a condition that affects nearly 25% of Americans, and it is not in itself a mental health condition that would lead to gun violence against others. Anxiety is another.

Also, roughly half of mental health disorders (those that would and would not contribute to the potential for gun violence) are NOT being treated. Would making someone diagnosed with depression unable to own a gun make them more or less likely to seek treatment?

ThatÂ’s why it matters. ItÂ’s not as simple as you want to make it.

Yeah, actually it is pretty simple. If you are or have been treated with mental health issues, you shouldn’t have the ability to own a gun, period. And yeah depression is a health condition that increases the likelihood you will hurt yourself or others, but yet you apparently think it’s ok for them to own a gun? People with mental conditions should be flagged and that’s the end of it. It’s common sense.

[Xville]

And yes I understand that mental health does go untreated which is why I also believe lots of funding needs to go to this epidemic in our country.

This does beg the question, where has this rise in mental health issues come from? I think that’s the most important thing to solve, but also the most difficult and could take generations.

[Xuperman]

And yes I understand that mental health does go untreated which is why I also believe lots of funding needs to go to this epidemic in our country.

This does beg the question, where has this rise in mental health issues come from? I think that’s the most important thing to solve, but also the most difficult and could take generations.

The internet, social media, over 2 decades of faces glued to a screen. This destroys natural human interaction. Ultra violence in movies and video games, desensitization of the value of human life.

The genie is out of the bottle.

[xuphan]

To fund themselves?!? From the taxpayers? I generally call that a....tax.

You’re not getting the point. Taxpayers are having to fund schools through levy’s beyond what the federal and state government are funding these schools. Why do schools have to create levy’s anyways if they are fully funded? Why doesn’t the government put aside adequate funding for these schools in the first place? If the government is fully funding these schools, schools wouldn’t have to ask taxpayers to approve levy’s to fund the schools in the first place. It’s only a tax if the voters vote for the tax. If the voters vote against the levy, is the government going to come in and cover the funding gap?

You can harden these schools all you want but where is the money going to come from. You want schools to put more levy’s in place to pay for hardening their schools?

[94GRAD]

You’re not getting the point. Taxpayers are having to fund schools through levy’s beyond what the federal and state government are funding these schools. Why do schools have to create levy’s anyways if they are fully funded? Why doesn’t the government put aside adequate funding for these schools in the first place? If the government is fully funding these schools, schools wouldn’t have to ask taxpayers to approve levy’s to fund the schools in the first place. It’s only a tax if the voters vote for the tax. If the voters vote against the levy, is the government going to come in and cover the funding gap?

You can harden these schools all you want but where is the money going to come from. You want schools to put more levy’s in place to pay for hardening their schools?

I'm not sure you understand how schools are funded. Public schools are funded through local property taxes(i.e levies). When communities vote on levies, it's to keep current levies going or to raise a levy to pay for more programs and/or teacher raises.

[paulxu]

If we're being asked not to buy Anheuser Busch products because Bud Light is being promoted by a transgender person....

could we get a transgender person to promote assault weapons?

[Masterofreality]

If we're being asked not to buy Anheuser Busch products because Bud Light is being promoted by a transgender person....

could we get a transgender person to promote assault weapons?

A “Transgender Person” just shot and killed 6 people, 3 of them kids at a school in Nashville.
I believe that you probably wouldn’t want that.

[STL_XUfan]

A “Transgender Person” just shot and killed 6 people, 3 of them kids at a school in Nashville.
I believe that you probably wouldn’t want that.
So lets start the protest movement. Everyone run their AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles over with a bull dozer!!

[Masterofreality]

Did you know that while the circus was occurring in the Tennessee legislature last week, it actually passed a bill that Gov. Lee signed into law that massively increased funding and state requirements for school safety?

The so-called "Tennessee three" all voted against it.

Clown show.

[Masterofreality]

So lets start the protest movement. Everyone run their AR-15s and semi-automatic rifles over with a bull dozer!!

Protest movement over Transgenders?
Ok.

[Xville]

Did you know that while the circus was occurring in the Tennessee legislature last week, it actually passed a bill that Gov. Lee signed into law that massively increased funding and state requirements for school safety?

The so-called "Tennessee three" all voted against it.

Clown show.

What’s a clown show is you actually believing that bill does anything for school safety. Yeah nothing screams school safety like doing emergency drills and “security collaboration” with law enforcement whatever the eff that means. Oh boy and it requires schools to lock doors! Wow! What a bill!

I don’t know what’s a bigger joke, your ridiculous partisanship or this bill

[paulxu]

A “Transgender Person” just shot and killed 6 people, 3 of them kids at a school in Nashville.
I believe that you probably wouldn’t want that.

You broke the code!

Trans person drinks Bud Light, wacky right wing people start boycotting Bud Light, Kid Rock shoots up cases of Bud Light, etc.

Trans person uses assault type weapons to kill children...I'm suggesting the same people boycott buying these weapons.

[Masterofreality]

You broke the code!

Trans person GETS PAID A FAT SUM TO PROMOTE Bud Light, wacky right wing people start boycotting Bud Light, Kid Rock shoots up cases of Bud Light, etc.

Trans person uses assault type weapons to kill children...I'm suggesting the same people boycott buying these weapons.

Fixed it for you
Last time I checked, Boycotting and Protesting things is your side’s bailiwick, but on the Right side’s protests and boycotts over this no one is killed, no buildings are burned. But it’s the Right who is “wacky”.
Ludicrous

[noteggs]

If we're being asked not to buy Anheuser Busch products because Bud Light is being promoted by a transgender person....

could we get a transgender person to promote assault weapons?

Sometimes jokes fall flat because of timing. I believe this is one of those times…

[Uncle Joe]

Well, it looks like ole Joe just revealed his quid pro quo today:

China makes inexplicable payments to Hunter/Biden Family/Burisma --> Biden mandates EVs --> China owns the rare earth materials to make the batteries for EVs

Meanwhile. the American poor and middle class are poised to sink further down the economic ladder, while the MSM covers for the Bidens

[bobbiemcgee]

X-Cons, drug addicts, gang members, anybody etc. can soon buy an AR15 in Fla. and walk around with it. No concealed permit needed, no background checks. Lunacy.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yeah, actually it is pretty simple. If you are or have been treated with mental health issues, you shouldnÂ’t have the ability to own a gun, period. And yeah depression is a health condition that increases the likelihood you will hurt yourself or others, but yet you apparently think itÂ’s ok for them to own a gun? People with mental conditions should be flagged and thatÂ’s the end of it. ItÂ’s common sense.
You are wrong about depression. No I donÂ’t think people with depression should be prevented from self-defense because a nut-job shot 5 people. Your absolutism is simple-minded.

How about we just make murder illegal instead. That will stop it.

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, it looks like ole Joe just revealed his quid pro quo today:

China makes inexplicable payments to Hunter/Biden Family/Burisma --> Biden mandates EVs --> China owns the rare earth materials to make the batteries for EVs

Meanwhile. the American poor and middle class are poised to sink further down the economic ladder, while the MSM covers for the Bidens
But…but…but…Trump!

[Xville]

X-Cons, drug addicts, gang members, anybody etc. can soon buy an AR15 in Fla. and walk around with it. No concealed permit needed, no background checks. Lunacy.

Dumbest shit I have ever heard. A year ago there was no way the republicans were going to lose the presidency in 24, now there is no way they are going to win it.

[Xville]

You are wrong about depression. No I donÂ’t think people with depression should be prevented from self-defense because a nut-job shot 5 people. Your absolutism is simple-minded.

How about we just make murder illegal instead. That will stop it.

A “nutjob” in your world but in reality otherwise known as a person who was being treated with depression and had multiple concussions to the point of having to wear a helmet in high school but yeah he should have a gun because of self-defense? . “Self-defense” good gawd keep beating that drum. I guess you’re one of the lou and Mor lemmings of “let me see what the right platform is so I can know my position” kind of people. Good for you!

I’m not wrong about depression, you can think that and type it all you want, but you’d be wrong.

https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/depression-linked-to-violent-crime-study-finds
https://supporting.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=cms.page&id=1226&eventID=4439

There are a million more I can link to but I don’t want to be a lou. You get the gist, well probably not since facts don’t work for you.

Yeah having depression doesn’t mean you are going to commit suicide or go blow up a school or work place but the chances are increased. Mitigate the risk. Why are you advocating for people having the easy ability to kill other people or themselves? Oh yeah “self-defense”——insert eye roll

[Strange Brew]

Well, it looks like ole Joe just revealed his quid pro quo today:

China makes inexplicable payments to Hunter/Biden Family/Burisma --> Biden mandates EVs --> China owns the rare earth materials to make the batteries for EVs

Meanwhile. the American poor and middle class are poised to sink further down the economic ladder, while the MSM covers for the Bidens

Meh, in 10 years. It will be ignored like the loons saying the coastal cities would be submerged by now.

[paulxu]

Fixed it for you
Last time I checked, Boycotting and Protesting things is your side’s bailiwick, but on the Right side’s protests and boycotts over this no one is killed, no buildings are burned. But it’s the Right who is “wacky”.
Ludicrous

Excellent. Do one of your Right side's "no one is killed" boycotts on assault weapons. Maybe it will help help reduce the killings.

[Masterofreality]

Excellent. Do one of your Right side's "no one is killed" boycotts on assault weapons. Maybe it will help help reduce the killings.

Just as soon as “your side” stops killing peole, destroying property, burning buildings, and ruining Minority owned businesses under the guise of “Equity”.
Ya might want to think about avoiding coercing underage kids into “transitioning” their gender before they even hit puberty too? Your President is all in on “Gender Affirming Care” that “affirms” nothing.

[paulxu]

None of "my sides" leaders support the unlawful activities you note. They were wrong and people should, and were, punished.

Your leaders support the assault weapons sales. They don't act to stop them or enact stricter laws to protect the citizens. Big difference.

[Strange Brew]

None of "my sides" leaders support the unlawful activities you note. They were wrong and people should, and were, punished.

Your leaders support the assault weapons sales. They don't act to stop them or enact stricter laws to protect the citizens. Big difference.

I don’t think people “support” your made up term/definition.

[GoMuskies]

There are 100 votes in the Senate. One of them is currently held by Diane Feinstein. That's elder abuse.

