Politics Thread

[xuwillie]

It sure is funny how when a legit Nazi ultra right winger commits a shooting, the narrative is all about his “radicalized beliefs”.
When an ultra left wing Transphobic nut who has been militarized by their insane group commits a shooting it’s all about “guns”, and never their crazy beliefs.
The Nashville shooting was a hate crime vs Christians, their beliefs, and the Trans community now wanting their “Day of Vengeance” . They’ve been promoting it all over social media.
Look, I don’t own guns and are not a fan of them, but the narrative to not place the blame where it actually lies is disgusting.
Remember the Waukesha parade where, according to the media a “Car” plowed into people and killed them? Total down play of the hate crime committed by a guy of color vs whites.
Media is trash

Guns and crazy people aren’t going away. You might say it’s just going to get worse with all the hate being spewed by the media.

[Xville]

The blame goes to our terrible mental health system and to the family unit that turns their blind eye. It’s now slowly coming out that this person had some mental health/suicide struggles/ shocking. Guns are also part of the issue, I’m not pro-gun or anti-gun but to have some common sense legislation around them would be nice.

All in all, I’m sick of this. All of it needs to be changed from our mental health services to guns to the idiots who are parents of these people. Politicians for once need to get together, stop pointing fingers and effing fix it.

[xuphan]

The blame goes to our terrible mental health system and to the family unit that turns their blind eye. It’s now slowly coming out that this person had some mental health/suicide struggles/ shocking. Guns are also part of the issue, I’m not pro-gun or anti-gun but to have some common sense legislation around them would be nice.

All in all, I’m sick of this. All of it needs to be changed from our mental health services to guns to the idiots who are parents of these people. Politicians for once need to get together, stop pointing fingers and effing fix it.

Do you really think Politicians are going to do anything about it. They have had countless parents with dead kids talk to them and nothing gets done. Get use to these shootings because they are not going away. Signed by the Democrats and Republicans.

[Masterofreality]

Guns and crazy people aren’t going away. You might say it’s just going to get worse with all the hate being spewed by the media.

The media definitely feeds it. They like throwing Molotov Cocktails into the fray then walk away while loving to “report” on the collateral damage.

[Masterofreality]

Do you really think Politicians are going to do anything about it. They have had countless parents with dead kids talk to them and nothing gets done. Get use to these shootings because they are not going away. Signed by the Democrats and Republicans.

Just think of how many Billions this country could spend on “Mental Health” issues if the US would stop wasting Billions propping up and pushing “Green Energy” and environmental Bullshit. The “Inflation Reduction Act” wasn’t that at all. It was billions on the green energy crap.
Those monies would have been better served as the “Mental Health Enhancement Act”. But Joe Biden’s lunacy and his totally misplaced priorities rule. He can still falsely claim “gun control” tho. How’s that work in Chicago & California Joe?

[STL_XUfan]

Just think of how many Billions this country could spend on “Mental Health” issues if the US would stop wasting Billions propping up and pushing “Green Energy” and environmental Bullshit. The “Inflation Reduction Act” wasn’t that at all. It was billions on the green energy crap.
Those monies would have been better served as the “Mental Health Enhancement Act”. But Joe Biden’s lunacy and his totally misplaced priorities rule. He can still falsely claim “gun control” tho. How’s that work in Chicago & California Joe?

This is the biggest strawman argument I have ever seen. We cannot get states to accept federal grant money to expand Medicaid, and you think there is an appetite on the right side to spend significant money on taking care of mental health. If there is, I am sure you will have no issue gathering up the votes on the left to get it passed.

As to the "guns and crazy people" aren't going away comment, our legislatures could certainly do something to greatly restrict the two from mixing. Instead, we have strapped on our idiot helmets and went full on the other way with states passing dumb ass shit like constitutional carry. We don't live in the wild west, you have no reason to carry your gun with you. Doing so will only ever escalate a situation not deescalate it. But by all means, look like Johnny bad ass strapped down with your AR15 getting a cup of coffee.

None of this matters. Nothing will change. Kids will continue to die. This is just our reality and at this point I see no hope in it ever changing.

[paulxu]

California gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 8.5
Ohio gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 15.2
Tennessee gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 21.3

There are 13 states where the death rate exceeds 20/100,000.
All but one of them voted Republican in the last presidential election...in case there is actual correlation.

[Strange Brew]

California gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 8.5
Ohio gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 15.2
Tennessee gun deaths per 100,000 residents: 21.3

There are 13 states where the death rate exceeds 20/100,000.
All but one of them voted Republican in the last presidential election...in case there is actual correlation.

How many are suicides?

Stats…

[xuwillie]

How many are suicides?

Stats…

And can we have number of incidents as well? You can hide a lot of bad things having a bigger population.

[Strange Brew]

And can we have number of incidents as well? You can hide a lot of bad things having a bigger population.

Also true.

Paul must’ve received his email this morning…

[Strange Brew]

This is the biggest strawman argument I have ever seen. We cannot get states to accept federal grant money to expand Medicaid, and you think there is an appetite on the right side to spend significant money on taking care of mental health. If there is, I am sure you will have no issue gathering up the votes on the left to get it passed.

As to the "guns and crazy people" aren't going away comment, our legislatures could certainly do something to greatly restrict the two from mixing. Instead, we have strapped on our idiot helmets and went full on the other way with states passing dumb ass shit like constitutional carry. We don't live in the wild west, you have no reason to carry your gun with you. Doing so will only ever escalate a situation not deescalate it. But by all means, look like Johnny bad ass strapped down with your AR15 getting a cup of coffee.

None of this matters. Nothing will change. Kids will continue to die. This is just our reality and at this point I see no hope in it ever changing.

Well, there was. However we got rid of the institutions.

[GoMuskies]

Today will be national "Do Something" Day from people who have no idea what they're talking about and no interest in learning enough to have an educated conversation about guns and potential regulation. Just DO SOMETHING!!!#@#$#!!!#@#$#@!!!

[xuwillie]

Also true.

Paul must’ve received his email this morning…

And are these happening mainly in dem led cities? You can go on and on

[Strange Brew]

Today will be national "Do Something" Day from people who have no idea what they're talking about and no interest in learning enough to have an educated conversation about guns and potential regulation. Just DO SOMETHING!!!#@#$#!!!#@#$#@!!!

Been that way for a while GO. Welcome to the party pal. :)

I’ll start the convo:

No handguns until 21 and long guns limited to .22s until such age. We’ve been prolonging childhood for a while.

[paulxu]

And can we have number of incidents as well? You can hide a lot of bad things having a bigger population.

A "number" per 100/000 for 2 different states is hiding some bad thing by having a bigger population in one state.

Really.

[xuwillie]

A "number" per 100/000 for 2 different states is hiding some bad thing by having a bigger population in one state.

Really.

Yes. There have been 3,100 gun deaths in CA this year and 1,200 in TN.

[Strange Brew]

Yes. There have been 3,100 gun deaths in CA this year and 1,200 in TN.

Haha!

[paulxu]

Statistics course at Xavier may need some upgrading.

"Honey, we're moving. You want to go to the state with a greater chance of getting shot, or a lesser chance of getting shot?"

[Masterofreality]

This is the biggest strawman argument I have ever seen. We cannot get states to accept federal grant money to expand Medicaid, and you think there is an appetite on the right side to spend significant money on taking care of mental health.

Straw man? Huh. YOUR side were in control of all 3 branches of Government for 2 whole years. Your side did nothing but try to pass trash that spent Billions of dollars to “solve” an alleged problem that is not a verified problem and is decades away from happening rather than passing legislation to fund mental health more effectively. It absolutely has not been a priority when the Dems had control but they like to keep yelling about “Gun Control” which is not the problem at all.
Plus Biden wants to waste more Federal dollars on paying off College loans. It’s unconstitutional, but see the problem with misplaced priorities??
Don’t blame the States. Your side had control of the Purse but took your eye off the ball for cheap votes.
Non Sequitur , but By the way. When is Fetterman actually going to cast a vote and serve as a Senator? What a disgusting sham and an injustice to him by being thrown into a race. Evil.

[xuphan]

Today will be national "Do Something" Day from people who have no idea what they're talking about and no interest in learning enough to have an educated conversation about guns and potential regulation. Just DO SOMETHING!!!#@#$#!!!#@#$#@!!!

A gun by itself will not kill someone. There are a lot of factors that go into someone purposely aiming a firearm at someone and pulling the trigger with the intent to kill them. That action is lead in my opinion by a series of societal issues that is plaguing our country and continues to plague our country. Decline in Mental health, broken homes, loss of community plays a big factor but there are also other factors as well. There isn’t a fear of punishment from people who commit these acts. Young people are desensitized by guns and violence from everything from video games, music, and movies. This only gets better if we start to tackle mental health and start holding parents responsible for raising young people to become productive members of society.

This is a failure by both the Democratic and Republican Party. Gun control doesn’t attempt to fix the issues with the person pulling the trigger. All it does is try to have them pull the trigger on less powerful guns. Giving everyone a gun and turning it into the wild west doesn’t fix the issues with the person pulling the trigger. At best it is a scare tactic but these individuals don’t care and are not scared to be shot. Both parties need to work together to tackle the big issues at hand which is mental health and hold parents responsible for their young people.

[paulxu]

Straw man? Huh. YOUR side were in control of all 3 branches of Government for 2 whole years. Your side did nothing but try to pass trash that spent Billions of dollars to “solve” an alleged problem that is not a verified problem and is decades away from happening rather than passing legislation to fund mental health more effectively. It absolutely has not been a priority when the Dems had control but they like to keep yelling about “Gun Control” which is not the problem at all.


I don't recall the Democrats in control of all 3 branches of government recently. Maybe 2. Presidency and Congress.
In that time frame (2020-2022) the House passed and the Senate concurred with HR7666, a bill on mental health, and the president signed it.

H.R.7666 - Restoring Hope for Mental Health and Well-Being Act of 2022
You can see the mental health issues it addresses here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7666

[xuphan]

Would anyone on here like to argue some of this wasteful government spending in this report? Some of the items in the report that the government is spending tax payer money on is an absolute joke.

https://californiaglobe.com/articles/sen-rand-pauls-annual-festivus-report-482276543907-of-government-waste/amp/

[Strange Brew]

I don't recall the Democrats in control of all 3 branches of government recently. Maybe 2. Presidency and Congress.
In that time frame (2020-2022) the House passed and the Senate concurred with HR7666, a bill on mental health, and the president signed it.

H.R.7666 - Restoring Hope for Mental Health and Well-Being Act of 2022
You can see the mental health issues it addresses here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7666

Seriously, shut up Paul.

The 3 branches mentioned are the House, Senate and the Presidency. You’re technically correct however you failed to make a point. Don’t worry, you’ll get your email from the DNC tomorrow.

Edit: Leftist controlled the Judicial Branch for my entire lifetime until recently. So yes, there have been multiple occasions where it controlled all three branches.

[Masterofreality]

I don't recall the Democrats in control of all 3 branches of government recently. Maybe 2. Presidency and Congress.
In that time frame (2020-2022) the House passed and the Senate concurred with HR7666, a bill on mental health, and the president signed it.

H.R.7666 - Restoring Hope for Mental Health and Well-Being Act of 2022
You can see the mental health issues it addresses here:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7666

The Senate “Concurred”.
That means it hasn’t passed.
When did the President “sign it” pray tell.
And how many millions/billions were allocated to it?
Give us the full picture Paul! The link you posted only indicates it was “referred to Senate Committee” in June, 2022.

[Strange Brew]

While we’re bickering, journalist Matt Taibbi received a visit from the IRS.

What country is this again?

[Strange Brew]

The Senate “Concurred”.
That means it hasn’t passed.
When did the President “sign it” pray tell.
And how many millions/billions were allocated to it?
Give us the full picture Paul! The link you posted only indicates it was “referred to Senate Committee” in June, 2022.

Yes, concurring is gutless.

[Masterofreality]

Yes, concurring is gutless.

And let me again reiterate that the Democratic Party had control of the House, Senate & Presidency at this time frame.
Those are the 3 areas that control US Pursestrings, despite Paul’s once again feeble attempt to deflect.
But, deflection is their middle name.