[Masterofreality]

None of "my sides" leaders support the unlawful activities you note. They were wrong and people should, and were, punished.

Your leaders support the assault weapons sales. They don't act to stop them or enact stricter laws to protect the citizens. Big difference.

Kamala Harris “Supported” and actually PROMOTED a fund to have violent rioters released from jail, then leftist prosecutors reduce the violent crimes to misdemeanors putting these baddies back on the street to crime again. And those are the ones who actually show up to trial. Others just disappear to crime again.
Or did your memory fail???

Pray which leaders “support” assault weapons sales? The framers of the Constitution with the 2nd Amendment?
Write a law that is Constitutional that will stand up in court, and let’s see what happens, but you can’t seem to do that.

[Masterofreality]

There are 100 votes in the Senate. One of them is currently held by Diane Feinstein. That's elder abuse.

Another is held by John Fetterman.
“Stroke Victim Abuse”? Or is that “Ableist”?

[bobbiemcgee]

There are 100 votes in the Senate. One of them is currently held by Diane Feinstein. That's elder abuse.

Chuck Grassley same age.

[GoMuskies]

Chuck Grassley same age.

Chuck Grassley hasn't been in the hospital suffering from dementia.

[bobbiemcgee]

Another is held by John Fetterman.
“Stroke Victim Abuse”? Or is that “Ableist”?


Chuck Grassley hasn't been in the hospital suffering from dementia.

Fetterman is back chairing his committee today. Makes me wonder if anyone in your families ever get sick. Guess your response is they are "weak sauce"'.

[GoMuskies]

I think everyone has family members who have suffered through dementia. I'm pretty sure that's why people recognize that what is happening to Feinstein is elder abuse.

[noteggs]

Odd - how we can censor big tech on covid ”disinformation” that doesn’t align with this administration and the Hunter laptop stuff. On the other hand, big tech along with the FBI can’t stop people from sharing classified secrets for several months. Sounds like we got our priorities a little screwed up?

[Masterofreality]

Odd - how we can censor big tech on covid ”disinformation” that doesn’t align with this administration and the Hunter laptop stuff. On the other hand, big tech along with the FBI can’t stop people from sharing classified secrets for several months. Sounds like we got our priorities a little screwed up?

Seems to be Platform dependent.

[paulxu]

Kamala Harris “Supported” and actually PROMOTED a fund to have violent rioters released from jail, then leftist prosecutors reduce the violent crimes to misdemeanors putting these baddies back on the street to crime again. And those are the ones who actually show up to trial. Others just disappear to crime again.
Or did your memory fail???

Pray which leaders “support” assault weapons sales? The framers of the Constitution with the 2nd Amendment?
Write a law that is Constitutional that will stand up in court, and let’s see what happens, but you can’t seem to do that.

Bail is part of our system. You'd have to link me to where people didn't show up for trial. And better than the link for the Tennessee congresswoman who supposedly apologized.

As to how the protestors and rioters were treated following the George Floyd situation, here's a factual comparison, complete with research and reasoning behind the government's actions.

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Republican leaders blocked the re-authorization of the assault weapons ban law, that was in place from '94-'04.
It was never overturned in court, so I feel confident of it's Constitutionality.
Sometimes your posts make no sense. If somehow during those 10 years, or the subsequent almost 20 of discussion on it sunsetting, and attempts to re-instate it, you missed it, here it is explained:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

Note: Lots of money for police and Biden drafted the Senate version with the National Association of Police Organizations.

[Masterofreality]

Bail is part of our system. You'd have to link me to where people didn't show up for trial. And better than the link for the Tennessee congresswoman who supposedly apologized.

As to how the protestors and rioters were treated following the George Floyd situation, here's a factual comparison, complete with research and reasoning behind the government's actions.

https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Republican leaders blocked the re-authorization of the assault weapons ban law, that was in place from '94-'04.
It was never overturned in court, so I feel confident of it's Constitutionality.
Sometimes your posts make no sense. If somehow during those 10 years, or the subsequent almost 20 of discussion on it sunsetting, and attempts to re-instate it, you missed it, here it is explained:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_Crime_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

Note: Lots of money for police and Biden drafted the Senate version with the National Association of Police Organizations.

Hmmm. Bail is a part of our system, but only if Judges decide to grant it. It is not a guarantee and unless you have liberal judges in place, many times bail is denied for violent criminals. Seems to me that people dying and billions of dollars in destruction would qualify as crime committed by violent criminals. The article you quoted about rioters states that “dozens out of over 300 cases were found guilty.” Pretty lousy ratio.
Also “over 60 of the 100 cases in Portland had their cases dismissed” Those are pretty lousy percentages of convictions for billions of dollars in destruction and multiple deaths.
Then there is this:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/06/the-biden-justice-departments-shameful-pandering-to-bomb-throwing-rioters/

I’m not talking about any Jan 6th comparison here. Focus on Summer 2020.

As to the Assault Weapons Ban. A) Why was there a “sunset provision” inserted if it was so great? The link to the specific provision on the Assault Weapons Ban from the Wikipedia you linked stated it didn’t measurably reduce gun violence since most gun crimes didn’t involve those weapons anyway. B) Democrats have had full control of Both Houses of Congress and the Presidency twice, yet no reinstatement. Why?
And don’t blame “Republican Filibustering for a reinstatement fail. The article from the LA Times spells out that 15 Democratic Senators voted against it when it lost 60-40 in 2013. By the way, that fail happened after Sandy Hook.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-xpm-2013-apr-17-la-pn-dianne-feinstein-assault-weapons-vote-20130417-story.html

From that LA article:

“ But 15 of her fellow Democrats, including a number from Western states, and one independent voted against the ban, as did all Republicans except Sen. Mark Steven Kirk of Illinois.

The controversial measure was doomed when Reid decided last month to leave it out of the broader gun control bill, saying that it would endanger more widely supported measures and was likely to win fewer than 40 votes in the 100-member chamber.”

[paulxu]

The filibuster has been used successfully by Republicans on all kinds of common sense gun laws, including the assault weapons ban.
Here are just some of them:
https://www.bradyunited.org/program/democracy/end-the-filibuster

I'm glad you read the article and picked out some highlights that you think indicate the justice system was too lax regarding the protests and riots following the George Floyd murder. That's the way our system works. Many, many of the J6 rioters were allowed to plead down to misdemeanors. And many, just like in the Floyd situation, were tried and convicted of more serious crimes.

If there were any who were granted bail (part of our system) and failed to show for trial, they would be fugitives. Did this happen?
You noted:
Others just disappear to crime again.Or did your memory fail???

My memory must have failed, that's why I asked for a cite to this so I could research. Do you really have a credible citation, or is this made up like the Tennessee women apologizing?

[Masterofreality]

The filibuster has been used successfully by Republicans on all kinds of common sense gun laws, including the assault weapons ban.
Here are just some of them:
https://www.bradyunited.org/program/democracy/end-the-filibuster

I'm glad you read the article and picked out some highlights that you think indicate the justice system was too lax regarding the protests and riots following the George Floyd murder. That's the way our system works. Many, many of the J6 rioters were allowed to plead down to misdemeanors. And many, just like in the Floyd situation, were tried and convicted of more serious crimes.

If there were any who were granted bail (part of our system) and failed to show for trial, they would be fugitives. Did this happen?
You noted:

My memory must have failed, that's why I asked for a cite to this so I could research. Do you really have a credible citation, or is this made up like the Tennessee women apologizing?

My points above stand. Can’t you admit that 15 Democratic Senators voted against Feinstein’s attempt to reinstate when they had full control? That has zero to do with Republicans.

I picked out “highlights” from the piece that you yourself posted. Maybe you should read your articles more closely first?

And from WATE.com as to the remorse by Gloria Johnson.

“ Friday, she (Johnson) publicly said she will not be apologizing, despite comments in her hearing suggesting that she should be more remorseful. “

Hey. It wouldn’t be the first time that a two faced politician says something in a private hearing to save themselves then go out and firebrand publicly. The Tennessee legislature does not make their private hearing notes public so we are left to read what our gatekeeper media choose to issue. And the media had a racial card narrative all set to go, so are we surprised that there has been little coverage?

By the way, why do you need a “cite to research”? Seems like you can sure find one when it fits your side.

[paulxu]

Thanks for the WATE.com. information.
As to your question, it's very simple. I could find no indication, anywhere, that she had apologized.
In fact, she didn't, as the article at WATE points out.


Even before the hearings, Johnson said she did not regret what she did. Friday, she she said she will not be apologizing, despite comments in her hearing suggesting that she should be more remorseful.

“I’m not apologizing for what I did. That’s just a fact, I went.

For anyone to suggest like you did
The woman you mentioned actually apologized and that is why she was allowed to stay. requires me to know why you would state something exactly opposite of what happened. So...I asked for the cite, which only showed she did NOT apologize...not that she ACTUALLY apologized.

It reminds me of a discussion I had the other night with two very intelligent people; one an orthopedic surgeon, the other a university chancellor. They were both convinced the IRS was going to hire 87,000 gun toting agents. Apparently they had only got their information from Fox and congressional interviews that promoted that nonsense. Even showing them Trump's own IRS head said it was nonsense, and sending them resources to verify, didn't seem to help.
Strange times we live in.

Also, yes some Dems help filibuster one attempt of multiple tries at reinstating the assault weapons ban. Some states have passed their own. I think there's another federal bill now up for consideration. Hopefully it'll get traction.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe they kicked one guy out because they'd seen his videos from Bowdoin and realilzed he was a performative dumb ass these days, and perhaps the other one got kicked out because they knew he stopped cars during BLM protests and confronted the drivers. Good enough.

[Xville]

You are wrong about depression. No I donÂ’t think people with depression should be prevented from self-defense because a nut-job shot 5 people. Your absolutism is simple-minded.

How about we just make murder illegal instead. That will stop it.

Your last two sentences is a stupid argument and kind of proves my point. Could you imagine the number of murders of it was legal?

[GoMuskies]

Pretty sure your idea stigmatizes mental illness, XVille. I'm not saying I agree with that, but good luck in 2023.

[Strange Brew]

Your last two sentences is a stupid argument and kind of proves my point. Could you imagine the number of murders of it was legal?

I think that comment was dripping with sarcasm..:)

[Masterofreality]

Thanks for the WATE.com. information.
As to your question, it's very simple. I could find no indication, anywhere, that she had apologized.
In fact, she didn't, as the article at WATE points out.



For anyone to suggest like you did requires me to know why you would state something exactly opposite of what happened. So...I asked for the cite, which only showed she did NOT apologize...not that she ACTUALLY apologized.

It reminds me of a discussion I had the other night with two very intelligent people; one an orthopedic surgeon, the other a university chancellor. They were both convinced the IRS was going to hire 87,000 gun toting agents. Apparently they had only got their information from Fox and congressional interviews that promoted that nonsense. Even showing them Trump's own IRS head said it was nonsense, and sending them resources to verify, didn't seem to help.
Strange times we live in.

Also, yes some Dems help filibuster one attempt of multiple tries at reinstating the assault weapons ban. Some states have passed their own. I think there's another federal bill now up for consideration. Hopefully it'll get traction.

I clearly said that she was a two faced politician saying one thing for the camera and something else in a private hearing to protect her position by “expressing remorse”. That equates to an apology.
It seems your reading comprehension skills are lacking since WATE had both of those facts in there.
Would love to see hearing notes but the media won’t publish those.
The IRS is hiring 87,000 positions per the Democrats own admissions when the bill was passed. Now they are coming after folks who receive $600 or more on Venmo and Pay Pal payments. That may not be a gun but it sure sounds like weaponizing vs the little taxpayer to me. See the below link.
Glad you finally admitted that the Democrats did a self own in 2013. Now, someone please put forward a bill that is Constitutional regarding gun control and Bi-partisanship would follow, I’m confident.

https://gop-waysandmeans.house.gov/fact-check-hellbent-on-supercharging-irs-against-middle-class-democrats-once-again-mislead-public/

[paulxu]

From your Republican "fact check link"


87,000 new agents that would audit them

IRS would add 86,852 full-time equivalent employees by 2031

Most anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence can see the contradictions implicit in their own words.
First, the new employees will come over 10 years, not right away as they most often claim.
Second, employees and agents aren't the same thing. The first includes thousands of people who work administratively to run the agency.


Last year, then-IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig told lawmakers that staffing has shrunk to 1970s levels
(the US population has grown over 50% since 1970, from 203 million to 331 millions)

“The majority of new hires the IRS makes will be those who answer the phones, work on processing individual tax returns or go after high-end taxpayers or corporations who are avoiding their taxes,” wrote Rettig in an op-ed published by Yahoo!Finance in August.

A Trump appointee, Rettig called the claim that the IRS is hiring 87,000 agents to harass taxpayers “absolutely false.”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/republican-irs-funding-87000-agents/index.html

I'm still waiting on the cite to support the "fact" that people who were let out on bail in Portland, failed to show up in court.

[Masterofreality]

From your Republican "fact check link"



Most anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence can see the contradictions implicit in their own words.
First, the new employees will come over 10 years, not right away as they most often claim. Most often? It’s not claimed in the Fact Check. False
Second, employees and agents aren't the same thing. The first includes thousands of people who work administratively to run the agency. You have zero idea how many are agents and how many are not. How many extra AGENTS will it take to police the new $600 limit on Venmo & Pay Pal income? A Lot!


(the US population has grown over 50% since 1970, from 203 million to 331 millions)
Yes and technology has grown too allowing most taxpayers to file electronically. Most time technology reduces human head count due to efficiency. Not with the bloated Dem IRS though.


https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/politics/republican-irs-funding-87000-agents/index.html

I'm still waiting on the cite to support the "fact" that people who were let out on bail in Portland, failed to show up in court.
The multitudes of people who have walked away from serious charges due to prosecutorial malfeasance and gone on to commit further riot is well documented. You can research how many Antifa roving gangs have gone from town to town causing upheaval. I’m not doing your work for you..

The answers are above. You are 0 for 4.

[paulxu]

I was confident that you couldn't site any support for your claim that people out on bail in Portland failed to show up for court.
There are a lot of statements in the past that you post without support; and when asked, deflect and can't produce. The "apology" item is just one example.

Thanks for letting me know my confidence wasn't misplaced.

[bobbiemcgee]

Then went through an unlocked door.

Guess you didn't see the Nashville footage. A locked door is no match for an AR 15.

[Strange Brew]

Guess you didn't see the Nashville footage. A locked door is no match for an AR 15.

I’m now questing everything you ever posted on this board

I’d like to think wer’re better than this.

[noteggs]

Whether or not you agree or disagree with what Bud Light did, they certainly made this guy a shit ton of money…

https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1646166561919492099?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

[GoMuskies]

That guy throws like a girl.

[noteggs]

Yea can’t argue that. Swing was better tho

[D-West & PO-Z]

Whether or not you agree or disagree with what Bud Light did, they certainly made this guy a shit ton of money…

https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1646166561919492099?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

How much money did he make?

[noteggs]

How much money did he make?

Typo on my part. Should have been make not made.

But to answer your question, since video he had thousands of preorders. Beer will not be available until May. Charging $19.99 a six pack (ouch). Think this was in the works before the bud thing.

[paulxu]

Typo on my part. Should have been make not made.

But to answer your question, since video he had thousands of preorders. Beer will not be available until May. Charging $19.99 a six pack (ouch). Think this was in the works before the bud thing.

Plus shipping = six pack is $30 +
(this guy will be laughing all the way to the bank if he really has thousands of orders)

[Strange Brew]

That guy throws like a girl.

Easy, them’s fighting words…:)

[paulxu]

Oops. Biting the hand that feeds you:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nrcc-quietly-backs-off-attacking-bud-lightits-own-major-donor/?via=twitter_page&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=owned_social&utm_source=twitter_owned_tdb

[Strange Brew]

Oops. Biting the hand that feeds you:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nrcc-quietly-backs-off-attacking-bud-lightits-own-major-donor/?via=twitter_page&utm_medium=socialflow&utm_campaign=owned_social&utm_source=twitter_owned_tdb

Thanks for the post from the Beast. I’m sure it’s accurate. Ha. Ha. Haha.

[paulxu]

Deleted tweet from National Republican Congressional Committee. I'm sure it's accurate. Ha. ha. Haha.

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1688,w_3000,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_690/fl_lossy,q_auto/230415-budlight-kozie-embed_dm987e

[Strange Brew]

Deleted tweet from National Republican Congressional Committee. I'm sure it's accurate. Ha. ha. Haha.

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1688,w_3000,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_690/fl_lossy,q_auto/230415-budlight-kozie-embed_dm987e

That’s pretty funny actually regardless of what one thinks about the BL ad campaign.

[xuwillie]

That’s pretty funny actually regardless of what one thinks about the BL ad campaign.

I’d buy them and use them proudly! Funny as sh*t on so many levels

[Strange Brew]

I’d buy them and use them proudly! Funny as sh*t on so many levels

It’s hilarious and brought to you by the, “Real Men of Genius”. :)

Those ads are all time greats.

A 12000 calorie salad….still laughing.

Edit: Piling on a bit here. There will be cautionary tale case studies on this Marketing campaign at biz schools in the not too distant future.

[paulxu]

What really would be funny is, after being suckered by some idiot with a ball bat that he's really going to ship you a $30 six pack "next" month, you discover that your stupid rush to be funny about Bud Light costs you a half million in corporate donations from Anheuser Busch.

[Strange Brew]

What really would be funny is, after being suckered by some idiot with a ball bat that he's really going to ship you a $30 six pack "next" month, you discover that your stupid rush to be funny about Bud Light costs you a half million in corporate donations from Anheuser Busch.

I’m not sure if “they” need the donations. You and the Beast have given “them” a greater reach.

Ponder that for a sec.

And what’s wrong with baseball Paul? :)

Edit: No sane person is going to buy a $30 sixer. I understand you think it’s a clever ploy to increase margins however Bud makes its money on volume as no one really wants a BL.

BTW, the fact that a $30 sixer exists says a lot about US monetary policy. Which has been garbage for 20+ years.

[bobbiemcgee]

The "about face" by the RNCC and the trumps was pretty hilarious.

[Strange Brew]

The "about face" by the RNCC and the trumps was pretty hilarious.

Every time I read you posts I get dumber.

[paulxu]

Edit: No sane person is going to buy a $30 sixer.

That's a good point. But some "anti-wokers" are gonna spend it to get that guy's Dad's Ultra Right shipped to them. (if it ever does. Could be a total grift like Trump University)

You and I may not think they're not sane, but Noteggs says the guy will make a shit ton of $. Some suckers will actually do it.

[Strange Brew]

That's a good point. But some "anti-wokers" are gonna spend it to get that guy's Dad's Ultra Right shipped to them. (if it ever does. Could be a total grift like Trump University)

You and I may not think they're not sane, but Noteggs says the guy will make a shit ton of $. Some suckers will actually do it.

Tha hell are you even typing. “Anti-woker”? What is this nonsense?

Grab a sharpie and March somewhere else.

[bobbiemcgee]

Every time I read you posts I get dumber.

Maybe you just started out that way.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you just started out that way.

NM, thank you sir. :)

[paulxu]

Strange, did you even see the commercial we're talking about? It's not from Bud.

[xubrew]

Whether or not you agree or disagree with what Bud Light did, they certainly made this guy a shit ton of money…

https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1646166561919492099?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

This is one of the most ingenious grifts I have ever seen!! He is separating idiots from their money in such a way that it is an art form! Regardless of where you line up politically, you do kind of have to admire this guy! This is BRILLIANT!!

[xubrew]

Tha hell are you even typing. “Anti-woker”? What is this nonsense?

Grab a sharpie and March somewhere else.

Watch the commercial and catch back up to the conversation.



Strange, did you even see the commercial we're talking about? It's not from Bud.

Obviously not!!

[Smails]

This is one of the most ingenious grifts I have ever seen!! He is separating idiots from their money in such a way that it is an art form! Regardless of where you line up politically, you do kind of have to admire this guy! This is BRILLIANT!!

The Lincoln Project should hire him...immediately

[GoMuskies]

The Lincoln Project should hire him...immediately

For sure. And the dude should have a column with the Bulwark, too.

[STL_XUfan]

This is one of the most ingenious grifts I have ever seen!! He is separating idiots from their money in such a way that it is an art form! Regardless of where you line up politically, you do kind of have to admire this guy! This is BRILLIANT!!
I can't wait for it come out that he just relabeled cans of budlight he bought wholesale to fill the orders.