[bjf123]

While we’re bickering, journalist Matt Taibbi received a visit from the IRS.

What country is this again?

I’m sure that was purely coincidental! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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[Strange Brew]

And let me again reiterate that the Democratic Party had control of the House, Senate & Presidency at this time frame.
Those are the 3 areas that control US Pursestrings, despite Paul’s once again feeble attempt to deflect.
But, deflection is their middle name.

You’re not wrong.

[Strange Brew]

I’m sure that was purely coincidental! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


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Of course, purely a coincidence.

[Xville]

Good to see this thread hasn’t deviated from the problem with this nations politics at large and why nothing gets done. Lots of finger pointing and blame shifting and yeah buts. Major parties have played most of you for a fool.

[Strange Brew]

Good to see this thread hasn’t deviated from the problem with this nations politics at large and why nothing gets done. Lots of finger pointing and blame shifting and yeah buts. Major parties have played most of you for a fool.

Agree Ville.

What is your solution or do you exist to point out everyone else pointing fingers.

[Xville]

Agree Ville.

What is your solution?

Get lobbyists out of Washington for one.

If you’re asking me about people shooting up schools. There is a lot that can be done and needs to be done. One, sensible gun control. Limit types of guns, lengthen waiting periods, extreme background checks etc.

Mental health needs to be a priority… get back to mental health facilities, social programs in this area need to be ramped up… social workers should be paid a shit ton of money for the bullshit they have to deal with and the system should never favor the shit parents who allow their children to become shit. I could go on and on with my soapbox.

Nothing gets done though because we start having people like Mor and Paul in politics who start bitching about trump or fucking energy policies for the reason why the world is fucked up.

[Xuperman]

Ok.
I can give clarity to ALL this, quick, fast and in a hurry.

It all started about 30 years ago, with the fucking ridiculous concept that "everyone gets a trophy"! There is NO Way that ANY properly functioning system....let alone a WORLD POWER country like the USA can continue to be based on a VICTIM MENTALITY and not a MERIT BASED MENTALITY.

I am so fucking pissed, I can't see straight.... literally!

How did we get here at light speed? Why are previously viewed slackers now celebrated? What the fuck has happened where wholesome values and straight up common morality is under COMPLETE attack?

We are fucked by a ALL CONSUMING digital media poison. Somehow the rainbow left has taken control, to the detriment of our entire, formerly beloved, country.

When " DEFUND THE POLICE" and "All white folks are inherently racist" is a media drumbeat... we as a country are totally screwed.

Sorry but this shit is real.

[paulxu]

Most American school kids know what the 3 branches of government are. Yet it's me "deflecting" if I point this out?
Maybe you guys who believe this are like the Republican Senator and former football coach from the state of Alabama:

“Our government wasn’t set up for one group to have all three branches of government — wasn’t set up that way,” Tuberville continued, saying incorrectly: “You know, the House, the Senate, and the executive.”

Fascinating. People have a problem with just saying "oops", I made a mistake. They've got to blame someone else.

For the record, the 3 branches of government are the Legislative, Executive and Judicial. They are laid out in the first 3 articles of our Constitution.

https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government

As to the bill, the major parts of it were incorporated into the Omnibus Spending Bill signed in December 2022.
Of note, in the HR7666 bill that cleared the House, the only no votes were from Republicans. At least the Dems are trying to address mental health concerns, as well as reasonable gun laws.

https://bhbusiness.com/2023/01/03/omnibus-bill-will-move-the-ball-quite-substantially-in-behavioral-health/

[Masterofreality]

You are ridiculous Paul. Everyone on this board knew what I was talking about the branches that control the purse strings. You did see my reference to “Billions” didn’t you?

And Mental Health seems to be a Bipartisan issue not limited to Democrats despite your efforts to paint it otherwise.
My point remains. Put a bill out there that addresses a core issue rather than piling pork that was in the Omnibus Spending bill- that Democrats lied to Joe Manchin to get it passed- and you get Bipartisan support.
To wit from the article thread you posted:

“ The Restoring Hope for Mental Health and Well-Being Act of 2022 passed out of the House on a 402-20 vote. To a lesser degree, the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act reflected bipartisan interest in the role of mental health in mass shootings and gun control, a third rail for Republicans. Fourteen Republicans voted for the bill in its 220-193 final passage. It became law on June 24.”

[Strange Brew]

Get lobbyists out of Washington for one.

If you’re asking me about people shooting up schools. There is a lot that can be done and needs to be done. One, sensible gun control. Limit types of guns, lengthen waiting periods, extreme background checks etc.

Mental health needs to be a priority… get back to mental health facilities, social programs in this area need to be ramped up… social workers should be paid a shit ton of money for the bullshit they have to deal with and the system should never favor the shit parents who allow their children to become shit. I could go on and on with my soapbox.

Nothing gets done though because we start having people like Mor and Paul in politics who start bitching about trump or fucking energy policies for the reason why the world is fucked up.

Agree on your first sentence.

And most of the rest. However, banning things for responsible people isn’t going to change anything.

[Strange Brew]

Ok.
I can give clarity to ALL this, quick, fast and in a hurry.

It all started about 30 years ago, with the fucking ridiculous concept that "everyone gets a trophy"! There is NO Way that ANY properly functioning system....let alone a WORLD POWER country like the USA can continue to be based on a VICTIM MENTALITY and not a MERIT BASED MENTALITY.

I am so fucking pissed, I can't see straight.... literally!

How did we get here at light speed? Why are previously viewed slackers now celebrated? What the fuck has happened where wholesome values and straight up common morality is under COMPLETE attack?

We are fucked by a ALL CONSUMING digital media poison. Somehow the rainbow left has taken control, to the detriment of our entire, formerly beloved, country.

When " DEFUND THE POLICE" and "All white folks are inherently racist" is a media drumbeat... we as a country are totally screwed.

Sorry but this shit is real.

Glad I’m not the only one…

[paulxu]

"All three branches of government" suddenly morphs into the 2 branches "that control the purse strings."

And I'm the one deflecting? Sure.

(Curiously, the "power of the purse" has generally meant one branch, the legislature, which has the authority to tax and spend)

[Strange Brew]

"All three branches of government" suddenly morphs into the 2 branches "that control the purse strings."

And I'm the one deflecting? Sure.

(Curiously, the "power of the purse" has generally meant one branch, the legislature, which has the authority to tax and spend)

Sorry it was over your head.

Most of us got it.

[X-band '01]

Most American school kids know what the 3 branches of government are. Yet it's me "deflecting" if I point this out?
Maybe you guys who believe this are like the Republican Senator and former football coach from the state of Alabama:


Fascinating. People have a problem with just saying "oops", I made a mistake. They've got to blame someone else.

For the record, the 3 branches of government are the Legislative, Executive and Judicial. They are laid out in the first 3 articles of our Constitution.

https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-government

As to the bill, the major parts of it were incorporated into the Omnibus Spending Bill signed in December 2022.
Of note, in the HR7666 bill that cleared the House, the only no votes were from Republicans. At least the Dems are trying to address mental health concerns, as well as reasonable gun laws.

https://bhbusiness.com/2023/01/03/omnibus-bill-will-move-the-ball-quite-substantially-in-behavioral-health/

To be fair to Tuberville, that was the exact same trifecta that the immortal AOC guessed.

[Xuperman]

Good to see this thread hasn’t deviated from the problem with this nations politics at large and why nothing gets done. Lots of finger pointing and blame shifting and yeah buts. Major parties have played most of you for a fool.

There is NOBODY here that pussyfoots around like you 'Ville. You just relish in making yourself seem a precious unbiased individual..... HOWEVER, you simply come off as a foolish political troll. We all are waiting for you to get your thumb out your ass and see where you really stand. You certainly post here a lot, and your tag seems to suggest much more clarity.
🤔

[Xuperman]

In other words....you have zero credibility when your views are so vaguely defined. You always try to get it both ways in a very obvious manner. CHEAP TRICK.

Me.....not so much.

[Xuperman]

I am sure this doesn't sit well with some "hall of famer" supporters, but at some point we ALL have to get real.

We are truly fucked people.... this gun shit is only the tip of the iceberg.

Again....reality just simply sucks!

[Strange Brew]

I am sure this doesn't sit well with some "hall of famer" supporters, but at some point we ALL have to get real.

We are truly fucked people.... this gun shit is only the tip of the iceberg.

Again....reality just simply sucks!

Well, you are correct.

When things are mixed up, break it down to basics (terrible Tears for Fears reference). :)

[Xuperman]

TOTAL and COMPLETE LOCK DOWN of ALL SCHOOLS. NO entry whatsoever after school starts. This is totally doable and within any budget.

Pay ex military $100.000 to protect our kids. Pay people of color or females even MORE! We have to start paying ex military fo!KS huge $$$! Period.... end of story.

[Xuperman]

And the profound justification is....honorably discharged ex military are EXTREMELY WELL VETED and completely reliable on said, documented history.

All win+

[Strange Brew]

TOTAL and COMPLETE LOCK DOWN of ALL SCHOOLS. NO entry whatsoever after school starts. This is totally doable and within any budget.

Pay ex military $100.000 to protect our kids. Pay people of color or females even MORE! We have to start paying ex military fo!KS huge $$$! Period.... end of story.

That’s a bit extreme. I’m not worried about my kids at school tomorrow (knocks wood). It’s an outlier that has been brought to your attention by the media.

Put millions of kids going to school on one line and incidents on the other. Outliers. There’s no way to eliminate all risk. You’re more likely to be killed in a car accident or a freak heart attack than you kids being involved in this kind of incident.

[Xuperman]

Well the $$$, the $$$?
Huh?
You could pay for a BLANKET plan of National School Security with the BILLIONS going to Ukraine.... Or on Worthless "Green" scams.

[Xuperman]

In other words, the money is there.
Priority is not

[Strange Brew]

No it’s not.

That’s why we have inflation.

[Xville]

There is NOBODY here that pussyfoots around like you 'Ville. You just relish in making yourself seem a precious unbiased individual..... HOWEVER, you simply come off as a foolish political troll. We all are waiting for you to get your thumb out your ass and see where you really stand. You certainly post here a lot, and your tag seems to suggest much more clarity.
🤔

Guess you missed the part where I mentioned some things that should be done. Weird. I am an unbiased individual when it comes to the two political parties, I care about issues, not like some on here that wait or look up what their respective party says and then form and follow that opinion.

You want to have ex military at schools? Yeah those guys and gals never come home with any issues. Geezus Christ.

[Masterofreality]

"All three branches of government" suddenly morphs into the 2 branches "that control the purse strings."

And I'm the one deflecting? Sure.

(Curiously, the "power of the purse" has generally meant one branch, the legislature, which has the authority to tax and spend)

Everyone knew what I was saying but, yeah. You focus on minutiae to deflect from getting to the real issue of financial priorities of the Dems.
And to your last sentence, that was what the Founders intended until Ol’ Joe decided to issue executive orders to cancel student debt, for example, sticking a huge invoice on the rest of the taxpayers. I guess you can’t see that through your blue tint glasses.
Totally unconstitutional, but whatever….

[D-West & PO-Z]

You want to have ex military at schools? Yeah those guys and gals never come home with any issues. Geezus Christ.

My exact thoughts when I read his suggestion.

[xuwillie]

My exact thoughts when I read his suggestion.

Well most schools already have armed police in their schools. Do they not have bad days? Id hope they'd go thru quite a bit of mental testing before being approved

[paulxu]

Our Rotary club does volunteer literary work at a local public grade school.
There is always one (if not 2) "resource" officers posted at the locked front door.
In my day, the resource officer was a nun.
Times change.

[GoMuskies]

I think most of those sisters could have taken down the average school shooter with nothing more than a ruler.

[Masterofreality]

I think most of those sisters could have taken down the average school shooter with nothing more than a ruler.

Or a well aimed and armed erasure to the Head!!

[Xville]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776515

Admittedly, I don’t know if there is inherent bias in this study, but based on these results and common sense, it doesn’t seem that just having an armed guard will solve the problem.