[xubrew]

I can't wait for it come out that he just relabeled cans of budlight he bought wholesale to fill the orders.

Oh God I hope so!!!

[paulxu]

Not to point out how big a grift it is, for those who feel compelled to spend the $34 for this guys six pack of beer....but....

10 days before the tweet advertising his NEW beer (UltraRight) on April 12th, he was making fun of ALL beers because they lower testosterone on April 2nd.

https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1642692805955919875

[noteggs]

Not like the dude cares, think his ESG/DEI scores will be at rock bottom. Speaking of DEI, this is probably part of the reason InBev lost 5 billion.

Speaking of biting the hand that feeds you. Wonder if other corporations will take notice?

[Masterofreality]

Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the biggest grift in this whole affair is Dylan Muvaney mocking real women by acting like a preteen Barbie girl that no true woman does-and playing the wokesters for millions of dollars pandering to the .05% of the population who is *maybe trans.
How far this country has fallen.

[paulxu]

Guess it costs $787 million for Rupert not to testify.

[Masterofreality]

Guess it costs $787 million for Rupert not to testify.

Truly. Who cares? With the mess the country is in under Biden & Dems, this a pimple on an elephant’s ass.
I notice you didn’t post a thing about CNN paying out multi millions to the Covington Catholic kid for his successful defamation suit.
Lots of trash reporting out there from everywhere. Left wing BuzzFeed is basically out of business and bull crap Gawker is. MSNBC is right on the edge daily. They’ll get theirs someday.
If outlets keep pushing envelopes, they will get nailed. All of them.
Fox is going nowhere no matter how much you want them to. They are the #1 Cable News outlet- By Far- for a reason..
Sorry for your consternation.

[Xville]

Truly. Who cares? With the mess the country is in under Biden & Dems, this a pimple on an elephant’s ass.
I notice you didn’t post a thing about CNN paying out multi millions to the Covington Catholic kid for his successful defamation suit.
Lots of trash reporting out there from everywhere. Left wing BuzzFeed is basically out of business and bull crap Gawker is. MSNBC is right on the edge daily. They’ll get theirs someday.
If outlets keep pushing envelopes, they will get nailed. All of them.
Fox is going nowhere no matter how much you want them to. They are the #1 Cable News outlet- By Far- for a reason..
Sorry for your consternation.

Wow good for them! King of the worsening of our society. Something to really be proud of.

[paulxu]

Doesn't worry me at all. Not a lot of mystery that Fox opinion hosts lie all the time.
This time it cost them money.
The use to have good straight news reporting with Shepard Smith, and a few others. They're gone.

[GoMuskies]

The media really has made a complete mockery of themselves as a group the last 10-15 years (and especially since Trump became a political figure). It's very sad.

[X-band '01]

Took Fox long enough to realize that paying $787 million might have been more preferable to $1.6 billion dollars plus potential punitive damages.

Would have looked forward to seeing Hannity and Tuckkker on the stand, though.

[Xville]

The media really has made a complete mockery of themselves as a group the last 10-15 years (and especially since Trump became a political figure). It's very sad.

True dat. The world would be much better off without cable and internet news.

[X-band '01]

Truly. Who cares? With the mess the country is in under Biden & Dems, this a pimple on an elephant’s ass.
I notice you didn’t post a thing about CNN paying out multi millions to the Covington Catholic kid for his successful defamation suit.
Lots of trash reporting out there from everywhere. Left wing BuzzFeed is basically out of business and bull crap Gawker is. MSNBC is right on the edge daily. They’ll get theirs someday.
If outlets keep pushing envelopes, they will get nailed. All of them.
Fox is going nowhere no matter how much you want them to. They are the #1 Cable News outlet- By Far- for a reason..
Sorry for your consternation.

Pretty sure Newsmax and OANN still have to face the music against Dominion, though. They don't have the deep pockets that Fox does, either.

[noteggs]

The media really has made a complete mockery of themselves as a group the last 10-15 years (and especially since Trump became a political figure). It's very sad.

This is the correct answer. Is it too late to go back? Unfortunately I think it is…

[bjf123]

Doesn't worry me at all. Not a lot of mystery that Fox opinion hosts lie all the time.
This time it cost them money.
The use to have good straight news reporting with Shepard Smith, and a few others. They're gone.

I think it’s safe to say that the opinion hosts all l news networks lie all the time. They’ll take comments and clips out of context to make them appear to say exactly what they want.

The really sad part is there are a lot of people who think Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, etc., are reporting news and not their biased opinions.


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[xubrew]

The media really has made a complete mockery of themselves as a group the last 10-15 years (and especially since Trump became a political figure). It's very sad.

All major news media is owned and/or controlled by entertainment production companies such as Universal, Paramount, Turner, Fox Entertainment, etc. They look at the news through the same lens as they look at entertainment through. They want a big audience. They want to engage people. Two of the most effective ways to engage people are to scare them and/or make them mad. If you can do that, you've hooked your audience. They'll keep coming back for more.

Fox News wouldn't be #1 without the liberals. That's a big part of their audience. It makes them mad, and they don't have enough self discipline to watch something else. As much as they hate Tucker Carlson, they keep watching his show. Talk about a grift!! It's not NEARLY as awesome as the Ultra Right Beer guy, but it is a grift nonetheless.

[xubrew]

The media really has made a complete mockery of themselves as a group the last 10-15 years (and especially since Trump became a political figure). It's very sad.

GREAT point!

All major news media is owned and/or controlled by entertainment production companies such as Universal, Paramount, Turner, Fox Entertainment, etc. They look at the news through the same lens as they look at entertainment through. They want a big audience. They want to engage people. Two of the most effective ways to engage people are to scare them and/or make them mad. If you can do that, you've hooked your audience. They'll keep coming back for more.

Fox News wouldn't be #1 without the liberals. That's a big part of their audience. It makes them mad, and they don't have enough self discipline to watch something else. As much as they hate Tucker Carlson, they keep watching his show. Talk about a grift!! It's not NEARLY as awesome as the Ultra Right Beer guy, but it is a grift nonetheless.

[paulxu]

I'm a "liberal" and watched the Fox News part as I indicated, as with the WSJ they had good news. The fact that some of their people bailed (like Smith) is an indication of how the opinion side took over. I certainly don't spend time watching the people who just caused them to pony up 3/4 of a billion dollars spreading lies. What would be the point in that?

[xubrew]

I'm a "liberal" and watched the Fox News part as I indicated, as with the WSJ they had good news. The fact that some of their people bailed (like Smith) is an indication of how the opinion side took over. I certainly don't spend time watching the people who just caused them to pony up 3/4 of a billion dollars spreading lies. What would be the point in that?

A lot of people do, which is a big part of why they do it, which is NOT how it used to be in the media industry but is certainly how it is now and has been for at least the last twenty years.

[bobbiemcgee]

It ain't over for Fox. Still have the 2.7 bln Smartmatic suit. Plus Rudi, Powell and the My Pillow guy. They wanted to avoid having their top celebrities lie on the stand for 6 weeks.

[Strange Brew]

I'm a "liberal" and watched the Fox News part as I indicated, as with the WSJ they had good news. The fact that some of their people bailed (like Smith) is an indication of how the opinion side took over. I certainly don't spend time watching the people who just caused them to pony up 3/4 of a billion dollars spreading lies. What would be the point in that?

Do you still watch CNN?

[paulxu]

Do you still watch CNN?

I rotate between a variety of news feeds, and still occasionally Fox's News hour, and the WSJ.
The latter often has opinion pieces in contradiction to their news facts, so it can be difficult. They certainly articulate the conservative opinion, but can stray from the facts.

This is what Smith said about his departure, in the middle of a 3 year contract:

Smith, now host of the nightly show “The News with Shepard Smith” at 7 pm ET on CNBC, told Amanpour that his presence on Fox became untenable as opinion shows on the network spread falsehoods that hosts knew were lies.

“Opine all you like, but if you’re going to opine, begin with the truth and opine from there,” Smith said. “When people begin with a false premise and lead people astray, that’s injurious to society and it’s the antithesis of what we should be doing: Those of us who are so honored and grateful to have a platform of public influence have to use it for the public good.”

The underlined part of that quote just cost them 3/4 of a billion. It's one thing to have a reasonable opinion grounded on facts. It's quite another to. night after night, spread lies that you know are lies. Somebody like Fox, with their enormous viewership, can really lead people astray, and convince them of things that aren't real. With real world consequences.

[xubrew]

We've seen this before. Joseph Pullitzer was full of shit. "Yellow Journalism" was a pseudonym for "bullshit journalism" and it got it's name because of the yellow tinted newsprint in Pullitzer's papers. And he's got an award named after him.

We had a good run of good media and journalism after a very long stretch where it was not trustworthy. Now that appears that may be ending. It is once again not trustworthy.

[Smails]

I rotate between a variety of news feeds, and still occasionally Fox's News hour, and the WSJ.
The latter often has opinion pieces in contradiction to their news facts, so it can be difficult. They certainly articulate the conservative opinion, but can stray from the facts.

This is what Smith said about his departure, in the middle of a 3 year contract:


The underlined part of that quote just cost them 3/4 of a billion. It's one thing to have a reasonable opinion grounded on facts. It's quite another to. night after night, spread lies that you know are lies. Somebody like Fox, with their enormous viewership, can really lead people astray, and convince them of things that aren't real. With real world consequences.

So we'll try this again: Do you still watch CNN?

[paulxu]

So we'll try this again: Do you still watch CNN?

Sure, it's part of my rotation. Why? Because they screwed up and paid something on the Cov Cath kid.
They all make mistakes. And most own up to them.
Maybe not to the ongoing extent like Fox. All you have to do there is read Tucker and Hannity's emails to know why Fox settled.

[xubrew]

So we'll try this again: Do you still watch CNN?

I’ve liked some of the documentaries they’ve made/aired. Newsmax had some really good ones too, but they were almost always on in the middle of the night and DirecTV dropped them for whatever reason.

[bobbiemcgee]

Newsmax and OAN are toast. No $'s to settle. Expect them to follow the Alex jones model and go bust.

[Smails]

Sure, it's part of my rotation. Why? Because they screwed up and paid something on the Cov Cath kid.
They all make mistakes. And most own up to them.
Maybe not to the ongoing extent like Fox. All you have to do there is read Tucker and Hannity's emails to know why Fox settled.

You just can't help yourself, can you? LOL... Yes...BUT!

[paulxu]

$5 million from the My Pillow idiot to one computer guy who showed his "evidence" of a stolen election was all bogus.

Guess it was a My Pillow ad in reality.

[MADXSTER]

I'm not saying that the election was stolen but I can see why Trump would have been paranoid. Being impeached on a false story in which those in the know knew the story was false and still went along with the impeachment is not what I thought America was about. After a political coup such as that would have made any candidate paranoid regarding the election.

[Masterofreality]

Whistleblower gonna blow the lid off of the Hunter Biden Tax evasion investigation being slow walked by the IRS and FBI.
Get your popcorn ready.

[paulxu]

MadX, just curious. What was the "false story?" His phone call to Ukraine?

[bobbiemcgee]

$5 million from the My Pillow idiot to one computer guy who showed his "evidence" of a stolen election was all bogus.

Guess it was a My Pillow ad in reality.

Deadbeat

[Masterofreality]

Deadbeat

You mean Hunter Biden???

[noteggs]

This one is interesting and a real head scratcher. Sooo….if you have a good credit score you’ll be paying more in interest. And not so good you’ll be paying less?

What’s up is down and visa versa. If I didn’t own my home, think I would just trash my credit to refinance. Ok not really because of the doubling of interest rates over the last year or so.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/apr/18/joe-biden-hike-payments-good-credit-homebuyers-sub/

[bjf123]

This one is interesting and a real head scratcher. Sooo….if you have a good credit score you’ll be paying more in interest. And not so good you’ll be paying less?

What’s up is down and visa versa. If I didn’t own my home, think I would just trash my credit to refinance. Ok not really because of the doubling of interest rates over the last year or so.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/apr/18/joe-biden-hike-payments-good-credit-homebuyers-sub/

The link is behind a paywall. I caught the tail end of a news story about this, but didn’t get the details. I’ve tried it find a story about it with no luck.

[noteggs]

The link is behind a paywall. I caught the tail end of a news story about this, but didn’t get the details. I’ve tried it find a story about it with no luck.

What! Legacy media didn’t cover this!

Here is another link (people don’t like Fox much these days). From what what I understand, interest rates for scores over 680 will go up 1.75%. Those under will go down 1%.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/biden-rule-redistribute-high-risk-loan-costs-homeowners-good-credit

[Masterofreality]

Yes. Let’s believe The NY Times:

New Senate report offers more details on the lab leak theory: At this point it’s close to consensus that Covid came from a lab. Or, as a new Senate report puts it: “The preponderance of information affirms the plausibility of a research-related incident that was likely unintentional resulting from failures of biosafety containment during vaccine-related research.” Someone was way under the word count for that one.

The report also finds that China was working on a Covid vaccine months before we in the U.S. knew about Covid, indicating that China knew about the leak and worked to hide it while secretly scrambling to protect themselves. Because they’re communists, their vaccine was never much good. But still. It’s the thought that counts, and the thought was bad.

Never forget that the lab leak was a “conspiracy theory” that the New York Times’ head Covid reporter called “racist.

[Uncle Joe]

Someone mentioned the Las Vegas shooter recently. I highly encourage anyone interested in this story to watch the film at the bottom of this article. The meat of the film begins at roughly the 4-min mark: https://thelibertydaily.com/youtubes-gaslighting-about-las-vegas-mass-murderer-stephen-paddock-explained-by-someone-who-investigated/

[paulxu]

Joe, are you related to a guy named Lou?

[noteggs]

I wonder why so many people were so reluctant to believe the lab leak theory? Oh yea, politics because we didn’t want to ruin the reputation of Saint Fauci.

I’m not blaming the actual leak 100% on China because mistakes happen. However, the potential cover up is 100% on China. Think about, they had the genetic sequence for several months before presenting it to world. This potential time lapse may have cost us and the world millions of lives (my opinion).


I remember back in the early months of covid, we didn’t even know if the virus was aerosolized or surface based. Also, remember lubing up with sanitizer or searching pharmacies for supplies.

China knew this was an aerosol virus while the rest of the world was grasping at straws for answers. This has been such a CF on so many levels.

[GoMuskies]

Joe, are you related to a guy named Lou?

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence Paul!

[Xville]

Joe, are you related to a guy named Lou?

Thought that idiot was gone for good. I guess we just picked up his buddy

[STL_XUfan]

I'm sure it's all just a coincidence Paul!
You should know that there are no coincidences. Open your eyes and see just how deep the the Uncle Joe/Lou conspiracy theory goes.

[bobbiemcgee]

You mean Hunter Biden???

Could careless if Hunter gets indicted. He should do his time like trump should. On the other hand, lindell made his 5 million dollar challenge and a guy debunked it and now he refuses to pay up. - deadbeat.

[Masterofreality]

Truly. Who cares? With the mess the country is in under Biden & Dems, this a pimple on an elephant’s ass.
I notice you didn’t post a thing about CNN paying out multi millions to the Covington Catholic kid for his successful defamation suit.
Lots of trash reporting out there from everywhere. Left wing BuzzFeed is basically out of business and bull crap Gawker is. MSNBC is right on the edge daily. They’ll get theirs someday.
If outlets keep pushing envelopes, they will get nailed. All of them.
Fox is going nowhere no matter how much you want them to. They are the #1 Cable News outlet- By Far- for a reason..
Sorry for your consternation.

Update. Buzzfeed is now out of business. Hell of a job group.

[bobbiemcgee]

Did the CC kid get 788 million? Must have missed that.

[paulxu]

If the #1 Cable News Network spends years peddling lies, and eventually has to pay the big bucks for doing so....you might think some people who are so enamored by them being #1 would wake up and say "I've been suckered!"

Then again...maybe not.

[X-band '01]

Did the CC kid get 788 million? Must have missed that.

I'm not sure what the total was for Sandmann, but CNN and the Washington Post whiffed badly on how they covered him and his classmates. Now it wasn't Fox-bad, but it was bad enough that he and his family/future family will be set for life.

[bobbiemcgee]

SCOTUS stops abortion pill ban

[Masterofreality]

SCOTUS stops abortion pill ban

As they should have

[Masterofreality]

If the #1 Cable News Network spends years peddling lies, and eventually has to pay the big bucks for doing so....you might think some people who are so enamored by them being #1 would wake up and say "I've been suckered!"

Then again...maybe not.

Exact same deal as CNN. Same principle. Money irrelevant, but you know and ignore that.
And CNN used to be #1 until people realized they were being suckered.

[noteggs]

I love a good conspiracy but that one on the Vegas shooter is a bit of a doozy. However, let’s not forget the right doesn’t have a monopoly on them. The left along with the legacy media have their fair share.

A few come to mind are Trump colluded with the Russians, white replacement theory, and Hunter’s laptop story which intel and FBI knew it wasn’t fake. All sides do this shit! Unfortunately

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmm, this seems like a real threat to democracy.
Only part of it is not behind a paywall, but you’ll get the idea.
I doubt those lefty’s on here will comment much- just like CNN and MSNBC just ignore..

https://www.racket.news/p/news-blackout-in-effect?utm_campaign=post

[paulxu]

The letter from the intelligence officials in the Times was an opinion piece, as the laptop stuff had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
The laptop was in the possession of Trump and Barr's DOJ and FBI. I'd think if they had something, they would have acted.
A forensic examination of the hard drive showed files loaded onto the laptop AFTER it was out of Hunter's possession. Who knows who loaded them.

If Hunter Biden (unlike Jared 2 billion from the Saudi's Kushner, or Ivanka the daughter) actually worked for the US government we might be more concerned.

But you all are so hung up on this laptop, dick picks and the habits of a non-government employee former drug addict, you can't get over yourselves.
If anyone did something wrong, hold them accountable.
The fact that former intelligence officials, with decades of service to our country, seemed to think it looked like Russian disinformation is not out of line. That some preferred Biden over a second Trump term....that seems eminently reasonable.

[paulxu]

Also, both the Post and CNN had articles covering this situation:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/21/politics/hunter-biden-laptop-story-antony-blinken/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/21/hunter-biden-laptop-jim-jordan/

Nobody is "ignoring" Jordan's antics. He gets plenty of press.

In regard to Hunter's real jeopardy, the AG in Delaware, who Biden left in place so there wasn't any conspiracy nonsense of "covering up for his son," is looking at
Possible charges are two misdemeanor counts for failure to file taxes, a single felony count of tax evasion and a felony count related to a gun purchase.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/federal-prosecutors-hunter-biden-taxes-gun-charge-rcna80692

[Masterofreality]

The letter from the intelligence officials in the Times was an opinion piece, as the laptop stuff had all the earmarks of Russian disinformation.
The laptop was in the possession of Trump and Barr's DOJ and FBI. I'd think if they had something, they would have acted.
A forensic examination of the hard drive showed files loaded onto the laptop AFTER it was out of Hunter's possession. Who knows who loaded them.

If Hunter Biden (unlike Jared 2 billion from the Saudi's Kushner, or Ivanka the daughter) actually worked for the US government we might be more concerned.

But you all are so hung up on this laptop, dick picks and the habits of a non-government employee former drug addict, you can't get over yourselves.
If anyone did something wrong, hold them accountable.
The fact that former intelligence officials, with decades of service to our country, seemed to think it looked like Russian disinformation is not out of line. That some preferred Biden over a second Trump term....that seems eminently reasonable.

Yo boy has huge tax evasion problems. They may very well extend to Joe Biden and China ties through Hunter. Merrick Garland very possibly lied to Congress and you see no problem with that? Amazing how you love whistleblowers when they are processing your side and not the other.
And “Russian Disinformation” vs Trump was funded and promoted by the Clinton campaign. Trump did nothing wrong so he was never needed to be “held accountable” no matter how long you screech it.
And now, because it’s your side, officials who are supposed to be non partisan in their jobs now feel free to influence elections? Talk about a threat to Democracy!!! Thanks for confirming my statement.

Jim Jordan’s “antics” are what are called Congressional Oversight. Adam Schiff is the biggest Antic Clown in DC, yet you never called his trash “antics”. Still waiting for him to produce that verified info about “Russian Collusion”.
If Ivanka and Jared did something wrong no matter how much you want to scream it where are the charges now from a Dem totally controlled DOJ?
Get real.