Could it be a piece? Sure, but imo there are other things especially around mental health and “arming” people with resources that would stop putting bandaids on things. Proper gun legislation also needs to be addressed, obtaining one should be one of if not the hardest thing to do in life., and spare me the bs about the government controlling us if we don’t have our guns. If the government wants to control you, their arsenal is bigger than billy bad ass with his couple of ar 15s

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, in Denver we had a kid shoot two people while he was being patted down.

[paulxu]

I know the precautions schools take now, with locked doors and resource officers are natural responses.
But watching the glass being blown out of the door in Nashville kinda makes one of the issues almost moot.
Remember all the discussion around whether the doors were locked or not in Uvalde? Would only slow down an AR15 armed person about 10 seconds.

ps. our nuns had cloak rooms behind their desks where we left our stuff in the morning. Then, during the day, that room turned into Gitmo if you went in with them, and their ruler, to discuss your behavioral issues.

[94GRAD]

I know the precautions schools take now, with locked doors and resource officers are natural responses.
But watching the glass being blown out of the door in Nashville kinda makes one of the issues almost moot.
Remember all the discussion around whether the doors were locked or not in Uvalde? Would only slow down an AR15 armed person about 10 seconds.

ps. our nuns had cloak rooms behind their desks where we left our stuff in the morning. Then, during the day, that room turned into Gitmo if you went in with them, and their ruler, to discuss your behavioral issues.

I can only imagine the water(chalk)boarding you and your classmates had to endure.

[Xville]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nashville-shooter-amassed-arsenal-despite-185247133.html

Yes I know, yahoo, but the info is factual here.

How is anyone ok with this? Obtained the guns legally because our system is so completely fucked up. Also, shockingly the parents sound like complete idiots.

I’ll also say big pharma is a big fucking problem in this country and needs to be addressed. Instead of fixing the issue, we put a bandaid on it or a pill. Have some trauma? Oh here’s a pill. Fat? Take a pill. Depressed? Take a pill. Can’t get it up? Take a pill.

My assumption is this person had some trauma at some point and was on a cocktail of medications.

[paulxu]

I can only imagine the water(chalk)boarding you and your classmates had to endure.

Good prep for the service though.

[STL_XUfan]

, their arsenal is bigger than billy bad ass with his couple of ar 15s

I have never heard any justifiable reason for why AR15s are legal. They are shit guns for hunting. They are shit guns for home protection. The only thing they appear to be good at is causing mass casualties, and I guess making you look like a bad ass cause they resemble M16s.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Can’t get it up? Take a pill.



Hey, be careful, or you might just unite Paul and MOR (our resident "longer tenured" Xavier fans) on an issue against you!


(Kidding, kidding!)

[xuphan]

I have never heard any justifiable reason for why AR15s are legal. They are shit guns for hunting. They are shit guns for home protection. The only thing they appear to be good at is causing mass casualties, and I guess making you look like a bad ass cause they resemble M16s.

I will try key word is try to argue why they are legal. They are legal for the sole purpose of fighting off tyrannical government whether domestic or foreign. If the government take all your weapons, what are you going to use to protect yourself from them when that time comes? Maybe the bigger issue is why aren’t all guns legal. Doesn’t the second amendment give me the right to own a Tommy Gun or AK-47?

[paulxu]

Where can I order a tank? I want to be ready.

[STL_XUfan]

I will try key word is try to argue why they are legal. They are legal for the sole purpose of fighting off tyrannical government whether domestic or foreign. If the government take all your weapons, what are you going to use to protect yourself from them when that time comes? Maybe the bigger issue is why aren’t all guns legal. Doesn’t the second amendment give me the right to own a Tommy Gun or AK-47?
If that is the logic, then why aren't tanks, RPGs, long distance artillery, and fully loaded fighter jets available for purchase. Cause if you think you are taking on the US Government with an AR15, good fucking luck.

Or we can agree that 2nd amendment is an antiquated concept that needs to go the same way as the other parts of the constitution that no longer made sense.

[GoMuskies]

I'm FAR from a gun nut, but I don't think the argument that the government has bigger weapons is a particularly persuasive one. Sure, if we the people ever decide to enter into a conventional war with the government it won't go well. But it's not likely to go very well for the government that is using tanks, RPGs, long ranger artillery and fully loaded fighter jets on its citizens, either. That country is done.

It's harder to effectively enforce your will on an armed citizenry in a way that doesn't completely destroy your country. Of course you can kill all (or a big chunk of) your citizens at any time, but it's probably not the preferred path.

[xuphan]

Where can I order a tank? I want to be ready.

No kidding. I don’t see what the issue is. Don’t I have the right to bear arms? Doesn’t say in the constitution what arms I am and am not allowed to have. I promise I would be a law abiding tank user unless someone hits me on I75. Haha, then it’s on.

[UCGRAD4X]

I think most of those sisters could have taken down the average school shooter with nothing more than a ruler.

I remember nuns swinging those 1 inch diameter rosary beads. Man, those things could stove your head in.

[paulxu]

Talking of tanks made me recall a guy with a Sherman tank from the 60's in Cincinnati.
At one time he had it parked at the foot of Linwood where it meets Eastern with a sign on it.

http://justacarguy.blogspot.com/2016/08/bought-tank-got-into-trouble-stayed.html

[xubrew]

In recognition of Opening Day...

Let us PLEASE never get to a point to where this is no longer allowed to be funny!!

I know grandstanding makes a lot of people feel good.

I know acting offended while grandstanding makes a lot of people feel even better.

I know attacking people due to being offended while grandstanding is the ultimate way that a lot of people choose to pleasure themselves these days. I wish they'd just stick to using their hands while taking a shower, but in modern times acting offended and attacking others while grandstanding is how a lot of people choose to pleasure themselves.

But some things should still be sacred! You can love America and love The Anthem as much as a glutton loves his lunch!! But PLEASE, let's NEVER call this out and say it should be cancelled!!

HAPPY OPENING DAY EVERYBODY!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ2tN3U9Xhk

[X-band '01]

What's to be offended about? Using Dodger Stadium in lieu of Anaheim Stadium?

[paulxu]

�� Oops.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump. Indicted

[X-band '01]

At least Local12 isn't interrupting Opening Day to break that news. Yet.

[Strange Brew]

Trump. Indicted

Precedent set.

[X-band '01]

For what? Has a former USFL owner ever been indicted?

[xuphan]

Anyone else get Al Capone vibes with Trump?

[noteggs]

Precedent set.

Which is incredibly scary…

[bjf123]

Trump. Indicted

Grab your popcorn. This is going to be entertaining!


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[STL_XUfan]

For what? Has a former USFL owner ever been indicted?
Now I kinda want to research this. I literally don’t know any other USFL owner, but my gut tells me there are a few felonies mixed into the group.

[X-band '01]

Now I have actually done a litte research (read: looked at the old Wikipedia page for the USFL). Apparently the owner of the LA Express hadn't been properly vetted financially and had nowhere near the money needed to properly run a professional sports franchise. It was somewhat similar to John Spano; he briefly owned the New York Islanders before he was eventually indicted for wire fraud and other financial crimes. I don't think the Express owner was ever indicted, though.

But if you have the chance STL, watch the 30 for 30 documentaries on both the USFL (Small Potatoes) and John Spano (Big Shot) if you haven't already done so.

[paulxu]

Lock him up?

(I heard something like that somewhere.)

[Strange Brew]

Which is incredibly scary…

Indeed it is.

[STL_XUfan]

Indeed it is.
It really isn’t. He has and deserves a presumption of innocence. He is rich, so he has access to a top notch legal team, so he will have every advantage of proving his innocence. He is in a way better place than most criminal defendants.

As far as the precedence, I am ok with no one being above the law. Treat politicians the same as everyone else, cause in theory they are.

[Strange Brew]

It really isn’t. He has and deserves a presumption of innocence. He is rich, so he has access to a top notch legal team, so he will have every advantage of proving his innocence. He is in a way better place than most criminal defendants.

As far as the precedence, I am ok with no one being above the law. Treat politicians the same as everyone else, cause in theory they are.

That’s not what is scary STL.

[bjf123]

Innocent until proven guilty. It will be interesting to see what crimes the indictment actually actually alleges. It could be a slam dunk, or it could be a big stretch by the DA. Based on reporting so far, I’m leaning towards the latter.


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[Masterofreality]

Innocent until proven guilty. It will be interesting to see what crimes the indictment actually actually alleges. It could be a slam dunk, or it could be a big stretch by the DA. Based on reporting so far, I’m leaning towards the latter.


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Or….Guilty until Innocence is proven as per Nancy Pelosi.

[Muskie in dayton]

That’s not what is scary STL.
Democrats suck at thinking things through.

[STL_XUfan]

Democrats suck at thinking things through.

Care to expand? I am generally against the concept of anyone being above the law. I am also a big proponent of the presumption of innocence that built in protections for criminal defendants. This isn't like he was sentenced to death by a military tribunal and will be shot without calling a witness. It is a state Court charge that will likely result in a fine after years of litigation and appeals (since we do not know the actual charges yet, I am just speculating). I am not seeing this as some earth shattering event. Hell, I have already received a fund raising email this morning from the Trump campaign using the indictment to raise money.

A lot of other perfectly stable and developed democracy's have had their former leader charged and convicted of a crime. I do not think this will matter at all in the long run.

[Xville]

Another “event” that means very little that the media on both sides will use to cause mass hysteria and rule up bases. There are things that our government and our media need to focus on, this is certainly not one of them.

[GoMuskies]

It's a weird thing to indict a former president over. And yes, you have to be more careful in how you prosecute people who are CLEARLY political enemies to avoid it looking like a purely political process.

This should be all be fun and very helpful.

[Xuperman]

I don't think New York can prosecute Trump for a felony in these hush money allegations. It could rise to a felony if it broke campaign finance laws, but wouldn't that be in Federal court? Could the feds use evidence from this New York indictment to reopen a Federal case investigation? Can someone add some clarity?

[Strange Brew]

I don't think New York can prosecute Trump for a felony in these hush money allegations. It could rise to a felony if it broke campaign finance laws, but wouldn't that be in Federal court? Could the feds use evidence from this New York indictment to reopen a Federal case investigation? Can someone add some clarity?

Feds already weighed in on it.

[Xuperman]

Feds already weighed in on it.

I know. However, if any NY evidence can increase motivation for FEC violations, wouldn't that have the Feds in reconsider mode?

I am hoping for some kind of FELONY conviction. We simply have to have TRADITIONAL conservative ideas - Trump all consuming drama.

[bjf123]

I’m not familiar with all the details, but from some of what I’ve read, I think the DA has linked some kind of alleged federal election violation to what would otherwise be a misdemeanor charge in order to extend the statute of limitations thereby making Trump able to be prosecuted. Even some liberal attorneys have said that if that’s the case, it’s very flimsy.


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[X-band '01]

That's just New York we're talking about here (the whole Stormy Daniels sequence).

That's not even including 3 other major areas of interest - election interference in Georgia, the January 6 insurrection and the storage/withholding of documents. Trump should be much more concerned about the Georgia/January 6 cases than the other two.

[Strange Brew]

That's just New York we're talking about here (the whole Stormy Daniels sequence).

That's not even including 3 other major areas of interest - election interference in Georgia, the January 6 insurrection and the storage/withholding of documents. Trump should be much more concerned about the Georgia/January 6 cases than the other two.

Or not.

FBI already cleared him for Jan 6th.
I’d like to know what statute in GA the DA is arguing.
We don’t know anything about the docs however he could have declassified anything he wanted up to Inauguration Day 2021.

Edit: maybe there’s something there but indicting someone doesn’t mean they’re guilty no matter what people like Pelosi think.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Georgia has a state law against “criminal solicitation to commit election fraud.” That law makes it illegal for a person to intentionally solicit, request, command or otherwise attempt to cause another person to engage in election fraud.

'A separate federal law makes it illegal to attempt to “deprive or defraud” people of a “fair and impartially conducted election process.”

Ga. Code § 21-2-604

(b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.

[Strange Brew]

"Georgia has a state law against “criminal solicitation to commit election fraud.” That law makes it illegal for a person to intentionally solicit, request, command or otherwise attempt to cause another person to engage in election fraud.

'A separate federal law makes it illegal to attempt to “deprive or defraud” people of a “fair and impartially conducted election process.”

Ga. Code § 21-2-604

(b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.

Well, we’ll see how the actual evidence plays not just a one sided Grand Jury hearing. :)

[Strange Brew]

"Georgia has a state law against “criminal solicitation to commit election fraud.” That law makes it illegal for a person to intentionally solicit, request, command or otherwise attempt to cause another person to engage in election fraud.

'A separate federal law makes it illegal to attempt to “deprive or defraud” people of a “fair and impartially conducted election process.”

Ga. Code § 21-2-604

(b) (1) A person convicted of the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years.

Well, if I take you on you word on GA law (I don’t) then there may be a case unless of course the point of the the convo was to prevent fraud.

Discovery should be interesting if the case makes it to Court.

It’s not what you believe, it’s what’s you can prove. That is the standard.

[paulxu]

Come on Brad...I only need you to "find" 11780 votes.

[Strange Brew]

Come on Brad...I only need you to "find" 11780 votes.

Bring it. Confederate.

Edit. I do like the you move..haha9

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, if I take you on you word on GA law (I don’t)

Ever use "find law"

https://codes.findlaw.com/ga/title-21-elections/ga-code-sect-21-2-604/

[bjf123]

Come on Brad...I only need you to "find" 11780 votes.

Interpretation of “find” will be key here. Obviously, those on the Left say that means Trump is saying to create fake ballots to get that number. That will be almost impossible to prove.


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[UCGRAD4X]

Seems to me the Gore. Bush Florida recount was, in reality, to "find" votes.

[paulxu]

Interpretation of “find” will be key here. Obviously, those on the Left say that means Trump is saying to create fake ballots to get that number. That will be almost impossible to prove.


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As any kind of candidate, why do you make a call like that to a secretary of state if not to influence his actions?
Who does that?
Or has lawyers filing bogus lawsuits, or creating crazy legal theories to take over, or declare "marital" law, or create fake electors to submit to congress.

I'm just sure "find" votes was all good intentions...despite the secretary of state letting the candidate know his facts were wrong.

[Strange Brew]

Seems to me the Gore. Bush Florida recount was, in reality, to "find" votes.

:).

[bjf123]

As any kind of candidate, why do you make a call like that to a secretary of state if not to influence his actions?
Who does that?
Or has lawyers filing bogus lawsuits, or creating crazy legal theories to take over, or declare "marital" law, or create fake electors to submit to congress.

I'm just sure "find" votes was all good intentions...despite the secretary of state letting the candidate know his facts were wrong.

Just to confirm, you’re saying, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump was telling the GA SoS to commit a crime and create enough fake ballots to win the State. Is that right?


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[bjf123]

Interesting story on how far the Biden administration was going to squash anything that might have questioned their Covid response and the vaccines. Even to the point of trying to know what was in WhatsApp messages between individuals.

https://davidzweig.substack.com/p/biden-white-house-pressured-meta


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[noteggs]

It's a weird thing to indict a former president over. And yes, you have to be more careful in how you prosecute people who are CLEARLY political enemies to avoid it looking like a purely political process.

This should be all be fun and very helpful.

1) 100%

2) most watching the legacy media and certain cable networks don’t even know one of Bragg’s top priorities in his campaign was to prosecute Trump. So yes “potential” political prosecution at its finest.

3) Think you found the sarcasm font you were looking for in your last sentence. :)

[paulxu]

Just to confirm, you’re saying, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Trump was telling the GA SoS to commit a crime and create enough fake ballots to win the State. Is that right?


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Nope. I'm saying (from listening to the entire tape of his call and a lot of Georgia officials) that it certainly would appear he was trying to influence a state election official to do something illegal; not the particular method for doing so. As to whether it, and all the evidence the grand jury there has listened to, are sufficient to return an indictment, and might prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," that would be for the jury. And I'm sure there is a lot of testimony no one's heard.
But I'm very glad that Raffensperger was smart enough to tape the lengthy call so I didn't have to listen to a bunch of lies about the call from the caller.

[Strange Brew]

Nope. I'm saying (from listening to the entire tape of his call and a lot of Georgia officials) that it certainly would appear he was trying to influence a state election official to do something illegal; not the particular method for doing so. As to whether it, and all the evidence the grand jury there has listened to, are sufficient to return an indictment, and might prove guilt "beyond a reasonable doubt," that would be for the jury. And I'm sure there is a lot of testimony no one's heard.
But I'm very glad that Raffensperger was smart enough to tape the lengthy call so I didn't have to listen to a bunch of lies about the call from the caller.

Thanks for clarifying. :)

You convinced me. He’s pure evil. :)

[Muskie in dayton]

Care to expand? I am generally against the concept of anyone being above the law. I am also a big proponent of the presumption of innocence that built in protections for criminal defendants. This isn't like he was sentenced to death by a military tribunal and will be shot without calling a witness. It is a state Court charge that will likely result in a fine after years of litigation and appeals (since we do not know the actual charges yet, I am just speculating). I am not seeing this as some earth shattering event. Hell, I have already received a fund raising email this morning from the Trump campaign using the indictment to raise money.

A lot of other perfectly stable and developed democracy's have had their former leader charged and convicted of a crime. I do not think this will matter at all in the long run.
Exactly.

[Masterofreality]

Hmmmm. Sounds like a real threat to Democracy.
Biden lies again…about pretty important stuff…
Nothing like doing zilch while an adversary flies spy balloons over your military bases.
I thought that Biden said they had “blocked the intel gathering”?
Oh, well…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-spy-balloon-collected-intelligence-us-military-bases-rcna77155

[noteggs]

Hmmmm. Sounds like a real threat to Democracy.
Biden lies again…about pretty important stuff…
Nothing like doing zilch while an adversary flies spy balloons over your military bases.
I thought that Biden said they had “blocked the intel gathering”?
Oh, well…

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/china-spy-balloon-collected-intelligence-us-military-bases-rcna77155

Interesting they published the report today? All channels seem to be focused on something else…

[noteggs]

Heard news agencies around the country are stocking up on hand wipes this week. Guess they are anticipating a lot Toobin pulling.

[Masterofreality]

Today’s LOL, that is setting off a Racial War in America:
“Doctor” Jill Biden invites the losing Iowa women’s team (predominantly White) to the White House along with the WINNING NATIONAL CHAMPION LSU (predominantly Black). Something never done before.
The Twitter outrage is Off. The. Hook!!!
Hey!! Participation Trophies for everyone minimizing Black accomplishment!!!
The idiocy of this Administration is boundless.

[paulxu]

Not very smart. But she didn't "invite" the losing Iowa team.


"But, you know, I’m going to tell Joe I think Iowa should come, too, because they played such a good game."

She's going to "tell" Joe that she "thinks" Iowa should come. Not sure that qualifies as an invite. Either way, pretty tone deaf.

I would guess Iowa will not be invited.

[GoMuskies]

Is Iowa politically important or something?

[Masterofreality]

Is Iowa politically important or something?

Well, they used to be before the Democrats, to protect Incompetent Joe, reordered the primaries to make South Carolina first.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2022/12/02/dnc-democrats-primary-calendar-south-carolina-first-over-iowa-caucus/69695090007/

[GoMuskies]

Chicago needs Lori Lightfoot back.

[Masterofreality]

Chicago needs Lori Lightfoot back.

My daughter, son in law & 3 grandkids live there-in the city.
Even in their well-to-do neighborhood there are numerous break-ins and carjackings. Their kids all go to Catholic school, thankfully.
This election will make it worse. But you get what you vote for.
Chicago will become the next Portland. If you go to a DePaul game, park in the protected adjacent Garage to Wintrust.

[bobbiemcgee]

So you would be in favor of defunding the DOJ and FBI like your candidate. Seems like that would only make things worse. And how stupid do you have to be to give money for legal fees to a billionaire. Dumb.

[paulxu]

Banana Republic, Tin-pot dictator, USA edition:


Inside the Trump White House after the 2020 election, the push to seize voting machines eventually led to executive orders being drafted in mid-December of that year, directing the military and DHS to carry out the task despite Wolf and Cuccinelli telling Trump and his allies their agency did not have the authority to do so.

Those orders, which cited debunked claims about voting system irregularities in Michigan and Georgia, were presented to Trump by his former national security adviser Michael Flynn and then-lawyer Sidney Powell during a now-infamous Oval Office meeting on December 18.


(This is why I feared for our country. And still do since he's the front runner for the nomination)

[Strange Brew]

Banana Republic, Tin-pot dictator, USA edition:



(This is why I feared for our country. And still do since he's the front runner for the nomination)

Source?

[Smails]

Banana Republic, Tin-pot dictator, USA edition:



(This is why I feared for our country. And still do since he's the front runner for the nomination)

Where can I find these Executive Orders? EO's are public record

[Masterofreality]

Banana Republic, Tin-pot dictator, USA edition:



(This is why I feared for our country. And still do since he's the front runner for the nomination)

Meanwhile Paul ignores the complete Dumpster Fire that the US is currently engulfed in.
The TDS never ends.

[bjf123]

Even some of the talking heads on CNN, none of whom like Trump, were saying the charges in the indictment seemed to be a big stretch by the DA, potentially making it easier to have them dismissed.


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[paulxu]

Source?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/04/05/trump-seize-voting-machines-cohen-ip-vpx.cnn

[paulxu]

Where can I find these Executive Orders? EO's are public record

They're probably not a public record unless formally signed and implemented.
Here is the "draft" proposed to seize the machines:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

[Masterofreality]

They're probably not a public record unless formally signed and implemented.
Here is the "draft" proposed to seize the machines:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/21/read-the-never-issued-trump-order-that-would-have-seized-voting-machines-527572

I’ll take “Things that were never actually Implemented” for $1000, Alex.
Would be hilarious to see some of the EO’s that Dementia Joe was going to issue before they were “Walked Back”.

[Strange Brew]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/04/05/trump-seize-voting-machines-cohen-ip-vpx.cnn

Ok, I won’t bother then.

[GoMuskies]

I don't find it surprising that idiot Rebekah Jones is claiming that Governor Ron DeSantis ordered her idiot son to be arrested as retaliation against her. I find it surprising (or frightening is probably the right word) that so many people believe her.

[noteggs]

Even some of the talking heads on CNN, none of whom like Trump, were saying the charges in the indictment seemed to be a big stretch by the DA, potentially making it easier to have them dismissed.


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The cynical side of me thinks CNN had the article in a queue in case the Bragg charge fell flat.

Thud! And here we are recycling old news stories

Still confused what made the charges move from misdemeanor to felony? Didn’t exactly get a good clarification from Bragg.

[noteggs]

I don't find it surprising that idiot Rebekah Jones is claiming that Governor Ron DeSantis ordered her idiot son to be arrested as retaliation against her. I find it surprising (or frightening is probably the right word) that so many people believe her.

What’s weird to is police supposedly did the right thing. Hear something, see something, and then DO something to avoid a potential mass shooting.

[paulxu]

Yes, I remain concerned about the country and the impact the former president has on our politics.

Significant Bush accomplishments: Unfunded war, tax cut mostly to help wealthy
Significant Obama accomplishments: Health Care for millions, managing us out of great recession
Significant Trump accomplishments: Impeached twice, childishly didn't attend inauguration, incited Capitol riot/insurrection, tax cut mostly to help wealthy, seriously considered using military to block peaceful transfer of power
Significant Biden accomplishments: Actual infrastructure bill to help ALL Americans, managing us out of pandemic, restoring civility to our political discourse (not screaming like a little child on twitter every hour)

As for TDS....this apparently is TDS: Trump lead for the Republican nomination is 53% to 31% for DeSantis.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/

That is true derangement.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yes, I remain concerned about the country and the impact the former president has on our politics.