By the way. US Saudi relations are now at the lowest point in history thanks to Biden malfeasance. The Saudis are now cozing up to Iran and CHINA!! Great job all!!

[paulxu]

Merrick Garland very possibly lied to Congress and you see no problem with that?

Perfect. First I get a boo-hoo sob story about a "blackout" by the "media" from a website called Racket News that says the media (CNN, etc) is not reporting a major story
So I have to link CNN and the Post as examples of the media reporting the story. (I don't think the folks at "Racket News" are in touch with reality)

Then I'm suppose to have a "problem" with Merrick Garland "very possibly lied" to Congress.
Can't make this stuff up.

I have a "problem" with Fox, et al. admittedly lying to the American people for years about a "stolen election" and all that went with that.

[Masterofreality]

Perfect. First I get a boo-hoo sob story about a "blackout" by the "media" from a website called Racket News that says the media (CNN, etc) is not reporting a major story
So I have to link CNN and the Post as examples of the media reporting the story. (I don't think the folks at "Racket News" are in touch with reality)

Then I'm suppose to have a "problem" with Merrick Garland "very possibly lied" to Congress.
Can't make this stuff up.

I have a "problem" with Fox, et al. admittedly lying to the American people for years about a "stolen election" and all that went with that.

Matt Taibbi is a qualified fair journalist and an actual liberal, but you have a problem with HIM!!
Uh, YOU are part of the problem.
Incredibly ludicrous.

[paulxu]

Matt Taibbi? The guy who thought the Biden campaign asking Twitter to take down pictures of Hunter's dick that violated their own terms of service....and called it government censorship.
That Matt Taibbi?
The guy who thought the FBI advising Twitter of information being posted that violated their own terms of service was government intervention.
Than Matt Taibbi?
The guy who with Bari Weiss has left Twitter after a spat with Elon?

Surely you jest.

[Masterofreality]

Matt Taibbi? The guy who thought the Biden campaign asking Twitter to take down pictures of Hunter's dick that violated their own terms of service....and called it government censorship.
That Matt Taibbi?
The guy who thought the FBI advising Twitter of information being posted that violated their own terms of service was government intervention.
Than Matt Taibbi?
The guy who with Bari Weiss has left Twitter after a spat with Elon?

Surely you jest.

And surely you lie. Matt Taibbi did not leave Twitter and your version of characterizations is flat wrong. You should read his and Bari Weiss’ stuff rather than hanging on every morsel of shady information you get from CNN and MSNBC. Watching cable news ruins your mind.
By the way, Mr. Caring Democrat. What say you to this atrocity and other atrocities that are happening daily in Democrat run cities.
Nice that you are protected from it by living in well run Republican South Carolina. You should move to Chicago with your brethren.
(But you won’t)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/04/22/bill_maher_why_arent_major_black_celebrities_askin g_why_black_people_are_killing_each_other_in_citie s_like_chicago.html

[noteggs]

Mayday mayday we have a problem. The democrats are in trouble and we (media) need to save our ass because we have been silent for 2 and half years (goes for Fox as well).

Ok what is the difference in Fox lying for months after the election or intelligence lying prior to the election? To this day, unfortunately each side has already dug in their heels on lies. Both should have admitted their mistakes two years ago. This sucks and we need better!

[Masterofreality]

Mayday mayday we have a problem. The democrats are in trouble and we (media) need to save our ass because we have been silent for 2 and half years (goes for Fox as well).

Ok what is the difference in Fox lying for months after the election or intelligence lying prior to the election? To this day, unfortunately each side has already dug in their heels on lies. Both should have admitted their mistakes two years ago. This sucks and we need better!

Because media/intelligence lying BEFORE the election caused people to vote a different way than they possibly would have.
That occurrence has caused this dumpster fire that the country is in now with open borders, high inflation, high energy prices, bad foreign policy, an embarrassment in Afghanistan and cities racked with violence.
Elections have consequences and media lies/coverups that influenced these elections, have consequences too. These consequences are horrible.

[Masterofreality]

And, yeah. Paul’s MSNBC is such a reliable and quality source. LOL

https://thespectator.com/topic/mehdi-hasan-exposed-plagiarism-msnbc/

[Masterofreality]

Because media/intelligence lying BEFORE the election caused people to vote a different way than they possibly would have.
That occurrence has caused this dumpster fire that the country is in now with open borders, high inflation, high energy prices, bad foreign policy, an embarrassment in Afghanistan and cities racked with violence.
Elections have consequences and media lies/coverups that influenced these elections, have consequences too. These consequences are horrible.

And as a result of the consequences 2 1/2 years later???

Paul’s CNN's John King says: “Joe Biden is asking for four more years — when 74% of Americans think the country is heading the wrong way, it's hard for the boss to say, 'Give me four more years.'"

[paulxu]

And surely you lie. Matt Taibbi did not leave Twitter and your version of characterizations is flat wrong.

I didn't lie. Taibbi left Twitter. He may be back. And he did post Hunter Biden dick pics on twitter, which were taken down. The same pics that the Biden campaign asked to be taken down during the election cycle for violating twitters rules.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-taibbi-who-said-i-wouldnt-wipe-my-ass-with-twitter-is-tweeting-again

[bjf123]

I didn't lie. Taibbi left Twitter. He may be back. And he did post Hunter Biden dick pics on twitter, which were taken down. The same pics that the Biden campaign asked to be taken down during the election cycle for violating twitters rules.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-taibbi-who-said-i-wouldnt-wipe-my-ass-with-twitter-is-tweeting-again

He must not have been gone long. He’s been tweeting today.


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[Masterofreality]

I didn't lie. Taibbi left Twitter. He may be back. And he did post Hunter Biden dick pics on twitter, which were taken down. The same pics that the Biden campaign asked to be taken down during the election cycle for violating twitters rules.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/matt-taibbi-who-said-i-wouldnt-wipe-my-ass-with-twitter-is-tweeting-again

Liar. Taibbi is tweeting today. You are so easily duped. Maybe Hunter shouldn’t have taken Dick pics? But of course you blame the reporter, not the perpetrator.
I’m sure that you believed the debunked Trump pee tape too.
You should read and subscribe to Bari Weiss’ web site “The Free Press”. It has great and diverse journalists on it. It might actually open your ridiculously closed mind to reality.

[xubrew]

Has anyone noticed that people are getting shot for dumber and dumber reasons??

-A teenager rang the wrong doorbell

-A six year old went after his ball that went into someone else's yard

-A cheerleader opened the wrong car door, apologized for the mistake, and after getting into the correct car was shot along with the others who were in the car

-Someone pulled into a driveway to turn around


How could ANYONE be in this situation and feel like their safety is being threatened?? Much less threatened to the point of needing to use lethal force to defend yourself?? These people are either so paranoid that they need to be placed in an institution, or for whatever sick reason they were looking for a reason to shoot someone. People who feel like lethal force is an appropriate response because a six-year-old's basketball rolled into their yard should categorically NOT own a gun! They shouldn't be walking around at all because the outside world just may not be for them. Tell the girlscouts that when they go out into the neighborhoods to sell their cookies they better watch the fuck out!!!

None of these people were in any danger whatsoever and had no reason at all to think that they were. Has no one ever rang their doorbell before?? Has a child's ball never gone into their yard before?? Has no one ever pulled into their driveway to turn around before?? These are normal every day occasions that can now get you shot??

At what point do we start putting parameters and restrictions on guns?? That's not the same as repealing the 2nd Amendment, and anyone who says that it is is a fucking idiot. The FIRST Amendment has limitations. No one, and I do mean NO ONE, would spend more than five seconds listening to some sicko trying to argue that the 1st Amendment protects his right to produce and distribute child pornography. Anyone who tried to argue that was some constitutional crisis would be beaten unconscious right on the spot. NO ONE disputes that!! No one thinks that's a violation of the 1st Amendment. It also guarantees freedom of religion, yet religious cults can still be prosecuted. It guarantees the right to assemble, but there are parameters on that as well.

SO WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE ALWAYS AGAINST EVEN DISCUSSING PUTTING PARAMETERS AT ALL ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT???? If the very idea of child pornography laws being revoked sickens you, then the idea of children getting shot should also sicken you! Let's try and reduce the likelihood of such things happening!! I would hope people would think that people who getting senselessly shot more and more often and us not doing anything about it would be a violation of The Preamble.

I understand wanting to buy guns for purposes that are very much within the law. But wouldn't it be in EVERYONE's best interest to try and make it harder for people who want to buy guns simply because they want to shoot someone to get them?? We can do that without revoking or even violating the 2nd Amendment. Especially if know the history of it and why it's there (which I'm convinced most American's don't). Hell, the actual verbiage of it is WELL REGULATED MILITIA. One could argue we are all in violation of the 2nd Amendment right now because we do such a poor job of regulating it. Hell, we are among the worst in the world at regulating it!!

[xukeith]

Why should civilians carry and use military rifles? There are so many options.

[bjf123]

I understand wanting to buy guns for purposes that are very much within the law. But wouldn't it be in EVERYONE's best interest to try and make it harder for people who want to buy guns simply because they want to shoot someone to get them?? We can do that without revoking or even violating the 2nd Amendment. Especially if know the history of it and why it's there (which I'm convinced most American's don't). Hell, the actual verbiage of it is WELL REGULATED MILITIA. One could argue we are all in violation of the 2nd Amendment right now because we do such a poor job of regulating it. Hell, we are among the worst in the world at regulating it!!

And how do you propose to “make it harder for people who want to buy guns simply because they want to shoot someone to get them??”? There are patient confidentiality laws that make it tough to factor in medical and psychological records in background checks. You certainly won’t get a truthful answer if a question on a form to buy a gun is “Do you want to shoot someone?”.


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[xubrew]

And how do you propose to “make it harder for people who want to buy guns simply because they want to shoot someone to get them??”? There are patient confidentiality laws that make it tough to factor in medical and psychological records in background checks. You certainly won’t get a truthful answer if a question on a form to buy a gun is “Do you want to shoot someone?”.


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Good question.