Significant Bush accomplishments: Unfunded war, tax cut mostly to help wealthy
Significant Obama accomplishments: Health Care for millions, managing us out of great recession
Significant Trump accomplishments: Impeached twice, childishly didn't attend inauguration, incited Capitol riot/insurrection, tax cut mostly to help wealthy, seriously considered using military to block peaceful transfer of power
Significant Biden accomplishments: Actual infrastructure bill to help ALL Americans, managing us out of pandemic, restoring civility to our political discourse (not screaming like a little child on twitter every hour)

As for TDS....this apparently is TDS: Trump lead for the Republican nomination is 53% to 31% for DeSantis.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/

That is true derangement.
Significant Obama accomplishments: failing to pass the health care reform he ran on despite majorities in the House and Senate, only to get the Obama care passes that has proven to do nothing to solve the health care cost problem.
Significant Trump accomplishments: found not guilty of politically-motivated impeachments twice while leading the country to 4 years of peace and incredible prosperity.

The derangement is all yours. YouÂ’d realize that if you werenÂ’t deranged.

[X-band '01]

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

[paulxu]

Significant Obama accomplishments: failing to pass the health care reform he ran on despite majorities in the House and Senate, only to get the Obama care passes that has proven to do nothing to solve the health care cost problem.
Significant Trump accomplishments: found not guilty of politically-motivated impeachments twice while leading the country to 4 years of peace and incredible prosperity.

The derangement is all yours. YouÂ’d realize that if you werenÂ’t deranged.

The realities of our governmental process explain what you note.
Obama got what he could with a filibuster always looming to stop any progress at all. Millions now have health care that never did.

A majority of the Senate voted to convict Trump on his impeachment charges, including Republicans, but not the 2/3rds required.

What a great comparison of epitaphs:
1 - I helped get health care for millions of Americans who never had it before
2 - A majority of senators voted to convict me on the charges of impeachment....but I escaped because they needed 2/3rds.

Which one would you want?

[Xville]

The realities of our governmental process explain what you note.
Obama got what he could with a filibuster always looming to stop any progress at all. Millions now have health care that never did.

A majority of the Senate voted to convict Trump on his impeachment charges, including Republicans, but not the 2/3rds required.

What a great comparison of epitaphs:
1 - I helped get health care for millions of Americans who never had it before
2 - A majority of senators voted to convict me on the charges of impeachment....but I escaped because they needed 2/3rds.

Which one would you want?

I work in the health care field. Frankly, you’re an idiot if you think Obamacare is an accomplishment, and blaming the other side for what it is, is equally just as stupid.

All it did was take a problem, and make it worse. Just like government always seems to do.

[paulxu]

That's interesting. You work in health care, yet don't think it's important that millions more Americans are now insured.
I must be an idiot...I think that's a BIG accomplishment.
I blame the other side for the limitations they imposed on the final ACA, which they did.

Here's some facts about the ACA impact:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/03/18/fact-sheet-celebrating-affordable-care-act.html

[Xville]

That's interesting. You work in health care, yet don't think it's important that millions more Americans are now insured.
I must be an idiot...I think that's a BIG accomplishment.
I blame the other side for the limitations they imposed on the final ACA, which they did.

Here's some facts about the ACA impact:

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2022/03/18/fact-sheet-celebrating-affordable-care-act.html

I’m very well aware of what Obamacare did, thanks. I don’t need a government website to tell me. All it did was make healthcare more expensive, more unregulated, and even less time with your primary care physician and we are all paying for it in numerous ways. Sorry but you have very little knowledge of how much the average hard working citizen is getting bent over because of what your precious bill did And thinking that millions more being insured on its face is a good thing shows that ignorance.

Our healthcare system is seriously fucked up, and Obama made it worse. And no, government getting more control of it is not the answer either

[paulxu]

Good grief. If you don't think millions more getting health care is a good thing, I don't have an answer for that.
You would prefer these people DIDN'T get health care? Are you sure you're in the field?

The ACA didn't give the govnt control of the newly insured. They went to private carriers.

[Masterofreality]

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

So, when a transgender crazy does the shooting of Children in a school,we blame the gun and the Tennessee legislature? Blame the object rather than the perpetrator- like the car was blamed in the Waukesha parade murders. But when a right wing crazy does it, it is due to him & his ideology?? Can’t have it both ways. Go fuck that sideways.
By the way. The Nashville shooter was pretty effective with rifles and handguns. Not an AR-15 or “assault weapon” to be found.
Hey, I’m not a gun honk, but that is 100% disingenuous.

And Edit:
If your point on that rant was that the Tennessee legislature kicked out 2 collegues over a protest over guns, here’s a FACT CHECK: The legislators were kicked out for taking over the well of the legislature, using a bull horn, and refusing to leave when ordered by the sergeant at arms. The one not kicked out apologized for her actions. The two kicked out did not apologize. They were out of order.

[Xville]

Good grief. If you don't think millions more getting health care is a good thing, I don't have an answer for that.
You would prefer these people DIDN'T get health care? Are you sure you're in the field?

The ACA didn't give the govnt control of the newly insured. They went to private carriers.

Do you have any clue where or how the majority of those few million people got health insurance? Any clue what that has meant for the majority of working America?

Do you have any clue what the price of healthcare has done since aca was enacted? Any idea why?

I’m very well aware of your last sentence, I was speaking to what your political ideology believes would be best. Although, the majority of those newly insured were heavily subsidized by our government, that’s a clue to the answer of my first question.

[X-band '01]

So, when a transgender crazy does the shooting of Children in a school,we blame the gun and the Tennessee legislature? Blame the object rather than the perpetrator- like the car was blamed in the Waukesha parade murders. But when a right wing crazy does it, it is due to him & his ideology?? Can’t have it both ways. Go fuck that sideways.
By the way. The Nashville shooter was pretty effective with rifles and handguns. Not an AR-15 or “assault weapon” to be found.
Hey, I’m not a gun honk, but that is 100% disingenuous.

And Edit:
If your point on that rant was that the Tennessee legislature kicked out 2 collegues over a protest over guns, here’s a FACT CHECK: The legislators were kicked out for taking over the well of the legislature, using a bull horn, and refusing to leave when ordered by the sergeant at arms. The one not kicked out apologized for her actions. The two kicked out did not apologize. They were out of order.

Here's the thing. There have been eight people kicked out of the Tennessee legislature. 6 were ex-Confederates who did not want to recognize the citizenship of former slaves. One had accepted bribes. Another had been kicked out for sexually-related crimes. Not quite the same thing here. You can always censure or remove committee assignments here.

Now the GOP has the optics of kicking out a couple of people who happen to be a) Gen-Z and b) Black. (There was another representative who happened to be white, female and over 60 who narrowly missed expulsion by a single vote.) What happens if in, say Illinois or California, some supermajority Democrats decide that a Republican or two fractured a rule or two and decide to kick them out of their state legislature in retaliation? It's a terrible precedent and was absolutely unnecessary. Voters in Tennessee and other states will punish the GOP for stunts like this.

[xuphan]

Here's the thing. There have been eight people kicked out of the Tennessee legislature. 6 were ex-Confederates who did not want to recognize the citizenship of former slaves. One had accepted bribes. Another had been kicked out for sexually-related crimes. Not quite the same thing here. You can always censure or remove committee assignments here.

Now the GOP has the optics of kicking out a couple of people who happen to be a) Gen-Z and b) Black. (There was another representative who happened to be white, female and over 60 who narrowly missed expulsion by a single vote.) What happens if in, say Illinois or California, some supermajority Democrats decide that a Republican or two fractured a rule or two and decide to kick them out of their state legislature in retaliation? It's a terrible precedent and was absolutely unnecessary. Voters in Tennessee and other states will punish the GOP for stunts like this.

Is anyone really surprised by this though? The Republican and Democratic Super Unions have allowed this to get to this point. Never taking accountability and always blaming the other side. Seems like we are the divided states of America instead of the United States of America. You have to wonder how this drama will end. Can these politicians start putting their constituents and country ahead of their political parties or are we heading towards another civil war? Scary times in this country.

[STL_XUfan]

So, when a transgender crazy does the shooting of Children in a school,we blame the gun and the Tennessee legislature? Blame the object rather than the perpetrator- like the car was blamed in the Waukesha parade murders. But when a right wing crazy does it, it is due to him & his ideology?? Can’t have it both ways. Go fuck that sideways.
By the way. The Nashville shooter was pretty effective with rifles and handguns. Not an AR-15 or “assault weapon” to be found.
Hey, I’m not a gun honk, but that is 100%

Pretty sure in everyone of these shootings people have called for more gun control, as the easy access to fire arms seems to be the one constant.

Also, an AR-15 was used in this shooting along with 2 9mm with one modified with an extended 16 inch barrel. All of the guns were purchased and owned legally.

Edit: Found an updated source. Guns have been more properly identified as a Keltc Sub2000 (a foldable semi automatic rifle) and a Grunt .300 Blackout Rifle (which is similar to an AR 15).

https://media.keltecweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/s2k-right-1-1.jpg
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-czr722efiw/images/stencil/original/products/1156/1650/LSA-300GRY15__33346.1678995618.jpg?c=2

[paulxu]

Perhaps this is the reason one of the protesting legislators survived the expulsion vote:


After the vote that allowed Johnson to remain in the House, reporters asked why she thought she was spared after Jones was ousted. Johnson, who is White, responded: “It might have to do with the color of our skin.” Jones is of Black and Filipino descent, and Pearson is Black.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/06/tennessee-democrats-expulsion/


"I refuse to apologize," Rep. Gloria Johnson, D-Knoxville, told NewsChannel 5 Investigates. "I want to be heard. I want to defend myself. I want to tell the people of this state what happened and why."

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/facing-expulsion-from-tennessee-house-for-gun-protest-democrat-tells-republicans-bring-it-on

[Masterofreality]

Here's the thing. There have been eight people kicked out of the Tennessee legislature. 6 were ex-Confederates who did not want to recognize the citizenship of former slaves. One had accepted bribes. Another had been kicked out for sexually-related crimes. Not quite the same thing here. You can always censure or remove committee assignments here.

Now the GOP has the optics of kicking out a couple of people who happen to be a) Gen-Z and b) Black. (There was another representative who happened to be white, female and over 60 who narrowly missed expulsion by a single vote.) What happens if in, say Illinois or California, some supermajority Democrats decide that a Republican or two fractured a rule or two and decide to kick them out of their state legislature in retaliation? It's a terrible precedent and was absolutely unnecessary. Voters in Tennessee and other states will punish the GOP for stunts like this.

Stunt? Those legislators fomented a true INSURRECTION!!. You know, worse than that “some” here can’t stop wailing about. The woman you mentioned actually apologized and that is why she was allowed to stay.
Band, those people deserved to be kicked out. Just go back to the source of this whole thing, if you can.

[Masterofreality]

Perhaps this is the reason one of the protesting legislators survived the expulsion vote:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/04/06/tennessee-democrats-expulsion/



https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/revealed/facing-expulsion-from-tennessee-house-for-gun-protest-democrat-tells-republicans-bring-it-on

“Perhaps”. Paul throwing the racial Molotov Cocktail card in the mix with zero proof or evidence. When in doubt pull that card out right leftist?
There are 15 African Americans in the Tennessee legislature, 12 of them in the Tenn House. 2 got kicked out for this “Out of Order” “Insurrection”. Per CNN, Paul’s favorite news source:

“ The three lawmakers led a protest on the House floor last Thursday without being recognized, CNN affiliate WSMV reported, and used a bullhorn as demonstrators at the Capitol called on lawmakers to take action after the shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville left three 9-year-olds and three adults dead. Each lawmaker was removed from their committee assignments following last week’s demonstrations.

Each of the resolutions said the lawmakers “did knowingly and intentionally bring disorder and dishonor to the House of Representatives,” saying they “began shouting without recognition” and “proceeded to disrupt the proceedings of the House Representatives” for just under an hour Thursday morning.”

Sounds like a fireable offense to me.