I’m not going to claim to have an answer that will suddenly fix everything. What I will say is that starting in the mid-90s, the restrictions and safeguards that were in place started to go away, and every time additional safeguards were introduced they were defeated. The goalposts have been moved back more and more and more. Gun deaths have steadily increased over the past 25 years, and now it seems more than just a steady increase. It’s an EXPONENTIAL increase!!

So, my first thought is to take a look at what was different in, say, 1993, and maybe consider working to bring some of those restrictions back.

[paulxu]

Two milestones.

1994-2004 there were additional restrictions and a ban on many assault type weapons.
Gun deaths are now the number 1 cause of death of children and adolescents.

[xuphan]

Two milestones.

1994-2004 there were additional restrictions and a ban on many assault type weapons.
Gun deaths are now the number 1 cause of death of children and adolescents.

Guns are the most common item used by individuals with the sole purpose of killing them. Guns are widely available, pretty easy to use and typically achieve the intended outcome. However, the gun debate has several layers. For example, a loaded gun itself doesnÂ’t kill someone. A human kill someone. Why do we have an increase of humans killing humans? Why does this generation of humans kill more humans? I think there is more to this than gun control. Around 2000, we saw a major technology boom which has allowed this generation to have easy access to all sorts of content and information. In the past 10 years, adolescents and children have access to the internet through cell phones. I truly believe that we will find out in the next couple of decades the negative impacts cell phones are having on our young generation of kids. We have also seen an increase in poverty, political hate, loss of community (especially with Covid lockdowns) which have all negatively impacted our country. This problem wonÂ’t get better only through gun control. There are bigger societal issues that needs to be addressing.

[xubrew]

Guns are the most common item used by individuals with the sole purpose of killing them. Guns are widely available, pretty easy to use and typically achieve the intended outcome. However, the gun debate has several layers. For example, a loaded gun itself doesnÂ’t kill someone. A human kill someone. Why do we have an increase of humans killing humans? Why does this generation of humans kill more humans? I think there is more to this than gun control. Around 2000, we saw a major technology boom which has allowed this generation to have easy access to all sorts of content and information. In the past 10 years, adolescents and children have access to the internet through cell phones. I truly believe that we will find out in the next couple of decades the negative impacts cell phones are having on our young generation of kids. We have also seen an increase in poverty, political hate, loss of community (especially with Covid lockdowns) which have all negatively impacted our country. This problem wonÂ’t get better only through gun control. There are bigger societal issues that needs to be addressing.

I certainly do not think cellphones and social media has helped the situation, but we seem to be the only western country where shootings and mass shootings are happening at this rate. So while that may be a factor, it can’t be the only reason.

[paulxu]

Brew, you might find this interesting in regard to regional differences and the data regarding gun violence.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

[GoMuskies]

How about making the penaties for violating gun laws draconian?

[xubrew]

Brew, you might find this interesting in regard to regional differences and the data regarding gun violence.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

Thank you! That was VERY interesting!

[xubrew]

How about making the penaties for violating gun laws draconian?

I'm listening...

[bobbiemcgee]

Tucker out.

[GoMuskies]

I'm listening...

Weird, I just came across a tweet with Singapore's law on illegal gun possession. 5-14 years in prison and not less than 6 strokes of caning. I'm on board.

[xuwillie]

Weird, I just came across a tweet with Singapore's law on illegal gun possession. 5-14 years in prison and not less than 6 strokes of caning. I'm on board.


Its really the only solution but we have become so soft on crime.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lemon out.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe the two are teaming up!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe the two are teaming up!

That would be something!

Like a political version of Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe?

[xubrew]

I’m certainly not sad that Tucker Carlson is off the air. It’s probably actually a good thing. But for those who are so happy that he’s finally gone, I gotta ask…

If you didn’t like his show, then why did you watch it?? Don’t you realize that if everyone who didn’t like him simply didn’t watch him, they’d have probably gotten rid of him before now.

[GoMuskies]

Ray Epps was definitely a fed.

[boozehound]

I’m certainly not sad that Tucker Carlson is off the air. It’s probably actually a good thing. But for those who are so happy that he’s finally gone, I gotta ask…

If you didn’t like his show, then why did you watch it?? Don’t you realize that if everyone who didn’t like him simply didn’t watch him, they’d have probably gotten rid of him before now.

I think it's more that people view him as purveyor of misinformation (per his own admission in the Dominion texts) and want him off the air for that reason. The problem with that logic is that he will almost certainly be replaced by someone else who will tap into the vein of elderly white rage that Tucker exploited so successfully, so I'm not sure anything gets better.

[paulxu]

I think it's more that people view him as purveyor of misinformation (per his own admission in the Dominion texts) and want him off the air for that reason. The problem with that logic is that he will almost certainly be replaced by someone else who will tap into the vein of elderly white rage that Tucker exploited so successfully, so I'm not sure anything gets better.

This.

[paulxu]

This is an interesting take on the Fox situation. With Lemon, I think they got tired of his bad, internal behavior.
Carlson is more complex. Don't know if Epps played a part, and can't see the Times article about his request for retraction from Carlson.
But too late for that now.

Tucker's emails/texts bad mouthed Trump. Yet he got an interview with him just the other day. That surprised me because I would have thought Trump would hold a grudge about the comments, unless he hadn't read them.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/tucker-carlson-out-at-fox-news

[xuphan]

Lemon out.

Don Lemon most famous interview.

https://youtu.be/QRen8nI8_aM

[xuwillie]

Don Lemon most famous interview.

https://youtu.be/QRen8nI8_aM


Lemon was the worst. Right up there with Joy Reid, would be nice to see her go

[noteggs]

Maybe the two are teaming up!

Looks they can grab a CEO as well. NBCUniversal head just got canned. Trifecta!

[xubrew]

I think it's more that people view him as purveyor of misinformation (per his own admission in the Dominion texts) and want him off the air for that reason. The problem with that logic is that he will almost certainly be replaced by someone else who will tap into the vein of elderly white rage that Tucker exploited so successfully, so I'm not sure anything gets better.

You're not wrong. I'm not going to argue with this at all.

Having said that, the number of people who routinely watch something that they A) know is bullshit, and B) know will make them mad is much higher than what it should be. The media wants to engage as many people as possible, and they know that the most effective way to do that is to scare people and to make people mad. So if someone who shovels bullshit is making you mad and you keep watching it anyway, you're actually playing into their hands. I don't think Tucker Carlson believes his own bullshit. I don't think most of them do. On either side.

[X-band '01]

That would be something!

Like a political version of Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe?

Oh Lawd, the last thing I need is the NBC Nightly News with Skip Bayless.

[boozehound]

You're not wrong. I'm not going to argue with this at all.

Having said that, the number of people who routinely watch something that they A) know is bullshit, and B) know will make them mad is much higher than what it should be. The media wants to engage as many people as possible, and they know that the most effective way to do that is to scare people and to make people mad. So if someone who shovels bullshit is making you mad and you keep watching it anyway, you're actually playing into their hands. I don't think Tucker Carlson believes his own bullshit. I don't think most of them do. On either side.

Well, yeah. That's obviously a problem. I don't consume any televised media any more because it is virtually all bullshit designed to aggravate and inflame.

I'm not really sure the specific mental gymnastics one has to do to continue watching Carlson after seeing what he was texting his co-workers. I'm also not sure the mental gymnastics one has to do to knowingly lie on air every day and not put a gun in their mouth, but as the ever-eloquent Fat Mike from NOFX once stated: "The guilty don't feel guilty, they learn not to".

[xuphan]

Tucker out.

What about Sean Hannity?

[paulxu]

Well, yeah. That's obviously a problem. I don't consume any televised media any more because it is virtually all bullshit designed to aggravate and inflame. 2

I'm not really sure the specific mental gymnastics one has to do to continue watching Carlson after seeing what he was texting his co-workers. I'm also not sure the mental gymnastics one has to do to knowingly lie on air every day and not put a gun in their mouth, but as the ever-eloquent Fat Mike from NOFX once stated: "The guilty don't feel guilty, they learn not to".

What I try to do is avoid the opinion hours. Although not watched any more by many people, the 1/2 hour of nightly news from CBS,NBC etc is just that..news. Gave up on the opinion shows for regular watching a while back. Tune in periodically just to watch the madness, but it's so often devoid of fact that there's not much point.

[X-band '01]

I wonder if anyone at Fox suddenly started selling stock on Friday.......

[bjf123]

What I try to do is avoid the opinion hours. Although not watched any more by many people, the 1/2 hour of nightly news from CBS,NBC etc is just that..news. Gave up on the opinion shows for regular watching a while back. Tune in periodically just to watch the madness, but it's so often devoid of fact that there's not much point.

The only news I watch is local news while having breakfast before work in the morning and sometimes I’ll catch Bret Baier on Fox from 6-7. I haven’t watched any of the opinion hosts on any network in years. I used to enjoy Hannity and Colmes when they co-hosted their show. It was “fair and balanced” as Fox likes to say. I do watch some of Gutfeld while getting ready for bed, but that’s not news. It’s purely entertainment.

I’m hoping with the networks getting rid of people like Carlson, Lemon, Stelter, etc., they might actually get back to actual journalism. Somehow, I doubt it.


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[Masterofreality]

I watch ZERO televised news. Even the broadcast networks slant stories designed to further narratives.
Carlson? Lemon? Who cares.
I read a variety of publications. Yes, even the ludicrous NY Times. The Washington Post is off limits though. There is no redeeming social value to that rag.
Wall Street Journal subscriber and subscribe to the great Bari Weiss’ Substack “The Free Press”. Cincinnati Enquirer subscriber and two other Substack contributors.
Screw all the Cable News networks.
Give me things that make me think. Don’t tell me what I *should think.

[Strange Brew]

I watch ZERO televised news. Even the broadcast networks slant stories designed to further narratives.
Carlson? Lemon? Who cares.
I read a variety of publications. Yes, even the ludicrous NY Times. The Washington Post is off limits though. There is no redeeming social value to that rag.
Wall Street Journal subscriber and subscribe to the great Bari Weiss’ Substack “The Free Press”. Cincinnati Enquirer subscriber and two other Substack contributors.
Screw all the Cable News networks.
Give me things that make me think. Don’t tell me what I *should think.

Well, at least we can get back to talking about cheap beer and guns…..

[Masterofreality]

Interesting take on the Tucker Carlson affair. I didn’t watch his or anyone else’s cable news shows, but from the UK..

https://thespectator.com/topic/rupert-murdoch-fired-tucker-carlson-fox-news-greatest-asset/

[Masterofreality]

By the way, this is an example of the great stuff you get on Spectator for a pretty cheap subscription per month. Numerous journalists, great perspectives.

https://thespectator.com/topic/stanford-students-make-college-fun-strikes-back/

[GoMuskies]

Anyone notice that Biden is running for President again? Yay? Embarrassing.

Also, Nate Silver is going to leave 538. Interesting couple of days.

[Smails]

Anyone notice that Biden is running for President again? Yay? Embarrassing.



What a shi*t show this will be. I'm not sure he'll be able to use the strategy of staying out of the public eye this time around considering he's a sitting President.

[bobbiemcgee]

Interesting take on the Tucker Carlson affair. I didn’t watch his or anyone else’s cable news shows, but from the UK..

https://thespectator.com/topic/rupert-murdoch-fired-tucker-carlson-fox-news-greatest-asset/


By the way, this is an example of the great stuff you get on Spectator for a pretty cheap subscription per month. Numerous journalists, great perspectives.

https://thespectator.com/topic/stanford-students-make-college-fun-strikes-back/

Paywalls -

[bobbiemcgee]

Anyone notice that Biden is running for President again? Yay? Embarrassing.


Not as embarrassing as trump. He may be running from jail.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not as embarrassing as trump. He may be running from jail.

Both a terribly embarrassing.

These two are the best our country can come up with? Seriously? Scary if thats what it comes down to.

I am all for an age limit (in the other direction) to be eligible for President. Science would agree.

[noteggs]

Both a terribly embarrassing.

These two are the best our country can come up with? Seriously? Scary if thats what it comes down to.

I am all for an age limit (in the other direction) to be eligible for President. Science would agree.

Completely agree. It’s not like we don’t have 200 million to choose from! Ok maybe only 50 million because there are a lot of crazies out there.

[GoMuskies]

Not as embarrassing as trump. He may be running from jail.

Trump is also embarrassing, correct.

[Masterofreality]

What a shi*t show this will be. I'm not sure he'll be able to use the strategy of staying out of the public eye this time around considering he's a sitting President.

The campaign from the Delaware basement was an insult to the American people, and the mainstream press allowed it to happen. Then the American public duped themselves into electing a Potemkin President.
You know the media will coddle him again. Has the public wised up?
By the way. Have you noticed that every Republican candidate-even the most Milquetoast- is portrayed to be Satan Incarnate or Worst than Hitler?
The act has worn thin.

[Masterofreality]

Not as embarrassing as trump. He may be running from jail.

If we are telling the truth, BOTH of them may be running from jail. This Biden tax evasion thing ain’t going away.
The “walls are closing in”, you know

[BandAid]

I’m 95% sure Biden will get re-elected. The only chance he doesn’t get re-elected is if Trump doesn’t win the primary AND Trump doesn’t run as a third-party after losing the primary. In fact, 5% is probably too high of a chance those two things happening.

EDIT: Now that I think more about it, there’s probably a greater chance that Biden keels over or is medically unable to serve than those two things happening.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Both parties need to find vastly better candidates but at least the democrats can reason that they are hiding behind the whole incumbent thing (not that I think they should) for the republicans to put Trump back out there as the candidate is nuts.

The only candidate Biden can probably beat is Trump.

[paulxu]

Is Hunter Biden running for President?

[Masterofreality]

Is Hunter Biden running for President?

No, but “The Big Guy” was tied in with Hunter’s shady China business, reportedly.

[noteggs]

Putting the Hunter laptop content aside, will a potential Hunter tax evasion charge hurt Joe’s reelection chances?

Reason why I ask is if he gets Federally charged, Joe will most certainly pardon him. With that said, does it do damage to his increased IRS agents to go after tax cheats? Also, the rich should pay their fair share stuff? Might sound a little hypocritical.

[X-band '01]

Both parties need to find vastly better candidates but at least the democrats can reason that they are hiding behind the whole incumbent thing (not that I think they should) for the republicans to put Trump back out there as the candidate is nuts.

The only candidate Biden can probably beat is Trump.

Biden would also beat Ron DeSantis should those two go head-to-head. But if the Republicans actually find a sane candidate for 2024, then all bets are off.

[paulxu]

I would suspect the charges would result in fines, which he would pay. I can't see his dad granting him a pardon.

[Strange Brew]

Biden would also beat Ron DeSantis should those two go head-to-head. But if the Republicans actually find a sane candidate for 2024, then all bets are off.

Why do you feel Biden would beat DeSantis?

[bobbiemcgee]

Desantis can't control his Florida Congress members. Most all endorse trump.

[noteggs]

I would suspect the charges would result in fines, which he would pay. I can't see his dad granting him a pardon.

So now we are downgrading Hunter’s tax charges, but upgrading Trump’s in Manhattan? Please explain. My point stands, does this hurt Joe’s stance on paying your fair share? Of course not, press will not put 2 and 2 together. If convicted of a felony (I agree he won’t because you know), Dad will not give him a pardon?

[D-West & PO-Z]

What about the entire Biden families ignoring of Hunter's love child? Hunter Biden having to be ordered for a paternity test, court ordered to pay child support, apparently he is living at the White House to avoid being served, and is now being court ordered to attend certain hearings or proceedings.

I get all politicians have crazy family, skeletons in their closet, and all are generally shills to various donors and corporations etc. And most don't seem to be good people. However, I have a hard time envisioning myself being able to completely ignore a grandchild of mine even if my son was a total shithead who decided to do so himself. I don't know, that just seems so wrong.

Trump has his own very public issues obviously, I am not fan of his and would never vote for him. However I don't want to vote for Biden either for many reasons.

I just don't get how we can't have any quality candidates to present, or if we do, why can they not win the nomination?

I don't want to hear anything about family values from either Trump or Biden if they both are running.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Biden would also beat Ron DeSantis should those two go head-to-head. But if the Republicans actually find a sane candidate for 2024, then all bets are off.

Maybe but I am not so sure about that. I think he definitely beats Trump. I think DeSantis is much more of a toss up.

[Strange Brew]

Desantis can't control his Florida Congress members. Most all endorse trump.

Last I checked his job is to run FL not his party.

As to that…Check plus.

Haha…

[xukeith]

Putting the Hunter laptop content aside, will a potential Hunter tax evasion charge hurt Joe’s reelection chances?

Reason why I ask is if he gets Federally charged, Joe will most certainly pardon him. With that said, does it do damage to his increased IRS agents to go after tax cheats? Also, the rich should pay their fair share stuff? Might sound a little hypocritical.

I don't think Americans care about a Hunter Biden laptop. The horse has been beaten long enough.

[Masterofreality]

I don't think Americans care about a Hunter Biden laptop. The horse has been beaten long enough.

They will care if there is a connection to “The Big Guy”.
At very least it is worth a full investigation with a public outcome of those business dealings. His crack smoking and whoremongering is irrelevant.

[xuwillie]

I don't think Americans care about a Hunter Biden laptop. The horse has been beaten long enough.

Based on that argument people shouldn’t care what Trump did years ago.

[GoMuskies]

Based on that argument people shouldn’t care what Trump did years ago.

They shouldn't care what Ivanka, Eric or Don, Jr. did years ago.

[bjf123]

Does anyone think the story would have been reported differently if the only change was the laptop belonged to Donald Trump Jr?


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[xuwillie]

Does anyone think the story would have been reported differently if the only change was the laptop belonged to Donald Trump Jr?


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Of course or any Trump for that matter.

[Smails]

Does anyone think the story would have been reported differently if the only change was the laptop belonged to Donald Trump Jr?


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Would have been deemed a 'threat to Democracy' for sure

[paulxu]

Sometimes there is justice.
Guys named Kolfage and Badolato, along with Bannon, started the Build the Wall scam.
Bannon got pardoned by Trump for his part, Kolfage just got 4 years + in prison, Badolato 3 years.

(Bannon's not out of the woods yet. State of NY is coming for him on the scam. Couldn't get a pardon for that.)

[bobbiemcgee]

Based on that argument people shouldn’t care what Trump did years ago.

And yet he is having his rape trial this week.

[X-band '01]

That's a civil trial though - don't expect him to be spending time at Rikers Island for that.

[Muskie in dayton]

Sometimes there is justice unless you are a Democrat.
Fixed that for you.

[Strange Brew]

The House passed a common sense budget today. We’ll see if the Senate and POTUS will destroy Democracy by voting against/vetoing it….:)

[paulxu]

Fixed that for you.

Well, Democrat presidents don't run scam Universities or charities.
And their campaign people and advisors don't run scams on Building a Wall and take the money for their personal use, for which a Republican president would give them a get out of jail free card.

So your point is valid.

[bobbiemcgee]

The House passed a common sense budget today. We’ll see if the Senate and POTUS will destroy Democracy by voting against/vetoing it….:)
DOA in Senate

[paulxu]

Debt ceiling raised 3 times under former Republican president with no problems.
Democrat in the White House?
Let's play Russian roulette with the financial markets and potentially default on debt for bills already incurred.
That should help the Yuan become more widely accepted in international trade.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-26/yuan-overtakes-dollar-as-china-s-most-used-cross-border-currency#xj4y7vzkg

[bobbiemcgee]

Mickey suing Ron.

[Strange Brew]

Debt ceiling raised 3 times under former Republican president with no problems.
Democrat in the White House?
Let's play Russian roulette with the financial markets and potentially default on debt for bills already incurred.
That should help the Yuan become more widely accepted in international trade.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-26/yuan-overtakes-dollar-as-china-s-most-used-cross-border-currency#xj4y7vzkg

Or we could just pass the common sense spending cuts and avoid the mess and threats to Democracy.

[Strange Brew]

Mickey suing Ron.

So what?

[bjf123]

Or we could just pass the common sense spending cuts and avoid the mess and threats to Democracy.

I probably have a better chance of winning the PowerBall than of Congress passing any spending cuts.


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[Strange Brew]

I probably have a better chance of winning the PowerBall than of Congress passing any spending cuts.


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One can dream…:)

[X-band '01]

DOA in Senate

Now just because Senator Rick Scott wants to take the IRS money and arm teachers is no reason to think such a "reasonable" common sense budget is DOA. Priorities!