[xuphan]

“Perhaps”. Paul throwing the racial Molotov Cocktail card in the mix with zero proof or evidence. When in doubt pull that card out right leftist?
There are 15 African Americans in the Tennessee legislature, 12 of them in the Tenn House. 2 got kicked out for this “Out of Order” “Insurrection”. Per CNN, Paul’s favorite news source:

“ The three lawmakers led a protest on the House floor last Thursday without being recognized, CNN affiliate WSMV reported, and used a bullhorn as demonstrators at the Capitol called on lawmakers to take action after the shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville left three 9-year-olds and three adults dead. Each lawmaker was removed from their committee assignments following last week’s demonstrations.

Each of the resolutions said the lawmakers “did knowingly and intentionally bring disorder and dishonor to the House of Representatives,” saying they “began shouting without recognition” and “proceeded to disrupt the proceedings of the House Representatives” for just under an hour Thursday morning.”

Sounds like a fireable offense to me.

Just for fun for the people who post on this page, who would you take vote for to be the next president out of these candidates who will legally do things the right way?

Donald Trump

Joe Biden

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

George Santos

Marjorie Taylor Greene

Hillary Clinton

[Masterofreality]

Just for fun for the people who post on this page, who would you take vote for to be the next president out of these candidates?

Donald Trump

Joe Biden

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

George Santos

Marjorie Taylor Greene

Hillary Clinton

None of the above.

[xuphan]

None of the above.

You have to pick one buddy. Best options both the Democrats and Republicans can come up with. Who you taking to lead this country forward?

[paulxu]

“Perhaps”. Paul throwing the racial Molotov Cocktail card in the mix with zero proof or evidence. When in doubt pull that card out right leftist?
There are 15 African Americans in the Tennessee legislature, 12 of them in the Tenn House. 2 got kicked out for this “Out of Order” “Insurrection”. Per CNN, Paul’s favorite news source:

Typical; I made no comment at all about whether they should/should not be kicked out. I linked to a quote by the one who wasn't kicked out, who indicated she thought she was not kicked out because of skin color. That's not "Paul" saying that. It's the one who wasn't kicked out.

You suggested she wasn't kicked out because she "apologized", inferring the others might have stayed if they had apologized.
I linked to her direct quote saying she would NOT apologize.
So far haven't been able to find where she did, in fact, apologize.

Perhaps it was a "fireable" offense. It turned out that way for 2. The third indicated it was because of skin color that she was saved. Not "Paul."

[Masterofreality]

Typical; I made no comment at all about whether they should/should not be kicked out. I linked to a quote by the one who wasn't kicked out, who indicated she thought she was not kicked out because of skin color. That's not "Paul" saying that. It's the one who wasn't kicked out.

You suggested she wasn't kicked out because she "apologized", inferring the others might have stayed if they had apologized.
I linked to her direct quote saying she would NOT apologize.
So far haven't been able to find where she did, in fact, apologize.

Perhaps it was a "fireable" offense. It turned out that way for 2. The third indicated it was because of skin color that she was saved. Not "Paul."

But….you repeated it as if it was fact and true with zero evidence.
Pretty Conspiratorial to me. Just throw that card out there leftys unless it doesn’t fit your narrative- like Waukesha.

[paulxu]

But….you repeated it as if it was fact and true with zero evidence.
Pretty Conspiratorial to me. Just throw that card out there leftys unless it doesn’t fit your narrative- like Waukesha.

Sort of like this?


The woman you mentioned actually apologized and that is why she was allowed to stay.

One wonders why she herself thought it might be her skin color.

[bjf123]

I haven’t seen the vote counts for expelling or keeping the “Tennessee Three”, but did see that the white woman missed expulsion by one vote. Maybe ask the people who voted No for her and Yes for the others for an explanation? I’m assuming the votes are public record.


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[noteggs]

I haven’t seen the vote counts for expelling or keeping the “Tennessee Three”, but did see that the white woman missed expulsion by one vote. Maybe ask the people who voted No for her and Yes for the others for an explanation? I’m assuming the votes are public record.


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Take it for what it’s worth, I heard one person flipped their vote.

[Strange Brew]

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

Define assault weapon please.

[STL_XUfan]

Define assault weapon please.
Well for it to be an AR-15 it has to come from the Armalite region of the United States, otherwise it is just a Sparkling Boom Boom Stick.

[Strange Brew]

Well for it to be an AR-15 it has to come from the Armalite region of the United States, otherwise it is just a Sparkling Boom Boom Stick.

Armalite is the manufacturer. “AR” has nothing to do with how it operates. It’s not an M16, AK47, a Thompson, BAR (Browning AUTOMATIC rifle), etc, etc. I’m not into guns and I know this…

[xuphan]

Congratulations to the Tennessee GOP, you have now decided that assault weapons and gunowners are more important than children.

Go fuck yourselves sideways.

Did you expect them to pick guns over kids? Have you not seen over the past decade how many times they have picked guns over kids. Why would the GOP go against one of their biggest donors and influencers in the NRA? They would be committing career suicide in politics if they did that.

[Strange Brew]

Did you expect them to pick guns over kids? Have you not seen over the past decade how many times they have picked guns over kids. Why would the GOP go against one of their biggest donors and influencers in the NRA? They would be committing career suicide in politics if they did that..

Haha, why is this the choice? False premise.

[Masterofreality]

Sort of like this?



One wonders why she herself thought it might be her skin color.

She did apologize. Sorry you don’t apparently read something other than your own approved Press like WaPo or NyT.

In the total context of this, just like that, insurrection is cool again, apparently.
Joe Biden is telling you violence and lawbreaking are perfectly acceptable tactics to overturn the legislative process... if you have the right Party card in your pocket.
Rep Justin Jones was expelled because he took over House proceedings against House rules and then used a bullhorn to lead protestors in the gallery in a disruptive chant, which forced the House to shut down.

[xuphan]

.

Haha, why is this the choice? False premise.

It isn’t a choice for them.

[paulxu]

She did apologize. Sorry you don’t apparently read something other than your own approved Press like WaPo or NyT.


Link?

I have no problem with them being punished for violating the House rules of their chamber.
Would seem that the punishment was a little severe, but at the very least would be equal, since all 3 did the same thing...shut down the business of the House.
She thinks it was because of her skin color that perhaps she wasn't ousted.

[X-band '01]

I haven’t seen the vote counts for expelling or keeping the “Tennessee Three”, but did see that the white woman missed expulsion by one vote. Maybe ask the people who voted No for her and Yes for the others for an explanation? I’m assuming the votes are public record.


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The votes were:

Justin Jones (Nashville) - 72-25
Justin Pearson (Memphis) - 69-26
Gloria Johnson (Knoxville) - 65-30

Guessing 70% of the vote was the threshold for expulsion here.

[Strange Brew]

It isn’t a choice for them.

Which side of the equation?

[paulxu]

Pop on the kids in Nashville:

https://youtu.be/KDKMiecu2XY

[Xville]

Shooting today with at least five dead at a bank in downtown Louisville by a 25 year old with mental health problems. Good thing he could get a gun! The argument for less gun regulation in this country is fucking insane.

[xuphan]

Shooting today with at least five dead at a bank in downtown Louisville by a 25 year old with mental health problems. Good thing he could get a gun! The argument for less gun regulation in this country is fucking insane.

Maybe you could post a comprehensive list of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the past 20-30 years to show that this is an issue that needs to be addressed in Washington. Personally, I don’t think things will change until it is a major event that many 500+ lose their lives from. Even then, the NRA pull will probably be too much congress to act.

[xuphan]

Pop on the kids in Nashville:

https://youtu.be/KDKMiecu2XY

Maybe Pop could set up a meeting with the NRA to address this issue? Ranting about it to the media has been done before and is pointless.

[Xville]

Just found out that one of them killed was a Xavier alum ‘05 Josh Barrick. Can we stop this shit now?

[GoMuskies]

A professional shooting up a room full of executives is a new one. Not loving how often we're having new categories of mass shooters these days.

[Xville]

Maybe you could post a comprehensive list of all the mass shootings that have occurred in the past 20-30 years to show that this is an issue that needs to be addressed in Washington. Personally, I don’t think things will change until it is a major event that many 500+ lose their lives from. Even then, the NRA pull will probably be too much congress to act.

Not just the guns that are the problem, but it’s a big problem. Gun regulation is certainly one and needs to be done immediately. And no not just semi automatic or the typical bs we hear every time.

The pussification of America and people not accepting and dealing with bad things in their lives properly is another problem—-this guy apparently just lost his job and decided to deal with it by killing former co workers

Third, mental health needs to be where America spends their money. This shit needs to stop. I mean seriously wtf

[GoMuskies]

Just found out that one of them killed was a Xavier alum ‘05 Josh Barrick. Can we stop this shit now?

Did you see a list of victims somewhere? Decent chance I've got some sort of connection to one or more of them.

[Xville]

Did you see a list of victims somewhere? Decent chance I've got some sort of connection to one or more of them.

Excuse the spellings because I’m unsure of a couple but:

Josh Barrick
Tommy Elliott
Juliana farmer

I’m pretty sure Josh also was a st x grad as one of my buddies here knew him from high school. Married with two young kids

Are the ones I know of. Names should be released in next few minutes

[GoMuskies]

Excuse the spellings because I’m unsure of a couple but:

Josh Barrick
Tommy Elliott
Juliana farmer

I’m pretty sure Josh also was a st x grad as one of my buddies here knew him from high school. Married with two young kids

Are the ones I know of. Names should be released in next few minutes

Josh was a Trinity grad according to LinkedIn.

For better or worse, the others seem to be old enough to fall outside my potential network.

[Xville]

Josh was a Trinity grad according to LinkedIn.

For better or worse, the others seem to be old enough to fall outside my potential network.

Jim tutt was the other.

[xuphan]

Not just the guns that are the problem, but it’s a big problem. Gun regulation is certainly one and needs to be done immediately. And no not just semi automatic or the typical bs we hear every time.

The pussification of America and people not accepting and dealing with bad things in their lives properly is another problem—-this guy apparently just lost his job and decided to deal with it by killing former co workers

Third, mental health needs to be where America spends their money. This shit needs to stop. I mean seriously wtf

I totally agree but these politicians couldn’t get anything done with a pile of dead children in a Connecticut school. If dead children does not bother them, not much will. Mental Health is only going to get worse in this country and the combination of mentally ill people and guns is a scary thought.

[Strange Brew]

Not just the guns that are the problem, but it’s a big problem. Gun regulation is certainly one and needs to be done immediately. And no not just semi automatic or the typical bs we hear every time.

The pussification of America and people not accepting and dealing with bad things in their lives properly is another problem—-this guy apparently just lost his job and decided to deal with it by killing former co workers

Third, mental health needs to be where America spends their money. This shit needs to stop. I mean seriously wtf

Propose an Amendment to repeal the 2nd. Otherwise this is an emotional conversation and one that needs to happen.

Edit: you do realize a revolver is a semi-automatic pistol…

[Xville]

Propose an Amendment to repeal the 2nd. Otherwise this is an emotional conversation and one that needs to happen.

Edit: you do realize a revolver is a semi-automatic pistolÂ…

As I implied, I donÂ’t give a crap about the type of gun. It doesnÂ’t matter.

IÂ’ll tell you one thingÂ… our founding fathers are turning over in their graves at how stupid we have all become. We allow our repugnant politicians to bow down to stupid lobbyist groups like the nra for the almighty dollar. There is zero excuse for how easy it is to obtain a gun, zero excuse for the pussification of America that thinks protecting kids from failing is a good thing, and zero excuse for how we have dealt with mental health the last 30 or so years.

I’m effing pissed, and our “leaders” don’t give a shit

[Strange Brew]

As I implied, I donÂ’t give a crap about the type of gun. It doesnÂ’t matter.

IÂ’ll tell you one thingÂ… our founding fathers are turning over in their graves at how stupid we have all become. We allow our repugnant politicians to bow down to stupid lobbyist groups like the nra for the almighty dollar. There is zero excuse for how easy it is to obtain a gun, zero excuse for the pussification of America that thinks protecting kids from failing is a good thing, and zero excuse for how we have dealt with mental health the last 30 or so years.

I’m effing pissed, and our “leaders” don’t give a shit

Calm down and I assume this hit close to home for you.

The NRA isn’t the problem. People looking to Gov’t to solve them is.

[Xville]

Calm down and I assume this hit close to home for you.

The NRA isn’t the problem. People looking to Gov’t to solve them is.

Yes, the nra is part of the problem. Considering govt is the one that can create and pass laws, they need to be part of the solution.

[xuwillie]

Really whY is everyone surprised here? Everyone said mental health issues would dramatically increase due to the stupid covid lockdowns. Now we expect the govt to fix the problem they created? Good luck with that

[STL_XUfan]

Really whY is everyone surprised here? Everyone said mental health issues would dramatically increase due to the stupid covid lockdowns. Now we expect the govt to fix the problem they created? Good luck with that
Sure, because this wasn't a problem before Covid. The one constant in all of these incidents is easy legal access to weapons designed to carry out these mass shootings.

[Masterofreality]

Really whY is everyone surprised here? Everyone said mental health issues would dramatically increase due to the stupid covid lockdowns. Now we expect the govt to fix the problem they created? Good luck with that

Crazy that the Democrats had total control of the Senate, House and Presidency for a full two years but all they did was bloviate about guns and it was never a priority to legislate. They prioritized hearings about a deposed President and spending trillions on “climate change” trash.
Why is that???

[Xville]

Ah and here comes the finger pointing. Precisely why nothing ever gets done. Well done guys, you’re a direct reflection of our current repugnant political climate

[paulxu]

Crazy that the Democrats had total control of the Senate, House and Presidency for a full two years but all they did was bloviate about guns and it was never a priority to legislate. They prioritized hearings about a deposed President and spending trillions on “climate change” trash.
Why is that???

Senate filibuster rules prevented a House bill from becoming law.

[GoMuskies]

Ah and here comes the finger pointing. Precisely why nothing ever gets done. Well done guys, you’re a direct reflection of our current repugnant political climate

I hear you, but don't be part of the "Do Something" caucus. Doing "something" ends up with the Patriot Act. I'd love to have someone lay out a rational plan that might actually make a difference.

[Xville]

I hear you, but don't be part of the "Do Something" caucus. Doing "something" ends up with the Patriot Act. I'd love to have someone lay out a rational plan that might actually make a difference.

It seems pretty simple to me to at least start:

—-universal background checks, red flag laws, extremely long waiting periods, gun trafficking laws . Basically getting a gun should be one of the hardest things in life to get.

—— mental health facilities and properly fund them from the people that work there, to the facilities themselves etc.

——regulate big pharma… stop dosing our kids with everything under the sun and masking issues.

Not government but a cultural issue—- parents stop raising their kids with participation trophies and helicopter parenting. Allow your children to experience disappointment, failures and teach them to deal with those challenges.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not sure I disagree with any of that....but other than maybe #1 and #3 I don't think that's "simple". I mean, changing a culture is pretty damned difficult. Particularly for middle-aged whities.

[Xville]

I'm not sure I disagree with any of that....but other than maybe #1 and #3 I don't think that's "simple". I mean, changing a culture is pretty damned difficult. Particularly for middle-aged whities.

Oh I agree with the cultural thing. #1 and 3 to me are no brainers yet nothing ever gets done.

I mean ffs kentucky is a conceal no permit, no waiting period and I’m pretty sure limited or no bkgd state. Insane.

I think 2 is a simple solution as well to be honest. Money just needs to be diverted from pet projects of politicians that don’t accomplish anything. I’m sure there is plenty of that.

[Masterofreality]

Senate filibuster rules prevented a House bill from becoming law.

But the BiPartisan “Safer Communities Act” did pass the Senate 65-35 with 15 evil Republicans voting for it.
It addresses red flags, mental health assistance and additional background checks.
Seems like common sense Laws that are Constitutional can pass. Partisan unconstitutional bills can’t pass.
Which side points more fingers?

[paulxu]

In 1994, 6 "evil" Republicans voted for the law commonly known as the Assault Weapons Ban.
The vote was 61-38. So, just one vote prevented it from being filibustered.
These people were for it:


In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns." They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such weapons.

If it wasn't for the NRA and other groups and their $ support, perhaps Republicans wouldn't have blocked (even up to today) this law from being in place again.
There's no question we need work on all fronts; mental health is very important, but we use it as an excuse for every mass shooting to deflect from our obsessive gun culture. We are the only country in the world, by a large margin, where the number of guns owned by civilians outnumbers the number of civilians.

[Strange Brew]

In 1994, 6 "evil" Republicans voted for the law commonly known as the Assault Weapons Ban.
The vote was 61-38. So, just one vote prevented it from being filibustered.
These people were for it:


If it wasn't for the NRA and other groups and their $ support, perhaps Republicans wouldn't have blocked (even up to today) this law from being in place again.
There's no question we need work on all fronts; mental health is very important, but we use it as an excuse for every mass shooting to deflect from our obsessive gun culture. We are the only country in the world, by a large margin, where the number of guns owned by civilians outnumbers the number of civilians.

Obsessive gun culture?

Please define the difference between a semi-auto rifle and a semi-auto “assault rifle”. Seems we only talk about the weapon when the perp doesn’t fit the narrative of the day.

Edit: Maybe if you stopped obsessing about taking them away people would not feel the need to have them?

[Masterofreality]

Obsessive gun culture?

Please define the difference between a semi-auto rifle and a semi-auto “assault rifle”. Seems we only talk about the weapon when the perp doesn’t fit the narrative of the day.

Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

[Strange Brew]

Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

You’re preaching to the choir here. :)

[paulxu]

Well, I'll stand with Gerald Ford and Saint Ronnie.

[Strange Brew]

Well, I'll stand with Gerald Ford and Saint Ronnie.

Only when it accomplishes your “ends”. Whatever “means” necessary I guess Paul, right?

[paulxu]

77% of the country were on the side of Reagan and Ford and Carter in wanting that law passed.

Absent the filibuster, the congress would even today reflect the will of the voters, instead of the lobbyists.

[Xville]

Leftist like in Louisville & Nashville- “It’s Guns!!” (With total ignoring of the ideology even when against kids)
Rightist does it-it’s his nutty ideology(oh with guns always thrown in)
By the way. The shooting in Las Vegas from a hotel room into a crowd of country music fans (read mostly MAGA supporters) has been driven out of the news with no investigation into that shooter’s motivations, but “Perhaps” as Paul would say, there was a angry leftist shooter there???

Look, I have no guns and want none. I wish all guns were destroyed, but that is unrealistic and dangerous. However, I understand the “protection” aspect people espouse-especially when they are in less than desirable neighborhoods when liberal city prosecutors refuse to lock up violent criminals.
I also don’t remember a recent gun crime perped by an NRA member. Please share if you have one.

Man I’d love for you to share what ideology is out there that says killing kids and killing co-workers is the way to go. You sure do a lot of finger pointing with zero solutions. All you do on here is bitch about the other side constantly. You’re a strong representative of the problem.

Btw I have read several stories about the Vegas shooter in recent weeks. Motive is that he was pissed off at the casinos and went crazy and decided to start shooting people. I guess though you’d rather try to find something that isn’t there though to further whatever fucked up narrativr you’re trying to create.

[bjf123]

Sure, because this wasn't a problem before Covid. The one constant in all of these incidents is easy legal access to weapons designed to carry out these mass shootings.

One other constant is these people all have mental issues. Have their been any mass shooters where you can say the shooter has no mental issues at all?


I'm not sure I disagree with any of that....but other than maybe #1 and #3 I don't think that's "simple". I mean, changing a culture is pretty damned difficult. Particularly for middle-aged whities.

Particularly for middle-ages whites? You don’t think there’s a cultural issue with all the gang banger shootings? How many of those people, many of whom are still kids, come from a culture where it’s just expected you’ll have a gun (not obtained legally btw). Where are their parents?


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[GoMuskies]

Particularly for middle-ages whites?

Yes, it's particularly difficult for middle aged white dudes (like I am and assume XVille is) to influence culture.

[noteggs]

I think 2 is a simple solution as well to be honest. Money just needs to be diverted from pet projects of politicians that don’t accomplish anything. I’m sure there is plenty of that.

I agree with Go on number 2 and the mental stuff being difficult. Yes I agree with you on funding and resources because this vastly underfunded. Where it becomes extremely difficult is with the compliance. I’m sure with you being in the medical field are well aware of these challenges.

As to your last point on pharma, yes they deserve some of the blame without a doubt. But it’s a whole medical community problem. Like you appropriately pointed out last week, time spent with physicians really sucks these days. So more often than not, the pill is normally prescribed by the doctor to keep things rolling. Hope the new resources you proposed would eliminate some of this.

[GoMuskies]

If you weren't a joke before you get into politics, politics will make you one. This Tennessee clown. Hilarious.

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1645830219024957443?s=20

[STL_XUfan]

One other constant is these people all have mental issues. Have their been any mass shooters where you can say the shooter has no mental issues at all?

I am going to be honest, I am not actually sure we have good data on what mass shooters had/have a (diagnosed) mental disease and which ones do/did not. I think we all just assume, rightfully so, that you are not committing a mass shooting unless you are fucked in the head (I believe that it is a clinical term).

Eddie Izzard had a good joke on this from back in 1999: "The National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, uh, people do." But I think, I think the gun helps. You know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? You'd have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that."

For the psychopaths that did have a diagnosed mental disorder, nothing stopped them from legally obtaining firearms. I think we can all agree that there should be background checks presale to avoid selling guns to mentally disturbed people and strong red flag laws to remove legally purchased guns from those people that develop serious mental disorders.

[paulxu]

If you weren't a joke before you get into politics, politics will make you one. This Tennessee clown. Hilarious.

https://twitter.com/robsmithonline/status/1645830219024957443?s=20

I don't do twitter, but why do all those accounts on your link have Chinese characters by them?

[xuwillie]

Ah and here comes the finger pointing. Precisely why nothing ever gets done. Well done guys, you’re a direct reflection of our current repugnant political climate

Not finger pointing just stating facts. Us gun deaths have hit new highs every year since 2020. Unless you had your head in the sand, most predicted a mental health issue in this country would happen due to covid lockdowns.

[Xville]

Not finger pointing just stating facts. Us gun deaths have hit new highs every year since 2020. Unless you had your head in the sand, most predicted a mental health issue in this country would happen due to covid lockdowns.

Link??? Attributing increase of gun deaths to Covid lockdowns is a bit of a stretch considering the numbers have gone up about every year for a very long time. probably a good idea to keep people away from guns and give them mental health resources instead of finger pointing

[xuwillie]

Link??? Attributing increase of gun deaths to Covid lockdowns is a bit of a stretch considering the numbers have gone up about every year for a very long time. probably a good idea to keep people away from guns and give them mental health resources instead of finger pointingUS

USAfacts.org. And no gun deaths haven't been going up drastically year to year for a very long time. How do you suggest keeping guns away from people who have normally been sane and just recently lost their minds? Background checks wouldn't catch any of that. I'm trying to say we all knew it was coming but we chose to ignore. Oh well if you consider that fingerpointing

[Xville]

US

USAfacts.org. And no gun deaths haven't been going up drastically year to year for a very long time. How do you suggest keeping guns away from people who have normally been sane and just recently lost their minds? Background checks wouldn't catch any of that. I'm trying to say we all knew it was coming but we chose to ignore. Oh well if you consider that fingerpointing

Gunviolencearchive.org you can see that gun violence has gone up just about every year since 2013, actually went down in 22.

You’re attributing one thing to the rise in gun deaths and mass shootings. Imo that’s a little ridiculous. Not saying Covid didn’t cause some mental issues, I’m sure that it did but we have had problems with gun violence way before that.

Not going to completely keep guns away from people, but I do believe there are measures we can take as a country to highly decrease the number of gun related deaths and mass shootings. The us far and away exceeds every other first world country in gun violence deaths. Why do you think that is?

[Strange Brew]

77% of the country were on the side of Reagan and Ford and Carter in wanting that law passed.

Absent the filibuster, the congress would even today reflect the will of the voters, instead of the lobbyists.

And a ban was passed and all of the gun violence ceased. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

When you go for bans you become the world’s greatest gun salesman. Also, crapping on cops and allowing riots riots didn’t make people feel any safer which equals more gun sales.

[GoMuskies]

I don't do twitter, but why do all those accounts on your link have Chinese characters by them?

???

[Xuperman]

And a ban was passed and all of the gun violence ceased. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

When you go for bans you become the world’s greatest gun salesman. Also, crapping on cops and allowing riots riots didn’t make people feel any safer which equals more gun sales.

Man,
THAT was a harsh dose of reality right there.

[Xuperman]

The worst of these shootings is obviously school shootings. And obviously, without exception, ALL of these shooters are mentally ill.

This is where progress can be made through legislation that most everyone can agree. Our schools are simply not secure enough. You have to make the necessary investment to harden them equal to government buildings, because unfortunately these nuts know that schools are very soft targets.

[Xville]

The worst of these shootings is obviously school shootings. And obviously, without exception, ALL of these shooters are mentally ill.

This is where progress can be made through legislation that most everyone can agree. Our schools are simply not secure enough. You have to make the necessary investment to harden them equal to government buildings, because unfortunately these nuts know that schools are very soft targets.

Yeah that’s the answer! Government buildings are never attacked!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48481814.amp

Or, we could just not allow someone to buy an ar-15, and maybe not allow someone who had such a history of concussions that he had to wear a helmet in high school during basketball games to be able to purchase one. I mean call me crazy but pretty sure everyone knows that concussions are known trauma events to the brain and can cause serious issues later in life.

[paulxu]

???

Fascinating. Went back to check and they're gone.
Maybe my computer is infected? Weird.

[paulxu]

And a ban was passed and all of the gun violence ceased. Oh wait, that didn’t happen.

When you go for bans you become the world’s greatest gun salesman. Also, crapping on cops and allowing riots riots didn’t make people feel any safer which equals more gun sales.

No, gun violence didn't cease. But mass shootings went down:

https://theconversation.com/did-the-assault-weapons-ban-of-1994-bring-down-mass-shootings-heres-what-the-data-tells-us-184430

You know, if Ronald Reagan thought pistols, rifles and shotguns were sufficient, it's hard to understand this fascination with keeping assault type weapons available for sale. No one came to take your guns away between 1994 and 2004. I think the country would be safer if all the firearms defined in the '94 bill were turned in, and not sold again. You'd still have millions and millions of guns left to protect the second amendment "right."

[Strange Brew]

No, gun violence didn't cease. But mass shootings went down:

https://theconversation.com/did-the-assault-weapons-ban-of-1994-bring-down-mass-shootings-heres-what-the-data-tells-us-184430

You know, if Ronald Reagan thought pistols, rifles and shotguns were sufficient, it's hard to understand this fascination with keeping assault type weapons available for sale. No one came to take your guns away between 1994 and 2004. I think the country would be safer if all the firearms defined in the '94 bill were turned in, and not sold again. You'd still have millions and millions of guns left to protect the second amendment "right."

Mass shootings went down? School shootings started during that time period (Columbine). It has nothing to do with the type of gun (except autos which are illegal with out an FFL).

Why did you put "right" in quotes? It is an actual Right in the Constitution. Healthcare "rights" are not for example.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah that’s the answer! Government buildings are never attacked!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48481814.amp

Or, we could just not allow someone to buy an ar-15, and maybe not allow someone who had such a history of concussions that he had to wear a helmet in high school during basketball games to be able to purchase one. I mean call me crazy but pretty sure everyone knows that concussions are known trauma events to the brain and can cause serious issues later in life.

Just ask the TN Statehouse...:)

Edit: History of concussions means someone loses their Civil Rights? Interesting argument Ville.

[paulxu]

Mass shootings went down? School shootings started during that time period (Columbine). It has nothing to do with the type of gun (except autos which are illegal with out an FFL).

Why did you put "right" in quotes? It is an actual Right in the Constitution. Healthcare "rights" are not for example.

Clearly you didn't read the facts in the link. Oh well.
As to "right", all of our rights have some limitations when it comes to others. Think "fire" in a crowded theater.

[Xville]

Just ask the TN Statehouse...:)

Edit: History of concussions means someone loses their Civil Rights? Interesting argument Ville.

There is ample evidence on concussions at this point to know that multiple concussions causes brain damage. Yeah I think owning a gun should be one of the toughest things to accomplish. Medical records should probably be looked at.

There are limitations on “rights” everywhere. Why should owning a gun be any different?

[Strange Brew]

Clearly you didn't read the facts in the link. Oh well.
As to "right", all of our rights have some limitations when it comes to others. Think "fire" in a crowded theater.

Before I waste my time how does the article quantify a "mass shooting"?

Technically you can however you break the law if a riot/panic happens as a result. Yelling fire isn't limited by the law however what may occur as a result is. Just like owning an gun isn't but using it illegally is. You're example is based on the consequence of irresponsibly exercising your Right not the the Right to do it.

[Strange Brew]

There is ample evidence on concussions at this point to know that multiple concussions causes brain damage. Yeah I think owning a gun should be one of the toughest things to accomplish. Medical records should probably be looked at.

There are limitations on “rights” everywhere. Why should owning a gun be any different?

Well, good thing you're not in charge then. What you just wrote is chilling and you may not realize it.

[Xville]

Well, good thing you're not in charge then. What you just wrote is chilling and you may not realize it.

What’s chilling is allowing someone to purchase an ar-15 that six days later shoot their former employees. Spare me the bullshit point you are trying to make.

[Strange Brew]

What’s chilling is allowing someone to purchase an ar-15 that six days later shoot their former employees. Spare me the bullshit point you are trying to make.

Spare me your emotional argument.

I get it. Something bad happened that is scary so SOMETHING must be done so we all feel in control. Happens all the time. Unfortunately we end up with bad laws because of this kind of thinking.

Kind of like, "never let a good crisis go to waste" :).

[94GRAD]

Spare me your emotional argument.

I get it. Something bad happened that is scary so SOMETHING must be done so we all feel in control. Happens all the time. Unfortunately we end up with bad laws because of this kind of thinking.

Kind of like, "never let a good crisis go to waste" :).

Can you give us some examples of those bad laws please. Thanks

[Strange Brew]

Can you give us some examples of those bad laws please. Thanks

The Patriot Act.
The ACA
The Internment of the Japanese (Exec Order)
Prohibition

[Masterofreality]

The Patriot Act.
The ACA
The Internment of the Japanese (Exec Order)
Prohibition

That is a pretty good list to answer!! Thumbs up!

[Xville]

Spare me your emotional argument.

I get it. Something bad happened that is scary so SOMETHING must be done so we all feel in control. Happens all the time. Unfortunately we end up with bad laws because of this kind of thinking.

Kind of like, "never let a good crisis go to waste" :).

It’s not an emotional argument. An emotional argument is holding on to your gun right like you want to fuck it.

It’s an argument for common sense legislation that has nothing to do about “control,” it is to mitigate as much risk as possible. It happens all the time.

[Strange Brew]

It’s not an emotional argument. An emotional argument is holding on to your gun right like you want to fuck it.

It’s an argument for common sense legislation that has nothing to do about “control,” it is to mitigate as much risk as possible. It happens all the time.

I do not wish to fornicate with my Rights. Not even sure how that would work. Is there a seminar?

Hmmm, "common sense" legislation....Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah in the arguments (not literally the words "common sense" but I think you get it) for the laws listed above.

Edit: Common sense legislation is code for, "I want it but I know it will never pass so I'll try to make my nonsensical argument sound smarter".

You're going to have to repeal the 2nd Amendment first to get what you're after. Then you're going to run into issues at the State level as many State Constitutions have a similar Right laid out in them.

[Xville]

I do not wish to fornicate with my Rights. Not even sure how that would work. Is there a seminar?

Hmmm, "common sense" legislation....Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah in the arguments (not literally the words "common sense" but I think you get it) for the laws listed above.

Edit: Common sense legislation is code for, "I want it but I know it will never pass so I'll try to make my nonsensical argument sound smarter".

Ok…. What are concussions, brew? What are multiple concussions to the point where in high school one wears a helmet to play basketball? What is cte?

[Strange Brew]

Ok…. What are concussions, brew? What are multiple concussions to the point where in high school one wears a helmet to play basketball? What is cte?

I'm fully aware of both. I know many people who have had them and do not have nor will develop CTE. Another non starter Ville.

You're looking for a reason why this person shouldn't have had a gun. Problem is you're not going to find one. The murderer killed people. That's the answer.

I do not want to live in your "Minority Report" society.

[paulxu]

Before I waste my time how does the article quantify a "mass shooting"?

Technically you can however you break the law if a riot/panic happens as a result. Yelling fire isn't limited by the law however what may occur as a result is. Just like owning an gun isn't but using it illegally is. You're example is based on the consequence of irresponsibly exercising your Right not the the Right to do it.

I let you link to the article if you really care how they defined mass shootings that went down between '94 and '04, and now are on the rise.
You are correct about "fire" in a theater, not prohibited but the consequences can be prosecuted.
There are however actual limitations on "free speech." Disseminating child pornography is but one example.

[Xville]

I'm fully aware of both. I know many people who have had them and do not have nor will develop CTE. Another non starter Ville.

What is a concussion, brew? What are multiple concussions to the point of having to wear a helmet in high school?

Oh, never will? You can tell the future?

[Xville]

I'm fully aware of both. I know many people who have had them and do not have nor will develop CTE. Another non starter Ville.

You're looking for a reason why this person shouldn't have had a gun. Problem is you're not going to find one. The murderer killed people. That's the answer.

I do not want to live in your "Minority Report" society.


That’s fine just wanted to point out you are fine with people having guns that clearly had permanent brain damage. Fascinating

[Xville]

What are multiple concussions to the point of having to wear a helmet in high school, brew?

[Xuperman]

Yeah that’s the answer! Government buildings are never attacked!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48481814.amp



You cite an example from 4 years ago?

You might be the only person here to scoff at the incredibly important security concerns that are not being addressed. Just like when I suggested tapping into honorably discharged military for thousands of high paying security jobs. You scoffed again, suggesting that some great number is mentally too risky.

Our schools are not secure and are extremely soft targets.

[Strange Brew]

That’s fine just wanted to point out you are fine with people having guns that clearly had permanent brain damage. Fascinating

Did you diagnose the shooter? No, you didn't. So how do you know he had permanent brain damage. You're looking for a reason for this to make you feel better and you're not going to find it.

[Xville]

Did you diagnose the shooter? No, you didn't. So how do you know he had permanent brain damage. You're looking for a reason for this to make you feel better and you're not going to find it.

Make me feel better?

it’s been proven over and over by multiple years of studies that multiple concussions causes permanent brain damage.

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that we probably find out some mental health issues in the days and weeks to come

[xuphan]

You cite an example from 4 years ago?

You might be the only person here to scoff at the incredibly important security concerns that are not being addressed. Just like when I suggested tapping into honorably discharged military for thousands of high paying security jobs. You scoffed again, suggesting that some great number is mentally too risky.

Our schools are not secure and are extremely soft targets.

Recommendations to harden schools from mental ill people with AR-15s? Remember, federal and state governments have a hard enough time currently funding schools.

[Strange Brew]

Make me feel better?

it’s been proven over and over by multiple years of studies that multiple concussions causes permanent brain damage.

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that we probably find out some mental health issues in the days and weeks to come

Maybe, however could be something other than concussions. Maybe narcissism. He clearly lacks empathy and lost his job and couldn't handle it.

[Xville]

You cite an example from 4 years ago?

You might be the only person here to scoff at the incredibly important security concerns that are not being addressed. Just like when I suggested tapping into honorably discharged military for thousands of high paying security jobs. You scoffed again, suggesting that some great number is mentally too risky.

Our schools are not secure and are extremely soft targets.

Talk to me about uvalde.

[Strange Brew]

Recommendations to harden schools from mental ill people with AR-15s? Remember, federal and state governments have a hard enough time currently funding schools.

How much do you think it will cost to run the more extensive background checks being proposed (with little specifics) and the enforcement to confiscate/police the guns in existence?